My mother's cousin - David Alford was on the Monarch as a navigator/second officer (not sure which). He can be seen (and elsewhere) on the left at 10:47 (th-cam.com/video/yqRj3lvvg7Y/w-d-xo.html). He went on to skipper the Monarch - and occasionally the Alert - in the '70s.
Too bad they don’t show a splicing operation, without which there would be no connectivity. Those phone people that block the roads aren’t doing it to annoy you, they’re doing it to splice more pairs for your computers to run on.
Agreed- I really wanted to see them splicing. How many pairs were in the cable? And I’d like to know how the repeaters were powered. Think about how important each vacuum tube was. Can’t replace a tube on the sea floor very economically!
Latency of submarine cables is far slower than the "speed of light" as gushed about in this documentary. I believe electrical signals did not cross these cables at even 20% the speed of light because of internal capacitance of the cable itself.
Expound on this. I just read a short article on wave propagation in a conductor. The article claimed that the Velocity Factor rarely fails below 60%. Do you have a link to a study that explained the shortcomings of early submarine cables?
i am always puzzled by films like this in that men, who must only have been in their 20’s or 30’s look so old. they all look about 20 older than they must have been.
Without this, we not be writing this today. How do the repeaters work? I was talking to an old telephone tech, he said there were pots along the way, and there would be 200-600 volts (necessary to overcome the resistance) in the center. I can't find much info about it. If one of the tubes burned a filament, where they SOL, or could they ping the repeaters somehow, swoop up the cable and fix them?
Friendship and cooperation? Oh Puh-leez! That was just nonsense public relations propaganda waste of breath. The only language spoken on this project to create the infrastructure for a new service was the ca-ching of charging for that service in the future.
60 years ago, Newfoundland was its own country, now its part of Canada. It's crazy to think that in 60 years all of Canada will be part of the United States!
You really had to experience these years. I was born in 57. I had relatives in Greece. One had to schedule with the overseas operator when to try and place a call. I remember several times in the 60s when my parents tried to talk to relatives in Greece. It was a big deal. Not routine at all
It's been 5 years but here's the wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_Ocean_Layer Says an electric stove was put under a bunk when it was still hot, starting the fire
a whole 36 calls! geez! Here's some cool stats on the economics. Those 36 calls had the potential to deliver $189 million in direct phone call revenue over a ten year life from a 1960 to the 1969. Adjusted for inflation that would be over $1.675 Billion in 2021 dollars. No wonder they got behind it! If by some grace of luck they could use the circuits for data transfer each individual line would have been able to transfer about 12 Gigabytes over that 10 year period (at 300 baud). If all 36 circuits would have magically been able to be used it would have transmitted a whopping 432 GB over 10 years at a cost of $189m. Not that it would have actually worked. In comparison I transferred 500GB of data from the US to a datcenter in europe last week and it took a bit over 2 hours. It's not even worth calculating the magnitude difference in cost. I wonder what that math will look like 50 years from now.
Does 36 circuits actually mean only 36 simultaneous calls or was multiplexing already a circuit utilization multiplying strategy when this cable was used?
how many miles of cable could be carried per ship per haul?? seems to me , 50 miles or so would be all the boat could carry but the video implies 900 miles at a time ( 4.7 million feet )
Anyone like Pink Floyd, listen to the end of "Young Lust" on "The Wall", the very end of the track (international dialing over these cables via MF). Quite trippy to those who know what it means.
I am so glad this plan is documented and not lost in history. :D
Clarenville is my hometown ☺️ I grew up less than a kilometer from the cable station.
Holy cow! Can you imagine being in charge of the project and getting woken up with “The cable ship caught fire at sea!”
It is going to be awesome when they will finish the project
Julija Van Dyk lol I hope you're joking because that was hilarious.
Still quicker than Australias NBN
So great to see this.Served on the Monarch 1968-69
My mother's cousin - David Alford was on the Monarch as a navigator/second officer (not sure which). He can be seen (and elsewhere) on the left at 10:47 (th-cam.com/video/yqRj3lvvg7Y/w-d-xo.html). He went on to skipper the Monarch - and occasionally the Alert - in the '70s.
Too bad they don’t show a splicing operation, without which there would be no connectivity. Those phone people that block the roads aren’t doing it to annoy you, they’re doing it to splice more pairs for your computers to run on.
Agreed- I really wanted to see them splicing. How many pairs were in the cable? And I’d like to know how the repeaters were powered. Think about how important each vacuum tube was. Can’t replace a tube on the sea floor very economically!
@@ut4321Coax cable I would think.
pretty impressed that ship caught fire like that, but never sank!
Latency of submarine cables is far slower than the "speed of light" as gushed about in this documentary. I believe electrical signals did not cross these cables at even 20% the speed of light because of internal capacitance of the cable itself.
Expound on this. I just read a short article on wave propagation in a conductor. The article claimed that the Velocity Factor rarely fails below 60%. Do you have a link to a study that explained the shortcomings of early submarine cables?
i am always puzzled by films like this in that men, who must only have been in their 20’s or 30’s look so old. they all look about 20 older than they must have been.
Without this, we not be writing this today. How do the repeaters work? I was talking to an old telephone tech, he said there were pots along the way, and there would be 200-600 volts (necessary to overcome the resistance) in the center. I can't find much info about it. If one of the tubes burned a filament, where they SOL, or could they ping the repeaters somehow, swoop up the cable and fix them?
I wish my science teacher showed films like this when I was in school instead of showing " Our Mister Sun " 2 or 3 times a year with Eddie Albert.
I couldn't get why they didn't use a second ship not to make it half way back to shore to reload cable, do you have an idea about it?
14:05 ...”Speaks the language of friendship and cooperation.” Wow, we need that here now in the US to the world.
Everyone had good work ethic back then. Welfare was un heard of. No we have a bunch of lazy asses with excuses
Friendship and cooperation? Oh Puh-leez! That was just nonsense public relations propaganda waste of breath. The only language spoken on this project to create the infrastructure for a new service was the ca-ching of charging for that service in the future.
60 years ago, Newfoundland was its own country, now its part of Canada. It's crazy to think that in 60 years all of Canada will be part of the United States!
dream on
I bet that was a pricy phone call in 1960.
You really had to experience these years. I was born in 57. I had relatives in Greece. One had to schedule with the overseas operator when to try and place a call. I remember several times in the 60s when my parents tried to talk to relatives in Greece. It was a big deal. Not routine at all
36 calls at one time... That's slower than 1 dial up connection in terms of data
what caused the ship to catch fire? the video glossed over that part with no explanation. or did I miss something.
There are archive pages with the UK government that say 'fire caused by stove' but they don't have details beyond that.
It's been 5 years but here's the wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_Ocean_Layer
Says an electric stove was put under a bunk when it was still hot, starting the fire
@@neutroxmusic7097 Thanks for posting the answer, was wondering about this!
Carrying 36 conversations at one time. Hilarious
Can anyone tell me if Hal Sutherland (He-Man cartoons) is related to John Sutherland who directed this feature ?
a whole 36 calls! geez!
Here's some cool stats on the economics. Those 36 calls had the potential to deliver $189 million in direct phone call revenue over a ten year life from a 1960 to the 1969. Adjusted for inflation that would be over $1.675 Billion in 2021 dollars. No wonder they got behind it!
If by some grace of luck they could use the circuits for data transfer each individual line would have been able to transfer about 12 Gigabytes over that 10 year period (at 300 baud). If all 36 circuits would have magically been able to be used it would have transmitted a whopping 432 GB over 10 years at a cost of $189m. Not that it would have actually worked. In comparison I transferred 500GB of data from the US to a datcenter in europe last week and it took a bit over 2 hours. It's not even worth calculating the magnitude difference in cost.
I wonder what that math will look like 50 years from now.
Does 36 circuits actually mean only 36 simultaneous calls or was multiplexing already a circuit utilization multiplying strategy when this cable was used?
how many miles of cable could be carried per ship per haul?? seems to me , 50 miles or so would be all the boat could carry but the video implies 900 miles at a time ( 4.7 million feet )
Who's here because they found a "Transcontinental Cable Route" warning sign in the woods? lol
Interesting !
I thought it was only lately that we made bad documentaries with horrible intrusive music! Uhmm?
Minute 11.50 , the Ray of Sun , i would say Earth is flat.
Anyone like Pink Floyd, listen to the end of "Young Lust" on "The Wall", the very end of the track (international dialing over these cables via MF). Quite trippy to those who know what it means.
Watch this at the same time
Yes! I love that song just to hear the telephone sounds. Those MF tones were how phone phreaking worked. In-band signaling could grab you a trunk!
The song "Money" was made using a uniselector to make the cash register sound.
Well, so much for satellites ;)
cap
good show nick pgh pa u.s.a.
I bet the fire was on purpose so ATT could get their money back that they paid to own and custom fit for this project.
My Grandfather was on Ocean Layer when it went on fire .
Did he personally know wanking pillock with a hot plate in his cabin that caused the fire?
Of course it is Alien Technology