HOW TO - Ride Without Fins - Wakeboarding with Shaun Murray

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  • Why fins? Why use 'em? If we're being honest... you don't need to have fins to wakeboard!
    Wait, wait, wait... did I say you didn't need fins to wakeboard?!
    ...
    A fin is meant to keep your board tracking straight and they're also there to catch you when you're doing something wrong. Riding with too much fin is going to allow you to get away with too many bad habits, which ultimately will prevent you from progressing in the sport.
    So what's the right amount of fin?
    Personally, I ride with 0.8" of fin. It allows me to still have a fun, playful board but also helps me when I need it. I send out the same amount of fin on all of my H/L Murray boards, too!
    Questions? Comments? Drop them below and let me know what you think about riding without fins!
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  • @funkalicioussilvano3346
    @funkalicioussilvano3346 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ive been wakeboarding for about 3 years, just took the fins off today and realized how much more fun it actually is. I actually like the feeling of being free and I got my first 360 in today

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Love to hear it Funkalicious! So fun and so many people haven't tried it

  • @KyleLesmeister
    @KyleLesmeister 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excited to hit the lake and give riding finless a try! You’ve been my go to teacher for wakeboarding, great video!

  • @frankthetank8552
    @frankthetank8552 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That air in the intro is so cool. Ps you are a great teacher, you break down biomechanical principles in an engaging way and you can perform the complex and analyse the basics. Love your work 👍

  • @standardnerd8694
    @standardnerd8694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Literally gives me chills watchin' you ride.

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Like good chills or 🤢? I hope good ones 😊

    • @standardnerd8694
      @standardnerd8694 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Shaun.Murray Haha, for sure good ones! Motivates me to try new stuff seeing the amazing stuff you can do!

  • @5446moto
    @5446moto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Shaun is such an amazing instructor. Makes things easy to understand, and then shows great examples.

  • @ryanshimabukuro3283
    @ryanshimabukuro3283 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this video! If I remember correctly, Chase Heavener rode his Gambler finless in FLF's "MayDay" in 1998 & Randall Harris was the first to ride an actual "finless" Thruster board in FLF's "My House" in 1999. My older brother told me a long time ago that if you watch Randall Harris ride, he always lands on edge to allow the board to track properly. And Josh Smith (another Hall of Famer) was quoted recently, "Fins are for fish, we edge into the wake! Your board is the only fin you need. And a board without fins, will be a mentor, if you listen."
    I rode a "finless" board for 5 years from 2006-2010 (the OBrien Vice). It only had molded-in fins, no bolted on fins. And the first few times I rode it, I would slip out when edging into the wake. It quickly taught me to use the edge of the board properly. And from then on, I loved that board. When I started riding the OBrien Format from 2011-2020, it only had bolted-on fins so I had to use really small ones (0.5's) because anything larger really felt too big. Now, I'm riding the OBrien Valhalla and just using the molded-in fins again, no center bolted-on fins. Feels good to have the equipment force you to use proper edging technique.

  • @jacksonsarjent9597
    @jacksonsarjent9597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Murray “I’m not gonna do anything crazy “
    Switch tantrum and a rally 😂😂😂😂
    This guy awesome and he’s help me out so much for improving

  • @robsoden8426
    @robsoden8426 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Man I love watching you ride that board, you make it look effertless.The energy you project in your videos is so inspirational. Keep up the great work!

  • @juliabysshe
    @juliabysshe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LOVE your videos, Shaun. Also love that these are "just a few basics, nothing crazy" !!

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching Julia!

  • @bushog2944
    @bushog2944 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Shaun: riding with out fins is a little difficult so ima be doin some simple easy stuff
    Also Shaun: 12:30

  • @jkcurti
    @jkcurti 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I purchased a HyperLite board because of you. Lovely board. My son and I have enjoyed many hours on the lake with that one. Thanks for continuing to touch on those 3 Fundamentals as well as all of the History, Tips (Gasoline Fast Fill, Can you Ride it!, etc.)! Peace!!!

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the great feedback JK and thanks for not only following the fun along but getting out there for some good times yourself!

  • @darkwires
    @darkwires 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love everything you have done for wakeboarding. true legend. thank you for all the cool shht you have done over the years

  • @renejgkeyzer-andreiii7954
    @renejgkeyzer-andreiii7954 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this video Shaun, as it breaks down the why/how and then put it into actual use....these videos have been awesome to accelerate my learning of wakeboarding skills and technique.

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great to hear Renejg ✌️

  • @knapb89
    @knapb89 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, man. I love the history box. I really appreciated the backstory on the why behind fins!

  • @shanemarshall2590
    @shanemarshall2590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video! I'd love to hear more about the history of wakeboarding and the equipment

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good insight and request. Will keep that in mind Shane.

  • @morganrogers95
    @morganrogers95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sweet. Very educational. Makes a lot of sense. Great video homie!

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Morgan Rogers-
      Wassup homie! Thanks, glad you liked it!
      ✌️

  • @AlexGarcia-lo9hx
    @AlexGarcia-lo9hx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shawn, your videos are always so helpful! Thank you! Peace ✌!

  • @desertstoner450
    @desertstoner450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for that detailed explanation. And came at the perfect time as well. I just had a discussion with one of my buddies and he told me to remove the fins but really couldn’t tell me why. I did it to try but besides just being loose wasn’t sure what the advantage was.

  • @TheKeeganc
    @TheKeeganc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That camera work was just as magical as watching you ride!

  • @brentfrank7012
    @brentfrank7012 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I loved the roam board by HL. Had no fins, was like a snow board on the water. It would carve like no wakeboard ever did. Too bad they discontinued that design.

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Funny you bring up the Roam bc I was just going through boards yesterday and found my original one! Should I take it out for a rip?

    • @brentfrank7012
      @brentfrank7012 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Shaun.Murray Absolutely, took mine out last summer and the bindings bolts pulled out of the board. I guess it was just too old to hold up. I started looking for another but couldn’t find one. 😎🤙

  • @robbrowne3229
    @robbrowne3229 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was reluctant to ride until watching your videos. Now I can’t wait. (73 yr young)
    I love my 2000 pro air nautique.

  • @the_pope_clan2408
    @the_pope_clan2408 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s been so long sense I’ll seen the clear purple fins, and rainbows! That’s a throw back!!

  • @jasonjacobs1899
    @jasonjacobs1899 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks dude. I'll be practicing this until I get it.

  • @karigreyd2808
    @karigreyd2808 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned to wakeboard this weekend and without fins was way more fun. Wiped out more tho 😂😂. Most fun ive ever had.

  • @jsatherusa
    @jsatherusa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've lost my mojo Shaun, I don't know what happened, slow fingers. BUT, tomorrow is the first day with my boat on the water this year! Yes, short season here in MN. :(

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jerr! Wassup homie!
      Gettin' the boat in the water this weekend, right on!
      ✌️

  • @ryannelson9523
    @ryannelson9523 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video keep up the good work

  • @paulgoulet4599
    @paulgoulet4599 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome video man! I have to keep practicing switch, I ride goofy and when I try to switch I always get the run away board can never seam to get control of it. One of these days I'll get it hopefully. Love watching your videos.

  • @BoardThroughThePain
    @BoardThroughThePain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My old board has permanent fins lol. I took the middle ones off after my 1st few runs. My ex girlfriends old board had aluminum fins haha. Soon as her pops seen my plastic ones, he made her switch.

  • @Rotimer
    @Rotimer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always! Primarily a slalom skier, but after your video on the HO Hovercraft I've been finding more ways to get out there and have fun. The slalom flip was awesome, how about a Raley on a single? :) Love the content!

  • @justinkirk2116
    @justinkirk2116 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What kind of sunglasses are you wearing? Love your content…the GOAT.

  • @mikecapp315
    @mikecapp315 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey @shaun.murray your videos really helped me out this season!!! I have an actual bag of tricks now because of your videos!!! thanks dawg!

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Love to hear it Mike 👊🏼

  • @Fiftytwouts
    @Fiftytwouts 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mother Nature finally let me get out and try my new Murray 150. It’s perfect.

  • @CharlestonWake1
    @CharlestonWake1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome!

  • @Ask_the_neighbor
    @Ask_the_neighbor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been riding the Murray pro and the rxt roxin for the last 2 seasons and I preferred the Murray with no fins over the roxin . Love to butter 🧈😋.. Love the affect of the Murray pro ... NO fins !

  • @stefanpries638
    @stefanpries638 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do a board comparison boat vs cable boards. So much has changed over the last 15 years. The sizes alone are much different today.

  • @billystyle27
    @billystyle27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The right amount of Finn is, of course, Tony.

  • @rumtum99
    @rumtum99 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s so much more fun to watch finless riding.

  • @jremedy7053
    @jremedy7053 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I feel old! I still ride an O'Brien Evil twin with that old fin and a hyperlite with a little newer fin, both circa 2000 🤣

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I remember that board for sure. Didn't ride it but remember some of my buddies on tour riding it.

  • @needmoreprivacy4947
    @needmoreprivacy4947 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have those same fins in my boat's glovebox :)

  • @TheMattzki
    @TheMattzki 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That trick at the end was fkin epic

  • @nickwyatt720
    @nickwyatt720 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Nobody:
    Shaun: “this will all be basic stuff”
    Proceeds to throw a massive raley to the flats into a tumble turn and then bel air😂

  • @kylekrout2484
    @kylekrout2484 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have never been on a wakeboard with fins. I learned last year and have never used them. I feel it’s easy without

  • @spencerfr1
    @spencerfr1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you talk a bit about fin placement? Corner fins vs center... a lot of boards have corners built into the frame but removable center fins

  • @ianmaxwell7525
    @ianmaxwell7525 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve always wondered why it’s so easy to do a butter slide on a surf board, I think this explains it at about 8:20

  • @bengarrison5256
    @bengarrison5256 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    On a bigger wake this summer. What is a good way to slow down inverts. Like the speed in which you rotate upside down and back

  • @debmartin7740
    @debmartin7740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My son took the fins off the board because he said they made the board more responsive. He thought it would be easier for his old mom to ride. I have been riding for several years with no fins. This video makes it seem like I should put the fins on and I might do better. I am a beginner beginner at 65 years young. Should I put the fins back on my board?

    • @pureprotein9597
      @pureprotein9597 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah probably, without fins, you slip around a lot more and are more prone to not recovering from any mistakes, and falling. You will have good edge discipline from riding finless.

  • @CHFProductions724
    @CHFProductions724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just tried to clear the wake yesterday actually and ate it pretty bad, I probably should go find mine 😂
    I also have that same rainbow fin on my Neptune Impala, is that anything like the Murray?
    Edit, I also have that see-through purple one you held up when you said “This is probably closer to some of the first fins.”

  • @austindickman3205
    @austindickman3205 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Shaun. I know it isnt what this video is about but I have a question. I am 5'8 and about 150 lbs. I got your hyperlite model last year and first ride I was in love. However I got a 144. I am intermediate on a smaller wake and want to get into doing some good airs. Do you think I oversized?

  • @DrewSchaeffer
    @DrewSchaeffer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome vid. Btw What song is that?

  • @mikeshipway5990
    @mikeshipway5990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive had every single one of them fins and I chopped down some .8 I wings last!!!!

  • @wesleyvos3479
    @wesleyvos3479 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, thanks for the great video!
    I have a two inch fin in the center of my board (pretty old). Would you suggest cutting the same fin in half?
    I would prefer to have less resistance on the water, with a bit more control than riding without any fins.

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wes, good question. The fin won't cause a massive amount of drag compared to some other things like rocker, edge design, channels etc... so cutting it down won't speed it up a ton but some. I'd cut it down just to get a little more forgiveness out of it. Probably to about 1".

  • @GiordoDagnino
    @GiordoDagnino 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what do you guys do with the screw holes left when you remove the fins ?

  • @hephaestus6220
    @hephaestus6220 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. One question I had was about center fins vs. corner fins. I currently ride a 137cm board and my son (11) rides a 125cm. Both boards have molded corner "fins" built into the board and also came with removable 1" center fins. We are both beginner-intermediate riders. I've removed the center fins on both boards. It seems like it works fine and forced us to use the edge of the board to cut but wanted to check if there was any advice about using or not using center fins.

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  ปีที่แล้ว

      Riding with just the molded in fins can be a good thing so good call on that. Just have to make sure you're using good technique 👊🏼

  • @mikeshipway5990
    @mikeshipway5990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No lat ones I had were point 8 I wings off my murray pro model I carved down my wake skate fins last

  • @leecambsuk2871
    @leecambsuk2871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have just moved from a double up 7 142 to a slingshot windsor 149 and as I ride cable the majority of the time I was wondering how to improve my edging technique as fins are out for cable park use even though they're just 0.75".

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lee, thanks for checking this out! Have you watched this one yet? Let me know if this helps make sense of things.
      th-cam.com/video/eSJPitLMRY8/w-d-xo.html

    • @leecambsuk2871
      @leecambsuk2871 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Shaun.Murray Thanks Shaun, looked at the other video then watched some video of my own session and will adopt a better posture for turns and especially corners as I appear to be squatting somewhat with hips behind me. Leaves me a bit unbalanced on corners on system 2 cable.

  • @donniedarko3777
    @donniedarko3777 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Went wakeboarding recently and my mate had taken the fins off of the board. There’s definitely a big difference and I found it a lot harder to keep my balance and stay on the board.

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Fins help keep your board in the trough that it's creating rather than push out the side and start sliding.

  • @koglioknows
    @koglioknows 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice straight forward video.
    Question? Went wakeboarding for the very first time yesterday, with over 20 years snowboard experience was able to get up and ride about 5 minutes first try. HOWEVER, Purchased a board not knowing it didn't have fins, without having time to order some I rode anyhow , was doing great tracking and controlling my direction but would slip out everytime I tried to transition my stance 180. SO Should I get some fins for my board, or keep practicing without fins until I get the hang of it?

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If there are fin holes, I'd say get some. No bigger than 1" each.

  • @dannymimms6489
    @dannymimms6489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So i've ridden cable without fins for about 5 years now and did some behind a ski boat. We just got wake boat however and I was wondering if I should finally switch to fins, i hated riding fins behind the ski boat always felt so restricting but everyone I've asked has said I should use fins behind a boat was wondering if thought i really should use them or if id be good without them.

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Personal preference. If you can pull it off, go for it! It's honestly harder to do without fins but is super fun to butter around.

  • @franciscocravero3737
    @franciscocravero3737 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Quick question: when you take the fins out, do you put the bolts back to cover the holes or something? Would leaving the bolt holes empty impact the riding at all?

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Leave em empty. Doesn't change the ride much but might have a little water shoot through them once in a while but not much to note. ✌

    • @franciscocravero3737
      @franciscocravero3737 ปีที่แล้ว

      You rock! Thanks

  • @chinstrap5233
    @chinstrap5233 3 ปีที่แล้ว

  • @lukehamman3390
    @lukehamman3390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have an older wakeboard and it didn’t come with fins and I am having trouble finding fins because I need ones that use one screw but most I am finding use two screws

  • @DaveTW65
    @DaveTW65 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I put on some weight over the past year and found out the fins had to go so I could spin,I probly need a bigger board but I’ve enjoyed bragging about being finless

  • @methanesprings4085
    @methanesprings4085 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a couple of rainbow fins lol.... maybe 1997 or so.

  • @phoenixstone8797
    @phoenixstone8797 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know what speed he wakeboards at? and his weight??

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Usually around 22.8 mph. 75' rope. About 148lbs 5'6"

  • @ryanbakota5835
    @ryanbakota5835 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shaun:The fins are to catch u from doing something wrong proceeds to intro where he is skiing with guitars😂

  • @cooperc240
    @cooperc240 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is there a big difference between a board with 1 fin per side, and 2 fins per side? what would you suggest for a beginner? and how big of a fin for beginner?

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We've gone to 2 outside fins bc you can go with shorter in height fins so they release when you'd like them to but can track when you want them to as well. Fins used to be pretty tall in height but short in length. We've made them longer in length so you can still get a lot of surface area which allows tracking but if/when you release them, they aren't in the way as much to catch while spinning the board around on the surface.

    • @cooperc240
      @cooperc240 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Shaun.Murray thank you!

  • @theoffspring14
    @theoffspring14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Center fins on the LiquidForce Trip, when would you recommend removing them?

    • @wyssrealestate2175
      @wyssrealestate2175 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Once you have the basics and can control the board get rid of them especially once you start trying 180's and spins. Makes the board more forgiving when landing off a touch.

    • @wyssrealestate2175
      @wyssrealestate2175 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I remember correctly my trip had a pretty big center fin is that what fin your talking about taking out?

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good input by Wyss below. Really up to you. Try without and see how it feels. If you do this, slow down your transitions going from one edge to the other. Maybe size your center fin down and see how that feels.

    • @wyssrealestate2175
      @wyssrealestate2175 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Shaun.Murray That just made my entire life haha love the videos man!

  • @keilansnider1805
    @keilansnider1805 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Probably a dumb question, but do you take the fins off before hitting obstacles at the cable park?

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great question, yes almost all riders will remove their fins for the cable park.
      -✌️

  • @grantjones4544
    @grantjones4544 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No fin gang!

  • @ltownandfriends4531
    @ltownandfriends4531 ปีที่แล้ว

    hes actually better without fins

  • @NectarHeadz
    @NectarHeadz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    no fins butter them biscuits

  • @hondarevable
    @hondarevable 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now do surf board fins on a wakeboard lol

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SledNV-
      That's a new idea, maybe I'll give it a try! Runs on rails, tracks like a freight train 🚂!
      ✌️

    • @hondarevable
      @hondarevable 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Shaun.Murray I would be scared to ride it.

  • @bigHfwi
    @bigHfwi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi I am about to go surf

  • @tuanvutran3169
    @tuanvutran3169 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Con ở VIETNAM rất mê wakeboard môn thể thao này nhưng không có điều kiện chơi và học hỏi chú.kỹ thuật rất hay và đẹp.chúc chú sức khỏe.

  • @jesseneudorf1311
    @jesseneudorf1311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't ride fins on boat

  • @snowy_halo197
    @snowy_halo197 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He looks like pulse from rainbow 6

  • @ericrankin6559
    @ericrankin6559 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    First

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Soooo close!
      ✌️

    • @ericrankin6559
      @ericrankin6559 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Shaun.Murray thought I had it lol. I was just down in Florida and got to ride a park board behind a pontoon. It was fun to slide around! And the pontoon wasn’t quite fast enough for barefooting!!! 🦶🏼🦶🏼

  • @GiordoDagnino
    @GiordoDagnino 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what do you guys do with the screw holes left when you remove the fins ?

    • @Shaun.Murray
      @Shaun.Murray  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nothing. But water shoots up through em sometimes. Doesn't bother the rider too much because it's behind em.