Teddy Atlas on Tyson Losing to Buster Douglas, Tyson Being "Weak" When Talent Wasn't Enough (Part 9)
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While discussing the boxing careers of Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas, Teddy Atlas suggests that Tyson, although a great talent, lacked resolve. Teddy argues that Tyson's first real challenge resulted in the biggest upset in sports history - losing his heavyweight title to Douglas in 1990. Despite previously failing to live up to his potential due to a lack of resolve, Douglas managed to do so in this fight, as the memory of his recently deceased mother gave him strength. Teddy points out that while Tyson was known for his explosive talent, he lacked the "engine" of character and soul that successful boxers need. Teddy suggests that Tyson's six losses represent the only real fights he had and are indicative of his lack of resolve when faced with real challenges. Teddy concludes by expressing hope that Tyson has found contentment in his life post-boxing.
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Mike and Roy forever my favorite boxers of all time but the way Teddy broke it down about Buster Douglas having that one night of greatness just truly made me appreciate and respect Douglas and how important that moment was for him personally for the first time ever.
Yeah that sounds like a nice inspirational movie or something but it's all a load of BS...
What really happened is Mike partied with hookers all night and he still knocked Douglas out but the ref gave his ass the longest count in history...
Teddy knows how great Mike could have been and I think that's why he still get mad.
Douglas dominated Tyson that night. Controlled the fight until Mike caught him with a solid shot in the 7th or 8th round. He got up in time, bro. Then went back to work, and got Mike a round or two later. Mike managed to get up, but he was rocked. Ref stopped it right there, and he was correct. Mike was reeling. Douglas was heavier than Mike, and showed real heart to come back from the knockdown. Something Tyson could never do. Teddy is spot on with his description of that classic. Tyson is a top-10 heavyweight of all time, but Douglas was better on that night!!!
@@garyspence2128 He did NOT get up in time... that was the longest most fucked up count ive ever seen, the ref wasn't even on the correct count that the ringside official was on... they fucked up, plain and simple.. Idk if it was a setup or not but it was definitely a big fuck up that gets completely overshadowed
2 Boxers that beat up nobodies lol smh
I love to hear Teddy Atlas talk and articulate not only boxing , but LIFE !
As soon as Tyson Fired Kevin Rooney in mid 1988 we lost Prime Tyson. The partying became his priority.
Everyone knows this.
AMEN !
Incorrect
Excuses.
That is absolutely true. About a year ago I was watching Tyson's first fight after he fired Rooney. I didn't know that was his first fight after firing Rooney while watching it but I have watched every Mike Tyson fight a number of times so I know his style before and after Rooney. While I was watching the fight I was thinking "Man Tyson is fighting like crap in this fight, what is wrong with him?" I thought no way is Rooney his trainer the way he is fighting. I rushed online to see what his first fight was after firing Rooney and sure enough that was it. Tyson became slower, just trying to head hunt all the time and it's well known his training discipline went down. Tyson needed a controlling trainer that he trusted to keep him focused on and at his peak level and he was never at his best again after Rooney left. Still good but never at his elite level ever again.
There is NOBODY like Teddy Atlas. He always calls it the way he sees it.
❤exactly, as simple as that.
I can listen to Teddy talk about boxing all day! He knows the fight game like no one else! He is boxing!
RESPECT! ✊🏾
I watched that fight as a kid and it was the greatest thing I ever saw. At the same time it broke my heart
Yes even though I felt bad for Tyson, that knock out was well deserved.
Crazy story, my birthday was centered around that fight and everyone was totally shocked. Everyone kept saying what happened 😂
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I’m sure Tyson said after Cus died it became meaningless for him to be a great fighter as his drive to fight and train was always to impress Cus as he had basically adopted him as a son. I wonder if he had lived longer how great Tyson could have been.
I truly believe what he’s saying about Douglas. I always felt his mother dying weeks before that fight made him one of the first guys to walk into the ring against Tyson with zero fear. Buster was focused and determined for that fight like no other and I think it was from the loss of his mother.
If they woulda had a rematch Tyson woulda destroyed him
Cap dont care what anyone says he got lucky beating tyson
@@daveyboy_they were scheduled to have a rematch in 2000 but buster pulled out so tyson fought lou savarese instead.
Train hard in the gym and the fight is easy. Kevin Rooney is the X factor. He kept Mike in shape and he reinforced Cus' Dmato's strategy and techniques. He kept Mike sparring as well to maintain Tyson's timing. Tyson abandoned all of that when he fired Kevin Rooney. Bobby Brown said he and Tyson were partying and having wild sex with Japanese women the night before the fight. Tyson had done it before and in his autobiography he said he had a STD and was taking medication when he defeated Berbick & became the youngest heavyweight champ. He said he had improperly trained before and won before so he was confident that he could do it again especially against Buster Douglas. There used to be old video footage of Oliver Mccalll giving Tyson hell in Sparring. He said he told Tyson before the fight that Buster Douglas was going to beat him if he didn't train hard because he knew Buster had talent like Teddy said. I saw Buster Douglas on the undercard of Tyson vs Spinks and he destroyed a fighter named Mike Williams who was the favorite. Buster dropped him with a jab. I remembered him as the flabby boxer with the beatutiful hard jab but I never thought he could defeat Tyson.
@@PR-WAYbuster beats him everytime. Unless he went back to Kevin Rooney. Which dumb Mike didnt do
I agree with Teddy here Mike was clearly a tough kid, the definition of tough tbh but its clear to see in the fightts he lost and his behavior outside the ring that deep down the hell he went through had effected him. A very emotional man that coudl definitely be got at if you managed to get past the exterior
I believe Teddy Atlas is speaking on what he knows about Tyson. Being that he was his original trainer with Cus D'Amato before they fell out. However, Tyson still had talent and became one of the greatest fighters ever! Again, I believe that Teddy is speaking on the mental aspect of Mike. I still believe that he was a great fighter, but I understand what Teddy is saying.
Tyson was fighting bums for 97% of his career , who did he fight worth the greatest shouts ?
Teddy is upset at Tyson for not winning fights that he should have won if he just kept with the damoto teachings
As soon as rooney was gone it was down hill from there. Criminal corner men gd latex glove ice pack that sht would not fly today.
Iron mike is one of one just like the other greats
Love or hate em you still got to respect the mark he made in the sport of boxing and also in life.
@joshuakithyoma9575 "Most people don't know shit about boxing" Roger Mayweather
@@user-zy6cg8gx5v I agree totally. you can hear it in his voice. I myself believe that if Tyson would have stuck with Kevin Rooney, I believe that he would be in the conversation with Ali about who is the greatest.
❤Precisely well said and well OBSERVED.
You doesn’t hate Tyson, he just speaks the truth
"His truth" what HE believes you mean
His truth. Just because he's white doesn't make it truth. He's human, he has animosity towards Mike. It's ok
❤Precisely well said and well OBSERVED.
@@petergreen5337 I wouldn't say it was well said. Read it again.
Folks can say that about any fighter! Tyson overcame more today -than he ever had 2 in those 6 fights ! The man went through a heck of a flight only to find grounding and wisdom !! A much higher strength !! Boxing is a game that can teach you many lessons !! But so is finding your true self!! Much Love Tyson!! Much love Mr Atlas !!
if you consider mike tyson to have wisdom you cant be that bright. He cant even own up his own rape charge still
I agree
That fight happened the night of the Dunk contest during All-Star Weekend in Miami. I remember when it was announced, the shock that filled the Miami Arena that night nearly stopped the contest.
Excuses
Interesting. It was announced in the middle of the dunk contest?
@@michaelrobinson540 yep, flashed across the scoreboard in middle of the contest. You’d have thought a head of state had just been assassinated.
I love Teddy's take, I agree to a point. Mike tried to get up, he did show guts, he was absolutely gassed out. Great fight. Busta was awesome.
Look at the beating Tyson took vs buster, he didn’t quit. And he’s saying Danny Williams and McBride he had to overcome, they were bums. Tyson even said he’s not going to continue disrespecting the sport by losing to these caliber of fighters
djvlad is a great interviewer, and Teddy is an awesome interviewee. He can really carry a conversation and hold an audience's attention.
Or like Tyson mentions in his book that after he won the title at 21 he no longer loved the sport and felt there was nothing left to accomplish. He was just boxing and going through the motions after thst and seen he could knock guys out without hardly training. Then when he faced someone who actually was taking the sport seriously and trained, thats when you get the losses......
I think it's clear from Mike's Career and life outside of the ring that there's definitely mental weakness there.
What you (and Mike) are saying is definitely apart of it but I think Teddy is also right
Its 20
Tysons career is nothing but reasons and excuses why this or that happened. He’s the biggest victim in boxing while at the same time he’s iron Mike and kid dynamite like come on be a man Mikey. All that shit sounds different when your grown and see ZERO excuses made for other boxers
@@alrightythen1466 HE ducked ALOTTA people man...and that's no hate, Mitch Green took him the distance...why? NO FEAR AND HE COULD FIGHT.....Atlas is 1000% correct....
@@Incredible_Geez Who TF did he duck?? Come one come All. He wanted anyone with the belt. And as for Mitch, he wanted to punish him. I see most people don't know shit about boxing(Roger Mayweather voice) 😂
As much as I love Tyson… he NEVER got up off the mat and won a fight! He didn’t have the extra gear that the All Time Greats Have. Whenever he met resistance… he FOLDED.
Wow, so well said. I was never a huge fan of Tyson for this reason. I felt Tyson in his prime, deep down was a pretty troubled man, and many of his fans were seemingly seeing the savagery of Tyson as a reflection of who they were or wished to be. To me Tyson was kind of like a child, and to be honest, I worried about him. We are fortunate that he survived and is doing great things, being a good role model.
I TOTALLY agree with this. I've always said Tyson is not in my all time great. He couldn't beat ppl who were more discipline than him
Dogg.....LARRY HOLMES TOOK HIM 6 ROUNDS......LARRY OLD ASS HOLMES....But nobody wants to talk about that because Mike won....Prime Larry would have fckd Mike up....BAD.
He couldn't beat any of the top heavyweights in his era.
@@joedimaggio3687 exactly..he was a freak of nature but his lack of discipline is why he could never be an all time great to me. Not in my top 5
@hmosesmamulu6491 Tyson, being a smaller, heavyweight, had trouble with taller guys. He ducked guys such as Riddick Bowe, George Foreman, Ray Mercer, and David Tua, all of whom I think would have beaten Tyson. However, Tyson did have chrisma with many fans and so was overhyped.
@@joedimaggio3687ibeabuchi too. He would've gave him a long night. He was supposed to fight Tommy Morrison but that didn't happen. And I really wanted to see him fight Tua. 90% of Tyson's fighters lost before they got in the ring. The fighters who weren't scared of him beat him. Douglas, holyfield and Lewis. Shit holyfield bullied him. I love Tyson and happy hes still alive but all time great? Nope. Can't give him that.
😮Buster just lost his mother a couple weeks before that fight during training !!! He loved his mother so much and it inspired him to give his all for her!
Six losses six fights. Real talk right there
When Tyson knocked down ,Douglas first, watch the ref slow count. Even Tyson points this out, also admitted Douglas got up and beat his ass. But start counting when he hits the ground ,a point worth looking at.
Great Story about how Buster beat Mike But as a 79 year old Fight Fan who has lived through 6 decades of Great fights and Great Fighters, I would simply say that IMO the Simple Reason that Tyson Lost is because He did Not Take Buster Seriously, did Not Train hard and was way over confident, Period!
Muhammad Ali for example would not have gone down the way Tyson did in that fight, even if Ali did not "train hard and was way over confident". This is the difference between Tyson and other GOATs. Ali would have never gone down the way Tyson did against Holyfield. This is Atlas's point.
Absolutely agree everything Atlas says is true but most of all Tyson was over confident and didn’t prepare.
You gotta love teddys honesty 😂
I don't think he's hating either that's just his honest assessment
@@houndawgSounds like hes singeling Mike out
@@PR-WAY what? did we watch the same thing? He talked way more shit about Buster Douglas here than he did of Tyson. “Douglas was great for that one fight, never before never after” re-iterated in different ways multiple times? I didnt hear him saying that about Tyson....
@@joojoobawHe said Mikes 6 loses a the only fights he had his whole career lol.
@@PR-WAYTRUTH THO....
Such an incredible take by Teddy Atlas. I think if Teddy had remained in Tyson's corner and Tyson hadn't screwed things up with him, he would've had that extra edge that Teddy's talking about (not to mention of course, Kevin Rooney and Cus).
I love and respect Teddy Atlas, he's a straight shooter, (no pun intended) and no nonsense kind of guy who knows his stuff. As much as I love Tyson, Atlas isn't wrong....
However, I have to disagree with Teddy's point that Tyson never overcame a competitive fight.. Yes, most of Tyson's fights were like what Teddy said BUT Um, Tyson vs Ruddock wasn't a cake walk. Donovan Razor Ruddock was one of the hardest punchers in that time. Sure, he didn't have a great resume' and had defensive flaws but he was no tomato can and had a decent record.
I'm not sure everything is in absolutes. He overcame Ruddock, who in both fights was spending the bulk of the time getting his butt kicked, with it looking better because other than the Douglas fight, we were just used to straight domination. He landed a few good shots while never looking the part of an eventual winner. I'll grant you it shows Tyson wasn't a sheer frontrunner. But for right or wrong, boxing greatness at its highest level needs to come with that little X-factor that shows a fighter winning a fight against another great fighter, winning when it looked like he was gonna lose, or winning as an underdog--things he never did.
Tyson and Ruddock were trying to KILL each other! Two great fights between them.
Yeah but let's not skip over the fact that Rudduck was giving it back to him...and that 1st fight was a bullshit stoppage by Richard Steele....
: / YEAHH, AND TYSON LOST TO RIDDICK BOTH TIMES!
I don’t think Atlas is hating. He’s being objective. Tyson lost against opponents that actually fought back. Look the record yourself.
Plenty of guys fought back against Tyson. Berbick fought him. Ruddock fought him. Tucker fought him. Not accurate to say that Tyson lost to all the guys who stood up to him. No way!
@@AnthonyJ74 None of those guys were Holyfield or Douglas. Tyson never beat the guys that beat him.
@@LiquidScorpion, true, but Ruddock certainly was a fight. Tyson didn't have it his way against him at all...
You can tell teddy has some hate in heart for iron Mike
"Call me a hater, tell you I'm not" !
Straight up sounds like a hater to the core, he sounds happy Mike lost lol
100 💯...he does....so he lies sometimes....Tyson just wasn't training...period.
He’s not he’s just blunt and Tyson would agree with him because Mike himself said he was coasting and wasn’t training
lol just for being honest it’s “ hate”
"On one night, I was great." That's so powerful.
I totally agree with this analysis. Spot on.
I'll never forget seeing Mike lose that fight and I agree with Vlad I'm 47 I saw that fight on TV at home with my parent's And my Mom and dad were both huge boxing fans and got me into it and Tyson is my All time favorite. My Mom noticed immediately that Mike looked weak that night and didn't have the fire in his Eyes. We didn't know that Mike was High on street drugs and didn't train but Mike underestimated the wrong man Douglas mother had just died and He swore He was gonna win for Her and He did He didn't just beat Mike He beat the Heck out of Mike.
And still damn near lost the fight
This was the real reason Tyson lost that fight !
Exactly, Mike was on a cocaine/alcohol hangover and not in shape but Buster came in ready
My Dad and I were watching too. My Mom was going to work and said don't be surprised if Tysons loses she was right lol
Was it weak to pull a gun on an unarmed person? And pull the trigger? Over threats? Lets start there.
This is not about Teddy it’s about Tyson.
@@vantheman1238 Teddy is being interviewed. It's about Teddy. They're just gossiping about Mike because he has no story otherwise.
Threats to someone’s 12 year old niece, cmon bro Tyson was a scummy person. Teddy was right to do that
@@user-ku5hs3ji8k call police 🚔
What a Beautiful way of putting it Teddy
You Teddy ...you were great! A stepping stone for Mike,you made him great!
Mikes a mental case with problems 😂😂
Ali had a fairly steady and loving upbringing and Angelo Dundee was in his corner till the end. Joe Louis had Jacky Blackburn in his corner. Tyson had a traumatic start in his first 12 years and 6 years later Cus died. After the Tubbs fight his professional support crumbled.
If Cus lived till the end of Tyson's career he would've retired undefeated, probably somewhere in the late 90s having defeated Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Bowe etc.
So having said that despite his horrible upbringing in his formative years, he would've been great till the end and probably be mentioned by all boxing fans and historians as the greatest ever. Quite weird that Teddy Atlas (who is a trainer) never mentions this. Maybe he doesn't wanna see these solid arguments
Ted arguments are FACT BASED. His conclusions are well understood by experts of the time .
Lmao teddy is a fool
Profound stuff
Good interview. I understand teddy point
Atlas was actually right here. When i was young i thought Tyson was superman & unbeatable even after he lost. But then i got older & got into boxing & actually became a real boxing fan & not a casual. I went back & watch all Tyson's old fights before Douglas & realized he was actually fighting ALL BUMS. & It was the record padding process every boxer goes through to make them look champion ready. Even Douglas was a bum but that night he wanted it more than tyson. Everytime Tyson faced REAL CHAMPIONS he lost. So actually he looked good against bums but could never overcome real champs. Its easy to look indestructible when you knocking a bunch of journeysmen out in the 1st round
I've been following boxing and mma for 30 years and I rate Tyson most overrated fighter ever. He really did fight all bums
douglas was not a bum tho
Tyson was fighting bums? How are you not a casual when you think Razor Ruddock and Trevor Berbick were bums?
@@remnantsaved144 Douglas was a bum you didn't know who TF he was before tyson
@@tari8134 Trevor berbick was a bum he lost 11 fights & razor ruddock was after Douglas but he wasn't a REAL CHAMPION either. He didn't hold belts for long or had a long standing career. Like the likes of Riddick bowe, holyfield, Lennox lewis, foreman, Klitschko etc... everybody in the 80's & 90's who Tyson was knocking out was bums PERIOD. & YOU THE CASUAL IF YOU DONT SEE THAT. you talking like a Tyson groupie & I like Tyson but I know he was fighting bums all them dudes came in the ring scared & was running berbick bum ass was flopping all over the ring in fear
Y'all don't need to keep trying to "defend" Mike lol. He knows what his problems were at that time in his life. Vlad didn't bring Teddy on here to shit on Mike. This guy is an all-time great trainer and one specifically who in fact trained Mike. His opinion is a valid one and he's not lying on him. Mike's issues were deep-seated and like Teddy said, he was one of those types in his younger days that if you stood up to him and had elite level skills yourself you had a chance against him. In the case of Douglas he shouldn't have had a chance against him but Mike underestimated him, let his ego get inflated and didn't train anywhere near as hard as he should've for the fight. I said it about the second Roberto Duran/Sugar Ray Leonard fight; any king that doesn't keep prepared to defend his crown isn't worthy to sit on the throne. At that point in time, Mike wasn't anymore...
We have to put thigns into perspective. Tyson was not only fighting his opponent but also himself for the majority of his career. if Tyson would of kept that same disicpline he under under Cus, Tyson would of been UNSTOPPABLE
@@ransizzles That's what people don't get. The lapse in discipline is what Teddy's talking about. Not just physical but mainly mental. That consistent work ethic and maintaining the principles Cus had Teddy trying to instill in him was always what he saw Mike having issues with and he saw it coming before anyone else did.....
Well said
Every single thing that Teddy Atlas said is 100% correct! He spoke facts. he didn’t put Mike Tyson down, but spoke the truth by saying that Busta Douglas, exposed Tyson. Tyson just wasn’t prepared, or as prepared as he should’ve been. Doesn’t take away from the greatness of the body of work of Mike Tyson, but that particular fight, Mike got caught slipping, straight like that💯‼️
It's crazy to think that just because Mike Tyson wins a fight, it means he didn't get challenged.
He fought a ton of cans
It is kind of a circular argument. Like it's holding it against Tyson that he's good enough to just wipe out good fighters without any problems. And a lot of the reason they didn't offer resistance was because of how good Tyson was. But there are no fighters who are put on the absolute top shelf who failed to deliver in just about every competitive spot they were in and historically, you can't not count that against him.
@@NutsakZack Get off my post with that name and nonsense.
@@bennylevine387It's crazy to assume that just because6wins a fight, it means he wasn't challenge. I understand the counter argument. But for somebody to be the champion for years and to knock all of those big guys out, that argument cannot apply to such a great fighter. What Teddy says does apply to different sports and life situations but not when it comes to a boxing champion of that stature. If Tyson knocks out a guy twice his size in a matter of seconds, that means that Tyson challenged himself and overcame the challenge tremendously. If it's so easy then why haven't everybody done what Tyson has done???????? Get out of here Jealous Teddy your crazy self. Had a good life and messed it up misfit
Foreal
I feeling like I am so offended by the titles that I watch these clips. I think Tyson has always been an icon that's why it offends me.
Tyson is a Rapist, fact.
What are you on about 😂
I'd be offended at myself if I ever held someone as an "icon" while at the same time put aside the sheer fact that same person was also a convicted Rapist.
Both Fighter’s outside life affected their ring life. It worked toward the Bad with Mike and it Gave Buster the Push he needed.
This is good stuff
Mike Tyson was the most gifted and talented heavyweight in history but it seems that once a fighter didnt back down from him or didnt show themselves to be intimated he crumbled and went into a shell and you cant deny reality but at the same time i wonder what his career would of been like if his father figure the man who is the reason he even got into boxing if cus lived long enough to make him mentally stronger how his career would of been like also staying with the same team that brought him up to begin with
Just say you didn’t watch Tyson. A lot of guys didn’t quit and a lot of guys put up good fights with him and fell short. Does this apply to Pac-Man Loma? Canelo? And every fighter that has lost?
No one truely beat Mike Tyson in my opinion
@@el8233 All those guys were much older by then. Mike was 23 when he lost to Douglas. Nowhere near his prime physically.
All facts
Tyson was always mentally weak and had stamina issues, once everyone figured out take him past 5 rounds and he’s done it was over for him
That fight showed Tyson would have troubles with a George Foreman or Sonny Liston. Big guys with jack hammer jabs. Angelo Dundee called the outcome too. I don't think Tyson quit in that fight --he was getting his ass kicked for 10 rounds but he never quit.
I think prime Foreman would have been an issue for Tyson, but the old Foreman that fought when Tyson was fighting would have been a victory for Tyson.
Nah Tyson woulda droped all of them to people only beat him on his way down in my opinion
@@michaelloughrie5519 It's a 3-4 round fight in 1974 or 1987. 1974 Foreman by KO 1987-1992 Foreman by KO. Not only that but I don't call 1970-1974 Foreman prime. Big George became a much more relaxed fighter after he returned from a 10 year hiatus. But against Tyson it's Foreman by KO regardless of which version gets in the ring. BTW- Buster Douglas performance against Tyson was likely the best performance by anyone in a heavyweight title fight. Buster boxed on a dime that night.
@@PR-WAY Tyson lost to Douglas when he was 23 years old so he was in decline? Buster Douglas beats Tyson 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. Big George Foreman beats him 7 days per week and twice on Sundays. Styles make fights and Tyson was made for Big George.
Before Tyson fought Douglas he beat fighters that was on Douglas level. He even beat fighters that beat buster Douglas like Lou Savarese and Tony Tucker. Tyson became over confident which resulted in him not training properly for the Douglas fight.
Brilliant.
This is true to anyone that actually watched more than just highlights. He straight up quit against Holyfield. Once you turn your back looking for the ref you can no longer be in a certain tier of greatness.
If Tyson takes the preparation and training seriously leading up to that fight he would've smoked Douglas.
An unprepared Tyson caught Douglas once and floored him. His lack of conditioning and carelessness caught up to him.
That's all it takes. Whether it was the unpreparedness or Douglas bringing it to him the questions are now there to be had of Mike's own doing, no one elses and this is coming from someone that believes Mike to skill-wise be the greatest heavyweight we've ever seen thus far.....
And apparently those Japanese gals sucked all the fluids out of him at hotel the night before the fight 😅 I remember Tyson spoke on that before
Easily but Mike fkd up by being fkd up before geting fkd up
I disagree with atlas,,because Mike had many back and forth dog fights with different opponents...Also,,all of Mike's losses were in the post Mike era,,meaning when Mike left the cust'dmato gym,,stopped training,,started abusing drugs and alcohol,,partying with women,,surrounding himself with snakes like don king,,etc.....That being said,,if Mike woulda stayed with the cust'dmato gym and remained focused and holy in his lifestyle,,he woulda never tasted defeat in my opinion...
Agree, I thought the razor ruddock fights were competitive.
@@rahowherox1177 I agree...Also tony tucker,,tony tubbs,,and Mitch Green were competitive...Also,,holyfield ducked Mike tyson for years when Mike was with cust'dmato,,he waited until Mike started using drugs and alcohol,,partying,,living loose and wild,,abandoned cust'dmato,,abandoned his focus and training,,etc....and then decided to fight him...In fact,,it was clearly obvious in the buster douglass fight,,that it was not the same vicious aggressive Mike tyson in the ring,,but a slower watered down non-aggressive non-vicious version....In fact,,this is a prime example of what drugs,,alcohol,,non training,,non focus,,and loose living will do...In fact,,whenever someone abandons the ones who took them in from homelessness,,moved that person into there house to live,,and turned them into the heavyweight champion of the world,,then karma will definitely punish that individual that does such a betrayful ungrateful heartless act...Thx for commenting
Wise words to live by Teddy Atlas !!!
He's right when his says that Mike will have a problem when someone stands up to him. We've seen it with the 2 Holyfield fights, and Lennox Lewis fight
This guy has been talking shit about Tyson for over 10 years. Every opportunity this guy has to shit on Mike he jumps right on it. He helped make the youngest heavy weight champ and has nothing good to say
What about the long count for Douglas
Tyson got a "long count" as well. There's a TH-cam video side by side comparison.
@@axel_foley69Buster Douglas long count robbed Tyson . Douglas was even out on his feet when he finally got up . Fight over twice
@@donaldstreaty5259 if Douglas was in such bad shape then why didn't Tyson finish him after that? Tyson got a long count to recover but Douglas was cooking all night and bringing it to Tyson. Btw, did you even know it's not a 10 second count, it's a 10 count.
Facts nuf said
Then they gave him the nonsense rape charge and incompetent attorney
Teddy great analogy
A lot of people who dont know boxing history. The fact is Mike was undefeated with Cus D'Amato's training protegee Kevin Rooney. He got rid of Rooney because he started getting influence by afrocentrism and black muslims and wanted to surround himself with black men. He fired Rooney without even telling him why and still never apologized to him. And then he got his first loss right after firing Rooney, who had Tyson in insane physical shape. Like Teddy said when Mike was a kid he was "easily misled". Thrn after that loss to buster it was all downhill from there. From prison to drugs and all the other losses.
Teddy Atlas created Mike Tyson to be great. However only Mike Tyson could have been created so great by Teddy Atlas. I think its tragic they had such a bad fall out.
I think Mr. Atlas is perhaps, in my opinion, over-complicating the Tyson loss to Douglas. I see and respect his thought process but I think it is simply that Tyson underestimated the skilled, motivated, and prepared James "Buster" Douglas and came into the fight expecting to easily overpower the little-known contender, but he was caught by surprise and was not able to adjust. Tyson is not the first "great" to underestimate an opponent and pay the price for it. Look at Ali/Spinks and just what happened with Fury and Ngannou. I believe Tyson had a rough night, but it doesn't mean he wasn't a great boxer. I always thought that if Tyson Douglas II happened, Tyson would have gone into the fight more educated on Douglas and also physically ready to fight hard and stop him. But that's just my opinion. You can probably make a strong case that the one factor that held Tyson back from being considered an ATG was his discipline and consistency.
Lol you didn't listen to a word he said.
@@Fusion991 how
soon as he says “without Mike Tyson ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WHATSOEVER would know who tf I am AT ALLLLLLLLLL” THENNNN I’ll give him a listen
This was deep!
I think Teddy just mad that Tyson abandoned him and stayed with Cus. Mike Tyson lost to Buster had mostly to do with the fact that Tyson got too comfortable knocking guys out easily that he began to abandoned his great technique like head movement, combinations, body shots, using his jab to nullify his opponent jab, and leaping forward with the right cross to close the distance and hit his opponent. He became 1 dimensional fighter who just simply came forward with no head movement and throwing one punch at a time with no technique. And plus after Tyson got with that sheisty promoter Don king, he also left his old trainer Kevin Rooney. Despite all that Tyson did manage to drop Buster and should have got a KO but the ref did a long count, cheating Tyson out of a KO win.
You gotta give Buster his props for that fight. That being said It was long count
Notice how none of these comments mention that LONG count Buster Douglas had - I'm so glad at least ONE boxing fan knows they shit !!!! Thank you !!
@@garywigz6310Stop it....and maybe if Mike could control himself around 11YEAR OLDS maybe Teddy wouldn't have the animosity.....
@@Incredible_Geez I’m not sure what you mean - we are talking about the buster douglas fight not Mike’s entire life span from birth to world champ - that’s not the conversation- it’s about THAT FIGHT - that moment in boxing history - and if you know your boxing and you watch the fight from the beginning ( not just the knock out ) you will understand my point .
@@garywigz6310 You talking about a long count that Buster had and that's bullshit I've always hated that lame excuse...Mike Tyson got BEAT UP that night by a guy who could fight and just lost his Mother...PERIOD. The whole world saw him looking for his mouth guard on the floor. STOP THE EXCUSES.
Tyson wasn’t able to overcome resistance in a competitive fight. Buster Douglas whipped his ass for much of the fight but Tyson did endure and drop him in the 8 th around. However, Tyson went on to evader Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. And Tyson quit 3 times (biting Holyfield’s ear, not getting up against Williams, and not leaving the corner against McBride )
Let’s forget about all the other fights
he tore his mcl against Williams. That's why he didn't get up.
Tyson fans will make any excuse they can for him, he was knocked out 5 times and they all got 5 different excuses.
@@kevinshell8392 Exactly. Tony Tucker broke his hand against Tyson, Mitch Green was getting high and partying, instead of training before losing to Mike, but no one is making excuses for those fighters
The main reason for these things is Mike Tyson had absolutely no desire to be fighting. He actually hated it at that time and was only doing it for a payday. Now if you took Mike Tyson with a fire in his heart in a passion for boxing, all of these guys would have probably been knocked out. How you feel about what you're doing dictates the outcome and we can all think of examples in our own lives.
Atlas is actually right. Tyson was great and dynamic but never won a war.
Tyson even admits as much.
Tyson is a great, He definitely made a way and you’re a hater💯💭🧾😂📌📌😂📌📌
The Mike Tyson that lost to Buster Douglas was not the same Mike Tyson that destroyed Michael Spinks….Tyson at his peak would have blown out Buster Douglas… when he lost to Douglas he was surrounded by amateurs not disciplined and not motivated…on the other hand Buster Douglas was at his very best that night in great shape and highly motivated…after that loss, going to prison, and getting involved with Don King Tyson’ career went off the rails
Part of what being great is being disciplined and dealing with life. Every fighter has to do it. People like to give tyson a pass. He was a great fighter, but when you compare him to other greats he's towards the bottom
Glad doesn’t watch sports
Nope
Love this Guy
Alot of people forget and or weren't around when Tyson was younger and truly crazy.
Still overrated
Teddy is beyond reproach!!!
Great take and I agree with Atlas wholeheartedly.
Man this is some deep stuff. Wisdom from an O.G.
Yeah that combo buster put on tyson was brutal. Top 5 greatest boxing matches for sure.
Tyson didn't train. Period. ... whole this beautiful story about Douglas was possible because of Tyson. Hate as much you want Teddy, Mike will remain most loved boxer of all times.
Teddy Atlas is not a hater. He's just telling it how it is. When Mike Tyson became the heavyweight champion for the first time, he stopped taking boxing seriously and too concerned about being a celebrity.
Its crazy nobody would know who cus D'Amato is who is alive today at all. Other than Mike Tyson being as legendary as he is
If you know Boxing you know he’s speaking the truth
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Buster Douglas, father was in his corner as I understand, encouraged him, deserves some credit.
That's the truth Mr. Atlas!!!
It was a perfect storm
I totally agree
I remember that fight vividly. I knew he would win. Told my dad who thought different. All I had to hear was that he was doing it for his mother who had just passed. You can make excuses for the Great Iron Mike Tyson but on that day Buster was Greater.
I'm not making an excuse for Tyson, it was his fault- he didn't train well for the fight, sometimes he would blow off training camp, maybe he did this time too.
Boy Mike was putting Teddy thru it 😂😂😂
Mike was great. He fought the best of the best and left it all out there… Lost and had a rematch right away… IRON MIKE TRUE CHAMPION!!
Yeah, but he never had a rematch with Buster and when he fought the best, he lost.
I use to dislike teddy atlas but after these interviews I really like him. People saying he hate Tyson is bs he was being honest he don’t have that hate in his heart ANYMORE. And this from a Tyson fan
Teddy absolutely does hate Mike Tyson and it stems for his jealousy from the fact that Cus chose Mike over him. It was a great betrayal and Teddy will hold this grudge until he is buried in the ground. It really is this simple, everything else is just noise.
@@michaelscott466 damn that’s cold.
One of the greatest trainers ever that micheal grant fight speaks volumes
Ga'Head😆🤣😭 I love that New York Swag😎
Thank you DR ATLAS BUT I feel Tyson faced heat twice n came up short in 50-6-301
Teddy reminds me of
Sylvester from Looney Tunes!
Suffering Sucotash !
I can hear Teddy all day
True athletes understand what Teddy is speaking to. We all have seen or played with the guy with all the talent in the world, but as soon as he has to dig deep, he becomes a front runner.
That shit crushed me at 13 yrs old .
Teddy said the something in the Joe Rogan interview when talking about Tyson record
I agree with him
Teddy is keeping it real about Mike Tyson
Vlad you in class w the Teacher!!!
Tyson's best fights were the two against Razor Ruddock. Tyson showed he could actually FIGHT!