Why Did the SNP Do So Badly?
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After dominating Scottish politics for over a decade, the SNP lost 80% of their seats in last week's election after a series of scandals and issues damaged the party's image. So in this video, we'll explain what happened and what it means for Scotland.
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At 03:45 we refer to the SNP as the "Scottish Nationalist Party" when it should be the "Scottish National Party". This mistake should have been caught in the script edit, we apologise and will endeavour to do better next time.
The SNP are Scot Nationalists
Why the apology, they ARE a nationalist party, with everything that brings.
@rangerista3933 They're a nationalist party, but their name is the Scottish National Party. Fairly simple to understand,.
@@MrFilmSmith It was a simple mistake, don't be so touchy or read into it overmuch.
@@rangerista3933 youre an actual fool
Scottish independence really hinges now on Labour's performance in Westminster.
If they fail to noticeably improve things, then the soft support for independence driven by dissatisfaction with Westminster (i.e. the last 14 years of the Tories) will remain, and perhaps even sharpen.
On the other hand, if Labour do start to turn things around, then a large chunk of less invested pro-independence voters will no longer be particularly bothered
Support for Scottish independence has nothing to do with Labour, people will vote based on their experience of the past 17 years under the SNP. And when Labour start to improve the economy, the NHS, education, and all these things continue to get worse in Scotland despite sky-high taxes, then 2016 could be an extinction event for the SNP.
the other thing is, that the SNP are in the situation that long-term incumbent governments find themselves in, i.e they´re hit by scandals, they´re now being blamed for Scotland´s economic problems too (after lots of devolution you can´t just keep on blaming Westminster, it´s not a very good excuse).
100% agree. The concept of independence didn't just appear on a whim one day. There's real dissatisfaction at how Westminster distributes opportunity in the UK, most of it barely makes it to The North, let alone the land beyond.
Keir Starmer's proposed meetings with the heads of devolved governments suggest a promise of greater cooperation rather than the top-down diktat of Tory government. Let's hope it works. Nobody either side of the divide wants a messy divorce.
Bingo. Let's see how the Labour Party performs. Things need to improve. Otherwise, the votes will swing back and this time they won't come back.
We got Jack recording from the couch before GTA 6 🗣️🔥‼️💯🚨
TLDR giving Jacob Rees-Mogg vibes. If the subject of the video was an English political topic would they be so casual? Perhaps they're less bothered about Scottish matters.
@@heycidskyja4668get out of here ya wet wipe
@@heycidskyja4668Or they just wanted to be comfy. That sofa does look comfy.
@@riverkath I think Jacob Rees-Mogg just fancied being comfy in the Commons too.
lol
The craziest election result for me was that an incumbent SNP MP (Richard Thomson) lost to a Tory who has not been an MP
Losing to a Tory in 2024 is an insult itself
He wasn't ousted by a tory, his seat was abolished
@@professorminstrels6460was my constituency, he was still standing in this election against the tory who won
@@pirakaleader2 link to it? Cant find it online
@@professorminstrels6460 but the seat ue contested still contained a large portion of his original seat
Is the couch comfy? Lmao
It’s got nothing to do with these minor in comparison to Westminster “scandals” . The average Scottish voter cares about economic stability, and seeing which way the political wind is blowing. Nothing the SNP did “wrong” holds a candle to the disgrace that is Westminster tories.
@@mrennie5158What?
@@mildlydispleased3221 sometimes when you scroll up and down while replying to something it'll go under another comment
@@mrennie5158 Ah yes the constant bashing of the tories, because the SNP has never done us over, last I checked they members who didn't know what a woman was and called Scotland *Clears throat* TOO WHITE
2019 was all about Brexit. SNP had the clearest plan about what to do about it, meanwhile Labour had the worst infighting within the party on which stance to take.
They had the clearest plan to Fugh Scotland into the ground even harder by becoming the 63rd largest economy and then sinking even lower.
Independence is worse than Brexit. It’ll be 10x worse.
ironically Starmer carved his own route to power by advocating that Labour went down the second referendum path which ultimately led to a pretty predictable failure and ensured Starmer got in as next leader
@@Matthew-bu7fg Nah, second referendum is what Labour members wanted and it's what a large portion of the country wanted. In 2019, Labour get 10m votes, around 32% of the total votes, Liberal Democrats got another 11% of 3.6m and SNP 4% at 1.2m. In total, more than the Tories 43%
The idea of a second referendum was not moot and was not really rejected by voters. The problem was that Corbyn was deeply unpopular in the parliamentary party and was the front of significant in-fighting all the time, but Corbyn also piled on votes in already strong Labour areas, which meant those votes didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
@Matthew-bu7fg Labour went up in the polls when they adopted the 2nd referendum position. John Curtice characterised the red wall seats in 2019 as being of low turnout amongst remain supporters.
Corbyn is responsible for 2019, not Starmer
@@mattbooth307Corbyn was clearly more popular than starmer is though, even if he was also more controversial.
First past the post is a horrible system.. The mere fact Labour got 400+ seats with millions of fewer vote then in 2019 is insane.
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You’ve now just given me another thing to obsess over while procrastinating over more important things! Cheers!
Don't rely on this drivel for anything related to Scottish politics, history or current affairs.
Go and look for things like Common Weal or Bella Caledonia. They are written by people from here and that live here.
- warning alert … English interpreters of Scotland and Northern Ireland politics is always ‘ seen through a glass darkly’. The gerrymandering of NI politics to suit the UK government and in particular unionist / conservatives is the great unspoken truth.
In Scotland we very very often tactically voted to get rid of the corrupt self serving tories, also there is practically no media in Scotland which is fair or balanced politically, so a 50% independence support is an astonishing fact.
Ireland will re-unite within my lifetime and Scotland will quite likely follow when those self serving corrupt class ridden tories get back into power -as they inevitably will.
@@terencequinn2682have you finished your beer yet?
@terencequinn2682 and your view of it is any more accurate?
@@captainjames4649 - or yours “captain”
The SNP losing in Skye is shocking… all seats of Glasgow went Labour…
Independence was dead long before this election. The clue is that only 17% of voters counted the issue as one of their top three, given that includes those who consider it very I portent it doesn't happen, that means only one in ten voters are really keen. You don't get a revolution from that. The real attitude of voters is that one day it would be nice, but just now it's not worth the trouble. There is no reason to think that will change. Brexit might have annoyed Scots, but it didn't have any impact on independence support beyond a few weeks. It's lasting impact is that it makes independence much more risky than it would have been with both countries locked together in the Single Market and customs Union.
The TL;DR to this TL;DR video: lots of scandals.
TL;DW given it's a video channel
And terrible public services
Such as? Anything that wasn't orchetsrtated by the British state? I'll wait.
@@luisfilipe2023which ones?
@@aceman0000099 according to the video healthcare and education (I don’t know if it’s true as I’m not from there)
The SNP have the same problem as the Tories. Complete lack of self awareness, blaming everyone else and no idea what they've done wrong. Long may it continue I supoose, if it leads to the downfall of both.
The irony that you left out labour here is not lost on me
I agree with you but watch out the Labour Party are about to give us a manifesto that will be I believe shocking. Notice PM has brought in some Labourites when Tony Blair was PM. in fact the man himself TB is the one advising the new PM.
Labour havent been in charge of anytbing except wales for the last 14 years. And their legacy is a 20mph speed limit
The SNP deserve slightly more credit than the Tories, jfc.
@@runawaywolf2570 Yeah I'd say the Tories are much worse of course, but under both parties we've seen incompetence, complacency, self serving sleaze, corruption and cover ups and, interestingly, given the SNP and Tories claim on be on completely opposite sides of the political divide, an increase in authoritarianism.
As a Scot who supports independence, and my position on that hasn't changed, I'm glad to see the end to a decade of division and stagnation, I'm fed up of every political discussion in this country rerouting back to the question of independence; No point in trying to convince a majority that independence is the best way to solve the problems we have the powers to solve now, constraints from Westminster or not, I'm tired of the SNP blaming everything on the big bad parliament in London, I'm no fan of WM Politics, I think it's archaic and the outdated traditions are an embarrassment, I want a modern forward looking parliament that works for everyone, and I'm watching keenly to see how the SNP work with the new government, because I wouldn't be surprised if it was the SNP making things hard this time round, there's no "Unelected WM government" argument anymore, and I found it ludicrous that the SNP were banging on about unelected PMs whilst doing the same thing here with First Ministers, I've not voted for Humza or for Swinney - So when's the snap holyrood election like the snap general election they spent so long shouting for under similar circumstances.
Sarwar is NOT popular in Scotland
It seems alarming for the SNP by looking at the seat share, but they were actually only down by 5% of votes compared with the 2019 election. Green and Alba votes were up (indicating around 3% out of the 5% of those lost SNP votes going to these 2 other pro-independence parties), and some switched to Labour. Even pro-independence voters switched to Labour in order to "get the Tories out" as tories are wildly unpopular in most parts of Scotland.
The scandals and post-covid ball drops obviously played an impact, but that impact was exaggerated by FPTP.
I do agree that public services is the top priority for people in Scotland (naturally, a very socialist-leaning country - go figure) and that independence is not an immediate concern for most.
Why would pro independence voters in snp constituencies vote Labour to get the tories out? You'd just continue voting snp.
No, this little narrative is the snp face-saver excuse.
But if the snp choose to believe their own bullshit, so much the better
Humza Yousaf happened.
The Tory government in Westminster made a lot of Scottish voters (including myself) feel far stronger about independence, because we could see how corrupt the Tories were, and how badly they were damaging Scotland.
Now that Keir's Labour government is in power, the situation is very different. Corruption has been supplanted by competence, and Scotland feels like it's being somewhat respected and looked after again. Sure Labour have a mountain to climb to truly fix 14 years of corrupt Tory rule, but it's safe to say both Scotland and the UK have turned a corner for the better, and that's a huge relief.
Delusional. The Labour Party are just a Tory Tribute act
From what I’ve seen, a % SNP voters just see both Labour and the Tories as the same (driven by flaky arguments and little grounds for debate on Facebook)
Labour are wanting to bring Scotland into the mix of Westminster and the entirety of central Scotland (along with the outer Isles) gave Labour the chance to fix the country.
Labour want to push for more housing, protection of worker rights (banning 0 hour contracts and removing the loopholes of fire and rehire)
They’re targeting non-domiciles
Tories just want more of the same mess they’ve made
Nicola Sturgeons arrest and then release without charge.
She's on bail as further investigations continue. She can be arrested and charged at anytime.
@@kennymorrison7227we all can
@@kennymorrison7227 It’s been 12 months so far. Perhaps Jesus will arrest her on his second coming.
@@goodyking6732 I will do what I must.
Operation Branchform is going nowhere. The whole story was contrived out of thin air.
Couple of things. The SNP isn't the Scottish Nationalist Party. That's a dog whistle name the pro-union side give them. It's actually the "National" party. Two wildly different connotations there.
Yes Nicola Sturgeon was indeed arrested after her resignation, but she was subsequently released without charge. It was her husband who was accused of fraud regarding donations. Slight distinction there.
Anas Sarwar isn't as popular a person in Scotland as you paint him as. He just happens to be helming the Labour party, which for years up until this vote wasn't all that remarkable. I do hope he provides the necessary change Scotland needs though, as a Scot who in the recent vote went for the Green party.
I do have to agree that infighting is what held the party back, but the UK press has been consistent in it's utter contempt for the party. At times rightly justified, at others disproportionately caustic, particularly with the backdrop that they gave the Tories complete leeway until it was socially acceptable to start being honest about the shit show.
So, while yes, there's been an erosion of trust in the SNP due to some nonsensical choices, this isn't the end of the party, and much like elsewhere in the uk, the Labour majority is not a stable one and firmly hinges on them doing the right thing quickly.
All the best to the Labour party. This is their chance to prove that Scotland means something to the UK, because if not it'll be back to the SNP for a lot of people.
I'll add a point about independence as people really don't get it down south. There's a broad cross section of Scottish people from all ends of the political spectrum that consistently want Sovereignty from the UK. It's not enough to action, but it's enough to keep an eye on, particularly when that dial shifts.
It's also not an SNP exclusive quirk. Independence isn't a movement that can be quashed by slogans and rhetoric from Westminster or the newspapers - rather it's that kind of constant slander that increases the likelihood of people wanting out. Indy isn't the same as Brexit. Brexit was conceived to rally the Tory party's fringes back to the cause. Indy evolved as a desire independent of party that was eventually given form. It should be noted that the Greens also support Independence, and they're centre left.
So for all those "the dream is dead" folks out there, calm down. One catastrophically wrong move in Westminster and the Scots will rebel.
The indy dream dies when the UK becomes an example of true excellence and prosperity. Are we there yet? Let me know.
ALLEGED to have engaged in criminal acts. LIke everyone who donated to the SNP I made NO stipulation what it was to be spent on.
@@alexboitz8540 Edited to reflect that. Sorry, poor wording on my part.
To think that she had no notion of what her husband was doing is utter rubbish. Plus the recent speech from the last SNP leader about white people I think annoyed a lot of Scots, especially since Scotland is like 98% white.
@@damienreilly4347 100% white in the positions he mentioned and THAT was the point. What was Nicola's husband doing apart from managing the SNP in his position as CEO?
@@damienreilly4347 As the leader of the party, i imagine she did have an idea. I suspect there's been some conflation between spending tax payer money and spending independently donated party money, but the point stands - it really wasn't a good look.
Does that erase all the good she's done? I don't believe so. Not entirely. Certainly not compared to that riot down south.
Humza's white comments are truly bizarre though. His leadership was actively damaging.
Swinney i don't have an opinion on just yet. He doesn't seem to be quite as lead brained i suppose, so I get the feeling he'll steady the ship in time for the next election, but we'll see.
Like i said, if Labour pulls it together then the indy position weakens. At the end of the day I want peoples' lives to improve. I want Scotland to have affordable houses, guaranteed un-debatable rights, a reduction in the wealth gap and good, satisfying jobs. If the UK provides that then my green indy vote would switch.
SNP stands for Scottish National Party - do be careful about this!
No one cares. They can smoke a pipe because they’re a reprehensible bunch.
Aye be careful imagine governing ourselves rather than being dragged along by English voting, 14 years of Tory, Brexit and so on.
@@mjsferrierand 17 years of snp, any party in government that long is ridiculous
Wee nippy Krankie sunk the ship.
It actually stands for Sex Not Politics.
Im in Scotland and everyone I have talked to so far about the election has agreed that the SNP vote is not reflective of the support for the party. Most people think that people voted Labour to get the Tories out but the SNP will have a very different result in the next election in two years. Only time will tell
Everyone I know voted labour to get the SNP out. Why would SNP supporters switch now? Labour were pretty much guaranteed to get in and oust the Tories... That explanation doesn't add up. Much more likely that people were fed up with the sheer incompetence the SNP displayed along with all their scandals.
@@Calcearius I don't honestly know very much about Scottish politics as I only moved back year ago so haven't experienced the SNP. I was quite interested so have been asking around what people think happened and that's what I have been told. But I absolutely acknowledge that you have more insight on this than I have. It will be interesting to see what does happen next election
@@Calcearius To get the SNP out? Of where? Westminster? Have the SNP been incompetent in Westminster?
@@WatcherintheRye Holyrood obviously, not Westminster..
Also, the SNP won 30% of the vote to Labour's 35%. The problem the SNP has is their vote is much more evenly spread throughout Scotland whereas Labour's is quite concentrated and therefore results in a significant number of seats compared to their vote share. The SNP on vote numbers performed significantly better than the Tories, however, on seat numbers they performed significantly worse - such is our bonkers FPTP electoral system (which I note is only used by Belarus and the UK in Europe... nice company to keep!). Keep in mind, as little as a 2.5% swing would put the SNP ahead.
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The fact that the Tories held on to 5 seats in Scotland when they were wiped out in Wales is utterly baffling to me.
Two reasons I can think of. Single issue party whose issue is almost dead. With the exception of Brexit more closely allied with the Tories and the public wanted them gone. Leadership and the ongoing, I think, investigations didn't help
To call out education and the NHS is bizzar to say the least!
The Pisa results in England and Scotland are not comparable because England was nearly 7x less represented than Scotland.
In England, just 4,8% of 3,458 Secondary Schools took part.
In Scotland, 32,8% of 357 Secondary Schools took part.
The Scottish NHS is the best performing in the UK. It is certainly not where the People of Scotland want it to be but this is after 14 years of austerity from WM. Scotland has put in place extra funding, but it does not have a magic money tree. Unlike WM.
PISA is also not a definitive educational ranking. It´s an interesting ranking and one to bear in mind, but it only measures 3 subjects.
@@Minimmalmythicist Indeed. In this (and all others) case it only represents the data you feed it. England's data input was flawed. This was noted by the Prof in charge of it who said the lowest performing schools were not included...
Right? This video has conveniently skipped a lot of good damage-control policy the SNP has enacted in response to the Tories. Nicola, like her or loath her, handled Covid exceptionally well too.
This video reeks of "well i don't like the SNP, but i'll give them a sprinkle of positivity, and then try to paint them as thoroughly incompetent otherwise", essentially the way Westminster typically treats Scotland. Out of sight, out of mind until they sniff something to gain.
@@thefastandthedead1769 I hate the PISA obsession in the press, I´m no SNP fan, so you know where I´m coming from, but for the reasons you gave+mine, it´s an unfair attack on them.
@@Minimmalmythicist Yes it is plain old manipulation.
3:28 Anas Sarwar popular ?! what da heck is that based on? the vote for labour here was not a vote for Sarwar.
FPTP and tactical voting to out the Tories at all cost. That's mostly it.
Pish. The tactical voting was to oust the snp not the tories. Labour would’ve won even if they hadn’t won one seat in Scotland
Maybe it is as it can be difficult to distinguish between SNP and Tory, embezzlement, high tax, crumbling schools and hospitals, falling standards of education, expenses scandal, missing WhatsApp messages and unnecessary deaths of thousands in care homes. Can you see the similarities.
The only reason that people would tactically vote for other parties in SNP held constituencies is to get rid of the SNP. It would make no sense to tactically vote to get rid of the Torys in constituencies that they had never in history held. That would seem counter intuitive.
@@PLeon-kd1yd Labour’s entire campaign was centred around getting the Tories out, and the media also propagated this argument.
Most of the Labour voters I talked to gave this as their reason, even the ones I know who’s views line up closer with Greens or Lib Dem (or even still the SNP) were under the assumption that voting Labour was the best way to get the Tories out of Westminster.
@@benjones9442 So in the seats that fell to the Lib Dems, people didn't get the memo and accidentally also booted out the sitting SNP candidates?
Fun fact - if just three more tory constituencies had flipped, you would have been able to walk from land's end to John O'groats without having to wipe your feet
The SNP brought in laws that are not popular with the public e.g. Hate crime law which created chaos for Police Scotland and the minimum pricing for alcohol which did not reduce the alcohol related deaths and the extra money created did not go to the NHS but the retailer. They also started to tell the public what they wanted rather than the other way round.
The Lancet (not the SNP) found a significant 13·4% reduction in deaths wholly attributable to alcohol consumption & hospitalisations wholly attributable to alcohol consumption by 4·1%. Effects were driven by significant improvements in chronic outcomes, particularly alcoholic liver disease. Furthermore, legislation was associated with a reduction in deaths and hospitalisations wholly attributable to alcohol consumption in the four most socioeconomically deprived deciles in Scotland.
I know certain demographics just want to loaded, but the bnefits are clear. Consumption down by 3%. FWIW, sugar tax is working even better.
I cannot believe how badly they did. I thought i was being harsh when I predicted 20
If you can't believe it then you don't understand how first past the post works.
@@PorthLlwyd i understand how it works, as do the pollsters, and even the most accurate MRPs didn't show them going into single digits
@@blisseyran-dom6822 30% of the vote and finishing 2nd in every constituency isn't as bad as the seats won suggests.
Labour's going find out the reason themselves soon enough.
Video on why the Labour vote share fell in Wales when?? Has to be the Gething scandal, his refusal to stand down after losing a vote of no confidence, Drakeford’s deeply unpopular blanket 20 mph among other issues. In Denbighshire where I am we have some bin shit going on and that left the Labour candidate vulnerable but she scraped in.
The irony of that is that Labour gained several seats.
@@leonbanks5728not in wales
@@leonbanks5728people haven’t looked or thought about wales when they voted Labour
@@mickeypitty3680nope, labour gained 6 seats in wales
I am shocked that labour got ANY votes after the absurd 20mph thing.
Scot and SNP voter here. I think it's a number of factors. 16 years in power brings voter fatigue. The party has faced a few scandals now. Yousaf tanked the agreement with the Greens. I think Scots voted Labour because their priority was getting the Tories out. The cost of living and public services are what people are concerned about. I think independence is taking a back seat for a while. Swinney misread the country very badly by making this election about independence.
And voting for Labour who now becomes a little more like Troy with the red tie is a great idea?
It almost like they just jump out of fry and heading to fire
@@tiglishnobody8750 my mum used that same phrase when we discussed the election. She has numerous conditions and is on a cocktail of medications so she is unable to work anymore. Kendall saying she wants more disabled people into work and wants to reduce the amount of people on sickness benefits makes me extremely wary and distrustful of Labour. This is why I don't share many Starmer lovers' enthusiasm for this new government.
For me, who lived in the northern most constituency on the mainland. I used to Vote SNP but now I can't stand them. They focus all the government spending on the central belt and neglect the Highlands. The way they failed to modernise the only Main road in and out the Highlands, The A9, where people dying on a daily basis was the final straw for me.
The SNP has acted with an air of invincibility in Scotland. Hence, all the scandals and crises. They'll argue its all worth it in pursuit of independence, but at this rate, they will ruin us before that even happens
More likely to take this analysis more seriously if you were to get the name of the Scottish National Party correct. Boris Johnson would deliberately call them Nationalist, so I hope you are not doing the same.
This channel knows nothing about Scottish or Northern Irish politics, every video that has anything to do with Scottish politics is grossly un-reseached and unable to use actual names
@@HootMaRoot it’s actually concerning. I always thought this channel was pretty information accurate, but as someone who’s tbh quite disillusioned towards our political options in Scotland (apart from independence), I consider myself pretty unbiased here and don’t feel like the views and reasoning of the Scottish electorate is properly reflected here.
@@enemystand2981The state of English discourse on the matter of Scotland is an absolute disgrace.
Perhaps what's more of a disgrace though is the fact that English media is the dominant media in Scotland where frankly it has no right to be.
How dare they presume to tell us about ourselves as if they knew us.
@@HootMaRoot The fact that they use the flag of R o I for N I, at 7.08, proves your point.
I love how you're actively ignoring one of biggest factors; Humza. Really don't want to come across as racist, do you?
westminster is not for england, but for the whole of the UK! England does not have a parliament for itsself, and as such is underrepresenteated and loses power, compared to Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland, they can make rules that affect England but we can't make rules affecting them due to their devolved parliament!
6:40 - “Uniquely” - Jack, do you and the staff know the meaning of that word?
Wales literally has 0 conservative members, Scotland has more than 1.
Their views on Europe gender and immigration are what finished the SNP should be concentrating on independence
Exactly this.
And the fact they might have defrauded their own supporters
Easy - Humza Yousaf.
Nicola sturgeon destroyed the party
@@mak5963She was so effective at doing so I've begun to believe it was deliberate. Either kompromat or she was a plant all along.
FPTP really is undefendable.
It’s perfectly defensible. It exists to ensure Labour or Tories will win.
Agreed, scrapping it for proportion of vote share means the UK can hand 15% of seats in the Union to Reform UK, means they get an even louder voice
FPTP prevented that
@@marcusaustralius2416 If that is the only justification, then you should try a fascist dictatorship model. 100% stop to all niche ideas and 100% stability.
@windwaker0rules my statement is neutral, FPTP stopped Reform from getting the seats they earned
This needs to change.
@windwaker0rules Its really not indefensible.
Every voting system has positive and negatives. It really comes down to your personal preference.
. . ."They Didn't Fix The Potholes" ! . . .
Our NHS, Education Systems and Police force in tatters and they were talking about transgender toilets. Clueless.
As a lifelong SNP voter I just couldn't force myself to vote for them this time because of the crazy hate speech bill and allowing men to decide whether they want to spend time in a mans prison or a prison for women. Bin this nonsense NOW!
It is the Scottish NATIONAL Party.
Count Dankula: "Oh no, what happened? Oh no, how terrible! That's just awful, how terrible oh no!" 🤣
The SNP has in little more than a ten years managed to squander all the progress that previous generations spent decades building up. After finally managing to get a referendum in 2014 they did not convince the Scottish electorate to support independence. They were then handed a thumping great majority and a chance to prove that they could govern a devolved administration instead. As it turned out they just muddled along displaying no evidence that they had any better idea how to run public services than their counterparts in the rest of the UK.
Even if SNP voters have not switched to other parties it’s clear that many demonstrated their discontent by refusing to turn up and support them at the ballot box. And no wonder: the harsh truth is that the SNP have failed to deliver self-government and failed to manage devolved government. It the party cannot do either of those things it’s hard to see the point of its continued existence. It’s a disheartening state of affairs. I’ve no idea where the SNP goes from here and I don’t think the current leadership knows either. And that’s another disaster for Scotland.
Stop slavering pish, massive tactical voting here to oust the tories, Scottish elections aren’t until 2026.
Alba Party run by Alex Salmond, lost its two Westminster MPs, who were SNP defections, and all their election candidates lost their deposits last Thursday. The election collapse of SNP and Alba seems to indicate that independence is not a pressing concern for Scottish voters.
Humza, Gething, Sunak, all unelected
It’s not the individual you elect, but the party. It doesn’t matter if it has a new leader, as it is the same party that the electorate voted for. If it’s like America where you directly vote for president, then you would have a point as its not the same individual
@@MichaelKearnan They were installed to be the first non-white leaders of Britain, simple as that. They knew a vote wouldn't work so took advantage of our system (which needs to change). PMs hold near absolute power over their parties and the public. Unelected Humza made it law you can be arrested for words said at home... They should be elected, otherwise their "power" is illegitimate. Power derives from the people
@@MichaelKearnan True, but I think that it matters. It appears that the British voters, and especially the Scottish voters, agree with me.
@MichaelKearnan I think part of the problem is the SNP made so much hay out of successive Tory leaders being selected by the party and therefore in their view not having a popular mandate. It was an argument a lot of people seem to have responded well to... Definitely became an awkward square for the SNP to circle when Yousaf came in and turned out to be much less popular with the public than the party.
Humza was elected, as was Swinney. It’s not possible to be First Minister without an election. Labour, Libdems and Labour Leaders all stood against.
SNP voters stayed at home is the conclusion disappointed with SNP policy that were not to do with independence. The independence movement is staying just under 50% and demographics will see it increase over time as younger less unionist orientated. Labour got 36% of Scottish vote , SNP got 30% yet labour got 4 times as many seats such is the fptp that starmer wont change.
Corp was ok for the cult when they won 50+ seats tho. Dry ur eyes pal. No one wants useless snp
Though that could change, people might become more in favour of the Union with age. Indeed, anyone with any kind of asset who supports Scotish independence is clinically insane.
Apart from a surge during COVID19 there support has remained at around 45% for years now. The problem the SNP has is there are two wings the "Independence NOW NOW NOW" and "We need to build a case". Unfortunately, the party is dominated by the NOW NOW NOW wing so typified by Hamza Usaf and John Swinney. I could never make my mind up about Sturgen I feel she was build a case but struggled to manage the expectations of the NOW NOW NOW wing. Anyway chances of a referendum are now zilch for the remainder of this Scottish Parliament. Swinney needs to go and they need to replace him with Kate Forbes who is actually popular with the public, which comes to point two.
The public do not actually support the transgender reforms as constituted and when it all blew up in their face over Isla Bryson rather than accept they had got it wrong and move on, they attempted to pick a constitutional fight with the Westminster government despite the legal advice being they where on a losing ticket. Then having been given a kicking over that Usaf decided as First Minister he would start discussing foreign policy over Gaza with Erdogan. The guy is lucky not to have spent time in the Elizabeth Tower for contempt of Parliament. As a lawyer he should have known better.
Coupled with financial shenanigans and the picking of the wrong leader (I circle back to Kate Forbes was the right pick instead of Usaf originally) they were going to get a kicking and that has been apparent for 12 months now.
What they need to do is replace Swinney with Forbes, put independence on the back burner, drop the transgender stuff, and finally drop all talk of encouraging immigration. Then work on sorting out Scotlands problems, which above all else means leave education well alone. If you are going to do something about education roll back the disastrous changes of the last 15 years that clearly have not worked.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 They can never put it on the backburner. It's their raison etre!
@@Minimmalmythicist In an uncertain World. It would surely be prudent to stay with the Nation which defends you.
I love the new couch style video. It looks much more like some friend explaining something, which helps the learning, because people listen to a friend more than a teacher.
If you understand that Scotland is becoming more cosmopolitan every year (especially with English people moving up),you'll realise that the.high vote for SNP will never happen again!
The SNP are not Scottish nationalists. Sturgeon herself said she doesn’t like the word. They are little more than European regionalists.
The SNP call themselves nationalists
There’s footage of Sturgeon addressing the membership ad the national conference saying “Fellow nationalists”
This is actually irrelevant regards Scotland as sending them to Westminster is a pointless exercise but where it does kill them is the loss of short money and being bankrupt with almost 2 million of debt and their troubles don't stop there, donations drying up, membership dropping and the last large donation was around 127k left to them in a will which was reported that the bulk of that being paid to Sturgeons "Husband" as he had loaned them money, I cant confirm if it was his money but it was someone's money.
The real test will be in 2026 with the Scottish elections and if Labour devolve more more powers to these criminal deviants then Labour may find itself on the end of a real hiding when those elections come and that will follow through to the GE
I suspect that Labour will lose the next GE because of the economy.
The SNP will probably follow the same path as the PQ in Québec...
I think the SNP need the Tories in Westminster in order to exist since that party is their main punching bag
The SNP exists to get Scottish independence. Well why hasn’t it been done?
we arent allowed to
We already said no, move on
@@leebowden4798you forget 2014?
@@artair70 That was 10 years ago. Since then we had 10 years of Tories, Brexit, and COVID. The entire political climate was changed and we were lied to.
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Nicola Sturgeon is to the SNP what Nigel Farage is to UKIP/Brexit Party/Reform. She is essential in pushing forward the agenda. She's an electoral gladiator. She speaks well, she is extremely persuasive and the SNP seemed far less volatile with her as leader. Her/her husband's financial jiggery pokery has effectively seized the SNP wave.
Anas Sarwar isn't that popular at all. Most people are apathetic to him.
It’s the Scottish National Party ffs. Jfc guys
This is the second time they've made this mistake. It must be intentional.
SNP does not stand for Scottish Nationalist Party. They're not nationalists at all.
They ARE nationalists. In fact, I'd argue they're one of the few real-deal nationalists left. The rest calling themselves nationalists have gone down the extremist route, but the SNP seems to still do nationalism right.
@@octavianpopescu4776is that why Humza Yousaf was attempting to crack down on freedom of expression and ranted about how there are too many white people (ie Scots) in the country?
@@foregone_roulette Absolutely.
B@@octavianpopescu4776nonsense, what happened to the snp is the same as what happened to the tories and Labour, we got sick of their incompetence, cronyism and their desperation to hold on to power at any cost.
@@octavianpopescu4776 Not Nationalists as they would immediately sell the Scots to Brussels and the Scots would have less freedom than they do now.
Why did the snp do so bad because they are pure crap 🤣🤪🏴🇬🇧
The Labour governement got all the Tory vote in Scotland and swung a lot of marginal seats. The vote share tells a different story. There are also hundreds of thousands of English migrants into Scotland since 2020.
No mention of the madness over gender self ID playing a large role in their downfall?
In the North they were strongly punished for their failure to deliver dual carriageway upgrades to the primary North/South route, the A9, commonly regarded as Road of Death.
Not to mention the A96, that's desperately needed too.
@@fionamunro3381 Not to mention London to Edinburgh.......
@@basicconcepts1d I think you will find most of that route is not in Scotland. Not just the SNP to blame there.
@@fionamunro3381 In the not too distant future this will be known as the Union Highway. This is intended to irritate the Nats.
Keep in mind that the Scottish Parliament itself is still ran by the SNP, adn the Scottish Parliament is responsible for Scotlands public services and the such. The General Election result shows that people are dissatisfied with the SNP, but nothing can be done about it until the elections for the Scottish parliament are called, and they are not due to be called until May 2026.
i wouldn't be surprised if the SNP are still the largest party though after that election
@@tomgachagan1347 Never in a Million Years.
@@basicconcepts1d it's 2 years away, a long time in political terms. conservatives went from hung parliament to a landslide win in 2 years. the snp can and will recover, matter of when not if
Since when was supporting public services socially conservative? From what I understand, every left wing person I know, myself included, supports both investment in public services and progressive social policy, they do not oppose each other in any way
turns out public services need to atleast function for anything to work.
There's a massive elephant in the room you haven't mentioned: the trans debate. I could be wrong but it might have played a part.
It's the Scottish NATIONAL Party, not nationalist
@@vatnidd how are they not nationalists? I thought only reason for this party to exist is to separate Scotland from U.K. as separate nation state. SNP is plainly nationalists.
@@PiotrKuczaj Nationalist: a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
What nation is Scottish independence to the exclusion or detriment of?
Typical SNP Snazi trying to differentiate themselves from other nationalists with their double-think. As a Scot I’m so pleased they got a drubbing at this election. They have been a total disaster for Scotland and with the exception of their jingo diehards most people have seen the reality.
@@PiotrKuczaj They are, but that's not the name of the party
@@goodyking6732 The rest of the country?
While not mentioned in this video, Alba, got fewer than 12,000 votes and no seats. I wonder if Salmond will still continue with it?
They lost their deposit in every single seat they contested (17). Support for pro-independence parties was way down across the board, can't see Salmond continuing, he'll be back off to Russia TV.
Alba was only standing in handful of places, and get next to no media coverage, but they do have an uphill battle be interesting to see how they do in regional vote in 2026, if they get nothing from that i suspect they will pack it in.
@@user-cu5gc4qz8p 17 seats and lost their deposit in each one. Salmond has been all over the media, not seen him much since Thursday night though 🤔
@@robcarrol Where i didn't even know they were standing till Friday when i saw him sky news talking about the general scottish results. Were they on any of the debates?
@@user-cu5gc4qz8p I can't recall anyone from Alba apart from Alex Salmond being interviewed. It's a bit of a dent in his massive ego to get such a poor result.
The issue with the snp to me is they are a 1 story party. They are not and never were interested in running Scotland only in getting independence. At some point they should have got on with running a great country personally I’m anti independence and voted to remain with the uk and leave the eu. I have friends that were also leave the eu and leave the uk. They like me also feel that the snp stopped caring about Scotland and just caring about getting independence.
Funnily enough I have a friend that is really big on independence and he put it really well, people forget that once we get independence we don’t need to keep the snp and we can get rid of those ‘insert worse expletive you can think of’ as well.
As a scot I noticed 2 things. consistent negative press, especially the accounting allegations and the incredibly dragged out timescale of the investigation which may well last until it may prove useful for the next scottish elections.. and then there was the utterly incompetent handling of the green split (which has previously allowed them to remain in government in scotland) and then the resignation of Humza as a result. The delays and way things were handled doesn;t seem logical. It seems to me other forces are at work there.
Also most scots simply hated boris johnston and this was reflected in the last election. Overall it's more a return to the norm rather than a collapse.
It comes down to people realizing after Brexit how disasterous a Scottish exit would be.
Considering scotland's trade comes in and out of english ports via the A1, M6 East & West coast mainlines.
it would do massive economic damage.
@@davidty2006 that´s right, there´s also the currency issue which is a key reason why "NO" won the referendum.
Anyone remotely in touch with reality would vote against Scottish independence.
@@Minimmalmythicist You've got the wrong end of the stick - England NEEDS Scotland not the other way about! Scotland could well survive on it's own. It has an endless amount of natural energy that isn't going to stop any time soon (the wind farms) and decades worth of oil reserves in the North Sea. This is worth millions and millions of pounds Sterling. The English government need this money, without it they would be a hell of a lot poorer.
Good joke 😂😂@@Steff-d2e
@@Steff-d2e that´s basically the argument for Brexit, just replace "UK" with Scotland and "EU" with UK and you have an argument that wasn´t true then and isn´t true now.
It´s not having just one resource that makes a country better off, it´s having access to trade routes, it´s having economic diversity and Scotland has more of that within the UK, than as an independent country.
Literally, if Scotland declared independence it would be making trade harder with its nearest neighbour and single biggest export partner.
Simply put, we got sick of them. Yes they are mired in some pretty bad scandals, and Humza was just plain awful as a leader but it's more than just that. We've actually become sick of how they approach and discuss independence, regardless of stance on it.
It's become the answer to every single criticism of them as a party and the answer to every political issue (NHS, Crime, Economy, etc.). They've become dismissive of normal everyday issues facing most Scots, in favour of advancing a purely Independence agenda. They've become a single issue party - touting independence at every opportunity, actively picking fights over it, and doing very little constructively to aid Scotland as a part of the UK - which we are.
Scotland wanted a bit of change too, and only Labour really seemed to offer that.
Bread and butter issues always wins in the end
What scandal(s) exactly?
I agree that the SNP lost their way. The only problem is that historically Labour did nothing for Scotland other than preside over the unequal pay debacle in Glasgow and saddle the country with decades of PFI debt which are still being paid off. If past performance is a guide there may be trouble ahead. The FPTP system disguises that 2/3rds of the country didn't vote Labour yet ended up with a 'landslide'. FPTP is designed for a 2 party system which is far removed from today's UK.
What bollocks. What scandals? And the Tories have scandals 100s if not 1000 of times higher.
@@alexboitz8540 Look up Operation Branchform which is about fraud surrounding SNP finances, and the Caledonian 'Ferry Fiasco'
Because independence was always an insane, unnecessary, stupid idea, and the SNP and their supporters took an inordinate time to realise it.
The leaders realised first, and started removing themselves from the line of fire, one by one. The followers took a longer time before it struck home, but got there in the end!
@@alasdairfinlayson so you wish to run by a foreign party then move to England
You're objectively wrong.
@@kennethmclennan905
What foreign party?
I thought this one would be obvious. Scandals plus general party fatigue. People wanted a change.
I think the tldr team missed the mark on this video. Incorrect stating the name of the SNP and failing to consider that many people including myself voted labour to get the Tories out of Westminster. I'd still vote SNP in the Holyrood election over labour
Fact is vote share didn't change that much.. we had one of the lowest voter turnouts in a while
Snp ain't finished. And if they are. Independence definitely is not.
The SNP are down, but definitely not out. It´s very hard for political parties to die, what I suspect will happen next Scottish elections is you´ll get a Labour-Libdem coalition, but eventually like the last one, they´ll run into issues and lose popularity too.
😂😂😂
Must be nice living in a fantasy world 🤣
Good, Britain should be united
Keep dreaming... England is turning more and more right wing.
The flag used to represent Northern Ireland is not correct. You used the Republic of Ireland flag.
Perhaps calling the people of Scotland for racists for simply being white, might not have helped either.
because they pushed through laws that nobody wanted and that weren't needed.
The laws you talk of were passed by all political parties in Scotland, and then blocked by Westminster using section 35 orders. So they don’t actually exist.
Still way better than Labour has ever been in Scotland. I swear people have amnesia. Are we really about to fall for the exact same nonsense? Scottish labour does not exist, make no mistake.
@@gordonmackenzie4512 the hate speech law wasn't
@@Andy1119 When you bother to read the hate crime law, you'll recognise that there's nothing wrong with it.
What would you like to say to certain people that you can't now? Can't be anything good if you're upset about it.
@PersonyPerson considering this law was suggested as something that would have been used to imprison Mark Meechan, the youtuber arrested and falsely imprisoned for making a satirical youtube video, im very suspicious of anyone who supports these awful laws.
Love the change in scenery, would love to see more of it, and maybe even outside for explanation videos, Tom Scott style ❤
Were is all the missing taxpayer's money and there still promoting independence. They are a party of political grievance and divisions. They still carried this on at Westminster also. As a party they complained about everything and were ashamed of nothing.
There was a bizarre speech made by Humza Yousaf in Holyrood where he targeted white people in leading positions, just due to the fact that they are white. A few strong independence leaning people I knew were concerned with SNP after this and I imagine it affected quite a lot of people too
This speech definitely hurt his chances. No idea what he was thinking. Imaging standing in the Nigerian elections and complained that all the positions in power were held by black people? I don't know what point he was trying to make with it at all.
It's the Scottish National party, not Nationalist. Lazy journalism. It was tactical vote for an influential Labor win in Westminster.
yes as the best way to stop a Tory majority
was for SNP voters who had an SNP MP to vote for labour MP
I guess YOON's like myself are too stupid to understand the logic
I usually vote SNP. I didn't this time round. They've just not felt like a party if I'm honest. Independence would be great, for sure. But it's just so incredibly unlikely to happen that it's not worth throwing away my vote on a party that isn't going to have any power anyway.
After the gender id bill was just outright blocked, it became very clear to me, that Scotland has no power.
What is interesting is the difference between the SNP approach and that of Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland. The SNP put independence front and centre of its agenda, while Sinn Fein simply allowed their record on social policies to stand for itself, and reunification with the Republic was put on the back burner. Sinn Fein won no extra seats, but they are far and away the largest party in Northern Ireland.
Where did you get the idea Sarwar was 'remarkably popular'?
'Cause he is.
@@mildlydispleased3221he’s really not, yougov has his popularity extremely low. As a Scot I will say I quite like Keir Starmer but really dislike Sarwar, he seems utterly smug and deluded about how Scotland feels, took Starmers victory as a condoning of himself
@keirlamont2806 He seems like a nice bloke and his popularity will probably rise when he is in office, he's just as personally unpopular as Swinney, the difference is, people are sick of the SNP.
The polls
It's funny how Sturgeon's idea of turning the referendum into an unofficial, rhetorical referendum disappeared when it was pretty clear that they had no chance.
To be fair, I don't think that was her idea. I'm no fan of the SNP and a unionist- but Sturgeon had some scruples about independence, such as requiring EU membership and with that she knew Scotland holding a defacto referendum would be a huge red flag to the EU, who don't want members who are rebellious from the outset. It's the more rabid separatists in the party who see independence as something to achieve at any cost who have self destructed the party. It's almost like it was a bad idea to structure an entire party's popularity around one issue... 🤔
@@hamsterminator Okay, but that's not really the point: everyone views it that way as she pushed it a lot, so it just clarifies to what I'm referring. I'm not saying that it was the cause of their downfall. I think that that's been many things, including her arrest; I'm just saying that since their downfall, viewing this election as a referendum would allegedly mean that the Scots don't want independence, which obviously isn't how they want it to be viewed.
Great new format, no huge microphone hiding half the presenter's face and sound quality still very good.
Just like the Tories, people of Scotland are fed up the SNP (the tartan Tories).
It looks like you envited me to your house to talk about Sotich independence XD
That's what he told you anyway 😏
Only later did you find the true intentions 😳😱
That's how they always get you
"Come over, let's talk about the SNP" 🤣
@@dftfireI see what you did there 😏😏😏😏😏
Liking this different background! The little polaroids are cute lol
Jack's doing the Jacob Rees Mogg posture check
I really like the change of scenery and atmosphere, very cool! Also I think lack of a big stonking SM7B microphone covering 30% of the frame is an improvement. To boot, the dialogue (monologue) sounded way more natural to me (except for the ad roll at the end of course). Keep up the good work guys!
The SNP have been governing Scotland for 17 years and the electorate are blaming them for the effects of Tory austerity, made worse by party divisions. Given the volatility of recent elections it could easily swing back to the SNP in the future.
This is the most accurate and concise assessment of the situation.
Maybe people just voted for labour to get rid off the nasty party And it doesn't reflect there individual stance on Scottish Independence.
And vote to Labour who doesn't even care about Scotland and treat them as just extra voter
So you've got an snp mp, who isn't tory, you want independence so you vote Labour to get rid of the non existing tory.
Right, sure