Will Scotland be better off independent from the UK?
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- The same group of activists who recently asked me if Scotland could afford to be independent also asked me whether Scotland would be better or worse off than the rest of the UK after independence. In this video I answer this question in a number of ways. First of all, I say no one can be sure: the future is not ours to know. But that said, the UK looks to be making a right fist of almost everything right now. And Scotland is not. What is more, Scotland seems to have many more fundamentally good things going for it than the rest of the UK at this moment. So, on balance I am pretty confident that the answer to this question is 'yes'. In this video I explain why.
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I'm afraid , as a Scot , I definitely now want Scotland to separate from England , mainly because of what England has become .
Geographically?? Some effort that
And what has England become? A country where Rotherham could happen? Rochdale? Telford? Newcastle?
Mass atrocities against young English girls overseen by two Scots Tony Blaor and Gordon Brown?
Clear and concise; thank you very much for takiing the time to explain this in such simple terms for us that don't have a background in economics.
I think you always need to be wary when given an open question the answers are all in one direction without any negatives. This usually points to considerable bias.
Certainly seems the case for so many of the cases against independence but to be fair to Prof Murphy, he is quite balanced in his language. It is not out and out positive and involves qualitative definitions around uncertainty in his suppositions.
Of all the videos I have watched on this subject, this comes across as one of the more balanced as it takes into account future directions as well as how things are right now which is what so many detractors do.
I think the comments regarding renewables without the investment capability for the infrastructure boils down to little more than saying Scotland is wet and windy.
If they were to change tack and use the remote areas to install nuclear power plants then indeed they could become a major supplier of energy, whether it would ever be profitable is another story
Isn't the technology for wind energy still in its infancy? I've seen many claims the ability to store the energy just isn't there yet, so surely that renders wind energy useless right now?
There are plenty of ways to store excess energy and to release it when needed but it needs investment. When state owned, the national grid invested in pumped storage but none has been added since privatisation - PS seems a great solution for Scotland. As well as LI, there's also "sand batteries" pioneered in Finland. Energy is not just electricity.
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I looked at GERS report for 2021-22. Defence spending was £3.958 Billion or 4.1% of total expenditure. Then I did the same for the Republic of Ireland. It is 0.998 Euros(£0.87 Billion) or 1.24% of total expenditure. Similar sized populations, big coastlines with a relatively small border with the UK. The difference being the UK has -
1. 145 military installations in over 20 foreign countries
2. Nuclear deterrents in submarines and warheads
3. Aircraft carriers, destroyers and frigates etc
4. Tanks and other heavy armoured vehicles
5 Fighter jets, AWACs and other aircraft
6. Whitehall and several other large historical MOD HQ's.
And Scotland gets an 8.2% allocation of all this. An independent Scotland would have none of this. So it is not inconceivable that this current cost is £3 Billion overstated.
How many of the other allocated costs in GERS are similar?
Transport £4.48 Billion and 4.6% of total expenditure. Whereas ROI is 0.664 Billion Euros and 0.85% of overall expenditure. Is Scotland paying for HS2 and London Crossrail, when we get no benefit from it??
GERS is at best a fabricated estimate of Scotland's finances as part of the UK and has no resemblance to an Independent Scotland.
The Republic of Ireland effectively sponges off the UK for defense. They know that the Uk would defend the ROI out of self-interest if for no other reason. To attack the ROI you have to go through the Uk first. That is, of course, not true of Scotland, which would have stuff like the Noprth Sea to patrol. If the GERS is "fabricated", why do the SNP Scottish Government publish it, and why did they describe it as "the definitive statement of Scotland's finances" in the 2014 campaign? Whywas it used as a foundatiom fpr the independence White Paper?
@@richardgregory3684 🤣🤣🤣 "ROI sponges of UK" Fucking delusional. They have no need for a huge Defence budget. If they get attacked £4 Billion is as useless as £1Billion. Should they spend their total annual budget on Defence say 1 aircraft carrier and 10 Typhoon jets🤣🤣
@@graemeglass7566 The ROI has very low defense spending because it knows that (a) an attacker has to get through the UK first and (b) the Uk would be obliged to defend it out of self-interest anyway. So they get to have the benefits of being in NATO in all but name, but to keep their pretendy neutrality which allows them to penny-pinch of defense.
@@richardgregory3684 So in your scenario every small country should spend money needed elsewhere on Defence items that probably will make no difference to the outcome. I don't buy that. If the UK want to be a World power, economically and militarily then ity up to them.
You mentioned Scotland could get some of London's banking, but couldn't it get a whole lot more. Couldn't Scotland become an EU base for many British businesses that now find they need an EU office/presence. This could bring many jobs to Scotland. Also Ireland has seen a huge change in shipping routes as demand soars for goods moving between Ireland and the EU without crossing the UK. Scotland could possibly also benefit from increased shipping routes if it was in the EU and acting as a EU base for British companies.
And spain with basque country, catalonia, france with Brittany and Occitan , german with most parts having a independence movement would they allow that
@@caldinio Democracy must be respected...so the answer to your question is yes.
Scotland is not in the EU.
@@fitzstv8506 Democracy must be respected. We said NO in 2014, that vote WILL be respected
Can you do a longer one on this issue?
52 one hour one's should do or whatever you can mange.
The economy is becoming the question in Scotland. That's what you call a buying sign. Time to close the deal and take back control.
Also Scotland will have Proportional representation instead the UK's awful FPTP system.
Would England be better off outside the UK ?
Short answer right now, is no.
Saor Alba 2021.
@@wulfcogle9988 how come you think that Scotland would be
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Because England needs Scotland and not the other way!
@@brucemorland1406 hahaha deluded, I see Kim Jong Sturgeon has struck again 😆
I would prefer if England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales were all independent. We should all go back to being our own countries again!
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. I watched your other video about the question of what currency ‘independent’ (because every country is dependent to some extent) Scotland would use, and this video seems to be slightly contradictory. In the video about currency you said Scotland would have to have its own currency. In this one my impression is that you think separation is worth the risk, regardless of the currency arrangements. I agree we need a lot more detail from the SNP, certainly before I decide either way. I’m not risking my pension, ISA and value of my income for a vague promise.
www.thenational.scot/news/19158208.open-minds-9-pensions-will-protected-independent-scotland/
I think you could have found this out for yourself. I found it in 10 seconds.
Wind power? Very apt given all the hot air here. How can you hold up Ireland as an example as to how independence can work? They owe £250bn and are struggling financially. Scotland run crazy deficits and combine that with the HUGE cost of setting up Scottish bodies to cover jobs currently done by UK gov. It would be near impossible to recover especially considering we'd take a share of UK debt in a divorce.
Really? And when does England pay back its debt? You assume that somehow Scotland would need to pay it back but have you seen anywhere that England needs to pay its hefty debt back?
'Scotland run crazy deficits', again, really? Norway managed and manages fine without England so unless 'we' are uniquely gormless then we can assume that Scotland running in the red is Yoon tosh.
@@chancergordy You have shown a complete lack of understanding. Also Norway did the right thing with oil in the 70's and nationalised it. We didn't so oil companies in UK get profits not the government. We just tax them. Too late for us now on oil.
he didnt "hold up Ireland as an example as to how independence can work" - he used it as an example in one factor it could be competitive on as the gateway to europe based on ireland using the euro and scotland potentially having its own currency
Scotland has more resources than England! The question would be would England be better off without Scotland and the answer would be no
@@mr-mrsknow-it-all2998 Did you miss the bit about tidal energy (yes, tidal, which comes and goes twice a day, every day, 365). How would England benefit from Scottish independence?
Yeah no. Norway has all the oil because the UK gave them to them BECAUSE we are going green soooo actually no. Scotland is gonna fall so fast lol
@@Linz0440 Did you miss the fact that the Scottish people get 30% more funding per person than the English? Paid for by the English? We even pay their free dental treatment while paying for our own. And still Scotland has a huge dept. If UK breaks up the English will get it's own parliament back instead of being run by foreigners. (the British state) Scotland would also lose everything that's British and Royal. The English would benefit greatly compared to the rest of the UK.
@@mr-mrsknow-it-all2998 You know what would be really good for your knowledge level? Listen more to what Richard has to say, in particular, stop thinking that 'English people' pay for S ottish stuff. If the English people want those things the Scots get, they shoud vote for a party that delivers them. If you don't want either the Scots or English folk to have them, then maybe you are just bitter.
@@kingbread5808 Hahhahahahahahahahahaha! Next.
Now an interesting one would be two Could Wales be independent and could it be better off?
Course we couldn't. Smaller population...we all know as well. People say they would like to be independent, but it's a fantasy. I doubt they would poll 10%. Just like the Scottish vote.....collapses when it gets to the crunch.
@@Clem_Fandango11 The union does not do any favours for Wales, starved of resources and ignored by Westminster. Given the economic leavers that independence would provide we could become a wealthy country.
@@docksider How exactly? We have no resources. Westminster funds us and we have devolved powers, which sadly are in the hands of a clueless Labour administration. How does a population of 3million generate 15billion quid for a health service alone, or public services or pensions? How does a Welsh national bank generate money for loans? The list of costs is endless. Like Scotland, its easy to blame westminster when they issue is closer to home and the people like Sturgeon who are put in power.
@@Clem_Fandango11 We have resources, we produce twice as much electricity as we consume, we produce food, we export more than England does, we would pay for things in the same way as the UK does, borrowing. And given the state of Wales its hardly an advert for how good the Union is as it has impoverished us.
@@Clem_Fandango11 yes Scottish support crashed from under 20% when SNP canned onto power to 47%...
As long as Scotland doesn't rush it, remains realistic and doesn't try to wing it like the Tories did when they went ahead with Brexit.
@happy h Why don't you leave and make it easy for us?
@happy h'you lot' ok
@happy h Surely you are being 'cute' with your comments, I mean, I trust no one could be so stupid. But, playing with the crowd, You think the Tories are great negotiators? Let's start with that shall we. I warn you, be careful of your reply, as I do know what i am talking about. Now don't be shy.
Looking forward to tidal energy.
Scotland needs to 1. Strike a free trade agreement quickly with Rump UK 2. Develop a Scottish central bank with currency issuing and reserve powers. 3. Leave NATO 4. Apply to join EFTA
We certainly have a few options.
Saor Alba 2021.
No. We should not leave NATO. Which other group of countries do you propose we join? Russia or China....absolutely not!!!! Just plain dumb.
@@andrewwotherspoona5722 Ireland, Sweden and Finland are not members of NATO..
If we stay in NATO we can then offer the use of our ports and airbases to fellow NATO members for nothing, let the Americans set up at Lossiemouth or even Leuchars, brings money into the economy.
Wouldn’t Scotland be required to adopt the Euro if it were to join the EU? If so, then how might that affect its prospects?
Sweden hasn't.
If you start the process towards the Euro then you must complete but you don't have to start. Europhudge.
@@julianshepherd2038 are you sure?
It's not compulsory to take the euro
There is a "commitment to join the Euro", but there is no time limit placed on any new member. Also, in order to join the Euro you have to join the ERM2 (which is entirely voluntary) and in order to do that you have to have your own currency for at least 2 years. Add to that the fact that nobody can force a currency on a country that doesn't want it.
@@TheDottaman that sounds very flexible..so no efta opition..
I believe Scotland would be better off independent. For a start we will finally get a government we actually vote for. That in itself is better than what we currently have.
If Independence is done correctly & legally it will be better off. If it’s rushed and without consideration for all the economic challenges, then Independence will be a disaster.
This is a turning point for Britain it won't be called the United Kingdom anymore as Scotland will soon be Independent, N Ireland will soon join Ireland so Wales and England will have to be called rUK (rest of the UK) or little Britain.
The spite that runs through you people is really something to see. You're like children
Pensions
Subscribed for the economics, unsubscribed when it turned into a left leaning party political broadcast!
so rather than economics you were really looking for right wing mental gymnastics. i see
Look forward to this.
Nope.
Will Scotland prosper as an independent country? My anser: Yes, if it is willing to align closely to it's neighbours. But as this seems to be the case all lights are on green!
The Wind-Energy argument was also spot on!
For a political economist you seem to show a lack of understanding when it comes to immagration. And imply that it is racial preducdise. I would disagre with that and say immagration is a double edged sword. Done well it can be good both economically and for having a diverse society. Done badly and mass immagration can flood the job market with low cost labour and as a reault surpress the wages of the people who are already within that sector. When the later happens immagration becomes a problem for those parts of our community and when those problems and concerns go ignored the tension builds and builds.. And results in an Anti freedom of movement sentiment and brexit as a result.
*What's Immagration.*
@@Jesus-kt5dc i am dyslexic smartarse
@@darrylhewes2376 very funny....dyslexia a joke and ignorant of immigration in economic terms as well. I think you demonstrate his comment on certain attitudes to immigration all to well!
@@NB-xq4qt why dont you give me your take on the impacts of mass immagration then so we can have a debate..
@@darrylhewes2376 ill refer you to the works of economists like
Stiglitz etc... They have nobel prizes, profferships degrees awards etc in economics... Go argue with the real experts... Or maybe just read what they say first then comment with your oh so we'll thought out theories .oh and why he mentions immigration is that Scotland needs it... We welcome young new blood to help build a better stronger country... Kind of like what's happened in this country for thousands of years if you bother to study history. Again if you want thoughts of history I'll advise you study history and not take me word for it.. Plenty of books or there on both economics and history... Simple really.
You missed an important point. Expertise, investment and the will of the Scottish government to carry out your pie in the sky argument. The infrastructure needed for renewable energy is highly expensive. Are they going to throw money down the drain on experimental tidal energy?
Who's going to fund it?
Your view on this subject is lacking clear insight.
The Danes had 49% of all energy from off shore. You telling me companies won't buy into this ?
@@TheClaptonisgod1 What's stopping companies from investing now?
@@MR-X-. possibly Britain having its worst economic crash since yonder and then there's the shabby mess of Brexit, then the uncertainty from covid, and of course many could be waiting to deal with a new E.U neighbour.
@@TheClaptonisgod1 cool story. You've just confirmed there's nothing stopping a company from investing in wind or tidal energy in scotland now or previously.
Your argument is pie in the sky.
@@MR-X-. Money down the drain. (See electric cars, space exploration etc)
Oh wait? People are investing billions to reduce or remove carbon as our source of energy and flying things off to Mars and the likes. Silly me. Imagine people funding these crazy concepts.
SO WHEN YOU ACADEMICALLY POSE SUCH A QUESTION YOU LOOK AT THE STRENGTH, WEAKNESS, THREAT AND OPPORTUNITY. NOT A SINGLE DOWNSIDE TO INDEPENDENCE? THIS WAS MORE LIKE A PROPAGANDA VIDEO. NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT THERE ISN’T A CASE FOR INDEPENDENCE OR 50 % OF SCOTS ARE MAD WHICH THEY AREN’T. BUT COMPLEXITY DESERVES PROPER DEBATE - WHERE ARE THE DOWNSIDES AND THREATS AND THEN A BALANCED ASSESSMENT? ABSOLUTELY BLOODY NOWHERE. WORST PEICE YOU HAVE EVER DONE RICHARD
maybe intelligent and proper debate could start with not writing your whole message in caps?
i've surfed around independence discussions for the last few months as an outsider, but on balance i think it's beneficial to scotland.
firstly, rejoining the eu. despite what some may say, as long as the independence is achieved legally, i.e. through a section 30 order or a ruling from say the supreme court, then there is no reason for spain or indeed any other country in the eu to veto it; in fact spanish officials have reiterated the opposite, once in 2012 and again in 2018. furthermore, this isn't internal expansion of the eu, as the uk is no longer in the eu, so it doesn't set precedent for say catalonia or flanders. and according to experts on eu and efta matters, the registration time is roughly the same, so i think the snp's move of rejoining the eu rather than joining efta or the eea is a wise move. and rejoining the eu allows full trade to occur between scotland and other eu countries, chiefly ireland, france, netherlands and germany. it also allows scotland to participate in programs that have benefitted many on both sides, e.g. erasmus.
second, trade with rUK. many unionists seem to think that most of scotland's trade being with the rest of the uk is a compelling argument, and that all trade with the rest of the uk would immediately end after independence. that's most definitely not the case, considering the uk is still trading with ireland and the eu more generally, just at a lower capacity.
but scottish independence allows scotland to establish trade relationships and regulations independently of westminster, which seems intent to deregulate as much as possible, from its desire for an american trade deal to the planned import of brazilian substandard beef. scotland on the other hand is seeking to abide by eu standards such that eu accession can be fasttracked. going forward i think that an independent scotland would seek to redirect its attention to continental europe as well as ireland, rather than the rest of the uk. i do acknowledge that trade barriers would be created between scotland and rUK, but i think on balance putting more trade into a much larger market on the continent is worth the reduced trade between scotland and england, wales and maybe northern ireland.
three, emotional arguments. these are used on both sides, unionists pull out the 300 year old strong union argument, nationalists pull out the "stop being ruled by westminster" argument which regular citizens will never understand. on balance, with the general demographics and political alignment of scots, i think they are more likely to adhere to the latter.
theres alot more i can talk about, but i await your response
@@Armadeus I don’t disagree it’s not beneficial - there are positives but there are also negatives. Richard piece was all positive spin and to be objective I expected a but... and then an option to balance opposing views. There was none. And it was late at night so stop being pedantic about capital letters you square lol
reserved matters as per Scottish government website -
Social security and welfare -
pros if Scotland wants more progressive welfare it can choose to do so
cons it will need to pay for it alone and the question is can it?
Immigration -
pros you can have a flexible open door arrangement and if you get into euro operate free movement of people and even join schengen early
Cons - how will you police the southern border and immigration control with those outside of Eu and who pays? More costs for scotland possibly?
Defence
dependent on you views on trident I dont see many pros. Defence is always collective with nato etc and the British army was developed to protect the whole island. Complicated one this - suppose you could agree to stay in British coalition army? Really difficult one this for me
Foreign policy
Pros - you can promote policy that reflects the values of the Scottish people
Cons - you will be as loud and influential as Cyprus on the international stage and at roughly £10million to run an embassy for a year how many will you open, at what cost and is it worth it? Maybe it is - I dont know as its very personal
Employment may as well link in with trade and industry -
Pro you can rejoin the eu
Cons can you join the eu? What currency and devaluation may you suffer? What will be cost for adopting euro if any? What will deal look like with UK your largest trading partner? How will immigration control be managed between Uk and Scotland? Will you need austerity measures to balance the books to get back into EU? Is this cost worth it and who suffers most?
Nuclear energy, oil, gas, and electricity
Pros Scotland has the resources and location and innovative population to excel and reap all the rewards for themselves
Cons - less leverage internationally but in truth see pros far outweigh the cons unless you wanted to go green via nuclear and the financing question raises its ugly head again. I would hazard a guess that if Scotland goes independent it must have its own currency and albeit it can raise GBP cash reserves via taxing in Scottish currency I would guess these government bonds short to medium term will have a higher price?
Broadcasting, consumer rights, data protection and constitution are left and perhaps I am being wrongly dismissive but do not think Scots are voting for this reason.
So its not clear cut as there lots of questions that need thinking about on both sides. I think an independent Scotland could work really well - but it could also fail quite badly. Thank god I dont have to make this decision.
Finally of course there is unintended consequences and be under no doubt businesses will go under and jobs lost during a change - just as jobs may be created and new companies formed. In that wreckage is peoples lives.
No one can read the future or we would all be millionaires. I never trust anyone who says they know all the answers. what I find so odd about Scottish independence is for me it looks far riskier than brexit but the manner its being portrayed is totally the opposite. Weird. Still as I say not my decision but wish Richard would have touched a little on this to give his article some balance
Enjoy your videos but respectfully disagree.
1)The UK aren’t proactively creating barriers with the EU. The EU are playing hard ball (see the coronavirus scandal/financial services)
2) Renewables is a weak model to run an economy (yet). It’s not instantaneous and a long term plan. ‘In the Long run we’re all dead’
3) Create own financial sector? Let’s not live in fantasy land. Nowhere near the resources or pull to dethrone city of London. Will have to live by the EU red tape and not be nimble enough.
4) Scotland haven’t had the major migration from Eastern Europea that has effected London/English cities. Look forward to how welcoming Scots are when large Roma communities move from Eastern Europe to places such as Troon, Inverness, Aberdeen in limitless numbers. Oh, and take Welfare in the form of housing, benefits, NHS and school places. Good luck picking up the bill
Fun fact: If Scotland had voted for independence at the last referendum they’d have defaulted many times over and be poorer than Greece (North Sea oil rent collapsed). Fact.
This could be described as somewhat misleading whilst also skating over the really important stuff: Where's the currency? Where's the central bank? Who is the lender of last resort?
As for Scottish education being "world class, " well, bits of it are & the majority of it was but that was some time ago. Overall that's now a risible claim on the basis of all recent figures, its in a mess. Same for a number of other key issues & then there are the endemic social issues - especially drugs which is a symptom of a deep underlying malaise. All these things go to the competency of the devolved administration because they are all devolved matters. Nothing to do with London.
Claims as to the benefits of renewable energy are also highly questionable. You can't easily export electricity - well you could, but only as far as Northern England - if they want to buy it. After that transmission losses make it a non starter. You also can't exactly stick it in a tanker & send it round the world. Scotland's RE tech is nothing special, it can be bought anywhere. RE also still requires significant subsidy levels. You need cash to pay for those.
A large number of UK public sector jobs are indeed in Scotland. Post indy those will have to go south (because why would the UK leave them in Scotland?) . Scotland will then not need the number of public sector employees it currently has resulting in significant unemployment. Public sector employees tend not to adapt that well to the private sector. Not saying they can't but they don't tend to.
Same issue for the Dockyards & defense industries etc . Then there is Capital flight to deal with. At the first hint of Indy the amount of significant money that will exit Scotland and the speed of its exit will make your heads spin. No CEO of any significant company is going to leave his organisation exposed to a new country and especially not a new currency which may get devalued at the drop of a hat.
Comments about the direction of the rest of UK are also highly opinionated & questionable. Books could be written to debunk most of what has been said here. The EU is not the rest of the world., not being part of it is not the end of the world. The future of the EU is not exactly guaranteed either. Scotland's membership of the EU is in no way guaranteed & indeed it would be very difficult for it to pass the entry criteria as they stand. Besides that, why would the EU want another non net contributing member?
But people can make their own minds up whether it would be a good idea to bet the farm based on reasoning this shallow. Personally I'd run a mile if that is the extent of the reasoning to enable the cutting of ties with the rest of the UK. A lot more facts and a semblance of a credible plan are needed & this is definitely not it.
Think your comments could be classed as somewhat misleading....same old Westminster rhetoric....
@@tolor3254 Only asking questions that never get answered. Ignoring these things & burying your head in the sand won't make them go away
Whatb an imagination you got. You okay, hun? 🤔
@@LarsOfMars. So no actual answers then? By all means address the issues & try & take it apart. Always happy to learn if you've got something based on facts, not fantasy.
@@IDM328 You claim these questions never get answers. The white papers for proposals on currency in an independent Scotland have been publicly available since 2013 on the Scottish Government website. There's also details on defence, etc. Another area to direct your attention is the Commons Library. The information is out there, and has been for years.
There are of course sections of proposals that are just that, proposals as they require full separation after independence.
When I was in UK. I saw empty boarded up streets under a constant grey sky, litter everywhere.
Homeless people sleeping in doorways. Opioid addicts out of their mind and women so drunk they urinated on the streets. It's a sad declined country
The U.K. is more than a few streets long. Where exactly were you?
@@thomastallis7245 Hull. The armpit of the world.
Oh wow!!
I’ve driven through there many times. I think Hull could Rival Slough with its drab architecture. 😂
@@Abraham_Tsfaye So let me get this straight. You travelled all the way from your own griefhole of a country to visit ( checks notes) HULL? Really?
HULL? 😂
@@thomastallis7245 I travel boy. I travel. Put 'Brent is refreshingly laid back for a man with so much responsiblility'.
In all seriousness. Can I ask you a question?
Who does your tampons?
More importantly, will the rest of the UK be better off if Scotland leaves the UK.
Personally my dear,I don't give a damn.
Freed from imperial nostalgia.......hard to tell.
England would need to reinvent itself in terms of its economy. They make very little that the world needs to buy.
They won't, that's why Westminster keeps saying 'no'.
@@djsasha013 Exactly, without Scotland the rest of the UK will go bankrupt.
Lefty , don't bother 😜
This video is so wrong it's difficult to know where to begin. The answer to the question is probably no. Now let's move on.
So you are more of an expert than Richard Murphy?
Based on what, your feelings? If not, let's see your working
Let's face it, Benjamin, that's not the _real_ reason that you don't know where to begin!
@@franklove9897
Richard Murphy isnt an expert on these topics, he's a crank.
@@NB-xq4qt
If you list all the qualified people who agree with Richard Murphy on this topic you'll find it's a pretty short list. It's exactly one: Richard Murphy.
Look at credible academics and they all disagree with him. People like David Bell prof of Economics from Stirling University. Ronald MacDonald prof of Economics from Glasgow University, the Fraser of Allander Institute, the Scottish fucking Government disagrees with this idiot.
Wheeling out this "expert" as if he's some sort of Messiah just exposes how devoid of a factual basis for argument your movement has. It's been 14 years and you still can't put forward a credible economic case that doesn't rely on conspiracy theories and misrepresentation - because there isn't one!!
Please stop making these Scottish independence video's as there is no point to them as Scotland can't hold an independence referendum without London's Permission and approval of a Section 30 order which Westminster will never allow, Scotland will be part of the UK Union in the year 2030, move on.
Still ok to have the intelligent discussion though, isn’t it? Or do we get Westminster approval to research and discuss only topics which they like to hear about?
@@dougblease5170 ok but Scotland will never be an independent Country in our lifetime as England will not allow it.
Westminster has no power to stop the people of Scotland enacting democracy for themselves as enshrined in the Scottish Claim of Right, and ratified by the UK parliament in 2019. You're always free to leave the room if you don't care to hear the topic of discussion, though I suggest you stick around and learn a thing or twa'.
@@johnduncan7574 England has no power to prevent any partner in the United Kingdom leaving. It's literally written into law. Check the Commons Library for full information.
@@thomastallis7245 so why does Sturgeon the dictator keep asking The Prime Minister Boris Johnson for a Section 30 order to hold a referendum.