He had 45 minutes to think about what he was doing while driving a car with his two children and a dead wife inside. But he still killed his kids after that 45 minute drive. The man is totally insane.
Didn't he tried to kill the in the house as well? I read that he tried to suffocate them with their pillows and was upset when he realized that both kids were still alive.
Laura F I remember this too!!! He admitted it after being in prison for a while. It was his “real confession” even though I feel he’s holding back information.
Hold the phone, it gets worse. He had actually attempted to kill his daughters before killing his wife by suffocating them. Then he proceeded to kill his wife and after she was dead the girls walked in the room and asked him what was wrong with mommy. He said in his prison interview he was "surprised they were still alive". THEN he drove with them in the car and their dead mother was at their feet in the vehicle for 45 minutes. He technically killed his daughters twice!
I’m so saddened to see how many people, especially women (come on ladies 😔) have commented on this and place blame on Shannan! No matter what Shannan did or didn’t do as a wife and mother DOES NOT give Chris the right to take her life, her babies, and the two girls. Y’all should be ashamed.
People blame her! I have heard that as well. He could have just left. He resented her for whatever reason. He wanted the satisfaction of killing her because he blamed her for the situation.
I agree 100%. Doesn't give anybody the right to murder somebody. Divorce would definitely be the consequence of incompatibility, toxic communication, and so forth. Although expensive and the consequences there are significant too, that doesn't mean he should have done murder as an alternative.
People (I think women especially) victim blame because they’re subconsciously trying to assure themselves horrible things can’t happen to them. If Shannan was to blame because of her personality, or her direct sales job, or her media presence or whatever, then such tragedy could never happen to them because they aren’t like Shannan. It’s easier to tolerate than the idea they have no control over the situation.
agree, bad enough he murdered her but to wrongly accuse her of killing her own children...and that poor dogloved Shanaan and both girls and was traumatized and upset losing it's family, you can see how upset little dog was
It's interesting that evil can be so banal. It feels like he did it because it was the best solution he could think of and he was too dumb to consider the consequences. He's not sadistic, per se, he just didn't mind causing pain to achieve his goals. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, in a way, this guy is even more horrifying than the B.T.K.s of the world. For every Rader there's a dozen Watts with vacant, slack-jawed stares who are simply too dumb not to kill.
The thing I find the most horrific in this case was having the girls in the car while he buried their mother and then smothering one of the girls as the other one watched and then that daughter asking if he was going to do the same thing to her and when he took the blanket to smother her as well, she cried out, "No Daddy." That's just cold-blooded. It's almost like he had made up his mind and was just doing what he had decided to do and didn't see his children as human anymore. It's so sad.
@S Marie If only. You responded to someone's comment, but you don't validate his points. The girls were still alive when he drove 45 minutes to dump his dead wife body.
@@sammas2959 she just doesn’t know the case yet. I wish I was her and knew less about it honestly. This is one that haunts. I know too much about it. That jailhouse interview was rough. I have girls, and it’s just awful to think of what those little girls went through. So sad.
Most likely it was what he told the reporter, who interviewed him. Stick to the "they were taken/kidnapped" story. keep on saying whoever "had" them to please bring them back, how much he loved "those girls," missed them, etc. Play the grieving widower who "lost" his family and manipulate everyone into feeling sorry for him. Then make a new life with Nicole. IMO, that's what he fantasized would be the outcome; in his sick, twisted mind. He really thought he would get away with it, because he's smarter than the police and "everyone" knew what a "nice" guy he was.
Exactly this. If it was "rage" - why did the murders, particularly of the kids seem so calculated? If the it was "calculated" why was it so badly carried out that he ended up voluntarily confessing to the police within days?
@@sweetea7035 I couldn’t imagine doing this to a stranger’s kid or even that little brat that annoys and occasionally hurts my daughter at school. I certainly have urges to give a good talking to their racist grandfather who calls all white people “eggheads” and pretends he doesn’t speak any English.
I agree it was premeditated. He's just not smart. he buried his family at his job site. Also her friends and nosy neighbors stepped to look for Shanann and the kids. This threw Chris for a loop. Running around looking crazy knowing he murdered them.
Thing that scares me the most is imaging the actual murders themselves. Someone mentioned “murderous rage” and I agree...what would that cardboard box of a man look like when he’s relishing in killing his family? The fact he looked up those song lyrics tells me he must have been PARTYING at least mentally, maybe physically.
I also think Chris Watts grossly overestimated his own intelligence. His neighbour had a video camera that showed Shannon never left the house. Busted. The neighbour thought he was guilty.
@@CoExist64 agreed! I think he seriously underestimated her best friend Nichole! He had not thought about anything she had planned for the next day or anything! Also I think he planned on doing something like texting people back via her phone but then he had no idea SW had changed her code to her phone (🤣😂) once he saw the code was charged it was useless to him (her phone) so he tossed it in the couch. He was a total dumb ass!
If he snapped over the threat of never seeing his daughters-why did he then kill them? The creep is a liar. He didn't snap he was an idiot over some broad who gave him some.
Exactly. All the information about the murders (other than the parts that are backed up with physical evidence, ie cause of death) pretty much comes from him and he's not exactly credible (understatement of the century).
Almost always in cases like Chris Watts they never tell the full truth unless there is smoking gun evidence. For Chris it started with a murder-suicide committed by Shanann. Then him killing Shanann in anger for "discovering she murdered their daughters". To then killed Shanann in anger and so on. He only copped to killing his daughters when it was undeniable he killed them. As far as how that night unfolded in particular, we probably will never know the truth because that's Chris's last "plausible deniability" to claim he isn't pure evil and just acted in rage.
G Lion lol 😆 and Broad wanted rid of his wife and babies. And he stupidly obliged by allowing it to happen and in my opinion with the help of devil 😈 worshippers. Then the did the off and left him to take the rap. And I believe threatened his family. His wife and babies imo were a sacrifice.x
You're right. She could not have prevented Chris from having visitation. That would be up to the court. If Shannan did say that, it would have been an empty threat.
@@JamesHarmony well, for starters hes since retold the story and it doesnt include that detail (or story-line) anymore Secondly, he come clean about it being pre-planned for a different motive (to be with Nicole Kessinger, who he now accuses of seducing him, quoting bible verses about “bad” women) Lastly, hes a lying a$$ murderer using a tired excuse abusive men have been using for ages to justify murdering their wives
Even if she did say it, she may not have been serious. She could have been saying it to get revenge in the moment for how he had humiliated her. She may have acquiesced when she realized that her kids want to see their dad. To respond to the temporary separation between parent and child with the permanent removal of the other parent… it’s insane. It shows no empathy. He never thought about the girls when making this decision.
@@Cherry-lm9rz he did. he brought up that cars were being broken into and asked nate(neighbor) about his camera angles. I personally think he was planning this for a longer time than we realize and was checking to see how far to back up his truck
“You’re never gonna see the kids again” I believe Chris watts made this up to make Shannan look bad. We can clearly see from her texts that’s she wanted Chris and his family to be part of their lives. She was upset when his family missed the girls birthdays. She tried to go to marriage counseling. She asked her friends for advice on how to make Chris feel better. I don’t believe for a second that she would have threatened to keep the girls from him when she worked so hard to make them a happy family.
Highly likely. We're dealing with a liar here, so maybe that phrase wasn't even uttered by Shannan. It just came off in his mouth because he was trying to justify his actions. Why else would he drove off for hours and hours to kill his girls after he killed his wife if he loved them so much and he is clearly sane? Doesn't make sense, does it?
- I feel the exact same way you do. I believe he said that to make her look bad, as well as to garner sympathy for himself. She just didn't seem to be a vindictive person.
@@natalietitus3234 Shanann was a strong personality and Chris was a complete wimp. Yes, she bossed him around and made the decisions in the marriage, but he never told her no.
Shanann seemed like a narcissist and her use of baby wise is disturbing. I was raised by someone just like Shanann. I was emotionally and mentally abused so I see right through her. Many other people aren't able to see it. It's exactly the same way with my own mom. People on the outside thought she was such a cool person. Chris was stupid for not divorcing her. Shanann's last days of sadness and confusion is what happens when people have had enough of the covert narcissistic abuse. These people get sad and confused when people are done, fed up and over them. She didn't deserve to die of course. She isn't the great mom and wife like people love to write about online. Those kids were victims long before they died. Chris is in prison and will never see freedom. There's a lot to be learned from this tragedy.
This is the most monstrous crime I've known in my 60+yrs of life .The murder of his children was beyond reason to me and his wife and unborn child as well.
I thought this was the most monstrous crime as well, and I'm 66. And then along came Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell, the extent of whose evil makes that of Chris almost pale in comparison. It seems the depths of depravity that some people will sink to in pursuit of sex, money, or power, is bottomless.
Bruceann Yellowega / I don’t believe C Watts was in a rage. Look at the video of him carrying his kids and dead wife to his truck. He was calm. He is a sociopath.
Hi Dr Todd, just a word on narcissistic rage from personal experience. I was married to an academically brilliant, but emotionally childish narcissist. One day he was raging and hurting me, the next door neighbor called out for him to stop and he stopped immediately and had a sheepish smile on his face while looking at the neighbour. This rage is there, but they can control it. They just 'Act' like they can't so they can justify why they are hurting you. Love your channel 👍
@@hillarybillary21 I'm sorry that happened to you, but glad you got out of the relationship. Sometimes it takes years to escape. IMO they know what they are doing, but don't know why or how they they became this way, and want to test how much abuse you're willing to take. They know they will never change because they don't want to, this fake mask works perfectly for them. It makes them smarter than everyone else. I cried and begged for hours for my ex narc to try to let go of all the mind games because his family and I truly love him. It was never going to happen. There's no hope for them.
@@hillarybillary21 Yes, you do realise it was all fiction, a make believe fairytale that you were involved in. It wasn't a real relationship, what happened didn't really affect him emotionally. It makes it easier for you to get passed that time, lesson learned (at first, if it's too good to be true, it probably is). A word of caution, I wouldn't be alone when he brings the money. 🌷
I agree, also from experience- the narc can turn the rage, and the victim-playing on and off like a tap. It's truly evil. If you are involved with one of these monsters, don't walk away...RUN
Out of all the horrific cases I've heard over the years as a father this one baffles me. I'd put myself in harm's way for my children without hesitation.
Still shocking after all this time. It's almost as if he thought he would kill his family, sell his house, no longer be in debt, run off with Nicole and no one would be the wiser. When the cops walked into their bedroom and the sheets were missing, it's like really, how dumb did he think everyone was? What an animal.
The really f***** up part is that if her friend hadn’t of been persistent, he might have actually gotten away with it. I mean it was so evident from the git that something wasn’t adding up. Her car is in the garage. The kid seats are also in the garage. Her favorite sneakers are still there. Her purse, the kids meds, her cell phone (turned off) all still in the house. He’s not upset, he seems to be speaking matter-of-factlly like “yeah, she went with the kids to a friends house.” Not upset or frantic in the slightest, implying that maybe everything is still there because she and the kids were kidnapped. All the alarms were screaming! But if her friend had not been persistent I believe he would be a free man today.
It's dreadful watching this monster of a man with his children specifically , knowing what he did , and people who blame shannan really do not get it about christopher watts , they are still buying into the facade , believing his lies that what he did was because he snapped, and was possessed by a dark entity ..when he is interviewed by the police he drops his voice and tries to sound emotional and distressed , that is all so sickening.
this is really what happened. he had 5 weeks to pretend he was free of all responsibility while having fun in bed with a mistress. he decided he wanted out and apparently wiping out his whole family seemed like a good idea. i don't believe a word he says. he seems content in prison. not sure that will last but for now i think he's doing fine.
@@songbirdsinging1878 you are bang on ...it sure is a weird one ,unfathomable ..i heard the coming up release of the last 200 discovery is even more horrific than as been revealed to date
fran mellor I hadn’t heard about the missing 200 pages being released, where did you read that? I wonder if any of it fits in with watt’s many versions of what happened?
Don’t confuse intimacy with sex either. When you love someone deeply, sex is so intimate, it goes beyond what can be accomplished with lust only. It’s extremely complex, when you really think about it. Merry Christmas 🎄
@@pommiebears so true, having sex with a person out of lust has a significantly different feeling than having sex with a partner who you truly love, that why you can never buy true love with money! NEVER!!
The dangers of infidelity, indeed. I was going through a hellish divorce during 2018, finding out in March of that year that my husband had been cheating on me since June 2016. I’m a cancer survivor, disabled with chronic pain. I would rather have gone through chemo again than the pain of finding out he was unfaithful and the subsequent demise of our marriage. We’d been together almost 28 years. Watching poor Shannan going through the same thing while being able to see what was going on between Chris and Nicole was pretty disgusting. The biggest question to me is why do a handful of men feel the need to kill their wives or entire families in order to start over with someone else? I don’t think Chris snapped. I think he had already decided he was going to kill them at least a week before. Obviously we can’t believe a word he says about it. I really hope that he was lying about waiting to kill those girls, that they didn’t have to endure that car ride with their mother’s body. He threw them away like garbage, worse than. What kind of man shoves his children into oil tankers? Good God, what a monster.
Yes!! Thank You! I was thinking this the whole time. Have u watch when during the trial, where detectives described how he murdered his children he shared no tear, but when they read his sentence he was crying - tears dripping down his face.
Yep, now he wants people to think he wasn't completely vile and evil, but oh yeah, he is and should be locked away in a lion's den. His new life is too cushy and he doesn't deserve to live.
6:56 'Allegedly' told him "you're not gonna see the kids again." The alleged comment coming from a pathological homicidal sociopath. I do not believe she told him this.
I think Shakespeare was speaking metaphorically , like Einstein quoting "God does not play dice with the universe." The point is Shakespeare and Einstein have not much of an idea about the existence of a God and neither do we.
I lived by her family and happened to be at a gas station with them the morning they found out she was dead. It was absolutely heartbreaking to see them in shock and tears. I think I was there just moments after they found out.
Why would they go to a gas station just moments after they found out she was dead? I listened to Frankie's testimony to the FBI yesterday and he said they were at home when they found out they were actually dead. Seeing how they reacted according to him they would nor have suddenly went anywhere.
@@PrimateProductions it was her extended family as far as I know. I think they received a call when at the station. I pulled in and saw people in a group outside and the cashier explained what was going on to me. I don't know them personally.
@@marthamryglod291 A sad observation of our society. Honestly is auto devalued and evil is auto believed. Should be other way around but isn’t with our new now.
Only because of Dr Grande I was able to realize that my father was a sadist. I’m 45. It’s so sad. I had no idea. Finally my husband pointed it out last night ... I was in shock I could not talk
I thought the same. I'm a yr older. It doesn't help the level of immaturity just confuses things more. Ugh this is soo mentally exhausting, bless the people who had to deal with this pos.
I don’t believe the 4 am conversation between Chris and Shan’ann ever took place. Why would he wake her at that hour to talk about their marriage? She’d only got back from her trip around 2 am. It’s ridiculous. The “marriage discussion” couldn’t have waited till after he finished work? I think he made that up to try to explain why his wife might have left the following day with the children, or (his plan B) to explain why he “lost it” when she told him “he’d never see the kids again” (another lie). I think he’d planned the murders for days and he killed her while she slept.
GradKat ---We know it’s was planned because he had prepared to be alone at the worksite on Monday on Friday. I totally agree there was no ‘long discussion’. He said she was crying and her mascara was running but you can plainly tell Shan’ann had no make up on at 2 a.m. when she’s on the Ring doorbell camera. I picture Chris was fuming because his wife was ‘late coming home’, putting the squeeze on his timeline.
Interesting theory. That would explain his saying Shannan didn't fight back and the lack of marks on him which supports that. I think one of the cops theorized that as well.
I do believe he has an argument at 4 am because no woman is going to arrive at home and go right to sleep when she hasn’t kiss her girls goodnight and talked with her husband who she hasn’t seen. There is a big possibility they got intimate.
@@godallowsuturns679 he refused her sex for weeks before. Why would he suddenly have sex with her the night he kills her? I get what you're saying and it's definitely a possibility but given how he was treating her. I don't think we're ever going to get the real truth unfortunately.
She wasn’t responsible. CW is a disgusting psychopath but but prior to meeting Shanann had a higher paying job than the anadarko oil job and had a savings account. After marrying her she talked him out of the higher paying job to get a job requiring less hours that paid less and also drained his savings account and put the family in debt. She had bankruptcy before meeting him too. He had not. She put the girls in a high priced preschool they couldn’t afford, wanted that house and they couldn’t afford it, even with bankruptcy looming she booked a trip to Aspen for her and CW (they never made it it because he killed her). Speaking of a third child….despite the dismal finances Shanann was pregnant again.
how do you know she talked him out of leaving a great job etc To blame one person in a relationship of their finance issues it ridiculous nobody could make me switch jobs or careers and no way would i just let my partner put me in debt. He had a mouth and a mind he chose to allow that to happen. He also may of preferred the oil rig job and he made that decision. Shallow to think she had that much power and control over him and if she did then that was his pathetic fault not hers. Thats as bad as saying she pushed him to kill them too…. Smh!
To say Shannon was responsible is laughable. My 18 year old son has more sense than her, and I hope like hell if he ever gets married his wife is a better person than she was. And before you jump on me, yes Chris is a monster and she and their children did not deserved what he did to them... but don't go making out she was some amazing or even regular person.
The very idea that there was an argument at stupid O'Clock in the morning seems ridiculous to me. She was pregnant, tired and ill. She already had to be up quite early for an appointment and she got home later than expected. I don't believe she wanted sex, and I definitely don't believe she asked him to wake her at 4pm. She would have wanted whatever precious little sleep she could manage. I firmly believe she was asleep when he started to kill her
whts sad is theres millions of men who are alone who would have loved to have a wife to care for like her. I think your spot on about your assertions though.
Trust me... When preg and at that hour- trust me you are out! Sex?! Bah! He started strangling her when she was sleeping... Worst case she came to, briefly, before passing but in my heart I really hope she did not. RIP innocent woman and beautiful girls
Chris’s Watts had his kids enrolled at a children’s gym that I worked at and my boss taught his daughters. I met his wife briefly. His wife was sweet and his daughters were adorable. Chris was a little aloof at times but he seemed to really care about his kids. It shocked the whole staff when we heard about the murders. He seemed so normal and acted like a good dad and decent husband.
What I can tell, he is a normal and caring guy. He had a lot of pent up anger, and he was taking those patches that messes with his heart rate and testosterone. He slept about 3 hours a night for a few months. He would fall asleep will talking to Nicki. After the perfect mixture of bad things, he snapped in a fit of rage and killed his wife. After that, he lost his mind. Then he did the rest. Other than that moment, he would have never have done those things. He loved his girls. After the incident he lied to himself and wouldn't let himself see what he did. At the same time he was in survival mode. Thinking about being with Nicki still as it helped him forget his situation. This is a travesty because he isn't the type of person who would do this. It was a once in a billion event.
They all act. We have one at work. Waiting for that day. We have reported but no action until there is a physical abuse. So far it's rage, bullying and stalking.
Ami Khan everyone is a narcissist to some degree. His friends and family didn’t think he was an over the top narcissist (like Trump). The incident was a perfect storm. He had anger built up from prior events, his testosterone and chemicals were out of wack, he was using too many of those patches that made him feel like he worked out all day without doing anything, they messed with his heart, coming back from NC to high elevation may have had an effect, he didn’t sleep more than 2 or 3 hours in a few months, he was bankrupt, then he was told he would never see his girls again. He snapped into a blinding rage, lost all control, couldn’t stop himself even when he wanted to. After he killed his wife, he completely lost his mind and went mental. Maybe he had a fever in his brain from the rage. Being totally lost and not himself he killed his girls. He didn’t regain sanity until weeks later. Then he realized he lost the 2 little girls he loved most in the world.
When i saw Bella with Chris and she looked up at him with simple adoration for her daddy the day before he murdered her I became literally ill from knowing that man could just cold blooded murder his babies.
from all family videos ive seen ...he appeared quite a normal loving father with his children. there were no signs. for him to so callously do away with them ...and then react the way he reacted afterwards. Its like he was lobotomized.
@@elaine8985 I haven't yet been able to bring myself to watch that either. Too horrible, how sweet the girls are in the home videos, and loving, especially towards their dad.
I've watched hundreds of hours of videos on this case HUNDREDS!!!! the day CW dad comes in and CW admits to RW what he did and what happened...when left alone in that room he was offered a pizza and he sat there calmly eating it like he would be eating pizza in his own kitchen...that sent chills through me
Apparently he never argued back or lost his temper with her. He never got annoyed or irritated. She thought it was a quality in Chris, no that's a disorder and a warning sign.
She was a narc who raised another narc...typical blame shifting and dissociative behaviour. She in a way justified her daughter in law's murder thru the hands of her son ...really scary mother who raised a monster
@Monika Azariah Shannan was also a narcissist. That leaps out from her videos. I'm not victim blaming and no way did she deserve what happened, but she was hard work. There is something dodgy about Nicole, also.
@@afroliciouspresents3603 I agree with that! Shannan was no angel and her constant posting on facebook and other social media platforms made Watts angry though he didn 't want to mention it to her! Of course this is not an excusion for those horrible murders. But in my opinion it isn 't correct potraying Shannan as a person with no mistakes! I think the passion for his mistress and the anger against Shannan grew and grew and exploded at the night of the murders. Watts obviously aren 't able to express his feelings , neither in a good nor in a bad way! This was a really tragedy and feel so sorry for the victims.
@@kathleenhebert7757 nah, it's her babies. the guy never referred to them as 'my' or 'mine'. let him have it his way, in prison. good chance someone will wipe him out there.
@@kathleenhebert7757 HER babies!! HE never cared about his daughters! Malignant narcissists like Chris only get married and have kids in an effort to make themselves seem normal... Chris was never normal, and when he met Nichol K., he wanted her, and a new lifestyle, so that is when his family's usefulness to him ran out... Idealize, devalue, discard. It's what malignant narcissists do... Chris is also a sociopath, so murder came pretty easily to him. But don't you DARE refer to those lost little girls as THEIR babies!! I can't believe your level of pettiness, correcting someone on that!!!...
Fascinating analysis, Dr. Grande. This case breaks my heart, but it’s also frightening. I realized recently that my ex is a pathological liar and narcissist. We were together for nearly 20 years, and I found out that he was cheating on me for the last seven of those. He is incredibly charming but lies even when there is no need to lie. It became painfully clear to me that you never truly know someone no matter how close you think you are to a person.
I believe he killed her while she was asleep also....possibly from behind... Shananns father said she was a fighter....if she was being throttled....she would have fought....anyone would...its preservation of life...shanann didnt have any self defense wounds on her body...chris didn't have scratch marks...bites...nothing.... I absolutely believe he strangled her from behind....most likely in her sleep...in her most vulnerable state, so she wouldn't fight back Chris himself said Shanaan didnt fight
I’ve had it happen to me. I was sleeping & my ex husband jumped on me straddled me so I couldn’t move my arms. He placed his hands around my throat & kids were sleeping in their rooms. Thank god he let go. Fast forward okidd all grown we divorced. He doesn’t have any pictures of them in his home with new wife & kids. One thing I’d like to point out his planning and leaving but he already had the girlfriend place.
According to Chris, Shannon said he'd never see the kids again. I believe he made that up afterward as a last resort passion killing excuse for "snapping". He didnt snap. All premeditated, which he admitted. Sick that he knew what he was about to do and used her body one last time. Thank you for your insights, Dr. G!
I agree totally. He planned it, he just didn’t know exactly when. But he was done with his marriage. He didn’t care if he never saw his wife and kids again, he wanted out. The new girlfriend was just the push he needed. In time he was going to get rid of her too. I mean what kind of life could they really have? She knowing he killed his wife and kids, and he blaming her. He said if he had never met NK he would not have did it. Yeah, right. I don’t believe that. Once the lust wore off and he couldn’t keep up with her….imagine the two of them pretending to be happily ever after. Not buying it.
Dr. Grande nailed it .. psychopathic narcissist with rage & self control issues, probably zero sexual impulse control, who engaged in extramarital affair. Irony is that he looks just NORMAL guy!!
@@brendab.5111 Being 70K in debt, declaring bankruptcy, he might not have told the mistress all about that. Having a whole family go missing, people are not just going to look the other way. I cant believe he thought he would get away clean, with his lame stories, and smiling as he told those stories. He was sunk from the get - go. Her car was home, her purse was sitting there, her shoes on ft porch, her phone, he didnt have time to try to do it properly.
@bradsanders6954 I agree. He planned it and was going to blame the whole thing on his girlfriend if he got caught. I think his girlfriend was involved but he planned it. She went along, but he planned it.
He didn't seem to have any of the red flags we are aware of to look out for in potential dangerous people, violent history, abusive, controlling, angry. I think that's what makes this so terrifying. Even Shannan's family said they never could of imagined this happening. And her mother is very intuitive. Heartbreaking and terrifying the whole thing.
He didn’t exhibit and flags because he was nothing but a weak, feminine man. Shanann was an obvious narcissist. Watch all of the footage and you’ll catch very creepy, cruel tactics she used against him. He was so weak that over time he built up an unbelievable level of rage and hatred for her. He absolutely hated her guts. All he had to do was stand up to her. Have a backbone. Tell her “no, I will not do these fake videos anymore. You will not talk to me like this anymore.” Two benefits would come of that, number 1: he would feel better for standing up for himself: number 2: she would’ve actually become more attracted to him because women want a man with a spine. She was incredibly dominant over him and she saw him as weak, which he was. Had he just spoke up, I think they’d be alive and happy. I am NOT saying it is her fault. There’s many forces at play here but a narcissist with a weak minded, submissive person is a pressure cooker. He’s definitely a piece of shit, no excuse to do what he did but I think that’s the most obvious, logical cause after watching all of the footage of them.
@@MaynardsSpaceship I didn’t say femininity was a weakness, however... men that display overtly feminine qualities are often disrespected by women because they pity them.
@@mikexxxmilly I understand what you are trying to say. One disagreement though: Women are not always going to find a man more attractive because they display having a spine. It depends what he has a spine about. Both women and men can have in their minds a vision of what they expect a good marriage to include...what it looks like. If during their marriage Chris didn't want to do things that for Shannon were not negotiable, she could have found it difficult to accept. In other words, if he had a spine to stand up against things she really valued, they were always going to be at a crossroads. That said, the fact that she had written a letter and composed a speech to her own husband, which she had sent to a third party to look at, says to me she was desperate. So it says to me that he was ALREADY laying down the law. Not only in action by not paying his wife any attention, but probably defending it to her face in conversations. To write a letter and compose a speech, thereby moving on from normal conversation, she was either 1) desperate to make him understand her point of view to get her way (persuasion or manipulation), or 2) desperate to show him they could be the couple they once were (completely reasonable) or 3) wanting to show him she could change (caving or adjusting because of desperation). I have not seen the letter or speech.
Dr Grande brings up such a good point, the utter sadness for Shannan the last weeks of you her life. She knew something was wrong & was so desperately trying to save her marriage wondering what she had done or what she could do to make it work. She reached out to her friends & was completely honest with them regarding her part in the failings. SMH her last weeks truly were sad.
@@TangledTrueCrime: Shanann had some awareness of danger from Chris; to a friend she had texted that she was afraid for her unborn. Mrs Rzucek must have had a subconscious sense that Shanann was in danger: Mrs. Rzucek awakened in a fright the night that Shanann got back home in Colorado.
What she had done??? Belittling and abusing him emotionally shannon. She led him right into the arms of another woman. Then she panicked. Her fantasy world was going to be figured out. Unfortunately what happened was Horrible...smh
It was very damaging and painful for Shannan being pregnant and being cheated on by her husband, that's so true. That alone in itself is heartbreaking.
This case has always stuck with me and over the years I find more and more information about it. They were planning on naming their baby Nico Lee Watts and now hearing that’s pretty much his mistress’s name is just another f’d up part about this case
@@meme-bu8qu I heard that on the Grizzly True Crime videos about this case. She was doing a deep dive into the case. Naming his son after his mistress is beyond cruel,it’s evil. I never heard that Shannon chose that name. Are you sure that’s true? It would seem too strange considering Nico Lee is like Nicole.
it’s actually pretty believable he’d be evil and sickly vile to that extent given that, while shannan was on that business trip, he sent her a picture of a blow up doll with a sheet over it saying it was their daughters idea to apparently creepily see her reaction. he seems like that sadistic maniac no doubt about it
Just watched the new Netflix doc on this. The footage of Chris with his daughters made my skin crawl. Gotta give props to the lie detector investigator. How she still could act humanely to Chris-giving him the out when she asked him if the reason why he didn’t want to talk was because his wife actually was hurting the kids-was probably the single most important act in getting Chris to finally admit he killed all three. Imagine how Chris felt when the lie detector operator was telling him that he would be a fool to take the test if he did have something to do with the murders. She had to watch him bomb each and every question that had to do with the deaths and still she was trying to keep him relaxed-rubbing his back and shit. Played Chris like she was first chair violinist for the NewYork Philharmonic Bravo 👏👍
Vinnie 1505 I honestly did a lot of the 10second fast forwarding on those scenes. Creepy as hell. And then how he ended up killing them? It’s absolutely nuts picturing the girls in the backseat-dead mom at their feet-cruising for an hour to Chris’ worksite.
The only one I wish we could of seen is the handcuffs being put on him. If they have it I don't remember seeing it. Let's not forget the phony news interview or the neighbor showing himself on video camera!
This is a case that's always fascinated me. Being a family man, I cannot fathom ever committing such atrocities, thank you for covering and analyzing this case.
Definitely no remorse from what I read he killed the youngest first. Bella pleaded with her father, begging him not to do what he did to CeCe. Her pleading didn’t even snap him out of it, that’s cold and calculated
cathy Gray Bella said exactly that, too. Of course, that’s according to Chris, but I’m thinking that’s one thing he said that WAS true, because it sure doesn’t make him look good.
Oskar Ryberg you don’t need to be a psychologist to he able to tell that a person killing his 4 year old daughter after she pleaded him not to, after driving for 45 minutes to kill her and her sister and mom is not someone that “just snapped” but someone that is just evil and vile. I don’t see how you could ever say otherwise.
@Brad Sinacore I agree with you Brad. This savage had no feelings. He only knew the feeling of lust. The only justice for what he did would be if we could see the proof, of him burning in hell for 100 years. And we can not see any proof of that, so justice for his wife and three children and the pain he caused her parents and brother, will never be enough justice for this savage :(
That’s kinda why I can’t totally understand his motive. Kill wife one thing he killed his kids as if he also hated them ? So many things about this I can’t understand , I often though parents loved their children.
Psycho gets homicidal when told he'll never see his kids then proceeds to kill them and never see them again. I find it hard to believe that he had never displayed impulsive rage in the past toward his family.
@@Kimber123 it’s a post construction. She never said that. He wanted to get rid of his family to move on with his mistress. Shannon was the one that was clinging on to hope and wanted to work things out.
@@Kimber123Oh please. That gets thrown around all the time in divorce & marital issues. That doesn’t justify straddling your wife & choking her to death. A normal reaction is, I’ll see you in court then. Chris Watts was just waiting for a “reason” to get rid of his life & family. All for a piece of tight ass. Terrible & disgusting. There’s a special place in hell for people like Chris.
@@Kimber123 she should have never said that to him...? Does that justify his actions to you? Does his behavior seem like a reasonable reciprocation to you? Im confused on how, out of this entire story, that was your takeaway? Please tell me I'm misunderstanding.
@Kimber123 got it, so you don't actually have an answer. You're just up in the comments being a jerkish troll. Nice deflection, though, calling my question stupid, it almost made me L-O-L. Thank you for the smile! (⌒∇⌒)ノ"
In one documentary about this case I heard a great definition for Chris: "family annulator". He simply had a desire to completely annul his marriage, including the children that resulted from that marriage. In his selfish and narcissistic brain, he wanted to start life anew, as if the episode of his marriage to Shannon and the children he had with that woman never existed. That is why a simple divorce was out of the question, because a living ex-wife and children to whom he pays alimony would ruin the romantic image where only he and his mistress exist, and it would be a constant reminder of his failed life choices. I believe that he is a classic case of a spoiled male child who is approved for everything and who has learned that his rights are above the rights of others. He received the deserved punishment, and his mistress, who tried to build her happiness on someone else's misfortune, will surely be punished karmically.
The way you can hear on the recording from the cops where the neighbor was like, "Hey, Chris, how ya doin'? Nice weather, huh?" (Not literally a quote, I'm just paraphrasing to point out his general attitude) *Until* Chris walked away, then he immediately turned to the cops and was all, "Y'all need to look at him, because that man ain't right!" I think we all hope all our neighbors are as great, and are paying as good attention, as this guy 😄💜 The best kind of "nosy" neighbor ever, using his powers for good!
Mad respect to you, Dr. Grande for diving into this. It’s so dark, cold & brutal. I’m just now looking into this case but only a little bit because it’s just too much. For the longest I couldn’t at all. 💔😩
The whole “never gonna see the kids again” and “snapping” is Chris’ story. Unfortunately Shannan can’t be here to give her side of the story. Chris’ story also at one point was such that Shannan killed the kids and he killed her. Evidently he’s done much to shift the blame on his dead wife, rather than taking responsibility for his actions. It’s likely he just decided to kill her after months of planning a life with his mistress.
Chris stole the scenario of Shannan killing the girls from the female crime investigator who administered the lie detector test. He picked up that suggestion from a female “in authority” and lied that that was what occured. Chris had to be told what to do by women, starting with his most unpleasant & devious mother, Cindy. Chris needed for Shannan to be the Alpha in the dynamic between them that is until he replaced her with his next source of Narcissistic Supply, Kessinger! His life with Kessinger would have devolved rapidly too as she was very controlling, but also with a much less positive value system than Shannan.
We'll never know whether she threatened him with that, but I could see how a father would get enraged at hearing that - to the point of killing, no, but it's not right for a woman to use this as a threat. If he didn't love her, why would she want him.
To me, his lies are so obvious. He cared so much about his kids that when she said “you’ll never see them again”, he snapped and killed her but after the supposed rage was over, he calmly strangled those babies to death. When I was going through my divorce my son was three years old. My narcissistic and cruel ex-husband told me if I divorced him he would take my son somewhere I would never find him. We had to sneak out in bare feet late at night by rolling the car out of the driveway. I was afraid for a while, but then I realized that it was all just an attempt at control. He never even attempted to visit his son let alone steal him after that. I guess I should consider myself lucky that in that way he was just a narcissist, and not a psychopath like Chris Watts. Ironically my name is Shannon also.
I’m pretty sure the last little girl asked Chris ‘are you going to do the same to me’. He replied- yes. What an absolute scumbag how could you that’s just heartbreaking 💔
@@PrimateProductions that’s incorrect he did answer, it’s in the interviews of him posted on TH-cam.He said something along the lines of “ I’m not sure if I either said yes like a horrible person or simply nothing in response to her asking me ” he claims it’s one of the two
@@surpriseme3928 what he actually said word for word was _"I don't even remember what I said. I don't know if I said yes like a horrible person or if I just put that sheet, that blanket over her head and did the same thing"_ So what you just said in your reply (and what he said) and what you implied in your first, original comment, that he definitely said YES is definitely NOT the same thing!
He’s a piece of S$&T that should have been PUT DOWN. It’s so sickening. He had a job, he could have seen his kids if he wanted, he had a girlfriend, just get a DIVORCE!
Mastashake yeah i wouldn’t want a wife on social media that much either. privacy with your family is very much needed but so many women need that attention from anywhere they can get it
This blew through Colorado like crazy! My brother was a detective on this case; multiple agencies worked it & knew he did it as soon as the T. V. interview aired 😐
If there's an Oscar for best TH-camr in the category 'Mental Health Topics, based on Scientifically Information', Dr. Grande deserves to be the winner.
There's the TH-cam Webby awards that have a health and fitness category. I voted for Dr. Grande last year or the year before. www.webbyawards.com/about/categories/#social-544-12166
Definitely stuck to the REAL DISCOVERY which is 100% all can be done here. I hope when the case starts to crack further, as I see it just about to do, ... a different set of characters may emerge & in that case, I would like to see how you ... alter your perception & dx’s. It is a truly gripping & sad case despite how one looks at it. Dr Angelina
Love the subdued/subtle anger Todd has in his voice while talking about Shannan being emotionally tormented/confused and the poor woman trying to save her marriage... all while it was only a few weeks before her murder 💔
Maybe it`s an oversight and I missed you saying it, but he contacted his coworker the day before telling them he is going to the site alone and made sure no one was going... So I doubt he snapped over not seeing the kids. He wanted them gone.
Eh it’s possible both things occurred. It’s not uncommon for a jilted wife to threaten the husband with never seeing the kids again. Of course, that’s never the wife’s call to make-only a family court judge can decide that. Also, I disagree with others that sate he was a psychopath. Homicidal psychopaths are usually very calculating and plan out their murders very carefully..unlike sociopaths who seem to be more impulsive and sloppy. Also, in that one police cam video where Chris is in his house with the neighbors, Chris seemed very jumpy when the cop radioed into dispatch right in front of him. That’s not common for psychopaths, who usually remain very calm even when a traffic cop wants to search their vehicle and they have a dead body in the trunk (the classic example demonstrating psychopath’s preternatural calm). Definitely a narcissist but I think he’s more of sociopath than a psychopath.
@@eiffelviolet hmmm, I see sociopaths as being driven to anti-social behavior by their environment (usually a really bad childhood) whereas psychopaths are simply born that way.. I equate sociopaths with being unable to control their anger and lashing out in criminal ways whereas a psychopath can be devoid of anger and still chop you into pieces just for the sheer thrill of it. I could be wrong though.
I appreciate your empathy and sympathy. When you were talking about the wife’s text messages and drafted letters, I could also feel her pain. It saddened me.
I’m shivering when I learnt the details, I can’t possibly imagine what those girls have gone through, gives me nightmares on what could happen to my own, I can’t imagine how sick someone would be in order to kill toddlers, let alone their own, and probably not under rage. There’s more horror to this than horror movies.
Mostly things in real life are more horrific. Because they are real. I still believe CW mistress was more of a player that was said at the time. In a way it would be good if CW'S mistress was investegated more thoroughly, but in a way let the poor "girls' and Nico 🙏 In the end she has to live with this horrendous crime with people judging her for the rest of her life. If she cares that is. I mean she was interfering in a damaged marriage. Hands off. At least until there is a complete loss of hope of saving a marriage.
There are a lot of similarities between this and the murders of Lacy and Conner, Both wives had that bubbly, in control personalities. Both wives were pregnant and both husbands had weak egos and both had mistresses.
@@blueseptember2174Exactly. Reminds me of this bible verse. And it’s EXACTLY what happened. (He probably murdered them, because he could have gotten a divorce. But no he didn’t want child supoort or to lose his house and things) James 1:14-17 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Other people have compared Chris Watts to Susan Smith. They are both terrible actors and people never really suspected Chris or Susan of being capable of criminal acts; on top of that, they both wanted to be with their lovers and saw their children as obstacles to their desires. I would also add that it's a bit of a stretch to note that they are both from the Carolinas. While Susan Smith pleaded Not Guilty to killing her sons Michael and Alex but was convicted of her crimes and sentenced to Life in Prison with the possibility of parole after thirty years; Chris accepted a plea bargain wherein he agreed to plead Guilty to the charge filed against him in exchange for not being sentenced to Death Row. With regards to Susan Smith; she added racial tension to the story she gave to the police and the media by claiming that a black man had stolen her car and abducted her sons. While it makes me angry that Susan decided to play "the black man did it" card; I can understand why she did that: Susan thought that because she was a white woman who lives in the South, the police would automatically believe her claims. Fortunately the Sheriff of Union County, South Carolina treated Susan's story with suspicion from the get-go.
I'm now even more convinced that he never had any love for those 2 little girls. Looking at footage of the family the emotional detachment is actually crystal clear.
Exactly and he mimicked Shannans entire personality but most of us can see he was just going through the motions. I believe he google searched "how to act when someone tells you they love you" that right there tells me that he didn't know how to have organic human emotions. He is just a blob of emptiness.
I watched the Netflix documentary about this case, which included a lot of video footage. There's a scene in the airport where he's welcoming home his girls after their time away. It's so so cold. He literally is a blank slate. It chilled me right to the bone.
The early morning conversation with wife could have been made up to make the murder look less premeditated . After all the guy is full of shut. The lack of struggle suggests he attacked her while she was asleep.
She was not his wife to him, she and the children were a liability that he wanted to be rid of. There was never any love that he felt for those precious souls as he was incapable of it. He never loved that other female either, how long would she have lasted. And what woman with any self respect would behind an affair with an obviously married man with young children? She is disgusting. I want the other prints to bide their time and then make him suffer, the way he did to that beautiful precious soul carrying his baby, and those innocent sweet loving little children who loved their “daddy”. He is one of the most disgusting repulsive things on this planet and his soul is beyond redemption. Makes sick!!!
@@shininglightstar843 I watched a Dr Phil interview with the Rzucek family and it was heartbreaking to see how much Shanann's brother is suffering over the loss of his sister and nieces. 😢
The craziest part about it to me is how little he revealed that side of himself before it happened. I would think that there would have been signs. It seems like Shannan had zero clue that he was capable of this kind of violence. I wonder if Chris himself knew he was capable of that sort of thing.
There is no cure for the psychopath or narcissist. If there's a narc or psycho in your life, please try to find a way to leave as soon as you are able. It will save your life.
@Melissa Faye It is true that its not their fault they have it, and I feel compassion for that. It's very sad. But it is still incumbent upon them to seek help. Even if they aren't overtly violent, they can be dangerous in the sense that they can drive others to suicide among other issues like PTSD, major depression, substance abuse, or stress-induced diseases. They absolutely are dangerous, and you can't love them out of it. If they refuse to seek help, all you can do is love them from afar and save yourself, because keeping them around can kill or seriously harm you.
I agree. If he was driven by the thought of leaving the marriage, wouldn't he be pleased to not have anything to do with the children? I don't believe that Shanann said this. It just sounds like another one of Watts' lies.
Totally agree.. May be three years but his messages are timeless and we learn a lot. He knows what he is talking about, has confidence that compels close attention.
There's something about this case that's really unsettling. There have other cases where a parent snaps and kills their family but for some reason this case leaves me in kind of a 'fog' of disbelief after I hear about it .
You're right it is. It's taboo to even discuss it with any sense. Just read the comments lol he's a liar but he's believed when if fits the narrative of the listener. It is bizarre. There's police footage of almost every single aspect. Police footage was released almost immediately. He never complained about his family. Kids were sleep trained. Just so much. Now let the abuse start roflmao.
For me it's because I can relate being similar age, I have fb friends in mlm's so those videos are normal. And because he wasn't violent in past and just a psychopath in plain site, it really scares me. Like other cases, some people would not be surprised. But this one.. he just lived 'normally' then did the most horrific act to his family. I feel like if the affair was longer it would make sense, in some weird way. I read and watched everything on this case, so much so I had to take a break from the internet as it was disturbing me so much
Indeed. I think part of it is how hard Shanann worked to make their family great; all of those videos of the good days & bad; contrasted by the affair, that video at the beach, and what awaited her when she entered that house for the last time. It's a lot to absorb. It must be unbearable for her parents & brother...
@@tessajones9393 me too, could there be st spiritual here, its def the most strange abnormal case in history, a seemingly normal man kills all his family
I recall watching video of Chris watching his two daughters playing and I noticed that he sat very still, not moving or expressing any emotion at all, almost as if he was staring at them totally disengaged. It creeped me out.
“Low Affect” is what this is called. Psychopaths do not emote properly. They remain calm in strange situations. Shannan was an attention seeking narcissist herself, just look at her Facebook posts.
There were a lot of videos and photos where he has this dead cold glare like a shark, in alot of other videos cw seems as if he’s trying to appear like he’s enjoy being around his family but it doesn’t feel genuine, near the end he was completely disconnected in the background just physically there but not connected or showing any interest or feelings. I saw a guy on a boat seemed to take notice of his disconnected behavior
When Chris Watts confessed the murders to his father I found it odd that he didn’t seem all that shocked and horrified. Maybe his dad saw glimpses of evil in young Chris
After watching the footage of Chris with his kids, his face said to me that he never really enjoyed them, like he was just going through the motions. There was never complete Joy on his face. It was as if he was a complete stranger in his family's life. This case is fascinating as it is tragic.
Yeah, that’s how my dad was I always realized. And now I’m taking him to court for all the abuse that happened all these years so what do you know. All I can tell you is yes, they truly are strangers, and the scariest part is realizing they tricked you all along into thinking they weren’t. I’m really suprised we got away and got lucky.
@@lekiddo821 my sperm donor put on several mask...he beat me for no reason other than take out his problems on me. He blamed me for my existing. NEVER told me he loved me or say sorry.
He wanted a son.. I've noticed knowing a few narc. and a sociopath - even if they have a doughter, son is only child they care for. I think that is bc they all hate woman (Mother issues)
I think he was jealous it was a boy! Plus he wanted insurance payout for a new life with his gf. He also dud by want her to know she was pregnant. Him and his mother are the same
It is interesting that ppl take his story at face value- the whole “you’re never gonna see your kids again” angle. Likely a lie to sort of justify him “snapping,” as he put it. Liars lie.
Surely Shannan knew that this was an impossibility in the law. Chris was the father of her two little girls, and he would never have been denied visitation unless she could prove he was somehow unfit. Since at this time he had just admitted to no longer being in love with her,and was distancing himself from her, he had shown no signs of being the monster he became.
Yes I don’t think this man understands this whole story, this is Chris’s version of it ,the evidence says otherwise. It was clearly premeditated,Chris didn’t snap
This is the case that made me never watch or read about crime again. I even switched from Forensic psychology studies because of it. What he did to those children will forever stay with me.
I don't think he was in a rage at all, he later said he knew he was going to kill Shannon that morning - about 16 hours before he did. This was premeditated so thank god he was too stupid to get away with it
That guy has always angered me for what he did to his innocent children, one of them not even born yet. Finding out that he giggled to himself after lying to the police is infuriating. I hope he meets with some prison justice sooner rather than later.
Nah. It’s worse than that. He’s not in general population. He’s in confinement. 23 hrs a day, probably 24 now with COVID. And as his mind slowly slips away, I’m sure his daughter’s last words are there with him, bouncing off those hollow white walls. Knowing his mistress threw him under the buss so readily has to sting too.
Me too. It burns me that he destroyed lives who depended upon him, lives who adored him. Having said that, Eastern philosophy doesn't encourage or propose judging, let alone getting angry. Before anyone said that's BS, doesn't it say the same in the Bible? Judge not. It means don't judge. You don'thave the authority; authorityis with God.(Mather 7 & James 4:12) Knowing/acknowledging evil but not doing it ourselves. This is where my awareness is limited ...
What's equally upsetting is that his in-laws did not want him getting the death penalty so that he has to live with what he's done. First of all, it's not like he'd be put to death the next day. It takes years for that to happen and that is what he should get. Though he'll spend his life in prison, he's still alive, could even re-marry, etc. That was very wrong that they were so outspoken about him not getting the death penalty.
The apple dos'nt fall far from tree. Ya Cindy She thinks Shannan brought it on herself almost deserved it. Ya cuz they had to deal with the Mom's disrespect regarding Nut allergy is a perfect example of her (Major boundary problems). So u can see were Chris gets it. He does NO WRONG in his mother's eyes (Big problem). She defends him. Never liked Shannon threatened by her taking her place in her son's life. Like she would have preferred to birth the grandbabies. She's a sick ticket. And her Son is sicker. Not to mention Nikki she's A real piece of work!!!!! Cops shoulda put them both away.
Very insightful. There's an interesting fact about Chris Watts: he lost a lot of weight and became very muscular. And then he attracted Nichol Kessinger. People say he was very introverted in the past. Maybe this change in his appearance effected a transformation from introverted to extroverted narcissism, as he became able to effect a revenge fantasy, rejecting Shanann, the woman he had had to win over-- and ultimately discarding her brutally.
Was he overweight when with Shannon? I didn't see ANY photo of CW overweight when with Shannon. When was he overweight? Maybe less muscular, but not overweight. Are you working under the theory that he was fat and introverted when with Shannon? Note: The mistress and Shannon bore a strong resemblance.
That's so sad then he should have eaten more cake so then maybe shannan and her babies could be alive right now and maybe they could have done what should have happened and had a divorce with pathetic chris watts sad and alone and her and her children successful and glowing
I don’t why I waited so long to see this analysis. I think this was the best one I’ve heard you do. I loved how you brought up the feelings that were involved. It made me think how we all have made bad decisions that can have a ripple affect. We all need to be careful about the decisions we make and how they can affect our lives and others.
Rest assured a Narcissist doesn't care. In hindsight I consider myself lucky because I found myself in an almost identical position. My ex narc had it also planned out. I also still feel that he had also planned on killing me because beating me up and strangling wasn't good enough. He went even so far to bring his girlfriend to our house saying that she was just a friend. He had his new life all planned out already. Apart from our daughter which I feel he just wanted to raise her with her with the least minimal input financially and emotionally. Narcissim is dangerous and please be aware especially after it ends. Police need to be better trained and lawyers
I don’t believe he ever “ snapped!”I think this was planned, then cold bloodedly carried it out. All the different versions he’s given means he likes the gruesome fame that comes with these horrific murders. The way he treated the bodies is very telling, to actually force those little bodies into the oil batteries shows what an incredibly sick person he really is.
I think he did plan it. What person in a rage, panicked about killing his wife drives his own children 45 minutes to tanks. Also, why would he rage against his children?
He did nt love her anymore and told her that. She did nt understand that and believed counselling would help. He wanted a new life without her and the kids. I watched a video of them where he was nt keen on having another child. At the end of the day he returned and revealed what he really was A monster. He had numerous choices he could ve made. Instead he chose the most monstrous one🤷🏿♀️ no amount of analysis is going to change that.
Thank you for validating that aside from the murder, in which Heinous in itself, the mental torture she went thru about their relationship was also part of the evilness.
My heart goes out for them babies and Shannan! This is not a human! A complete monster.. what dedication Shannan had to her family and kids! He was a unfaithful, ungrateful, creature lurking. There is absolutely no excuse for what he did!
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He had 45 minutes to think about what he was doing while driving a car with his two children and a dead wife inside. But he still killed his kids after that 45 minute drive. The man is totally insane.
Not insane at all! Pyschopath though! He knew what hecwas doing’
Didn't he tried to kill the in the house as well? I read that he tried to suffocate them with their pillows and was upset when he realized that both kids were still alive.
Laura F I remember this too!!! He admitted it after being in prison for a while. It was his “real confession” even though I feel he’s holding back information.
Exactly!!!!!
Hold the phone, it gets worse. He had actually attempted to kill his daughters before killing his wife by suffocating them. Then he proceeded to kill his wife and after she was dead the girls walked in the room and asked him what was wrong with mommy. He said in his prison interview he was "surprised they were still alive". THEN he drove with them in the car and their dead mother was at their feet in the vehicle for 45 minutes. He technically killed his daughters twice!
I’m so saddened to see how many people, especially women (come on ladies 😔) have commented on this and place blame on Shannan! No matter what Shannan did or didn’t do as a wife and mother DOES NOT give Chris the right to take her life, her babies, and the two girls. Y’all should be ashamed.
I agree 💯. Pisses me off, tbh.
People blame her! I have heard that as well. He could have just left. He resented her for whatever reason. He wanted the satisfaction of killing her because he blamed her for the situation.
I agree 100%. Doesn't give anybody the right to murder somebody. Divorce would definitely be the consequence of incompatibility, toxic communication, and so forth. Although expensive and the consequences there are significant too, that doesn't mean he should have done murder as an alternative.
People (I think women especially) victim blame because they’re subconsciously trying to assure themselves horrible things can’t happen to them. If Shannan was to blame because of her personality, or her direct sales job, or her media presence or whatever, then such tragedy could never happen to them because they aren’t like Shannan. It’s easier to tolerate than the idea they have no control over the situation.
@@suekelley2109 never thought of it that way....it makes sense though.
Murdering his little girls and blaming the dead wife this guy is evil to the core
agree, bad enough he murdered her but to wrongly accuse her of killing her own children...and that poor dogloved Shanaan and both girls and was traumatized and upset losing it's family, you can see how upset little dog was
He had to strangle the kids twice..
@@thesummerland6165 Mkk7
The cops put that option into his head. It’s a tactic the cops use. He was stupid enough to fall for it.
It's interesting that evil can be so banal. It feels like he did it because it was the best solution he could think of and he was too dumb to consider the consequences. He's not sadistic, per se, he just didn't mind causing pain to achieve his goals. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, in a way, this guy is even more horrifying than the B.T.K.s of the world. For every Rader there's a dozen Watts with vacant, slack-jawed stares who are simply too dumb not to kill.
The thing I find the most horrific in this case was having the girls in the car while he buried their mother and then smothering one of the girls as the other one watched and then that daughter asking if he was going to do the same thing to her and when he took the blanket to smother her as well, she cried out, "No Daddy." That's just cold-blooded. It's almost like he had made up his mind and was just doing what he had decided to do and didn't see his children as human anymore. It's so sad.
I saw a video from the neighbors security camera, where he loaded the body into his truck in body bags. He most likely smothered them in their sleep.
@@smarie4233nope. He didn’t. Listen to his prison interview. It’s insane. He killed them at the oil wells then stuffed them inside. Such a monster.
@S Marie
If only. You responded to someone's comment, but you don't validate his points. The girls were still alive when he drove 45 minutes to dump his dead wife body.
@Wrath of Arminius s. Marie has no respect for fact. She replied to a person's but didn't validate his points.
@@sammas2959 she just doesn’t know the case yet. I wish I was her and knew less about it honestly. This is one that haunts. I know too much about it. That jailhouse interview was rough. I have girls, and it’s just awful to think of what those little girls went through. So sad.
I still want to know what his end game was. Did he not think anyone would ask " hey where's that pregnant wife and 2 kids of yours?"
Most likely it was what he told the reporter, who interviewed him. Stick to the "they were taken/kidnapped" story. keep on saying whoever "had" them to please bring them back, how much he loved "those girls," missed them, etc. Play the grieving widower who "lost" his family and manipulate everyone into feeling sorry for him. Then make a new life with Nicole. IMO, that's what he fantasized would be the outcome; in his sick, twisted mind. He really thought he would get away with it, because he's smarter than the police and "everyone" knew what a "nice" guy he was.
TOTALLY,,,,,,,,,,,where is the rest of the plan
Good question!!
@Bubby_Bear Exactly! I wondered about that part too. He was in a total fantasy world thinking they were just gone and he was free to move on.
Exactly this. If it was "rage" - why did the murders, particularly of the kids seem so calculated? If the it was "calculated" why was it so badly carried out that he ended up voluntarily confessing to the police within days?
This guy just still gives me chills. The idea that you could carry your two little girls and dump them in a tank just is still beyond belief to me.
Face of evil Chris Watts
And gauging how much oil was in the tank by listening to how long it took for the body to hit the oil
People like him lack humanity, the ability to feel for others
This case is beyond disturbing..we normal people can't even "go there" in our minds. How could you do that to your own babies....HOW???
@@sweetea7035 I couldn’t imagine doing this to a stranger’s kid or even that little brat that annoys and occasionally hurts my daughter at school. I certainly have urges to give a good talking to their racist grandfather who calls all white people “eggheads” and pretends he doesn’t speak any English.
Chris was not in a rage at all. He was calm and calculated. The worst kind of evil if you ask me.
A covert one
I agree it was premeditated. He's just not smart. he buried his family at his job site. Also her friends and nosy neighbors stepped to look for Shanann and the kids. This threw Chris for a loop. Running around looking crazy knowing he murdered them.
He is an idiot. Dumping their bodies where he works? How dumb can you be
Thing that scares me the most is imaging the actual murders themselves. Someone mentioned “murderous rage” and I agree...what would that cardboard box of a man look like when he’s relishing in killing his family? The fact he looked up those song lyrics tells me he must have been PARTYING at least mentally, maybe physically.
@wulfgar3000 well aren’t you a fun human. 😂
The fact that this guy is still alive and not being tortured somewhere constantly and then brought back to life and tortured again is sickening
During the investigation the only time he broke down and cried was when he realized his coworkers would find out what he did. Narcissist for sure.
His mistress worked for the same company
He did break down, with fear in his eyes. But, he pretended to cry...there were no tears.
So bizarre. He cares more about his co workers than his daughters. Legitimately his behavior reminds me so much of the BTK killer.
@@MissSpaz I don't think he was worrying about his co-workers but the view of him that his co-workers were going to get
His mask was shattered for everyone to see.. that was his only regret
I also think Chris Watts grossly overestimated his own intelligence. His neighbour had a video camera that showed Shannon never left the house. Busted. The neighbour thought he was guilty.
IMO he was gonna come home later, take her car, phone, purse, etc and drive it somewhere then report her and the kids as missing...
@@CoExist64 agreed! I think he seriously underestimated her best friend Nichole! He had not thought about anything she had planned for the next day or anything! Also I think he planned on doing something like texting people back via her phone but then he had no idea SW had changed her code to her phone (🤣😂) once he saw the code was charged it was useless to him (her phone) so he tossed it in the couch. He was a total dumb ass!
@@leampunkt3678 Yes he must have thought she and the kids were not as important as him no one not even her friends, Facebook followers would notice
The frightening thing is... had he not been so subtly stupid, he very well could have gotten away with it!
@@deniece0821 BS he was never going to get away with it, blind Freddy can tell he murdered his family b/c he is a sociopath.
If he snapped over the threat of never seeing his daughters-why did he then kill them? The creep is a liar. He didn't snap he was an idiot over some broad who gave him some.
Well, at least your excuse for that moron makes sense.
Exactly. All the information about the murders (other than the parts that are backed up with physical evidence, ie cause of death) pretty much comes from him and he's not exactly credible (understatement of the century).
@@reginaworthey1401 He never had control. He wanted out and planed it, that to me is not a "snap."
Almost always in cases like Chris Watts they never tell the full truth unless there is smoking gun evidence. For Chris it started with a murder-suicide committed by Shanann. Then him killing Shanann in anger for "discovering she murdered their daughters". To then killed Shanann in anger and so on. He only copped to killing his daughters when it was undeniable he killed them. As far as how that night unfolded in particular, we probably will never know the truth because that's Chris's last "plausible deniability" to claim he isn't pure evil and just acted in rage.
G Lion lol 😆 and Broad wanted rid of his wife and babies. And he stupidly obliged by allowing it to happen and in my opinion with the help of devil 😈 worshippers. Then the did the off and left him to take the rap. And I believe threatened his family. His wife and babies imo were a sacrifice.x
She never told him he was never going to see the kids again, that was a short-lived lie he used to try and justify his choices
You're right. She could not have prevented Chris from having visitation. That would be up to the court. If Shannan did say that, it would have been an empty threat.
Exactly, I doubt she made that threat....and even if she did, why would you then go and erase the kids from the planet, if that upset him so much?
How do any of you know what he or she said?
@@JamesHarmony well, for starters hes since retold the story and it doesnt include that detail (or story-line) anymore Secondly, he come clean about it being pre-planned for a different motive (to be with Nicole Kessinger, who he now accuses of seducing him, quoting bible verses about “bad” women) Lastly, hes a lying a$$ murderer using a tired excuse abusive men have been using for ages to justify murdering their wives
Even if she did say it, she may not have been serious. She could have been saying it to get revenge in the moment for how he had humiliated her. She may have acquiesced when she realized that her kids want to see their dad. To respond to the temporary separation between parent and child with the permanent removal of the other parent… it’s insane. It shows no empathy. He never thought about the girls when making this decision.
The only thing Chris Watts sincerely regrets is that he forgot to "take care" of his nextdoor neighbors.
Lol! :D
right on, they were awesome in helping nail his sick ass!
You are so right.
But I’ve asked myself..... Did he know his neighbors had a camera? 🤔
And Shannan's friend Nikole. She's as much the hero as his neighbour.
@@Cherry-lm9rz he did. he brought up that cars were being broken into and asked nate(neighbor) about his camera angles. I personally think he was planning this for a longer time than we realize and was checking to see how far to back up his truck
“You’re never gonna see the kids again”
I believe Chris watts made this up to make Shannan look bad. We can clearly see from her texts that’s she wanted Chris and his family to be part of their lives. She was upset when his family missed the girls birthdays. She tried to go to marriage counseling. She asked her friends for advice on how to make Chris feel better. I don’t believe for a second that she would have threatened to keep the girls from him when she worked so hard to make them a happy family.
I agree.
Meh Don’t forget about the book they found I believe in her room or closet on how to fix your marriage or something to that degree.
Highly likely. We're dealing with a liar here, so maybe that phrase wasn't even uttered by Shannan. It just came off in his mouth because he was trying to justify his actions. Why else would he drove off for hours and hours to kill his girls after he killed his wife if he loved them so much and he is clearly sane? Doesn't make sense, does it?
- I feel the exact same way you do. I believe he said that to make her look bad, as well as to garner sympathy for himself. She just didn't seem to be a vindictive person.
Meh, of course.
I don’t believe he “snapped.” He planned it. He told his co-workers that he did not need them at the work site that became their graves.
yep ... there is no SNAP in a premeditated MULITPLE murder
No way that guy was being beat down by shanann! He snapped
@@natalietitus3234 Shanann was a strong personality and Chris was a complete wimp. Yes, she bossed him around and made the decisions in the marriage, but he never told her no.
@@natalietitus3234 He sent Shannan a photo of a staged dead child. You think this monster snapped????
Shanann seemed like a narcissist and her use of baby wise is disturbing. I was raised by someone just like Shanann. I was emotionally and mentally abused so I see right through her. Many other people aren't able to see it. It's exactly the same way with my own mom. People on the outside thought she was such a cool person. Chris was stupid for not divorcing her. Shanann's last days of sadness and confusion is what happens when people have had enough of the covert narcissistic abuse. These people get sad and confused when people are done, fed up and over them. She didn't deserve to die of course. She isn't the great mom and wife like people love to write about online. Those kids were victims long before they died. Chris is in prison and will never see freedom. There's a lot to be learned from this tragedy.
This is the most monstrous crime I've known in my 60+yrs of life .The murder of his children was beyond reason to me and his wife and unborn child as well.
I thought this was the most monstrous crime as well, and I'm 66. And then along came Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell, the extent of whose evil makes that of Chris almost pale in comparison. It seems the depths of depravity that some people will sink to in pursuit of sex, money, or power, is bottomless.
Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald killed his pregnant wife & 2 daughters in February 1970 Ft. Bragg NC. This case reminds me of that.
Psychopaths are unreasonable.
I don’t believe Chris was in a rage, he planned this all in advance. 😢
Bruceann Yellowega / I don’t believe C Watts was in a rage. Look at the video of him carrying his kids and dead wife to his truck. He was calm. He is a sociopath.
Bruceann Yellowega /. You might just be correct. 😢
Have you checked out the *JCS - Criminal Psychology* channel? It covers this case & others.
@@jengirl6475 If he was calm then that would point towards him being a psychopath, not a sociopath.
I think it was more like he had thought about it but not seriously. And then he raged and did it.
She definitely didn’t tell him “you’ll never see the kids again”. This is Chris Watts story, not the real story.
I agree 💯% I keep hearing that statement repeated as 'fact'..when CW is the only person who claimed this!
I don't think she said that either. But then again, it might have been something she said during the heat of a moment in an argument.
I agree. We only can go by what he said.. and if course he lies..
Sarah Smith lol even if she said that Chris still killed his kids so doesn’t matter
There was a text in which she said it. but regardless, the murder was premeditated
Hi Dr Todd, just a word on narcissistic rage from personal experience. I was married to an academically brilliant, but emotionally childish narcissist. One day he was raging and hurting me, the next door neighbor called out for him to stop and he stopped immediately and had a sheepish smile on his face while looking at the neighbour. This rage is there, but they can control it. They just 'Act' like they can't so they can justify why they are hurting you. Love your channel 👍
@@hillarybillary21 I'm sorry that happened to you, but glad you got out of the relationship. Sometimes it takes years to escape. IMO they know what they are doing, but don't know why or how they they became this way, and want to test how much abuse you're willing to take. They know they will never change because they don't want to, this fake mask works perfectly for them. It makes them smarter than everyone else. I cried and begged for hours for my ex narc to try to let go of all the mind games because his family and I truly love him. It was never going to happen. There's no hope for them.
@@hillarybillary21 Yes, you do realise it was all fiction, a make believe fairytale that you were involved in. It wasn't a real relationship, what happened didn't really affect him emotionally. It makes it easier for you to get passed that time, lesson learned (at first, if it's too good to be true, it probably is).
A word of caution, I wouldn't be alone when he brings the money. 🌷
I agree, also from experience- the narc can turn the rage, and the victim-playing on and off like a tap. It's truly evil.
If you are involved with one of these monsters, don't walk away...RUN
@@hillarybillary21 sounds like a demon to me Thank God ur ok
Dale Gribble I’m thankful to thanks
Out of all the horrific cases I've heard over the years as a father this one baffles me. I'd put myself in harm's way for my children without hesitation.
Same here. It does not compute for me personally.
Pure evil is not rational to people that aren't evil.
_Chad Doerman has entered the chat_
There’s moms that do this horrible stuff too…. Numbers are low but still shocking a parent would do this and this particular way
@@caracre women have the highest rate of child murder. The second highest is step-fathers.
Still shocking after all this time. It's almost as if he thought he would kill his family, sell his house, no longer be in debt, run off with Nicole and no one would be the wiser. When the cops walked into their bedroom and the sheets were missing, it's like really, how dumb did he think everyone was? What an animal.
Narcissist 100 percent
Yes, he was essentially caught by the time he returned home from killing everyone.He is/was extremely immature, naive and uneducated.
The really f***** up part is that if her friend hadn’t of been persistent, he might have actually gotten away with it. I mean it was so evident from the git that something wasn’t adding up. Her car is in the garage. The kid seats are also in the garage. Her favorite sneakers are still there. Her purse, the kids meds, her cell phone (turned off) all still in the house. He’s not upset, he seems to be speaking matter-of-factlly like “yeah, she went with the kids to a friends house.” Not upset or frantic in the slightest, implying that maybe everything is still there because she and the kids were kidnapped. All the alarms were screaming! But if her friend had not been persistent I believe he would be a free man today.
that's the white man for ya 😂😂😂
It's dreadful watching this monster of a man with his children specifically , knowing what he did , and people who blame shannan really do not get it about christopher watts , they are still buying into the facade , believing his lies that what he did was because he snapped, and was possessed by a dark entity ..when he is interviewed by the police he drops his voice and tries to sound emotional and distressed , that is all so sickening.
Well Chris watts wanted a new life, so hes got one now .
Now thriving with low life
this is really what happened. he had 5 weeks to pretend he was free of all responsibility while having fun in bed with a mistress. he decided he wanted out and apparently wiping out his whole family seemed like a good idea. i don't believe a word he says. he seems content in prison. not sure that will last but for now i think he's doing fine.
@@songbirdsinging1878 you are bang on ...it sure is a weird one ,unfathomable ..i heard the coming up release of the last 200 discovery is even more horrific than as been revealed to date
fran mellor I hadn’t heard about the missing 200 pages being released, where did you read that? I wonder if any of it fits in with watt’s many versions of what happened?
Danielle Jones -yes he has and he’s welcome to it.
"Don't confuse sex with love" ... where were you when I was 20?
Don’t confuse intimacy with sex either. When you love someone deeply, sex is so intimate, it goes beyond what can be accomplished with lust only. It’s extremely complex, when you really think about it. Merry Christmas 🎄
blame pop culture and religion.
@@pommiebears so true, having sex with a person out of lust has a significantly different feeling than having sex with a partner who you truly love, that why you can never buy true love with money! NEVER!!
Love is a weakness that humans have that ultimately leaves them in suffering.
Shup up tiny girl.
The dangers of infidelity, indeed. I was going through a hellish divorce during 2018, finding out in March of that year that my husband had been cheating on me since June 2016. I’m a cancer survivor, disabled with chronic pain. I would rather have gone through chemo again than the pain of finding out he was unfaithful and the subsequent demise of our marriage. We’d been together almost 28 years. Watching poor Shannan going through the same thing while being able to see what was going on between Chris and Nicole was pretty disgusting. The biggest question to me is why do a handful of men feel the need to kill their wives or entire families in order to start over with someone else?
I don’t think Chris snapped. I think he had already decided he was going to kill them at least a week before. Obviously we can’t believe a word he says about it. I really hope that he was lying about waiting to kill those girls, that they didn’t have to endure that car ride with their mother’s body. He threw them away like garbage, worse than. What kind of man shoves his children into oil tankers? Good God, what a monster.
I agree. He didn't snap. He had this planned out for at least a few weeks.
I agree. And I hope his life in prison is a living hell.
He did not need to pay child support and they call women gold diggers
Sorry for the pain you've endured with your husband, and I hope you're doing well ❤️🩹
My husband, same. You grasp at thin air trying to pull him back. It’s a horrible feeling.
The only remorse and guilt he had was for himself and the fact he’d been caught
Exactly! Chris Watts has zilch guilt, he's sad he was caught & that is all!
Exactly!
Yes!! Thank You! I was thinking this the whole time. Have u watch when during the trial, where detectives described how he murdered his children he shared no tear, but when they read his sentence he was crying - tears dripping down his face.
Anetusi Absolutely, total stone hearted pos xxx
Yep, now he wants people to think he wasn't completely vile and evil, but oh yeah, he is and should be locked away in a lion's den. His new life is too cushy and he doesn't deserve to live.
6:56 'Allegedly' told him "you're not gonna see the kids again." The alleged comment coming from a pathological homicidal sociopath. I do not believe she told him this.
Agree she never said it he is trying to explain why and the real why is he hated her and the kids!
@Mr. Gib.. Watts is a narcissistic psychopath (or at least a sociopath). You can easily tell when they are lying. Their lips are moving.
I believe he said she would never see them again and lied and said she said it. Covert Narcissistic Personality Disorder Sociopath.
Even if she did, he obviously didn’t care about seeing them again! He planned their murder for weeks!
Still blaming her even in death
"Hell is empty and all the devils are here". Shakespeare was right after all.
@Shiran Agronov Family Annihilators fit Shakespeare's devil well.
That means my friend's theory that this is hell is right.
I think Shakespeare was speaking metaphorically , like Einstein quoting "God does not play dice with the universe." The point is Shakespeare and Einstein have not much of an idea about the existence of a God and neither do we.
@@aliciascat9433 oh really? We all thought that was a literal statement. Dang dude
@@LG141602 my late mum said this was the hell where we are. I reckon she was correct too.
I lived by her family and happened to be at a gas station with them the morning they found out she was dead. It was absolutely heartbreaking to see them in shock and tears. I think I was there just moments after they found out.
Oh my Lord.
Why would they go to a gas station just moments after they found out she was dead? I listened to Frankie's testimony to the FBI yesterday and he said they were at home when they found out they were actually dead. Seeing how they reacted according to him they would nor have suddenly went anywhere.
@@PrimateProductions it was her extended family as far as I know. I think they received a call when at the station. I pulled in and saw people in a group outside and the cashier explained what was going on to me. I don't know them personally.
@@marthamryglod291 oh ok I see
@@marthamryglod291 A sad observation of our society. Honestly is auto devalued and evil is auto believed. Should be other way around but isn’t with our new now.
What I learned is from this situation... get out and then figure it out. Your safety is at risk when you are treated with indifference.
So very true. Its only when you look back you realise how bad it was.
Only because of Dr Grande I was able to realize that my father was a sadist.
I’m 45.
It’s so sad.
I had no idea.
Finally my husband pointed it out last night ...
I was in shock I could not talk
Yes that part definitely hit home for me.
sHE beLIEveD
Because Indifference means you are expendable
He was only 33? he looked in his 40s. Evil must age you
I thought the same. I'm a yr older. It doesn't help the level of immaturity just confuses things more. Ugh this is soo mentally exhausting, bless the people who had to deal with this pos.
@@michellebastiani6470 right good point
@Nuby29 he wasn't overweight for that long, I seen a high school year book picture and he looked slim but without a receding hairline and beard
I think he started doing meth. Same thing I thought. He was worn out.
Look at the Zodiac case, he aged and was sick either.
I don’t believe the 4 am conversation between Chris and Shan’ann ever took place. Why would he wake her at that hour to talk about their marriage? She’d only got back from her trip around 2 am. It’s ridiculous. The “marriage discussion” couldn’t have waited till after he finished work? I think he made that up to try to explain why his wife might have left the following day with the children, or (his plan B) to explain why he “lost it” when she told him “he’d never see the kids again” (another lie). I think he’d planned the murders for days and he killed her while she slept.
GradKat ---We know it’s was planned because he had prepared to be alone at the worksite on Monday on Friday. I totally agree there was no ‘long discussion’. He said she was crying and her mascara was running but you can plainly tell Shan’ann had no make up on at 2 a.m. when she’s on the Ring doorbell camera. I picture Chris was fuming because his wife was ‘late coming home’, putting the squeeze on his timeline.
Interesting theory. That would explain his saying Shannan didn't fight back and the lack of marks on him which supports that. I think one of the cops theorized that as well.
Agree 100% Making sure no one would be at the work site is a clear premeditation.
I do believe he has an argument at 4 am because no woman is going to arrive at home and go right to sleep when she hasn’t kiss her girls goodnight and talked with her husband who she hasn’t seen. There is a big possibility they got intimate.
@@godallowsuturns679 he refused her sex for weeks before. Why would he suddenly have sex with her the night he kills her? I get what you're saying and it's definitely a possibility but given how he was treating her. I don't think we're ever going to get the real truth unfortunately.
I’m always struck by Chris’s immaturity. Shannan was the responsible one and he was like a 3rd child.
She wasn’t responsible. CW is a disgusting psychopath but but prior to meeting Shanann had a higher paying job than the anadarko oil job and had a savings account. After marrying her she talked him out of the higher paying job to get a job requiring less hours that paid less and also drained his savings account and put the family in debt. She had bankruptcy before meeting him too. He had not. She put the girls in a high priced preschool they couldn’t afford, wanted that house and they couldn’t afford it, even with bankruptcy looming she booked a trip to Aspen for her and CW (they never made it it because he killed her). Speaking of a third child….despite the dismal finances Shanann was pregnant again.
how do you know she talked him out of leaving a great job etc To blame one person in a relationship of their finance issues it ridiculous nobody could make me switch jobs or careers and no way would i just let my partner put me in debt. He had a mouth and a mind he chose to allow that to happen. He also may of preferred the oil rig job and he made that decision. Shallow to think she had that much power and control over him and if she did then that was his pathetic fault not hers. Thats as bad as saying she pushed him to kill them too…. Smh!
His repeated use of the word "like" says alot.
To say Shannon was responsible is laughable. My 18 year old son has more sense than her, and I hope like hell if he ever gets married his wife is a better person than she was. And before you jump on me, yes Chris is a monster and she and their children did not deserved what he did to them... but don't go making out she was some amazing or even regular person.
@@hollyr8788 I arrived at the info by researching including Shanann’s own videos and people who knew her. 👋
The very idea that there was an argument at stupid O'Clock in the morning seems ridiculous to me. She was pregnant, tired and ill. She already had to be up quite early for an appointment and she got home later than expected. I don't believe she wanted sex, and I definitely don't believe she asked him to wake her at 4pm. She would have wanted whatever precious little sleep she could manage. I firmly believe she was asleep when he started to kill her
whts sad is theres millions of men who are alone who would have loved to have a wife to care for like her. I think your spot on about your assertions though.
"Stupid o'clock" indeed.
It’s been speculated that he had drugged her a couple times trying to get her to miscarry and that’s why she was so sick that day
100%
Trust me... When preg and at that hour- trust me you are out! Sex?! Bah! He started strangling her when she was sleeping... Worst case she came to, briefly, before passing but in my heart I really hope she did not. RIP innocent woman and beautiful girls
Chris’s Watts had his kids enrolled at a children’s gym that I worked at and my boss taught his daughters. I met his wife briefly. His wife was sweet and his daughters were adorable. Chris was a little aloof at times but he seemed to really care about his kids. It shocked the whole staff when we heard about the murders. He seemed so normal and acted like a good dad and decent husband.
Looks are definitely deceiving 😶
What I can tell, he is a normal and caring guy. He had a lot of pent up anger, and he was taking those patches that messes with his heart rate and testosterone. He slept about 3 hours a night for a few months. He would fall asleep will talking to Nicki. After the perfect mixture of bad things, he snapped in a fit of rage and killed his wife. After that, he lost his mind. Then he did the rest. Other than that moment, he would have never have done those things. He loved his girls. After the incident he lied to himself and wouldn't let himself see what he did. At the same time he was in survival mode. Thinking about being with Nicki still as it helped him forget his situation. This is a travesty because he isn't the type of person who would do this. It was a once in a billion event.
They all act. We have one at work. Waiting for that day. We have reported but no action until there is a physical abuse. So far it's rage, bullying and stalking.
Ami Khan everyone is a narcissist to some degree. His friends and family didn’t think he was an over the top narcissist (like Trump). The incident was a perfect storm. He had anger built up from prior events, his testosterone and chemicals were out of wack, he was using too many of those patches that made him feel like he worked out all day without doing anything, they messed with his heart, coming back from NC to high elevation may have had an effect, he didn’t sleep more than 2 or 3 hours in a few months, he was bankrupt, then he was told he would never see his girls again. He snapped into a blinding rage, lost all control, couldn’t stop himself even when he wanted to. After he killed his wife, he completely lost his mind and went mental. Maybe he had a fever in his brain from the rage. Being totally lost and not himself he killed his girls. He didn’t regain sanity until weeks later. Then he realized he lost the 2 little girls he loved most in the world.
Jeffrey Waldron your justification of all this seriously concerns me...
When i saw Bella with Chris and she looked up at him with simple adoration for her daddy the day before he murdered her I became literally ill from knowing that man could just cold blooded murder his babies.
Me too. It’s brutal.
It's so sad that i cannot bring myself to watch the Netflix documentary. Those poor babies 💔
from all family videos ive seen ...he appeared quite a normal loving father with his children. there were no signs. for him to so callously do away with them ...and then react the way he reacted afterwards. Its like he was lobotomized.
@@elaine8985 I haven't yet been able to bring myself to watch that either. Too horrible, how sweet the girls are in the home videos, and loving, especially towards their dad.
@@gorelash9056 💗💔💗
I've watched hundreds of hours of videos on this case HUNDREDS!!!! the day CW dad comes in and CW admits to RW what he did and what happened...when left alone in that room he was offered a pizza and he sat there calmly eating it like he would be eating pizza in his own kitchen...that sent chills through me
Just like Jeff Sokol. The pizza eating predator talking with Chris Hansen ha.
Indeed; this crime has become something of a ‘pet topic’ for many a soccer mom 🧔♀️
While watching his family’s photo on the table😢
Apparently he never argued back or lost his temper with her. He never got annoyed or irritated. She thought it was a quality in Chris, no that's a disorder and a warning sign.
That’s something I did get at all and what is most scary. That there was no signs.
Totally agree
Ticking time bomb
That is like Scott Peterson.
Oof. Sounds like ASPD/NPD and Schizoaffective Disorder. I really wonder the role the mistress played in this though.
I love how he says "I shouldn't be defined by this one thing". Isn't that exactly what a murderer would say? It's still about him in his mind.
I mean, c'mon--how many of us truly have never thought seriously about murdering our entire family? Sheesh--it's not that big a deal.
Very good point! 👍💫
I don't think that he's capable of really understanding why people are so horrified by what he did!
Sarcastically Deranged exactly like oh people want to take my families pics out of my cell how can people be so cruel?!
Get a grip man
@@bixler3463 The picture will not effect him in the slightest
, he will sleep like a baby
It would be interesting if you could do a video on Chris’ mom, Cindy. She’s out in another galaxy
Both mothers in law appear to be domineering matriarchs, with weak husbands
I agree! Cindy Watts is a total crazy person.
She was a narc who raised another narc...typical blame shifting and dissociative behaviour. She in a way justified her daughter in law's murder thru the hands of her son ...really scary mother who raised a monster
@Monika Azariah Shannan was also a narcissist. That leaps out from her videos.
I'm not victim blaming and no way did she deserve what happened, but she was hard work.
There is something dodgy about Nicole, also.
@@afroliciouspresents3603 I agree with that! Shannan was no angel and her constant posting on facebook and other social media platforms made Watts angry though he didn 't want to mention it to her!
Of course this is not an excusion for those horrible murders. But in my opinion it isn 't correct potraying Shannan as a person with no mistakes!
I think the passion for his mistress and the anger against Shannan grew and grew and exploded at the night of the murders. Watts obviously aren 't able to express his feelings , neither in a good nor in a bad way! This was a really tragedy and feel so sorry for the victims.
This case is so unbelievably horrific and gut wrenching sad. I still can't get my head around it.
What Chris did is probably the worst thing you can possibly do as a human. Murder your own family including children is absolutely unforgivable crime.
I’m really glad you mentioned Shannon’s suffering BEFORE the murder.
Yes, she was evilly gas-lit by that sly bastard - she suffered terribly, weeks B4 he murdered her & her babies. Tragic!
correction “their babies”
@@kathleenhebert7757 nah, it's her babies. the guy never referred to them as 'my' or 'mine'. let him have it his way, in prison. good chance someone will wipe him out there.
@@kathleenhebert7757 HER babies!! HE never cared about his daughters! Malignant narcissists like Chris only get married and have kids in an effort to make themselves seem normal... Chris was never normal, and when he met Nichol K., he wanted her, and a new lifestyle, so that is when his family's usefulness to him ran out... Idealize, devalue, discard. It's what malignant narcissists do... Chris is also a sociopath, so murder came pretty easily to him. But don't you DARE refer to those lost little girls as THEIR babies!! I can't believe your level of pettiness, correcting someone on that!!!...
Tia Marie I hope you feel better after that rant!
Fascinating analysis, Dr. Grande. This case breaks my heart, but it’s also frightening. I realized recently that my ex is a pathological liar and narcissist. We were together for nearly 20 years, and I found out that he was cheating on me for the last seven of those. He is incredibly charming but lies even when there is no need to lie. It became painfully clear to me that you never truly know someone no matter how close you think you are to a person.
I hope you're doing fine now!
@@leonora993 Much better now. Thank you for the kind wish. ☺️
Mines was SAME WOULD HAVE CLIMBED A TREE TO TELL A LIE EVIL EVIL PEOPLE...
I feel for you, healing from a nine year narcissist “relationship “ eight months narc free, liar free!
J'ai vecu pareille histoire que vous avec mon mari. Il mentait et menait une double vie, nous ne connaissons jamais les gens même les plus proches
He killed his wife in her sleep, then killed his two daughters. All in cold blood. He's evil.
How do you know, are you a witness?
@@monicalabelle953 it's a plausible theory, she had no defensive wounds on her body and we only have chris watts' word on what happened that night
He killed her in her sleep?? Woa
I believe he killed her while she was asleep also....possibly from behind... Shananns father said she was a fighter....if she was being throttled....she would have fought....anyone would...its preservation of life...shanann didnt have any self defense wounds on her body...chris didn't have scratch marks...bites...nothing....
I absolutely believe he strangled her from behind....most likely in her sleep...in her most vulnerable state, so she wouldn't fight back
Chris himself said Shanaan didnt fight
I’ve had it happen to me. I was sleeping & my ex husband jumped on me straddled me so I couldn’t move my arms. He placed his hands around my throat & kids were sleeping in their rooms. Thank god he let go. Fast forward okidd all grown we divorced. He doesn’t have any pictures of them in his home with new wife & kids. One thing I’d like to point out his planning and leaving but he already had the girlfriend place.
According to Chris, Shannon said he'd never see the kids again. I believe he made that up afterward as a last resort passion killing excuse for "snapping". He didnt snap. All premeditated, which he admitted. Sick that he knew what he was about to do and used her body one last time. Thank you for your insights,
Dr. G!
I agree totally. He planned it, he just didn’t know exactly when. But he was done with his marriage. He didn’t care if he never saw his wife and kids again, he wanted out. The new girlfriend was just the push he needed. In time he was going to get rid of her too. I mean what kind of life could they really have? She knowing he killed his wife and kids, and he blaming her. He said if he had never met NK he would not have did it. Yeah, right. I don’t believe that. Once the lust wore off and he couldn’t keep up with her….imagine the two of them pretending to be happily ever after. Not buying it.
CW is liar and a murderer so anything he says is most likely bullshit...
Dr. Grande nailed it .. psychopathic narcissist with rage & self control issues, probably zero sexual impulse control, who engaged in extramarital affair. Irony is that he looks just NORMAL guy!!
@@brendab.5111 Being 70K in debt, declaring bankruptcy, he might not have told the mistress all about that.
Having a whole family go missing, people are not just going to look the other way. I cant believe he thought he would get away clean, with his lame stories, and smiling as he told those stories.
He was sunk from the get - go.
Her car was home, her purse was sitting there, her shoes on ft porch, her phone, he didnt have time to try to do it properly.
@bradsanders6954 I agree. He planned it and was going to blame the whole thing on his girlfriend if he got caught. I think his girlfriend was involved but he planned it. She went along, but he planned it.
He didn't seem to have any of the red flags we are aware of to look out for in potential dangerous people, violent history, abusive, controlling, angry. I think that's what makes this so terrifying. Even Shannan's family said they never could of imagined this happening. And her mother is very intuitive. Heartbreaking and terrifying the whole thing.
He didn’t exhibit and flags because he was nothing but a weak, feminine man. Shanann was an obvious narcissist. Watch all of the footage and you’ll catch very creepy, cruel tactics she used against him. He was so weak that over time he built up an unbelievable level of rage and hatred for her. He absolutely hated her guts. All he had to do was stand up to her. Have a backbone. Tell her “no, I will not do these fake videos anymore. You will not talk to me like this anymore.” Two benefits would come of that, number 1: he would feel better for standing up for himself: number 2: she would’ve actually become more attracted to him because women want a man with a spine. She was incredibly dominant over him and she saw him as weak, which he was. Had he just spoke up, I think they’d be alive and happy. I am NOT saying it is her fault. There’s many forces at play here but a narcissist with a weak minded, submissive person is a pressure cooker. He’s definitely a piece of shit, no excuse to do what he did but I think that’s the most obvious, logical cause after watching all of the footage of them.
@@mikexxxmilly Femininity isn't a weakness, Mike. Have a nice day.
@@MaynardsSpaceship I didn’t say femininity was a weakness, however... men that display overtly feminine qualities are often disrespected by women because they pity them.
@@mikexxxmilly dude you're totally trying to twist what you said. You are implying his feminine nature is part of his weakness. How ignorant
@@mikexxxmilly I understand what you are trying to say. One disagreement though: Women are not always going to find a man more attractive because they display having a spine. It depends what he has a spine about. Both women and men can have in their minds a vision of what they expect a good marriage to include...what it looks like. If during their marriage Chris didn't want to do things that for Shannon were not negotiable, she could have found it difficult to accept. In other words, if he had a spine to stand up against things she really valued, they were always going to be at a crossroads.
That said, the fact that she had written a letter and composed a speech to her own husband, which she had sent to a third party to look at, says to me she was desperate. So it says to me that he was ALREADY laying down the law. Not only in action by not paying his wife any attention, but probably defending it to her face in conversations. To write a letter and compose a speech, thereby moving on from normal conversation, she was either 1) desperate to make him understand her point of view to get her way (persuasion or manipulation), or 2) desperate to show him they could be the couple they once were (completely reasonable) or 3) wanting to show him she could change (caving or adjusting because of desperation). I have not seen the letter or speech.
Dr Grande brings up such a good point, the utter sadness for Shannan the last weeks of you her life. She knew something was wrong & was so desperately trying to save her marriage wondering what she had done or what she could do to make it work. She reached out to her friends & was completely honest with them regarding her part in the failings. SMH her last weeks truly were sad.
I know!! It’s absolutely heartbreaking! I wish she had fought and killed him instead! If only she had known WHO he really was....
@@TangledTrueCrime: Shanann had some awareness of danger from Chris; to a friend she had texted that she was afraid for her unborn. Mrs Rzucek must have had a subconscious sense that Shanann was in danger: Mrs. Rzucek awakened in a fright the night that Shanann got back home in Colorado.
What she had done??? Belittling and abusing him emotionally shannon. She led him right into the arms of another woman. Then she panicked. Her fantasy world was going to be figured out. Unfortunately what happened was Horrible...smh
What about huge debt? How did they manage to get into debt and decide to have a third child?
@@colenexoxo8939 Belittling and abusing him emotionally Shannon?? First time I heard about it...
It was very damaging and painful for Shannan being pregnant and being cheated on by her husband, that's so true. That alone in itself is heartbreaking.
I use those exact words
Love my medical field. :)
@@tamekkaknuth9612 what
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This case has always stuck with me and over the years I find more and more information about it. They were planning on naming their baby Nico Lee Watts and now hearing that’s pretty much his mistress’s name is just another f’d up part about this case
Wow. WTF.
Where was this shared?
It was Shanann who chose that name, not knowing, of course, that that was the name of Chris’s mistress or that he even had a mistress
@@meme-bu8qu I heard that on the Grizzly True Crime videos about this case. She was doing a deep dive into the case. Naming his son after his mistress is beyond cruel,it’s evil.
I never heard that Shannon chose that name. Are you sure that’s true? It would seem too strange considering Nico Lee is like Nicole.
@@meme-bu8qu Whoops- sorry! It wasn’t you who said Shannon chose that name 🫢
it’s actually pretty believable he’d be evil and sickly vile to that extent given that, while shannan was on that business trip, he sent her a picture of a blow up doll with a sheet over it saying it was their daughters idea to apparently creepily see her reaction. he seems like that sadistic maniac no doubt about it
Just watched the new Netflix doc on this. The footage of Chris with his daughters made my skin crawl.
Gotta give props to the lie detector investigator. How she still could act humanely to Chris-giving him the out when she asked him if the reason why he didn’t want to talk was because his wife actually was hurting the kids-was probably the single most important act in getting Chris to finally admit he killed all three.
Imagine how Chris felt when the lie detector operator was telling him that he would be a fool to take the test if he did have something to do with the murders.
She had to watch him bomb each and every question that had to do with the deaths and still she was trying to keep him relaxed-rubbing his back and shit. Played Chris like she was first chair violinist for the NewYork Philharmonic
Bravo 👏👍
Tom Hawkinson, when Bella was singing My dad is a hero, was heartbreaking to watch, especially when you knew what he was going to do.
Vinnie 1505 I honestly did a lot of the 10second fast forwarding on those scenes. Creepy as hell.
And then how he ended up killing them? It’s absolutely nuts picturing the girls in the backseat-dead mom at their feet-cruising for an hour to Chris’ worksite.
If you want more, please watch "Jim Cant Swim (JCS) , he analises the whole interogation
Also Chris is dumb as rocks
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.
*What unreal about the watts case is you can watch the whole thing from 911 call, to guilty, to post prison interview all on the internet*
The only one I wish we could of seen is the handcuffs being put on him. If they have it I don't remember seeing it. Let's not forget the phony news interview or the neighbor showing himself on video camera!
@@RR-bd4jp the nerve of him , with that fuckin bullshiit news interview
@@TheTERMlNAT0R Yeah I remember watching it live thinking he did it
The grass is not always greener people and if it is, it's fertilized with bull$hi+!
Wow, great addition to old age saying 🙂👍
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Bravo 🏆
So true
@@TheRubberStudiosASMR nice victim blaming. Yeah, her fault he murdered his kids 🙄
This is a case that's always fascinated me. Being a family man, I cannot fathom ever committing such atrocities, thank you for covering and analyzing this case.
Definitely no remorse from what I read he killed the youngest first. Bella pleaded with her father, begging him not to do what he did to CeCe. Her pleading didn’t even snap him out of it, that’s cold and calculated
OMG !!!!! Life in prison is not enough punishment for this heartless , soulless savage That poor little girl :(
cathy Gray Bella said exactly that, too. Of course, that’s according to Chris, but I’m thinking that’s one thing he said that WAS true, because it sure doesn’t make him look good.
JR 😢😢😢😢
Oskar Ryberg you don’t need to be a psychologist to he able to tell that a person killing his 4 year old daughter after she pleaded him not to, after driving for 45 minutes to kill her and her sister and mom is not someone that “just snapped” but someone that is just evil and vile. I don’t see how you could ever say otherwise.
@Brad Sinacore I agree with you Brad. This savage had no feelings. He only knew the feeling of lust. The only justice for what he did would be if we could see the proof, of him burning in hell for 100 years. And we can not see any proof of that, so justice for his wife and three children and the pain he caused her parents and brother, will never be enough justice for this savage :(
I have two daughters and I would not be able to stop crying for a year if something happened to them. He is a monster.
You are showing symptoms of crazyomania .... Dr Grande !? Please say what you think 🤔
Not an appropriate reaction for this video, I know but awww... how sweet 😥
That’s kinda why I can’t totally understand his motive. Kill wife one thing he killed his kids as if he also hated them ? So many things about this I can’t understand , I often though parents loved their children.
@@Mystery207 Monsters only Love themselves.
A yr is that all I’d be crying foreva🥺
It's cruel when the person you completely trust is conspiring against you behind your back and you can't figure out what's going on,
Psycho gets homicidal when told he'll never see his kids then proceeds to kill them and never see them again. I find it hard to believe that he had never displayed impulsive rage in the past toward his family.
He was worried about co-workers if he torched his work as he had killed his wife and was g oing to kill his daughters.
@@Kimber123 it’s a post construction. She never said that. He wanted to get rid of his family to move on with his mistress. Shannon was the one that was clinging on to hope and wanted to work things out.
@@Kimber123Oh please. That gets thrown around all the time in divorce & marital issues. That doesn’t justify straddling your wife & choking her to death. A normal reaction is, I’ll see you in court then. Chris Watts was just waiting for a “reason” to get rid of his life & family. All for a piece of tight ass. Terrible & disgusting. There’s a special place in hell for people like Chris.
@@Kimber123 she should have never said that to him...? Does that justify his actions to you? Does his behavior seem like a reasonable reciprocation to you? Im confused on how, out of this entire story, that was your takeaway? Please tell me I'm misunderstanding.
@Kimber123 got it, so you don't actually have an answer. You're just up in the comments being a jerkish troll. Nice deflection, though, calling my question stupid, it almost made me L-O-L.
Thank you for the smile!
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This is a perfect example of “sleeping with your enemy”
In one documentary about this case I heard a great definition for Chris: "family annulator". He simply had a desire to completely annul his marriage, including the children that resulted from that marriage. In his selfish and narcissistic brain, he wanted to start life anew, as if the episode of his marriage to Shannon and the children he had with that woman never existed. That is why a simple divorce was out of the question, because a living ex-wife and children to whom he pays alimony would ruin the romantic image where only he and his mistress exist, and it would be a constant reminder of his failed life choices. I believe that he is a classic case of a spoiled male child who is approved for everything and who has learned that his rights are above the rights of others. He received the deserved punishment, and his mistress, who tried to build her happiness on someone else's misfortune, will surely be punished karmically.
This makes senseeeeee
What is an annulator? Do you mean annihilator? If you’re going to write something, at least spell it correctly. You have the computer right there!
What goes around comes around and no one can mock Jeh God and be blessed.. Yes, they reap what they sowed in due time.
@@lisaperlstein9172 we all make mistakes..it was a honest mistake...people have been typing on phones for while and hit wrong key..
Total annihilation.
The way you can hear on the recording from the cops where the neighbor was like, "Hey, Chris, how ya doin'? Nice weather, huh?" (Not literally a quote, I'm just paraphrasing to point out his general attitude)
*Until* Chris walked away, then he immediately turned to the cops and was all, "Y'all need to look at him, because that man ain't right!" I think we all hope all our neighbors are as great, and are paying as good attention, as this guy
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The best kind of "nosy" neighbor ever, using his powers for good!
Yeah I saw that, he had him pegged. Also that porch interview was just so wrong, everything about it was eerie.
Mad respect to you, Dr. Grande for diving into this. It’s so dark, cold & brutal. I’m just now looking into this case but only a little bit because it’s just too much. For the longest I couldn’t at all. 💔😩
The whole “never gonna see the kids again” and “snapping” is Chris’ story. Unfortunately Shannan can’t be here to give her side of the story. Chris’ story also at one point was such that Shannan killed the kids and he killed her. Evidently he’s done much to shift the blame on his dead wife, rather than taking responsibility for his actions. It’s likely he just decided to kill her after months of planning a life with his mistress.
Very well said!
Chris stole the scenario of Shannan killing the girls from the female crime investigator who administered the lie detector test. He picked up that suggestion from a female “in authority” and lied that that was what occured. Chris had to be told what to do by women, starting with his most unpleasant & devious mother, Cindy. Chris needed for Shannan to be the Alpha in the dynamic between them that is until he replaced her with his next source of Narcissistic Supply, Kessinger! His life with Kessinger would have devolved rapidly too as she was very controlling, but also with a much less positive value system than Shannan.
We'll never know whether she threatened him with that, but I could see how a father would get enraged at hearing that - to the point of killing, no, but it's not right for a woman to use this as a threat. If he didn't love her, why would she want him.
To me, his lies are so obvious. He cared so much about his kids that when she said “you’ll never see them again”, he snapped and killed her but after the supposed rage was over, he calmly strangled those babies to death. When I was going through my divorce my son was three years old. My narcissistic and cruel ex-husband told me if I divorced him he would take my son somewhere I would never find him. We had to sneak out in bare feet late at night by rolling the car out of the driveway. I was afraid for a while, but then I realized that it was all just an attempt at control. He never even attempted to visit his son let alone steal him after that. I guess I should consider myself lucky that in that way he was just a narcissist, and not a psychopath like Chris Watts. Ironically my name is Shannon also.
@@Kimber123he wasn’t threatened with “that” by shanan at all. It’s utter 🐂💩
I’m pretty sure the last little girl asked Chris ‘are you going to do the same to me’.
He replied- yes.
What an absolute scumbag how could you that’s just heartbreaking 💔
He said she did ask that but he never claimed he said yes...he said he couldn't remember if he did or if he didn't answer her.
@@PrimateProductions that’s incorrect he did answer, it’s in the interviews of him posted on TH-cam.He said something along the lines of “ I’m not sure if I either said yes like a horrible person or simply nothing in response to her asking me ” he claims it’s one of the two
@@surpriseme3928 what he actually said word for word was
_"I don't even remember what I said. I don't know if I said yes like a horrible person or if I just put that sheet, that blanket over her head and did the same thing"_
So what you just said in your reply (and what he said) and what you implied in your first, original comment, that he definitely said YES is definitely NOT the same thing!
He’s a piece of S$&T that should have been PUT DOWN. It’s so sickening. He had a job, he could have seen his kids if he wanted, he had a girlfriend, just get a DIVORCE!
Not true! The sad fact of the matter is that he coldly responded to her: “Drink more Ovaltine.”®️
Chris Watts face when she surprised him with the "I'm pregnant again " video said it all :(
Yes. That one broke my heart. She was so happy and any normal man Who truly deserved her would have been too.
She was on Facebook way too much seeking attention.
Probably because of the marriage. I'd lose my shit
Mastashake yeah i wouldn’t want a wife on social media that much either. privacy with your family is very much needed but so many women need that attention from anywhere they can get it
Yeah he definitely wasnt happy about the baby cause he had been talking to skank by then.
Yea..he goes " wow "
This blew through Colorado like crazy! My brother was a detective on this case; multiple agencies worked it & knew he did it as soon as the T. V. interview aired 😐
What a coincidence! I was the presiding judge! 🧑⚖️
If there's an Oscar for best TH-camr in the category 'Mental Health Topics, based on Scientifically Information',
Dr. Grande deserves to be the winner.
There's the TH-cam Webby awards that have a health and fitness category. I voted for Dr. Grande last year or the year before.
www.webbyawards.com/about/categories/#social-544-12166
@@Dawnseeker2000 Thank you for letting me know. I didn't know this exists. I will use it to vote for Dr. Grande 🙌
@@pocoeagle2 Oops, it's the Streamy's, not the Webby's: www.streamys.org/categories/
@@Dawnseeker2000 Aah, ok I got it. Thanks
Definitely stuck to the REAL DISCOVERY which is 100% all can be done here. I hope when the case starts to crack further, as I see it just about to do, ... a different set of characters may emerge & in that case, I would like to see how you ... alter your perception & dx’s.
It is a truly gripping & sad case despite how one looks at it.
Dr Angelina
Love the subdued/subtle anger Todd has in his voice while talking about Shannan being emotionally tormented/confused and the poor woman trying to save her marriage... all while it was only a few weeks before her murder 💔
Maybe it`s an oversight and I missed you saying it, but he contacted his coworker the day before telling them he is going to the site alone and made sure no one was going... So I doubt he snapped over not seeing the kids. He wanted them gone.
Eh it’s possible both things occurred. It’s not uncommon for a jilted wife to threaten the husband with never seeing the kids again. Of course, that’s never the wife’s call to make-only a family court judge can decide that.
Also, I disagree with others that sate he was a psychopath. Homicidal psychopaths are usually very calculating and plan out their murders very carefully..unlike sociopaths who seem to be more impulsive and sloppy. Also, in that one police cam video where Chris is in his house with the neighbors, Chris seemed very jumpy when the cop radioed into dispatch right in front of him. That’s not common for psychopaths, who usually remain very calm even when a traffic cop wants to search their vehicle and they have a dead body in the trunk (the classic example demonstrating psychopath’s preternatural calm).
Definitely a narcissist but I think he’s more of sociopath than a psychopath.
He dug the grave for Shannan at this time I believe.
@@alexblaze8878 From what I have researched, it's psychopaths that are more tilted and it's sociopaths that are more composed.
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@@eiffelviolet hmmm, I see sociopaths as being driven to anti-social behavior by their environment (usually a really bad childhood) whereas psychopaths are simply born that way..
I equate sociopaths with being unable to control their anger and lashing out in criminal ways whereas a psychopath can be devoid of anger and still chop you into pieces just for the sheer thrill of it.
I could be wrong though.
Anyone who defends a guy who murdered his two baby daughters is pure evil
I appreciate your empathy and sympathy. When you were talking about the wife’s text messages and drafted letters, I could also feel her pain. It saddened me.
I’m shivering when I learnt the details, I can’t possibly imagine what those girls have gone through, gives me nightmares on what could happen to my own, I can’t imagine how sick someone would be in order to kill toddlers, let alone their own, and probably not under rage. There’s more horror to this than horror movies.
Mostly things in real life are more horrific. Because they are real. I still believe CW mistress was more of a player that was said at the time. In a way it would be good if CW'S mistress was investegated more thoroughly, but in a way let the poor "girls' and Nico 🙏 In the end she has to live with this horrendous crime with people judging her for the rest of her life. If she cares that is. I mean she was interfering in a damaged marriage. Hands off. At least until there is a complete loss of hope of saving a marriage.
Adultery never ends well
Never!
Ever!
A whole word
Erm... maybe but it usually doesn't end like this?
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There are a lot of similarities between this and the murders of Lacy and Conner, Both wives had that bubbly, in control personalities. Both wives were pregnant and both husbands had weak egos and both had mistresses.
Lust is the the common thread. Nothing good comes from lust.
Interesting analogy.
@@blueseptember2174Exactly. Reminds me of this bible verse. And it’s EXACTLY what happened. (He probably murdered them, because he could have gotten a divorce. But no he didn’t want child supoort or to lose his house and things)
James 1:14-17
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Other people have compared Chris Watts to Susan Smith. They are both terrible actors and people never really suspected Chris or Susan of being capable of criminal acts; on top of that, they both wanted to be with their lovers and saw their children as obstacles to their desires. I would also add that it's a bit of a stretch to note that they are both from the Carolinas. While Susan Smith pleaded Not Guilty to killing her sons Michael and Alex but was convicted of her crimes and sentenced to Life in Prison with the possibility of parole after thirty years; Chris accepted a plea bargain wherein he agreed to plead Guilty to the charge filed against him in exchange for not being sentenced to Death Row. With regards to Susan Smith; she added racial tension to the story she gave to the police and the media by claiming that a black man had stolen her car and abducted her sons. While it makes me angry that Susan decided to play "the black man did it" card; I can understand why she did that: Susan thought that because she was a white woman who lives in the South, the police would automatically believe her claims. Fortunately the Sheriff of Union County, South Carolina treated Susan's story with suspicion from the get-go.
I'm now even more convinced that he never had any love for those 2 little girls. Looking at footage of the family the emotional detachment is actually crystal clear.
agree, he's a textbook malignant narcissistic sociopath, a robot mimicking being a human and having normal emotions
You’re right. He is completely emotionally detached.
Truer words were never spoken. Totally agree with you.
Exactly and he mimicked Shannans entire personality but most of us can see he was just going through the motions. I believe he google searched "how to act when someone tells you they love you" that right there tells me that he didn't know how to have organic human emotions. He is just a blob of emptiness.
I watched the Netflix documentary about this case, which included a lot of video footage. There's a scene in the airport where he's welcoming home his girls after their time away. It's so so cold. He literally is a blank slate. It chilled me right to the bone.
The early morning conversation with wife could have been made up to make the murder look less premeditated . After all the guy is full of shut. The lack of struggle suggests he attacked her while she was asleep.
I believe he probably drugged her the night before, he had already decided to kill them all.???
@@aliciamesa5314 Big possiblity.
Of course it was. No chat, no sex, no talk about their relationship, no rage. He just up & murdered her.
This is a horrifying case. My heart hurts for his wife and children.
She was not his wife to him, she and the children were a liability that he wanted to be rid of. There was never any love that he felt for those precious souls as he was incapable of it. He never loved that other female either, how long would she have lasted. And what woman with any self respect would behind an affair with an obviously married man with young children? She is disgusting. I want the other prints to bide their time and then make him suffer, the way he did to that beautiful precious soul carrying his baby, and those innocent sweet loving little children who loved their “daddy”. He is one of the most disgusting repulsive things on this planet and his soul is beyond redemption. Makes sick!!!
@@shininglightstar843 I watched a Dr Phil interview with the Rzucek family and it was heartbreaking to see how much Shanann's brother is suffering over the loss of his sister and nieces. 😢
The craziest part about it to me is how little he revealed that side of himself before it happened. I would think that there would have been signs. It seems like Shannan had zero clue that he was capable of this kind of violence. I wonder if Chris himself knew he was capable of that sort of thing.
Thank you for covering this without sensationalizing it.
There is no cure for the psychopath or narcissist. If there's a narc or psycho in your life, please try to find a way to leave as soon as you are able. It will save your life.
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@Melissa Faye It is true that its not their fault they have it, and I feel compassion for that. It's very sad. But it is still incumbent upon them to seek help. Even if they aren't overtly violent, they can be dangerous in the sense that they can drive others to suicide among other issues like PTSD, major depression, substance abuse, or stress-induced diseases. They absolutely are dangerous, and you can't love them out of it. If they refuse to seek help, all you can do is love them from afar and save yourself, because keeping them around can kill or seriously harm you.
Okay... Help.
Help.
Jesus Christ is the cure
Shan'ann did not say "you're never going to see the kids again." I don't believe his account or really anything he says.
I agree. If he was driven by the thought of leaving the marriage, wouldn't he be pleased to not have anything to do with the children? I don't believe that Shanann said this. It just sounds like another one of Watts' lies.
@Susan Darby....You can always tell when a narcissistic socio/psychopath is lying. Their lips are moving.
If she did say it, it was in the heat of the moment, and that would have been understandable.
I agree.. He seems to have premeditated everything..
I love the way you articulate your thoughts! So tranquil and educated 😍😍
Totally agree.. May be three years but his messages are timeless and we learn a lot. He knows what he is talking about, has confidence that compels close attention.
There's something about this case that's really unsettling. There have other cases where a parent snaps and kills their family but for some reason this case leaves me in kind of a 'fog' of disbelief after I hear about it .
Why is this one different to you?
You're right it is. It's taboo to even discuss it with any sense. Just read the comments lol he's a liar but he's believed when if fits the narrative of the listener. It is bizarre. There's police footage of almost every single aspect. Police footage was released almost immediately. He never complained about his family. Kids were sleep trained. Just so much. Now let the abuse start roflmao.
For me it's because I can relate being similar age, I have fb friends in mlm's so those videos are normal. And because he wasn't violent in past and just a psychopath in plain site, it really scares me. Like other cases, some people would not be surprised. But this one.. he just lived 'normally' then did the most horrific act to his family. I feel like if the affair was longer it would make sense, in some weird way. I read and watched everything on this case, so much so I had to take a break from the internet as it was disturbing me so much
Indeed.
I think part of it is how hard Shanann worked to make their family great; all of those videos of the good days & bad; contrasted by the affair, that video at the beach, and what awaited her when she entered that house for the last time.
It's a lot to absorb.
It must be unbearable for her parents & brother...
@@tessajones9393 me too, could there be st spiritual here, its def the most strange abnormal case in history, a seemingly normal man kills all his family
I recall watching video of Chris watching his two daughters playing and I noticed that he sat very still, not moving or expressing any emotion at all, almost as if he was staring at them totally disengaged. It creeped me out.
“Low Affect” is what this is called. Psychopaths do not emote properly. They remain calm in strange situations. Shannan was an attention seeking narcissist herself, just look at her Facebook posts.
Mega cringe for the rest of us 🤦♀️
There were a lot of videos and photos where he has this dead cold glare like a shark, in alot of other videos cw seems as if he’s trying to appear like he’s enjoy being around his family but it doesn’t feel genuine, near the end he was completely disconnected in the background just physically there but not connected or showing any interest or feelings. I saw a guy on a boat seemed to take notice of his disconnected behavior
Yes, he was faking being human LIZARD BOY Chrisssypoo
@@zanyyetreal8123 absolutely, excellent comment...
When Chris Watts confessed the murders to his father I found it odd that he didn’t seem all that shocked and horrified. Maybe his dad saw glimpses of evil in young Chris
His parents barely seem to care at all other than about poor Chris. They are sick in the head too
No.emotion cuz.its.a.psy open. Wake up people
@@nickburns9860 what would be the point of that though lmao
Chris' dad appeared to know about the affair as well..
Or maybe he just love his son
He couldn't afford a divorce and child support. He was just getting rid of stuff he didn't want anymore.
Now he's got three hots and a cot.
REALLY?!!!!!!??? 😡
@@bellesterbeatty3571SHUT UP!!!!
After watching the footage of Chris with his kids, his face said to me that he never really enjoyed them, like he was just going through the motions. There was never complete Joy on his face. It was as if he was a complete stranger in his family's life. This case is fascinating as it is tragic.
Yeah, that’s how my dad was I always realized. And now I’m taking him to court for all the abuse that happened all these years so what do you know. All I can tell you is yes, they truly are strangers, and the scariest part is realizing they tricked you all along into thinking they weren’t. I’m really suprised we got away and got lucky.
@@lekiddo821 my sperm donor put on several mask...he beat me for no reason other than take out his problems on me. He blamed me for my existing. NEVER told me he loved me or say sorry.
Chris was detached from his kids. During the interrogation he constantly referred to them as "these kids" instead of "my kids".
@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags Sorry.
He wanted a son.. I've noticed knowing a few narc. and a sociopath - even if they have a doughter, son is only child they care for. I think that is bc they all hate woman (Mother issues)
*calculated. He was visibly not pleased with the news of baby number 3.*
wrath of the lamb
But according to his friends he was the one who wanted another child?
@@daphneclifford8684 *watch the video when she surprises him. It's plain to see he is not happy but he fakes it.*
I agree. When you watch his reaction you can see his disappointment then he covers it up very fast because he was being recorded.
I think he was jealous it was a boy! Plus he wanted insurance payout for a new life with his gf. He also dud by want her to know she was pregnant. Him and his mother are the same
Yep! He wanted OUT Not in deeper.
It is interesting that ppl take his story at face value- the whole “you’re never gonna see your kids again” angle. Likely a lie to sort of justify him “snapping,” as he put it. Liars lie.
ha ha ..there is no SNAP in a pre-meditated MULTIPLE murder
Exactly. People don't understand what sociopathy means.
Surely Shannan knew that this was an impossibility in the law. Chris was the father of her two little girls, and he would never have been denied visitation unless she could prove he was somehow unfit. Since at this time he had just admitted to no longer being in love with her,and was distancing himself from her, he had shown no signs of being the monster he became.
True. His excuse is ridiculous.
Yes I don’t think this man understands this whole story, this is Chris’s version of it ,the evidence says otherwise. It was clearly premeditated,Chris didn’t snap
This is the case that made me never watch or read about crime again. I even switched from Forensic psychology studies because of it. What he did to those children will forever stay with me.
Or in others words you watch TH-cam videos while eating snacks🙄
@@TransKidRevolution you ok? Need a hug?
Dr Grande’s attention to the sadness of this case is very touching. This was a tough video to watch.
I hate this disgusting case. It makes me feel like throwing up.
Agreed. It upsets the hell out of me
As does the Powell case
So what makes you listen
@@douglasmowat7143 the same thing that makes cars slow down on a highway to observe a bad car accident
It makes me feel anxious, I already have anxiety but this case heightens it 😭😭
I don't think he was in a rage at all, he later said he knew he was going to kill Shannon that morning - about 16 hours before he did. This was premeditated so thank god he was too stupid to get away with it
Tracy H,You are absolutely gorgeous 🌷🌹🌺,hope you are not with a narc 😈!
@@christianpulisic7784 Well thank you 😊❣
I'm not a narc, nor am I with one lol 💐💓💐
Being a behavioral psychologist this is the video I was searching for. Thank you
No you're not
That guy has always angered me for what he did to his innocent children, one of them not even born yet. Finding out that he giggled to himself after lying to the police is infuriating. I hope he meets with some prison justice sooner rather than later.
Nah. It’s worse than that. He’s not in general population. He’s in confinement. 23 hrs a day, probably 24 now with COVID. And as his mind slowly slips away, I’m sure his daughter’s last words are there with him, bouncing off those hollow white walls. Knowing his mistress threw him under the buss so readily has to sting too.
R@pe isn't a punishment. That's rly rly fucked up don't do that
Me too. It burns me that he destroyed lives who depended upon him, lives who adored him. Having said that, Eastern philosophy doesn't encourage or propose judging, let alone getting angry. Before anyone said that's BS, doesn't it say the same in the Bible? Judge not. It means don't judge. You don'thave the authority; authorityis with God.(Mather 7 & James 4:12)
Knowing/acknowledging evil but not doing it ourselves.
This is where my awareness is limited ...
what he did also to his wife ...why not mentioning her ? He killed her.
What's equally upsetting is that his in-laws did not want him getting the death penalty so that he has to live with what he's done. First of all, it's not like he'd be put to death the next day. It takes years for that to happen and that is what he should get. Though he'll spend his life in prison, he's still alive, could even re-marry, etc. That was very wrong that they were so outspoken about him not getting the death penalty.
You should take a closer look at Chris' mother, she has a lot of issues that are not well hidden at all.
His mom is wack job
@@bbwsmashchamp235 which clearly explains what made him 😩 wonder who his dad is...
His moms crazy
The apple dos'nt fall far from tree. Ya Cindy She thinks Shannan brought it on herself almost deserved it. Ya cuz they had to deal with the Mom's disrespect regarding Nut allergy is a perfect example of her (Major boundary problems). So u can see were Chris gets it. He does NO WRONG in his mother's eyes (Big problem). She defends him. Never liked Shannon threatened by her taking her place in her son's life. Like she would have preferred to birth the grandbabies. She's a sick ticket. And her Son is sicker. Not to mention Nikki she's A real piece of work!!!!!
Cops shoulda put them both away.
@@bbwsmashchamp235 Wack Job! Lol To the point.
Very insightful. There's an interesting fact about Chris Watts: he lost a lot of weight and became very muscular. And then he attracted Nichol Kessinger. People say he was very introverted in the past. Maybe this change in his appearance effected a transformation from introverted to extroverted narcissism, as he became able to effect a revenge fantasy, rejecting Shanann, the woman he had had to win over-- and ultimately discarding her brutally.
Was he overweight when with Shannon? I didn't see ANY photo of CW overweight when with Shannon. When was he overweight? Maybe less muscular, but not overweight. Are you working under the theory that he was fat and introverted when with Shannon? Note: The mistress and Shannon bore a strong resemblance.
Justine Brown's Bookshelf excellent observation. I thought of the same thing as well.
@@lori6242 he was chubby... He had no muscle definition. He was average....then he got jacked
Maybe he was an introvert because he felt superior to others due to being a narcissist.
That's so sad then he should have eaten more cake so then maybe shannan and her babies could be alive right now and maybe they could have done what should have happened and had a divorce with pathetic chris watts sad and alone and her and her children successful and glowing
I don’t why I waited so long to see this analysis. I think this was the best one I’ve heard you do. I loved how you brought up the feelings that were involved. It made me think how we all have made bad decisions that can have a ripple affect. We all need to be careful about the decisions we make and how they can affect our lives and others.
Rest assured a Narcissist doesn't care. In hindsight I consider myself lucky because I found myself in an almost identical position. My ex narc had it also planned out. I also still feel that he had also planned on killing me because beating me up and strangling wasn't good enough. He went even so far to bring his girlfriend to our house saying that she was just a friend. He had his new life all planned out already. Apart from our daughter which I feel he just wanted to raise her with her with the least minimal input financially and emotionally.
Narcissim is dangerous and please be aware especially after it ends. Police need to be better trained and lawyers
I don’t believe he ever “ snapped!”I think this was planned, then cold bloodedly carried it out.
All the different versions he’s given means he likes the gruesome fame that comes with these horrific murders. The way he treated the bodies is very telling, to actually force those little bodies into the oil batteries shows what an incredibly sick person he really is.
If it was planned it was the dumbest plan ever. He got caught in a day
I think he did plan it. What person in a rage, panicked about killing his wife drives his own children 45 minutes to tanks. Also, why would he rage against his children?
@ho lee fuk
Not necessarily. It would all depend on how well he planned it.
@@The-Mediator maybe because they held him down with his future plans? Perhaps his wife buying the girls so many clothes and toys??? Just a thought 💭🤔
@@karenking5357
Starting over with a new gf is more expensive than buying little girl clothes. 🤔🧠
He did nt love her anymore and told her that. She did nt understand that and believed counselling would help. He wanted a new life without her and the kids. I watched a video of them where he was nt keen on having another child.
At the end of the day he returned and revealed what he really was
A monster. He had numerous choices he could ve made. Instead he chose the most monstrous one🤷🏿♀️ no amount of analysis is going to change that.
anezi U ---He had been telling Nichole he wasn’t having sex with his wife anymore, news of the new baby would’ve blown that lie out of the water too.
@@judywright4241 15 weeks is about 4 months. That's a decent length of time to say you haven't been having sex with your wife.
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Thank you for validating that aside from the murder, in which Heinous in itself, the mental torture she went thru about their relationship was also part of the evilness.
My heart goes out for them babies and Shannan! This is not a human! A complete monster.. what dedication Shannan had to her family and kids! He was a unfaithful, ungrateful, creature lurking. There is absolutely no excuse for what he did!