Keyleth's whole S3 vibe has just been so triggering to me, and that's why it's such a valuable lesson- it's not enough to simply "know" or "feel" something, but to move forward with conviction in that awareness, and make choices accordingly is a very real struggle.
Keyleth’s come a long way since Season 1. She found love that keeps her tethered. She found her own path to becoming a leader. She’s survived undeath, passed through fire, braved the fey realm, went to hell and back, and conquered her nemesis. And she did so by utilizing all she’s learned across three seasons to outlast and outwit her, baiting her into incinerating her own corpse, thus leaving the diseased ashes open to being “reclaimed” by the earth and free to be transferred back into her new body. In other words, she _deceived the Deceiver,_ beating Raishan at her own game and reducing her to being the DECEASED Deceiver.
Couldn't agree more. I love that they gave the HDYWTDT to Keyleth. It was an epic battle with such a deadly, cunning creature. Although the Feeblemind from the OG campaign was plenty epic too.
Hats off to both Marisha Ray and Cree Summer for really bringing this deadly rivalry to life, from all the way back in 1x2 “The Terror of Tal’Dorei, Part 2” up to this point.
In my view, even if Keyleth was right about Raishan, the cold hard reality Vox Machina had was that there was no alternative. Without Raishan they would not have been able to find The Plate, nor learn about Thordak’s plan. The mistake they made with Raishan was not that they trusted her (they didn’t), but that they did not plan around Raishan inevitably stabbing them in the back.
I was surprised to read LeVar Burton in the end credits, but then I thought, “of course they got LeVar for this. The Critical Role crew is best buds with his daughter Mica.”
No one ever said you had to fully and blindly trust her. You just can trust as long as Thordak is kicking she’s playing on your side (for now) or at the least playing all sides so she can come out ontop
Did anyone else noticed that the stones that Raishan used have symbols of a storm, waterfall, I think air, and probably the elements of each dragon that vox machina fight?
This seaoson has truly been Keyleth's shining time. If *Se01* was _Percy's & Pike's_ season and *Se02* was _Vax's & Grog's_ season, then *Se03* is definitively _Vex's, Scanlan's_ and pretty much _Keyleth's_ season. 👌✨
For the people commenting on the focus on Keyleth being right: The show is commenting on the fact about how much people hated on and doubted Keyleth in the og streams. It has nothing to do with the outcome of the fights or grudges that were between the charactee- but with the facts that her words, actions or opinions weren't seen as valuable (by the team or the audience) at the time. If you think the focus is weird or undeserved- maybe think about it from her point of view. She had put her whole life (her aramente, helping her people) on stop for the team. But kept being treated as a spare piece. And the fact is, it had happened before, during season 2 when the fire ashari were attacked. They didn't listen, until it was almost too late. The plot point is for Keyleth- she has good insticts, lots of potential and a solid leadership skills. She just needed to believe in that herself. And her team needed to realise that she needed them to be there for her and to support for that.
I think you nailed it right there. She even said so: she had to trust _herself_ first. And she could upon realizing how much she needed the others. Especially the person she loves most. They are what keep her grounded and tethered. They all learned a valuable lesson: to trust each other and to LISTEN.
There are two ways to read this: either Raishan was unwilling to see the Ashari’s motives as benevolent because they didn’t serve her, or their motives actually weren’t.
Nope, this is completely new and dosent even line up with what we know about the setting. In the source material the Ashari had nothing to do with Raishan personally, and "chromatic" dragons have been enemies of humanity since almost as far back as the founding of the world. "Claim nature for themselves" has to be an outright lie, the 4 Ashari tribes stay close to the 4 elemental rifts to guard them, theyre not out taking ownership of forests or whatever.
@@itsjustvin7630Probably as they are dragons, they weirdly see anyone out of their species as they’re equal and also did you see the pattern of the rocks that Raishan used?
@@skalskabar2 Also they only managed to kill Thordak with a vestige that specifically countered his powers (And even then he still took a hell of a beating), something Raishan accounted for.
Keyleth was right about Raishan, but what other choice did Vox Machina have? They didn't exactly have tons of time and Keyleth was shooting down an immediate solution without providing one herself.
Raisan was such a good villian not like thordak who had uncertain priorities he first spoke about ruling people but burned and killed everyone then required gold then he became a parent like wtf what that crap.
I come here because I see a image of kratos and find someone named grog .....who I know is not Kratos before he says his name because he smiled ......Kratos never smiles
I didn't like this all much, because there wasn't really much to do about Raishan. They would've never worked with her if they had a choice, but getting vague bad guy sense from someone they didn't trust to begin with didn't make a tangible difference on what the group could or could not do. The only option they had was to stab Raishan in the back right after killing Thordak but that would've just seemed like them being even blow her level.
@@SirsasthNigam. Percy warned Vox Machina about Ripley and Percy had a chance to kill her when she was in that prison cell but they stopped him because she was defenseless. Keyleth warned Vox machina about Raishan and they should've let her die when she was burning to death. And Looked what happened 😮💨😑
@@taraungoogle8482 So how are they able to beat thordak without the knowledge of the dawnmartyr and even then it was raishan's disease that affected thordak
The disease was given to her by a Druid of The Wild Mother. Think of it more of a blood curse. I know mechanically the undead cannot be diseased in game. But in nature, disease and rot consumes any organic material.
We don't find out until the last episode of season 3 that Keyleth's people were responsible for infecting Raishan with a fatal disease. I think most people would agree that purposely infecting somebody with cancer, AIDS or Ebola is morally wrong- even if they are your enemy. I was like "so was that what this was all about". I think Raishan was justified in hating Keyleth and the Ashari.
Yeah, but considering Raishan was already VERY evil by that point (in fact her disease was basically a dying curse from the druids she murdered) I'm not all that sympathetic. Especially since she pretty much admitted the first thing she planned to do after being cured was commit wanton genocide.
@Igarappappa I agree with that. But, when I said Raishan may have been justified in hating the Ashari, I wasn't suggesting the destruction of the druid community was justified.
There's more to the fight before this, but it's also technically like another phase to the Thordak battle from episode 9 even if it's just his body that's being used.
@@SylvaGardenia yes two minutes of Vox machina vs raishan Listen, i like this season but the dragons battles were really disapointing, only vorugal was acceptable, thordak dies after 3 attack and with no a real fight vs Vox machina full power, raishan was...this. The problem is that Anna Ripley and Orthax took to much screentime
The sudden focus on how Keyleth was right all along feels... weird. Since like, duh? Nobody ever actually trusted her? It's just that her aid was necessary in defeating Thordak, since they wouldn't have beaten him without the Plate of the Dawnmartyr. Like, I get that the grudge is more personal for her, but come on.
@@itsjustvin7630 Maybe, but Thordak was a much bigger, much more immediate threat. Whatever Raishan was planning wouldn’t matter if they all died to Thordak first. Should they have been more prepared for her betrayal? Maybe. Was it the wrong choice to accept her help? No, because they would’ve all died if they hadn’t.
@@GamerJosh2611 but in the end raishan barely helped other than giving information about a vestige that wouldnt work on her and even then it wasnt foolproof since Pike had a hard time using it til she stopped believing in her goddess. They still shouldve listened to Keyleth and had a contingency plan against Raishan
@@itsjustvin7630 She gave information that was VITAL to Thordak's defeat. Pike's struggle with using the plate wasn't Raishan's fault, and in the first place, she likely wasn't considering them not being able to use it because she GENUINELY wanted Thordak dead, even if only for her own purposes. You can't say that Raishan barely helped, because as proven by their first attempt on Thordak's life, *they could not beat him without the Dawnmartyr.* Like it or not, if they ignored Raishan and refused to listen to her from the get-go, they would've failed to defeat Thordak and everyone would have died. That much is an undisputed fact. Yes, maybe they should've been more ready for Raishan's betrayal, but Keyleth's whole bit that she goes through here is frankly just willfully ignorant and blatantly ignoring the bigger picture. "I should have spoken up, been more confident, stop everyone from listening to Raishan" despite the fact that if she had done ANY of those things, they would all be dead. Sure, her grudge was personal, she wanted to avenge her people who were killed as a result of Raishan's actions. But willfully ignoring that it was necessary to save those who were still alive makes it a really shitty springboard for character growth of the "I need to believe in myself more" variety... especially since from here it basically became the Keyleth show as she mostly just solo'd Raishan herself anyway.
Keyleth made me so mad this season😂 she spends the whole time telling vm that raishan is evil but never providing any alternative solutions for dealing with Thordak. And there are multiple times when members in VM are like "I don't trust raishan either, but do you have any better ideas?" And she's stumped. But then she just runs off pouting and it is just so childish! She just has this attitude the whole season that really made it difficult to root for her at the end when she got her earth powers and stuff, it felt really anticlimactic for me, personally. Like keyleth was one of my favorites in the actual campaign her powers and story were super cool but in the animation, specifically this season she was fine in the other seasons, she is super whiny and it kills any badassary she had. Druids are my favorite class too it just makes me so sad!
Keyleth's whole S3 vibe has just been so triggering to me, and that's why it's such a valuable lesson- it's not enough to simply "know" or "feel" something, but to move forward with conviction in that awareness, and make choices accordingly is a very real struggle.
YES. Absolutely. Valuable lesson. And never let anyone make you question yourself. Always stand up for yourself even if everyone feels differently
Using triggering in 2025 doesn’t hit right, but i think i understand the rest of the point.
@@mythmakroxymore1670 it hits fine
Keyleth’s come a long way since Season 1.
She found love that keeps her tethered. She found her own path to becoming a leader. She’s survived undeath, passed through fire, braved the fey realm, went to hell and back, and conquered her nemesis.
And she did so by utilizing all she’s learned across three seasons to outlast and outwit her, baiting her into incinerating her own corpse, thus leaving the diseased ashes open to being “reclaimed” by the earth and free to be transferred back into her new body.
In other words, she _deceived the Deceiver,_ beating Raishan at her own game and reducing her to being the DECEASED Deceiver.
Couldn't agree more. I love that they gave the HDYWTDT to Keyleth. It was an epic battle with such a deadly, cunning creature. Although the Feeblemind from the OG campaign was plenty epic too.
I love this show so f*cking much
Major kudos to the storywriters, voice actors, and animators
This is the best series exclusive to Prime Video I have seen since Invincible
@@JWheel5id dare say its even better than Invicuble, which is still awesome
@@ndo533 touché
Hats off to both Marisha Ray and Cree Summer for really bringing this deadly rivalry to life, from all the way back in 1x2 “The Terror of Tal’Dorei, Part 2” up to this point.
And Keyleth did that _all without_ a vestige. 😊
i would say plot armor on top on that raisain could not use her new body efficient we saw thordak use his body much better
Kudos to Liam O'Brien's voice work in this scene
In my view, even if Keyleth was right about Raishan, the cold hard reality Vox Machina had was that there was no alternative.
Without Raishan they would not have been able to find The Plate, nor learn about Thordak’s plan.
The mistake they made with Raishan was not that they trusted her (they didn’t), but that they did not plan around Raishan inevitably stabbing them in the back.
Yeah pretty much what was the alternative? Engage Thordak head on? They tried that and look how that got them
I forget which episode but Liam called Thordak "Theordi La Forge" - and now LeVar Burton is playing undead Thordak (Filling in for Lance :( RIP)
I was surprised to read LeVar Burton in the end credits, but then I thought, “of course they got LeVar for this. The Critical Role crew is best buds with his daughter Mica.”
@@ffreedI heard Lance Reddick’s wife herself requested LeVar as well
4:25 At Least Vex give this Last Shot to Percy for This finale battle ❤️🔥🐐
Thats vax
It´s good to know that Vax knows how to use long range weapons being mainly hand-to-hand fighter
Yeah, Keyleth was right about Raishan, but Vox Machina was also right in following Raishan's advice on the Plate of the Dawnmartyr.
And yet, while it WAS effective against Thordak, Raishan knew that SHE would be unaffected by it.
@@AdamEspersonawell, they still needed the plate against Thordak. They just had to keep a closer eye on Raishan.
Well, they were on the same side up until they killed Thordak. Then it was a free for all
@AdamEspersona they knew that though, green dragons use posion, not fire. Still needed it.
No one ever said you had to fully and blindly trust her. You just can trust as long as Thordak is kicking she’s playing on your side (for now) or at the least playing all sides so she can come out ontop
Did anyone else noticed that the stones that Raishan used have symbols of a storm, waterfall, I think air, and probably the elements of each dragon that vox machina fight?
3:04 That’s gotta be the most raw "NOOOO!!!!" I’ve ever heard in animation nowadays. 😨😨 Liam literally became Spider-Man's peak voice acting.
That and him Screaming "THORDAK" right before he killed him were so fucking raw
If this finale proved anything….cant wait till whoever the next villain is, to appear.
I’m presuming they are going to absolutely reck shop.
This seaoson has truly been Keyleth's shining time. If *Se01* was _Percy's & Pike's_ season and *Se02* was _Vax's & Grog's_ season, then *Se03* is definitively _Vex's, Scanlan's_ and pretty much _Keyleth's_ season. 👌✨
Of course she was right! Why would they trust a green dragon!?
the Green dragon came to them as aly and atleast weakened Thordak
Because it was the only way they could win???
For the people commenting on the focus on Keyleth being right: The show is commenting on the fact about how much people hated on and doubted Keyleth in the og streams. It has nothing to do with the outcome of the fights or grudges that were between the charactee- but with the facts that her words, actions or opinions weren't seen as valuable (by the team or the audience) at the time.
If you think the focus is weird or undeserved- maybe think about it from her point of view. She had put her whole life (her aramente, helping her people) on stop for the team. But kept being treated as a spare piece. And the fact is, it had happened before, during season 2 when the fire ashari were attacked. They didn't listen, until it was almost too late.
The plot point is for Keyleth- she has good insticts, lots of potential and a solid leadership skills. She just needed to believe in that herself. And her team needed to realise that she needed them to be there for her and to support for that.
I think you nailed it right there.
She even said so: she had to trust _herself_ first. And she could upon realizing how much she needed the others. Especially the person she loves most. They are what keep her grounded and tethered.
They all learned a valuable lesson: to trust each other and to LISTEN.
@@AdamEspersona YES EXCATLY THIS!!!❤
Don't Underestimate keyleth
Raishan really shouldn’t have kept calling her “child” lol
@@AdamEspersona In the eyes of a dragon, everyone is a child.
1:06 Oh that’s some interesting lore right there. Anyone know more details?
There are two ways to read this: either Raishan was unwilling to see the Ashari’s motives as benevolent because they didn’t serve her, or their motives actually weren’t.
Nope, this is completely new and dosent even line up with what we know about the setting.
In the source material the Ashari had nothing to do with Raishan personally, and "chromatic" dragons have been enemies of humanity since almost as far back as the founding of the world.
"Claim nature for themselves" has to be an outright lie, the 4 Ashari tribes stay close to the 4 elemental rifts to guard them, theyre not out taking ownership of forests or whatever.
@@hhylobates4098 So maybe raishan's view on allies is servitude
@@itsjustvin7630Probably as they are dragons, they weirdly see anyone out of their species as they’re equal and also did you see the pattern of the rocks that Raishan used?
She’s a green dragon, they lie
It’s their brand
So..manipulation?
As a long time fan of Critical Role, I love how well done all of the fights in this show are. They do justice to each character moment
I wish we understood why the Ahshari poisoned Raishan. Other than her being a dragon.
Raishan freed Thordak from the prison the Ashari banished him from, as the Ashari took in a young girl who was Raishan in disguise
@@Tallacus that is not from the show was that from the critical role campaign?
Raishan sending those stones reminds me of that Megaman x8 boss that spammed crystal walls at you 😂
Earthrock Trilobyte?
I was thinking more Gravity Antonion with all the blocks appearing and altering the arena.
@@AdamEspersona that works too lol
I really want more Raishan lore, I love her
Raishan is such an idiot for someone so smart. Like really you thought it was smart to betray the people who just killed the most mightiest dragon?
The ritual to become a dracolich demanded her dying at The hand of someone who hated her, but as a dragon arrogance is also one of their core features
@@skalskabar2 Also they only managed to kill Thordak with a vestige that specifically countered his powers (And even then he still took a hell of a beating), something Raishan accounted for.
that dragon melted into goop
Keyleth was right about Raishan, but what other choice did Vox Machina have? They didn't exactly have tons of time and Keyleth was shooting down an immediate solution without providing one herself.
Wow, thanks for this being in my news feed spoiling the season for me
I'm surprised they posted the final battle so soon.
Raisan was such a good villian not like thordak who had uncertain priorities he first spoke about ruling people but burned and killed everyone then required gold then he became a parent like wtf what that crap.
Look like the Asharis had something to reproach to themselves.
You know, I really wish Raishan was truly on Vox Machina's side.
Me too 😔💔
I come here because I see a image of kratos and find someone named grog .....who I know is not Kratos before he says his name because he smiled ......Kratos never smiles
Man, these Last few episodes really was just keyleth Locking in.
Is this new ? I don't remember seeing this
I didn't like this all much, because there wasn't really much to do about Raishan. They would've never worked with her if they had a choice, but getting vague bad guy sense from someone they didn't trust to begin with didn't make a tangible difference on what the group could or could not do. The only option they had was to stab Raishan in the back right after killing Thordak but that would've just seemed like them being even blow her level.
First, it was Percy about Ripley and now Keyleth about Raishan. They really are idiots 😅
Percy died after removing his armor
Keyleth tricked Raishan in nick of time
@@SirsasthNigam. Percy warned Vox Machina about Ripley and Percy had a chance to kill her when she was in that prison cell but they stopped him because she was defenseless.
Keyleth warned Vox machina about Raishan and they should've let her die when she was burning to death.
And Looked what happened 😮💨😑
@@taraungoogle8482 So how are they able to beat thordak without the knowledge of the dawnmartyr and even then it was raishan's disease that affected thordak
How did that disease work on her when she's undead?
The “disease” accelerated the decomposition.
In reality the disease was a runic curse from the Ashari.
The disease was given to her by a Druid of The Wild Mother. Think of it more of a blood curse. I know mechanically the undead cannot be diseased in game. But in nature, disease and rot consumes any organic material.
So that could mean that Raishan could just ask Keyleth to remove it?
@@DHOZ-vd7sw
If they didn't hate each other, probably
@@DHOZ-vd7swprobably a complicated spell that Kayleth would have had to learn. Just like the earth ritual
We don't find out until the last episode of season 3 that Keyleth's people were responsible for infecting Raishan with a fatal disease. I think most people would agree that purposely infecting somebody with cancer, AIDS or Ebola is morally wrong- even if they are your enemy. I was like "so was that what this was all about". I think Raishan was justified in hating Keyleth and the Ashari.
Yeah, but considering Raishan was already VERY evil by that point (in fact her disease was basically a dying curse from the druids she murdered) I'm not all that sympathetic. Especially since she pretty much admitted the first thing she planned to do after being cured was commit wanton genocide.
@Igarappappa I agree with that. But, when I said Raishan may have been justified in hating the Ashari, I wasn't suggesting the destruction of the druid community was justified.
Perfect show with perfect story and perfect fight sequences
I haven't seen it yet so thanks for this massive spoiler 😅
Why only 5 minutes to beat the final boss?
Umbrasyl fight was more intense and cool
Here keleyth just did all alone
There's more to the fight before this, but it's also technically like another phase to the Thordak battle from episode 9 even if it's just his body that's being used.
@@SylvaGardenia yes two minutes of Vox machina vs raishan
Listen, i like this season but the dragons battles were really disapointing, only vorugal was acceptable, thordak dies after 3 attack and with no a real fight vs Vox machina full power, raishan was...this. The problem is that Anna Ripley and Orthax took to much screentime
@@matteomulazzani8571WDYM? Thordak had an entire army fighting him. 1v7 Thordak would’ve wiped them and they show that just as much.
@@matteomulazzani8571 I guess someone didn't watch the full show
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For the record, I was on Keyleth's side this whole time
Lady Keyleth is Right to be a True Leader of Vox Machina 🔥🌿
The sudden focus on how Keyleth was right all along feels... weird. Since like, duh? Nobody ever actually trusted her? It's just that her aid was necessary in defeating Thordak, since they wouldn't have beaten him without the Plate of the Dawnmartyr. Like, I get that the grudge is more personal for her, but come on.
Yeah but also gave her the means to become a Dracoliche and she gave them a vestige that doesn't even affect her
@@itsjustvin7630 Maybe, but Thordak was a much bigger, much more immediate threat. Whatever Raishan was planning wouldn’t matter if they all died to Thordak first. Should they have been more prepared for her betrayal? Maybe. Was it the wrong choice to accept her help? No, because they would’ve all died if they hadn’t.
@@GamerJosh2611 but in the end raishan barely helped other than giving information about a vestige that wouldnt work on her and even then it wasnt foolproof since Pike had a hard time using it til she stopped believing in her goddess. They still shouldve listened to Keyleth and had a contingency plan against Raishan
@@itsjustvin7630 She gave information that was VITAL to Thordak's defeat. Pike's struggle with using the plate wasn't Raishan's fault, and in the first place, she likely wasn't considering them not being able to use it because she GENUINELY wanted Thordak dead, even if only for her own purposes.
You can't say that Raishan barely helped, because as proven by their first attempt on Thordak's life, *they could not beat him without the Dawnmartyr.* Like it or not, if they ignored Raishan and refused to listen to her from the get-go, they would've failed to defeat Thordak and everyone would have died. That much is an undisputed fact.
Yes, maybe they should've been more ready for Raishan's betrayal, but Keyleth's whole bit that she goes through here is frankly just willfully ignorant and blatantly ignoring the bigger picture. "I should have spoken up, been more confident, stop everyone from listening to Raishan" despite the fact that if she had done ANY of those things, they would all be dead.
Sure, her grudge was personal, she wanted to avenge her people who were killed as a result of Raishan's actions. But willfully ignoring that it was necessary to save those who were still alive makes it a really shitty springboard for character growth of the "I need to believe in myself more" variety... especially since from here it basically became the Keyleth show as she mostly just solo'd Raishan herself anyway.
@GamerJosh2611 or not. They could just roll for another way and land a nat20 for search and discovery
Hi prime
Keyleth made me so mad this season😂 she spends the whole time telling vm that raishan is evil but never providing any alternative solutions for dealing with Thordak. And there are multiple times when members in VM are like "I don't trust raishan either, but do you have any better ideas?" And she's stumped. But then she just runs off pouting and it is just so childish! She just has this attitude the whole season that really made it difficult to root for her at the end when she got her earth powers and stuff, it felt really anticlimactic for me, personally. Like keyleth was one of my favorites in the actual campaign her powers and story were super cool but in the animation, specifically this season she was fine in the other seasons, she is super whiny and it kills any badassary she had. Druids are my favorite class too it just makes me so sad!
There are being the MVP in a team and then, there’s being the MVP AND the team
First ❤️🔥
Second
@@IrresistibleValentino Third
I wish we understood why the Ahshari poisoned Raishan. Other than her being a dragon.
Raishan freed Thordak from the prison they originally imprisoned him in