First off, you need a LOT more subscribers. I'm glad to count myself among them now. And my opinion on the whole thing is that magick and religion are intimately related in a cause-and-effect relationship. Humans perceive things happening around them and look for answers. If it's something we're familiar with and understand the principles behind, we go "Ah, SCIENCE!". When something extraordinary happens? Something rare? People freak out, understandable. Then the term magick gets applied to all those things we don't have experience with. And while we grasp for the answers, we create our own by trying to create a logical framework based on some perceived authority (since we're still hierarchical primates), hence, religion. It gives an authoritative framework with its own internal logic to explain the unexplainable (at least at that particular time). As an example, to this day I cannot tell you the number of people I've spoken to who think Pompeii and Herculaneum were destroyed by the Christian God ...when that religion hadn't even left the Levantine yet! I think that it's that need for authority that puts religion and magick occasionally head to head - because I think that Alan Moore was right on the head when he quoted his meeting with his character, John Constantine: “I'll tell you the ultimate secret of magic. Any c**t could do it.” - And for religion, that's the problem. Religion is social and hierarchical, and therefore needs a center of control. Magick is the fabric of the universe. All you need to do is reach out for it.
Really informative overview. It seems to me there could be a relationship between the judeo Christian denouncement and imperialism. If magic was practiced by indigenous communities and ash cults, etc then it seems religion as an arm of political power would stand to gain converts, land and wealth from their destruction. The same goes for scientific pronouncements of "primitive" cultures...what do you think?
Thank you for the very interesting comment. There are certainly some scholars that would agree with your view. You might find interesting 'Genealogies of Religion: Discipline and Reasons of Power in Christianity and Islam' by Talal Asad and Marc Augé's 'génie du paganisme' (I believe there's no English translation).
Augé says that polytheisms are based on inclusiveness whilst monotheisms tend to be exclusivists. For instance, when the Romans conquered Egypt they didn't declare Isis to be a false Goddess but rather included her in the pantheon and celebrated her. It's actually a very complex matter, I might make a video on this in the future! Thanks again for bringing this up!
How about the modern Western fascination and, yes, blatant prejudice regarding ancient works like the pyramid being built with the assistance of "aliens"? As though our ancestors were idiots because they didn't have modern technology.
The Bible state, do not suffer a witch in your presence, yet the kings in the old testament never seem to have a problem finding one. In short magic spellcraft is for the nobles and not the common peasant folk. Another reason people frown or disregard the concept of magic, it requires study and effort. People just don't like to .. think .. or do more than what is require to get through a given day.
@@krispalermo8133 Ergo "common sense" becomes the equivalent of a superpower. And leads to the state of affairs we have today. Affluence and ease = willful ignorance.
There’s a debate on if Moses was using magic which he learned from God or if it was God himself doing it. However King Solomon definitely used magic. So there was magic in the Bible in the Old Testament so there’s magic in two religions right there. Love your video.
I'd also suggest that some practitioners using a foreign language ( Latin for example) in their spellwork makes it stronger because of the additional personal power that goes into learning and using a different symbol system than their everyday use because of that added focus to make it special. A linguistic Orobrous.
all religions are personal, when you come to examine them from the individuals perspective. I am an atheists, and the way I see it that magic is really similar to religion, or better a form of religious spirituality. A more proactive and more individualistic one.. I think chaos magic is the best tool to understand what magic really is: an illusion, a belief based illusion, like any metaphysical belief.
About magic being pseudoscience, I think Tyler is conflating reason and empiricism. Magic is not empirical like science is, but that is not the same as being irrational.
Sorry this is rather long. But the study of Metaphysics doesn't always take the materialistic approach. Kabbalah in itself is a Science, and a Spirituality. And you must remember that all of the Original Golden Dawn members were having some sort of scientific background. I mean, whenever you think about it, I really do think that "Magick" can be studied empirically and subjectively at the same time. Kinda like what happens whenever someone goes investigating into paranormal activity, they have to be objective and subjective for any type of evidence to be acquired. In fact, in most of my rites and rituals I do apply for the study of "Energy" that is wielded, both. But I don't do it for money, etc. It's just so someone will find my work at a later date and then understand what they're doing vs. Here's my spell book, and have no idea what ",forces" both cosmic and Natural one may or may not be wielding. I've duly noted in my works, that there's both an inherent connection to these "forces" and there's also a supernatural connection possibly an enhancement to these occurrences. There's old religious practices found in the world's religions today. In Catholicism, there's relics that have a supernatural connection possibly to G-d And then, there's also letters, like the one in the Prayer Booklet called La Pieta. Then, you have those same spiritual practices within Benedicaria and Segnature. The same goes for the Germanic Hexerei. My work doesn't go inconclusive, it's just sometimes a stale mate, because you've got works from several different non-italian people upon things that come from Italy. Like that of Charles Leland. In which we still look and come to argue in a scientific manner what he may or may not have found. Funny he never mentions Tarrochi (Originally a Portuguese game, that later the cards were used in Tarot readings as we find in Benedicaria practices.) Of course, whenever it comes to Aradia, I do believe that there were families that may have been Patrician families of the old Roman Religion, but turned to Catholicism, which I do believe that may be the case, because we do find that many people still you also find stories in Pompeii surrounding the ideas of those enslaved for all sorts of things. And I do believe that the work itself was concocted, having some key ideas, but not completely as I've also had pointed out to me. None of the Spells we're said in threes (not completely a Celtic thing). But enough of my rants. Hopefully Dr. Puca will be able to elaborate more upon the subject, because she's a Native Italian that knows both History, Mythology, and Practices of today in Italy.
I once learned at a Bible study club that the ancient Greek word for magic is pharmacopia. This ancient Greek word evolved into modern words such as pharmaceutical and pharmacy. If the medical prescription trade is secretly associated with magic, then by business theories medical corporations must compete against magicians, and one such technique in debate is to attack the opponents' reputations. The medical trade survives by means of its patients believing in the reputations of allied health, medical professionals, but if their patients are allowed to interact in a free market system, then some possible patients, business prospects, might channel toward magicians, and that would represent an economic loss to hospital corporations. The campaign to discredit magic is a long historic practice, people have a right to decide how their bodies may be treated, so essentially there is a legal principle involved which cannot be overturned by doctors whose industrial history of malpractices is actually worse than present magical practices.
Yes, I found a video that I had not seen. I will not be able to see any of ya video for 65 days. ( my dumb ass shoot my T.V. Back at the start of the cov19 so 65 days in jail for me.) I’ll be able to see more than one video. See you then Doc.
![ง้อ (ALRIGHT) - FOURTH [ TEASER ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ya6MBfo-Wvg/mqdefault.jpg)
BECOME MY PATRON! www.patreon.com/angelapuca
ONE-OFF DONATIONS paypal.me/angelasymposium
JOIN MEMBERSHIPS th-cam.com/video/R_rD7pnKqWI/w-d-xo.html
FOLLOW ME: Facebook (Angela's Symposium), Instagram (angela_symposium), Twitter (@angelapuca11).
We're so lucky to have such a great teacher like yourself.
How lovely to hear that. I'm lucky to have you in my Symposium, Michael! 🤗
First off, you need a LOT more subscribers. I'm glad to count myself among them now. And my opinion on the whole thing is that magick and religion are intimately related in a cause-and-effect relationship. Humans perceive things happening around them and look for answers.
If it's something we're familiar with and understand the principles behind, we go "Ah, SCIENCE!". When something extraordinary happens? Something rare? People freak out, understandable. Then the term magick gets applied to all those things we don't have experience with. And while we grasp for the answers, we create our own by trying to create a logical framework based on some perceived authority (since we're still hierarchical primates), hence, religion. It gives an authoritative framework with its own internal logic to explain the unexplainable (at least at that particular time).
As an example, to this day I cannot tell you the number of people I've spoken to who think Pompeii and Herculaneum were destroyed by the Christian God ...when that religion hadn't even left the Levantine yet!
I think that it's that need for authority that puts religion and magick occasionally head to head - because I think that Alan Moore was right on the head when he quoted his meeting with his character, John Constantine: “I'll tell you the ultimate secret of magic. Any c**t could do it.” - And for religion, that's the problem. Religion is social and hierarchical, and therefore needs a center of control. Magick is the fabric of the universe. All you need to do is reach out for it.
Thank you so much and thanks for sharing these thoughts! You can help me out by sharing my videos around or supporting my work on Patreon. :-)
Really informative overview. It seems to me there could be a relationship between the judeo Christian denouncement and imperialism. If magic was practiced by indigenous communities and ash cults, etc then it seems religion as an arm of political power would stand to gain converts, land and wealth from their destruction. The same goes for scientific pronouncements of "primitive" cultures...what do you think?
Thank you for the very interesting comment. There are certainly some scholars that would agree with your view. You might find interesting 'Genealogies of Religion: Discipline and Reasons of Power in Christianity and Islam' by Talal Asad and Marc Augé's 'génie du paganisme' (I believe there's no English translation).
Augé says that polytheisms are based on inclusiveness whilst monotheisms tend to be exclusivists. For instance, when the Romans conquered Egypt they didn't declare Isis to be a false Goddess but rather included her in the pantheon and celebrated her.
It's actually a very complex matter, I might make a video on this in the future! Thanks again for bringing this up!
How about the modern Western fascination and, yes, blatant prejudice regarding ancient works like the pyramid being built with the assistance of "aliens"? As though our ancestors were idiots because they didn't have modern technology.
The Bible state, do not suffer a witch in your presence, yet the kings in the old testament never seem to have a problem finding one.
In short magic spellcraft is for the nobles and not the common peasant folk.
Another reason people frown or disregard the concept of magic, it requires study and effort. People just don't like to .. think .. or do more than what is require to get through a given day.
@@krispalermo8133 Ergo "common sense" becomes the equivalent of a superpower. And leads to the state of affairs we have today. Affluence and ease = willful ignorance.
There’s a debate on if Moses was using magic which he learned from God or if it was God himself doing it. However King Solomon definitely used magic. So there was magic in the Bible in the Old Testament so there’s magic in two religions right there. Love your video.
interesting, Ryan
I appreciate the overview. I can't wait to see the video explaining what magic actually is from an academic point of view
Thanks, Trevor!
Love your new channel, looking forward to new vids. Keep up the great work!
Thank you SO very much! I'll do my best. :-)
Love you miss Angela. To furture simplify, symbols, like words make you hold inside a certain thought or feeling which aids in spellwork.
Thanks for providing a practitioner's perspective.
I'd also suggest that some practitioners using a foreign language ( Latin for example) in their spellwork makes it stronger because of the additional personal power that goes into learning and using a different symbol system than their everyday use because of that added focus to make it special. A linguistic Orobrous.
Amazing overview. Thanks
thanks
Stunning. Stylish. Brilliant.
thank you
Interesting 🤔🧐
Magic is a practice, an act…. And can be a practice within a religious construct or not.
Interesting take
Great video! thanks x
Thanks xx
Great subject! Would like to hear more. Oh I did find the music under the video very distracting (in a bad way).
thanks, Patrick. That's why I removed the music ever since.
all religions are personal, when you come to examine them from the individuals perspective. I am an atheists, and the way I see it that magic is really similar to religion, or better a form of religious spirituality. A more proactive and more individualistic one.. I think chaos magic is the best tool to understand what magic really is: an illusion, a belief based illusion, like any metaphysical belief.
thank you for sharing, very insightful!
Great!!!
ti è piaciuto il video? :)
I seen a lot of magic used in Judaism and it's quite interesting
it is indeed
About magic being pseudoscience, I think Tyler is conflating reason and empiricism. Magic is not empirical like science is, but that is not the same as being irrational.
Brilliant observation, Sean!
Sorry this is rather long.
But the study of Metaphysics doesn't always take the materialistic approach.
Kabbalah in itself is a Science, and a Spirituality.
And you must remember that all of the Original Golden Dawn members were having some sort of scientific background.
I mean, whenever you think about it, I really do think that "Magick" can be studied empirically and subjectively at the same time. Kinda like what happens whenever someone goes investigating into paranormal activity, they have to be objective and subjective for any type of evidence to be acquired. In fact, in most of my rites and rituals I do apply for the study of "Energy" that is wielded, both. But I don't do it for money, etc. It's just so someone will find my work at a later date and then understand what they're doing vs. Here's my spell book, and have no idea what ",forces" both cosmic and Natural one may or may not be wielding.
I've duly noted in my works, that there's both an inherent connection to these "forces" and there's also a supernatural connection possibly an enhancement to these occurrences. There's old religious practices found in the world's religions today. In Catholicism, there's relics that have a supernatural connection possibly to G-d
And then, there's also letters, like the one in the Prayer Booklet called La Pieta.
Then, you have those same spiritual practices within Benedicaria and Segnature.
The same goes for the Germanic Hexerei.
My work doesn't go inconclusive, it's just sometimes a stale mate, because you've got works from several different non-italian people upon things that come from Italy. Like that of Charles Leland. In which we still look and come to argue in a scientific manner what he may or may not have found. Funny he never mentions Tarrochi (Originally a Portuguese game, that later the cards were used in Tarot readings as we find in Benedicaria practices.) Of course, whenever it comes to Aradia, I do believe that there were families that may have been Patrician families of the old Roman Religion, but turned to Catholicism, which I do believe that may be the case, because we do find that many people still you also find stories in Pompeii surrounding the ideas of those enslaved for all sorts of things. And I do believe that the work itself was concocted, having some key ideas, but not completely as I've also had pointed out to me. None of the Spells we're said in threes (not completely a Celtic thing).
But enough of my rants. Hopefully Dr. Puca will be able to elaborate more upon the subject, because she's a Native Italian that knows both History, Mythology, and Practices of today in Italy.
🌛🌝🌜
Is it wrong to compare magic with mysticism?
I once learned at a Bible study club that the ancient Greek word for magic is pharmacopia. This ancient Greek word evolved into modern words such as pharmaceutical and pharmacy. If the medical prescription trade is secretly associated with magic, then by business theories medical corporations must compete against magicians, and one such technique in debate is to attack the opponents' reputations. The medical trade survives by means of its patients believing in the reputations of allied health, medical professionals, but if their patients are allowed to interact in a free market system, then some possible patients, business prospects, might channel toward magicians, and that would represent an economic loss to hospital corporations. The campaign to discredit magic is a long historic practice, people have a right to decide how their bodies may be treated, so essentially there is a legal principle involved which cannot be overturned by doctors whose industrial history of malpractices is actually worse than present magical practices.
🫀⚗️🫀
it'd be nice if you could talk about the 20th century, too.
thanks
@Brian Nielsen hahaha my bad
Did... Did you watch the video?
@@samuelshepard yep
Religion = Blind belief + Ritual A lot of magik is "blind belief + ritual" so magik is religious and related to religion much of the time..........
thanks for sharing
Yes, I found a video that I had not seen. I will not be able to see any of ya video for 65 days. ( my dumb ass shoot my T.V. Back at the start of the cov19 so 65 days in jail for me.) I’ll be able to see more than one video. See you then Doc.
thanks
Where you from? I'm curious cuz of the accent
I'm Italian
@@drangelapuca that's awesome :) I'm not Italian but due to my home I found out about stregoneria