Why Did the SNP Do So Badly?

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  • @TLDRnews
    @TLDRnews  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +626

    At 03:45 we refer to the SNP as the "Scottish Nationalist Party" when it should be the "Scottish National Party". This mistake should have been caught in the script edit, we apologise and will endeavour to do better next time.

    • @keithyoung810
      @keithyoung810 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The SNP are Scot Nationalists

    • @rangerista3933
      @rangerista3933 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      Why the apology, they ARE a nationalist party, with everything that brings.

    • @wullie31
      @wullie31 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +134

      @rangerista3933 They're a nationalist party, but their name is the Scottish National Party. Fairly simple to understand,.

    • @heycidskyja4668
      @heycidskyja4668 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +129

      ​@@MrFilmSmith It was a simple mistake, don't be so touchy or read into it overmuch.

    • @thevis5465
      @thevis5465 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rangerista3933 youre an actual fool

  • @tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957
    @tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +226

    Scottish independence really hinges now on Labour's performance in Westminster.
    If they fail to noticeably improve things, then the soft support for independence driven by dissatisfaction with Westminster (i.e. the last 14 years of the Tories) will remain, and perhaps even sharpen.
    On the other hand, if Labour do start to turn things around, then a large chunk of less invested pro-independence voters will no longer be particularly bothered

    • @robcarrol
      @robcarrol 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Support for Scottish independence has nothing to do with Labour, people will vote based on their experience of the past 17 years under the SNP. And when Labour start to improve the economy, the NHS, education, and all these things continue to get worse in Scotland despite sky-high taxes, then 2016 could be an extinction event for the SNP.

    • @runawaywolf2570
      @runawaywolf2570 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      100% agree. The concept of independence didn't just appear on a whim one day. There's real dissatisfaction at how Westminster distributes opportunity in the UK, most of it barely makes it to The North, let alone the land beyond.

    • @keithheaven176
      @keithheaven176 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Keir Starmer's proposed meetings with the heads of devolved governments suggest a promise of greater cooperation rather than the top-down diktat of Tory government. Let's hope it works. Nobody either side of the divide wants a messy divorce.

    • @andrewwotherspoona5722
      @andrewwotherspoona5722 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Bingo. Let's see how the Labour Party performs. Things need to improve. Otherwise, the votes will swing back and this time they won't come back.

    • @tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957
      @tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@robcarrol the SNP aren't the be all and end all of independence though
      Sure, right now they are the most likely vehicle for it, but the desire for independence can still exist without the SNP
      I had an interesting thought earlier, that the Scottish wings of the current UK parties would probably all still exist and compete for power in elections in an independent Scotland. The only real difference from today, perhaps, being that the Tories would explicitly want to rejoin the UK

  • @louisjefferies2733
    @louisjefferies2733 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +786

    The craziest election result for me was that an incumbent SNP MP (Richard Thomson) lost to a Tory who has not been an MP

    • @entfj
      @entfj 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +374

      Losing to a Tory in 2024 is an insult itself

    • @professorminstrels6460
      @professorminstrels6460 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      He wasn't ousted by a tory, his seat was abolished

    • @pirakaleader2
      @pirakaleader2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

      @@professorminstrels6460was my constituency, he was still standing in this election against the tory who won

    • @professorminstrels6460
      @professorminstrels6460 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@pirakaleader2 link to it? Cant find it online

    • @louisjefferies2733
      @louisjefferies2733 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@professorminstrels6460 but the seat ue contested still contained a large portion of his original seat

  • @VivienBTW
    @VivienBTW 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +391

    2019 was all about Brexit. SNP had the clearest plan about what to do about it, meanwhile Labour had the worst infighting within the party on which stance to take.

    • @AnthonyAfrikaans
      @AnthonyAfrikaans 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They had the clearest plan to Fugh Scotland into the ground even harder by becoming the 63rd largest economy and then sinking even lower.
      Independence is worse than Brexit. It’ll be 10x worse.

    • @Matthew-bu7fg
      @Matthew-bu7fg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      ironically Starmer carved his own route to power by advocating that Labour went down the second referendum path which ultimately led to a pretty predictable failure and ensured Starmer got in as next leader

    • @mattbooth307
      @mattbooth307 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      @@Matthew-bu7fg Nah, second referendum is what Labour members wanted and it's what a large portion of the country wanted. In 2019, Labour get 10m votes, around 32% of the total votes, Liberal Democrats got another 11% of 3.6m and SNP 4% at 1.2m. In total, more than the Tories 43%
      The idea of a second referendum was not moot and was not really rejected by voters. The problem was that Corbyn was deeply unpopular in the parliamentary party and was the front of significant in-fighting all the time, but Corbyn also piled on votes in already strong Labour areas, which meant those votes didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

    • @leikfroakies
      @leikfroakies 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@Matthew-bu7fg Labour went up in the polls when they adopted the 2nd referendum position. John Curtice characterised the red wall seats in 2019 as being of low turnout amongst remain supporters.
      Corbyn is responsible for 2019, not Starmer

    • @OsirusHandle
      @OsirusHandle 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ​@@mattbooth307Corbyn was clearly more popular than starmer is though, even if he was also more controversial.

  • @achintyachaudhary14
    @achintyachaudhary14 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +461

    We got Jack recording from the couch before GTA 6 🗣️🔥‼️💯🚨

    • @heycidskyja4668
      @heycidskyja4668 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      TLDR giving Jacob Rees-Mogg vibes. If the subject of the video was an English political topic would they be so casual? Perhaps they're less bothered about Scottish matters.

    • @tmoosy
      @tmoosy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@heycidskyja4668get out of here ya wet wipe

    • @riverkath
      @riverkath 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      @@heycidskyja4668Or they just wanted to be comfy. That sofa does look comfy.

    • @heycidskyja4668
      @heycidskyja4668 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@riverkath I think Jacob Rees-Mogg just fancied being comfy in the Commons too.

    • @BIGJXXX
      @BIGJXXX 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol

  • @langleymneely
    @langleymneely 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I’m American and have become fascinated by UK politics in the last week! I found your channel and I am loving it! It’s been a crash course in all things Parliamentary and ever since having insomnia on July 4th and watching the election results I can’t seem to not want to learn more!? For instance my first time hearing that Nicola Sturgeon was arrested last year was this video! It just sent me down a Scottish Independence rabbit hole…
    You’ve now just given me another thing to obsess over while procrastinating over more important things! Cheers!

    • @debbiegilmour6171
      @debbiegilmour6171 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don't rely on this drivel for anything related to Scottish politics, history or current affairs.
      Go and look for things like Common Weal or Bella Caledonia. They are written by people from here and that live here.

    • @terencequinn2682
      @terencequinn2682 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      - warning alert … English interpreters of Scotland and Northern Ireland politics is always ‘ seen through a glass darkly’. The gerrymandering of NI politics to suit the UK government and in particular unionist / conservatives is the great unspoken truth.
      In Scotland we very very often tactically voted to get rid of the corrupt self serving tories, also there is practically no media in Scotland which is fair or balanced politically, so a 50% independence support is an astonishing fact.
      Ireland will re-unite within my lifetime and Scotland will quite likely follow when those self serving corrupt class ridden tories get back into power -as they inevitably will.

    • @browngaymethodistjesuschri1361
      @browngaymethodistjesuschri1361 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@terencequinn2682have you finished your beer yet?

    • @captainjames4649
      @captainjames4649 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@terencequinn2682 and your view of it is any more accurate?

    • @terencequinn2682
      @terencequinn2682 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@captainjames4649 - or yours “captain”

  • @RonJhadm
    @RonJhadm 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +237

    Is the couch comfy? Lmao

    • @mrennie5158
      @mrennie5158 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s got nothing to do with these minor in comparison to Westminster “scandals” . The average Scottish voter cares about economic stability, and seeing which way the political wind is blowing. Nothing the SNP did “wrong” holds a candle to the disgrace that is Westminster tories.

    • @mildlydispleased3221
      @mildlydispleased3221 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​@@mrennie5158What?

    • @JewTube001
      @JewTube001 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@mildlydispleased3221 sometimes when you scroll up and down while replying to something it'll go under another comment

    • @artair70
      @artair70 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mrennie5158 Ah yes the constant bashing of the tories, because the SNP has never done us over, last I checked they members who didn't know what a woman was and called Scotland *Clears throat* TOO WHITE

  • @davi22034
    @davi22034 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    The SNP losing in Skye is shocking… all seats of Glasgow went Labour…

    • @thecuriousguy1473
      @thecuriousguy1473 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If blackford was still running then they probably would have won there

  • @sbowesuk981
    @sbowesuk981 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The Tory government in Westminster made a lot of Scottish voters (including myself) feel far stronger about independence, because we could see how corrupt the Tories were, and how badly they were damaging Scotland.
    Now that Keir's Labour government is in power, the situation is very different. Corruption has been supplanted by competence, and Scotland feels like it's being somewhat respected and looked after again. Sure Labour have a mountain to climb to truly fix 14 years of corrupt Tory rule, but it's safe to say both Scotland and the UK have turned a corner for the better, and that's a huge relief.

    • @antisocialv0id26
      @antisocialv0id26 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      From what I’ve seen, a % SNP voters just see both Labour and the Tories as the same (driven by flaky arguments and little grounds for debate on Facebook)
      Labour are wanting to bring Scotland into the mix of Westminster and the entirety of central Scotland (along with the outer Isles) gave Labour the chance to fix the country.
      Labour want to push for more housing, protection of worker rights (banning 0 hour contracts and removing the loopholes of fire and rehire)
      They’re targeting non-domiciles
      Tories just want more of the same mess they’ve made

    • @martindornan1667
      @martindornan1667 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Respect for the Scottish parliament and government from the Westminster Red Tories you are having a laugh.
      A few weeks before devolving the Winter fuel allowance to be administered by the Scottish parliament the Red Tories cut 90% of the budget.
      £160 million cut to the winter fuel allowance budget to the Scottish parliament without any consolation with the Scottish government.
      The Northern Ireland government also was not consulted by the Red Tories before the cut in the winter fuel allowance budget to the Northern Ireland government.
      The Red Tory cut to winter fuel allowance for 9 out of 10 pensioners will not help the cold winter death figures improve.
      More old people will probably end up in hospital during the cold winter months.
      Westminster Red Tory austerity following on from Westminster Blue Tory austerity.

    • @bigjockteabagger
      @bigjockteabagger หลายเดือนก่อน

      so what do you think about the government now? surely you could see the S&P? I’ve just a bunch of corrupt homosexuals

  • @david1731048
    @david1731048 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +317

    The SNP have the same problem as the Tories. Complete lack of self awareness, blaming everyone else and no idea what they've done wrong. Long may it continue I supoose, if it leads to the downfall of both.

    • @warrenchu5752
      @warrenchu5752 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      The irony that you left out labour here is not lost on me

    • @22mdh6
      @22mdh6 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with you but watch out the Labour Party are about to give us a manifesto that will be I believe shocking. Notice PM has brought in some Labourites when Tony Blair was PM. in fact the man himself TB is the one advising the new PM.

    • @wpjohn91
      @wpjohn91 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      Labour havent been in charge of anytbing except wales for the last 14 years. And their legacy is a 20mph speed limit

    • @runawaywolf2570
      @runawaywolf2570 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      The SNP deserve slightly more credit than the Tories, jfc.

    • @david1731048
      @david1731048 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@runawaywolf2570 Yeah I'd say the Tories are much worse of course, but under both parties we've seen incompetence, complacency, self serving sleaze, corruption and cover ups and, interestingly, given the SNP and Tories claim on be on completely opposite sides of the political divide, an increase in authoritarianism.

  • @leehallam9365
    @leehallam9365 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Independence was dead long before this election. The clue is that only 17% of voters counted the issue as one of their top three, given that includes those who consider it very I portent it doesn't happen, that means only one in ten voters are really keen. You don't get a revolution from that. The real attitude of voters is that one day it would be nice, but just now it's not worth the trouble. There is no reason to think that will change. Brexit might have annoyed Scots, but it didn't have any impact on independence support beyond a few weeks. It's lasting impact is that it makes independence much more risky than it would have been with both countries locked together in the Single Market and customs Union.

  • @sdpearshaped831
    @sdpearshaped831 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +210

    The TL;DR to this TL;DR video: lots of scandals.

    • @dftfire
      @dftfire 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      TL;DW given it's a video channel

    • @luisfilipe2023
      @luisfilipe2023 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And terrible public services

    • @nikmak
      @nikmak 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Such as? Anything that wasn't orchetsrtated by the British state? I'll wait.

    • @aceman0000099
      @aceman0000099 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@luisfilipe2023which ones?

    • @luisfilipe2023
      @luisfilipe2023 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@aceman0000099 according to the video healthcare and education (I don’t know if it’s true as I’m not from there)

  • @Matthew-bu7fg
    @Matthew-bu7fg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nicola Sturgeon is to the SNP what Nigel Farage is to UKIP/Brexit Party/Reform. She is essential in pushing forward the agenda. She's an electoral gladiator. She speaks well, she is extremely persuasive and the SNP seemed far less volatile with her as leader. Her/her husband's financial jiggery pokery has effectively seized the SNP wave.

  • @midkemian1
    @midkemian1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Sarwar is NOT popular in Scotland

    • @martindornan1667
      @martindornan1667 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@midkemian1
      Before the general election The institute of Fiscal studies said that the Westminster finances were bad with about £30 billion of public spending cuts, tax increases or borrowing having to be made after the general election.
      The Institute of Fiscal studies said that both Labour and the Tories should be more honest with the UK public about what will happen after the general election.
      In a TV debate before the general election when John Swinney said that Labour was going to continue Tory austerity and cut public spending, put up taxes or borrow more money to fill an £18 billion black hole Anas Sarwar lied he said watch my lips no austerity under Labour.
      Now after Labour got elected to Westminster, Labour cut the winter fuel allowance of up to £300 for 10 million pensioners, a cut of £1.4 billion.
      In Labour chancellor Rachel Reeves mini budget she borrowed another £5 billion and made public spending cuts of about £5.4 billion.
      Labour are now talking about a £22 billion black hole in the Westminster finance's with speculation about further cuts to public spending and tax rises in the next budget.

  • @scottmorley7738
    @scottmorley7738 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    As a lifelong SNP voter I just couldn't force myself to vote for them this time because of the crazy hate speech bill and allowing men to decide whether they want to spend time in a mans prison or a prison for women. Bin this nonsense NOW!

  • @tonymurphy9795
    @tonymurphy9795 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Because they are neither Scottish nor Nationalist. A better name would be the Pakistan Immigration Party.

  • @Dilligaf-m7s
    @Dilligaf-m7s 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The issue with the snp to me is they are a 1 story party. They are not and never were interested in running Scotland only in getting independence. At some point they should have got on with running a great country personally I’m anti independence and voted to remain with the uk and leave the eu. I have friends that were also leave the eu and leave the uk. They like me also feel that the snp stopped caring about Scotland and just caring about getting independence.
    Funnily enough I have a friend that is really big on independence and he put it really well, people forget that once we get independence we don’t need to keep the snp and we can get rid of those ‘insert worse expletive you can think of’ as well.

  • @oceanickane
    @oceanickane 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As a Scot and seeing everything around me I can answer this easily
    Humza Yousaf and the Hate Crime Bill
    Most people I know switched from voting SNP to Labour because of that

  • @solitarianihilista1454
    @solitarianihilista1454 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The SNP has in little more than a ten years managed to squander all the progress that previous generations spent decades building up. After finally managing to get a referendum in 2014 they did not convince the Scottish electorate to support independence. They were then handed a thumping great majority and a chance to prove that they could govern a devolved administration instead. As it turned out they just muddled along displaying no evidence that they had any better idea how to run public services than their counterparts in the rest of the UK.
    Even if SNP voters have not switched to other parties it’s clear that many demonstrated their discontent by refusing to turn up and support them at the ballot box. And no wonder: the harsh truth is that the SNP have failed to deliver self-government and failed to manage devolved government. It the party cannot do either of those things it’s hard to see the point of its continued existence. It’s a disheartening state of affairs. I’ve no idea where the SNP goes from here and I don’t think the current leadership knows either. And that’s another disaster for Scotland.

    • @New-ye2fl
      @New-ye2fl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stop slavering pish, massive tactical voting here to oust the tories, Scottish elections aren’t until 2026.

  • @davgat79
    @davgat79 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    Nicola Sturgeons arrest and then release without charge.

    • @kennymorrison7227
      @kennymorrison7227 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      She's on bail as further investigations continue. She can be arrested and charged at anytime.

    • @delektrik1
      @delektrik1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kennymorrison7227we all can

    • @goodyking6732
      @goodyking6732 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@kennymorrison7227 It’s been 12 months so far. Perhaps Jesus will arrest her on his second coming.

    • @jesuschrist6878
      @jesuschrist6878 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@goodyking6732 I will do what I must.

    • @debbiegilmour6171
      @debbiegilmour6171 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Operation Branchform is going nowhere. The whole story was contrived out of thin air.

  • @runawaywolf2570
    @runawaywolf2570 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Couple of things. The SNP isn't the Scottish Nationalist Party. That's a dog whistle name the pro-union side give them. It's actually the "National" party. Two wildly different connotations there.
    Yes Nicola Sturgeon was indeed arrested after her resignation, but she was subsequently released without charge. It was her husband who was accused of fraud regarding donations. Slight distinction there.
    Anas Sarwar isn't as popular a person in Scotland as you paint him as. He just happens to be helming the Labour party, which for years up until this vote wasn't all that remarkable. I do hope he provides the necessary change Scotland needs though, as a Scot who in the recent vote went for the Green party.
    I do have to agree that infighting is what held the party back, but the UK press has been consistent in it's utter contempt for the party. At times rightly justified, at others disproportionately caustic, particularly with the backdrop that they gave the Tories complete leeway until it was socially acceptable to start being honest about the shit show.
    So, while yes, there's been an erosion of trust in the SNP due to some nonsensical choices, this isn't the end of the party, and much like elsewhere in the uk, the Labour majority is not a stable one and firmly hinges on them doing the right thing quickly.
    All the best to the Labour party. This is their chance to prove that Scotland means something to the UK, because if not it'll be back to the SNP for a lot of people.
    I'll add a point about independence as people really don't get it down south. There's a broad cross section of Scottish people from all ends of the political spectrum that consistently want Sovereignty from the UK. It's not enough to action, but it's enough to keep an eye on, particularly when that dial shifts.
    It's also not an SNP exclusive quirk. Independence isn't a movement that can be quashed by slogans and rhetoric from Westminster or the newspapers - rather it's that kind of constant slander that increases the likelihood of people wanting out. Indy isn't the same as Brexit. Brexit was conceived to rally the Tory party's fringes back to the cause. Indy evolved as a desire independent of party that was eventually given form. It should be noted that the Greens also support Independence, and they're centre left.
    So for all those "the dream is dead" folks out there, calm down. One catastrophically wrong move in Westminster and the Scots will rebel.
    The indy dream dies when the UK becomes an example of true excellence and prosperity. Are we there yet? Let me know.

    • @alexboitz8540
      @alexboitz8540 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ALLEGED to have engaged in criminal acts. LIke everyone who donated to the SNP I made NO stipulation what it was to be spent on.

    • @runawaywolf2570
      @runawaywolf2570 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alexboitz8540 Edited to reflect that. Sorry, poor wording on my part.

    • @damienreilly4347
      @damienreilly4347 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      To think that she had no notion of what her husband was doing is utter rubbish. Plus the recent speech from the last SNP leader about white people I think annoyed a lot of Scots, especially since Scotland is like 98% white.

    • @alexboitz8540
      @alexboitz8540 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@damienreilly4347 100% white in the positions he mentioned and THAT was the point. What was Nicola's husband doing apart from managing the SNP in his position as CEO?

    • @runawaywolf2570
      @runawaywolf2570 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@damienreilly4347 As the leader of the party, i imagine she did have an idea. I suspect there's been some conflation between spending tax payer money and spending independently donated party money, but the point stands - it really wasn't a good look.
      Does that erase all the good she's done? I don't believe so. Not entirely. Certainly not compared to that riot down south.
      Humza's white comments are truly bizarre though. His leadership was actively damaging.
      Swinney i don't have an opinion on just yet. He doesn't seem to be quite as lead brained i suppose, so I get the feeling he'll steady the ship in time for the next election, but we'll see.
      Like i said, if Labour pulls it together then the indy position weakens. At the end of the day I want peoples' lives to improve. I want Scotland to have affordable houses, guaranteed un-debatable rights, a reduction in the wealth gap and good, satisfying jobs. If the UK provides that then my green indy vote would switch.

  • @rempanda
    @rempanda 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why did the SNP do badly? Two words. Ferries and A9. Sure, it's a whole lot more complicated than that but those two projects really are the perfect example of what Scotland has faced under the SNP. Just constant bitter disappoint at the lack of anything promised actually appearing and that everything the SNP touches just seems to utterly collapse. The school system was in a very bad way long before covid, with huge numbers of teachers leaving the career because of how badly the entire sector was being handled in Scotland. I'm not sorry to see the back of the SNP. I've personally never voted for them and I'm so glad that others seem to have finally woken up and realised that the SNP will never deliver on anything they promise.

  • @MrDadyD
    @MrDadyD 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    First past the post is a horrible system.. The mere fact Labour got 400+ seats with millions of fewer vote then in 2019 is insane.

    • @tripleq7888
      @tripleq7888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well yeah, that's the fault of the electorate for being too lazy to vote

  • @DanBeech-ht7sw
    @DanBeech-ht7sw 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fun fact - if just three more tory constituencies had flipped, you would have been able to walk from land's end to John O'groats without having to wipe your feet

  • @danieldickson3896
    @danieldickson3896 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    It seems alarming for the SNP by looking at the seat share, but they were actually only down by 5% of votes compared with the 2019 election. Green and Alba votes were up (indicating around 3% out of the 5% of those lost SNP votes going to these 2 other pro-independence parties), and some switched to Labour. Even pro-independence voters switched to Labour in order to "get the Tories out" as tories are wildly unpopular in most parts of Scotland.
    The scandals and post-covid ball drops obviously played an impact, but that impact was exaggerated by FPTP.
    I do agree that public services is the top priority for people in Scotland (naturally, a very socialist-leaning country - go figure) and that independence is not an immediate concern for most.

    • @DanBeech-ht7sw
      @DanBeech-ht7sw 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why would pro independence voters in snp constituencies vote Labour to get the tories out? You'd just continue voting snp.
      No, this little narrative is the snp face-saver excuse.
      But if the snp choose to believe their own bullshit, so much the better

  • @ergomate9092
    @ergomate9092 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +217

    SNP stands for Scottish National Party - do be careful about this!

    • @AnthonyAfrikaans
      @AnthonyAfrikaans 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No one cares. They can smoke a pipe because they’re a reprehensible bunch.

    • @mjsferrier
      @mjsferrier 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Aye be careful imagine governing ourselves rather than being dragged along by English voting, 14 years of Tory, Brexit and so on.

    • @joshuaelder8983
      @joshuaelder8983 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      ​@@mjsferrierand 17 years of snp, any party in government that long is ridiculous

    • @Cycle.every.day.
      @Cycle.every.day. 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Wee nippy Krankie sunk the ship.

    • @Epidian
      @Epidian 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      It actually stands for Sex Not Politics.

  • @huwgrossmith9555
    @huwgrossmith9555 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Two reasons I can think of. Single issue party whose issue is almost dead. With the exception of Brexit more closely allied with the Tories and the public wanted them gone. Leadership and the ongoing, I think, investigations didn't help

  • @gillb9222
    @gillb9222 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Im in Scotland and everyone I have talked to so far about the election has agreed that the SNP vote is not reflective of the support for the party. Most people think that people voted Labour to get the Tories out but the SNP will have a very different result in the next election in two years. Only time will tell

    • @Calcearius
      @Calcearius 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Everyone I know voted labour to get the SNP out. Why would SNP supporters switch now? Labour were pretty much guaranteed to get in and oust the Tories... That explanation doesn't add up. Much more likely that people were fed up with the sheer incompetence the SNP displayed along with all their scandals.

    • @gillb9222
      @gillb9222 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Calcearius I don't honestly know very much about Scottish politics as I only moved back year ago so haven't experienced the SNP. I was quite interested so have been asking around what people think happened and that's what I have been told. But I absolutely acknowledge that you have more insight on this than I have. It will be interesting to see what does happen next election

    • @WatcherintheRye
      @WatcherintheRye 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Calcearius To get the SNP out? Of where? Westminster? Have the SNP been incompetent in Westminster?

    • @Pyxlean
      @Pyxlean 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@WatcherintheRye Holyrood obviously, not Westminster..

    • @colingillies7432
      @colingillies7432 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Also, the SNP won 30% of the vote to Labour's 35%. The problem the SNP has is their vote is much more evenly spread throughout Scotland whereas Labour's is quite concentrated and therefore results in a significant number of seats compared to their vote share. The SNP on vote numbers performed significantly better than the Tories, however, on seat numbers they performed significantly worse - such is our bonkers FPTP electoral system (which I note is only used by Belarus and the UK in Europe... nice company to keep!). Keep in mind, as little as a 2.5% swing would put the SNP ahead.

  • @Shawsza
    @Shawsza 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Simply put, we got sick of them. Yes they are mired in some pretty bad scandals, and Humza was just plain awful as a leader but it's more than just that. We've actually become sick of how they approach and discuss independence, regardless of stance on it.
    It's become the answer to every single criticism of them as a party and the answer to every political issue (NHS, Crime, Economy, etc.). They've become dismissive of normal everyday issues facing most Scots, in favour of advancing a purely Independence agenda. They've become a single issue party - touting independence at every opportunity, actively picking fights over it, and doing very little constructively to aid Scotland as a part of the UK - which we are.
    Scotland wanted a bit of change too, and only Labour really seemed to offer that.

    • @farhanatashiga3721
      @farhanatashiga3721 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Bread and butter issues always wins in the end

    • @alexboitz8540
      @alexboitz8540 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      What scandal(s) exactly?

    • @brucewilson4350
      @brucewilson4350 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I agree that the SNP lost their way. The only problem is that historically Labour did nothing for Scotland other than preside over the unequal pay debacle in Glasgow and saddle the country with decades of PFI debt which are still being paid off. If past performance is a guide there may be trouble ahead. The FPTP system disguises that 2/3rds of the country didn't vote Labour yet ended up with a 'landslide'. FPTP is designed for a 2 party system which is far removed from today's UK.

    • @andrewwotherspoona5722
      @andrewwotherspoona5722 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What bollocks. What scandals? And the Tories have scandals 100s if not 1000 of times higher.

    • @Shawsza
      @Shawsza 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alexboitz8540 Look up Operation Branchform which is about fraud surrounding SNP finances, and the Caledonian 'Ferry Fiasco'

  • @johnm6295
    @johnm6295 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    As a Scot who supports independence, and my position on that hasn't changed, I'm glad to see the end to a decade of division and stagnation, I'm fed up of every political discussion in this country rerouting back to the question of independence; No point in trying to convince a majority that independence is the best way to solve the problems we have the powers to solve now, constraints from Westminster or not, I'm tired of the SNP blaming everything on the big bad parliament in London, I'm no fan of WM Politics, I think it's archaic and the outdated traditions are an embarrassment, I want a modern forward looking parliament that works for everyone, and I'm watching keenly to see how the SNP work with the new government, because I wouldn't be surprised if it was the SNP making things hard this time round, there's no "Unelected WM government" argument anymore, and I found it ludicrous that the SNP were banging on about unelected PMs whilst doing the same thing here with First Ministers, I've not voted for Humza or for Swinney - So when's the snap holyrood election like the snap general election they spent so long shouting for under similar circumstances.

    • @FranzBieberkopf
      @FranzBieberkopf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very interesting points.
      I agree that Scotland has been in stasis since 2014. EVERYTHING somehow returns to the constitutional question.
      After Sturgeon became leader, she decided that the Scottish Government would engage only in confrontation with Westminster. So many opportunities for constructive engagement went begging because of Westminster-no matter what Westminster proposed (Blo Jo, The Lettuce and Nutsack were just as happy to oppose anything the SNP proposed). The increasing evidence of the SNPs venality, incompetence and possible corruption were ignored within the party till the Scottish voters stepped with their verdict 3 weeks ago,
      Hopefully, with Starmer offering an olive branch, the Scottish government may try for a constructive relationship with London. I doubt it-the SNP will need to go through another hammering in 2026 before they go back to first principles and recognise that good governance is a condition of people supporting constitutional change, not a nice add-on.

  • @daveshennan5092
    @daveshennan5092 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Their views on Europe gender and immigration are what finished the SNP should be concentrating on independence

    • @editorrbr2107
      @editorrbr2107 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly this.

    • @MrToymaster1
      @MrToymaster1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And the fact they might have defrauded their own supporters

  • @Chnmmr
    @Chnmmr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    FPTP and tactical voting to out the Tories at all cost. That's mostly it.

    • @PLeon-kd1yd
      @PLeon-kd1yd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Pish. The tactical voting was to oust the snp not the tories. Labour would’ve won even if they hadn’t won one seat in Scotland

    • @lizdocherty3067
      @lizdocherty3067 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe it is as it can be difficult to distinguish between SNP and Tory, embezzlement, high tax, crumbling schools and hospitals, falling standards of education, expenses scandal, missing WhatsApp messages and unnecessary deaths of thousands in care homes. Can you see the similarities.

    • @Caspian237
      @Caspian237 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The only reason that people would tactically vote for other parties in SNP held constituencies is to get rid of the SNP. It would make no sense to tactically vote to get rid of the Torys in constituencies that they had never in history held. That would seem counter intuitive.

    • @benjones9442
      @benjones9442 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PLeon-kd1yd Labour’s entire campaign was centred around getting the Tories out, and the media also propagated this argument.
      Most of the Labour voters I talked to gave this as their reason, even the ones I know who’s views line up closer with Greens or Lib Dem (or even still the SNP) were under the assumption that voting Labour was the best way to get the Tories out of Westminster.

    • @Caspian237
      @Caspian237 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@benjones9442 So in the seats that fell to the Lib Dems, people didn't get the memo and accidentally also booted out the sitting SNP candidates?

  • @user-cu5gc4qz8p
    @user-cu5gc4qz8p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    3:28 Anas Sarwar popular ?! what da heck is that based on? the vote for labour here was not a vote for Sarwar.

  • @user-cu5gc4qz8p
    @user-cu5gc4qz8p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:16 strange... support seems to have plummeted around 10-15% at start of 2023, I wonder what controversial legislation which we get told over and over is not a concern for the public where the SNP ignored every single concern of the public they were pushing through at start of 2023....
    It's very difficult for SNP to know where they lost support cause they manage to piss off everyone, the center of their support disliked the coalition with the greens and all the controversial stuff the greens brought, the left of their support disliked the SNP leaving the greens.
    I think they were doomed in both ways when they joined with the greens... it was a mistake, it was unnecessary, this was always going to happen eventually, it will take a long time for them to recover trust.

  • @MaryKingsley-py4js
    @MaryKingsley-py4js 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    ''Politicians and babies' nappies must be changed often and for the same reason.'' Mark Twain.

  • @andrewmcwatt7025
    @andrewmcwatt7025 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Our NHS, Education Systems and Police force in tatters and they were talking about transgender toilets. Clueless.

  • @WhatKateDoes
    @WhatKateDoes 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    In the North they were strongly punished for their failure to deliver dual carriageway upgrades to the primary North/South route, the A9, commonly regarded as Road of Death.

    • @basicconcepts1d
      @basicconcepts1d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@fionamunro3381 Not to mention London to Edinburgh.......

    • @basicconcepts1d
      @basicconcepts1d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fionamunro3381 In the not too distant future this will be known as the Union Highway. This is intended to irritate the Nats.

  • @nikmak
    @nikmak 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Labour governement got all the Tory vote in Scotland and swung a lot of marginal seats. The vote share tells a different story. There are also hundreds of thousands of English migrants into Scotland since 2020.

  • @yaboi672
    @yaboi672 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    westminster is not for england, but for the whole of the UK! England does not have a parliament for itsself, and as such is underrepresenteated and loses power, compared to Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland, they can make rules that affect England but we can't make rules affecting them due to their devolved parliament!

    • @davidmartin9879
      @davidmartin9879 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Population-wise, England represents 85% of Westminster power, so loss of power isn´t that much. In fact, of the 650 Westminster seats, the 18 seats that are allocated to the North of Ireland, Sinn Fein, who obtained 7, have always abstained from taking their seats, meaning a 40% loss in the public´s representation. Although it must be said that this type of voter is willingly casting their vote knowing fully its outcome.

    • @yaboi672
      @yaboi672 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davidmartin9879 then how is it fair that they can make rules affecting us, but we cant make rules about them? either every country gets a parliament or we are actually united under one parliament

  • @Arthur-lq7ix
    @Arthur-lq7ix 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The fact that the Tories held on to 5 seats in Scotland when they were wiped out in Wales is utterly baffling to me.

  • @18T220
    @18T220 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Humza Yousaf happened.

  • @BaronB
    @BaronB 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The SNP brought in laws that are not popular with the public e.g. Hate crime law which created chaos for Police Scotland and the minimum pricing for alcohol which did not reduce the alcohol related deaths and the extra money created did not go to the NHS but the retailer. They also started to tell the public what they wanted rather than the other way round.

  • @J-Bahn
    @J-Bahn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:25 things turned out rather differently;
    Understatement of the century!

  • @blisseyran-dom6822
    @blisseyran-dom6822 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I cannot believe how badly they did. I thought i was being harsh when I predicted 20

    • @PorthLlwyd
      @PorthLlwyd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you can't believe it then you don't understand how first past the post works.

    • @blisseyran-dom6822
      @blisseyran-dom6822 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PorthLlwyd i understand how it works, as do the pollsters, and even the most accurate MRPs didn't show them going into single digits

    • @PorthLlwyd
      @PorthLlwyd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@blisseyran-dom6822 30% of the vote and finishing 2nd in every constituency isn't as bad as the seats won suggests.

  • @jordansmith1563
    @jordansmith1563 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The SNP has acted with an air of invincibility in Scotland. Hence, all the scandals and crises. They'll argue its all worth it in pursuit of independence, but at this rate, they will ruin us before that even happens

  • @owenlindkvist5355
    @owenlindkvist5355 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love how you're actively ignoring one of biggest factors; Humza. Really don't want to come across as racist, do you?

  • @LiamFromNewBarkTown
    @LiamFromNewBarkTown 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For me, who lived in the northern most constituency on the mainland. I used to Vote SNP but now I can't stand them. They focus all the government spending on the central belt and neglect the Highlands. The way they failed to modernise the only Main road in and out the Highlands, The A9, where people dying on a daily basis was the final straw for me.

  • @pastlesandfish
    @pastlesandfish 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Scot and SNP voter here. I think it's a number of factors. 16 years in power brings voter fatigue. The party has faced a few scandals now. Yousaf tanked the agreement with the Greens. I think Scots voted Labour because their priority was getting the Tories out. The cost of living and public services are what people are concerned about. I think independence is taking a back seat for a while. Swinney misread the country very badly by making this election about independence.

    • @tiglishnobody8750
      @tiglishnobody8750 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And voting for Labour who now becomes a little more like Troy with the red tie is a great idea?
      It almost like they just jump out of fry and heading to fire

    • @pastlesandfish
      @pastlesandfish 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tiglishnobody8750 my mum used that same phrase when we discussed the election. She has numerous conditions and is on a cocktail of medications so she is unable to work anymore. Kendall saying she wants more disabled people into work and wants to reduce the amount of people on sickness benefits makes me extremely wary and distrustful of Labour. This is why I don't share many Starmer lovers' enthusiasm for this new government.

  • @fpsmaverick_9335
    @fpsmaverick_9335 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No mention of the madness over gender self ID playing a large role in their downfall?

  • @nickwright9314
    @nickwright9314 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    More likely to take this analysis more seriously if you were to get the name of the Scottish National Party correct. Boris Johnson would deliberately call them Nationalist, so I hope you are not doing the same.

    • @HootMaRoot
      @HootMaRoot 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      This channel knows nothing about Scottish or Northern Irish politics, every video that has anything to do with Scottish politics is grossly un-reseached and unable to use actual names

    • @enemystand2981
      @enemystand2981 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@HootMaRoot it’s actually concerning. I always thought this channel was pretty information accurate, but as someone who’s tbh quite disillusioned towards our political options in Scotland (apart from independence), I consider myself pretty unbiased here and don’t feel like the views and reasoning of the Scottish electorate is properly reflected here.

    • @debbiegilmour6171
      @debbiegilmour6171 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@enemystand2981The state of English discourse on the matter of Scotland is an absolute disgrace.
      Perhaps what's more of a disgrace though is the fact that English media is the dominant media in Scotland where frankly it has no right to be.
      How dare they presume to tell us about ourselves as if they knew us.

    • @memisemyself
      @memisemyself 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HootMaRoot The fact that they use the flag of R o I for N I, at 7.08, proves your point.

  • @bam-skater
    @bam-skater 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's not 'since' Nicola Sturgeon, it's 'because' of Nicola Sturgeon. She effectively allowed the Stirling and Aberdeen student unions decide party policy and ran headlong into trans-activism. That led to a massive outflow of women, their families and the LGB community from the party. That's who just didn't turn out to vote for them

    • @New-ye2fl
      @New-ye2fl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I beg to differ, if Nicola sturgeon ran in an election tomorrow v that lot she’d probably still win.

  • @windwaker0rules
    @windwaker0rules 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    FPTP really is undefendable.

    • @hydra7427
      @hydra7427 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It’s perfectly defensible. It exists to ensure Labour or Tories will win.

    • @marcusaustralius2416
      @marcusaustralius2416 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed, scrapping it for proportion of vote share means the UK can hand 15% of seats in the Union to Reform UK, means they get an even louder voice
      FPTP prevented that

    • @windwaker0rules
      @windwaker0rules 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@marcusaustralius2416 If that is the only justification, then you should try a fascist dictatorship model. 100% stop to all niche ideas and 100% stability.

    • @marcusaustralius2416
      @marcusaustralius2416 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @windwaker0rules my statement is neutral, FPTP stopped Reform from getting the seats they earned
      This needs to change.

    • @BaxstabberzZ
      @BaxstabberzZ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@windwaker0rules Its really not indefensible.
      Every voting system has positive and negatives. It really comes down to your personal preference.

  • @danielmorris6523
    @danielmorris6523 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What's with all the SNP folks being named after fish. Nicola STURGEON, Alex SALMON.

    • @basicconcepts1d
      @basicconcepts1d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The new leader has been done up like a Kipper.

    • @danielmorris6523
      @danielmorris6523 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@basicconcepts1d LOL🤣

  • @chaphidoesstuff
    @chaphidoesstuff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good, Britain should be united

    • @portman8909
      @portman8909 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Keep dreaming... England is turning more and more right wing.

  • @DuckSwagington
    @DuckSwagington 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Keep in mind that the Scottish Parliament itself is still ran by the SNP, adn the Scottish Parliament is responsible for Scotlands public services and the such. The General Election result shows that people are dissatisfied with the SNP, but nothing can be done about it until the elections for the Scottish parliament are called, and they are not due to be called until May 2026.

    • @tomgachagan1347
      @tomgachagan1347 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      i wouldn't be surprised if the SNP are still the largest party though after that election

    • @basicconcepts1d
      @basicconcepts1d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@tomgachagan1347 Never in a Million Years.

    • @tomgachagan1347
      @tomgachagan1347 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@basicconcepts1d it's 2 years away, a long time in political terms. conservatives went from hung parliament to a landslide win in 2 years. the snp can and will recover, matter of when not if

  • @muhdhanif1048
    @muhdhanif1048 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Too much of talking but failed to govern scotland. Please take the back seat.

  • @imck357
    @imck357 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    SNP voters stayed at home is the conclusion disappointed with SNP policy that were not to do with independence. The independence movement is staying just under 50% and demographics will see it increase over time as younger less unionist orientated. Labour got 36% of Scottish vote , SNP got 30% yet labour got 4 times as many seats such is the fptp that starmer wont change.

    • @PLeon-kd1yd
      @PLeon-kd1yd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Corp was ok for the cult when they won 50+ seats tho. Dry ur eyes pal. No one wants useless snp

    • @jonathanbuzzard1376
      @jonathanbuzzard1376 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Apart from a surge during COVID19 there support has remained at around 45% for years now. The problem the SNP has is there are two wings the "Independence NOW NOW NOW" and "We need to build a case". Unfortunately, the party is dominated by the NOW NOW NOW wing so typified by Hamza Usaf and John Swinney. I could never make my mind up about Sturgen I feel she was build a case but struggled to manage the expectations of the NOW NOW NOW wing. Anyway chances of a referendum are now zilch for the remainder of this Scottish Parliament. Swinney needs to go and they need to replace him with Kate Forbes who is actually popular with the public, which comes to point two.
      The public do not actually support the transgender reforms as constituted and when it all blew up in their face over Isla Bryson rather than accept they had got it wrong and move on, they attempted to pick a constitutional fight with the Westminster government despite the legal advice being they where on a losing ticket. Then having been given a kicking over that Usaf decided as First Minister he would start discussing foreign policy over Gaza with Erdogan. The guy is lucky not to have spent time in the Elizabeth Tower for contempt of Parliament. As a lawyer he should have known better.
      Coupled with financial shenanigans and the picking of the wrong leader (I circle back to Kate Forbes was the right pick instead of Usaf originally) they were going to get a kicking and that has been apparent for 12 months now.
      What they need to do is replace Swinney with Forbes, put independence on the back burner, drop the transgender stuff, and finally drop all talk of encouraging immigration. Then work on sorting out Scotlands problems, which above all else means leave education well alone. If you are going to do something about education roll back the disastrous changes of the last 15 years that clearly have not worked.

    • @Tonydjjokerit
      @Tonydjjokerit 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jonathanbuzzard1376 They can never put it on the backburner. It's their raison etre!

    • @basicconcepts1d
      @basicconcepts1d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@Minimmalmythicist In an uncertain World. It would surely be prudent to stay with the Nation which defends you.

    • @basicconcepts1d
      @basicconcepts1d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jonathanbuzzard1376 That's brilliant advice. I hope that they pay attention and act accordingly. But I have my Doubts.

  • @fenlandwildlifeclips
    @fenlandwildlifeclips 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There's a massive elephant in the room you haven't mentioned: the trans debate. I could be wrong but it might have played a part.

  • @nolanpeter2748
    @nolanpeter2748 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Labour's going find out the reason themselves soon enough.

  • @Behindstage
    @Behindstage 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The SNP had 17 years of utter dominance, a referendum and Nicola sturgeon. It’s over. The union is secure and they are finished as a dominant force.

  • @SashaGrace94
    @SashaGrace94 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    Video on why the Labour vote share fell in Wales when?? Has to be the Gething scandal, his refusal to stand down after losing a vote of no confidence, Drakeford’s deeply unpopular blanket 20 mph among other issues. In Denbighshire where I am we have some bin shit going on and that left the Labour candidate vulnerable but she scraped in.

    • @leonbanks5728
      @leonbanks5728 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      The irony of that is that Labour gained several seats.

    • @mickeypitty3680
      @mickeypitty3680 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@leonbanks5728not in wales

    • @mickeypitty3680
      @mickeypitty3680 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@leonbanks5728people haven’t looked or thought about wales when they voted Labour

    • @Valen-xp8ow
      @Valen-xp8ow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      ​@@mickeypitty3680nope, labour gained 6 seats in wales

    • @occamraiser
      @occamraiser 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I am shocked that labour got ANY votes after the absurd 20mph thing.

  • @arvidgreat
    @arvidgreat 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Simple, if you are a conservative independence party maybe not have a Islamic foreigners as party leader! the same goes for the Tories.

  • @arandombard1197
    @arandombard1197 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    It comes down to people realizing after Brexit how disasterous a Scottish exit would be.

    • @davidty2006
      @davidty2006 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Considering scotland's trade comes in and out of english ports via the A1, M6 East & West coast mainlines.
      it would do massive economic damage.

    • @alfieingrouille1528
      @alfieingrouille1528 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Good joke 😂😂​@Username-SF1

    • @alexboitz8540
      @alexboitz8540 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Minimmalmythicist That is a crazy statement considering independence is NORMAL like all the small independent countries around us, some with multiple borders, and all doing very well without Westminster. Tell me why indy for Scotland is crazy.

    • @alexboitz8540
      @alexboitz8540 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Minimmalmythicist none of those are bona fide countries in a treaty of union with another country. There is no need for a a disruption to trade as is shown with Northern Ireland and Ireland.

    • @LeoMar-dm9mr
      @LeoMar-dm9mr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      EU would surely fast track Scotland's entry if ever they vote out of the UK

  • @Glaiket
    @Glaiket 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    4:21 Public services - yes - but England is still worse.
    The loss of Humza Yousaf was awful. The infighting is between the left and the right. SNP lost youth vote, minority vote when Forbes came in, but gained conservative voters.
    6:29 Scottish government is still in charged of public services, not Labour. It won’t make any difference what English Labour do.

  • @clivedunning4317
    @clivedunning4317 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    . . ."They Didn't Fix The Potholes" ! . . .

  • @vjollila96
    @vjollila96 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i dont mind scottish independency but SNP's policies especially against ''hate speech'' is really questioning

  • @chrislillie5522
    @chrislillie5522 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Fact is vote share didn't change that much.. we had one of the lowest voter turnouts in a while
    Snp ain't finished. And if they are. Independence definitely is not.

    • @Duncan23
      @Duncan23 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Must be nice living in a fantasy world 🤣

  • @PraisedEuanB21
    @PraisedEuanB21 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't know where tldr get this idea that Anas Sarwar is very popular in Scotland. Most people don't even know his name here. The last election was all about Brexit- the previous elections were about sticking it to Labour who people in Scotland felt had been taking their votes for granted and assuming safe Scottish seats. The SNP are no longer a protest vote as they are the authorities in Scotland with a poor record and scandals and then most people just wanted the Tories out so were happy to vote Labour again to see this happen.

  • @Chancer
    @Chancer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    SNP does not stand for Scottish Nationalist Party. They're not nationalists at all.

    • @octavianpopescu4776
      @octavianpopescu4776 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      They ARE nationalists. In fact, I'd argue they're one of the few real-deal nationalists left. The rest calling themselves nationalists have gone down the extremist route, but the SNP seems to still do nationalism right.

    • @foregone_roulette
      @foregone_roulette 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      @@octavianpopescu4776is that why Humza Yousaf was attempting to crack down on freedom of expression and ranted about how there are too many white people (ie Scots) in the country?

    • @isabelstokes4042
      @isabelstokes4042 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@foregone_roulette Absolutely.

    • @billynm7719
      @billynm7719 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      B​@@octavianpopescu4776nonsense, what happened to the snp is the same as what happened to the tories and Labour, we got sick of their incompetence, cronyism and their desperation to hold on to power at any cost.

    • @PaulJohn01
      @PaulJohn01 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@octavianpopescu4776 Not Nationalists as they would immediately sell the Scots to Brussels and the Scots would have less freedom than they do now.

  • @henryhooper6638
    @henryhooper6638 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The SNP will be fine. How fine will depended on how much of a clear out is undertaken Independence is a cause, not a party. Labour party dominance is not that. 2024 UKGE for every 6 Labour voters there were 5 SNP voters. The SNP needed a kicking and they’ve now had it.

  • @alexboitz8540
    @alexboitz8540 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    It is the Scottish NATIONAL Party.

  • @AdriaOliSal
    @AdriaOliSal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's interesting how parallel scottish and catalan independence movements continue to be. The same two arguments, sense of stale politics for the last 5 years (our PISA scores were terrible too) and infights between the main independence parties exaplain the situation in Catalonia too.

    • @Lala-kc2fw
      @Lala-kc2fw 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They both wont get indy.

  • @N81L
    @N81L 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It is disappointing that several aspects have not been picked up. One, the media in Scotland is very unionist, from the main broadsheet and red top newspapers, to the BBC. What is seen is constant SNP bad stories.
    Two, yes waiting lists are high (just as they are across the UK nations), but it is not recognised fully how much of an impact COVID had, particularly where older Doctors and Consultants decided to retire, this and the delay in medical appointments due to COVID has also caused the build up waiting lists. There is the perception people cannot get doctors appointments, when the most recent figures show only a marginal reduction in appointments per doctor, the big difference is a change in triage at GP surgeries, where people will be directed to nurses and pharmacists.
    Three, beyond the general unionist nature of the media, the recent election showed up the degree of extra coverage that Labour and the Tories received, with the 'leaders' debates. These are actually quite undemocratic on several fronts, one the general election is about voting in your constituency MP, not a Prime Minister, the electorate are not involved in that. Two, given the devolution across Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, the campaigns should be very different, but whilst they were to some degree, they really didn't stick to the fact that issues like Health and Education are devolved matters. These were still talked about despite having nothing to do with the work of Scottish MP's in Westminster.

    • @auldfouter8661
      @auldfouter8661 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So the BBC should ignore the former First Minister's hubbie being charged with embezzlement? He lied about teh SNP's plummeting membership and the SNP is going bankrupt without industry donors and losing its short money from Westminster. Wheesht BBC keep it all quiet LOL.

  • @frankhynd885
    @frankhynd885 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Alba Party run by Alex Salmond, lost its two Westminster MPs, who were SNP defections, and all their election candidates lost their deposits last Thursday. The election collapse of SNP and Alba seems to indicate that independence is not a pressing concern for Scottish voters.

  • @Jean428
    @Jean428 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    There was a bizarre speech made by Humza Yousaf in Holyrood where he targeted white people in leading positions, just due to the fact that they are white. A few strong independence leaning people I knew were concerned with SNP after this and I imagine it affected quite a lot of people too

    • @TakeMe2UrDealer
      @TakeMe2UrDealer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This speech definitely hurt his chances. No idea what he was thinking. Imaging standing in the Nigerian elections and complained that all the positions in power were held by black people? I don't know what point he was trying to make with it at all.

  • @anonitachi6966
    @anonitachi6966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Britain, not Great
    Kingdom, not United.

    • @MrToymaster1
      @MrToymaster1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You’re in denial about reality

    • @anonitachi6966
      @anonitachi6966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrToymaster1 how so? England dictating - disguised behind the idea of 'Britain' - has alienated Scotland and at last, looking to be the North of Ireland. The long dead 'kingdom' is done, and not United. Britain? What is so great about it?

    • @anonitachi6966
      @anonitachi6966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrToymaster1 I had replied. Don't know why it wasn't posted.. or had been reported.
      I can give you a list of reasons why my statement is universally true. What is your reality?

    • @MrToymaster1
      @MrToymaster1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anonitachi6966
      1; polls show a most Scots don’t want to leave the UK
      2: This is how every democracy works
      3: the polls haven’t changed in decades

    • @anonitachi6966
      @anonitachi6966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrToymaster1 anyways, Scotland. What else have you got to counter the title statement. What makes Britain great, that isn't 50 years old? The fact if the SNP even existing, is counter to disunity. The UK is a dictatorship, in every aspect of the word.

  • @dftfire
    @dftfire 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    While not mentioned in this video, Alba, got fewer than 12,000 votes and no seats. I wonder if Salmond will still continue with it?

    • @robcarrol
      @robcarrol 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They lost their deposit in every single seat they contested (17). Support for pro-independence parties was way down across the board, can't see Salmond continuing, he'll be back off to Russia TV.

    • @user-cu5gc4qz8p
      @user-cu5gc4qz8p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Alba was only standing in handful of places, and get next to no media coverage, but they do have an uphill battle be interesting to see how they do in regional vote in 2026, if they get nothing from that i suspect they will pack it in.

    • @robcarrol
      @robcarrol 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@user-cu5gc4qz8p 17 seats and lost their deposit in each one. Salmond has been all over the media, not seen him much since Thursday night though 🤔

    • @user-cu5gc4qz8p
      @user-cu5gc4qz8p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robcarrol Where i didn't even know they were standing till Friday when i saw him sky news talking about the general scottish results. Were they on any of the debates?

    • @robcarrol
      @robcarrol 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@user-cu5gc4qz8p I can't recall anyone from Alba apart from Alex Salmond being interviewed. It's a bit of a dent in his massive ego to get such a poor result.

  • @lifeislife4life
    @lifeislife4life 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The SNP will probably follow the same path as the PQ in Québec...

  • @oyl80
    @oyl80 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Only time anyone has decribed anas sarwar as remarkably popular.
    Switched off at that point.
    Go see his interview with martin gesslar on Mandates.
    Thats the real Sarwar.

  • @Robespierre-lI
    @Robespierre-lI 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I thought this one would be obvious. Scandals plus general party fatigue. People wanted a change.

  • @mango2005
    @mango2005 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A poll a few weeks before polling day showed support for independence around 47%. I don't think independence was what most people were voting on or against, but getting rid of the Tory government, which meant voting for a UK wide party this time. But there was annoyance at scandals in the SNP and probably also their policies on gender identity. The Tiffany Scott and Ísla Bryson cases in particular. Scotland is a tolerant place but this was too much.

  • @Clone683
    @Clone683 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Its definitely put the issue of Scottish independence to bed for a while

    • @dftfire
      @dftfire 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not really, as the SNP are saying they still have a mandate through winning the 2021 Holyrood elections 🙄
      There won't be another vote there until May 2026, so we won't know for ages yet if they'll lose seats there too

  • @Dryhten1801
    @Dryhten1801 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    Humza, Gething, Sunak, all unelected

    • @MichaelKearnan
      @MichaelKearnan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It’s not the individual you elect, but the party. It doesn’t matter if it has a new leader, as it is the same party that the electorate voted for. If it’s like America where you directly vote for president, then you would have a point as its not the same individual

    • @Dryhten1801
      @Dryhten1801 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MichaelKearnan They were installed to be the first non-white leaders of Britain, simple as that. They knew a vote wouldn't work so took advantage of our system (which needs to change). PMs hold near absolute power over their parties and the public. Unelected Humza made it law you can be arrested for words said at home... They should be elected, otherwise their "power" is illegitimate. Power derives from the people

    • @ivancho5854
      @ivancho5854 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@MichaelKearnan True, but I think that it matters. It appears that the British voters, and especially the Scottish voters, agree with me.

    • @andrewwalker9954
      @andrewwalker9954 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@MichaelKearnan I think part of the problem is the SNP made so much hay out of successive Tory leaders being selected by the party and therefore in their view not having a popular mandate. It was an argument a lot of people seem to have responded well to... Definitely became an awkward square for the SNP to circle when Yousaf came in and turned out to be much less popular with the public than the party.

    • @gordonmackenzie4512
      @gordonmackenzie4512 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Humza was elected, as was Swinney. It’s not possible to be First Minister without an election. Labour, Libdems and Labour Leaders all stood against.

  • @jnyYT
    @jnyYT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the change in scenery, would love to see more of it, and maybe even outside for explanation videos, Tom Scott style ❤

  • @monarchist1838
    @monarchist1838 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    The SNP are not Scottish nationalists. Sturgeon herself said she doesn’t like the word. They are little more than European regionalists.

    • @MrToymaster1
      @MrToymaster1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The SNP call themselves nationalists
      There’s footage of Sturgeon addressing the membership ad the national conference saying “Fellow nationalists”

  • @mifthemyths3759
    @mifthemyths3759 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    SNP sucks when they were in power

  • @ShrunkedDude
    @ShrunkedDude 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Labour are closer to the Conservatives politically than they are to the SNP.

  • @Ticklestein
    @Ticklestein 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:40 - “Uniquely” - Jack, do you and the staff know the meaning of that word?
    Wales literally has 0 conservative members, Scotland has more than 1.

  • @ewansinclair2893
    @ewansinclair2893 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    It’s the Scottish National Party ffs. Jfc guys

    • @andrewwotherspoona5722
      @andrewwotherspoona5722 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This is the second time they've made this mistake. It must be intentional.

  • @rabsrealm
    @rabsrealm 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I voted SNP up until this election. They needed a reminder that my vote shouldn't be taken for granted. While I and many others were struggling, certain individuals within the SNP were indulging themselves with motorhomes and £10K internet data bills. Getting into bed with the Greens was also a massive mistake and took them down a rabbit hole of warped thinking. I didn't vote for them to be re-educated on what a woman is. If they can show some humility and cast out the absurd green elements, I'll give them my vote again at the Scottish general election. If not, I'll put a peg on my nose and vote Labour again. BTW, Labour would do wise not to forget that I support independence and that I am not endorsing their unionist stance.

  • @TheMarioManiac
    @TheMarioManiac 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Seeing the snp finally realise they aren’t untouchable is welcoming.

  • @garymacdonald7165
    @garymacdonald7165 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you understand that Scotland is becoming more cosmopolitan every year (especially with English people moving up),you'll realise that the.high vote for SNP will never happen again!

  • @kevinrobb86
    @kevinrobb86 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is actually irrelevant regards Scotland as sending them to Westminster is a pointless exercise but where it does kill them is the loss of short money and being bankrupt with almost 2 million of debt and their troubles don't stop there, donations drying up, membership dropping and the last large donation was around 127k left to them in a will which was reported that the bulk of that being paid to Sturgeons "Husband" as he had loaned them money, I cant confirm if it was his money but it was someone's money.
    The real test will be in 2026 with the Scottish elections and if Labour devolve more more powers to these criminal deviants then Labour may find itself on the end of a real hiding when those elections come and that will follow through to the GE

    • @ivancho5854
      @ivancho5854 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I suspect that Labour will lose the next GE because of the economy.

  • @neilmcbeath954
    @neilmcbeath954 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What is interesting is the difference between the SNP approach and that of Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland. The SNP put independence front and centre of its agenda, while Sinn Fein simply allowed their record on social policies to stand for itself, and reunification with the Republic was put on the back burner. Sinn Fein won no extra seats, but they are far and away the largest party in Northern Ireland.

  • @RocketeerRaccoon
    @RocketeerRaccoon 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Count Dankula: "Oh no, what happened? Oh no, how terrible! That's just awful, how terrible oh no!" 🤣

  • @FriendlyFreeSounds
    @FriendlyFreeSounds 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    SNP have worse record than the Tories. They are by far the worst governing UK party in history.

  • @Andy1119
    @Andy1119 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    because they pushed through laws that nobody wanted and that weren't needed.

    • @gordonmackenzie4512
      @gordonmackenzie4512 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      The laws you talk of were passed by all political parties in Scotland, and then blocked by Westminster using section 35 orders. So they don’t actually exist.

    • @quantumblurrr
      @quantumblurrr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Still way better than Labour has ever been in Scotland. I swear people have amnesia. Are we really about to fall for the exact same nonsense? Scottish labour does not exist, make no mistake.

    • @Andy1119
      @Andy1119 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@gordonmackenzie4512 the hate speech law wasn't

    • @PersonyPerson
      @PersonyPerson 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Andy1119 When you bother to read the hate crime law, you'll recognise that there's nothing wrong with it.
      What would you like to say to certain people that you can't now? Can't be anything good if you're upset about it.

    • @e11-f2l
      @e11-f2l 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@PersonyPerson considering this law was suggested as something that would have been used to imprison Mark Meechan, the youtuber arrested and falsely imprisoned for making a satirical youtube video, im very suspicious of anyone who supports these awful laws.

  • @kaanpleb
    @kaanpleb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the new couch style video. It looks much more like some friend explaining something, which helps the learning, because people listen to a friend more than a teacher.

  • @vatnidd
    @vatnidd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    It's the Scottish NATIONAL Party, not nationalist

    • @PiotrKuczaj
      @PiotrKuczaj 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@vatnidd how are they not nationalists? I thought only reason for this party to exist is to separate Scotland from U.K. as separate nation state. SNP is plainly nationalists.

    • @goodyking6732
      @goodyking6732 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@PiotrKuczaj Nationalist: a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
      What nation is Scottish independence to the exclusion or detriment of?

    • @emscott2705
      @emscott2705 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Typical SNP Snazi trying to differentiate themselves from other nationalists with their double-think. As a Scot I’m so pleased they got a drubbing at this election. They have been a total disaster for Scotland and with the exception of their jingo diehards most people have seen the reality.

    • @vatnidd
      @vatnidd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@PiotrKuczaj They are, but that's not the name of the party

    • @ahtuno
      @ahtuno 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@goodyking6732 The rest of the country?

  • @georgegyn
    @georgegyn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The flag used to represent Northern Ireland is not correct. You used the Republic of Ireland flag.