@@user-vh5eh1fu4l They had lots of evidence but the hospital did not want to call the police in, they were protecting their reputation. They failed miserably and this will all come out in the enquiry.
@@jackdawson5273 25 suspicious incidents with one baby being proved was injected. Also the work logs the Doctor and the parents of the dead baby’s are lying ? How anyone can believe she is innocent boggles the mind. Bet your one of these people that still believe Jimmy Savile was innocent.
All hospitals do it.Whistleblowers are always silenced abused threatened and destroyed. Happened to me at Calvary hospital in South Australia when I wouldnt cover up my colleague's drug errors. All the staff knew because the person responsible TOLD them all what they had done and that I was " getting them in trouble " by making them report it. They even told the pt's Dr. Not one would speak up when management targeted me because the staff who made the mistake lied about what happened .Management knew they were lying but refused to investigate because I had complained about the bullying manager and this was her chance to get me for it.Witness who was present when it happened was never questioned and refused- too scared of the hospital- to give evidence. All my witnesses were threatened if they spoke to me about it. They refused to tell me what I was accused of!I am not the ony one Calvary did this to. NEVER TRUST NURSES OR DRS OR ANY HOSPITAL MANAGEMENT.
She murdered these babies intentionally( some with air) so yes it is utterly wrong. Maybe 1 dead baby is negligence , but 7 dead and 6 attempted murders is cover up for me. And what did the management do - forced the doctors to apologise to a female serial killer without investigating. NHS (Mis)Trust !
@paulcarroll5040 I hope you're right. Though even before a guilty verdict, the bar for dereliction of duty by refusal to engage the police in a timely fashion along with threatening the consultants has been clearly met. The fact CPS brought charges is a clear incubation management should have investigated rather than cover up. The managers could and should have been fired in disgrace long ago.
All the hardships of getting pregnant, staying pregnant (all of that is already super hard for some couples) and delivering a baby…and then this piece of work takes it all away.
Absolutely. My own pregnancy was perilous. My baby is a miracle, he made it. I cannot fathom what these parents have gone thru. Lucy is evil in a very unique way. The devil has a special place for her to burn in hell, painfully, forever.
You then have all the fears of things like cot death and illness. My niece was premature and then got viral meningitis. She was in the ICU and had 3 nurses at one point caring for her. We were all terrified and in shock. The care she got was phenomenal and it made us all feel so lucky to have dedicated and skilled people provided by the NHS. You just never imagine that there are people like this in the world. I honestly can't imagine the pain of losing a child in such circumstances. As for whistle blowing, unfortunately often places want to hush things up, there are cultures where staff have to present a positive and problem- free and high performing front. Whistle blowers get thrown under the bus. Even when people show courage and push on, so much is hidden and covered up. It's all about performance data and funding. This is the case in so many public sector workplaces. It's dreadful.
Something seems extremely off about her friend. She's appearing in a documentary defending a woman who is accused of taking the lives of multiple babies and she's just constantly smiling and acting care free throughout. Even if you thought your friend was innocent you'd still behave in a more appropriate manner considering the severity of the situation. She comes across as a very strange individual.
2.14 the Doctor is also smiling when talking about the potential of a serial killer in the hospital...could be talking about his favourite comedian if you turn the sound down..he must be suspicious too.
Out of respect for the parents and the jury's decision and the extensive police investigation, she could tone it down a bit or just refuse to talk about it.
@@violette4841 if it's a miscarriage of justice, and either someone else has murdered babies or -much more likely - the abysmal management, overcrowding, under staffing, sewage leak, bad practice among doctors and general apathy is to blame - why would she shut up? Should the families and friends of Sally Clark, Donna Anthony have shut up?
BBC journalist: "I don't know how Britain most prolific child killer should look like, I am pretty sure it's not this though." That, good lady, is the mistake everyone makes. You think killers have horns on their heads, or big noses with warts, or "bad skin"? Isn't it time for us to stop judging (I know it is a cliche but it is true) books by their covers?
@@hearmeoutbro people think just because you're college educated, look nice, etc., you're not evil. Some of the meanest people I've ever known are highly intelligent, pretty, handsome, etc. So people with brains and looks are not capable of evil deeds ? Really ? LOL
I think her friend is being played for a fool 110%. But she is in complete denial. It would be hard for anyone to imagine your best friend was responsible for something so horrid. I am thinking if it was my best friend who’s godfather to my three children. If it came out he was responsible for something so evil. I would not be able to believe it. But I think that old saying. How well do we truly know someone ? That’s the horrible thing about these case. That these vile people are undetectable to the naked eye. And they can trick anyone into missing clear indications that they are bad.
I would like Letbys best friend to name just one serial killer who presented themselves as having a double life to which people who know them would have had suspicions - it doesn’t happen because they portray an entirely different persona to people they know. Look at any serial killer - Dennis Radar, Gary Ridgeway, Ed Klemperer, Rex Huerman - the list is endless. They all lead perfectly normal lives to people around them, they all had family, friends and social lives. No one would have been alerted about the murderous life behind the facade.
It is also psychologically easier for her friends to still think that she was innocent than to admit themselves they have been fooled by her all those years they knew her.
So true. Mark Twain famously said that it's easier to fool people than persuade them that they've been fooled. He was absolutely right. I remember seeing an interview with a close friend of one of the railway killers, David Mulcahy. He was in absolute denial too. Couldn't believe that Mulcahy had murdered those women.
I disagree. There is always red flags. Their family’s are not psychologists so they don’t know but if you look into there pasts there is always a red flag. Normally with hurting animals when young or problems in school years
The managers covering this up is not surprising to me after 20 years in the NHS. Very senior management in hospitals are toxic, bullying and out for themselves. If they get found out, they get moved to another hospital to carry on. It's absolutely endemic in the NHS
The most disturbing IMO, is her asking permission from the traumatised parents to bathe their baby, after she murdered it, and they have no clue. I literally have no words for this. 💔
I'm glad the judge has protected the identify of the families - look at what happened to the families of the children who died in the Sandy Hook shooting in the US. They were hounded on social media. Its a sad state of affairs but victims of crime are targets and deserve protection.
In the UK, children's names can't be released to the public if they are involved in a criminal trial. They can be named in the courtroom, but not publicly. This age, in the UK, is 17 or below. eg. Bob has been arrested for abusing his 12 year old son, Bob Junior. In court: Bob, you have been found guilty of child abuse in regards to your son, Bob Junior. In the papers: Bob has been found guilty of abusing a 12 year old. I think Canada has something similar.
If it were my child, i would never forgive. I know that about myself. I would never recover and never forgive. This is just too great and too evil a crime.
U.S male nurse also killed a lot of older patients. The hospital did the same thing. They had a new unit in the works and did not want the news going out. I am Canadian and we had our own nurse kill many as well.
And many many more both male and female in tje UK alone. We only have records from the 1970s or so but who knows how many centuries it has been happening
I think the thing that makes Letby unprecedented is how well she managed to wear a mask compared to both of those two. Shipman had to repeat a year of study to get into medical school, while Allitt skipped classes and only got into the role she did because the children's ward was because of severe shortages. Shipman was known to be a good GP but have a temper, whereas Allitt was never seen as a good nurse while Letby was seen as a bright, bubbly person and a skilled nurse.
How can they say that you can’t get a serial killer in a hospital! It’s the perfect place to cover up murders. How many doctors and. Nurses have got away with murders that have never been questioned at the time.
My mum as a nurse, reported a doctor for making very sinister comments about euthanising elderly people. She was told to respect the doctors who were higher than her. After several complaints she moved to another hospital to be far away from him.
I must admit the doctor makes a really good point. Most of the elderly living in pain and with no cares they can trust, would vote for euthanasia immediately if this government wasn’t so woke like many liberals including yourself.
Bathing the baby she'd murdered would have been extremely enjoyable for Lucy. She got to revel in the parents grief. She would have gotten off on it. Grotesque.
This one friend in the doc is standing by her. I can totally understand her denial. It's like looking at your current best mate who you love and being told they've done this. You just would not be able to process it, so I don't blame her. That's what's so scary.
Hamlet. Act One, Scene Five: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. That one may smile and smile and be a villain. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in our philosophy." - William Shakespeare
The death rate fell after Lucy had been removed from the Unit because the hospital acted on the recommendations of a report looking into the spike in death rates. One of the medically based implementations was to stop admitting cases of less than 32 weeks gestation which obviously would result in less critical cases being dealt with there after she’d gone. However if you take a further look at the morbidity rate you’ll find that only two weeks later the rate started to climb back up and during 2017 - 2018 the death rate for the year was higher than when Lucy had been at work, but they didn’t broadcast that. They didn’t broadcast either that the neonatal, non Pathologist, non Forensic Scientist Dr Evans had been given 32 cases to review by the police, he weeded out 15 of them leaving the ones that Lucy had been present for, making it look like she was the common denominator, he didn’t explain to the jury that she hadn’t been on duty for a number of the deaths he’d weeded out or why he’d weeded them out leaving the jury in the dark with the incomplete and misleading context of the shift chart. This is just the tip of the ice berg, I thought she was guilty when casually listening to the news but when you look beyond the hype there’s a very concerning picture. The website ‘science on trial’ has many scientifically authored articles documenting the causes of collapse and death that Dr Evans couldn’t explain other than to say Lucy Letby must have done it. He also claimed that a tiny fragile baby fed on 45ml of milk ‘projectile vomited all over the nursery, all over the nursery…’ on TV showing what a wild exaggerator he is and can’t be trusted. A judge at a previous hearing had declared his evidence in that case as being totally worthless, would you trust anything said? I hope not..
@@BobK5I didn't know that. She's obviously guilty, but the way that has been left out of the reporting on the case is concerning. All the information and the facts should be widely known and reported.
Plus I can understand why her friend didn't think she was guilty. She's grown up with her and knows her character. Or thought she did. Plus it's such a hard thing to believe, that a trained nurse, employed to care for her patients and ensure their well-being and good health, would actually harm and kill them. Children and babies as well!! Doing it to adults would be bad enough, but doing it to babies that are months old?? That's disgusting, evil and abhorrent. It's also so hard to believe. Especially from someone who looks such a normal, productive member of society. Just goes to show how looks can be so deceiving......
This so-called journalist is just horrendous. She’s got this disposition that Lucy can’t possibly be a serial child killer as she is a young female so it can’t possibly be true. BBC should get rid asap
After 6 weeks on NICU with our twins who were born premature this triggers me and makes me feel so sick to my stomach. The heartbreak and torture those parents must feel is devastating, all from the hands of evil. I hope she suffers in prison.
You need someone to be interested enough to monitor/watch the recording .....the management weren't so I don't think that would have stopped any of these tragic deaths.
It’s truly bizarre there wasn’t CCTV put up. And isn’t up as standard. What can be the rationale for that? It can’t be expense. I assume it would be a privacy violation on adult wards, but not for babies. Maybe privacy for breast feeding? They put womens privacy ahead of health in the NHS nowadays generally.
A very big indicator that she is indeed guilty is the fact she didn't want her friends in court. She didn't want them hearing the evidence. Psychopaths are very good mimics. They don't know how to be, so they just copy what they see. If her friends were excited and giddy about a night out, she would reflect that back to them. It's an act so that they can hide their true nature and be accepted as normal. It's disgustingly disrespectful to the parents of the babies to declare their 'friend' innocent when they have not been in court to hear exactly why the jury found her guilty. They think it's just coincidence that the doctors noticed a pattern, then the police found more than enough to bring a case AND a jury found that evidence to be beyond a reasonable doubt. Why is your lovely, kind friend writing notes declaring herself evil? That's not something I have ever thought of doing. Have you?
Have you ever been accusing of murdering numerous babies? Or even attempted murderers of numerous babies? I’m guessing that’s a no, so how do you have any idea what is going on inside someone’s mind when they are under massive psychological stress, anxiety and pressure? Again you have no idea whatsoever? Did you watch this video fully? I’m again presuming that’s a no as the notes have already been explained by a professor of psychology. Please get back to me when you’ve got your PHD and professorship in psychology and criminology.
It's funny you mention this mimicking behaviour thing because I'm a true crime addict and I personally thought I was picking up a lot on Lucy mimicking her panic while these attacks were happening..it's like she didn't quite know how to react to she was always trying to feel out what her friends colleagues thought (the texts,the constant lurking/hovering and the lack of personal boundaries with the parents etc) just my opinion tho
Erm.... I mimic behaviour of those around me, especially people I am not familiar with. I'm no killer or psycho. Most people do that. Her notes can easily be explained, if you were accused or if patients died under your care you would feel somewhat responsible. Those things don't make her a killer.
@@devianadkar7969 I disagree! Perhaps insecure, socially uncomfortable people try to mimic in order not to draw attention to themselves....but psychopaths have to mimic emotional states as they don't actually feel anything unless in extreme states of danger or fear.
The thing about it that baffles me is that REGARDLESS if she had murdered the babies or not, THEY STILL ALL DIED DURING HER SHIFTS AND THEY LET HER KEEP WORKING THERE? Like even if she hadn't purposely been murdering them, at very least she was clearly VERY incompetant at her job.
Imagine the horror of being in that position. What would you do? Dawn is a very bright woman from what I've heard and read on her, I believe she is a researcher in treatments for cancer.
its so upsetting and then I remember what my dad said as a police officer of 40 years always used to say... "dont worry about the sentence the inmates will make them pay and pay .. it will be a living hell like no other " and so it should be
That’s why I think life without parole is the most appropriate maximum sentence compared to having the death penalty (which is the easy way out and causes unnecessary delays and compounding grief through countless appeals, not to mention the risk of getting it wrong and killing an innocent person), it’s literal hell being cemented in prison for the rest of your life and constantly watching over your back.
Not always true and especially not for women. Rose West and Myra Hindley had perfectly safe stays in prison, in fact the other inmates were afraid of them. They even had an affair.
Her friend riles me. Absolutely riles me. Lucy is vile and her friend is like naa shes kind shes the kindest person iv ever known. Behatch she killed PREMATURE ILL BABIES. How thick can a person be.
If someone told me that my best mate who I've known and loved for years and never seen them do anything horrible to anyone, had killed loads of babies, I'd struggle to believe it too. Especially if my mate was denying it. It would take years to process that, if ever. I still cant get my head around her doing it yet I believe she did. Its unfathomable rather than unbelievable
Deepest condolences to these parents. Im so sorry. I hope it is some small condolence that this creature is locked up. God bless you, and your little ones up there.
After the Atlitt case they should have been more switched on. I feel so sorry for those poor doctors who management did not listen to. They should listen to doctors as they are far more qualified than management. Appalling how they have treated these doctors and the poor doctor in the Atlitt case.
@@maggiehyder7075Wow you are a very bitter and toxic person. Doctors in many cases have to make a best estimate diagnosis if a death is unusual or unexplained. They raised the alarm and it was a nurse in a management position who forced them to apologise to a child murderer and threatened to get them struck off otherwise.
Why feel sorry for them? They missed the original insulin results in 2015 The consultant on this program blamed the pathology lab for that. You are as credulous as the interviewer in this video. Doctors are not gods. The sooner that obsequious attitude is changed the sooner this sort of thing can be stopped
I do wonder why the doctors didn't bypass hospital management and go to the police directly if their suspicions were strong enough. You don't need permission of NHS bosses to speak to the police. It does feel a little like they've come out on the offensive as a PR tactic. This doesn't make them responsible - Lucy alone is responsible - but it is worth asking if they are just trying to deflect from their own failure to act on their doubts about her sooner.@@maggiehyder7075
@@gaiadestais8087 It's tragic that nothing was learned after the Allitt case, including the modus operandi, willful institutional blindness and the aggression towards whistleblowers against a backdrop of woeful underfunding, the killer's interactions with the parents during and after the murders, the duping of friends, and the writings and documents hidden at home. Just terrible.
An unforgivable offence by Lucy and more so the Hospital for not taking her off the ward. Babies lost their life unnecessarily due to this. Nobody can begin to fathom what the poor families will have to endure because of this! My prayers and thoughts are with all the parents and extended families.🙏🏾
A former female friend of mine is definitely a psychopath, and I ain't stupid. Her own brother said the same about her. She always looks like she's having a ball in pictures and having the time of her life. Very manipulative and softly spoken too, though she's too lazy to kill and would expect someone else to do it for her. She was a psychiatric nurse but faked being ill for 2 years so she could party round the world. Thankfully she is not a nurse anymore as she left.
Don’t tell me, the illness was cancer. She faked cancer to go travel and party. Psychopaths have an obsession with cancer, as well as being very stupid. I bet she’s now a cop, journalist, lawyer or something else that a psychopath might be able to harvest energy in.
Most psychopaths don’t kill. But there are an awful lot of them around. Letby seems like a psychopath. I’d love to know more about her past and a psychological profile.
Her friends are in denial. When a serial killer is found out that fool those around them never just turn around and say. Oh I'm a serial killer! I killed babies. So her friends will no doubt duped for life.. Lucy is where she belongs.
Until hospital managers start to be held responsible for their obvious incompetence it is entirely possible for this to happen again or may even already be happening..
I have lost 4 babies to miscarriages and my precious baby girl to still birth... The pain I can tell you for myself, was indescribable. But for these parents, I can not even begin to imagine the guilt, pain, heartbreak, anger... They must be feeling. May all of you darling angels rest in peace. And may you continue to get justice for the absolutely nonsensical loss of your precious darlings. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Bathing the baby after she had just murdered him. Absolute monster. Poor parents must be absolutly devasted for the murder of their precious baby and now have the memory of her bathing him too.
So brave of the twin's parents to speak at all !!! So traumatic. I hope they see him again. RIP for now. Honest and refreshing to hear Prof Wilson say that Letby didn't fit the typical profile of a serial killer.
So, one of the twins died and one survived with brain damage, is that right? And there were triplets as well, two died (and the third was attacked but survived as well- not mentioned in this documentary but elsewhere). Or are the twins part of the triplets? Either way, particularly horrifying for those families.
Her friend trusts her so much. Someday she would have injected air on the friend too. Keeping hundreds of confidential patient handover sheets makes her a criminal straightaway.
They’re just handover notes - don’t fall into the trap of making that into a hanging offence. Too much weight was put on this and it is totally insignificant.
@@janetsmith5172 Handover notes are legal documents. They are to be put into the shredder after a shift. They contain the name, dob, patients condition and hand written notes on their health. They are one of the most sensitive documents a nurse and any other staff are in charge of. She kept them as a trophy. So the weight of her hanging on to them is justified.
No one ever really knows another person, fully. If you have the disposition to be devious, you can cover your tracks for a long time and not be discovered. I have an Uncle who previously passed away. We’re just finding out now about his criminal activities! It has become as a huge shock! To everyone affected by Lucy Letbys crimes, I wish all of you, comfort, support and ongoing healing. Nothing can ever change what this woman has done. 😫😤
I have a spinal injury and have had support workers help me at home. For years i have many of them inflict terrible mental and physical abuse upon me. In the various hospitals i was in many of the nurses were also abusive towards me.
@@anubusx that’s sick! I’m so sorry that you’ve been abused like that! No excuse for what they’ve done to you I hope you find compassionate caregivers to help you. ☮️
UNPRECEDENTED?? Charles Cullen, Beverly allit, Benjamin Geen, Heather Pressdee, Linda Hazzard and Shipman are just the infamous ones. Stupid statement.
@@74griffo for it to be unprecedented it would have to be something that had never happened before. Its something that's happened countless times to vulnerable people, children and babies in medical settings. Unprecedented literally means 'never done or known before'. There's nothing unprecedented about this crime.
@@74griffoNot only has it happened before, but it was abetted by the same culture of silence as all of those other cases. Shipman and others murdered far more people, so she's correct that it is no way "unprecedented."
I've know other women that were sneaky troublemakers like Lucy. They work very hard to never be seen doing the deed, whatever it is, and then revel in the fallout as their creations unfold. No doubt, in any way, in my mind that she harmed and killed those babies. If you know these type of Narcissists, you see all the evidence is there in her behavior. In the interview, she is doing her masking, that has been reinforced and rehearsed since her infancy. But the telltale signs are there. The very slow lifting of her gaze at one point is indicative of strengthening or fixing the mask. I am willing to bet that she had a pattern of riling up her parents similarly slyly to watch that fallout. She didn't necessarily do that to people that she wanted as friends, because she had already learned the consequence of that somewhere along the way. Friends were her cover and necessary to her existence. And they were the ones who would NEVER see the deeds because she used them to establish her cover. That's my unprofessional but experience informed assessment for what it is worth. She is where she belongs. Too bad no adult sorted it when she was just a sneaky, clever child.
I think you're right. Letby is no dummy either. It goes without saying that she would have gone out of her way to seem normal and even kind-hearted to the people around her. I think she's actually quite beautiful too, which is partly why she got away with killing for so long. She simply doesn't look suspicious or dodgy but that's just an accident of nature. There have been other good-looking serial killers, like the Ken and Barbie killers, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. Not all female killers resemble Myra Hindley in her mugshot!
I think it's so sick how a dog will be put to sleep for biting a child and yet a monster like this will get to live a full life being protected by people in the prison system and the tax payers will be paying for this monster to eat/drink and live as comfortable as possible honestly it makes me so angry and yet no one in government will ever change this and bring back the death penalty for someone as disgusting as this monster!!!!
Just because someone doesn't look like they'd be a serial killer doesn't mean they're not. And just because someone looks like they could be a serial killer doesn't mean they are. What is up with that ! She didn't look like a serial killer ?? What ? she's supposed to have horns and a tail. Just because she's white with blue eyes and is soft spoken everything was dismissed ? We as a society have got to get over that frame of thinking. I believe it's called, judging a book by its cover
Why do people need to bring race to everything these days? In this case it is indeed judging book by its cover, cause she is good looking. If anything, she looks angelic, like frescoes in christian cathedrals. Stop stirring the race conflicts where there are none! We evolved as society and it really is like difference between blondes and brunets now - noone cares! Except those obsessed!
I mean, if she was blonde blue eyed and ugly, you couldn’t say that, could you? Not all white people are good looking, hope its not breaking news. Last time nurse like this was white and british and it was way more believable cause she looked average or even unfortunate.
Holding my 12 week old baby boy close to me as I write this, I actually feel violent towards her - and I’m not a violent person. I have both sad and angry tears pouring down my face. How DARE she lay her hands on those precious little beings? How DARE she think she has the right to cause them unfathomable pain and take away their whole lives? How DARE she change their families’ lives forever? If I ever had the misfortune of coming into contact with her, I would want to kill her but wouldn’t as I have what all humans (and certainly nurses!) should have which is self control and value for the sanctity all lives, even those as lowly as hers!
exactly,that's what Shannnan Watts mother asked Chris Watts also; what right did he think he had to kill their daughter and grandchildren?? I ask the same; what's wrong with people; thinking they own the right to kill other people's children???
I’m pregnant with my final child we live in Japan and my last son born 18 months ago was a premature baby, there was cameras and all notes have to be double signed. I can understand why you feel what you feel. A mothers love is pure and true and it never goes away as the child gets older something she will never understand
The absolute biggest thing that nobody mentions is: pretty much all the women nurses in maternity wards are the bratty bully popular girls you were in school with.... What makes it even worse is they still keep hold of that sly bitchy bullying mentality. By some comments here. It's totally relevant tbh. Hospital staff should have psychological evaluations like the secret service has before becoming a nurse or doctor. Remember, a rule is in place because someone did something bad to require that rule.
Why aren't the managers that seemingly did everything to cover up these deaths in prison??? Every last one of them is as guilty and evil as Lucy Letby.
This is actually sickening!! Management are directly responsible for every single death after it was reported to them! The only thing worse is the support from her friends!!
Totally disagree. Capital punishment gives them an out. Life in prison means they suffer the mental strain of knowing they will never be free again. Also I'm sure she isn't popular in whatever facility she is in for what she has done.
My wife & I lost our first baby, therefore, I empathize with the parents who will hold grief in their hearts forever, not to mention whatever other feelings they have towards Lucy Letby. I am appalled that hospital administrators fought the medical staff when asked to remove Letby from the unit. It is a travesty of justice said administrators will never be held accountable for keeping such a dangerous person in the unit and able to access vulnerable patients, thereby killing them.
I believe that she is the female serial killer who did not get away with it. I will assume there are quite a few female serial killers out there, but they only kill occasionally over the years. Something that can not be registred in the statistics as an abnormality.
Definitely. There’s huge bias in favour of women in society and the criminal justice system. Just look at her friends and how they are still defending her.
I always feel so infuriated when friends or family members defend these pieces of evil. And think that because when these people are with them they act so nice and fun. So caring. So kind. They couldn’t possibly have committed the crime. OBVIOUSLY they act like that around people. They have to wear a mask. They have to look like good people. So that nobody would ever suspect them. Are these people really this blind? And why on earth is this woman sat smiling and so happy talking about a child killer? She makes me feel sick. Even if she thinks her friend is innocent. She should not be sat there smiling like she’s having a great day when talking about babies deaths. On a tv show that some of the parents are also appearing on. And all of the parents will see. How inappropriate to sit there looking so pleased with herself. Disgrace. Honestly I would be ashamed to know Lucy Letby. I would not be sat grinning like the Cheshire Cat on tv talking about how nice the woman is.
Maybe take a good friend of yours and imagine the same level of crime suddenly put on them, would you just accept their arrest and what they did? If you say they would never do that, then you are just in the same position as the friends.....
@@lozzylols yeah I’d accept the arrest and what they did,, I wouldn’t sit there saying no while the evidence clearly says yeah ,, like I said… delusional.
Her behaviour during and after these events points to somebody who was getting some kind of reaction out of the grief of these parents. Inserting herself into those grieving moments with the parents ..even when the patient wasn't hers..to the point where she had to be asked to leave. Her over friendliness and attachment to many of the parents and babies involved. The sympathy cards afterwards which she took and kept pictures of the words she wrote to them. The keeping of handover sheets. The searching for them on fb months and even years afterwards. What struck me most was how many times a month she searched for people on fb. Well over 200 times per month. That's not normal behaviour. That is the behaviour of someone who is quite voyeuristic and nosy by nature. Her constant musing in those txts to colleagues about the deaths and fate being involved. Then her scrawling about how she would never be married or have children of her own.
@cameupstarvin7351 the insulin with peptide c is what convinced me tbh. The rest of the circumstantial evidence in conjuction is too strong in backing up the case for serious criminality.
@@Elizadoolittle1948 The insulin poisoning allegations against Miss Letby are based on deeply flawed medical science. The insulin concentrations recorded in both infants are so high that they are only seen in cases of fatal insulin overdoses of adult human beings, not preterm neonates. Yet both children survived and have not been reported to have suffered any consequences. It actually appears the blood samples provided for testing were too concentrated. When this happens the blood test will bring back an artificially low C-peptide reading and in some instances no C-peptide reading at all (called 'the Hook effect'). This brings into question the validity of the blood tests themselves, neither of which appear to fit the conditions of standard medical practice. Insulin and C-peptide are formed from proinsulin. In neonates the concentration of proinsulin is very high and can account for up to 70% for all insulin detected by biochemical tests (proinsulin plays no role in the control of blood glucose). For each of the two children (Child F and Child L) there was only one blood sample, and no test was performed to detect proinsulin or antibodies to insulin (both children were at risk for the production of autoantibodies to insulin). Without such a test it's impossible to claim that high insulin results are due to exogenous insulin. More crucially the testing facility that performed the blood test warns that their blood test for insulin cannot determine whether the insulin in the blood sample is synthetic or not. I could continue on and on, but essentially the medical evidence presented by Dr. Evans, who is not a pathologist or forensic scientist, is extremely questionable and indicates a very limited understanding of medicine at the molecular level.
What a despicable woman! This is just pure evil. My heart goes out to all the families that have lost their little ones in the hands of this monster. Also made me angry she used insulin as one of her killing methods. I'm diabetic and use insulin to live. It's not for killing people.
BBC One really go all the way trying to "both sides" the case. An innocent person would have screamed and react even to a single one of these accusations. It's nauseating to think how she continued to torture some of these babies until they died and how she set her mind on killing the triplets while on a holiday so she would make a comeback with a "bang." Like these children aren't even human to her, just props for her own hero nurse medical drama.
Why would they scream out when if they are innocent they would defend and know they died of natural causes. They'd scream out at the guilty verdict but I think with this the writing was on the wall and she had already gone into suffering from depression
Like the consultant who missed the insulin results and blamed the pathology lab? You believe he couldn’t lie.? You are very gullible. Stop believing doctors are gods. These situations happen because of attitudes like yours.
Nurse here and I’m not even 10 minutes in and wondering “did anyone check a blood sugar?” We check blood sugars during codes EVERY TIME. I am willing to bet my next paycheck she injected these poor babies with insulin. A blood sugar check and immediate glucose administration via IV could have saved them and caught her much sooner if my suspicions are correct. Never trust a nurse who is calm as a cucumber during a code, let alone a coding newborn.
She used a few different methods, which is one reason it was hard to catch her. She injected air and insulin, she force fed them milk, she forced implements down their throats and, I believe, she physically attacked them in other ways. I think injecting air was the most common method.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 Yeah I am aware. Thats terrible. My point is that if they tested blood sugar promptly in the beginning of the code they may have been able to save some of the babies and catch her sooner.
The Enablers (friends who refuse point blank to see things right in front of them, and the corporate/company/ organisational protectors) are just as culpable.
The fact Shipman was a Doctor even when he was jailed says it all. The GMB never took his status away. This is the problem with the NHS they do nothing when something happens. This is why people like Lucy get away with murder. It's about time the managers are brought to book. I bet you the whistleblowers will find it hard to work now, because that's what happens when you speak up in the NHS.
Shipman was struck off the Register when he was convicted, his crimes were shocking as well in the fact he may have killed 200 or more people who were his patients, I wouldn’t be surprised if Letby harmed more babies.
Let this be a lesson to EVERYONE working in health care. Yes, it can happen in your ward. What makes me sick is that it was said that one of the higher ups didn't want to cause a fuss because it would give the hospital a bad name!!!
Mindblowing! You think you know people! But who do you know really! Torture should be given to people intentionally hurting others! Especially against defenseless newborn babies! What a sick evil person she is! Hopefully prison gives her back some!
Excellent documentary. That criminologist at the 47:06 mark is clearly prejudiced. To all the people who think she’s innocent, what further proof do you need?? She could do horrific things to those babies all under the guise of “performing” her “nursing duties”. In other words, she was hiding in plain sight. She also was very calculating and knew exactly when to attack. Plus, the defense NEVER PUT A SINGLE CHARACTER WITNESS to testify on her behalf. All of that, coupled with the fact that she was the ONLY nurse present at all of the deaths solidified her guilt. Kudos to the police and the jurors. They deliberated 22 days. They knew what was at stake.
I think a lot of the prosecution evidence were circumstantial which is not proper proof. But don't get me wrong I because if it wasn't her then who?i do think she is guillty there too many coincidences where she was always the nurse looking after the babies that collapse even tho she wasn't always the designated nurse yet a collapse would always happen when the designated nurse left and lucy was asked to look after her also the way she acted with the families notes she wrote herself and Facebook searches And I do find it strange that during the police interview she was calm and wasn't shouting and crying about you need to talk to this person. Also her story changed from the police interview once she was on the stand she kept saying "I can't re-call' and just kept denying the charges. That was the basis of her whole defence 'I didn't do it' and 'it's a conspiracy'. I don't get how people think she is innocent the podcast convinced me she is the ones that did this 😢
The fact that the whistleblowers were made to apologise to her is beyond me.
That was when they had no evidence. They dont have to apologize to the psychopathic
killer anymore OK
The senior manager puppets exist to protect the hospital's reputation so they would never involve the police unless they had to.
@@user-vh5eh1fu4l They had lots of evidence but the hospital did not want to call the police in, they were protecting their reputation. They failed miserably and this will all come out in the enquiry.
That’s corporate business for you.
@@nitagunns549Spot on. That's what happens when money is more important than lives.
The fact she’d killed that baby and then bathed it in front of the parents knocked me sick.. those poor babies and parents 💔
its not fact she killed it tho is it. no. no facts here..alll speculation and circumstance. but it is. just sayin.
@@jackdawson5273 25 suspicious incidents with one baby being proved was injected. Also the work logs the Doctor and the parents of the dead baby’s are lying ? How anyone can believe she is innocent boggles the mind. Bet your one of these people that still believe Jimmy Savile was innocent.
Never fully trust ANY human..
Unforgivable. The hospital must be sued for covering up a murderer
All hospitals do it.Whistleblowers are always silenced abused threatened and destroyed. Happened to me at Calvary hospital in South Australia when I wouldnt cover up my colleague's drug errors. All the staff knew because the person responsible TOLD them all what they had done and that I was " getting them in trouble " by making them report it. They even told the pt's Dr. Not one would speak up when management targeted me because the staff who made the mistake lied about what happened .Management knew they were lying but refused to investigate because I had complained about the bullying manager and this was her chance to get me for it.Witness who was present when it happened was never questioned and refused- too scared of the hospital- to give evidence. All my witnesses were threatened if they spoke to me about it. They refused to tell me what I was accused of!I am not the ony one Calvary did this to. NEVER TRUST NURSES OR DRS OR ANY HOSPITAL MANAGEMENT.
@@chazcad7319they could be covering up what they thought would’ve been due to negligence at most but turned out to be murder
A cover up and a scapegoat
She murdered these babies intentionally( some with air) so yes it is utterly wrong. Maybe 1 dead baby is negligence , but 7 dead and 6 attempted murders is cover up for me. And what did the management do - forced the doctors to apologise to a female serial killer without investigating.
NHS (Mis)Trust !
And they forces concerned doctors to apologise to her. Unbelievable.
The fact the managers have not faced any consequences sends a clear message this is still not being taken seriously.
My Dad is a top Manager in NHS . he is serious and makes a ton of money too.
@paulcarroll5040 I hope you're right. Though even before a guilty verdict, the bar for dereliction of duty by refusal to engage the police in a timely fashion along with threatening the consultants has been clearly met. The fact CPS brought charges is a clear incubation management should have investigated rather than cover up. The managers could and should have been fired in disgrace long ago.
@@hippopotoftea No one fires my Dad OK
@@user-vh5eh1fu4ldon't be childish.
@@janlittle2148 Ok sorry I will grow up
All the hardships of getting pregnant, staying pregnant (all of that is already super hard for some couples) and delivering a baby…and then this piece of work takes it all away.
So true. To get past 8 weeks is so hard. They made it into the world and she preyed on them. Brutal
She is just like Beverly allit
@@user-qj5hv6gg5w They say female nurses kill babies and the male ones kill old people. There are exceptions but that seems to be the general rule.
Absolutely. My own pregnancy was perilous. My baby is a miracle, he made it. I cannot fathom what these parents have gone thru. Lucy is evil in a very unique way. The devil has a special place for her to burn in hell, painfully, forever.
You then have all the fears of things like cot death and illness. My niece was premature and then got viral meningitis. She was in the ICU and had 3 nurses at one point caring for her. We were all terrified and in shock. The care she got was phenomenal and it made us all feel so lucky to have dedicated and skilled people provided by the NHS. You just never imagine that there are people like this in the world. I honestly can't imagine the pain of losing a child in such circumstances.
As for whistle blowing, unfortunately often places want to hush things up, there are cultures where staff have to present a positive and problem- free and high performing front. Whistle blowers get thrown under the bus. Even when people show courage and push on, so much is hidden and covered up. It's all about performance data and funding. This is the case in so many public sector workplaces. It's dreadful.
This proves you don't need a bad upbringing to become a monster. Some people are sadly born to be evil
These hospital managers/ executives should also be sent to prison for manslaughter ..... unbelievable!!!
Her friends and fellow nurses as well
She told her friends not to go to the trial....I wonder why 🧐
Something seems extremely off about her friend. She's appearing in a documentary defending a woman who is accused of taking the lives of multiple babies and she's just constantly smiling and acting care free throughout. Even if you thought your friend was innocent you'd still behave in a more appropriate manner considering the severity of the situation. She comes across as a very strange individual.
What did she do that was inappropriate?
2.14 the Doctor is also smiling when talking about the potential of a serial killer in the hospital...could be talking about his favourite comedian if you turn the sound down..he must be suspicious too.
posho uni lefty defending another Its like a Cult
Out of respect for the parents and the jury's decision and the extensive police investigation, she could tone it down a bit or just refuse to talk about it.
@@violette4841 if it's a miscarriage of justice, and either someone else has murdered babies or -much more likely - the abysmal management, overcrowding, under staffing, sewage leak, bad practice among doctors and general apathy is to blame - why would she shut up?
Should the families and friends of Sally Clark, Donna Anthony have shut up?
BBC journalist: "I don't know how Britain most prolific child killer should look like, I am pretty sure it's not this though."
That, good lady, is the mistake everyone makes. You think killers have horns on their heads, or big noses with warts, or "bad skin"? Isn't it time for us to stop judging (I know it is a cliche but it is true) books by their covers?
She actually fits what I'd imagine someone that does this looks like-bland as hell, totally non descript
CORRECT. I am stunned she made that comment considering the FACTS
I think the only time that ‘looking evil’ stereo type was true was Jimmy saville.
Everyone was literally saying she doesn’t look like a child killer and I was like, what does a child killer look like?
@@hearmeoutbro people think just because you're college educated, look nice, etc., you're not evil. Some of the meanest people I've ever known are highly intelligent, pretty, handsome, etc. So people with brains and looks are not capable of evil deeds ? Really ? LOL
What shocked me the most was that monster asking the parents do they want her to bath their baby! That actually hurt my chest
How can anyone defend that monster... Her freind needs to wake up and look at what she's actually done... FFS people... 🤬🤬
I think her friend is being played for a fool 110%. But she is in complete denial. It would be hard for anyone to imagine your best friend was responsible for something so horrid. I am thinking if it was my best friend who’s godfather to my three children. If it came out he was responsible for something so evil. I would not be able to believe it. But I think that old saying. How well do we truly know someone ? That’s the horrible thing about these case. That these vile people are undetectable to the naked eye. And they can trick anyone into missing clear indications that they are bad.
I would like Letbys best friend to name just one serial killer who presented themselves as having a double life to which people who know them would have had suspicions - it doesn’t happen because they portray an entirely different persona to people they know. Look at any serial killer - Dennis Radar, Gary Ridgeway, Ed Klemperer, Rex Huerman - the list is endless. They all lead perfectly normal lives to people around them, they all had family, friends and social lives. No one would have been alerted about the murderous life behind the facade.
Exactly. There are people on the internet who assume anyone could have seen it. Should we assume everyone around us to be serial killers?
It is also psychologically easier for her friends to still think that she was innocent than to admit themselves they have been fooled by her all those years they knew her.
So true. Mark Twain famously said that it's easier to fool people than persuade them that they've been fooled. He was absolutely right. I remember seeing an interview with a close friend of one of the railway killers, David Mulcahy. He was in absolute denial too. Couldn't believe that Mulcahy had murdered those women.
I disagree. There is always red flags. Their family’s are not psychologists so they don’t know but if you look into there pasts there is always a red flag. Normally with hurting animals when young or problems in school years
i don t think😊
The managers covering this up is not surprising to me after 20 years in the NHS. Very senior management in hospitals are toxic, bullying and out for themselves. If they get found out, they get moved to another hospital to carry on. It's absolutely endemic in the NHS
That's exactly what happens. They become someone else's problem
That sounds very similar to the priests who abused children. Disgraceful and sick.
@@user-ps4rg1cr1r very much so. It's disgusting.
100% agree. The trust I worked for was the exact same and lost fantastic staff to look after the toxic.
It happens everywhere, not just in hospitals or in the NHS.
The most disturbing IMO, is her asking permission from the traumatised parents to bathe their baby, after she murdered it, and they have no clue. I literally have no words for this. 💔
Same
yes totally agree ...just cannt get past how sick that is ....monster
What evidence are you aware of that shows she did anything to harm that baby or any others?
It’s sickening! The audacity makes my blood boil!!
How did she murder the baby?
Ignorant friends in denial, if you think she’s innocent have her look after your baby
Sociopathic friends. They actually want to expose children to Letby. They should be arrested themselves.
I'm glad the judge has protected the identify of the families - look at what happened to the families of the children who died in the Sandy Hook shooting in the US. They were hounded on social media. Its a sad state of affairs but victims of crime are targets and deserve protection.
That’s a very good point you made.
In the UK, children's names can't be released to the public if they are involved in a criminal trial. They can be named in the courtroom, but not publicly. This age, in the UK, is 17 or below.
eg. Bob has been arrested for abusing his 12 year old son, Bob Junior.
In court: Bob, you have been found guilty of child abuse in regards to your son, Bob Junior.
In the papers: Bob has been found guilty of abusing a 12 year old.
I think Canada has something similar.
Completely different situation
All the babies have been named, in the evening standard.
If it were my child, i would never forgive. I know that about myself. I would never recover and never forgive. This is just too great and too evil a crime.
So big of you. And to commit these words to text.
So you are the unforgiving type?
@@Shannon-pn1iv So you dont forgive Hmmmm
@@Shannon-pn1iv would you forgive a murderer?
@@Shannon-pn1iv True very true
They're saying its unprecedented but its not. We had Beverley Allitt, Harold Shipman, there have been cases in other countries.
U.S male nurse also killed a lot of older patients. The hospital did the same thing. They had a new unit in the works and did not want the news going out. I am Canadian and we had our own nurse kill many as well.
And many many more both male and female in tje UK alone. We only have records from the 1970s or so but who knows how many centuries it has been happening
I think the thing that makes Letby unprecedented is how well she managed to wear a mask compared to both of those two. Shipman had to repeat a year of study to get into medical school, while Allitt skipped classes and only got into the role she did because the children's ward was because of severe shortages. Shipman was known to be a good GP but have a temper, whereas Allitt was never seen as a good nurse while Letby was seen as a bright, bubbly person and a skilled nurse.
How can they say that you can’t get a serial killer in a hospital! It’s the perfect place to cover up murders. How many doctors and. Nurses have got away with murders that have never been questioned at the time.
@@AcanthaDanteShipman had to rebuild his reputation with his bosses in the 1970's, after getting hooked on, and then prescribing himself, pethidine.
My mum as a nurse, reported a doctor for making very sinister comments about euthanising elderly people. She was told to respect the doctors who were higher than her. After several complaints she moved to another hospital to be far away from him.
Weren't Dr Shipman was it?
Drs pull rank on nurses in a flash. I don't believe any of them in this scenario
@@Ida_Dunne_Moore True.
I must admit the doctor makes a really good point. Most of the elderly living in pain and with no cares they can trust, would vote for euthanasia immediately if this government wasn’t so woke like many liberals including yourself.
I wonder if there are statistics as to the % of psychopaths in the medical profession.
How evil can you be to deprive someone of seeing their child grow up. She should never be allowed out. Ever.
Shes only coming out for the baby K trial. She's never walking free.
This "she doesn't look like a child murderer" stuff is trite. She looks like every other nurse/doctor who was found to be a murderer.
What does a murderer look like? Rhetorical question.
It's the "halo" factor......
@@Brian-om2hh Fair point.
Bathing the baby she'd murdered would have been extremely enjoyable for Lucy. She got to revel in the parents grief. She would have gotten off on it. Grotesque.
'Lucy said she doesn't want us, her friends, attending the trial' Yeh, I bet she doesn't. Are her friends a bit thick or something?
Truth is, none of them want anything to do with her. They wouldnt go if they were paid to.
This one friend in the doc is standing by her. I can totally understand her denial. It's like looking at your current best mate who you love and being told they've done this. You just would not be able to process it, so I don't blame her. That's what's so scary.
Hamlet. Act One, Scene Five:
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. That one may smile and smile and be a villain. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in our philosophy."
- William Shakespeare
"It's unprecedented"...one name: Beverly Allitt, again in the UK ...
The friend needs to cosider the fact that when she was removed everything stopped and the evidence was too overwhelming
The death rate fell after Lucy had been removed from the Unit because the hospital acted on the recommendations of a report looking into the spike in death rates. One of the medically based implementations was to stop admitting cases of less than 32 weeks gestation which obviously would result in less critical cases being dealt with there after she’d gone. However if you take a further look at the morbidity rate you’ll find that only two weeks later the rate started to climb back up and during 2017 - 2018 the death rate for the year was higher than when Lucy had been at work, but they didn’t broadcast that.
They didn’t broadcast either that the neonatal, non Pathologist, non Forensic Scientist Dr Evans had been given 32 cases to review by the police, he weeded out 15 of them leaving the ones that Lucy had been present for, making it look like she was the common denominator, he didn’t explain to the jury that she hadn’t been on duty for a number of the deaths he’d weeded out or why he’d weeded them out leaving the jury in the dark with the incomplete and misleading context of the shift chart.
This is just the tip of the ice berg, I thought she was guilty when casually listening to the news but when you look beyond the hype there’s a very concerning picture.
The website ‘science on trial’ has many scientifically authored articles documenting the causes of collapse and death that Dr Evans couldn’t explain other than to say Lucy Letby must have done it.
He also claimed that a tiny fragile baby fed on 45ml of milk ‘projectile vomited all over the nursery, all over the nursery…’ on TV showing what a wild exaggerator he is and can’t be trusted. A judge at a previous hearing had declared his evidence in that case as being totally worthless, would you trust anything said? I hope not..
@@BobK5I didn't know that. She's obviously guilty, but the way that has been left out of the reporting on the case is concerning. All the information and the facts should be widely known and reported.
Plus I can understand why her friend didn't think she was guilty. She's grown up with her and knows her character. Or thought she did. Plus it's such a hard thing to believe, that a trained nurse, employed to care for her patients and ensure their well-being and good health, would actually harm and kill them. Children and babies as well!! Doing it to adults would be bad enough, but doing it to babies that are months old?? That's disgusting, evil and abhorrent. It's also so hard to believe. Especially from someone who looks such a normal, productive member of society. Just goes to show how looks can be so deceiving......
@@mrkipling2201 when you say ‘it’s obvious’, it is obvious on the basis that that’s the ‘truth’ you’ve been sold, but it isn’t the real truth.
@@BobK5 If shes not guilty why would so many doctors and people think she is? They are lying /making it up?
This so-called journalist is just horrendous. She’s got this disposition that Lucy can’t possibly be a serial child killer as she is a young female so it can’t possibly be true. BBC should get rid asap
After 6 weeks on NICU with our twins who were born premature this triggers me and makes me feel so sick to my stomach. The heartbreak and torture those parents must feel is devastating, all from the hands of evil. I hope she suffers in prison.
She probably won't
@@peridotrideauxthe babies were too small to Survive
@@irenedavo3768 That's not true, they were doing well and were murdered. Most prem babies do well with good care which unfortunately they didn't get.
Nobody asked for your life story ffs
@@irenedavo3768what? Insulin, air bubbles, her notes.
The passive quietness of hers is psychopathic.
Just to think.. CCTV cameras in the rooms would've prevented this..
You need someone to be interested enough to monitor/watch the recording .....the management weren't so I don't think that would have stopped any of these tragic deaths.
@@hull294You just record them.
It’s truly bizarre there wasn’t CCTV put up. And isn’t up as standard.
What can be the rationale for that? It can’t be expense. I assume it would be a privacy violation on adult wards, but not for babies. Maybe privacy for breast feeding?
They put womens privacy ahead of health in the NHS nowadays generally.
100%
After this horrific case cctv should be made available on all hospital/neo natal wards . . .
This is beyond evil
A very big indicator that she is indeed guilty is the fact she didn't want her friends in court. She didn't want them hearing the evidence. Psychopaths are very good mimics. They don't know how to be, so they just copy what they see. If her friends were excited and giddy about a night out, she would reflect that back to them. It's an act so that they can hide their true nature and be accepted as normal. It's disgustingly disrespectful to the parents of the babies to declare their 'friend' innocent when they have not been in court to hear exactly why the jury found her guilty. They think it's just coincidence that the doctors noticed a pattern, then the police found more than enough to bring a case AND a jury found that evidence to be beyond a reasonable doubt. Why is your lovely, kind friend writing notes declaring herself evil? That's not something I have ever thought of doing. Have you?
Have you ever been accusing of murdering numerous babies? Or even attempted murderers of numerous babies? I’m guessing that’s a no, so how do you have any idea what is going on inside someone’s mind when they are under massive psychological stress, anxiety and pressure?
Again you have no idea whatsoever? Did you watch this video fully? I’m again presuming that’s a no as the notes have already been explained by a professor of psychology.
Please get back to me when you’ve got your PHD and professorship in psychology and criminology.
It's funny you mention this mimicking behaviour thing because I'm a true crime addict and I personally thought I was picking up a lot on Lucy mimicking her panic while these attacks were happening..it's like she didn't quite know how to react to she was always trying to feel out what her friends colleagues thought (the texts,the constant lurking/hovering and the lack of personal boundaries with the parents etc) just my opinion tho
Erm.... I mimic behaviour of those around me, especially people I am not familiar with. I'm no killer or psycho. Most people do that. Her notes can easily be explained, if you were accused or if patients died under your care you would feel somewhat responsible. Those things don't make her a killer.
@@devianadkar7969 I disagree! Perhaps insecure, socially uncomfortable people try to mimic in order not to draw attention to themselves....but psychopaths have to mimic emotional states as they don't actually feel anything unless in extreme states of danger or fear.
@@devianadkar7969yes I thought that about the notes, something odd about it
The thing about it that baffles me is that REGARDLESS if she had murdered the babies or not, THEY STILL ALL DIED DURING HER SHIFTS AND THEY LET HER KEEP WORKING THERE? Like even if she hadn't purposely been murdering them, at very least she was clearly VERY incompetant at her job.
The one lady that refused to take her off shift when she got a call to do so .....WOW
In court it was revealed that the hospital made her retake certain tests but she passed them all.
Imagine standing by someone who murdered babies?!!! 😢
Imagine the horror of being in that position. What would you do? Dawn is a very bright woman from what I've heard and read on her, I believe she is a researcher in treatments for cancer.
If you don't believe she has, then youre not doing that - at least not unconsciously
its so upsetting and then I remember what my dad said as a police officer of 40 years always used to say... "dont worry about the sentence the inmates will make them pay and pay .. it will be a living hell like no other " and so it should be
That’s why I think life without parole is the most appropriate maximum sentence compared to having the death penalty (which is the easy way out and causes unnecessary delays and compounding grief through countless appeals, not to mention the risk of getting it wrong and killing an innocent person), it’s literal hell being cemented in prison for the rest of your life and constantly watching over your back.
Not always true and especially not for women. Rose West and Myra Hindley had perfectly safe stays in prison, in fact the other inmates were afraid of them. They even had an affair.
@@Nikki_the_GMyra was beaten up on 4 separate occasions in prison wasn’t she?
Her friends are absolutely delusional. I wonder why Lucy didn’t want them in court…
She is guilty as charged. Nothing in this case was coincidental.
Im sorry but I watched 4 minutes of this and had to turn it off as a father of 2 it’s just to hard to listen to.
Shame on that manager and that hospital.
The Doctors are heroes - can you imagine what the death toll would have been if they had walked away like the Management told them to do.
Exactly.....
Wouldn't hold my breath to hear her say she didn't do it if I was her friend.
Why are the managers not being prosecuted? They enabled Letby through severe negligence and malpractice.
Her friend riles me. Absolutely riles me. Lucy is vile and her friend is like naa shes kind shes the kindest person iv ever known. Behatch she killed PREMATURE ILL BABIES. How thick can a person be.
If someone told me that my best mate who I've known and loved for years and never seen them do anything horrible to anyone, had killed loads of babies, I'd struggle to believe it too. Especially if my mate was denying it. It would take years to process that, if ever. I still cant get my head around her doing it yet I believe she did. Its unfathomable rather than unbelievable
@@smch6416I wouldn’t struggle to believe it if I looked at the evidence
Deepest condolences to these parents. Im so sorry. I hope it is some small condolence that this creature is locked up. God bless you, and your little ones up there.
Creature is right, not human in the slightest
@@eeeb2140Can't be
Sadly,It's not actually "unprecedented" as that reporter said.Many of us can still remember the Allitt case :(
I thought exactly that! And plenty more cases in USA and of course Dr Shipman.
Because it is unprecedented, based on the numbers of deaths
After the Atlitt case they should have been more switched on. I feel so sorry for those poor doctors who management did not listen to. They should listen to doctors as they are far more qualified than management. Appalling how they have treated these doctors and the poor doctor in the Atlitt case.
@@maggiehyder7075Wow you are a very bitter and toxic person. Doctors in many cases have to make a best estimate diagnosis if a death is unusual or unexplained. They raised the alarm and it was a nurse in a management position who forced them to apologise to a child murderer and threatened to get them struck off otherwise.
"Unprecedented" my a...it's exactly the same scenario...
Why feel sorry for them? They missed the original insulin results in 2015 The consultant on this program blamed the pathology lab for that. You are as credulous as the interviewer in this video. Doctors are not gods. The sooner that obsequious attitude is changed the sooner this sort of thing can be stopped
I do wonder why the doctors didn't bypass hospital management and go to the police directly if their suspicions were strong enough. You don't need permission of NHS bosses to speak to the police. It does feel a little like they've come out on the offensive as a PR tactic. This doesn't make them responsible - Lucy alone is responsible - but it is worth asking if they are just trying to deflect from their own failure to act on their doubts about her sooner.@@maggiehyder7075
@@gaiadestais8087 It's tragic that nothing was learned after the Allitt case, including the modus operandi, willful institutional blindness and the aggression towards whistleblowers against a backdrop of woeful underfunding, the killer's interactions with the parents during and after the murders, the duping of friends, and the writings and documents hidden at home. Just terrible.
All the people that allowed her to stay and made the decision to keep her need to be fired RIGHT NOW.
Would this friend still believe Lucy if this was her own baby
An unforgivable offence by Lucy and more so the Hospital for not taking her off the ward. Babies lost their life unnecessarily due to this. Nobody can begin to fathom what the poor families will have to endure because of this! My prayers and thoughts are with all the parents and extended families.🙏🏾
My heart breaks for the parents of these poor babies x
I'm so sorry you had to meet this evil witch x
A former female friend of mine is definitely a psychopath, and I ain't stupid. Her own brother said the same about her. She always looks like she's having a ball in pictures and having the time of her life. Very manipulative and softly spoken too, though she's too lazy to kill and would expect someone else to do it for her. She was a psychiatric nurse but faked being ill for
2 years so she could party round the world. Thankfully she is not a nurse anymore as she left.
Psych nurses are sadists
Don’t tell me, the illness was cancer. She faked cancer to go travel and party. Psychopaths have an obsession with cancer, as well as being very stupid. I bet she’s now a cop, journalist, lawyer or something else that a psychopath might be able to harvest energy in.
Most psychopaths don’t kill. But there are an awful lot of them around.
Letby seems like a psychopath. I’d love to know more about her past and a psychological profile.
Her friends are in denial. When a serial killer is found out that fool those around them never just turn around and say. Oh I'm a serial killer! I killed babies. So her friends will no doubt duped for life.. Lucy is where she belongs.
This has probably been said a thousand times
Put some cameras in the units!!!!!
Until hospital managers start to be held responsible for their obvious incompetence it is entirely possible for this to happen again or may even already be happening..
I have lost 4 babies to miscarriages and my precious baby girl to still birth... The pain I can tell you for myself, was indescribable. But for these parents, I can not even begin to imagine the guilt, pain, heartbreak, anger... They must be feeling. May all of you darling angels rest in peace. And may you continue to get justice for the absolutely nonsensical loss of your precious darlings. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Oh god I’m so sorry for your losses. You are a strong mama. I hope you are at peace, they will always be with you 💛
@@bananayummyable 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
Bathing the baby after she had just murdered him. Absolute monster. Poor parents must be absolutly devasted for the murder of their precious baby and now have the memory of her bathing him too.
So brave of the twin's parents to speak at all !!! So traumatic. I hope they see him again. RIP for now. Honest and refreshing to hear Prof Wilson say that Letby didn't fit the typical profile of a serial killer.
So, one of the twins died and one survived with brain damage, is that right? And there were triplets as well, two died (and the third was attacked but survived as well- not mentioned in this documentary but elsewhere). Or are the twins part of the triplets?
Either way, particularly horrifying for those families.
I’m crying
Her friend trusts her so much. Someday she would have injected air on the friend too. Keeping hundreds of confidential patient handover sheets makes her a criminal straightaway.
They’re just handover notes - don’t fall into the trap of making that into a hanging offence. Too much weight was put on this and it is totally insignificant.
@@janetsmith5172 Handover notes are legal documents. They are to be put into the shredder after a shift. They contain the name, dob, patients condition and hand written notes on their health. They are one of the most sensitive documents a nurse and any other staff are in charge of. She kept them as a trophy. So the weight of her hanging on to them is justified.
The families should sue the health organization and the managers personally...
No one ever really knows another person, fully.
If you have the disposition to be devious, you can cover your tracks for a long time and not be discovered.
I have an Uncle who previously passed away. We’re just finding out now about his criminal activities! It has become as a huge shock!
To everyone affected by Lucy Letbys crimes, I wish all of you, comfort, support and ongoing healing. Nothing can ever change what this woman has done. 😫😤
I have a spinal injury and have had support workers help me at home.
For years i have many of them inflict terrible mental and physical abuse upon me.
In the various hospitals i was in many of the nurses were also abusive towards me.
@@anubusx that’s sick! I’m so sorry that you’ve been abused like that!
No excuse for what they’ve done to you
I hope you find compassionate caregivers to help you. ☮️
Serial Killers mostly never looks like serial killet they can hide it .
UNPRECEDENTED?? Charles Cullen, Beverly allit, Benjamin Geen, Heather Pressdee, Linda Hazzard and Shipman are just the infamous ones. Stupid statement.
Because it is unprecedented, due to the numbers of deaths. It’s factual, not stupid
@@74griffo for it to be unprecedented it would have to be something that had never happened before. Its something that's happened countless times to vulnerable people, children and babies in medical settings. Unprecedented literally means 'never done or known before'. There's nothing unprecedented about this crime.
@@74griffoNot only has it happened before, but it was abetted by the same culture of silence as all of those other cases. Shipman and others murdered far more people, so she's correct that it is no way "unprecedented."
Did they all kill babies?
I've know other women that were sneaky troublemakers like Lucy. They work very hard to never be seen doing the deed, whatever it is, and then revel in the fallout as their creations unfold. No doubt, in any way, in my mind that she harmed and killed those babies. If you know these type of Narcissists, you see all the evidence is there in her behavior. In the interview, she is doing her masking, that has been reinforced and rehearsed since her infancy. But the telltale signs are there. The very slow lifting of her gaze at one point is indicative of strengthening or fixing the mask. I am willing to bet that she had a pattern of riling up her parents similarly slyly to watch that fallout. She didn't necessarily do that to people that she wanted as friends, because she had already learned the consequence of that somewhere along the way. Friends were her cover and necessary to her existence. And they were the ones who would NEVER see the deeds because she used them to establish her cover. That's my unprofessional but experience informed assessment for what it is worth. She is where she belongs. Too bad no adult sorted it when she was just a sneaky, clever child.
You love the word sneaky
I think you're right. Letby is no dummy either. It goes without saying that she would have gone out of her way to seem normal and even kind-hearted to the people around her. I think she's actually quite beautiful too, which is partly why she got away with killing for so long. She simply doesn't look suspicious or dodgy but that's just an accident of nature. There have been other good-looking serial killers, like the Ken and Barbie killers, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. Not all female killers resemble Myra Hindley in her mugshot!
@@AnnabelleCharrierdon’t forget white English; that carries a LOT of currency in the UK
Definitely unprofessional and just based on the media catch cries of today
By experience-informed, you mean anecdotal, right?
All the managers have blood on their hands. Bless those poor consultants
i hope someone in monster mansion find this horrible excuse of a human, its crazy this was hidden for so long i think theirs more to blame.....
I think it's so sick how a dog will be put to sleep for biting a child and yet a monster like this will get to live a full life being protected by people in the prison system and the tax payers will be paying for this monster to eat/drink and live as comfortable as possible honestly it makes me so angry and yet no one in government will ever change this and bring back the death penalty for someone as disgusting as this monster!!!!
So i gather you want to do what she did - kill people?
The friend needs to wake up.
Just because someone doesn't look like they'd be a serial killer doesn't mean they're not. And just because someone looks like they could be a serial killer doesn't mean they are. What is up with that ! She didn't look like a serial killer ?? What ? she's supposed to have horns and a tail. Just because she's white with blue eyes and is soft spoken everything was dismissed ? We as a society have got to get over that frame of thinking. I believe it's called, judging a book by its cover
Why do people need to bring race to everything these days? In this case it is indeed judging book by its cover, cause she is good looking. If anything, she looks angelic, like frescoes in christian cathedrals. Stop stirring the race conflicts where there are none! We evolved as society and it really is like difference between blondes and brunets now - noone cares! Except those obsessed!
I mean, if she was blonde blue eyed and ugly, you couldn’t say that, could you? Not all white people are good looking, hope its not breaking news. Last time nurse like this was white and british and it was way more believable cause she looked average or even unfortunate.
Holding my 12 week old baby boy close to me as I write this, I actually feel violent towards her - and I’m not a violent person. I have both sad and angry tears pouring down my face. How DARE she lay her hands on those precious little beings? How DARE she think she has the right to cause them unfathomable pain and take away their whole lives? How DARE she change their families’ lives forever? If I ever had the misfortune of coming into contact with her, I would want to kill her but wouldn’t as I have what all humans (and certainly nurses!) should have which is self control and value for the sanctity all lives, even those as lowly as hers!
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exactly,that's what Shannnan Watts mother asked Chris Watts also; what right did he think he had to kill their daughter and grandchildren?? I ask the same; what's wrong with people; thinking they own the right to kill other people's children???
It’s this sort over emotionalism that got her convicted. People see what they’re told to see
@@janetsmith5172 over emotionalism? Care to explain?
I’m pregnant with my final child we live in Japan and my last son born 18 months ago was a premature baby, there was cameras and all notes have to be double signed. I can understand why you feel what you feel. A mothers love is pure and true and it never goes away as the child gets older something she will never understand
I do not understand why the consultants could not have gone to the police independent of hospital management; anonymously if necessary.
What a wonderful and sensitive doctor. Very few like that.
The absolute biggest thing that nobody mentions is: pretty much all the women nurses in maternity wards are the bratty bully popular girls you were in school with.... What makes it even worse is they still keep hold of that sly bitchy bullying mentality. By some comments here. It's totally relevant tbh. Hospital staff should have psychological evaluations like the secret service has before becoming a nurse or doctor.
Remember, a rule is in place because someone did something bad to require that rule.
the NHS have a LOT to answer for.
Why aren't the managers that seemingly did everything to cover up these deaths in prison???
Every last one of them is as guilty and evil as Lucy Letby.
My Dad is a top manger in the NHS. He has a fear of prisons thats why he is not in one now
Not as guilty but their failure to in investigate allowed her to keep killing. They should be held to account
@@user-vh5eh1fu4lwhat!
@@janlittle2148 yes I agree with you
This is actually sickening!! Management are directly responsible for every single death after it was reported to them! The only thing worse is the support from her friends!!
And this is a perfect reason why this country needs capital punishment.
Nah
Totally disagree. Capital punishment gives them an out. Life in prison means they suffer the mental strain of knowing they will never be free again. Also I'm sure she isn't popular in whatever facility she is in for what she has done.
@@lozzylolsNo....capital punishment would be proper justice
My wife & I lost our first baby, therefore, I empathize with the parents who will hold grief in their hearts forever, not to mention whatever other feelings they have towards Lucy Letby. I am appalled that hospital administrators fought the medical staff when asked to remove Letby from the unit. It is a travesty of justice said administrators will never be held accountable for keeping such a dangerous person in the unit and able to access vulnerable patients, thereby killing them.
I believe that she is the female serial killer who did not get away with it. I will assume there are quite a few female serial killers out there, but they only kill occasionally over the years. Something that can not be registred in the statistics as an abnormality.
Definitely. There’s huge bias in favour of women in society and the criminal justice system. Just look at her friends and how they are still defending her.
I always feel so infuriated when friends or family members defend these pieces of evil. And think that because when these people are with them they act so nice and fun. So caring. So kind. They couldn’t possibly have committed the crime. OBVIOUSLY they act like that around people. They have to wear a mask. They have to look like good people. So that nobody would ever suspect them. Are these people really this blind? And why on earth is this woman sat smiling and so happy talking about a child killer? She makes me feel sick. Even if she thinks her friend is innocent. She should not be sat there smiling like she’s having a great day when talking about babies deaths. On a tv show that some of the parents are also appearing on. And all of the parents will see. How inappropriate to sit there looking so pleased with herself. Disgrace. Honestly I would be ashamed to know Lucy Letby. I would not be sat grinning like the Cheshire Cat on tv talking about how nice the woman is.
The devil comes in many forms.
Lucy’s friend is delusional
Or maybe she never saw that other side to her demeanour or she doesn't want to accept Lucy did it
@@evierose7881 yea like I said.. delusional.
Maybe take a good friend of yours and imagine the same level of crime suddenly put on them, would you just accept their arrest and what they did?
If you say they would never do that, then you are just in the same position as the friends.....
@@lozzylols yeah I’d accept the arrest and what they did,, I wouldn’t sit there saying no while the evidence clearly says yeah ,, like I said… delusional.
her friends obviously knew little about her. Sadly UK taxpayers have to pay for her lifelong imprisonment. So wrong.
Why can't the hospital staff who ignored this, be prosecuted?
Because people at the top of the NHS can make decisions with impunity. They answer to nobody. When you think about that for a second, it's dangerous.
Her behaviour during and after these events points to somebody who was getting some kind of reaction out of the grief of these parents. Inserting herself into those grieving moments with the parents ..even when the patient wasn't hers..to the point where she had to be asked to leave. Her over friendliness and attachment to many of the parents and babies involved. The sympathy cards afterwards which she took and kept pictures of the words she wrote to them. The keeping of handover sheets. The searching for them on fb months and even years afterwards. What struck me most was how many times a month she searched for people on fb. Well over 200 times per month. That's not normal behaviour. That is the behaviour of someone who is quite voyeuristic and nosy by nature. Her constant musing in those txts to colleagues about the deaths and fate being involved. Then her scrawling about how she would never be married or have children of her own.
You've fallen into the trap of being convinced by circumstantial evidence.
@cameupstarvin7351 the insulin with peptide c is what convinced me tbh. The rest of the circumstantial evidence in conjuction is too strong in backing up the case for serious criminality.
@@Elizadoolittle1948 The insulin poisoning allegations against Miss Letby are based on deeply flawed medical science. The insulin concentrations recorded in both infants are so high that they are only seen in cases of fatal insulin overdoses of adult human beings, not preterm neonates. Yet both children survived and have not been reported to have suffered any consequences. It actually appears the blood samples provided for testing were too concentrated. When this happens the blood test will bring back an artificially low C-peptide reading and in some instances no C-peptide reading at all (called 'the Hook effect'). This brings into question the validity of the blood tests themselves, neither of which appear to fit the conditions of standard medical practice. Insulin and C-peptide are formed from proinsulin. In neonates the concentration of proinsulin is very high and can account for up to 70% for all insulin detected by biochemical tests (proinsulin plays no role in the control of blood glucose). For each of the two children (Child F and Child L) there was only one blood sample, and no test was performed to detect proinsulin or antibodies to insulin (both children were at risk for the production of autoantibodies to insulin). Without such a test it's impossible to claim that high insulin results are due to exogenous insulin. More crucially the testing facility that performed the blood test warns that their blood test for insulin cannot determine whether the insulin in the blood sample is synthetic or not. I could continue on and on, but essentially the medical evidence presented by Dr. Evans, who is not a pathologist or forensic scientist, is extremely questionable and indicates a very limited understanding of medicine at the molecular level.
I struggled putting my own story of this woman together on my TH-cam channel.
I cried so much doing my research 😢
Those poor babies 😢
Your own story? Did you know her?
@@Ida_Dunne_Moore no, I did a video on this case also
She will get her karma in prison hopefully.
Nah she'll get put on a vulnerable prisoners unit and give it a few years get a move to secure psychiatric hospital like Beverly Allit
What a despicable woman! This is just pure evil. My heart goes out to all the families that have lost their little ones in the hands of this monster. Also made me angry she used insulin as one of her killing methods. I'm diabetic and use insulin to live. It's not for killing people.
BBC One really go all the way trying to "both sides" the case. An innocent person would have screamed and react even to a single one of these accusations. It's nauseating to think how she continued to torture some of these babies until they died and how she set her mind on killing the triplets while on a holiday so she would make a comeback with a "bang." Like these children aren't even human to her, just props for her own hero nurse medical drama.
Her friend will never believe she is guilty would you let her babysit yo-your child unsupervised……. Nope bet you wouldn’t
Why would they scream out when if they are innocent they would defend and know they died of natural causes. They'd scream out at the guilty verdict but I think with this the writing was on the wall and she had already gone into suffering from depression
Just ridiculous overblown supposition on your part. This type of hysteria is why she was convicted
All 7 consultants can not be lying.
Like the consultant who missed the insulin results and blamed the pathology lab? You believe he couldn’t lie.? You are very gullible. Stop believing doctors are gods. These situations happen because of attitudes like yours.
Nurse here and I’m not even 10 minutes in and wondering “did anyone check a blood sugar?” We check blood sugars during codes EVERY TIME. I am willing to bet my next paycheck she injected these poor babies with insulin. A blood sugar check and immediate glucose administration via IV could have saved them and caught her much sooner if my suspicions are correct. Never trust a nurse who is calm as a cucumber during a code, let alone a coding newborn.
Nurse here as well.
Everything in this story feels dodgy- and I always will follow this ‘ maxim’ - if it feels dodgy, probably it is.
I’m a physician and 100%, nurses always have the blood sugar levels checked in every code I’ve assisted in
She used a few different methods, which is one reason it was hard to catch her. She injected air and insulin, she force fed them milk, she forced implements down their throats and, I believe, she physically attacked them in other ways.
I think injecting air was the most common method.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 Yeah I am aware. Thats terrible. My point is that if they tested blood sugar promptly in the beginning of the code they may have been able to save some of the babies and catch her sooner.
Trevor McDonald needs to interview her
People who whistleblow get ignored until things like this happen whistleblowing isn’t straight forward
The friend is delusional but what's with David Wilson the Criminologist. Reads "I killed them"..."that's just the ramblings..." Seriously!!!
The Enablers (friends who refuse point blank to see things right in front of them, and the corporate/company/ organisational protectors) are just as culpable.
The fact Shipman was a Doctor even when he was jailed says it all. The GMB never took his status away. This is the problem with the NHS they do nothing when something happens. This is why people like Lucy get away with murder. It's about time the managers are brought to book. I bet you the whistleblowers will find it hard to work now, because that's what happens when you speak up in the NHS.
Shipman was struck off the Register when he was convicted, his crimes were shocking as well in the fact he may have killed 200 or more people who were his patients, I wouldn’t be surprised if Letby harmed more babies.
Let this be a lesson to EVERYONE working in health care. Yes, it can happen in your ward. What makes me sick is that it was said that one of the higher ups didn't want to cause a fuss because it would give the hospital a bad name!!!
Mindblowing! You think you know people! But who do you know really! Torture should be given to people intentionally hurting others! Especially against defenseless newborn babies! What a sick evil person she is! Hopefully prison gives her back some!
Excellent documentary. That criminologist at the 47:06 mark is clearly prejudiced. To all the people who think she’s innocent, what further proof do you need?? She could do horrific things to those babies all under the guise of “performing” her “nursing duties”. In other words, she was hiding in plain sight. She also was very calculating and knew exactly when to attack. Plus, the defense NEVER PUT A SINGLE CHARACTER WITNESS to testify on her behalf. All of that, coupled with the fact that she was the ONLY nurse present at all of the deaths solidified her guilt. Kudos to the police and the jurors. They deliberated 22 days. They knew what was at stake.
I think a lot of the prosecution evidence were circumstantial which is not proper proof. But don't get me wrong I because if it wasn't her then who?i do think she is guillty there too many coincidences where she was always the nurse looking after the babies that collapse even tho she wasn't always the designated nurse yet a collapse would always happen when the designated nurse left and lucy was asked to look after her also the way she acted with the families notes she wrote herself and Facebook searches
And I do find it strange that during the police interview she was calm and wasn't shouting and crying about you need to talk to this person. Also her story changed from the police interview once she was on the stand she kept saying "I can't re-call' and just kept denying the charges. That was the basis of her whole defence 'I didn't do it' and 'it's a conspiracy'. I don't get how people think she is innocent the podcast convinced me she is the ones that did this 😢