You are lacking A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND AS MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN YOUR FIELD, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU VERY MUCH ENJOY THE SOUND OF YOUR OWN VOICE! Your analysis is 💯% 💩
The craziest story I’ve ever heard about the ice man is from an EMT. He and his partner were responding to a call one night and heard another call go out for a nearby prison. Both teams brought their patients to the same hospital as they finished up this young rookie EMT looked up to see the ice man handcuffed to a stretcher where he was so big his legs hung off the end. The EMT’s mouth dropped open as he met his eyes. The Ice Man looked at him and growled “What are you looking at?” This EMT without missing a beat said “It’s not everyday I meet someone who has 3 HBO specials about them.” The ice man laughed. He made him laugh!😂
I was a clinician in corrections. Wanting to appear as a threat can be a survival tactic there, not a reflection of narcissism. He had nothing to lose by inflating his criminal accomplishments, and may have gained some protection from other powerful inmates. Agree with other commenters that the apparent affection for family compared to his emotionless treatment of victims is an intriguing dichotomy, and one that I observed in many inmates.
@@justtoxic3716 not sure who you are replying to. I happen to prob be the only person here, including over Grande, that knows what is true here with Iceman and what isn't.. Psychopaths are often narcissistic. Saying none of them brag about their crimes is pretty ignorant.
@@NoReligion77 all psychopaths are narcissistic, but not all narcissists are psychopathic. Psychopathy is also a trait. You can't technically diagnose anyone with it. NPD in other hand is different.
I always thought he looked like he enjoyed making himself be a bigger serial killer than he was. I think the documentaries about him are very naive in just taking his word on things, for no other reason than it makes him more interesting in media.
F: Agreed. In the interview I saw him do, he seemed to use only one weapon, cyanide. He said that he would either put it in people's food or drink. or put it in his own drink in a bar, pretend to be drunk, and then spill it on his victim. It worked it's way through his clothing and killed him after a while. He also mentioned only one motive, money. He said that he was paid more than half a million dollars per killing. It all seemed pretty plausible to me. But you know, when you are watching an interview with a mass murderer called "The Ice Man," you are primed to believe that kind f thing.
"Richard, I have a feeling if I listen to you long enough, you'll tell me you shot President Lincoln." Kuklinski laughed and said "Yeah. You're probably right."
Yeah he's full of shit on how many he killed I say 50 at most he told them that so he would be known for killing the most people cause he knew he was never getting out so why not tell them u killed 300 or killed Kennedy or some shit like that
This was SPOT ON. A great analysis; I found myself confused by many of the claims he made, he obviously was a serial killer but many things he said were contradicted under oath by undercover officers who worked in the same circles. I think you really nailed this one. Subscribed!
I remember the HBO doc about Kuklinski and other analyses done by criminal profilers. One said that he had a fearlessness that you often see in professions like police, firefighters, race car drivers or people who do extreme sports. Had he been raised in a loving, nurturing home~he may have been a credit to society instead of a degenerate killer.
Lol man I’m barely 6ft and 260lbs and get doorman offerings, no way in shit would I put a hand on a 6’5 dude that’s 320lbs, even if I don’t get laid out everything in a 10m radius is destroyed lmao
Your analysis of him, put into words, my thoughts about him and his interviews. He is a great many things, including a good story teller. Stories that he would like to be true, stories that may fool some, but stories that never fooled me.
You do have a knack of making complex psychiatric cases easy to understand. I have worked with many cases of severe abuse (some of whom experienced all types of abuses from their parents/carers throughout their childhood). What I am still intrigued by is what the exact psychodynamics are that create those who do not kill or harm, versus those that do - seeing that many cases were so similar that one would have thought all of them would have become hugely violent. However, I did not do long term follow up with them, so they could have been killing and harming and not told me or been caught yet, or they could have gone on to develop those behaviours. What is clear, is that we have developed societies that appear to not teach and support people about how to become functional parents.
Appreciate you Todd, seriously you are no doubt someone that can get down to the root cause of personalities & inform your subscribers - always so educational! Give us more of the latest nut cases out there - seems like the dysfunction never ends!!! Thanks a bunch!
Thanks for the great content Mr. Grande. It's great to hear from a professional about this as it provides some ground to rethink our first impressions.
Watching Dr. Park Dietz explain Kuklinski to himself was very memorable. What a meeting of minds that was. "The Iceman" was a very scary individual. It's easy to imagine running afoul of someone like him in a bar, say, where so much violence begins. Edit: Interesting to learn you think he didn't commit all the murders he claimed to have committed. I guess he always had murder on his mind. Edit: The likelihood that he exaggerated his "kill count" makes him comparable to Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole and, probably, Bundy. Imagine taking pride in how many people you've killed and in the threat you present to unsuspecting people. Edit: I can remember being really impressed with the calmness and clarity of the doctor's mind as he explained Kuklinski to himself. And looking back, I think I sensed compassion in his attitude towards the killer. That's remarkable. Again, this must be where compassion and dispassion merge. He's a psychiatrist, so he's an M.D., so he's taken the Hippocratic Oath (and really lived up to it in this instance). Which makes me wonder if psychologists and social workers and counselors swear a similar oath.
Most of his claims can be dismissed. He was only spotted once or twice by surveillance and no known mafia members seem to remember him. Roy DeMeo on the other hand is remembered by everyone. My guess is that he was a peripheral figure. I might have whacked one or two but most of what came out of his mouth was fairytales about who he'd wish he was. 99% fraud.
Dietz interview is so fascinating! Watching Kuklinski’s face, emotions...Feel bad for him regarding his childhood. He was created, but also must be some genetic cause too since his own parents were so cruel. Feel bad he did want a normal loving life as well as shown by ability to have or appear to be a loving family man. Obviously feel worse for majority of his victims though. A being I would never want to even know I exist!
I remember when I was younger believing everything he said because I was so scared of him. I'm no doctor, but the points you make are certainly logical and make sense. Although dangerous, I now know that RK was just a mental patient like me. Thanks again!
I don’t really understand why he is a mental? Don’t you think 🤔 for a second that perhaps RK was just a mean person, not a mental patient. What if it is like that. He is in jail for a reason, otherwise he would have ended up in an institution. Make yourself a favor not comparing yourself to someone like him.
@@paulafigueroa1573 if i think about it, doesn't everything manifest itself from a mental state? Mine, yours, richards....so be it if we have the same mental state to do what he did, for whatever reasons...$40,000 was probable a very good incentive...
This is such a professional explanation and presentation. Communicated in a forceful and rich way. Arguing why vulnerable narcissism would be more likely than PPD was convincing.
As this being a very interesting documentary to watch, that man was outright methodical and frightening,. Yet, he seemed like he could be a very charming and likeable person if one didn't know his dark side. Is it just me that feels that? Guess that's the hallmark of psychopathy, eh?
So far as I am concerned it's the scariest thing about psychopathy. If you're out in the Serengeti facing down a lion the lion will not be trying to charm the pants off you. You know what the lion's game is.
Ms. Sharon I agree Mrs. Sharon. Sociopath train themselves to put up a good front and make things look nice. What they don’t mention is he beat the hell out of his first wife daily. This guy was the lowest of the low
mschickie007 You wouldn’t feel so sorry if it was your Dad, or any man in your life that he murdered to “tryout the cyanide” I feel sorry for that man that the only thing he did to anyone was walk down the street
ctbadcop15 I feel sorry for his victims too , I just meant he was mercilessly beaten by his dad , that’s so sad to hear . Some people should not be parents period.
I'm sorry, but when you were listing all the various methods Kuklinski stated he used to kill his supposed victims all I could think of was Wile E Coyote and his Acme inventions to get rid of Road Runner.😂. I would really like to hear your opinion about the Uber killer, Jason Dalton. 2016, Kalamazoo, Mi. He seemingly had no prior mental health problems, yet went out on one day and shot and killed several people, all the while picking up Uber rides in between. Your well thought out and thorough discussions on possible mental health causes for the crimes is very interesting and informative.
Indamaya : He said he'd been working for Uber for less than a week and had noticed something unusual about the mobile app. He said,"The minute that I logged on, I don't know what happened,but it literally took over my mind and body."
Derrick Bird was a taxi driver in England who went of a killing spree in 2010, killing 12 people in Cumbria before turning the gun on himself. Analysis of individual's such as Dalton and Bird would be interesting for sure.
I lived in Portage MI, across the highway to Kalamazoo, when the Jason Dalton incident tool place. Not that it has anything to do with my forthcoming opinion, that just because someone has had no prior evidence witnessed by others or previously diagnosed with mental health issues, by no measure means that it was not either present or in development. It just indicates that it was not noticed by others, or previously diagnosed.
Thank you for your analysis. I have repeatedly viewed the 3-part HBO program showing the interviews with Richard Kuklinski. It was interesting to watch his body language and manner in which he responded to questions. The part of the interview where he tells Dr. Dietz "You almost made me mad" was interesting and chilling. It was as if a switch went off in his head in response to Dr. Dietz's questioning. Regarding the "nature v. nurture" (genes v. environment) approach in assessing Kuklinski's behavior, clearly he had the bad luck of getting bad genes combined with an abusive upbringing. That said, I know people who came from abusive backgrounds, involving arguable bad genetics, who became honorable people in adult life. I appreciate your assessment. It is always educational and makes me better informed.
Kuklinski's father was Polish and his mother was Irish, both immigrants. I read the book The Iceman: Confessions of a mafia contract killer in 2011 and I was totally terrified and horrified, I couldn't put the book down. Certainly a very compelling read.
I'm Polish and i can tell you that when i hear Him describing Abusing Father and Cold Mother it is almost a culture thing in Poland and Eastern Europe... Father have the switch on and off where they bursting with anger any time and then they are trying to ''make it up'' for you which just makes you paranoid and confused all the time...
@@spanian7521 I'm quite familiar with Polish people, I've friend's both female and male and they're strong, by strong I mean thick skin and very hardworking., some do have incredible high alcohol tolerance levels. My sister in law is Russian, I'm aware of their culture, very strong and resilient people.
@@spanian7521 I'm sorry to hear that, it's definitely not easy growing up with abuse, confusion and dysfunction, I was raised in that kind of environment and it definitely marks a child growing up.
@@spanian7521It explains a lot of our society. Glad to know I'm not alone in my experience but..sad to know so many others suffered, likely even more than I did.
Excellent video Dr Grande!!! The vulnerable narcissism totally makes sense to what I see & feel of him during what I think is his 'infamous' interview !! Now that you mention it, need for admiration is written all over his face imo. As i previously said, ou're a brilliant teacher!! 😀
What a coincidence. I defrost my freezer today. Fortunately I didn't find any strange things in it 😨 I really liked the way you analyzed his personality. Very well done Dr. Grande 😃 🇳🇱
Watched the interview twice. He is one scary man. He probably exaggerated quite a bit. I also watched a body language analysis video and the woman that made that believes he is being truthful. Great content Dr Grande 👌
DaToNyOyO You would be a serial killers dream. There are many more killers out there than you’d imagine. Look at all the missing people. Really think they are on a beach somewhere, leaving everything behind, even money?
From what I have read I would think body language would emulate more what you believe, not what might be true. If he truly believes that he did something or just has no conscious objection against being able to lie, then he is not going to show body language signs that someone that consciously knows they are. People pass lie detectors too, so.
I watched this years ago and still remember almost everything. Of course it's shocking how matter of fact he is about it all, including how he realizes he isn't like other ppl. But due to this, there can be insight.
You are quite enjoyable to listen to. I appreciate this video and the time you spent on it. It is easy to understand, and I look forward to your next video.
I agree with the points in this video. If I may offer further support, Kuklinski mentioned he used to project himself a: "certain way where people could think they get by", showing an awareness of his gentle personna, he identified this as a competitive advantage in dominating others. This is where alot of the "He never saw it coming" type quotes come from, I believe.... Alot of covert/vulnerable narcs are like this...
Richard Leonard Kuklinski also known as “The Iceman” plus he was called other names like “Big Rich” & “Big Richie” grew up in a very abusive depressing strict family his father Stanley Kuklinski who was a violent alcoholic who would frequently beat his wife Anna McNally plus Richard plus his 3 siblings while he was drunk or not drunk which he later in his life abandoned his family. As for his mother Anna she would also be abusive and strict because she was a radical catholic woman which makes her a religious zealot which she frequently would beat her children as a single mother with a broom handle plus other household objects because she had a very strange obsession of discipline. She also shockingly used a kitchen knife to attempt to kill one of her family members what a lunatic. It turns out that their son Florian the older brother of Richard was beaten so badly that he died when he was a child & his parents hid the death of Florian by lying to the police by saying he died falling off the stairs. Anna and Stanley both obviously failed as parents because they are both barbaric & violent absolutely disgusting. Richard would talk about how he was bullied for his small size by his neighbours and he would take his anger by mutilating cats & dogs to make him feel more powerful. Richard’s brother Joseph was convicted of raping & murdering a 12 year old girl by throwing her off a five-story building along with her pet dog which miraculously the dog survived when it howled to scream for help what a sick monster he is shame on him. Later on Joseph was imprison for the rest of his life from 1971 until his death in 2003. I have so much empathy for Richard when he was a child plus his siblings, but I obviously have no empathy for him when he his an adult plus his brother Joseph. He got married twice & he divorced from his first wife Linda which he had 2 sons with her and he married his second wife Barbara Pedrici & together they had 3 children two daughters & one son. Richard failed as a law-abiding citizen, a husband and a father by committing non-violent & violent crimes like assault, burglary, drug possession, murder, robbery & weapon possession shame on him. Richard later died in 2006 from cardiac arrest and he had been suffering with heart disease and phlebitis.
I just watched a documentary about this guy. I didn't know I was six years old in Dumont, NJ the year he was arrested in that same town. He went to the same duck pond as I did. He lived there for quite a while with his family in this seemingly idealic square mile town. His daughter spoke a little bit about what it was like there. She thought surely someone would do something the time Kublinski dragged his wife back into the house by her hair. They even went to the police for help... crickets. No one ever did anything and that's how it was. In the fifteen years I lived there, never in any other place have I witnessed such a concentrated cesspool of child abuse, spousal abuse, suicide, alcoholism, mafia people, biker gangs, police corruption, etc. The neighboring towns would remark that a glass dome should be put over Dumont. When the train came through they'd lay on the horn the whole way through. I wonder if it's possible to do a psychological analysis of a place. Sorry for the novel. If I ever visit back east, I'll drive around that damn place.
Feel bad for how he was raised. No kid deserves that kind of treatment. If even half of what Kuklinski said about his childhood is true, it's pretty easy to make a connection between what put him on the path to destruction. The interesting thing is how he genuinely seemed to love his own family, especially his kids. What made him so dangerous was that he had zero fear.
I did see that interview with kuklinski. I was particularly curious about this one because I too live in New Jersey and my parents also immigrated from Poland🇵🇱 . Thanks Dr. Grande!!! I so enjoy your videos.💛💙💚 Im a huge fan😘😘😘
This diagnosis is an eye opener for me. I’ve seen the interviews several times and the guy did look very sincere in what he told. I would never have suspected him of lying. That is what truly makes a psychopath. They can make you believe anything. The way he behaves is also cold, like what one would expect from a hitman. Maybe he could have had a great career as an actor, who knows.
Fascinating, Dr. Grande. I much prefer this video to some of your others where you focus more on how prosecutors or law enforcement are bumbling or prone to deceitfulness.
I love how he claims to have killed around 200 people but they only got him for 6 😂 yea you just happened to commit 194 murders and every single one went unsolved.
Lol. He definitely didn't do 200 but he did way more then just 4. You think every murder gets solved buddy? There's probably hundreds of thousands of murder cases and people that disappear that never get solved.
I watched the HBO specials. They were very interesting indeed and I picked up on a few things: I think that he actually can't remember how many people he's killed. He seemed to think that contract killing was rather a bore and an absolute chore when a time schedule was involved because he couldn't enjoy the process of the hunt. He was showing evidence of stress (touching his face) when the psychiatrist was questioning how many people he's killed. He felt forced into a corner where he had to protect his "tough image" and felt compelled to state he's murdered over 200 people to preserve his ego. He appeared to be a serial killer that targets men because of the way his Father abused him. I noticed that he states that the psychiatrist made him angry but he isn't as edgy when the interviewer is female. I'd say that the anger is masking fear for sure. I find some of his stories more believable then other people because of my life experience. That story where he killed a random person with a crossbow just to see what the weapon could do is totally plausible to me. I know people who are on the sliding scale to this dark place.....
i dont think ppl get he did work for Roy Demayo and during a time before forensics , no telling how many he killed. i agree with what you said, and few ppl will understand this. so they think he made stories up.
@@tankthearc9875 it's been proven he never worked for Roy DeMeo. He confuses times and events and Roy would not have let some blabbermouth like that in his crew.
I read up on The Iceman a long time ago, prior to the HBO interview. This man was void of empathy completely. I never classified as a true “serial killer” as his crimes weren’t for sexual gratification. In my opinion he’d be a multiple murderer. I’m sure he inflated the numbers of murders, and giving interviews when u r incarcerated for life is going to give him notoriety and let’s face it; something fun to do! He WAS the perfect enforcer for organized crime (which was RAMPANT during those years). It was a job. The key thing is his enjoyment in the planning. How he found new ways to do it! You can see the pride when he talks about that! And unless he dropped names of those he worked for there wouldn’t be a way of verifying that! In a weird way he WAS a stand up guy as he didn’t roll...he had one thing, his reputation of not being a coward like those he killed! They were not worthy of being in their world! I think pinpoint focus in his diagnosis is in this...I say Sociopath for sure. I don’t think he was born with his patterns. I think he learned to survive and developed them! I can tell u one thing for sure I would’ve steered clear of this guy in a bar!
Not all Serial killers do it for sexual gratification. And like the guy in the video said, there is no evidence he was ever a mob enforcer. He likely knew some mobsters, but his alleged connections have mostly been proven to be bullshit. When alot of Roy Demeo's crew were arrested, some of them talked to the police. And NONE of them mentioned kuklinski. Kuklinski said that he was part of Roy's crew and did hits for him. I think there might be some evidence that he knew Roy, but there is no evidence that he was connected to him.
The term serial killer was originally coined to identify sadistic sexually motivated killers, so as this term has been used for other motivated murderers as of late, I asked the Dr to do a video defining The labels and their definitions, maybe it’s changed over the years. Otherwise killers like the Una Bomber would be called a “Serial Killer” when what he is a Mass Murderer; one who kills multiple people at once. I believe the term Serial Killer was coined at the time of Bundy; but I could be wrong on that! It would make sense as the 70s were Serial Killer heydays! So many during that decade I look back on it and am shocked! As for Kuklinski, HE never rolled on who he worked for, he threw lots of names out, he liked toying with police! However; I just saw an interview with his daughters, which I’ve never seen anything that a direct family member participated in! As he’s dead and time has gone by they probably feel safe to do so! They confirm he did work for what they now believe was organized crime, as a gun for hire. He definitely wasn’t made so to speak, but he was “connected” and I’m sure sold his skills to those who paid his fee. Besides, it’s no accident the victims that he chose! The daughters were on an episode of I Lived With a Killer. It’s a relatively new series and I’ve heard info about many killers that I’ve never heard before. If you haven’t seen this series you may find it interesting! Interesting how as years pass information trickles out....
Great video! Thank you for expanding and going more in depth with your diagnosis than Dr. Dietz was able to on the HBO documentary. Also, pointing out the contentions with the PPD diagnosis made sense.
I always enjoy these discussions from you. Might I suggest also looking at some cases from other countries, and notable historical cases as well? I, for one, would be facinated to hear your views on these from available accounts if you're interested in the cases. William Macdonald (the Snowtown murders), and Katherine Mary Knight spring to mind as interesting cases. Especially gruesome (not that I'm ranking) was Joachim Kroll in post WW2 Germany, who's motives seem beyond comprehension.
I haven't seen this video yet and I can't wait to see what Dr. Grande said. He gets so much background information. His comments and observations are always interesting.
One thing about it, he seemed to get off to a bad start from childhood. If children or anyone is reached with love and someone to help them through an early crisis, much harm could be prevented. Their crisis could be turned into a learning experience. Finding a path and moral way of making decisions could be established.
He took credit of every major underworld killing after he got caught. In his eyes it boosted his legacy. But it did the exact opposite: it diminished his "legacy" as contract killer, many people now say he was guy who killed few people and didnt have any contacts to mafia. That is wrong. He was an associate of Demeo crew and sometimes acted as "fresh faced" assasin for Roy, he did kill Eddie Linos brother for a debt he didnt pay at parking lot of his luncheonette in NYC one christmas eve, he described that murder to a t, things that only a killer could know. Eddie Lino at that time was "only" Gambino associate but he was an earner and killer, few years later he got his button, 12y later he was allready a capo who had one of the strongest crews in Gambino family. He was personal friends with Tommy "Tommy-Karate" Pitera, a straight up serial killer who happened to be a capo in Bonanno family. Together they went and did contracts, more as a hobby than for money or anything else since both were capos and very strong earners so there was no neec to risk themselves like that. The reason was they loved killing. Pitera killed approximetely atleast 20 people himself, maybe even 40. He took souvenirs from each of his victims, which went beyond mafia culture for its recklessnes and was classic serial killer behaviour. These souvenirs he simply stashed in his nightstand drawer. When he killed you, he neatly folded his clothes and dragged your body to tub, turned on the water and then he took butchers knife from his hit kit and severed your arms, legs and head off your torso. Then he put you in several different cheap suitcases, drove to wildlife refuge are and buried you in very deep hole, he dig until he hit the water. In that wildlife sanctuary the bodies would decompose safely in peace, no buildings or any constructions would ever be build or let alone planned there, the deep grave would act as a barrier IF some of his boys would rat to police and they would search the place with dogs, they would have hard time to catch the scent of the body since he buried them so deep. And Kuklinski killed a brother of a guy who was friends with Pitera, everyone knew right away it was Richie. He actually first went to luncheonette to look him, the staff told Richie that the guy he looked had just left and if he could maybe still find him on the parking lot. And he did. He asked for the money, sumthing like 1800 dollars or sumthin, got stories but no money and then he shot the guy inside of his car and searched the body, he found a huge wad of cash, several grand. He took his 1800 dollars and tossed the rest on the corpse and left. Next day it was on papers and the word was out that Richie had been there asking him. His brother never retaliated, never went put any sitdown to talk about killing Richie. Why? Because Richie was feared throughout the underworld. He wasnt even paisano, italian, and he got away with that. It goes to show that despite his infinite bullshit and claiming every body that had even low significance as his handywork, he still at his time was one sick puppy and feared killer.
I saw the video on him a couple of times. I found your analysis spot on. My mind was going through that interview in flashes as you pointed aspects out, like his lying, need to be feared/respected, and especially when you surmised he only killed his partner in crime for money and really wasn't that adept at killing. I recall him saying he ran over a guy on a bike for the hell of it, but that doesn't match his pattern. Enjoyed your analysis of him. Thank you for doing this!
Dr. Grande~~~~~~ It was said in one of the presentations that while in prison Richard Kuklinski was medicated with Ativan and Paxil which would have affected his demeanor on film.
You loved this man's comment DR GRANDE because he called you brilliant? You truly know nothing about this predator or his victims and I'm getting extremely pissed off and offended by the disgusting ignorant disrespectful comments your viewers have posted. I stayed already I want a response from you doctor or I expect to be blocked. If you haven't caught on this predator murdered my father in February 1986. Just shy the athorities doing their damn job and maybe my father would be alive today. You want a real discussion about this or do you just want to hear yourself talk nonsense and get praised for it. I used to love your channel. I'm almost disgusted. I know more than you do on this topic doctor that is s guarantee. The DSM-5 isn't going to help you on this one. Let's discuss. Shall we?
As I sit here I think I can explain why he was the way he was. It's a lot simpler than the doctors diagnosis. I've seen his interviews on TH-cam and recall him saying that he himself could not understand why killing another human being had no impact on him. Why shooting someone in the head was as uneventful to him as opening and closing a door. Like you said, he was horribly abused by both his parents. In time he learned he could turn off the pain of that abuse by emotionally turning himself off. And so that's what he did all the way into adulthood, he turned himself off. Just like the little boy who protected himself from his mother and father whooping on him by emotionally turning himself off, when as an adult hurting someone else he turned himself off.
I think this a better supplement to a psych student than entertainment for an armchair psychologist such as myself, but it works just as well as the latter. Very insightful.
This was fascinating and provided a totally different perspective than I held based on what I’ve seen and read on Kuklinski previously. Actually the vulnerable narcissism makes a lot more sense than Dietz’s original diagnosis. I wonder if you could comment on whether vulnerable narcissism and NPD in general would have been available as a potential diagnosis to Dietz at the time that interview was done? Or has thinking evolved in these areas since? Could you do a video talking about why people feel a sense of ‘liking’ an individual like Kuklinski or Bundy? I find myself drawn to him and almost find him likeable even though he is also scary at the same time. What’s that about? Does it mean susceptibility to manipulation?
I've seen a few of his interviews. What I find most striking is that K seems like a human being - no uncanny valley there. His lack of remorse is disturbing, but his compulsive lying doesn't disturb me - I've met a few compulsive liars that I've actually liked if for no other reason than they often tell a good story. I think he was a criminal because he didn't have the patience for a square job - he was too impulsive and short-tempered. I think that as a criminal he just got into situations where killing was just a way of staying out of prison, until those killings put him in prison.
Nothing about him made him seem like a liar. He was dead inside, in the eyes, in heart soul and speech. I never seen one so serious and fearless. But ordinary sheltered souls can not dare to imagine the true depth of darkness.
@@sirgalahad1376 I murdered Jimmy Hoffa. Prove I didn't if you disagree. I also killed JFK. Prove it if you disagree. A) the mob had plenty of killers, the cops know who probably did it, B) and they wouldn't hire an outsider to go to Detroit and bring a corpse all the way back to NJ to dispose of it, esp when they had incinerators in Detroit.
I'm Polish and i can tell you that when i hear Him describing Abusing Father and Cold Mother it is almost a culture thing in Poland and Eastern Europe... Father have the switch on and off where they bursting with anger any time and then they are trying to ''make it up'' for you which just makes you paranoid, angry, resentful, hateful, and confused all the time... While mothers are too afraid to act in best case scenario and helping them abuse you in worst. I could see how much my father was actually enjoying being angry and almost trying to kill me because he was probably thinking to himself ''I could kill you right now, boy'' and he was pride of himself when he didn't killed me like it was something to be proud of and talking to me about it later how good he is in comparison to his father...It is fucking crazy...
Richard Leonard Kuklinski also known as “The Iceman” plus he was called other names like “Big Rich” & “Big Richie” grew up in a very abusive depressing strict family his father Stanley Kuklinski who was a violent alcoholic who would frequently beat his wife Anna McNally plus Richard plus his 3 siblings while he was drunk or not drunk which he later in his life abandoned his family. As for his mother Anna she would also be abusive and strict because she was a radical catholic woman which makes her a religious zealot which she frequently would beat her children as a single mother with a broom handle plus other household objects because she had a very strange obsession of discipline. She also shockingly used a kitchen knife to attempt to kill one of her family members what a lunatic. It turns out that their son Florian the older brother of Richard was beaten so badly that he died when he was a child & his parents hid the death of Florian by lying to the police by saying he died falling off the stairs. Anna and Stanley both obviously failed as parents because they are both barbaric & violent absolutely disgusting. Richard would talk about how he was bullied for his small size by his neighbours and he would take his anger by mutilating cats & dogs to make him feel more powerful. Richard’s brother Joseph was convicted of raping & murdering a 12 year old girl by throwing her off a five-story building along with her pet dog which miraculously the dog survived when it howled to scream for help what a sick monster he is shame on him. Later on Joseph was imprison for the rest of his life from 1971 until his death in 2003. I have so much empathy for Richard when he was a child plus his siblings, but I obviously have no empathy for him when he his an adult plus his brother Joseph. He got married twice & he divorced from his first wife Linda which he had 2 sons with her and he married his second wife Barbara Pedrici & together they had 3 children two daughters & one son. Richard failed as a law-abiding citizen, a husband and a father by committing non-violent & violent crimes like assault, burglary, drug possession, murder, robbery & weapon possession shame on him. Richard later died in 2006 from cardiac arrest and he had been suffering with heart disease and phlebitis.
I would love it if you could do one on ex-Police with PTSD. I’m an ex-policewoman and have found it difficult to find a clinician that can provide clear and concise information - let alone help me. They just make me WORSE! 😔 I would love to understand this area more and think it would help. Thanks Dr Grande, I appreciate you. MB
Do things that are relaxing. Taco night with friends, get a golden retriever, go fishing, find a hobby you like. If none of those work they say molly/ecstacy in low controlled doses help. They do studies somewhere in the states maybe harvard or yale
Hi Melissa, I too just want to wish you the best. I can relate a bit. I tried a few marriage counselors and they ranged from ineffectual to making things worse. Good docs are hard to find. Best of luck and be easy on yourself.
Thank god this assessment talks about the lying and inconsistencies in what “the iceman” said. I’m so sick of clips, movies etc listing of all of his lies as fact and saying he’s personally killed between 100-300 people. If you watch every interview, he contradict himself numerous times about using chainsaws, specific hits he was in on, as well as the actual number of killings (just to name a few). A fact: Out of all the mob guys that have turned informant, not one has ever admitted any mob association to him, implicated him in any crimes, or accepted any of his lies; they all say he’s bullshit. He was craving attention, and knew the mob would get him that attention and he was write, he got interviews, books, movies, notoriety, and most importantly (most likely, I haven’t cared to check into this) money.
It's so important for him to be seen as 'macho'. I think he'll say ANYthing in order for the machismo effect. (Notice how curt he is towards the female interviewer)
Yet if you watched his full interview he's anything but macho..He breaks down crying over his family. He even says "You see the Iceman cry, not very macho" So if he was trying to be seen as macho he did a terrible job
Super interesting. Great analysis. I watched the movie which made him out to work for the mob and I watched the interviews with him in prison. I think you really brought to light how he lied so much, exaggerated the 'mob' because it made him seem more important, and how he was dangerous to people who knew him. Very complex personality. No wonder we normal folk are so fascinated by the minds of people who can do things we cannot even image. Thanks!
I've watched all the Richard K. documentaries and they are very interesting. I also have the Ice Man movie DVD. It seems mostly his parents fault for raising him with such hatred and no love.
Interesting point that criminals are paranoid but for good reason. Could it also be his behavior of making himself seem a really scary guy were beneficial to being an inmate?
15:25 Dr. Grande mentions that expressions of personality disorders typically don't change based on context/situation. But we've seen videos where he explains that grandiose narcissists are usually respectful to workplace superiors, but treat subordinates horribly
A psychopath can easily hide paranoia, and come off any way he wants. He seemed like a psychopath to me. He produces a phony tear at one point. Doesnt feel a thing. He treated it as his job, and wanted to be good at it. The freezing was pretty ingenious. Psychopath.
I enjoy your comments very much. Back in the day, I earned a B.S. in psychology and fancied myself becoming employed in much the same avocation as you, but I furthered my education in Graduate School in education. Thereby, I taught young men on the precipice. Interesting and continuing experience.
Dr Grande: I was eager to hear your opinions after seeing the documentary. I agree that he was an unusual serial killer. He reminded me of someone and he is not someone I would want to spend time with.
Very interesting. Personally, from my layman's perspective, I have experienced someone with that combination of cluster 'A' and 'B' traits. I don't doubt though that a professional could filter down the realities into a more refined potential diagnosis.
@@brusselsprout5851 Personally, I find that the analyses of these extreme examples illuminates the many people whom we live with/interact with on a day to day basis that destroy lives and potential without actually killing their targets. That may be the region where we learn the true cost to individuals and society? That's just my unscientific thoughts to add to the mix.
"No matter the disorder, there still is an individual". Awesome Vid.
Totally. Even growing up around murder and mayhem doesn't mean you have to agree with and like it.
You are lacking A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND AS MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN YOUR FIELD, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU VERY MUCH ENJOY THE SOUND OF YOUR OWN VOICE! Your analysis is 💯% 💩
@@ADOGGBOY With all the CAPS you sound very antisocial... or sociopathic.
@@jonc6157 I am.
Wonder if he would carry that same sentiment if his partner or family member was one of the iceman’s victims
man, trustworthy serial killers are rare these days
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Yeah, what happened to values.. morals? Sad times when you can’t count on serial killers
The craziest story I’ve ever heard about the ice man is from an EMT. He and his partner were responding to a call one night and heard another call go out for a nearby prison. Both teams brought their patients to the same hospital as they finished up this young rookie EMT looked up to see the ice man handcuffed to a stretcher where he was so big his legs hung off the end. The EMT’s mouth dropped open as he met his eyes. The Ice Man looked at him and growled “What are you looking at?” This EMT without missing a beat said “It’s not everyday I meet someone who has 3 HBO specials about them.” The ice man laughed. He made him laugh!😂
What a load of bullshit lol
richard was HUGE....i'll never forget the gay club story 😅
@@kimmyfreak200 ha ha one of my favourites
Richard was known for having an interesting "sense of humor"
You just waned to be on the agreeable funny side!
Lol love it!!
I was a clinician in corrections. Wanting to appear as a threat can be a survival tactic there, not a reflection of narcissism. He had nothing to lose by inflating his criminal accomplishments, and may have gained some protection from other powerful inmates. Agree with other commenters that the apparent affection for family compared to his emotionless treatment of victims is an intriguing dichotomy, and one that I observed in many inmates.
Remember he is also playing up to the camera, even there.
Psychopaths don't brag about their crimes, narcissists do. Narcissism = insecurities. Where did you go to school?
@@justtoxic3716 not sure who you are replying to. I happen to prob be the only person here, including over Grande, that knows what is true here with Iceman and what isn't.. Psychopaths are often narcissistic. Saying none of them brag about their crimes is pretty ignorant.
@@NoReligion77 all psychopaths are narcissistic, but not all narcissists are psychopathic. Psychopathy is also a trait. You can't technically diagnose anyone with it. NPD in other hand is different.
99% is BS. A contract killer for the Gambino's is ludacris.
I've watched his interviews several times but never with any amount of scepticism. He is quite a believable liar.
I guess we can be willing to believe the extreme.
I always thought he looked like he enjoyed making himself be a bigger serial killer than he was. I think the documentaries about him are very naive in just taking his word on things, for no other reason than it makes him more interesting in media.
I think he mixed truths with lies and some exaggerations
Please doe a video on all ASD autism spectrum disorder ?
F: Agreed. In the interview I saw him do, he seemed to use only one weapon, cyanide. He said that he would either put it in people's food or drink. or put it in his own drink in a bar, pretend to be drunk, and then spill it on his victim. It worked it's way through his clothing and killed him after a while. He also mentioned only one motive, money. He said that he was paid more than half a million dollars per killing. It all seemed pretty plausible to me. But you know, when you are watching an interview with a mass murderer called "The Ice Man," you are primed to believe that kind f thing.
"Richard, I have a feeling if I listen to you long enough, you'll tell me you shot President Lincoln." Kuklinski laughed and said "Yeah. You're probably right."
Where'd you hear that
Really? That's funny.
And Juventin is right according to Wikipedia.
Kuklinski’s biographer Anthony Bruno once said that.
Shows hes a liar. Nobody can kill 200 ppl for 30 years. In his hbo 1991 special he said he did use chainsaws. Than in 2002 interview he said he didnt
Yeah he's full of shit on how many he killed I say 50 at most he told them that so he would be known for killing the most people cause he knew he was never getting out so why not tell them u killed 300 or killed Kennedy or some shit like that
This was SPOT ON. A great analysis; I found myself confused by many of the claims he made, he obviously was a serial killer but many things he said were contradicted under oath by undercover officers who worked in the same circles. I think you really nailed this one. Subscribed!
he was not a serial killer. he didnt just go out killing people at random or by profile. he was a hitman who killed many people
I remember the HBO doc about Kuklinski and other analyses done by criminal profilers. One said that he had a fearlessness that you often see in professions like police, firefighters, race car drivers or people who do extreme sports. Had he been raised in a loving, nurturing home~he may have been a credit to society instead of a degenerate killer.
It occurs to me that most people would not be so quick to support the death penalty if they knew the life experiences which produced that individual.
Maybe he perceived there to be a distinct advantage to being feared in prison, as a deterrent to other inmates.
He was 6'5" and weighed over 300 lbs, not sure he had much to fear...
@@theedmee You’re thinking like sheep.
@@xxevilellisonxx you are probably small
Lol man I’m barely 6ft and 260lbs and get doorman offerings, no way in shit would I put a hand on a 6’5 dude that’s 320lbs, even if I don’t get laid out everything in a 10m radius is destroyed lmao
@@theedmeePrison violence usually is if the sudden pointy type, the size can only moderately protect someone from ambush of this sort.
Your analysis of him, put into words, my thoughts about him and his interviews. He is a great many things, including a good story teller. Stories that he would like to be true, stories that may fool some, but stories that never fooled me.
It was weird that I almost got a trustworthy vibe from him. And he did seem to have genuine love for his family.
He killed his daughter's dog in front of her because she came home late one night. Sounds like parental love to me.
@@465marko yes I think your right better a dead dog than half raped pregnant daughter.
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Yikes! Where did you get that impression from?!! His wife Barbara describes how he used to knock her unconscious at times!!!
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Absolutely terrific analysis, Doctor Todd!
He was loved, he loved and chose the life he wanted. Cold, calculatingly evil. He learned it from his parents.
Why do you say he was loved? Maybe by his wife for a while and his children but he was a psycho pathic killer by then already
It can also be *genetics*
His parents weren’t killers.. He chose to Kill..
@@stevetrivago Wrong
See Cannon. Who was he loved by...Certainly not his parents...Laid the basis right there for his horrifying life.
You do have a knack of making complex psychiatric cases easy to understand. I have worked with many cases of severe abuse (some of whom experienced all types of abuses from their parents/carers throughout their childhood). What I am still intrigued by is what the exact psychodynamics are that create those who do not kill or harm, versus those that do - seeing that many cases were so similar that one would have thought all of them would have become hugely violent. However, I did not do long term follow up with them, so they could have been killing and harming and not told me or been caught yet, or they could have gone on to develop those behaviours. What is clear, is that we have developed societies that appear to not teach and support people about how to become functional parents.
Do you think every person has the exact same biology and personality? Have you heard about genes?
Appreciate you Todd, seriously you are no doubt someone that can get down to the root cause of personalities & inform your subscribers - always so educational! Give us more of the latest nut cases out there - seems like the dysfunction never ends!!! Thanks a bunch!
Amen to that!!! 🙏💯👑
On point: respected comment.
VPD, PPD, and APD. That's more than enough to call this analysis insightful. Thanks again for the amazing content.
Thanks for the great content Mr. Grande. It's great to hear from a professional about this as it provides some ground to rethink our first impressions.
Excellent assessment, Dr. Grande, thank you!
Watching Dr. Park Dietz explain Kuklinski to himself was very memorable. What a meeting of minds that was. "The Iceman" was a very scary individual. It's easy to imagine running afoul of someone like him in a bar, say, where so much violence begins.
Edit: Interesting to learn you think he didn't commit all the murders he claimed to have committed. I guess he always had murder on his mind.
Edit: The likelihood that he exaggerated his "kill count" makes him comparable to Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole and, probably, Bundy. Imagine taking pride in how many people you've killed and in the threat you present to unsuspecting people.
Edit: I can remember being really impressed with the calmness and clarity of the doctor's mind as he explained Kuklinski to himself. And looking back, I think I sensed compassion in his attitude towards the killer. That's remarkable. Again, this must be where compassion and dispassion merge. He's a psychiatrist, so he's an M.D., so he's taken the Hippocratic Oath (and really lived up to it in this instance). Which makes me wonder if psychologists and social workers and counselors swear a similar oath.
Most of his claims can be dismissed. He was only spotted once or twice by surveillance and no known mafia members seem to remember him. Roy DeMeo on the other hand is remembered by everyone. My guess is that he was a peripheral figure. I might have whacked one or two but most of what came out of his mouth was fairytales about who he'd wish he was. 99% fraud.
Dietz interview is so fascinating! Watching Kuklinski’s face, emotions...Feel bad for him regarding his childhood. He was created, but also must be some genetic cause too since his own parents were so cruel. Feel bad he did want a normal loving life as well as shown by ability to have or appear to be a loving family man. Obviously feel worse for majority of his victims though. A being I would never want to even know I exist!
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The man you're watching is a pathological liar. He didn't actually do all those things.
ChefPelle And...My comment still the same. Half the things he has experienced and done are awful.
Bundy wasn't no liar in the end...
I remember when I was younger believing everything he said because I was so scared of him. I'm no doctor, but the points you make are certainly logical and make sense. Although dangerous, I now know that RK was just a mental patient like me. Thanks again!
In what way?
I don’t really understand why he is a mental? Don’t you think 🤔 for a second that perhaps RK was just a mean person, not a mental patient. What if it is like that. He is in jail for a reason, otherwise he would have ended up in an institution. Make yourself a favor not comparing yourself to someone like him.
@@paulafigueroa1573 if i think about it, doesn't everything manifest itself from a mental state? Mine, yours, richards....so be it if we have the same mental state to do what he did, for whatever reasons...$40,000 was probable a very good incentive...
Yessss! I am very excited about this one! Now, off to watching...
This is such a professional explanation and presentation. Communicated in a forceful and rich way. Arguing why vulnerable narcissism would be more likely than PPD was convincing.
As this being a very interesting documentary to watch, that man was outright methodical and frightening,. Yet, he seemed like he could be a very charming and likeable person if one didn't know his dark side.
Is it just me that feels that?
Guess that's the hallmark of psychopathy, eh?
So far as I am concerned it's the scariest thing about psychopathy. If you're out in the Serengeti facing down a lion the lion will not be trying to charm the pants off you. You know what the lion's game is.
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Ms. Sharon I agree Mrs. Sharon. Sociopath train themselves to put up a good front and make things look nice. What they don’t mention is he beat the hell out of his first wife daily. This guy was the lowest of the low
mschickie007 You wouldn’t feel so sorry if it was your Dad, or any man in your life that he murdered to “tryout the cyanide” I feel sorry for that man that the only thing he did to anyone was walk down the street
ctbadcop15 I feel sorry for his victims too , I just meant he was mercilessly beaten by his dad , that’s so sad to hear . Some people should not be parents period.
I'm sorry, but when you were listing all the various methods Kuklinski stated he used to kill his supposed victims all I could think of was Wile E Coyote and his Acme inventions to get rid of Road Runner.😂.
I would really like to hear your opinion about the Uber killer, Jason Dalton. 2016, Kalamazoo, Mi. He seemingly had no prior mental health problems, yet went out on one day and shot and killed several people, all the while picking up Uber rides in between. Your well thought out and thorough discussions on possible mental health causes for the crimes is very interesting and informative.
Indamaya : He said he'd been working for Uber for less than a week and had noticed something unusual about the mobile app.
He said,"The minute that I logged on, I don't know what happened,but it literally took over my mind and body."
*Yosemite Sam intensifies*
Derrick Bird was a taxi driver in England who went of a killing spree in 2010, killing 12 people in Cumbria before turning the gun on himself. Analysis of individual's such as Dalton and Bird would be interesting for sure.
I lived in Portage MI, across the highway to Kalamazoo, when the Jason Dalton incident tool place. Not that it has anything to do with my forthcoming opinion, that just because someone has had no prior evidence witnessed by others or previously diagnosed with mental health issues, by no measure means that it was not either present or in development. It just indicates that it was not noticed by others, or previously diagnosed.
I know u think this dope whochas bo impulse controll will go out and buy a chemist shit and cynide. Lol no just srangle the guy
Thank you for your analysis. I have repeatedly viewed the 3-part HBO program showing the interviews with Richard Kuklinski. It was interesting to watch his body language and manner in which he responded to questions. The part of the interview where he tells Dr. Dietz "You almost made me mad" was interesting and chilling. It was as if a switch went off in his head in response to Dr. Dietz's questioning. Regarding the "nature v. nurture" (genes v. environment) approach in assessing Kuklinski's behavior, clearly he had the bad luck of getting bad genes combined with an abusive upbringing. That said, I know people who came from abusive backgrounds, involving arguable bad genetics, who became honorable people in adult life. I appreciate your assessment. It is always educational and makes me better informed.
Thank you so much! Both my husband and I really appreciate this analysis!
Vulnerable narcissism could be a consequence of abuse by parents - a destruction of self esteem
Kuklinski was totally devoid of all emotion. Taking a person’s life meant nothing to him. A very dangerous individual indeed.
Kuklinski's father was Polish and his mother was Irish, both immigrants. I read the book The Iceman: Confessions of a mafia contract killer in 2011 and I was totally terrified and horrified, I couldn't put the book down. Certainly a very compelling read.
I'm Polish and i can tell you that when i hear Him describing Abusing Father and Cold Mother it is almost a culture thing in Poland and Eastern Europe...
Father have the switch on and off where they bursting with anger any time and then they are trying to ''make it up'' for you which just makes you paranoid and confused all the time...
@@spanian7521 I'm quite familiar with Polish people, I've friend's both female and male and they're strong, by strong I mean thick skin and very hardworking., some do have incredible high alcohol tolerance levels. My sister in law is Russian, I'm aware of their culture, very strong and resilient people.
@@spanian7521 I'm sorry to hear that, it's definitely not easy growing up with abuse, confusion and dysfunction, I was raised in that kind of environment and it definitely marks a child growing up.
@@spanian7521It explains a lot of our society. Glad to know I'm not alone in my experience but..sad to know so many others suffered, likely even more than I did.
Excellent video Dr Grande!!! The vulnerable narcissism totally makes sense to what I see & feel of him during what I think is his 'infamous' interview !! Now that you mention it, need for admiration is written all over his face imo.
As i previously said, ou're a brilliant teacher!! 😀
What a coincidence. I defrost my freezer today. Fortunately I didn't find any strange things in it 😨 I really liked the way you analyzed his personality.
Very well done Dr. Grande 😃 🇳🇱
Pheeeew! I WOULD be pleased about that TOO! Hahaha
I've never defrosted my freezer❄
I found my missing reading glasses when I defrosted mine... At least I hope they were mine?🤪
Watched the interview twice. He is one scary man. He probably exaggerated quite a bit. I also watched a body language analysis video and the woman that made that believes he is being truthful. Great content Dr Grande 👌
DaToNyOyO You would be a serial killers dream. There are many more killers out there than you’d imagine. Look at all the missing people. Really think they are on a beach somewhere, leaving everything behind, even money?
@DaToNyOyO Haha good one
From what I have read I would think body language would emulate more what you believe, not what might be true. If he truly believes that he did something or just has no conscious objection against being able to lie, then he is not going to show body language signs that someone that consciously knows they are. People pass lie detectors too, so.
@DaToNyOyO How does your garden grow? With cockle shells and pretty maids in a row?
Body language analysis is pseudo science, and most ppl who claim to be experts are really just a bunch of phonies!
Thank you so much for this. This murderer is especially scary to me.
Great work doc. I gotta say, I'm super interested in psychology as a field of study but my favorite videos of yours are always these ones lol.
I watched this years ago and still remember almost everything. Of course it's shocking how matter of fact he is about it all, including how he realizes he isn't like other ppl. But due to this, there can be insight.
I find your analyses of this kind so endlessly fascinating. Thanks for the upload, I really appreciate your content a lot!
Dr. Grande warming up: “Kuklinski, Kuklinski, Kuklinski, Kuklinski...”
Exactly what I was thinking.
You are quite enjoyable to listen to.
I appreciate this video and the time you spent on it.
It is easy to understand, and I look forward to your next video.
It’s heart wrenching to find that these serial killers, had such horrible childhoods. Love your children.
I agree with the points in this video. If I may offer further support, Kuklinski mentioned he used to project himself a: "certain way where people could think they get by", showing an awareness of his gentle personna, he identified this as a competitive advantage in dominating others. This is where alot of the "He never saw it coming" type quotes come from, I believe.... Alot of covert/vulnerable narcs are like this...
Some interesting points. Glad more specialists and ex-criminals are working together to present a more clear picture of what happened.
Richard Leonard Kuklinski also known as “The Iceman” plus he was called other names like “Big Rich” & “Big Richie” grew up in a very abusive depressing strict family his father Stanley Kuklinski who was a violent alcoholic who would frequently beat his wife Anna McNally plus Richard plus his 3 siblings while he was drunk or not drunk which he later in his life abandoned his family. As for his mother Anna she would also be abusive and strict because she was a radical catholic woman which makes her a religious zealot which she frequently would beat her children as a single mother with a broom handle plus other household objects because she had a very strange obsession of discipline. She also shockingly used a kitchen knife to attempt to kill one of her family members what a lunatic. It turns out that their son Florian the older brother of Richard was beaten so badly that he died when he was a child & his parents hid the death of Florian by lying to the police by saying he died falling off the stairs. Anna and Stanley both obviously failed as parents because they are both barbaric & violent absolutely disgusting. Richard would talk about how he was bullied for his small size by his neighbours and he would take his anger by mutilating cats & dogs to make him feel more powerful. Richard’s brother Joseph was convicted of raping & murdering a 12 year old girl by throwing her off a five-story building along with her pet dog which miraculously the dog survived when it howled to scream for help what a sick monster he is shame on him. Later on Joseph was imprison for the rest of his life from 1971 until his death in 2003. I have so much empathy for Richard when he was a child plus his siblings, but I obviously have no empathy for him when he his an adult plus his brother Joseph. He got married twice & he divorced from his first wife Linda which he had 2 sons with her and he married his second wife Barbara Pedrici & together they had 3 children two daughters & one son. Richard failed as a law-abiding citizen, a husband and a father by committing non-violent & violent crimes like assault, burglary, drug possession, murder, robbery & weapon possession shame on him. Richard later died in 2006 from cardiac arrest and he had been suffering with heart disease and phlebitis.
I just watched a documentary about this guy. I didn't know I was six years old in Dumont, NJ the year he was arrested in that same town. He went to the same duck pond as I did. He lived there for quite a while with his family in this seemingly idealic square mile town. His daughter spoke a little bit about what it was like there. She thought surely someone would do something the time Kublinski dragged his wife back into the house by her hair. They even went to the police for help... crickets. No one ever did anything and that's how it was. In the fifteen years I lived there, never in any other place have I witnessed such a concentrated cesspool of child abuse, spousal abuse, suicide, alcoholism, mafia people, biker gangs, police corruption, etc. The neighboring towns would remark that a glass dome should be put over Dumont. When the train came through they'd lay on the horn the whole way through. I wonder if it's possible to do a psychological analysis of a place. Sorry for the novel. If I ever visit back east, I'll drive around that damn place.
Feel bad for how he was raised. No kid deserves that kind of treatment. If even half of what Kuklinski said about his childhood is true, it's pretty easy to make a connection between what put him on the path to destruction. The interesting thing is how he genuinely seemed to love his own family, especially his kids. What made him so dangerous was that he had zero fear.
Another awesome video!!! keep them coming Dr Grande!!
Kuklinski's interviews are among the most interesting.
You are a great intellectual within this field and l enjoy your videos. This was a fascinating one.
Couldn't click on fast enough LOL great content this one ,but very sad
I did see that interview with kuklinski. I was particularly curious about this one because I too live in New Jersey and my parents also immigrated from Poland🇵🇱 . Thanks Dr. Grande!!! I so enjoy your videos.💛💙💚 Im a huge fan😘😘😘
This diagnosis is an eye opener for me. I’ve seen the interviews several times and the guy did look very sincere in what he told. I would never have suspected him of lying. That is what truly makes a psychopath. They can make you believe anything. The way he behaves is also cold, like what one would expect from a hitman. Maybe he could have had a great career as an actor, who knows.
Fascinating, Dr. Grande. I much prefer this video to some of your others where you focus more on how prosecutors or law enforcement are bumbling or prone to deceitfulness.
I love how he claims to have killed around 200 people but they only got him for 6 😂 yea you just happened to commit 194 murders and every single one went unsolved.
Lol. He definitely didn't do 200 but he did way more then just 4. You think every murder gets solved buddy? There's probably hundreds of thousands of murder cases and people that disappear that never get solved.
Whatever makes you feel better. He got rich somehow
@Sometimes Right was about to say you just watched Michaels video lol
I believe him. Probably over 100
Much as i hate to admit it. Alot of bodies get dissolved in acid etc... and will never ever be found and solved 😔
This video analysis is brilliant!
I watched the HBO specials. They were very interesting indeed and I picked up on a few things:
I think that he actually can't remember how many people he's killed. He seemed to think that contract killing was rather a bore and an absolute chore when a time schedule was involved because he couldn't enjoy the process of the hunt. He was showing evidence of stress (touching his face) when the psychiatrist was questioning how many people he's killed. He felt forced into a corner where he had to protect his "tough image" and felt compelled to state he's murdered over 200 people to preserve his ego.
He appeared to be a serial killer that targets men because of the way his Father abused him. I noticed that he states that the psychiatrist made him angry but he isn't as edgy when the interviewer is female. I'd say that the anger is masking fear for sure.
I find some of his stories more believable then other people because of my life experience. That story where he killed a random person with a crossbow just to see what the weapon could do is totally plausible to me. I know people who are on the sliding scale to this dark place.....
i dont think ppl get he did work for Roy Demayo and during a time before forensics , no telling how many he killed. i agree with what you said, and few ppl will understand this. so they think he made stories up.
@@tankthearc9875 it's been proven he never worked for Roy DeMeo. He confuses times and events and Roy would not have let some blabbermouth like that in his crew.
I read up on The Iceman a long time ago, prior to the HBO interview. This man was void of empathy completely. I never classified as a true “serial killer” as his crimes weren’t for sexual gratification. In my opinion he’d be a multiple murderer. I’m sure he inflated the numbers of murders, and giving interviews when u r incarcerated for life is going to give him notoriety and let’s face it; something fun to do!
He WAS the perfect enforcer for organized crime (which was RAMPANT during those years). It was a job. The key thing is his enjoyment in the planning. How he found new ways to do it! You can see the pride when he talks about that!
And unless he dropped names of those he worked for there wouldn’t be a way of verifying that!
In a weird way he WAS a stand up guy as he didn’t roll...he had one thing, his reputation of not being a coward like those he killed! They were not worthy of being in their world! I think pinpoint focus in his diagnosis is in this...I say Sociopath for sure. I don’t think he was born with his patterns. I think he learned to survive and developed them!
I can tell u one thing for sure I would’ve steered clear of this guy in a bar!
Not all Serial killers do it for sexual gratification. And like the guy in the video said, there is no evidence he was ever a mob enforcer. He likely knew some mobsters, but his alleged connections have mostly been proven to be bullshit. When alot of Roy Demeo's crew were arrested, some of them talked to the police. And NONE of them mentioned kuklinski. Kuklinski said that he was part of Roy's crew and did hits for him. I think there might be some evidence that he knew Roy, but there is no evidence that he was connected to him.
Hi all, just saw an interview with Kuklinskis
The term serial killer was originally coined to identify sadistic sexually motivated killers, so as this term has been used for other motivated murderers as of late, I asked the Dr to do a video defining
The labels and their definitions, maybe it’s changed over the years.
Otherwise killers like the Una Bomber would be called a “Serial Killer” when what he is a Mass Murderer; one who kills multiple people at once. I believe the term Serial Killer was coined at the time of Bundy; but I could be wrong on that! It would make sense as the 70s were Serial Killer heydays! So many during that decade I look back on it and am shocked!
As for Kuklinski, HE never rolled on who he worked for, he threw lots of names out, he liked toying with police! However; I just saw an interview with his daughters, which I’ve never seen anything that a direct family member participated in! As he’s dead and time has gone by they probably feel safe to do so! They confirm he did work for what they now believe was organized crime, as a gun for hire. He definitely wasn’t made so to speak, but he was “connected” and I’m sure sold his skills to those who paid his fee. Besides, it’s no accident the victims that he chose!
The daughters were on an episode of I Lived With a Killer. It’s a relatively new series and I’ve heard info about many killers that I’ve never heard before. If you haven’t seen this series you may find it interesting!
Interesting how as years pass information trickles out....
Great video! Thank you for expanding and going more in depth with your diagnosis than Dr. Dietz was able to on the HBO documentary. Also, pointing out the contentions with the PPD diagnosis made sense.
Thank you, Dr. Grande for shedding light on these disturbing phenomena and figures!
I enjoy these mental health analysis.
Keep up the good work.
Dr. Deitz is a badass, that interview with Kuklinski was very tense.
HBO played that up. Richard wasn't unstable in prison like that normally.
Great video Dr. Grande!
I enjoy your articulate concise oratorical manor, easily digested, subscribed.
I always enjoy these discussions from you. Might I suggest also looking at some cases from other countries, and notable historical cases as well? I, for one, would be facinated to hear your views on these from available accounts if you're interested in the cases. William Macdonald (the Snowtown murders), and Katherine Mary Knight spring to mind as interesting cases. Especially gruesome (not that I'm ranking) was Joachim Kroll in post WW2 Germany, who's motives seem beyond comprehension.
I haven't seen this video yet and I can't wait to see what Dr. Grande said. He gets so much background information. His comments and observations are always interesting.
One thing about it, he seemed to get off to a bad start from childhood. If children or anyone is reached with love and someone to help them through an early crisis, much harm could be prevented. Their crisis could be turned into a learning experience. Finding a path and moral way of making decisions could be established.
He took credit of every major underworld killing after he got caught. In his eyes it boosted his legacy. But it did the exact opposite: it diminished his "legacy" as contract killer, many people now say he was guy who killed few people and didnt have any contacts to mafia. That is wrong. He was an associate of Demeo crew and sometimes acted as "fresh faced" assasin for Roy, he did kill Eddie Linos brother for a debt he didnt pay at parking lot of his luncheonette in NYC one christmas eve, he described that murder to a t, things that only a killer could know. Eddie Lino at that time was "only" Gambino associate but he was an earner and killer, few years later he got his button, 12y later he was allready a capo who had one of the strongest crews in Gambino family. He was personal friends with Tommy "Tommy-Karate" Pitera, a straight up serial killer who happened to be a capo in Bonanno family. Together they went and did contracts, more as a hobby than for money or anything else since both were capos and very strong earners so there was no neec to risk themselves like that. The reason was they loved killing. Pitera killed approximetely atleast 20 people himself, maybe even 40. He took souvenirs from each of his victims, which went beyond mafia culture for its recklessnes and was classic serial killer behaviour. These souvenirs he simply stashed in his nightstand drawer. When he killed you, he neatly folded his clothes and dragged your body to tub, turned on the water and then he took butchers knife from his hit kit and severed your arms, legs and head off your torso. Then he put you in several different cheap suitcases, drove to wildlife refuge are and buried you in very deep hole, he dig until he hit the water. In that wildlife sanctuary the bodies would decompose safely in peace, no buildings or any constructions would ever be build or let alone planned there, the deep grave would act as a barrier IF some of his boys would rat to police and they would search the place with dogs, they would have hard time to catch the scent of the body since he buried them so deep.
And Kuklinski killed a brother of a guy who was friends with Pitera, everyone knew right away it was Richie. He actually first went to luncheonette to look him, the staff told Richie that the guy he looked had just left and if he could maybe still find him on the parking lot. And he did. He asked for the money, sumthing like 1800 dollars or sumthin, got stories but no money and then he shot the guy inside of his car and searched the body, he found a huge wad of cash, several grand. He took his 1800 dollars and tossed the rest on the corpse and left. Next day it was on papers and the word was out that Richie had been there asking him. His brother never retaliated, never went put any sitdown to talk about killing Richie. Why? Because Richie was feared throughout the underworld. He wasnt even paisano, italian, and he got away with that. It goes to show that despite his infinite bullshit and claiming every body that had even low significance as his handywork, he still at his time was one sick puppy and feared killer.
In the HBO special they made him look like he was a great father figure. They never mentioned a second wife.
I saw the video on him a couple of times. I found your analysis spot on. My mind was going through that interview in flashes as you pointed aspects out, like his lying, need to be feared/respected, and especially when you surmised he only killed his partner in crime for money and really wasn't that adept at killing. I recall him saying he ran over a guy on a bike for the hell of it, but that doesn't match his pattern. Enjoyed your analysis of him. Thank you for doing this!
i never heard the bike thing but a lot of other shit yea
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It was said in one of the presentations that while in prison Richard Kuklinski was medicated with Ativan and Paxil which would have affected his demeanor on film.
Your insight in those people is
just brilliant! Awesome work Dr!
You loved this man's comment DR GRANDE because he called you brilliant? You truly know nothing about this predator or his victims and I'm getting extremely pissed off and offended by the disgusting ignorant disrespectful comments your viewers have posted. I stayed already I want a response from you doctor or I expect to be blocked. If you haven't caught on this predator murdered my father in February 1986. Just shy the athorities doing their damn job and maybe my father would be alive today. You want a real discussion about this or do you just want to hear yourself talk nonsense and get praised for it. I used to love your channel. I'm almost disgusted. I know more than you do on this topic doctor that is s guarantee. The DSM-5 isn't going to help you on this one. Let's discuss. Shall we?
I read his book, saw the interview. This is very good insight.
I watched the documentary in question...so much clearer now. Thank you Doctor.
As I sit here I think I can explain why he was the way he was. It's a lot simpler than the doctors diagnosis. I've seen his interviews on TH-cam and recall him saying that he himself could not understand why killing another human being had no impact on him. Why shooting someone in the head was as uneventful to him as opening and closing a door. Like you said, he was horribly abused by both his parents. In time he learned he could turn off the pain of that abuse by emotionally turning himself off. And so that's what he did all the way into adulthood, he turned himself off. Just like the little boy who protected himself from his mother and father whooping on him by emotionally turning himself off, when as an adult hurting someone else he turned himself off.
It's simple, there's a lot of people in the world like this it's just who is willing to cross the line.
I think this a better supplement to a psych student than entertainment for an armchair psychologist such as myself, but it works just as well as the latter. Very insightful.
This was fascinating and provided a totally different perspective than I held based on what I’ve seen and read on Kuklinski previously. Actually the vulnerable narcissism makes a lot more sense than Dietz’s original diagnosis. I wonder if you could comment on whether vulnerable narcissism and NPD in general would have been available as a potential diagnosis to Dietz at the time that interview was done? Or has thinking evolved in these areas since?
Could you do a video talking about why people feel a sense of ‘liking’ an individual like Kuklinski or Bundy? I find myself drawn to him and almost find him likeable even though he is also scary at the same time. What’s that about? Does it mean susceptibility to manipulation?
99% are all lies.
On point: respected comment,
I've seen a few of his interviews. What I find most striking is that K seems like a human being - no uncanny valley there. His lack of remorse is disturbing, but his compulsive lying doesn't disturb me - I've met a few compulsive liars that I've actually liked if for no other reason than they often tell a good story. I think he was a criminal because he didn't have the patience for a square job - he was too impulsive and short-tempered. I think that as a criminal he just got into situations where killing was just a way of staying out of prison, until those killings put him in prison.
Nothing about him made him seem like a liar. He was dead inside, in the eyes, in heart soul and speech. I never seen one so serious and fearless. But ordinary sheltered souls can not dare to imagine the true depth of darkness.
He said he killed Jimmy Hoffa and Paul Castellano. He’s a liar.
@@user-od2ov1zv3j Prove he didn’t before you call him a liar.
@@sirgalahad1376 I murdered Jimmy Hoffa. Prove I didn't if you disagree. I also killed JFK. Prove it if you disagree. A) the mob had plenty of killers, the cops know who probably did it, B) and they wouldn't hire an outsider to go to Detroit and bring a corpse all the way back to NJ to dispose of it, esp when they had incinerators in Detroit.
I'm Polish and i can tell you that when i hear Him describing Abusing Father and Cold Mother it is almost a culture thing in Poland and Eastern Europe...
Father have the switch on and off where they bursting with anger any time and then they are trying to ''make it up'' for you which just makes you paranoid, angry, resentful, hateful, and confused all the time... While mothers are too afraid to act in best case scenario and helping them abuse you in worst.
I could see how much my father was actually enjoying being angry and almost trying to kill me because he was probably thinking to himself ''I could kill you right now, boy'' and he was pride of himself when he didn't killed me like it was something to be proud of and talking to me about it later how good he is in comparison to his father...It is fucking crazy...
What a trip, I just watched an interview with him about 5 days ago.
Richard Leonard Kuklinski also known as “The Iceman” plus he was called other names like “Big Rich” & “Big Richie” grew up in a very abusive depressing strict family his father Stanley Kuklinski who was a violent alcoholic who would frequently beat his wife Anna McNally plus Richard plus his 3 siblings while he was drunk or not drunk which he later in his life abandoned his family. As for his mother Anna she would also be abusive and strict because she was a radical catholic woman which makes her a religious zealot which she frequently would beat her children as a single mother with a broom handle plus other household objects because she had a very strange obsession of discipline. She also shockingly used a kitchen knife to attempt to kill one of her family members what a lunatic. It turns out that their son Florian the older brother of Richard was beaten so badly that he died when he was a child & his parents hid the death of Florian by lying to the police by saying he died falling off the stairs. Anna and Stanley both obviously failed as parents because they are both barbaric & violent absolutely disgusting. Richard would talk about how he was bullied for his small size by his neighbours and he would take his anger by mutilating cats & dogs to make him feel more powerful. Richard’s brother Joseph was convicted of raping & murdering a 12 year old girl by throwing her off a five-story building along with her pet dog which miraculously the dog survived when it howled to scream for help what a sick monster he is shame on him. Later on Joseph was imprison for the rest of his life from 1971 until his death in 2003. I have so much empathy for Richard when he was a child plus his siblings, but I obviously have no empathy for him when he his an adult plus his brother Joseph. He got married twice & he divorced from his first wife Linda which he had 2 sons with her and he married his second wife Barbara Pedrici & together they had 3 children two daughters & one son. Richard failed as a law-abiding citizen, a husband and a father by committing non-violent & violent crimes like assault, burglary, drug possession, murder, robbery & weapon possession shame on him. Richard later died in 2006 from cardiac arrest and he had been suffering with heart disease and phlebitis.
When raised in a dysfunctional environment growing up, who knows how a mind reacts ? You can develop anger inside. His parents were very abusive.
I would love it if you could do one on ex-Police with PTSD. I’m an ex-policewoman and have found it difficult to find a clinician that can provide clear and concise information - let alone help me. They just make me WORSE! 😔 I would love to understand this area more and think it would help.
Thanks Dr Grande, I appreciate you.
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Do things that are relaxing. Taco night with friends, get a golden retriever, go fishing, find a hobby you like. If none of those work they say molly/ecstacy in low controlled doses help. They do studies somewhere in the states maybe harvard or yale
Has you experience been that a therapist makes u relive your trauma? If so, research EMDR.
Just wanted to say thanks for your service & wish you all the best in getting past the trauma you've suffered.
Hi Melissa, I too just want to wish you the best.
I can relate a bit. I tried a few marriage counselors and they ranged from ineffectual to making things worse.
Good docs are hard to find. Best of luck and be easy on yourself.
Thanks!
Thank god this assessment talks about the lying and inconsistencies in what “the iceman” said. I’m so sick of clips, movies etc listing of all of his lies as fact and saying he’s personally killed between 100-300 people. If you watch every interview, he contradict himself numerous times about using chainsaws, specific hits he was in on, as well as the actual number of killings (just to name a few). A fact: Out of all the mob guys that have turned informant, not one has ever admitted any mob association to him, implicated him in any crimes, or accepted any of his lies; they all say he’s bullshit. He was craving attention, and knew the mob would get him that attention and he was write, he got interviews, books, movies, notoriety, and most importantly (most likely, I haven’t cared to check into this) money.
I asked for this. Thank you so much!
And I almost missed it. Won't happen again. I switched on notifications.
Great work Doc.
Good video! informative Dr. Grande ..... I had never heard of the individual 'Ice Man' agree re: "lack of empathy" "having a quick temper"
Completely agree, a narcissist if ever there was one. Thank you for confirming
It's so important for him to be seen as 'macho'.
I think he'll say ANYthing in order for the machismo effect.
(Notice how curt he is towards the female interviewer)
Yet if you watched his full interview he's anything but macho..He breaks down crying over his family. He even says "You see the Iceman cry, not very macho" So if he was trying to be seen as macho he did a terrible job
@@krowman8458 Marines cry over fallen brothers all the time.
I always find your videos fascinating. I've read a book about him and saw the documentary it's interesting to hear your perspective of it.
Michael Francese says he was very violent to his wife. His children feared him. He was a monster.
Super interesting. Great analysis. I watched the movie which made him out to work for the mob and I watched the interviews with him in prison. I think you really brought to light how he lied so much, exaggerated the 'mob' because it made him seem more important, and how he was dangerous to people who knew him. Very complex personality. No wonder we normal folk are so fascinated by the minds of people who can do things we cannot even image. Thanks!
I love falling asleep to Dr Grande calmly and dryly discuss gruesome serial killer murders. I sleep like a baby.
I've watched all the Richard K. documentaries and they are very interesting. I also have the Ice Man movie DVD. It seems mostly his parents fault for raising him with such hatred and no love.
Blk Mtl Stv There’s a genetic basis as well. His dad was a remorseless, too, if the abuse stories are true.
@jjdomino99 marriage isn’t all about love
@@TwofourA well, not always. But raising children should be about love and care and tenderness....
@@fredajordan5704 someone must have deleted comment can’t even remember
@@TwofourA maybe so I can still see it here.
Kuklinski is super captivating and has a great way of speaking, its like serial killer ASMR.
Interesting point that criminals are paranoid but for good reason. Could it also be his behavior of making himself seem a really scary guy were beneficial to being an inmate?
The dude was 6'6" 320 pounds.
christopher james big man fall hard
Well he was 6' 6" & about 300 lbs, so I'm sure he never had to "act" scary in his life!
15:25 Dr. Grande mentions that expressions of personality disorders typically don't change based on context/situation. But we've seen videos where he explains that grandiose narcissists are usually respectful to workplace superiors, but treat subordinates horribly
A psychopath can easily hide paranoia, and come off any way he wants. He seemed like a psychopath to me. He produces a phony tear at one point. Doesnt feel a thing. He treated it as his job, and wanted to be good at it. The freezing was pretty ingenious. Psychopath.
Superb video; thank you, Dr. Grande! He probably wants everyone in prison to think he's worse than he actually is ( is that possible?).
I enjoy your comments very much. Back in the day, I earned a B.S. in psychology and fancied myself becoming employed in much the same avocation as you, but I furthered my education in Graduate School in education. Thereby, I taught young men on the precipice. Interesting and continuing experience.
In an interview of Kuklinski, he said that he never felt loved.
Dr Grande: I was eager to hear your opinions after seeing the documentary. I agree that he was an unusual serial killer. He reminded me of someone and he is not someone I would want to spend time with.
Very interesting. Personally, from my layman's perspective, I have experienced someone with that combination of cluster 'A' and 'B' traits. I don't doubt though that a professional could filter down the realities into a more refined potential diagnosis.
@@brusselsprout5851 Personally, I find that the analyses of these extreme examples illuminates the many people whom we live with/interact with on a day to day basis that destroy lives and potential without actually killing their targets. That may be the region where we learn the true cost to individuals and society? That's just my unscientific thoughts to add to the mix.
Great analysis Dr. G.