Top 5 Favorite Automatic Espresso Machines of 2021
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- Top 5 Favorite Automatic Espresso Machines of 2021
Our picks for the top 5 best automatic espresso machines of the year. You may hear them referred to as automatic coffee machines, bean-to-cup coffee machines, or super-automatic espresso machines, but they all mean the same thing - quality and convenience at the touch of a button.
Our picks our based on our own firsthand experience, customer feedback, and after talking with our sales staff and machine technicians to determine which machines give the best results in cup, are the most popular, and the most reliable long term.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:59 Best Newcomer: JURA ENA 4
4:13 Best Value: Gaggia Magenta Prestige
7:36 Most Versatile: JURA E8
10:00 Best Style & Design: Gaggia Cadorna Prestige
12:00 High Capacity: JURA GIGA 6
JURA ENA 4
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Gaggia Magenta Prestige
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Gaggia Magenta Plus
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JURA E8
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Gaggia Cadorna Prestige
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JURA GIGA 6
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In the market for these. Thanks WLL for great content!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
AJ
Great video guys!! You made purchasing decisions so easy!!!!
Thank you!
AJ
Great Video!
Hi Jody, thank you!
AJ
Please review the Jura Z10. I recently got one, I am in love. :)
Soon! We shot a video with the Z10 the last time we visited JURA, but we don't have them in stock here yet.
AJ
I bought an ENA 8 after watching a few reviews. What none of these reviews tell you is: 1-No milk temp setting (Milk is warm but not Hot) I wish there was a way to increase temp and 2-Cost of ownership (Between the Jura cleaning tablet, milk cleaning solution, descale tablets and the Smart filters that only last a week and a half) Its a little crazy. I like my machine dont get me wrong but I dont LOVE it like I should for a 3k machine.
wow, the filter needs changing every 10 days? How expensive are the filters? How much do you spend on maintenance?
@@vahinewahine916 Filters are ridiculous pricey but you wont have to descale, ever. If you dont use filter, then you have to buy descaling tablets which are also super-pricey. Just look at their pricing for accesories, its a bit much. 50$ for a plastic cup for cleaning, i mean c'ome on.
Hi Stephane, 1 1/2 weeks on the filter seems very fast. The CLEARYL Smart Mini filters are rated to 30 liters (1,000oz), and the full-sized CLEARYL Smart filters can handle more than that before needing to be replaced. How many drinks a day are you making? Is your water extra hard, or is the water hardness set incorrectly in the machine?
As for the milk temp, a couple things you can do to help. Pre-heat your cups with hot water - this way there will be less heat transfer to them and more preserved in the drink. Also turn up your coffee temperature to the highest setting.
I hope this helps. It's great you're keeping up with the maintenance (although it can be pricy). This will certainly help your machine pumping out drinks for many years to come.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the comment, between the wife and I, we make no more than 8 drinks a day. I went thru 3 smart mini filters already, longest lasting 12 days. Hardnest setting is at the lowest. As for the milk temp, that's exactly what I do when I make a milk drink, I pre-heat with hot water but I just wish I could crank up by a few degrees the milk temp. The problem with the filters is that the machine is quite good at staying clean, meaning it rinses itself very often and when it does, it uses your filtered water fast.
Like I said in original post, this machine is a real marvel of engineering and the aluminium model cant be beat for design, but at that price I think the Jura cleaning products and accessories should be priced lower. I like the ENA 8, I just dont LOVE it, and at that price I should. You guys should do an episode on cost of ownerhip for a year! A subject we dont see much on TH-camr reviews. One more thing, anyone know why James Hoffman doesnt review super-automatics??
Fantastic video and with links and more info. Only thing I could ask for with these videos is for them to make them comparing all equal machines aka same range/quality/tier
Hey u, Thanks for the kind comment and suggestion. Idea here was to present a range of machines.
@@Wholelattelovepage in that case this was excellently executed. Did you review the Tera Kaffe TK1 machine ever? Curious if that is junk or too quirky for its $900 tag
Absolutely fantastic coffees ☕ from Jura E8, last 8 months proved that Jura made the best coffee machines. ✌️☕💯
Thanks for sharing your experience! We love the E8, as well as the rest of the Juras!
AJ
My ena 8 makes sour coffe. What coffe and grind settings should I use for ena 8?
Great video! Any plans of showing Jura z10? Thank you 😊
Soon! We shot a video with the Z10 the last time we visited JURA, but we don't have them in stock here yet.
AJ
It would be great to get a video on how you setup the cordorna prestige for coffee and Americano. It would be great to go through grind setting and actual setting for volumes.
Hey Mossy, check out this playlist of videos all about setting up and using the Gaggia Cadornas. We generally recommend the finest grind setting for espresso-based drinks like americanos or milk-based beverages, unless it is choking the machine. Coffee you can go a couple clicks courser, especially if you're getting bitter flavors in cup, but many people just leave it on the finest without issue. For americanos I prefer a 1:2 ratio of espresso to hot water.
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AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage super thank you very much
The amazing and easily cleaned milk caraffe alone I would think would put the Philips lattego on this list? A few of us went in on the Philips lattego 3200 two years ago for my cousin and she uses it everyday and loves it. She even neglects it terribly and probably has never used the food grade grease it came with in the mechanisms for the grinder and spent grounds bin and she's had no issues yet. Everybody loves that thing and the milk while not exactly foamy is lightly Frothed and the perfect temperature
Hey NoZenith, we've played with the 3200 a bit, but don't currently carry it so we don't have as much firsthand experience on the long-term reliability. Glad to hear she's loving that machine!
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage the newest series have more features but for the price, the more expensive, feature rich 4300 and then the top end 5400 being somewhere just shy of $1,000 (3200 can be found around $750 with specials) they punch so far above their class it's crazy. I understand stocking one of everything is a ridiculous proposition but I would definitely recommend them for that Superior milk carafe with no crevices, no internal chambers to get gunky or pickup tubes needed.
Gaggia Academia is incredible machine
Hi Brandon, Yes it is! Rock solid and I love the flow control on the spouts - really let's one fine tune extractions.
Excited for the Jura Z10. Any scheduled video reviews of the new machine coming ?
Yes! We went to Jura's US headquarters over the summer for a sneak peak at the Z10. A video from that trip should be coming soon.
AJ
Great video, AJ! I’m considering an upgrade from my Gaggia Brera - it’s good, consistent, but not great - and am curious to know if there have been any upgrades to the brew groups for improved extraction for these new Gaggia Super-Automatics? Even with finer grind settings and three bean dosing in the Brera, I find the espresso to pull just a little too fast, making for a slightly thinner shot.
Hi William, thanks! The brew unit is the same on all the Gaggia super-autos. Also, the Max coffee dose on the Brera is 11.5g, which is the same as the newer models (Cadornas and Magentas). If you want a stronger shot, I'd select the highest strength, lower your programmed volume, then brew a 2x shot.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage extremely helpful, thanks!!
Thank you for all the great info. It's been a while since I've watched one of your videos. Has Mark retired?
Thank you! Nope, Marc's still here making videos. Here's one featuring him from last week: th-cam.com/video/iwSj9tMYqm8/w-d-xo.html
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Cool! Thanks AJ! I appreciate all the staff making these videos.
I’ve had several Jura machines with built in grinder unfortunately the grinders eventually let them down and the taste of coffee goes downhill , great to start with but not a good long term investment. Far better in my opinion to buy separate good quality grinder and separate espresso machine,,get it right the first time you won’t regret it.
Hey Nick, I agree that a separate grinder and semi-automatic machine will give you the most control and likely best results in cup. For a lot of people, constantly dialing in and tinkering can be frustrating and not worth the effort - they just want good coffee at the touch of a button. That's where these super-autos come in. Less control, but far easier and more convenient to use.
AJ
I wanted to buy one and then saw the price start at 1k.. ouch. Gonna think about it twice but great video, well explained!!
Thanks! The prices can certainly be a little off-putting. We like to think of it as an investment - one that usually pays for itself many times over, rather than spending $4+ on a drink at a cafe every day.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage they are $6 nowadays
Ive stumbled across your channel after starting a new job that had a DeLonghi Dinamica. Now im looking for a machine to fit my home. I love the easy cleaning and rinsing/customization of drinks in the Dinamica. I mostly drink milk based drinks. Looking at these machines Im comparing between Gaggia and Jura, is DeLonghi not as competitive? Is there a machine you recommend solely for easy milk based drinks?
Hi K, thanks for the comment and question. Best machine for you is one that matches up features with your desires. I like super-autos which can make a true Americano and change the prep order of milk and espresso based on the drink being made. Also like easy programming, cleaning and machines which do 2 grind cycles if requesting 2 coffees at the same time. If you like the Dinamica then perhaps you've found the machine that's right for you.
Magnifica!
Not a bad choice, but didn't make the cut for our list this year!
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage haha I meant Magnificent!
Haha! Funny because there is a super-automatic machine from Delonghi called the Magnifica. Either way, thank you!
AJ
Thank you for the review. Why would you pick the Jura E8 over the S8? Thank you.
Hi Sebastian, they're not terribly different. Benefits of the new E8 are the pre-programmed doppio option, one-touch americanos, as well as ability to add an "extra shot" to cappuccino, flat white, and latte macchiato. Benefits of the S8 is a nicer touch-screen display and ability to manually switch between two types of foam with a dial on the frother.
AJ
I had the Ena 4 for a couple of weeks and it made really good espresso. I was impressed, until it broke. :(
Somehow the auto dispenser that dumps the coffee puck into a catch-basin got permanently stuck and rendered the machine inoperable. I was totally crestfallen bc I really did like the convenience of it.
Oh no! Did you contact us (or whoever you purchased from) about the issue? If not fixable, surely this should be covered under the warranty.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage I shamefully did not buy from you- but, I buy all my coffee from you ☺️
Yes, it’s definitely a warranty fix! My next semi-auto will be coming directly from you. This may happen sooner rather than later 😉
Thanks for the amazing content, as always
What coffe do you use?
@@Nerin18 Maromas Orphea. It’s delicious and WLL has it.
Do you have a video on best automatic machines with pre grinded beans? I have a great grinder but would love a machine that is somewhat automatic
We don't have a video specifically on that, but any machine with a bypass chute will work for you and you'll likely get even better results using your own high-quality grinder.
AJ
Have you guys looked at the Terra Kaffe TK-01 for this comparison? I can't find anything on your channel about it, and it should definitely be part of any super-automatic comparison these days. Most reviews of it seem positive, but would be interested in having your take.
Hey Matt, we've seen the TK-01 but haven't personally used it. I'd be interested in testing one out in the future.
AJ
I'm interested too! I've been going back and forth on if I should buy the Gaggia Magenta or the Terra Kaffe tk-01
@@jaclynrachellec Here the same. Wondering which one is a better over and all buy.
How much clearance does the Water reservoir need on the Magenta Prestige so that you can take it out to fill? Thanks for the video was great!
Thank you! You'll need about 17 inches to open the lid, and about 18 inches to remove the reservoir.
AJ
Hi Mark, hi AJ,
We have had a number of machines, last was Jura E-8, for some reason we could not get a decent tasting cup of coffee from that, so ended up returning it
We are currently using the Saeco Vienna Plus but it's old and very very loud.
What machine can you recommend that brews a great cup of coffee/ espresso but is as quiet as possible.
We do not need a machine that has a milk tank as we do not make any milk drinks having a wand is OK but not needed.
Look forward to your response
Hi Jeff, I like the Gaggia Cadorna. It's my daily driver used mostly for larger coffees made with the Americano function. I find Americanos have better flavor than long coffees made on other machines. The Cadorna does a true Americano making espresso and then adding pure hot water. This avoids the over-extraction you get on machines which put larger volumes of water through the grounds. The Cadorna Barista Plus has a steam wand so you can do a milk drink when desired: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-plus
Similar but less $$ is the Gaggia Magenta Plus. It has the one-touch Americano as well and the steam wand: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-magenta-plus-super-automatic-espresso-machine
I prefer the Cadorna as it has front access to the water reservoir and a more premium construction of the case and user interface.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Great video. Thank you. I subscribed to your channel. If our household just does shots of Starbucks espresso and nothing else what one pulls the best quality espresso shots? And which one heats up quickly as well? We just want something high quality that is simplified. We are not trying to save money but we want to get what smart. Any help would be great
Hey Rocky - thanks for subbing! If all you want is simple espresso have a look at the Jura ENA 4: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-ena-4-super-automatic-espresso-machine-full-metropolitan-black
The ENA 4 has no milk functions is super simple to operate and maintain. The machine is ready to brew in about a minute after turn on. Jura's PEP process makes a very good espresso. Use a Jura water filter in the tank as directed and you never have to descale the machine. Only maintenance is running a cleaning tablet through the machine when alerted - about 1x a month in average household use.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage THANKS. honest, personal question, if YOU had to choose between a bean to cup (fully automatic) vs. tamping your own espresso - what do you think makes the better tasting shot? i'm looking for flavor, not ease, not price - just good old fashioned quality. of course, i don't want features i don't like or need if possible. of course, if that's part of the deal, i will buy it. ha. what say you?
So it seems that for straight espresso, the Jura machines can pull a better shot, especially the E8 as it will grind up to 16 grams (I believe most others max out ~12g)? I've had 2 Super Automatic machines and have found the problem is the grinder will not go fine enough to pull a ~20 second 2oz shot. On my current Gaggia (Platinum Swing) I actually removed the grinder and reset the range to a couple of notches finer than default from the factory and now it pulls close to a 20 second shot instead of 12-14 seconds before adjustment.
Hi Kenneth, we generally don't worry about timing as much on super-autos as the brewing process is different than on semi-autos, where dialing in is a more essential part of the process. That said, you are correct about dosing on the E8, however some Gaggias like the Cadorna Prestige can make true double shots with two separate grind cycles up to 11.5g each, so you're essential dosing up to 23g. In the end if all comes down to taste preferences, and it sounds like you found what works best for you!
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage I realize taste is subjective, but based on your taste, as well as perhaps the majority opinion of those there at WLL who have experience with these two machines, which do you feel produces the more consistent better tasting espresso and black coffee drinks - the new model Jura E8 or the Gaggia Cadorna Prestige? How does the difference between the Jura E8 16 gram capacity and the Gaggia Cordona Prestige making a double shot using 11.5 grams each for each separate grind and brew cycle compare in produced espresso / coffee flavor? I would guess that the way these two machines brew, i.e. Jura PEP vs. Gaggia brewing method, would probably play a factor in this, but don’t know if the differences are really detectable. Would really appreciate your thoughts and input as trying to decide between these two machines and the quality of the produces espresso and black coffee drinks is the most important consideration for me. I realize a good semi-automatic machine would be the better choice based on this criteria, but want / need the convenience and speed of the super-automatic at this time. Thank you.
Gaggia magenta prestige is good but the bummer is why cant we have both manual and automatic frother on the same machine, i mean during weekdays i would love the simplicity of full automatic but during weekend i might want to show off my latte skills.
I hear ya - I love manual frothing but sometimes just want to press a button and walk away. Check out the two machines below. They're slightly older, but both are built like a tank and have the option of a carafe and manual wand.
Gaggia Babila: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-babila-one-touch-coffee-and-espresso-machine
Gaggia Accademia: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-accademia-espresso-machine
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you!
How would you compare Melitta Avanza 270-100 to the Philips 4300/3200?
Hi Marc,
Out of the two you sent me for consideration which is the quietest of the two.
Hi Jeff, They're fairly similar. The Cadrona maybe a little quieter as the grinder is to the back of the machine while the Magenta's is closer to the side so a little less isolated.
The Jura E8 was recently updated, do you expect that to happen soon with the S8?
Hi Sebastian, we're not aware of any plans for an updated S8 in the near future.
AJ
Hey guys can you give me yours opinion between philips EP5447 vs gaggia CADRONA PRESTIGE RI9604 01 ?
I wish you'd include the prices of each.
Hio Gb, Problem is they change all the time. Links in the description to each machine with current prices.
Does any one of them can work with oat milk or almond milk since they are thicker in texture? Thank you
Hi CC, Thanks for the quesrtion. Here's our video with frothing tests of non-diary milks in super-automatic machines: th-cam.com/video/jO9l7oENq1Q/w-d-xo.html
How does one milk oats or almonds?
Your advice please .
Cadorna prestige or the Jura e8 for milly drinks? Also can you fit a travel cup under the Jura milk frother like you can with the Cadorna. the XL drink option with the Gaggia is excellent does the E8 have this .
Hi RH, Milk drinks are comparable on the machines. From an ease of use standpoint I prefer the carafe system of the Cadorna Prestige to the pickup tube system of the E8. In the E8 Price range I can say the newer Gaggia Accademia is excellent for milk drinks. It has milk froth density that's adjustable in 4 levels per drink and a wider variety of milk drinks than the E8. Cup height max is 4.4" on the E8 and 6.1 on the Cadorna Prestige and 6.5 on the Accademia. See the Accademia in action here: th-cam.com/video/jZWS38_Jge4/w-d-xo.html
Gaggia magenta prestige Or gaggia Cardona Milk in 2023? Wich one you recomend for milk drinks
Hi r, well, if you want a carafe system you have to go Prestige for those models. If that's not important the Cadorna Milk has more drink options.
I think the Philips 5400 Lattego deserves a spot on this list.
is it good? i consider it
Just bought ENA 8 Nordic white for $1699. ENA 8 signature line with solid aluminum case sells $2,500. What am I missing in terms on functionality, etc, or they exactly the same?
No difference functionally, just a full aluminum housing rather than a plastic one. Coffee will be identical from both!
AJ
Hello
Gastroback 426616 or DeLongi Ecam 23.466s which do you find better?
Hi SA, Unfortunately I cannot render an opinion as I have not used the Gastroback.
Does the Jura E8 make a latte? I see that it makes a latte macchiato, or are they the same thing in terms of coffee to milk ratio?
No dedicated latte option on the E8, but you can achieve a similar result with a flat white made with an extra volume of milk. On the E8, this will do the espresso first, then milk, which will mix in more than a latte macchiato and give you less foam on top.
AJ
Hi, I see the machines are using the British measurement units, can they be changed to Metric? thx
Hi mr x, yes, the units on all of these machines (except the ENA4 which doesn't display them) can be switched from oz to ml.
AJ
Does Jura make a machine that is easy to clean? I have a Terra Kaffe now that I can take the grinder out and clean it and keep it in good working order. Coffee doesn’t taste as good as Jura, but I like dark roast and Jura doesn’t recommend this.
which machine produces the hottest coffee (non milk) drinks, and the hottest milk drinks?
Not a word about how much it cost, more like an ad then a review
Hi Tommi, it's hard to mention specific prices when they fluctuate with seasonal sales, new model releases, etc. Any dollar amount given in the video could be outdated in a month or two. All of the products are linked in the description with their current prices, that can be updated over time.
AJ
Can any of these machines use a dark roast? I used to use a dark roast in my Jura Ena 1 and it would gum it up.
Hi chris, You can use darker roast if visible oils cover less than about 1/3 of bean surface. Any more than that and clogs, gumming is likely.
Can the E8 do portion of milk, or is it just foam ?
Hi Colin, the new E8 only has one type of milk, which is a lighter, airier variety. That said, drinks like the latte macchiato will allow for a delay between milk and espresso for the hot milk to separate from the foam, resulting in a nice layered drink. Additionally, drinks like the flat white swap the order of preparation (dispensing espresso before milk) so that the milk mixes in better with the coffee.
AJ
Is the Delonghi Dinamica Plus any good? I was looking at getting it or the Jura E8
Hi Tom, I'm actually just about to get our Dinamica Plus out of the box to start testing. Hoping to make a video in the next couple weeks about it. Based on specs alone, the E8 edges it out in most categories (drink specialties, capacities, etc.) but we'll see!
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Great thanks AJ keen to see the review!
Hoping you can help suggest what's wrong with with my machine.
The coffee has started occasionally dispensing into the grinds tray instead of the cup!
Washing the mechanism helps, but now that it has started happening, it is happening more and more despite regular cleaning.
Hi Ian, let's see if I can help with that. Which machine do you have?
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, thanks for the reply. I took it apart and found it was blocked! Sorry for wasting your time.
Not a waste, glad you got it sorted out!
AJ
I really wonder how is it possible that these companies are still stuck in 2002
Thanks for the comment. I've been reviewing super-autos since 2013 - they've come a long way!
I currently own a Krups EA9010. Is it worth it to change it for a Jura?
Hi AG, Guess that depends on what you want. There are some very impressive Jura machines like the GIGA 6 with dual grinders and it makes 2 milk drinks simultaneously www.wholelattelove.com/collections/super-automatic-espresso-machines/products/jura-giga-6
Marc
My biggest dilemma with buying a super automatic espresso machine is whether the espresso pulled would be on par with an espresso machine that uses a portafilter. I know that an automatic machine is very convenient but I wouldn't want to sacrifice flavor and strength! Anyone experienced on this matter??
Yup, bought Saeco Incanto, later upgraded to Saeco Xelsis, tried Jura s8 and e8, but shots werent even close to what I was getting at my local coffee shop even though I ve used same exact beans. And here i am now owning Lelit Bianca, best quote I can give you is from my dear friend, I served him espresso from Lelit and Saeco, and he said - now i understand what is a coffee taste drink and what is a coffee drink. The mouthfeel, the long lasting aftertaste, different taste profiles by adjusting, pressure, time or dose is something you wont find in super auto.
@@audriusa7005 thank you so much for your thorough reply my friend! That is the same feeling I had when I first tried an espresso from a Nespresso machine and then from a gagia pro!
@@panagiotistrimis1812 not a problem. If you have patience and interest, i strongly recommend semi auto machine, its very rewarding once you get a hang of it. Check out James Hoffmans youtube chanel, there are great stuff there, like understanding espresso and what impact various variables has in the end.
Hey Panagiotis, thanks for bringing that up. I agree that the level of control and quality of espresso achievable on a semi-automatic machine is generally greater than on most automatic machines. However, this requires far more practice, effort, a separate grinder, longer heat-up times, etc. Many people are seeking great coffee at the touch of a button, not the potential for better coffee that requires more work. I also know people that prefer the espresso from super-autos, just based on taste preferences. We realize different things appeal to different people, so we carry a wide range of machines in both categories so people can pick and choose what's important to them.
AJ
@@audriusa7005 |To add to your comment: I noticed in the video that one advantage mentioned for a a machined reviewed here was the exceptional capacity of 16 g of coffee. Portafilter capacity is I believed between 19g and 23g. That alone must make a big difference between semi-auto and these full auto machines.
Which machine produces the lightest foam?
Probably one of the JURAs - either the E8 or GIGA 6.
AJ
Suprised I didnt see Saeco Xelsis in your list. Apart from being more stylish than Gaggia, its more silent, has variaty of customization possibilities, has excellent milk cleaning system, and none of the mentions are able to make 2 milk based drinks at the same time, wheres Saeco is perfect for that, when you have many guests, that feature really saves time.
Hi Audrius, good suggestion! I will point out that the JURA GIGA 6 in the video can make two milk drinks at once. Some drinks on that machine even dispense the milk and espresso simultaneously.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage my bad, I ve missed that part about Giga 6.
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Hi ENA 8 or E8 what is better? (same price)
Unless counter space is very limited, I'd go with the E8. Higher capacities, more drink options, and dual spouts for preparing multiple espresso drinks.
AJ
What does "Grinder ratio" even mean at 13:41 ?
Hey KB0, that means the percentage of beans the GIGA 6 is using from each of the two hoppers/grinders on the machine.
AJ
I have noticed there are no Phillips superautomatics mentioned. Is it because the ones listed here are all superior to them?
Hi LD, We base our selections on opinions of our service techs, customer feedback and reviews plus our personal experience using the machines. Since we do not carry Phillips products we have no data to include in our favorites. Gaggia and Phillips do have some similar products. Phillips actually owns Gaggia. What sets them apart? All Gaggia products are made in Italy. That's not true of all Phillips or Saeco products.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you very much for your reply. The Gaggia coffee maker looks to be a very tempting purchase.
Which is the best for business
The JURA Giga 6 would be the best option for an office or low-volume business. I would not use any of these in a busy cafe.
AJ
No love for Delonghi i.e. the dinamica plus or primadonna soul? It'd be good to understand where these stand in comparison.
We have a demo unit of the Dinamica Plus in the building, but haven't put it through its paces enough to give a full review. It may make next year's list after we have more time with it. I am a fan of the Dinamica with LatteCrema - here's a video I did on that last year: th-cam.com/video/8qKLgQkBtxY/w-d-xo.html
AJ
I really don't understand why Jura always ends up in these lists. I've always had Jura machine's at my offices and they were installed and maintained by roasters. It's never given me an enjoyable cup of coffee.
I'm sorry to hear that. Jura is one of the most reputable brands in the world when it comes to super-automatic machines and produces some of the best results in cup of any machine in this category. Perhaps a semi-automatic machine would give you a deeper level of control to customize drinks to your taste preference.
AJ
How does these machines stake up to the Delonghi Primadonna Soul?
Hey Harald, we've used the older versions of the Delonghi Primadonna, but not the Soul. I'm actually not seeing it available new for purchase anywhere, including Delonghi's own site (the product page is there, but the "buy now" button takes you nowhere). Perhaps it's been discontinued? Feature-wise, it's probably between the Gaggia Cadorna Prestige and JURA GIGA 6, but without having used the machine I can't speak to its drink quality, build quality, or reliability.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage maybe it's not available in your region, I'm in Australia and I own a Primadonna Soul, it's very good, except it's a bit cumbersome to wash the milk frother everyday
Hello, I would like to know between a Lattego 2200 and a Gaggia Magenta which makes the best coffee, I am in doubt between these two but there are no reviews between them on youtube!
Hi, if you find an answer please let me know, I try to decide between these models too
Hi Rafael and Selman, full disclosure - we don't carry that Philips model. Objectively speaking, head-to-head, coffee will be comparable between the two but where they differ is in their features and ease of use. I prefer the carafe on the Gaggia because you can fill, use, and store it without ever having to remove the lid. The 2200 LatteGo has only 4 drink options, while the Magenta Prestige has 12. Perhaps the biggest difference, however, is going to be the display and user interface. The Magenta wins this one by a mile - a full color screen with easy programming for temperature/volume/strength, easy maintenance and machine info. The Philips display is simply icon based with a couple LED indicator lights. Hope this helps!
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for great answer. Last question, Gaggia brews more balanced coffea, can we say that? and you mentioned about drink options in Gaggia magenta, what if we compare Philips EP4346 vs Gaggia Magenta. Does Gaggia still deserve the price difference? thanks in advance really
@@mrcomoglu If taste is the question, Jura will taste better than both of those. And then a semi automatic with a portafilter will blow all of them out of the water. If cost is an issue, Phillips and Gaggia coffees are comparable. If convenience is an issue, super auto over semi.
How long do these last when taken care of properly. All of these have negative reviews on amazon due durability issues. But it could be for a small percentage of users
We regularly get reports from customers of these machines lasting 10,000+ brew cycles. Of course that's with proper maintenance and care. Here's a video with some basic best practices to ensure long lives for super-automatic machines: th-cam.com/video/NVIvXHVN1F8/w-d-xo.html
AJ
Can any of these machines make a 4 shot cappuccino?
Hi Jay, Well, you like the caffeine! None of the machines has a 4 shot cappuccino on the menu but you can make it manually. By doing 2 double espresso first and topping with milk froth. Select a double espresso on Gaggia machines and the machine does 2 separate grind cycles automatically with a per cycle grind does of up to 11.5 grams depending on strength setting. 2 doubles on a Gaggia gets you a total coffee dose of up to 46g. Most would consider that 2 triple shots!
What is the difference between the Gaggia magenta & cordona models? It is just the user profiles?
Hi m, Thanks for the question. The user profiles is a big difference. Some others: Cadorna has a more contemporary user interface/display, front slide out drawer access to water reservoir, cup warming surface on top and upgraded external case materials.
I just wish I had a local place in the OC I could try demo drinks from these machines before ordering. The E8 looks great, but is a $1100 step up from the Magenta. Is the coffee $1100 better?
I'm currently weighing the Magenta Prestige vs the Jura Ena 8 and wondering the same thing. It looks like the water and hopper capacities are significantly smaller on the Magenta Prestige, and you have to change apparatus to get milk frothing or water. Those are the big differences for me. Anything else significant?
Hey Jon and Vahinewahine, as far as hopper/dreg drawer/water capacitities, E8 > Magenta Prestige > ENA 8. Yes, on the Magenta Prestige you'll need to swap from the carafe to hot water spout if you want hot water alone, however for an americano, the hot water is dispensed through the coffee spouts. Most people store their carafe in the fridge when not in use, so you could keep the hot water spout in the socket of just leave it empty, whichever you prefer. The E8 has the most drink options of the bunch, followed by the Magenta Prestige, then the ENA 8. The JURAs grinders are quieter and faster, and their cleaning procedures are a bit more elegant (though also come at a higher cost to use JURA cleaning products). They also give you the option to connect to a smartphone with an additional accessory, which makes customize and preparing drinks, as well as viewing machine alerts and system info easier. The PEP brewing on the JURAs really does make a difference in bringing out deeper flavors with a fuller extraction, but if that difference is worth the extra cost is up to the customer.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage yes, that's the $1100 question. What the taste difference is on the "deeper flavors." The slight difference in number of drinks and water capacity seems secondary.
I’m thinking if the WLL crew use a Gaggia superauto as their daily machine (and they could grab any machine), the drop off in flavor on a shot must not be TOO drastic for the price difference. Bit the bullet on a Magenta, so will see!
@@jonlenaway same. Although now I got brought down the rabbit hole of the Gaggia Cadorna, which has more features that i like. To be honest I am not sophisitcated enough to notice flavor differences, I really just want something that will do the work for me.
Is there any machine for carrying in flight
Hi KR, Like to make espresso while on a commercial airline flight? Not that I'm aware of. You'd be hard pressed to get access to enough power to run a machine.
@@Wholelattelovepage no I was just asking for carrying espresso machine from one city to another city via flight
@@kshitiz41 oh, my bad! Well, if you can do without the frills of costlier machines I'd have a look at the Gaggia Brera: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-brera-espresso-machine-in-silver It's small, low cost and has the best chance of surviving less than perfect baggage handling. You will want to pack it well for flight but its a solid unit.
Are there any automatic espresso machines where the hot water / coffee doesn't pass through plastic?
Hi Andrew, There are not.
Is there anything new for 2022 that I am missing?
Working on our picks right now so we can make the updated video for 2022!
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, I just bought a Phillips 3200 because I saw good reviews. Except that it breaks so I bought a 4 year insurance.
What's minimum machine to have app capability
The JURA ENA 4 (coffee only, no milk system) works with the WiFi Connect: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-ena-4-super-automatic-espresso-machine-full-metropolitan-black
The JURA D6 works with the bluetooth Smart Connect: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-d6-espresso-machine-in-piano-black
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage while i'm not a big milk drinker if i wanted a level to include some milk drink capability for the better half, what would that be? 2nd question, those i don't believe have the wifi by default? what would the cost be to add as an option?
how is tha gaggia best in style and design? I mean like.. every Jura looks better to start with
I suppose this one is a bit subjective, but I love the look of the Cadorna Prestige.
AJ
how is the miele 5300 not in here?
We don't carry Miele so it's hard to assess and compare its performance without firsthand experience.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage ah ok thanks. wish you all had a review of it. i decided on your reccomendation to try the gaggia magenta prestige. wish me luck!
Great choice, I'm sure you'll love it. Good luck!
AJ
My wallet : 😭
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I agree that the prices can be intimidating, but it is an investment. Certainly cheaper in the long-run than going to a cafe every day!
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage big investment for me rn 😂 but I prefer semi automatic machine fir better tasting coffee 😁🤙
Chinese gaggia and overpriced Jura, great marketing. Good that you didnt add ghost brand Nivona
Hi MM, FYI all Gaggia machines are made in Italy.
Best Value $900??? Seriously?
I agree that the price tag can be off-putting at first, but we view these as investments. Any of these machines, if properly maintained, can last 10,000+ drinks. Even with the cost of coffee beans and milk, the upfront cost is a very small fraction of that you would spend on that amount of drinks at a cafe.
AJ