I saw her biography, and you are right. I grew up in Michigan, and she grew up in northern Michigan. Although she was born in Rochester, I think she grew up in the northern area of the lower-penisula state, not sure. One story that I remember is when her mom would get upset with her, her mom (or someone in the family) would push her out of the house during the winter time, and Aileen would have to find a place to sleep out in the cold during the night. I don't excuse her crimes, but she was treated horribly as a child and it is sad.
@David Vazquez No one said it did. But she was made into a killer by the cruel treatment she suffered as a child and there is nothing wrong with feeling sadness about her upbringing.
David Vazquez It doesn’t excuse her crimes but it explains why they happened. To be completely unsympathetic is pretty heartless, in all honesty. You imagine a puppy growing up in a cage. All it ever knows of other people is them poking sticks at it, starving it, leaving it in the cold. That innocent puppy grows up to be a rabid dog, because it is trained by society that everyone else is not to be trusted. It gets a skewed perspective on the world that it must remain on the defence. Aileen is a byproduct of her environment, it was somewhat inevitable that she ended up doing what she did. It’s like it was programmed into her. In all honesty, she’s just a pawn in a game. For you to not see that is more than naive to me.
Thank you for your kindness regarding Aileen Wuornos, doctor. This was a woman who was tossed into the cold at an early age and _never knew love._ Her mother was horrid and should gave been jailed for neglect imo. Her grandparents didn't love her and she often lived out in the Michigan cold winter in a tent. She was abused physically and sexually and never had a shot at a good life. How do we expect people to be any different than she turned out if they're beaten, unloved and tossed away like trash and used as a sex slave? What she did was, of course, wrong and horrible; but I have always felt for her because I can't help but wonder what I'd be like under those same hopeless circumstances. To add insult to her many years of injury, we as a society decided that she wasn't worth helping and so we killed her. She never had a chance. Thank you again, Dr Grande, 🌹👍😢 Saddest serial killer story I ever read about.
it saddens me so much for what this woman went through starting in childhood into her later years. She turned into the monster that she became because of it. No one deserves to go through what she went through, breaks me 😞
One of Canada's most evil serial killer was raped brutally multiple times. He was also raped in his foster home . Most serial killers were victims of child rape. I guess society is equally responsible for creating serial killers
I saw the movie years ago and the producer/director made a statement at the end which always stuck with me and caused me to correct a wrongly held opinion. I had ignorantly accepted the notion that going through ordeals and coming out the other end indicated you were stronger, better able to cope. But the director stated this was false, abuse and trauma does not make for stronger, more resilient personalities, it just produces broken people. I was quite young when I heard this and it has proven true in my opinion. I have a lot of empathy and sympathy for Aileen's story, a very sad, neglected life, no wonder she welcomed death.
In addition, strong ppl are BORN, NOT created by hardship. The strong survive & adapt new strategies for living. Weak ppl are damaged & do not heal. Weak ppl do not have the strength or grit or ability to prevail. The saying "steel that's been thru fire is stronger" gets it wrong... Steel is already strong. Fire may harden it but compare to aluminum foil in fire... Still a metal but NOT strong. Simply crisps up & burns in fire.
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
I'd say there are a lot of negative experiences we can live through and come out stronger, but I think there are very few people who would claim that "abuse" and "trauma" in particular would fall into that category. It's more that many people justify things that should reasonably be described by these words because they don't see them as such, and downplay them in their mind. Bullying is probably one such topic where many people think that you can grow from it because they don't really understand what it does to the individual.
I always felt the first murder was self-defense, he had a history of violence towards women, and she figured out it was easier to kill a man for all of his money rather than have sex for a small amount. I do not think she was a typical serial killer where she had the desire to kill, I think her motive was always money. But it is nice to hear from a professional like Dr. Grande.
I actually feel sympathy to this day for her I know she was insane and probably not likely to be rehabilitated but she really was dealt a shit hand and yes I believe the first victim was questionable if he was truly a victim or if he wasn’t trying to kill her Another thing ppl can’t fathom is that sex workers are bery often raped or otherwise sexually assaulted they r extremely vulnerable fringe members of society and predatory men purposely choose these women to abuse
I concur with your summation. It's very likely that Aileen Wuornos was suffering C-PTSD due to all the years of abuse. I think she likely did shoot the first man in self-defense based upon his history of violence but she was focused upon trying to support her lover at this time so monetary gain became her focus for killing, especially as she had a history of being impulsive and frivolous with money. What's concerning to me is why her history of trauma was suppressed during the trials .
@@chi-chi6354 In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with feeling compassion for a person, without excusing their actions. This woman needed more compassion in her life, its quite possible if she had more caring people in her life, she might have traveled down a different path.
As a survivor of sexual, physical and emotional abuse I really feel for her she got shit on from the time she was born. I don’t excuse murder but damn she had no one she could trust or turn to. Very tragic
@@shanaurban3319 Yeah because she was a serial killer.....but they were good friends. So obviously she did have people she could trust in until she became a monster
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
It breaks my heart. I see energy fields and hers was created under hardship and hate from her immediate family. She was a school yard scrapper so when she fought back and defended herself it made things even worse: I know the area in Michigan where her mom and other Finlanders came over and settled. A harsh and cruel environment. Poor Aileen was a victim and the trauma broke her spirit. She was fighting for her life every single day until the trauma won. She is in a much better place and I cry for her too. RIP
Still in the US. Children are still considered secondary to their parents needs. If the parents are unable to come together in an amicable way via divorce, the childs time will be devied up like a piece of meat till both parents are satisfied.
I think it's ok to have basic human empathy but still condemn the criminal behavior. I feel sorry for the poor abused little girl who never had a chance at a normal life. I feel sorry for her like I would feel sorry for a vicious animal that needs to be put down. Watching her interviews, her mannerisms, her delusions, and her mood swings, you can tell she is clearly unwell. Psychologically, there is more to her than simply being evil and choosing to kill. Regardless, she did kill those men, she was caught, and the death penalty was suitable yet compassionate--she was put out of her misery like a rabid dog.
Aileen Wuornos has always broken my heart. I certainly don't excuse her crimes, she definitely belonged in prison. It's just that from the time she was a young child, she never had even a ghost of a chance at life. 💔😭
She belonged never born. Her mother was the first criminal. She brought her pregnancy to full term and then abandoned her poor little toddler...Aileen.
234gp79h;w gwoRF124 - lots of people do such horrible things that are never caught and they DID grow up with love. You’ve just never seen it nor read about it. I have!
Her story has always saddened me, no one there for her to love and protect her as a child. No wonder she turned out the way she did; like a trapped animal lashing out just trying to survive. If I ever wanted to have some one to RIP it is Aileen. She suffered enough in this life. 😥I don’t condone murder of course and offer sympathy to the families of her victims.
She needed to have unconditional love in a normal upbringing! Wow some human beings are scum. And the people who bullied her 😒 hope you suffer now. American justice system failed her she was correct about that! A system ran by men! x
@@Somethingwentwrong777 Her story is no different that that of a vast number of male serial killers. They all were psychopaths deprived of the all important nurturing children need to develop normally.
RoxiRoxi Me it really is and I think there’s a systematic problem in that the grandfather who abused her, should have been arrested before Aileen could be twisted up to do what she did
she had a chance NOT A GREAT CHANCE but alot of people who had a shit load of bad circumstances duped on theM have led good lives and been good people IN FACT I WOULD SAY MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD A LOAD OF SHIT DUMPED ON THEM. HAVE TRANSCENDED THE TRAGEDY OF THEIR LIVES alot of people on the lowest fringe of the world are true heros they will never be recognised as such, but most of them are heroic
I have CPTSD due to sever childhood neglect and abuse. I remember, when I was a teenager, there were people who saw something was very wrong and wanted to help me, but I had such poor self esteem that I was not help-able back then. I would drive them away or run away from the very people who treated me with kindness because it was so unfamiliar. Also there was a terrible suspicion that they had an ulterior motive. Seriously, once you are abused as a child, the anger and low self-esteem makes it very hard for a caring person to intervene. I am now 45 and after 5 years of therapy I feel I can be relatively at peace with myself. It was a terrible journey though - I tell people that living with CPTSD felt like crawling through the deepest depths of hell, while being skinned alive. I can totally understand the destruction of a child's soul by child abuse and the trail of destruction such people leave behind them. I am grateful for the therapist like Dr Grande, who seem to have discovered effective treatments for CPTSD. For me, EMDR combined with CBT really started to have an effect quite quickly.
@@nicoles7800 you are fortunate to be in a country that takes mental health seriously, not like that in Canada, all though I have noticed if you are female, young and pretty the male psychiatrists take a much grater interest in them, Strange how that works out
@Adam Efimoff you are indeed fortunate to have caring parents, you probably wouldn't have turned out like Eileen but it's admirable that you have empathy for her.
Janaka.... I am so sorry this life has bin so terrible to you....you did not deserve this....i am so sorry for your suffering.....i am happy that your dr was able to help you....my heart goes out to you i send you my heart felt love n compaction....may your life be blessed.....
Eileen's case has always pulled at my heart strings. I know it's cliche to say but she really never had any chance. Nearly EVERY person in her life during her formative years treated her like she brought herself into existence just to inconvenience them. Poor girl. Smh.
I love how compassionately you look at cases. I’ve never met a mental health professional who looked at people through such a compassionate, understanding lens. That’s exactly what we all need.
That's frightening that you've never experienced either high levels of compassion or high levels of understanding from other mental health professionals. What treatment community is that?
@@SoulDelSol It’s the US mental health system. I’ve been a patient since I was 13. It’s horrible & there’s no compassion whatsoever. I even showed up for an appointment with a psychiatrist one time & she had quit that practice without telling her patients; empty building & everything. It’s ridiculous.
many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.
This has to be one of the saddest stories of a girl's existence. There wasn't one individual in her life who made any effort to protect her from such brutality beginning as a small child. It was if the universe pointed its finger at her...not in ANY positive ways...even until the day she died. 😢 I am a survivor of abuse and at 63…I STILL have flashbacks 😢
It's like all hell n evil was unleashed on her and she humanly combusted n unleashed all hell n evil onto others ..like the people that humanly combust n catch on fire ......it's like it took over her n she was overflowing n it had no where to go but OUT ...she just exploded like a nuclear bomb ! Her victims were consumed by the FALLOUT ...some at ground ZERO ..some farther away from the blast ...some disintegrated ..some left to suffer in the waste of it all .
I was raised in an environment of trauma. It’s taking me a lifetime to deal with my aftermath. It is never truly cured. We just learn how to live with the side effects and scars. I feel for this woman. So sad and cruel for everyone involved.
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
@@cjkitty2360 no one excused anything, she just said she “feels for this woman”. We can feel empathy for someone without excusing or denying responsibility for said actions.
What Heartbreaking and tragic story. She was treated like trash.. pretty much her whole life. How do you think anybody would turn out? She had great reasons to hate men. Not saying that excuses the killings.. her support system had the strength of a wet paper towel. In the end, I think she just wanted to exit this world. Most would view her as a monster, but she didn't choose that.. she was made into one.
She had reasons to hate men? No, she had reasons to hate specific people. Hating men is an illogical extrapolation that you shouldn’t justify. Nobody chooses what they are. If she is excused, so are her rapists. If they are guilty and deserving of punishment, so is she.
@@seanmatthewking no, because killing your rapist and raping someone or not the same thing. The rapist is targeting the innocent. And you know damn well she did not mean literally all men. And even if that happened what she meant, it’s the fault of those men who keep insisting to women that that’s just male nature, every man is like that, blah blah blah. Then you get mad at women when we don’t know that that isn’t true
Aileen had one of the most horrific Childhoods and Adolescents I have heard of. It dosent surprise me at all she became what she became. Really, her whole life is just Tragic. For Myself, it's hard to talk about her without getting emotional... You did an Excellent Job of breaking it down scientifically. As Always, Job Well Done, Dr. Grande.
"Whatever is done to the child, they will take out on sociery". I heard this as a kid, and wondered what I'd end up doing, as my 'childhood ' was a living nightmare. I somehow still kept my empathy, and always took out my negative feelings on myself, as I just couldn't imagine hurting someone se, as I knew how much it hurt when it happened to me. I'm 45 now, and am still basically in the gutter, living in hostels which are run on fear, intimidation and abuse. But I still won't give up, i will not break. I don't know any other way to live. Ptsd, bpd, night terrors, and mental illness are truly horrible.
I’m 58 years old and still struggle due to the trauma I endured when I was a child. Mother was a narcissist and my father was a violent alcoholic who beat her regularly. I’ve had no contact with my family for 25 years but I’m still awfully messed up. I haven’t been in a relationship for 16 years because I can’t deal with them. 6 weeks ago I had a major mental breakdown and had to double my meds and go back to therapy yet again. I have had to accept that I will never be ok and that breaks my heart 💔
@@babayaga489 I'm the same way...i avoid relationships but there are still activity feriends adventures & other things...make the most out of life, go to Nami, Meetups, and don't isolate. Start hanging out in supermarkets sit down...and that will improve mental health...we are social creatures...hinduism heleps..attachmenet is suffering...never give up my dear on happiness..self love I finally understand comes from doing your best...tony robbins...inspirational literature
I notice nobody ever says that about Manson, who was abused just as much, if not worse, having been pimped by his mom. It seems like a double standard and that murder to her victims gets downplayed.
Thank you for being both objective and empathetic regarding Aileen. C-PTSD, NPD and Psychopathy (Factors 1 & 2) would be my guess regarding her diagnosis. One wonders how different her life might have been if someone had stepped in when she was a teenager and she had had a support network. I'm also left wondering why the details about her traumatic upbringing were suppressed by the courts. It's a sad case for her victims and for Aileen.
I strongly agree about Borderline as she had a lot of abandonment where she was never shown unconditional love. It was conditional on what she did so in turn she did not attach or bond like normal unfortunately. The betrayal of a caregiver as a child really damages this dynamic and provides an arena for lack of empathy as well.
@@sarahendrix3132 Exactly. Unfortunately, whenever Aileen did have someone profess to "love" her, the individual invariably used her longing for intimacy and acceptance to abuse and use her. So, Aileen grew up associating love with pain and betrayal. It's tragic that no one stepped in when she was younger, but people just ignored her plight and her own biological mother abandoned her and her brother, her other relatives physically and sexually abused her - it's possible the first pregnancy she had was due to one of those relatives assaulting her - and I'm not surprised she had C-PTSD (a very understandable response to prolonged abuse and trauma) if not also BPD. The way her once-time lesbian lover, Tyria Moore, who was with her for 4 years - quite a long time for Aileen, only ending when the woman decided to make a plea deal with LE, giving her complete immunity fro any and all prosecution/criminal charges - betrayed Aileen is heartrending and upsetting. The one woman she'd trusted and done her all to financially support, had turned on her in order to apparently avoid any charges of being an accessory to murder and so forth. Aileen had considered Moore to be her wife in all but name, and did everything to provide for her. And after pointing at her in court, she never once looked at the woman, Aileen, who had literally put her life on the line to give this woman a lifestyle shed never have had otherwise. Yet this woman knew exactly what Aileen was doing to get the funds to keep her in 'high style' and she was quite content to sit back and leave all the risks to Aileen - the risk of STDs, the risk of being raped, assaulted, robbed and abused, as is common for anyone working the streets, highways etc. the way Aileen was. The way the ex-lover claimed she knew nothing about the murders was complete lies but LE were so focused on getting Aileen behind bars with the death penalty that they didn't care how unjust the so-called 'justice system' worked in this case. Moore definitely knew about the 1989 murder of Richard Mallory, the man Aileen alleged had raped her. These days this woman, Tyria Moore, lives with a new wife in Pennsylvania. It's a sickening betrayal by Tyria and the way she ruthlessly went about the deal with LE then moved onto another woman shows she's a cold, remorseless individual who, I think, was happy to use Aileen as long as she could. It's just a very sad history of betrayals which Aileen endured throughout her entire life from the time she was a toddler and by those supposed to care for her, and one thinks - if only....
There was something that was overlooked by you. Aileen was homeless as a teen in the winter and spent nights in a make shift fort at the end of the street where she had lived with grandfather. When the temperatures became unbearable she then headed south. This is a big area of her life to not take into consideration. I sincerely believe Aileen had no chances to become a productive member of society.
@@ToyotaGuy1971 I don't understand your comment. At least I hope I don't. Who are "these people"? Gay people before prison? She fits in all of these: People who are molested.. Beginning of her life. Raped.. Various stages at least once mid life.. or people who suffer delusions.. End of her life she thought people were poisoning her food. Which group of people? I really hope your not saying gay people are maladjusted!
@@ToyotaGuy1971 There's just no room for people who are filled with that much hate and fear. She didn't murder people because she was gay. Man, maybe you need to stick around. Get as much mental health as you can. That was not this doctors point at all!!
@@ToyotaGuy1971 you are very misguided and hateful. I hope you dont consider yourself a Christian! I suspect you are probably gay yourself and dont have the courage to come out. This has made you bitter.
I appreciate your perspective on Aileen Wuornos. While I agree that she was responsible for her actions, I also understand how her entire life prepared her for it. In my opinion, she never had a chance to do things differently. She never experienced anything that would show her she could. Tragic life. Thank you for sharing your compassionate, rational perspective.
While I also agree with his perspective and his analysis, I just wish he could be more descriptive when she got in trouble with the law and not say things like ( she got in trouble with the law this time it was... ) I wish he would describe what was going on to make the law go after her, I think that is more telling in it self
many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.
It made me quite sad both when I watched documentaries about her and, of course, the film "Monster" despite the way it's been criticised for allegedly creating strong mitigating circumstances for her murders of the seven men. The fact her traumatic past was suppressed during court proceedings yet other details of her violence and other criminal history were deliberately introduced makes me think that the legal system was determined to ensure she received the death penalty and was regarded purely as a psychopathic serial killer lacking remorse, morals, and a 'base criminal'. When one considers the extreme physical, sexual and emotional abuse she endured from her earliest years, one has to recognise that this created serious issues for her as she grew older. We know from many studies, such as those in the 1950s with young orphans and also monkeys, that when children are deprived of physically nurturing contact that children grow up with depressed immune systems, higher cortisol or stress levels, long-lasting cognitive delay, and increased aggression plus low impulse-control. And we see these in Aileen as she grew older, as well as what I think was a severe case of C-PTSD. NPD, as Dr. Grande mentions, is also likely a factor for her due to the way she was treated by her family members. Her case is one that could and should have been prevented and there's the sense that if others had intervened when she was young, and she had a support network, that things would've turned out quite differently for her. As it stands, her case is a heartbreaking one.
Dr Grande, as a licensed clinician myself, I so appreciate how you reflect and is mindful of your comments of this case. You always uphold your ethical duty as a clinician. Speculating is always the right word to say especially if you have not met the person you are narrating. As a solution-focused therapist, I say “do more” of these videos. Very informative.😊
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
Aileen reflected back the total lack of empathy that she saw since her childhood in her community. She mirrored what she saw and experienced from childhood to adolescent years. No one helped her. No one cared, no one had empathy for her even when she was a helpless child. Her story tells the story of an American community.
We can view every criminal like this and most people. She's still a horrible person for murdering all those men. Do you think her abusers weren't abused? Where does the buck end, and we as adults take responsibility?
@@MmmKayHuuNay -- She was not born a horrible infant. Her horrible actions as an adult reflect a horrible society made up of horrible adults who still refuse to take responsibility. It's just so much easier to call toddlers evil when they won't do what they're told because they instinctively see through our superficial pretenses. Where does the buck end? It ends with us, with You! And don't worry, you don't have to be perfect or better than your neighbor, you don't even have to pretend. All you have to do is not be horrible! :-)
@@jackdavidsen6074 I think the harsh sentence she received, despite extenuating circumstances, shows the misogyny that is still lingering in our society.
When I think of Aileen's case I can't help but think of another case, the documentary Child of Rage. That little girl was severely abused in infancy by her father and developed reactive attachment disorder. She was adopted into a loving family, along with her brother. She displayed aggressive behavior (killing baby birds, sexually molesting her brother, stabbimg the family dog). The doc shows imterviews with the girl (I think she was about five or six in the interviews) and the way she discribes the things she did were very chilling. She did get help and today she is a nurse who runs a program for children who have reactive attachment disorder. it just makes me wonder what would have become of that girl had she not had an intervention at that critical time in her life. Would Aileen also have gone a different path had she had someone who loved her and got her help.
I think it shows the importance of getting help when you're younger. By the time I Alene was arrested for this she was damaged beyond repair. I feel sorry for the child she was but the adult she became was scary and unfortunately I think beyond repair.
I've seen 'Child of rage'..It was one of the saddest things I've ever seen,this pretty little girl with big blue eyes,recounting the violent and grisly thoughts and actions that she wanted to,and did perpetrate,it was quite chilling,thankfully her adoptive parents were loving and caring individuals,who managed to get her the help she so badly needed,my heart ached for her,after she received intensive therapy,she became upset with remorse when recounting the death of the baby birds,and hurting her little brother,that's when I knew she had a chance of happiness,of being able to give as well as receive love,it was a very emotional education.
@@MsChappy77 It warms my heart to hear that..It's what I had hoped for her,to find some happiness and peace of mind,to be surrounded by people who loved her.❤
Her life was so bad that she didn't care about whether she lived or died. She didn't have a chance. Sometimes I wish she could have been put in a sanitarium for the criminally insane. I do feel sadness for her terrible life. Thank-you Dr Grande for giving a sympathetic view of her life.😔❤️🇨🇦
Most people with adverse childhood experiences never had a level paying field, in regards to becoming a mentally healthy and emotionally healthy adult.
Her abuse was pretty extensive, consistent and brutal. Mixed with abandonment and poverty. I dont think the average Joe and Jane have these kind of backgrounds. Carl Panzram is another good example, whom Dr. Grande has also covered.
One of the most heartbreaking stories I heard about Aileen was with the desire to have friends she saved her money to throw a party and invited all her peers. They came to the party then threw her out of the party and she sat in the backyard at her own party. I don’t think she ever had a chance in life.
Remember that Aileen was a fabulator, making up stories one after another, that would often contradict each other 180 degrees. Absolutely nothing she said can be taken at face value, unfortunately.
I have fallen asleep so many times while watching Dr. Grande’s videos in bed and that’s a compliment - the sound of his voice is strangely soothing so off to sleepy times I go whether I’m tired or not!
Thank you for having some empathy for her. Mostly one just hears harsh judgement. She did do terrible things, but it seems like she never had a chance in any aspect. of her life. One of the saddest cases ever.
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
Humans can't conjure positive traits such as empathy out of nothing. They have to experience it first, in order to give it to others. Thank you so much for educating sleepless people in Europe with your videos, Dr. Grande. The "L." in your name stands for "lovely", right?
Well said! I like to think that "L" is for learning, my goodness do I learn plenty from the Doctor.💯🤔 I've always liked psychology even when I was like 9y/o, I would get books from the library about Sigmund Freud & magazines like Psychology today.🤔 Yeah, I'm kind of Geeky.🙂 And I really do have empathy for Aileen, just think growing-up everywhere you turn, you always see the worst part of life.😑💔😢
I agree, how can she give what she has never felt, seen, experienced? It's stupid for normal people who had the privilege of being born into good families to understand someone who was raised like a feral child and abused? She didn't even care when they executed her, she was ready to go...had enough.
My heart is so warmed by all of the understanding and kind responses to Aileen. So nice to see such empathy from such a large number of people about a poor misunderstood and abused individual. And than you Dr. Grande for giving us the place to understand and discuss her. Such a tragedy. RIP Aileen.
Yea I've never felt sympathy for a serial killer until her. All she knew was pain and that's all she could give. Her mother was clearly damaged. Probably by her father. I don't understand anything anymore. Everything is just so sad.
AW was brutalized and kicked down many times and that changes you. I really feel for her. I think her life could have been so different. Thanks for talking about this interesting woman Dr Grande.
Thank you for making this video regarding Aileen. I have been fascinated by this case. I personally think she was made into a “monster” & I felt empathy towards her. Aileen’s adoptive “mom” & lawyer seemed like shady characters to me as well. This was a well done video done with compassion. I also come away smarter upon watching your videos.
I have always felt deeply sorry for Aileen. Your insights are compassionate and at the same time professional. Hopefully Aileen will have found peace in the other world. She had a rough passage in this one.
I have always felt extremely sorry for Aileen. Of course there is no excuse for her actions, but at the same time there is a part of me that can understand why she did what she did. Frankly, I think that she finally just snapped. She was abandoned and failed by everyone in her life, including society in general. I saw a clip a while back from her trial where her girlfriend is testifying against her. You can clearly see on Aileens face how her heart is completely shattered as she realizes that she has been abandoned yet again by someone she loved and who she thought loved her back. That clip is absolutely heartbreaking to watch and I felt so sad for her. I think she lived an incredibly lonely and tough life and that all she wanted was that one person who really loved and cared about her - like we all do - but she never managed to find it. Again; it is in no way an excuse for what she did, but yeah, I really do feel for her. She deserved so much better than what she was handed in life.
@@justinstrong9595 or people are just judgmental c*nts. Most people can’t think for themselves. They just follow the crowd. So, especially in school of most people don’t like someone for whatever reason, usually ridiculous, others won’t. You didn’t know her. She obviously was going through things and no one seems to have taken the time to understand that.
That's the dilemma about Aileen Wuornos...,sure, at 1st you can take her as an abused child..., but make no mistake, she was diagnosed as a psychopathic killer who lured, murdered, & robbed her victims. Society must believe that it is fair & just to help those who have suffered dysfunctionality in their lives.
@@justinstrong9595 was her grandfather beating her daily as a child bdsm style with a belt then making her clean it because she was a ‘bad person’? Get real
There may have been people somewhere along the way that wanted to love her and care for her, but at some point she became unlovable. She developed a very hard shell through no fault of her own. Her whole life was a long string of tragic horrible events.
I think the deep sense of betrayal that must follow finding out that you've been lied to all your life must add to the destabilisation of personality in these cases.
butch monster ~> So was the actor Jack Nicholson ;~) “Here’s Johnny!” ~as ad-libbed by Mr. Nicholson, during a seminal horror-scene, in Kubrick’s “The Shining”.
Imagine being pregnant as a teen by your grandfather’s buddy. This woman was betrayed and abandoned or abused by every adult she deserved to be able to rely on, since birth. She was impulsive and angry and violent, but my heart still goes out to her. No child or teen should go through this. No childhood. All I feel for her is compassion. Like a wild animal trying to survive.
My daughter in law and her brother were abandoned by their mother when they were quite young. They stayed with different relatives until she was old enough to get guardianship of her brother and go to work to support them. I have so much admiration for her that I can never give her enough love. She sacrificed for her brother and has worked so hard to overcome what her mother did to them. She’s the sweetest and kindest person I have ever met.
This is such a sad story. I can't imagine growing up in this horrible situation. She never had a chance in life. Thank you for your insightful analyses, Dr. They are so informative.
many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.
I think this is an example, an extreme one, of the overlap between criminal behaviors and mental health issues. Societal biases based on race, gender, ethnicity, socio-economics, etc. may often overlook how trauma and disposition contribute to the profound emotional, cognitive, and interpersonal deficits linked with such criminal atrocities. The bio-psycho-social effects of trauma scream loudly for a long time without being heard. I wonder how often this goes on at lesser degrees, yet contributes to similar issues. Thanks. That must have been tough subject matter.
Wendy Mcreynollds acknowledgments of the profound impact of trauma quite often would come with taking a good long and hard look in the mirror and how quite often people are made to be that way!
We ask these questions of female offenders but it is considered insensitive to the family of the victim to ask such question of male offenders. Interesting.
Much of her symptoms seem to have been a Survival Mechanism as well. She had a LOT against her, during her entire lifespan. Survival sex at age 11 for food? Whoa.
I really appreciate the humanity you conveyed in this story. It’s incredibly sad to me that there was no other means to hold her accountable, under the horrific circumstances she was raised.
Thank you for saying that the abuse/ trauma she suffered as a child was among the worst you had heard of..I was about to say the same. Omg that poor child! PTSD makes sense.
I am thankful you brought up her past to possibly explain her behaviour in adulthood, many people look at the crime but fail to care about what happened before that. Enjoying your videos, subscribed.
Dr Grande, you have discussed Aileen, in the fairest manner, I've seen to date!! This case pricked my interest many years ago.. because I too, had a child at 15 years old. Although my situation was not perfect, it was vastly different to Aileens! Watching video of Aileen, & 'feeling' her story whilst looking into her eyes... I've always believed.. had she had someone in her corner, truly in her corner! Her life wouldve likely been much different, still an uphill climb... but *much* different! I felt I could see the wall she had up against people & society itself, the hit or be hit, which obviously became, kill or be killed, in her mind! Such a very tragic situation!! Still, her story became a tragic situation for 7 men!! 7 other families!! Although my heart breaks for Aileens story,, & as you pointed out.. mapping out her story & the events that unfolded.. one can easily fathom, how she got there.. & how she was likely able to justify her actions to herself! This all may be her reasoning behind murder.. imo, it can never be an excuse. Because there's never a tangible excuse to wipe another person off the face of the earth, other than self defense!! Imo, going by articles & footage etc, Aileen was seriously exploited after these events, just as she had been as a child. Even as a death row prisoner, I find this utterly disgraceful!!! Although I too watched such footage, I actually felt bad, doing so!!! She truly *still* needed an advocate, to see her through till the end!!! May her victims R.I.P & I hope their families hearts have found some healing!! Thank you Dr Grande, for a fair & just presentation on Aileen.
@@serendipitous_synchronicity I know that feeling about the name. There was a time I trusted people unless or until I found out I couldn't. I thought it was a wise way to live because we all have so much to learn from each other. A nice theory; unwise in practice. Thank you for sharing. Truly glad you're okay. Hugs and blessings sent.
Honestly I feel nothing but heartache and sympathy for her.. Sex work can completely distort your view of males in their entirety. Add the situations she was put in, in addition her history.. finally her survival/fighter spirit.. I don't see how things would have turned out differently. RIP. 🖤
Disagree. Sex work clarifies your view of males. You realize what they really are, at least on the whole. Women who know what men are - like Eileen Wuornos- have to be painted as “insane“
I cannot imagine how it would feel for a young girl to be abused, neglected and taken advantage of, ALL your life. Most little girls, rich or poor are busy playing with dolls, dreaming of singing and dancing, playing dress ups with friends. She deserved better. I hold her responsible for her actions, but more over I hold her mother, father and Grandparents even more responsible, they may not have pulled the trigger but they loaded the gun. God bless her in heaven, may she be at some peace now. I also pray for the innocent parties that were harmed, may they also have comfort and peace. Thank you Dr Grande for your perspective.
Well, LOTS of little girls have no interest in playing with dolls, dreaming of singing and dancing (seriously? you think most girls "dream" about this? LOL), or playing dress up. Some like science or active outdoor play. I was a tomboy & I NEVER played dress up with friends! But the point is not what she might have done as a child; it was that she never HAD a childhood. There never seemed to be a time when she could feel secure and safe to play at all! That's why you & I & many others think that she didn't stand a chance at a happy life. I wish people would be responsible and not have children if they are not going to provide the emotional & material support children need to become healthy adults. So many people just have children by default. I like the way you said it: They may not have pulled the trigger, but they loaded the gun. I thank God I did not have to live her life. She'll get no condemnation from me.
It seems like this poor woman stood no chance , I guess that doesn't mean she would necessarily kill multiple times, but being subjected to so much violence, it's not wholly surprising .
I know that she committed heinous crimes, but my heart really goes out to her. I wish she could have had a loving and supportive childhood experience. But then, there are some who DO have loving and supportive childhoods and they end up doing heinous things, too. I think her particular story just affects my heart. Thank you for this.
@@goofybutserious4807 sympathy does not mean one excuses the crimes someone committed. I could not and would not condone any of her actions; that could have be one of my family members she killed. I'd take her out myself if the court didn't. However, given how often women are sexually abused, it shouldn't come as a surprise that her case is upsetting to those who have been sexually abused. It's a tragedy all around, not just for the victims. Most every killer was a scared little boy or girl at one point, and when we find people that have went through similar trauma at a young age, it is jolting. I'd love to take out my abuser, but his crimes do not apply to the rest of men. That's what makes this case frightening, she overstepped the line from revenge to savage. It's a line that mental unwellness can blur. Frankly, if she was a man, I'd still feel bad for her. It's not that she's a woman, it's the trauma she endured. This case is just shitty for everyone involved. She still deserved a death sentence, though.
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
"Entertainment"???? Really??!!!!! OUCH!!!!! If following along with this kind of thing is 'entertainment' for you, perhaps a few sessions on the couch would be your ultimate trill! And it might not be a bad idea, all in all.
I notice nobody ever says that about Manson, who was abused just as much, if not worse, having been pimped by his mom. It seems like a double standard and that murder to her victims gets downplayed.
Great job as usual, doc. This case is certainly a rather unique and difficult one to tackle, and you handled it with eloquence and smoothness as is typical with your videos. I've become a big fan, and am looking forward to more.👍👍
She never stood a chance in life really the odds were stacked against a stable life bcos of her back round but not everyone with an abusive childhood acts out like Eileen did, such a sad case I did feel compassion for her though to me she was obviously a poorly woman. I and others thought the name of the film monster was cruel considering what she had been through...and the death sentence ...just sad all round
@Kyle Whitehead , I didn't see the movie, but hello? She was the victim for many years ....and when she was an adult , all that abuse was unleashed on others. It would be a miracle for her to turn out any other way. We all pay the price when children are abused.
I dont blame her. Who really knows her pain? We know what she did but how did she get there? If you have not thought about killing someone you have not lived. We are in denial about what we really do to eachother. If this story belonged to a dog people would undetstand if it started biting people.
I absolutely agree. No one but Aileen lived through the horrific Childhood and Adolescence she did. I'm not surprised at all she became what she became. And Yes! People are in total denial that under the Right circumstances, Humans are Capable of Anything!
your comment reminds me of The Crunch - Poem by Charles Bukowski too much too little too fat too thin or nobody. laughter or tears haters lovers strangers with faces like the backs of thumb tacks armies running through streets of blood waving winebottles bayoneting and fucking virgins. an old guy in a cheap room with a photograph of M. Monroe. there is a loneliness in this world so great that you can see it in the slow movement of the hands of a clock people so tired mutilated either by love or no love. people just are not good to each other one on one. the rich are not good to the rich the poor are not good to the poor. we are afraid. our educational system tells us that we can all be big-ass winners it hasn't told us about the gutters or the suicides. or the terror of one person aching in one place alone untouched unspoken to watering a plant. people are not good to each other. people are not good to each other. people are not good to each other. I suppose they never will be. I don't ask them to be. but sometimes I think about it. the beads will swing the clouds will cloud and the killer will behead the child like taking a bite out of an ice cream cone. too much too little too fat too thin or nobody more haters than lovers. people are not good to each other. perhaps if they were our deaths would not be so sad. meanwhile I look at young girls stems flowers of chance. there must be a way. surely there must be a way that we have not yet though of. who put this brain inside of me? it cries it demands it says that there is a chance. it will not say "no." Charles Bukowski
You have to blame her, she chose to kill innocent people. That's never the right thing to do. Dogs can't understand like people can. And even a dog won't bite unless it feels threatened.
I think we can blame her in the same we would blame a male offender from an abusive background who becomes a serial killer. Indeed, anyone who mentions exonerating circumstances in the case of male serial killers people who look for exonerating circumstances are called out as being "insensitive to the families of the victims". I happen to be old fashion enough to believe in equality of all before the law.
@@PeterGregoryKelly I feel terrible for anyone who went through severe abuse. I think there's a lot of abuse around too. But regardless of the cause, we can't allow killers to run loose. We have to protect ourselves. I don't know the answers. It'd be nice to give them a compassionate place to live and maybe they could be happy, but for a million reasons, that's a fantasy.
Thank you for making the video, Dr. Grande!! It makes us learnt more about the importance of proper childhood parenting. It took me a long while to think about this case. In my opinion, we have to be there as a community knowing something wrong going on. In Aileen's case, there had to be somebody to report the incident of the children being beaten excessively by the grandpa. And put in a shelter under a church counseling. if it had been handled on the early onset, she might have been saved from lots of further twisted situations. Again, thank you for sharing your insights, Dr. Grande!! I think, you're right in every point. God bless🙏🤞
Amazing analysis, Dr. Grande. You covered all bases with intellect and compassion and explained how she most likely reached such a diabolical state. If someone makes another movie about her, a fair and balanced one, it should be based on your analysis. Her life from the day she was born sounds like sheer hell.
I have seen the film and documentaries about her. One documentary seemed to be having the film makers use her rather than genuinely want to speak with her and research her life, which was sad to see. What one does wonder is how much more differently things may have turned out is someone had stepped in when she was young and she'd had a support system. Instead, everyone turned their backs to her and she grew up unable to trust, to feel able to let her guard down, and full of - understandable - rage and bitterness. To finally be betrayed as the lover did to her was quite awful. It was really the cruelest thing that anyone could have done after about 4-5 years together, the only 'real' relationship she had known. She had funded that woman's drug habit and been earning money for her, primarily, rather than just herself, and then the woman made a deal with LE and prosecutors that completely threw Aileen under the bus. On top of that, critical information about her entire life being full of extremely traumatic abuse was suppressed whilst her criminal history was made admissible and it seems, from that, that this was done to ensure she was viewed as a predatory psychopath with no remorse and no rel reason to murder except psychopathy and material gain, and to ensure she received the death penalty. I believe she should've received prison sentences rather than death.
It's a good movie but remember it is Hollywood's version... BASED on fact.... NOT actually factual. They make the men seem almost like victims except let's remember that THE MEN went shopping for the hooker in the first place. Should we call it Karma? If they hadn't shopped for cheap 🙀 that day they might still be alive. Ohwell.
I am grateful for your ability and will to include levels of understanding that I rarely come across. Thank you, and best wishes. P.S. I took a look at the comments, and to my surprise, I found that they pretty much all show understanding and caring. Thank you, everybody. May your lives and the lives of your loved ones be happy and loving throughout.
Hi Todd Grande.l've never heard of this lady...hearing your analysis on this victim,from a young age to early adulthood she was abused,and never had any help from the school,social services ??? A failure from the system...having to cope with so much truma most have provoked her to gain control of her life,these issues could have been provented if she got the right help...it's a shame for a victim gone through so much gets the death sentence... Thanks for a great video
Interesting video, I saw the movie and I always thought there was more going on. You're so compassionate you speak to fax with no judgement thank you for the video
Love how informative your videos are. You go above and beyond with the explanation of each mental illness in the descriptions as well. Thankful for you Dr. Grande! Happy 2021 :)
I saw you posted this and i had to read the case. Then I remembered i saw a movie about it. I feel so sad for this woman. She definitely needed help and to be in prison but she never in her life had true love nor a chance. I believe her.
Every time I hear about a case like this, I think, "please don't have Borderline, please don't have Borderline..." It's sort of scary to have the same thing as someone incredibly violent. But it also helps me realize that as much as I struggle with black and white thinking, fear of abandonment, impulsivity, volatile relationships, etc., that I have some decent skills and I could be doing WAY worse.
I know, right? I'm more of a sad, constantly crying, passive BPD sufferer but I can go off and shout at people. I know that I would never attack and hurt people though, whatever people think borderline doesn't automatically make you bad or unloving person.
You are amazing. You may have watered the wrong seed in your garden but you are pulling up the weeds and looking forward to the blooms of summer. Stand in front of the mirror and 😊 smile.
I have some friends that have BPD, and they are amazing ppl, tho they struggle. Not all of BPD folks are like this. And. Honestly, it has more to do with what trails are expressed and what other co-occurring disorders are going on too.
I feel for you! It must be difficult! I am codependant and lovve addict had a relationship with Borderline guy. So traumatizing... now not into relationships at all.. Im healing and wanting to be stable and healthy
Dr. Grande, I do enjoy your analyses. I can say that all of your videos I have viewed have fascinated me. Your knowledge of the DSM is encyclopedic, and your ability to present the facts in an unbiased manner, after a great deal of research, is truly commendable.
I work as a mental health clinician as well, and have a request for you Todd. Since you have a big audience, I think it would be extremely helpful if you could provide a discussion of "what to look for" re kids in trouble (and) what to do once you see signs of problems (i.e. how to intervene). Thanks so much for considering. An ounce of prevention.
Excellent analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande. As terrible as her actions were, the story of who she was and how she could not be redeemed in a country with so many resources is very sad, and perhaps should bother us where inpatient beds on child and adolescent psychiatric units had waiting lists pre COVID 19, speaking to a larger need for mental health support for kids. Kids. They have so much life in front of them and they are depressed, anxious, suicidal in larger numbers. Early intervention is very important, yes, but our brain is much more able to make new connections into adulthood than neurology previously thought as I understand. I hope this is so, because there are rising numbers of people, and younger people, with more serious mental health crises than 5 years ago. I can’t quote the specific data - don’t recall the numbers - but they were stunning in a very negative sense. I guess hearing about this one female serial killer made me ponder what we are leaving other children today - right now- possibly going through similar horrors at home where they should be safe, and going on into a community & world that may not recognize the better chance they can give this kid by seeing the early behavior signs not just as ‘bad behavior’ but as a way to understand the kid, so to give them the chance at a better way via an evaluation by a licensed professional, some help at home if it looks like it’s abusive etc To avoid another victim becoming violent and creating more victims.
she idealised a world where killing and robbing was a kind of survival strategy... she was so victimised and then death penalty? no... society is not allowed to do this to a person. another great analysis. thank you Dr Grande
Midway through your video, I felt a huge and warm wave of compassion for Aileen. I feel we’re one and hence we all failed Aileen. Thank you for giving justice to Aileen through showing us what was on the other side of the coin.
This was great, really well done and you obviously put in a great deal of effort, and have been the most empathetic I've seen you regarding serial killers. This case first made me start questioning society's role in criminality. There's no denying she was a killer, but if she'd EVER been shown love or appreciation in any form we may not be here. I don't agree with the death penalty, especially in this case. She was only ever used by society. Abandoned, abused since birth nearly, if we treat our children in horrendous ways why do we place total blame on that person when we do horrific things to them as a child? Then kill them when we can't accept or live with what has become of them. Like the below comments (nearly all women, interesting) I agree she never had a chance and she deserves our empathy. I think she bordered on insanity for a long time. No wonder she was grandiose and had many fantasy's, I see that as just a coping and defense mechanism. How else was she to keep living day after day without dreams to escape into. I often wonder why men express such surprise when an abused woman 'snaps' Women are built to endure....often we take abuse, even feel empathy for the abuser, in the hopes our love can fix them...and we take it and take it and we take it, yet......everyone has a breaking point, women are usually DRIVEN to kill. Aileen Wuornos endured more than most, more than anyone should ever have to. I'm not saying she would not have been 'difficult' if born into a loving and supportive family, but all these personality disorders...I'm interested to know are they there from birth, to be either 'triggered' or not depending on her formative years or were hers created by constant unrelenting sexual abuse, abandonment and treated with disgust. Not even the most basic of Maslow's needs were met; no safety, homeless in early teens due to a pregnancy that was in no way her fault, and shunned by society to boot. Yes, she evolved into a monster, but she was created by an uncaring, cold hard world then killed for it. May she be resting in some kind of peace at last. I don't think she had any, not a drop, while she was alive.
I agree that she should not have been given the death penalty. It's telling, though, that she didn't want to continue to appeal her case. I think she just wanted her psychological pain to end. So it seems more like an assisted suicide. She was abused and abandoned by family, but the justice system also failed her by not getting her the mental health care she needed during and after her previous incarceration.
I wonder to what extent the social costs of child abuse and neglect would be reduced if all children had decent parents? Wouldn't it be great if for those children who did have to endure/survive abuse and neglect, false memories of a loving childhood could be implanted (like in Bladerunner) to restructure the damage caused by lack of love?
I wrote a script about this.You buy memories.You go to a dealer he gives you meaning purpose,a new schema. But you need enough money.Only the ritch have enough for good memories or so the story goes.
@@starboy2013 As a freelance writer, I'm intrigued by your plot. I must say that I personally would worry about having other 'memories' implanted! I don't trust such organisations or corporations that can provide such advances readily. That's perhaps because of being an INTJ (on the MBTI) or maybe just something instinctual? Certainly, though, memories are what we consider to make up what and who we are. When someone has genuine memory loss, their previous life is non-existent and they don't recognise important people in their life and they don't know what they like or dislike from fragrances to sounds to books, films, music and so on. The study of memories and what people recall, including that of people diagnosed with DID, is a fascinating area. All the best for your script.
Can you PLEASE analyze the Brooke Skylar Richardson case? She is the one who was just on trial for concealing her pregnancy while in high school and giving birth to the baby alone. She says the baby was still born so buried it in her backyard.
Britanny B yeah I’m intrigued too. I believe she was a victim of her narcissistic mother. I believe her mother knew and controlled the whole situation. The girl was conditioned, desperately trying to win the approval and please this cold insatiable mother. If you watch the videos of the trial, it’s only her father that shows her any tactile love and support. The mother shows duping delight. She isn’t effected or distressed in the slightest, she’s enjoying the attention. She’s evil. The daughter is very disturbed and the father a cowardly flying agent for his headcase of a wife. The mother is jealous of the daughter and sees her as a possession and merely an extension of herself. It’s all about how they ‘appear’ to others. Chris Watts’ mother is the same. I watched her videos too. Chilling. She orchestrated the hatred to his wife and brainwashed her son. Very powerful puppeteers. Love Dr.Grande’s vids 👍
I believe her baby had stopped growing in utero and had died. The baby was born with a shriveled umbilical cord that was not attached to the placenta. Brooke’s mother is definitely narcissistic and stressed how important looks and presentation were. Brooke was narcissistically abused. Most children of malignant narcissists develop Bpd.
@@vanessasouthern1792 we don’t even know the daughter was disturbed. She might’ve given birth to a stillborn baby and been afraid of her mothers abuse and backlash, so didn’t want to tell her. That’s perfectly reasonable
She was a victim before she became a perpetrator. She was totally abandoned and unloved as a child. It’s tragic all round. Thanks for vid ❤️🇬🇧
Yes she was horrifically abused. Her life was tragic. Most male killers were abused in youth too, though.
I saw her biography, and you are right. I grew up in Michigan, and she grew up in northern Michigan. Although she was born in Rochester, I think she grew up in the northern area of the lower-penisula state, not sure. One story that I remember is when her mom would get upset with her, her mom (or someone in the family) would push her out of the house during the winter time, and Aileen would have to find a place to sleep out in the cold during the night. I don't excuse her crimes, but she was treated horribly as a child and it is sad.
yes, tragic.
@David Vazquez No one said it did. But she was made into a killer by the cruel treatment she suffered as a child and there is nothing wrong with feeling sadness about her upbringing.
David Vazquez It doesn’t excuse her crimes but it explains why they happened. To be completely unsympathetic is pretty heartless, in all honesty.
You imagine a puppy growing up in a cage. All it ever knows of other people is them poking sticks at it, starving it, leaving it in the cold. That innocent puppy grows up to be a rabid dog, because it is trained by society that everyone else is not to be trusted.
It gets a skewed perspective on the world that it must remain on the defence.
Aileen is a byproduct of her environment, it was somewhat inevitable that she ended up doing what she did. It’s like it was programmed into her.
In all honesty, she’s just a pawn in a game. For you to not see that is more than naive to me.
Thank you for your kindness regarding Aileen Wuornos, doctor. This was a woman who was tossed into the cold at an early age and _never knew love._ Her mother was horrid and should gave been jailed for neglect imo. Her grandparents didn't love her and she often lived out in the Michigan cold winter in a tent. She was abused physically and sexually and never had a shot at a good life. How do we expect people to be any different than she turned out if they're beaten, unloved and tossed away like trash and used as a sex slave?
What she did was, of course, wrong and horrible; but I have always felt for her because I can't help but wonder what I'd be like under those same hopeless circumstances.
To add insult to her many years of injury, we as a society decided that she wasn't worth helping and so we killed her. She never had a chance.
Thank you again, Dr Grande, 🌹👍😢 Saddest serial killer story I ever read about.
We're suppose to feel sorry for a serial killer? If she was a man nobody would feel sorru for her. Double standards
it saddens me so much for what this woman went through starting in childhood into her later years. She turned into the monster that she became because of it. No one deserves to go through what she went through, breaks me 😞
this exactly what i was going to say, but you said it for me, god bless
One of Canada's most evil serial killer was raped brutally multiple times. He was also raped in his foster home . Most serial killers were victims of child rape. I guess society is equally responsible for creating serial killers
If you wanted to raise a serial killer I don't know how you could have done a better job.
I saw the movie years ago and the producer/director made a statement at the end which always stuck with me and caused me to correct a wrongly held opinion. I had ignorantly accepted the notion that going through ordeals and coming out the other end indicated you were stronger, better able to cope. But the director stated this was false, abuse and trauma does not make for stronger, more resilient personalities, it just produces broken people. I was quite young when I heard this and it has proven true in my opinion. I have a lot of empathy and sympathy for Aileen's story, a very sad, neglected life, no wonder she welcomed death.
In addition, strong ppl are BORN, NOT created by hardship. The strong survive & adapt new strategies for living. Weak ppl are damaged & do not heal. Weak ppl do not have the strength or grit or ability to prevail. The saying "steel that's been thru fire is stronger" gets it wrong... Steel is already strong. Fire may harden it but compare to aluminum foil in fire... Still a metal but NOT strong. Simply crisps up & burns in fire.
she may have been murdering men long before she got caught as she was hitching from state to state for years
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
@@AndyPanda3 absolutely true. I have first hand experience all the way to the end.😔
I'd say there are a lot of negative experiences we can live through and come out stronger, but I think there are very few people who would claim that "abuse" and "trauma" in particular would fall into that category. It's more that many people justify things that should reasonably be described by these words because they don't see them as such, and downplay them in their mind. Bullying is probably one such topic where many people think that you can grow from it because they don't really understand what it does to the individual.
I always felt the first murder was self-defense, he had a history of violence towards women, and she figured out it was easier to kill a man for all of his money rather than have sex for a small amount. I do not think she was a typical serial killer where she had the desire to kill, I think her motive was always money. But it is nice to hear from a professional like Dr. Grande.
I've wondered this too! Sad state of affairs..
I actually feel sympathy to this day for her I know she was insane and probably not likely to be rehabilitated but she really was dealt a shit hand and yes I believe the first victim was questionable if he was truly a victim or if he wasn’t trying to kill her Another thing ppl can’t fathom is that sex workers are bery often raped or otherwise sexually assaulted they r extremely vulnerable fringe members of society and predatory men purposely choose these women to abuse
I concur with your summation. It's very likely that Aileen Wuornos was suffering C-PTSD due to all the years of abuse. I think she likely did shoot the first man in self-defense based upon his history of violence but she was focused upon trying to support her lover at this time so monetary gain became her focus for killing, especially as she had a history of being impulsive and frivolous with money. What's concerning to me is why her history of trauma was suppressed during the trials .
@@Adara007 You have a talent for writing my friend. Great post!
@@chi-chi6354 In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with feeling compassion for a person, without excusing their actions. This woman needed more compassion in her life, its quite possible if she had more caring people in her life, she might have traveled down a different path.
As a survivor of sexual, physical and emotional abuse I really feel for her she got shit on from the time she was born. I don’t excuse murder but damn she had no one she could trust or turn to. Very tragic
True
Actually she had a long time girlfriend that she confided in
@@MentokTheMindTaker actually that girlfriend turned on her and testified against her
@@shanaurban3319 Yeah because she was a serial killer.....but they were good friends. So obviously she did have people she could trust in until she became a monster
Actually she had a girlfriend so why are you being overly sensational and telling a flat out lie?
This is the only serial killer that I've ever shed tears for. And really, how can't you? Literally everything and everyone failed her.
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
It breaks my heart. I see energy fields and hers was created under hardship and hate from her immediate family. She was a school yard scrapper so when she fought back and defended herself it made things even worse: I know the area in Michigan where her mom and other Finlanders came over and settled. A harsh and cruel environment. Poor Aileen was a victim and the trauma broke her spirit. She was fighting for her life every single day until the trauma won. She is in a much better place and I cry for her too. RIP
She sent a lot of men to hell.
I know how you feel, I felt bad for what happened to bundy.
@@davidortiz2026 You're not a Christian, are you?
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth" - African proverb
this is so true
Wow! 💎 💎 💎
That is profound!!!!!
Thank you!!!
@T Z Parents ARE the village..
@T Z It's a metaphor, for many people their village is their parents.
The early formative years are so critical.
no shit
And sadly this is when monsters think it’s the perfect time to take advantage.
@@BlacPhoenix yep and children are still treated like second class citizens in lots of places.
@Rick Vis But sometimes the people deciding for them aren't as well.
Still in the US. Children are still considered secondary to their parents needs. If the parents are unable to come together in an amicable way via divorce, the childs time will be devied up like a piece of meat till both parents are satisfied.
Her story has always saddened me immensely, I no way condone what she did but it's hard not to feel empathy for her.
not really.....especially when you watch her live...check out some vids....
Yes I feel for her, too. She`s been cheated and betrayed on her whole life. By everyone.
@@fredajordan5704 so have many others, yet they didn't kill, nor did they get your empathy............
I think it's ok to have basic human empathy but still condemn the criminal behavior. I feel sorry for the poor abused little girl who never had a chance at a normal life. I feel sorry for her like I would feel sorry for a vicious animal that needs to be put down.
Watching her interviews, her mannerisms, her delusions, and her mood swings, you can tell she is clearly unwell. Psychologically, there is more to her than simply being evil and choosing to kill. Regardless, she did kill those men, she was caught, and the death penalty was suitable yet compassionate--she was put out of her misery like a rabid dog.
Aileen Wuornos has always broken my heart. I certainly don't excuse her crimes, she definitely belonged in prison. It's just that from the time she was a young child, she never had even a ghost of a chance at life. 💔😭
@@mr.andmrs.adorable2033 lots of people arnt loved and dont murder innocents
She belonged never born. Her mother was the first criminal. She brought her pregnancy to full term and then abandoned her poor little toddler...Aileen.
234gp79h;w gwoRF124 - how do you know?
234gp79h;w gwoRF124 - lots of people do such horrible things that are never caught and they DID grow up with love. You’ve just never seen it nor read about it. I have!
Her story has always saddened me, no one there for her to love and protect her as a child. No wonder she turned out the way she did; like a trapped animal lashing out just trying to survive. If I ever wanted to have some one to RIP it is Aileen. She suffered enough in this life. 😥I don’t condone murder of course and offer sympathy to the families of her victims.
I’ve always felt like Aileen Wuornos never stood a chance. I’m sure she would have been a different person if someone had loved her as a child
She needed to have unconditional love in a normal upbringing! Wow some human beings are scum. And the people who bullied her 😒 hope you suffer now. American justice system failed her she was correct about that! A system ran by men! x
Would you say the same about henry lee lucas?
@@Somethingwentwrong777 Her story is no different that that of a vast number of male serial killers. They all were psychopaths deprived of the all important nurturing children need to develop normally.
@@yawn1887 No, since it's a woman's experience we're talking about here.
@@markandresen1 whoaa! Are you being sexist?
Imagine being 14, post partum and you are out on the streets. I cannot.
right everything bad that can happen to a woman happened to Aileen when she was just a girl
Omg. Just awful. What a beautiful way to humanize her and put women in her shoes after giving birth.
tf? wow I can't even imagine @ 14 Jesus...poor woman
Bull Shit. Any girl 'engaging in sex acts' in high school for cigarettes gets no sympathy from me.
She had a horrendous start to her life, heartbreaking.
This woman never had a chance. Tragic.
Sadly, I agree.
RoxiRoxi Me it really is and I think there’s a systematic problem in that the grandfather who abused her, should have been arrested before Aileen could be twisted up to do what she did
I have a very deep and heartfelt compassion for the little Aileen. Sweet little wee one never had a chance. Truth. 😢💙
I agree. She needed help not executed.
she had a chance
NOT A GREAT CHANCE
but alot of people who had a shit load of bad circumstances duped on theM have led good lives and been good people
IN FACT I WOULD SAY MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD A LOAD OF SHIT DUMPED ON THEM. HAVE TRANSCENDED THE TRAGEDY OF THEIR LIVES
alot of people on the lowest fringe of the world are true heros
they will never be recognised as such, but most of them are heroic
I have CPTSD due to sever childhood neglect and abuse. I remember, when I was a teenager, there were people who saw something was very wrong and wanted to help me, but I had such poor self esteem that I was not help-able back then. I would drive them away or run away from the very people who treated me with kindness because it was so unfamiliar. Also there was a terrible suspicion that they had an ulterior motive. Seriously, once you are abused as a child, the anger and low self-esteem makes it very hard for a caring person to intervene. I am now 45 and after 5 years of therapy I feel I can be relatively at peace with myself. It was a terrible journey though - I tell people that living with CPTSD felt like crawling through the deepest depths of hell, while being skinned alive. I can totally understand the destruction of a child's soul by child abuse and the trail of destruction such people leave behind them.
I am grateful for the therapist like Dr Grande, who seem to have discovered effective treatments for CPTSD. For me, EMDR combined with CBT really started to have an effect quite quickly.
@@nicoles7800 you are fortunate to be in a country that takes mental health seriously, not like that in Canada, all though I have noticed if you are female, young and pretty the male psychiatrists take a much grater interest in them,
Strange how that works out
@Adam Efimoff you are indeed fortunate to have caring parents, you probably wouldn't have turned out like Eileen but it's admirable that you have empathy for her.
Janaka.... I am so sorry this life has bin so terrible to you....you did not deserve this....i am so sorry for your suffering.....i am happy that your dr was able to help you....my heart goes out to you i send you my heart felt love n compaction....may your life be blessed.....
I too was sexually abused as a child. And went through years of therapy . It's very hard work I thank God for my
Therapist.
Janaka, I'm so glad you are experiencing healing. So sorry you have had to endure complex PTSD..
Eileen's case has always pulled at my heart strings. I know it's cliche to say but she really never had any chance. Nearly EVERY person in her life during her formative years treated her like she brought herself into existence just to inconvenience them. Poor girl. Smh.
I love how compassionately you look at cases. I’ve never met a mental health professional who looked at people through such a compassionate, understanding lens. That’s exactly what we all need.
That's frightening that you've never experienced either high levels of compassion or high levels of understanding from other mental health professionals. What treatment community is that?
@@SoulDelSol It’s the US mental health system. I’ve been a patient since I was 13. It’s horrible & there’s no compassion whatsoever. I even showed up for an appointment with a psychiatrist one time & she had quit that practice without telling her patients; empty building & everything. It’s ridiculous.
many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.
Analytical and compassionate, the traits of a good psychological healthcare worker.
compassionate like your nose ring.
This has to be one of the saddest stories of a girl's existence. There wasn't one individual in her life who made any effort to protect her from such brutality beginning as a small child.
It was if the universe pointed its finger at her...not in ANY positive ways...even until the day she died. 😢
I am a survivor of abuse and at 63…I STILL have flashbacks 😢
It's like all hell n evil was unleashed on her and she humanly combusted n unleashed all hell n evil onto others ..like the people that humanly combust n catch on fire ......it's like it took over her n she was overflowing n it had no where to go but OUT ...she just exploded like a nuclear bomb !
Her victims were consumed by the FALLOUT ...some at ground ZERO ..some farther away from the blast ...some disintegrated ..some left to suffer in the waste of it all .
I was raised in an environment of trauma. It’s taking me a lifetime to deal with my aftermath. It is never truly cured. We just learn how to live with the side effects and scars.
I feel for this woman. So sad and cruel for everyone involved.
I feel for you.
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
Same here… 20 years later and they are all still there. The potency of there effects do decrease but they are NEVER gone.
@@cjkitty2360 no one excused anything, she just said she “feels for this woman”. We can feel empathy for someone without excusing or denying responsibility for said actions.
yes time helps
What Heartbreaking and tragic story. She was treated like trash.. pretty much her whole life. How do you think anybody would turn out? She had great reasons to hate men. Not saying that excuses the killings.. her support system had the strength of a wet paper towel. In the end, I think she just wanted to exit this world. Most would view her as a monster, but she didn't choose that.. she was made into one.
No one chooses to be a monster. Especially "personnal" serial killer.
She had reasons to hate men? No, she had reasons to hate specific people. Hating men is an illogical extrapolation that you shouldn’t justify. Nobody chooses what they are. If she is excused, so are her rapists. If they are guilty and deserving of punishment, so is she.
@@seanmatthewking no, because killing your rapist and raping someone or not the same thing. The rapist is targeting the innocent. And you know damn well she did not mean literally all men. And even if that happened what she meant, it’s the fault of those men who keep insisting to women that that’s just male nature, every man is like that, blah blah blah. Then you get mad at women when we don’t know that that isn’t true
Do you think some people have great reasons to hate white people?
Aileen had one of the most horrific Childhoods and Adolescents I have heard of. It dosent surprise me at all she became what she became. Really, her whole life is just Tragic. For Myself, it's hard to talk about her without getting emotional...
You did an Excellent Job of breaking it down scientifically. As Always, Job Well Done, Dr. Grande.
there have been worse, sadly.
"Whatever is done to the child, they will take out on sociery".
I heard this as a kid, and wondered what I'd end up doing, as my 'childhood ' was a living nightmare. I somehow still kept my empathy, and always took out my negative feelings on myself, as I just couldn't imagine hurting someone se, as I knew how much it hurt when it happened to me.
I'm 45 now, and am still basically in the gutter, living in hostels which are run on fear, intimidation and abuse. But I still won't give up, i will not break. I don't know any other way to live. Ptsd, bpd, night terrors, and mental illness are truly horrible.
❤️god bless you
I’m 58 years old and still struggle due to the trauma I endured when I was a child. Mother was a narcissist and my father was a violent alcoholic who beat her regularly. I’ve had no contact with my family for 25 years but I’m still awfully messed up. I haven’t been in a relationship for 16 years because I can’t deal with them. 6 weeks ago I had a major mental breakdown and had to double my meds and go back to therapy yet again. I have had to accept that I will never be ok and that breaks my heart 💔
Therapy may help...I'm looking for one
you're not alone...dbt cbd edibles and meds help and avoid street drugs...life gets manageable...child abuse is a tragedy
@@babayaga489 I'm the same way...i avoid relationships but there are still activity feriends adventures & other things...make the most out of life, go to Nami, Meetups, and don't isolate. Start hanging out in supermarkets sit down...and that will improve mental health...we are social creatures...hinduism heleps..attachmenet is suffering...never give up my dear on happiness..self love I finally understand comes from doing your best...tony robbins...inspirational literature
She was failed. She did not receive her basic human needs from the start.
@wulfgar3000 each of us deserve to have our basic human needs met.
I notice nobody ever says that about Manson, who was abused just as much, if not worse, having been pimped by his mom. It seems like a double standard and that murder to her victims gets downplayed.
@@NoReligion77 Manson, too did not, have his basic needs met.
@@resilientangel5915 they were failed but ultimately they were both chaotic evil 5th level serial killers and not sympathetic later in life.
@@NoReligion77 Empathy is learned. How can that happen when a person has never experienced it ?
Thank you for being both objective and empathetic regarding Aileen. C-PTSD, NPD and Psychopathy (Factors 1 & 2) would be my guess regarding her diagnosis. One wonders how different her life might have been if someone had stepped in when she was a teenager and she had had a support network. I'm also left wondering why the details about her traumatic upbringing were suppressed by the courts. It's a sad case for her victims and for Aileen.
Kybele Kordax yeah she was so scary but underneath is a person ofc.
I strongly agree about Borderline as she had a lot of abandonment where she was never shown unconditional love. It was conditional on what she did so in turn she did not attach or bond like normal unfortunately. The betrayal of a caregiver as a child really damages this dynamic and provides an arena for lack of empathy as well.
@@sarahendrix3132 Exactly. Unfortunately, whenever Aileen did have someone profess to "love" her, the individual invariably used her longing for intimacy and acceptance to abuse and use her. So, Aileen grew up associating love with pain and betrayal. It's tragic that no one stepped in when she was younger, but people just ignored her plight and her own biological mother abandoned her and her brother, her other relatives physically and sexually abused her - it's possible the first pregnancy she had was due to one of those relatives assaulting her - and I'm not surprised she had C-PTSD (a very understandable response to prolonged abuse and trauma) if not also BPD. The way her once-time lesbian lover, Tyria Moore, who was with her for 4 years - quite a long time for Aileen, only ending when the woman decided to make a plea deal with LE, giving her complete immunity fro any and all prosecution/criminal charges - betrayed Aileen is heartrending and upsetting. The one woman she'd trusted and done her all to financially support, had turned on her in order to apparently avoid any charges of being an accessory to murder and so forth. Aileen had considered Moore to be her wife in all but name, and did everything to provide for her. And after pointing at her in court, she never once looked at the woman, Aileen, who had literally put her life on the line to give this woman a lifestyle shed never have had otherwise. Yet this woman knew exactly what Aileen was doing to get the funds to keep her in 'high style' and she was quite content to sit back and leave all the risks to Aileen - the risk of STDs, the risk of being raped, assaulted, robbed and abused, as is common for anyone working the streets, highways etc. the way Aileen was. The way the ex-lover claimed she knew nothing about the murders was complete lies but LE were so focused on getting Aileen behind bars with the death penalty that they didn't care how unjust the so-called 'justice system' worked in this case. Moore definitely knew about the 1989 murder of Richard Mallory, the man Aileen alleged had raped her. These days this woman, Tyria Moore, lives with a new wife in Pennsylvania. It's a sickening betrayal by Tyria and the way she ruthlessly went about the deal with LE then moved onto another woman shows she's a cold, remorseless individual who, I think, was happy to use Aileen as long as she could. It's just a very sad history of betrayals which Aileen endured throughout her entire life from the time she was a toddler and by those supposed to care for her, and one thinks - if only....
I believe her upbringing was suppressed by the courts because she was made an example to others because she was female.
Opposite how many would of been who did have someone step in somewhere.
There was something that was overlooked by you. Aileen was homeless as a teen in the winter and spent nights in a make shift fort at the end of the street where she had lived with grandfather. When the temperatures became unbearable she then headed south.
This is a big area of her life to not take into consideration. I sincerely believe Aileen had no chances to become a productive member of society.
That's horribly depressing. Using her old childhood fort to fight very real dangers no teen should have to fear.
@@ToyotaGuy1971 I don't understand your comment. At least I hope I don't. Who are "these people"?
Gay people before prison? She fits in all of these: People who are molested.. Beginning of her life. Raped.. Various stages at least once mid life.. or people who suffer delusions.. End of her life she thought people were poisoning her food. Which group of people? I really hope your not saying gay people are maladjusted!
@@ToyotaGuy1971 There's just no room for people who are filled with that much hate and fear. She didn't murder people because she was gay. Man, maybe you need to stick around. Get as much mental health as you can. That was not this doctors point at all!!
@@ToyotaGuy1971 you are very misguided and hateful. I hope you dont consider yourself a Christian! I suspect you are probably gay yourself and dont have the courage to come out. This has made you bitter.
She was doomed 😳🙁
I appreciate your perspective on Aileen Wuornos. While I agree that she was responsible for her actions, I also understand how her entire life prepared her for it. In my opinion, she never had a chance to do things differently. She never experienced anything that would show her she could. Tragic life. Thank you for sharing your compassionate, rational perspective.
While I also agree with his perspective and his analysis, I just wish he could be more descriptive when she got in trouble with the law and not say things like ( she got in trouble with the law this time it was... ) I wish he would describe what was going on to make the law go after her, I think that is more telling in it self
Smartly said .
I felt that on my heart too.
So , difficult life was that she has🙂
many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.
@@Opticlogic, you extra he explained those things.
@@debodatta7398 I agree with you.
Everyone failed that poor woman 😔
That was my takeaway too.
Ya, it was so unfair 😢
It made me quite sad both when I watched documentaries about her and, of course, the film "Monster" despite the way it's been criticised for allegedly creating strong mitigating circumstances for her murders of the seven men. The fact her traumatic past was suppressed during court proceedings yet other details of her violence and other criminal history were deliberately introduced makes me think that the legal system was determined to ensure she received the death penalty and was regarded purely as a psychopathic serial killer lacking remorse, morals, and a 'base criminal'.
When one considers the extreme physical, sexual and emotional abuse she endured from her earliest years, one has to recognise that this created serious issues for her as she grew older. We know from many studies, such as those in the 1950s with young orphans and also monkeys, that when children are deprived of physically nurturing contact that children grow up with depressed immune systems, higher cortisol or stress levels, long-lasting cognitive delay, and increased aggression plus low impulse-control. And we see these in Aileen as she grew older, as well as what I think was a severe case of C-PTSD. NPD, as Dr. Grande mentions, is also likely a factor for her due to the way she was treated by her family members. Her case is one that could and should have been prevented and there's the sense that if others had intervened when she was young, and she had a support network, that things would've turned out quite differently for her. As it stands, her case is a heartbreaking one.
Everyone failed those 7 men u mean.
How come we NEVER have this sympathy for male killers with the same background?
Dr Grande, as a licensed clinician myself, I so appreciate how you reflect and is mindful of your comments of this case. You always uphold your ethical duty as a clinician. Speculating is always the right word to say especially if you have not met the person you are narrating. As a solution-focused therapist, I say “do more” of these videos. Very informative.😊
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
Aileen reflected back the total lack of empathy that she saw since her childhood in her community. She mirrored what she saw and experienced from childhood to adolescent years. No one helped her. No one cared, no one had empathy for her even when she was a helpless child. Her story tells the story of an American community.
We can view every criminal like this and most people. She's still a horrible person for murdering all those men. Do you think her abusers weren't abused? Where does the buck end, and we as adults take responsibility?
This!!
@@MmmKayHuuNay -- She was not born a horrible infant. Her horrible actions as an adult reflect a horrible society made up of horrible adults who still refuse to take responsibility. It's just so much easier to call toddlers evil when they won't do what they're told because they instinctively see through our superficial pretenses.
Where does the buck end? It ends with us, with You! And don't worry, you don't have to be perfect or better than your neighbor, you don't even have to pretend. All you have to do is not be horrible!
:-)
Yup. We're used to hearing these types of stories in Russia or third world countries, not in the US.
@@jackdavidsen6074 I think the harsh sentence she received, despite extenuating circumstances, shows the misogyny that is still lingering in our society.
When I think of Aileen's case I can't help but think of another case, the documentary Child of Rage. That little girl was severely abused in infancy by her father and developed reactive attachment disorder. She was adopted into a loving family, along with her brother. She displayed aggressive behavior (killing baby birds, sexually molesting her brother, stabbimg the family dog). The doc shows imterviews with the girl (I think she was about five or six in the interviews) and the way she discribes the things she did were very chilling. She did get help and today she is a nurse who runs a program for children who have reactive attachment disorder. it just makes me wonder what would have become of that girl had she not had an intervention at that critical time in her life. Would Aileen also have gone a different path had she had someone who loved her and got her help.
I think it shows the importance of getting help when you're younger. By the time I Alene was arrested for this she was damaged beyond repair. I feel sorry for the child she was but the adult she became was scary and unfortunately I think beyond repair.
Yes, Beth Thomas.
I've seen 'Child of rage'..It was one of the saddest things I've ever seen,this pretty little girl with big blue eyes,recounting the violent and grisly thoughts and actions that she wanted to,and did perpetrate,it was quite chilling,thankfully her adoptive parents were loving and caring individuals,who managed to get her the help she so badly needed,my heart ached for her,after she received intensive therapy,she became upset with remorse when recounting the death of the baby birds,and hurting her little brother,that's when I knew she had a chance of happiness,of being able to give as well as receive love,it was a very emotional education.
@@jenniferpower981 the important thing is Beth is doing well now.
@@MsChappy77 It warms my heart to hear that..It's what I had hoped for her,to find some happiness and peace of mind,to be surrounded by people who loved her.❤
Her life was so bad that she didn't care about whether she lived or died. She didn't have a chance. Sometimes I wish she could have been put in a sanitarium for the criminally insane. I do feel sadness for her terrible life. Thank-you Dr Grande for giving a sympathetic view of her life.😔❤️🇨🇦
You did a great job with this difficult topic.
Most people with adverse childhood experiences never had a level paying field, in regards to becoming a mentally healthy and emotionally healthy adult.
True.
However, it is possible to escape one's destiny, and end the generational cycle of abuse.
Agree!!!
This woman never had a chance. Tragic.
Her abuse was pretty extensive, consistent and brutal. Mixed with abandonment and poverty. I dont think the average Joe and Jane have these kind of backgrounds. Carl Panzram is another good example, whom Dr. Grande has also covered.
Dr Grande does a wonderful job of humanising people that many other crime channels treat as just evil, soulless monsters. I really appreciate it
One of the most heartbreaking stories I heard about Aileen was with the desire to have friends she saved her money to throw a party and invited all her peers. They came to the party then threw her out of the party and she sat in the backyard at her own party. I don’t think she ever had a chance in life.
Jessica Stern, where did you read that story about Aileen getting kicked out of her own party? I can't imagine what that would feel like.
Remember that Aileen was a fabulator, making up stories one after another, that would often contradict each other 180 degrees. Absolutely nothing she said can be taken at face value, unfortunately.
I never heard that! So sad!
Yeah. She made up alot of stories. Idk if this happened or not..
Veracity is questionable
I have fallen asleep so many times while watching Dr. Grande’s videos in bed and that’s a compliment - the sound of his voice is strangely soothing so off to sleepy times I go whether I’m tired or not!
I agree. He has the most calming and soothing voice.
I'm not the only one so!
Same here!
Ikr? Lol!
Me too!!! My husband thinks I'm nuts because of the topic, but the context and analysis is really the story.
Thank you for having some empathy for her. Mostly one just hears harsh judgement. She did do terrible things, but it seems like she never had a chance in any aspect. of her life. One of the saddest cases ever.
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
so in high school, she HAD to give BJs for cigarettes? Please explain...I'm listening....
Humans can't conjure positive traits such as empathy out of nothing. They have to experience it first, in order to give it to others. Thank you so much for educating sleepless people in Europe with your videos, Dr. Grande. The "L." in your name stands for "lovely", right?
Well said! I like to think that "L" is for learning, my goodness do I learn plenty from the Doctor.💯🤔
I've always liked psychology even when I was like 9y/o, I would get books from the library about Sigmund Freud & magazines like Psychology today.🤔
Yeah, I'm kind of Geeky.🙂
And I really do have empathy for Aileen, just think growing-up everywhere you turn, you always see the worst part of life.😑💔😢
I agree, how can she give what she has never felt, seen, experienced? It's stupid for normal people who had the privilege of being born into good families to understand someone who was raised like a feral child and abused? She didn't even care when they executed her, she was ready to go...had enough.
@@Fefe559 Stupid, smug and incredibly presumptuous. Glad that there is a voice of reason in this comment section, thanks.
Excellent video. The path from abused to abuser is made very clear. Adequate love and care in childhood are so important.
My heart is so warmed by all of the understanding and kind responses to Aileen. So nice to see such empathy from such a large number of people about a poor misunderstood and abused individual. And than you Dr. Grande for giving us the place to understand and discuss her. Such a tragedy. RIP Aileen.
Yea I've never felt sympathy for a serial killer until her. All she knew was pain and that's all she could give. Her mother was clearly damaged. Probably by her father. I don't understand anything anymore. Everything is just so sad.
@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263Do you feel bad for male serial killers that were abused and abandoned?
What happened to her, as a child, is deplorable. Overwhelming abuse in every way. 😭
Sad yes, but most rape victims don’t do evil shit like she did, especially killing 7 innocent men.
What happened to her 7 victims is more deplorable
AW was brutalized and kicked down many times and that changes you. I really feel for her. I think her life could have been so different. Thanks for talking about this interesting woman Dr Grande.
Yet if this was a male doing the same crimes there would be no such sympathy.
@@PeterGregoryKelly if that is me you're talking about then you are simply making an assumption.
Thank you for making this video regarding Aileen. I have been fascinated by this case. I personally think she was made into a “monster” & I felt empathy towards her. Aileen’s adoptive “mom” & lawyer seemed like shady characters to me as well.
This was a well done video done with compassion. I also come away smarter upon watching your videos.
Her lawyer and adopted mother were the most horrible cretins on earth and Aileen probably wouldn't have received death if it weren't for them.
Everyone is made a monster.
This woman's story is a tragedy from beginning to end. 😕
I have always felt deeply sorry for Aileen. Your insights are compassionate and at the same time professional. Hopefully Aileen will have found peace in the other world. She had a rough passage in this one.
I have always felt extremely sorry for Aileen. Of course there is no excuse for her actions, but at the same time there is a part of me that can understand why she did what she did. Frankly, I think that she finally just snapped. She was abandoned and failed by everyone in her life, including society in general. I saw a clip a while back from her trial where her girlfriend is testifying against her. You can clearly see on Aileens face how her heart is completely shattered as she realizes that she has been abandoned yet again by someone she loved and who she thought loved her back. That clip is absolutely heartbreaking to watch and I felt so sad for her. I think she lived an incredibly lonely and tough life and that all she wanted was that one person who really loved and cared about her - like we all do - but she never managed to find it. Again; it is in no way an excuse for what she did, but yeah, I really do feel for her. She deserved so much better than what she was handed in life.
No one ever liked her though. She was an inherently bad person.
@@justinstrong9595 or people are just judgmental c*nts. Most people can’t think for themselves. They just follow the crowd. So, especially in school of most people don’t like someone for whatever reason, usually ridiculous, others won’t. You didn’t know her. She obviously was going through things and no one seems to have taken the time to understand that.
That's the dilemma about Aileen Wuornos...,sure, at 1st you can take her as an abused child..., but make no mistake, she was diagnosed as a psychopathic killer who lured, murdered, & robbed her victims. Society must believe that it is fair & just to help those who have suffered dysfunctionality in their lives.
@@justinstrong9595 was her grandfather beating her daily as a child bdsm style with a belt then making her clean it because she was a ‘bad person’? Get real
There may have been people somewhere along the way that wanted to love her and care for her, but at some point she became unlovable. She developed a very hard shell through no fault of her own. Her whole life was a long string of tragic horrible events.
Ted Bundy was also raised under the belief that his grandparents were his parents.
I think the deep sense of betrayal that must follow finding out that you've been lied to all your life must add to the destabilisation of personality in these cases.
@@sopyleecrypt6899
yathink! Of course it does.
butch monster ~> So was the actor Jack Nicholson ;~)
“Here’s Johnny!”
~as ad-libbed by Mr. Nicholson, during a seminal horror-scene,
in Kubrick’s “The Shining”.
PoM MoM is there a need for an aggressive answer?
@@sopyleecrypt6899 my bad I was just agreeing with you
Imagine being pregnant as a teen by your grandfather’s buddy. This woman was betrayed and abandoned or abused by every adult she deserved to be able to rely on, since birth. She was impulsive and angry and violent, but my heart still goes out to her. No child or teen should go through this. No childhood. All I feel for her is compassion. Like a wild animal trying to survive.
Science-based. What a breath of fresh air
She literally never had a chance. Look at her reality. There's some horrific people in this world.
I notice nobody ever says that about Manson, who was abused just as much. Wouldn't she count as horrific if she murdered 7 people?
I think she had a chance, but that chance was slim.
Horrific like her.
@@NoReligion77 The cognitive dissonance in these people is mind boggling.
this is the reality for the majority of them, it's like they were always going to turn out the way they did. fucking sad
My daughter in law and her brother were abandoned by their mother when they were quite young. They stayed with different relatives until she was old enough to get guardianship of her brother and go to work to support them. I have so much admiration for her that I can never give her enough love. She sacrificed for her brother and has worked so hard to overcome what her mother did to them. She’s the sweetest and kindest person I have ever met.
Yes, but clearly didn’t have it as bad as Aileen 😢😢😢😢
This is such a sad story. I can't imagine growing up in this horrible situation. She never had a chance in life. Thank you for your insightful analyses, Dr. They are so informative.
many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.
I think this is an example, an extreme one, of the overlap between criminal behaviors and mental health issues. Societal biases based on race, gender, ethnicity, socio-economics, etc. may often overlook how trauma and disposition contribute to the profound emotional, cognitive, and interpersonal deficits linked with such criminal atrocities. The bio-psycho-social effects of trauma scream loudly for a long time without being heard. I wonder how often this goes on at lesser degrees, yet contributes to similar issues. Thanks. That must have been tough subject matter.
Wendy Mcreynollds acknowledgments of the profound impact of trauma quite often would come with taking a good long and hard look in the mirror and how quite often people are made to be that way!
We ask these questions of female offenders but it is considered insensitive to the family of the victim to ask such question of male offenders. Interesting.
Peter Keller, its a fact that both male and female serial killers suffered abuse. It makes you think.
Much of her symptoms seem to have been a Survival Mechanism as well. She had a LOT against her, during her entire lifespan. Survival sex at age 11 for food? Whoa.
@@echase4790If Aileen was a man would you feel the same way?
I really appreciate the humanity you conveyed in this story. It’s incredibly sad to me that there was no other means to hold her accountable, under the horrific circumstances she was raised.
I feel so much sadness for Aileen. She really was given only two choices, implode or explode. 💔
She tried to implode first...she deliberately shot herself in the stomach in an unsuccessful suicide bid. It's such a horrific life story.
GREAT comment
Society doesn’t like anger in women. Even in the face of mass of maltreatment. I think this is part of why she got the death penalty.
@JRR smokin what did a dear dad do with a prostitute, why wasn't he with his kids
@@echase416 society is more understanding when it comes to anger in women than men.
Evidence: read the comments
Thank you for saying that the abuse/ trauma she suffered as a child was among the worst you had heard of..I was about to say the same. Omg that poor child! PTSD makes sense.
I am thankful you brought up her past to possibly explain her behaviour in adulthood, many people look at the crime but fail to care about what happened before that. Enjoying your videos, subscribed.
Dr Grande, you have discussed Aileen, in the fairest manner, I've seen to date!! This case pricked my interest many years ago.. because I too, had a child at 15 years old. Although my situation was not perfect, it was vastly different to Aileens!
Watching video of Aileen, & 'feeling' her story whilst looking into her eyes... I've always believed.. had she had someone in her corner, truly in her corner! Her life wouldve likely been much different, still an uphill climb... but *much* different!
I felt I could see the wall she had up against people & society itself, the hit or be hit, which obviously became, kill or be killed, in her mind!
Such a very tragic situation!!
Still, her story became a tragic situation for 7 men!! 7 other families!!
Although my heart breaks for Aileens story,, & as you pointed out.. mapping out her story & the events that unfolded.. one can easily fathom, how she got there.. & how she was likely able to justify her actions to herself!
This all may be her reasoning behind murder.. imo, it can never be an excuse. Because there's never a tangible excuse to wipe another person off the face of the earth, other than self defense!!
Imo, going by articles & footage etc, Aileen was seriously exploited after these events, just as she had been as a child. Even as a death row prisoner, I find this utterly disgraceful!!! Although I too watched such footage, I actually felt bad, doing so!!! She truly *still* needed an advocate, to see her through till the end!!!
May her victims R.I.P & I hope their families hearts have found some healing!!
Thank you Dr Grande, for a fair & just presentation on Aileen.
Oops.. almost wrote a book on this one... sorry for being a page hog (lol) ✌🏻
@@serendipitous_synchronicity No worries. I do it all the time to be understood. You were understood. 👍
@@BeingLifted
Thank you.
Made that one, a tad personal.. a name change, helped.
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@@serendipitous_synchronicity I know that feeling about the name. There was a time I trusted people unless or until I found out I couldn't. I thought it was a wise way to live because we all have so much to learn from each other. A nice theory; unwise in practice. Thank you for sharing. Truly glad you're okay. Hugs and blessings sent.
@@BeingLifted
Thank you, for sharing that Jane! You are so very right! Self preservation, is key.. well at least that's what I am aiming for now.
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Honestly I feel nothing but heartache and sympathy for her..
Sex work can completely distort your view of males in their entirety.
Add the situations she was put in, in addition her history.. finally her survival/fighter spirit.. I don't see how things would have turned out differently.
RIP. 🖤
Disagree. Sex work clarifies your view of males. You realize what they really are, at least on the whole. Women who know what men are - like Eileen Wuornos- have to be painted as “insane“
@@PhoenicianPrincess88 you’re agreeing with a woman who murdered 7 people. Seek help
@@chazstones7424 I didn’t agree with the murders. Don’t read into what I said.
I cannot imagine how it would feel for a young girl to be abused, neglected and taken advantage of, ALL your life. Most little girls, rich or poor are busy playing with dolls, dreaming of singing and dancing, playing dress ups with friends. She deserved better. I hold her responsible for her actions, but more over I hold her mother, father and Grandparents even more responsible, they may not have pulled the trigger but they loaded the gun. God bless her in heaven, may she be at some peace now. I also pray for the innocent parties that were harmed, may they also have comfort and peace. Thank you Dr Grande for your perspective.
Well, LOTS of little girls have no interest in playing with dolls, dreaming of singing and dancing (seriously? you think most girls "dream" about this? LOL), or playing dress up. Some like science or active outdoor play. I was a tomboy & I NEVER played dress up with friends! But the point is not what she might have done as a child; it was that she never HAD a childhood. There never seemed to be a time when she could feel secure and safe to play at all! That's why you & I & many others think that she didn't stand a chance at a happy life. I wish people would be responsible and not have children if they are not going to provide the emotional & material support children need to become healthy adults. So many people just have children by default. I like the way you said it: They may not have pulled the trigger, but they loaded the gun. I thank God I did not have to live her life. She'll get no condemnation from me.
Seriously, no I don't think all girls dream of that. However, they should have the opportunity to dream whatever they want.
It seems like this poor woman stood no chance , I guess that doesn't mean she would necessarily kill multiple times, but being subjected to so much violence, it's not wholly surprising .
I know that she committed heinous crimes, but my heart really goes out to her. I wish she could have had a loving and supportive childhood experience. But then, there are some who DO have loving and supportive childhoods and they end up doing heinous things, too. I think her particular story just affects my heart. Thank you for this.
@@goofybutserious4807 sympathy does not mean one excuses the crimes someone committed. I could not and would not condone any of her actions; that could have be one of my family members she killed. I'd take her out myself if the court didn't. However, given how often women are sexually abused, it shouldn't come as a surprise that her case is upsetting to those who have been sexually abused. It's a tragedy all around, not just for the victims. Most every killer was a scared little boy or girl at one point, and when we find people that have went through similar trauma at a young age, it is jolting. I'd love to take out my abuser, but his crimes do not apply to the rest of men. That's what makes this case frightening, she overstepped the line from revenge to savage. It's a line that mental unwellness can blur.
Frankly, if she was a man, I'd still feel bad for her. It's not that she's a woman, it's the trauma she endured. This case is just shitty for everyone involved. She still deserved a death sentence, though.
I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.
thank you for treating this case with thought and compassion.
Thanks again, Dr. Grande. I always know where to find well-researched, compassionate, thought-provoking entertainment.
"Entertainment"????
Really??!!!!!
OUCH!!!!!
If following along with this kind of thing is 'entertainment' for you, perhaps a few sessions on the couch would be your ultimate trill!
And it might not be a bad idea, all in all.
I always felt sorry for her, with her horrible upbringing how could she not turn out like that.
I notice nobody ever says that about Manson, who was abused just as much, if not worse, having been pimped by his mom. It seems like a double standard and that murder to her victims gets downplayed.
@@NoReligion77 I never heard that
I never heard that about Manson.
Great job as usual, doc. This case is certainly a rather unique and difficult one to tackle, and you handled it with eloquence and smoothness as is typical with your videos. I've become a big fan, and am looking forward to more.👍👍
What a heartbreaking story! It would be interesting to see how her child that was adopted is doing?
I doubt he knows that he is aileens son
Hopefully nobody ever tells that child who his birth mother is. That information would screw u up.
The child was a result of a rape Aileen suffered at only 13 years old.
She never stood a chance in life really the odds were stacked against a stable life bcos of her back round but not everyone with an abusive childhood acts out like Eileen did, such a sad case I did feel compassion for her though to me she was obviously a poorly woman. I and others thought the name of the film monster was cruel considering what she had been through...and the death sentence ...just sad all round
I literall wrote practically the same thing.
@Kyle Whitehead , I didn't see the movie, but hello? She was the victim for many years ....and when she was an adult , all that abuse was unleashed on others. It would be a miracle for her to turn out any other way. We all pay the price when children are abused.
So sad a life to live. Thanks for explaining these things about her.
Her life story was so tragic.
True.😢
I also have sympathy for the victims.🌹😞
A perfect storm. Thank you Dr. Grande for another informative vid.
I really wonder how many Aileens are out there right now.
Hundreds of thousands, but most don't kill.
@@informitas0117 exactly
I dont blame her.
Who really knows her pain?
We know what she did but how did she get there?
If you have not thought about killing someone you have not lived.
We are in denial about what we really do to eachother.
If this story belonged to a dog people would undetstand if it started biting people.
I absolutely agree. No one but Aileen lived through the horrific Childhood and Adolescence she did. I'm not surprised at all she became what she became.
And Yes! People are in total denial that under the Right circumstances, Humans are Capable of Anything!
your comment reminds me of The Crunch - Poem by Charles Bukowski
too much too little
too fat
too thin
or nobody.
laughter or
tears
haters
lovers
strangers with faces like
the backs of
thumb tacks
armies running through
streets of blood
waving winebottles
bayoneting and fucking
virgins.
an old guy in a cheap room
with a photograph of M. Monroe.
there is a loneliness in this world so great
that you can see it in the slow movement of
the hands of a clock
people so tired
mutilated
either by love or no love.
people just are not good to each other
one on one.
the rich are not good to the rich
the poor are not good to the poor.
we are afraid.
our educational system tells us
that we can all be
big-ass winners
it hasn't told us
about the gutters
or the suicides.
or the terror of one person
aching in one place
alone
untouched
unspoken to
watering a plant.
people are not good to each other.
people are not good to each other.
people are not good to each other.
I suppose they never will be.
I don't ask them to be.
but sometimes I think about
it.
the beads will swing
the clouds will cloud
and the killer will behead the child
like taking a bite out of an ice cream cone.
too much
too little
too fat
too thin
or nobody
more haters than lovers.
people are not good to each other.
perhaps if they were
our deaths would not be so sad.
meanwhile I look at young girls
stems
flowers of chance.
there must be a way.
surely there must be a way that we have not yet
though of.
who put this brain inside of me?
it cries
it demands
it says that there is a chance.
it will not say
"no."
Charles Bukowski
You have to blame her, she chose to kill innocent people. That's never the right thing to do.
Dogs can't understand like people can. And even a dog won't bite unless it feels threatened.
I think we can blame her in the same we would blame a male offender from an abusive background who becomes a serial killer. Indeed, anyone who mentions exonerating circumstances in the case of male serial killers people who look for exonerating circumstances are called out as being "insensitive to the families of the victims". I happen to be old fashion enough to believe in equality of all before the law.
@@PeterGregoryKelly I feel terrible for anyone who went through severe abuse. I think there's a lot of abuse around too. But regardless of the cause, we can't allow killers to run loose. We have to protect ourselves. I don't know the answers. It'd be nice to give them a compassionate place to live and maybe they could be happy, but for a million reasons, that's a fantasy.
Thank you for making the video, Dr. Grande!! It makes us learnt more about the importance of proper childhood parenting. It took me a long while to think about this case. In my opinion, we have to be there as a community knowing something wrong going on. In Aileen's case, there had to be somebody to report the incident of the children being beaten excessively by the grandpa. And put in a shelter under a church counseling. if it had been handled on the early onset, she might have been saved from lots of further twisted situations. Again, thank you for sharing your insights, Dr. Grande!! I think, you're right in every point. God bless🙏🤞
Omg, same birthday as Rodriguez. I really appreciate the clinical, scientific side to these cases. Thank you for your content!
Thanks for ll you do for the community Dr. Grande......you're awesome!!!!!
Amazing analysis, Dr. Grande. You covered all bases with intellect and compassion and explained how she most likely reached such a diabolical state. If someone makes another movie about her, a fair and balanced one, it should be based on your analysis. Her life from the day she was born sounds like sheer hell.
If you haven't already, I recommend the movie Monster (2003), brutally raw film that depicted Wuornos' life well.
Nick Broomfields documentaries were amazing. Plus you get to see and hear the real Aileen Wuornos.
I have seen the film and documentaries about her. One documentary seemed to be having the film makers use her rather than genuinely want to speak with her and research her life, which was sad to see. What one does wonder is how much more differently things may have turned out is someone had stepped in when she was young and she'd had a support system. Instead, everyone turned their backs to her and she grew up unable to trust, to feel able to let her guard down, and full of - understandable - rage and bitterness. To finally be betrayed as the lover did to her was quite awful. It was really the cruelest thing that anyone could have done after about 4-5 years together, the only 'real' relationship she had known. She had funded that woman's drug habit and been earning money for her, primarily, rather than just herself, and then the woman made a deal with LE and prosecutors that completely threw Aileen under the bus. On top of that, critical information about her entire life being full of extremely traumatic abuse was suppressed whilst her criminal history was made admissible and it seems, from that, that this was done to ensure she was viewed as a predatory psychopath with no remorse and no rel reason to murder except psychopathy and material gain, and to ensure she received the death penalty. I believe she should've received prison sentences rather than death.
It's a good movie but remember it is Hollywood's version...
BASED on fact.... NOT actually factual. They make the men seem almost like victims except let's remember that THE MEN went shopping for the hooker in the first place. Should we call it Karma? If they hadn't shopped for cheap 🙀 that day they might still be alive. Ohwell.
Thx
@Ambiguous Nut Case you wrote exactly what I wrote just in different words.
Would love a video on differences between male and female psychopaths/those with aspd
I am grateful for your ability and will to include levels of understanding that I rarely come across. Thank you, and best wishes.
P.S. I took a look at the comments, and to my surprise, I found that they pretty much all show understanding and caring. Thank you, everybody. May your lives and the lives of your loved ones be happy and loving throughout.
I love that word "schema." Thank you for this information. Your videos really help bring a balance to my world.
Hi Todd Grande.l've never heard of this lady...hearing your analysis on this victim,from a young age to early adulthood she was abused,and never had any help from the school,social services ??? A failure from the system...having to cope with so much truma most have provoked her to gain control of her life,these issues could have been provented if she got the right help...it's a shame for a victim gone through so much gets the death sentence... Thanks for a great video
Asha Rani Check out the excellent documentary made by Nick Broomfield.
Doc. You are a great story teller. I could listen to you over and over.
Interesting video, I saw the movie and I always thought there was more going on. You're so compassionate you speak to fax with no judgement thank you for the video
Love how informative your videos are. You go above and beyond with the explanation of each mental illness in the descriptions as well. Thankful for you Dr. Grande! Happy 2021 :)
I lived in Ocala, Florida when this was happening. Thank you for putting so much perspective into this.
Very erudite and objective analysis Dr Grande. I really enjoy your videos. Please keep up the great work....Thank you!
I saw you posted this and i had to read the case. Then I remembered i saw a movie about it. I feel so sad for this woman. She definitely needed help and to be in prison but she never in her life had true love nor a chance. I believe her.
Every time I hear about a case like this, I think, "please don't have Borderline, please don't have Borderline..." It's sort of scary to have the same thing as someone incredibly violent. But it also helps me realize that as much as I struggle with black and white thinking, fear of abandonment, impulsivity, volatile relationships, etc., that I have some decent skills and I could be doing WAY worse.
I know, right? I'm more of a sad, constantly crying, passive BPD sufferer but I can go off and shout at people. I know that I would never attack and hurt people though, whatever people think borderline doesn't automatically make you bad or unloving person.
You are amazing. You may have watered the wrong seed in your garden but you are pulling up the weeds and looking forward to the blooms of summer. Stand in front of the mirror and 😊 smile.
This is for the writer above.
I have some friends that have BPD, and they are amazing ppl, tho they struggle. Not all of BPD folks are like this. And. Honestly, it has more to do with what trails are expressed and what other co-occurring disorders are going on too.
I feel for you! It must be difficult! I am codependant and lovve addict had a relationship with Borderline guy. So traumatizing... now not into relationships at all.. Im healing and wanting to be stable and healthy
Dr. Grande, I do enjoy your analyses. I can say that all of your videos I have viewed have fascinated me. Your knowledge of the DSM is encyclopedic, and your ability to present the facts in an unbiased manner, after a great deal of research, is truly commendable.
I work as a mental health clinician as well, and have a request for you Todd. Since you have a big audience, I think it would be extremely helpful if you could provide a discussion of "what to look for" re kids in trouble (and) what to do once you see signs of problems (i.e. how to intervene). Thanks so much for considering. An ounce of prevention.
I wish more than 0.001% of doctors where as thorough as you are, awesome videos man!
Excellent analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande. As terrible as her actions were, the story of who she was and how she could not be redeemed in a country with so many resources is very sad, and perhaps should bother us where inpatient beds on child and adolescent psychiatric units had waiting lists pre COVID 19, speaking to a larger need for mental health support for kids. Kids.
They have so much life in front of them and they are depressed, anxious, suicidal in larger numbers. Early intervention is very important, yes, but our brain is much more able to make new connections into adulthood than neurology previously thought as I understand. I hope this is so, because there are rising numbers of people, and younger people, with more serious mental health crises than 5 years ago. I can’t quote the specific data - don’t recall the numbers - but they were stunning in a very negative sense. I guess hearing about this one female serial killer made me ponder what we are leaving other children today - right now- possibly going through similar horrors at home where they should be safe, and going on into a community & world that may not recognize the better chance they can give this kid by seeing the early behavior signs not just as ‘bad behavior’ but as a way to understand the kid, so to give them the chance at a better way via an evaluation by a licensed professional, some help at home if it looks like it’s abusive etc To avoid another victim becoming violent and creating more victims.
Thank you for the detailed & objective narrative of this bone chilling yet tragic case. Lessons to be learned....
she idealised a world where killing and robbing was a kind of survival strategy... she was so victimised and then death penalty? no... society is not allowed to do this to a person. another great analysis. thank you Dr Grande
Sadly that is the real world she lived in. She wasn’t delusional. She was punished for being a woman who tried to survive
Midway through your video, I felt a huge and warm wave of compassion for Aileen. I feel we’re one and hence we all failed Aileen. Thank you for giving justice to Aileen through showing us what was on the other side of the coin.
This was great, really well done and you obviously put in a great deal of effort, and have been the most empathetic I've seen you regarding serial killers. This case first made me start questioning society's role in criminality. There's no denying she was a killer, but if she'd EVER been shown love or appreciation in any form we may not be here. I don't agree with the death penalty, especially in this case. She was only ever used by society. Abandoned, abused since birth nearly, if we treat our children in horrendous ways why do we place total blame on that person when we do horrific things to them as a child? Then kill them when we can't accept or live with what has become of them. Like the below comments (nearly all women, interesting) I agree she never had a chance and she deserves our empathy. I think she bordered on insanity for a long time. No wonder she was grandiose and had many fantasy's, I see that as just a coping and defense mechanism. How else was she to keep living day after day without dreams to escape into. I often wonder why men express such surprise when an abused woman 'snaps' Women are built to endure....often we take abuse, even feel empathy for the abuser, in the hopes our love can fix them...and we take it and take it and we take it, yet......everyone has a breaking point, women are usually DRIVEN to kill. Aileen Wuornos endured more than most, more than anyone should ever have to. I'm not saying she would not have been 'difficult' if born into a loving and supportive family, but all these personality disorders...I'm interested to know are they there from birth, to be either 'triggered' or not depending on her formative years or were hers created by constant unrelenting sexual abuse, abandonment and treated with disgust. Not even the most basic of Maslow's needs were met; no safety, homeless in early teens due to a pregnancy that was in no way her fault, and shunned by society to boot. Yes, she evolved into a monster, but she was created by an uncaring, cold hard world then killed for it. May she be resting in some kind of peace at last. I don't think she had any, not a drop, while she was alive.
I agree that she should not have been given the death penalty. It's telling, though, that she didn't want to continue to appeal her case. I think she just wanted her psychological pain to end. So it seems more like an assisted suicide. She was abused and abandoned by family, but the justice system also failed her by not getting her the mental health care she needed during and after her previous incarceration.
I wonder to what extent the social costs of child abuse and neglect would be reduced if all children had decent parents?
Wouldn't it be great if for those children who did have to endure/survive abuse and neglect, false memories of a loving childhood could be implanted (like in Bladerunner) to restructure the damage caused by lack of love?
I wrote a script about this.You buy memories.You go to a dealer he gives you meaning purpose,a new schema.
But you need enough money.Only the ritch have enough for good memories or so the story goes.
You body remembers too.
I like the idea but, if I think about it too much, it's creepy. What other memories/thoughts might they implant?
@@starboy2013 As a freelance writer, I'm intrigued by your plot. I must say that I personally would worry about having other 'memories' implanted! I don't trust such organisations or corporations that can provide such advances readily. That's perhaps because of being an INTJ (on the MBTI) or maybe just something instinctual? Certainly, though, memories are what we consider to make up what and who we are. When someone has genuine memory loss, their previous life is non-existent and they don't recognise important people in their life and they don't know what they like or dislike from fragrances to sounds to books, films, music and so on. The study of memories and what people recall, including that of people diagnosed with DID, is a fascinating area. All the best for your script.
Would we be interested in such factors if the offender was male?
I have been learning so much from your videos. I truly appreciate your efforts .
On the other hand...I had a bad childhood and life and it came out as life long depression. I can't imagine killing anybody.
Can you PLEASE analyze the Brooke Skylar Richardson case? She is the one who was just on trial for concealing her pregnancy while in high school and giving birth to the baby alone. She says the baby was still born so buried it in her backyard.
Britanny B yeah I’m intrigued too. I believe she was a victim of her narcissistic mother. I believe her mother knew and controlled the whole situation. The girl was conditioned, desperately trying to win the approval and please this cold insatiable mother. If you watch the videos of the trial, it’s only her father that shows her any tactile love and support. The mother shows duping delight. She isn’t effected or distressed in the slightest, she’s enjoying the attention. She’s evil. The daughter is very disturbed and the father a cowardly flying agent for his headcase of a wife. The mother is jealous of the daughter and sees her as a possession and merely an extension of herself. It’s all about how they ‘appear’ to others. Chris Watts’ mother is the same. I watched her videos too. Chilling. She orchestrated the hatred to his wife and brainwashed her son. Very powerful puppeteers. Love Dr.Grande’s vids 👍
I believe her baby had stopped growing in utero and had died. The baby was born with a shriveled umbilical cord that was not attached to the placenta.
Brooke’s mother is definitely narcissistic and stressed how important looks and presentation were. Brooke was narcissistically abused. Most children of malignant narcissists develop Bpd.
@@vanessasouthern1792 we don’t even know the daughter was disturbed. She might’ve given birth to a stillborn baby and been afraid of her mothers abuse and backlash, so didn’t want to tell her. That’s perfectly reasonable