Marie Dyhrberg Reacts to the Sentencing of Lauren Dickason
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- Michael Laws talks to Criminal Defence Lawyer Marie Dyhrberg about the sentencing of Lauren Dickason.
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She had very bad depression. Her husband knew that. He went out to dinner and left her alone and isolated with the children. So, where is his culpability in this? She ckearly was struggling. Why didnt he organise a sitter snd take her out with him? Why did he not get her psychiatric help? Why the hell did he bring them to the other side of the world to a small place like Timaru with no support, no friends , nothing?
I abhor what happened, but he is just as culpable in this as far as I sm concerned.
Yes, I had a husband like this.
He should have stayed with her that night and comforted her.
Isolation is a narcissist tactic which backfired badly in this case.
What is the point of having a jury if the the judge is going to ignore them
Unfortunately in Australia we have widespread judiciary corruption
What baffles me is her husband leaving her alone with the girls, hadn't she already threatened to kill them? He knew she was unwell mentally and then he left her on a week night to go out to dinner. So she had already been alone looking after 3 children all day by herself, mentally unwell, and then he expected her to do so again at night. Seriously? I can't fathom that behaviour. 😢
In actual fact her husband had helped her get them ready for and drop them off to school and preschool for the day and then he joined her to pick them up again and take them to the park. She had not been alone with them until it was their bedtime and he went out. All she had to do was get them to bed ffs.
sue bradford would of helped angela just cos ur daddy ran when he saw u lets blame all dads expect my dad tom phillips hes the best at hide and seek we are all the ral women at once britten twice shy
If it was a man, it would have been life.
Of course. For the same actions:
Man bad, Woman good.
Man perpetrator, woman victim.
Man needs punishment, Woman needs counseling.
@@shagsheep8832 Man assaults pregnant woman, woman loses unborn child, man charged with manslaughter/murder. Same woman aborts her unborn child, is praised and given full support for doing so, father of unborn child has no say in the matter.
if it was a gang member, he would be discounted to 2 days
@paulc7190 they just wouldn't talk to investigators and no one would be charged at all.
Exactly. Depression would not even be taken into account.
I’m depressed, so I can do that? WTF. Why is it that when children are involved, suddenly sentencing becomes so much more lenient? If she had smothered an adult and killed them, then what? When the victim is defenceless, I think the sentence should be greater, not less.
Where was the husband if if it was known she was suffering of a deteriorating severe mental illness? Why leave her with the children unsupervised?
if she is not going to prison for life .... then it has to be the looney bin for life
FFS ... one of the children begged her for mercy .... did she even flinch for a second .... this is so tragic 😪
Pure evil
Those three cute little girls had every right to life.
Poor wee mites had every right to a mother who wanted them for the right reasons and was prepared to love and accept them warts and all.
"Dickason is eligible for parole after a third of her sentence, six years, has been served."... what a crock of sh.t
There's many baby murders where no one has been arrested its slack
What about the other baby's in new Zealand they get away with it coster got to go new broom sweeps clean
What a ridiculous sentence.
Deport her after that.
NO, offenders early release is a behaviour tool and they are not free , on parole they finish their sentence in the community under probation, but can be recalled at any time to continue on in prison
Not found insane, so we will find something else to lessen her time locked up. Unbelievable. Only in New Zealand
The western world & feminism.
From limited power with limited accountability to full power with limited accountability.
Oh no. Not just New Zealand.
She is convicted on three murders, not murder!!!
For some reason women have the ability of being be both the perpetrator and the victim at the same time and nothing is their fault.
toxic femininity
That sounds like the Part Māori sentencing.
3 murders, so should be 3 life sentences.
Its women like this lady who have ruined the NZ legal system.
Absolutely detached from what its like to be a victim of crime, and suffering from the delision that if someone does something evil, they must be helped instead of held accountable.
Wow! a multiple murderer can be free after 6 years in NZ? Perhaps it's worth it for those who really have a vendetta?
This lawyer seems to suggest that the punishment should not have to fit the crime, it should fit the person…
That's the entire criminal system on a nutshell.
Not mad, not evil, but angry and spiteful.
My Mum was left with 4 children on her own. But . . . what was going on in this woman's mind?
This sentencing is disgusting for the 3x little lives she took so violently, im with you on this. Two years for each child she sadistically cruelly took, its so shaneful, whose thinking of these poor chikdren, the victins of these hideous horrendous crimes, SHANE ON THE NEWZEALAND JUSTICE SYSTEM
more shame on your atrocious spelling , please spell check before you post to avoid utter embarrassment
There are times where justice for the victims need to be the deterrent to this. Where is the justice for the children in this horrid country?
New Zealand is a great country, best on Earth, its the left woke stuff taking over the country what is horrid.
Where is the justice for all the maori babies that have been murdered and no one held accountable .
Time for street justice
She is pure evil! Should be three life sentences never to be released from prison.
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Absolutely tragic
The one thing that continually confuses me is that her husband was a trained medical professional as was she, how could he not see how vulnerable she was if she was suffering from depression? If she had a history of severe depression why on earth did he go out to party an leave those three defenceless children alone with her? In my view she was suffering severe selfishness.
After prison deport her back to South Africa
I’m so cross with this. Why bother with jury trials if a judge can over-ride the jury’s findings? What Marie explained was not what the jury found. As Michael said, depression or mental illness does not cause someone to murder three children! What an awful thing to insinuate about depressed people. Does Marie not accept some people have no excuse for their actions? Some people simply make bad choices. No excuse.
Temporary insanity or not, she is a doctor, knew what she was doing was criminal, did it anyway, any injustice that might apply pales to nothing in the face of the injustice done to those children.
This is a ridiculous sentence. It should be served consecutively. 54 years in total, of which she should serve a third, 18 years, as a minimum non-parole term.
Imagine if a man had offed his three girls. There'd be no desperate casting around for manufactured excuses or mitigating circumstances. This is just a magnified version of Golriz Ghahraman suddenly having mental issues and trauma......after she got caught. And there was me thinking we were all equal now. Silly me.
And will she be deported back to her home country when the prison sentence is served ?
But she isn't in prison
She should serve her sentence here in a South African prison. They are absolute hell. Such a light sentence is a mockery to the lives of those little girls.
@@catherinethembafor sure!
Who are we to judge.? This is so sad, something must have gone wrong.a loving mother will never do this.
18 year's is not enough
I learned that myself alike Michael Laws raised my childers alone. I adapted well but it seems I am destined to be alone here in Sydney after successfully completing my parenting. Just recently I began my new solo life. Hard to get used to. Bless us all.
I was shocked at the verdict. She was portrayed as the victim. People in the comments are blaming the husband.
This women is evil, it was premeditated. Last night on the news they were saying she has lost so much. WTF what about the dead kids.
She is definitely evil. She hated caring for them. She hated them full stop.
A shameful result which one I trust will be appealed. And as for trustfulness being the hall mark of the legal profession, thats true only in their eyes.
Is that the monster who murdered her children. She should never be released.
I’m surprised at Laws’ take on this. Lockdown also had an impact, this was mentioned in the case. She probably had inadequate zoom calls with a psychiatrist and the drugs were likely relied on too heavily. Those children would be alive today if her cries for help had been heard (she said three times she wanted to harm them). She should have been taken away to get well, for as long as it took. May those dear children rest in peace.
Happy, as long as men get treated equally. Haven't seen it yet but I'm waiting.
What if it was the husband/father. Guaranteed full term.
If she was so mentally unwell how come today her father is reported as saying he (they?) had no knowledge of her being diagnosed with a depressive disorder when a teenager. Amongst her very many despicable traits she is a monstrous liar.
My condolences to the father.
I don't agree. She told him she would kill them and he didn't care or do anything to save them.
So Ms Dickason gets 18 years behind bars, which means 6 years for each child. That's a pitiful sentence and shows no respect for her victims.
She was not their biological mother, they were conceived using donor eggs. 17 rounds of IVF was cited as gruelling and an accepted stressor, but why wasn’t the unusual circumstance of the conception and pregnancy mentioned too?
Plenty of biological women kill their children so I don't get your point?🤔
It was mentioned and it was not considered not a factor. Mothers of donor egg children love and adore their children. They were her girls. It’s so so sad.
@@MsChitterchat I think she resented them for not being perfect, controllable little robots and also for the money they had cost them to conceive.
You can be mad and evil, they are not mutually exclusive.
Dyhrberg is not an expert defence *witness*
So what of her husband, yes he left the country to return to South Africa, what did he know about his wife. Yes the causes what were they.
Whats the point of the jury?
SHOCKING
Death penalty
Oh well, what do you expect in New Zealand.
What would she have got in South Africa I wonder.
After listening to this interview I absolutely will say that Lauren Dickason was on prescribed medication for her diagnosed mental illness, her depression. What she did was quite usual behaviour for someone after being prescribed psychotropic drugs and she may well have killed her children to save them from suffering from the same emotional pain that she was suffering from. This can happen because while a person is taking psychotropic medication the mediating actions of the prefrontal cortex are eliminated by the medication and when a person in their intoxicated state decides to do something strange their normal mechanisms for overriding this are not available to them because of the medication that they were prescribed-often by people who are not conversant with the side effects of these drugs and who also should be tried for their culpability.
And didn't she take an overdose to kill herself too?
Blah blah blah.
@@maryford9651yes, she searched eight times “ hiw to kill your children”, way before she moved to New Zealand.
Sounds like another excuse. End of the day she murdered her beautiful little girls and should go away for as long as she lives.
Blardy Outrage !
I felt really POed when I read the judge's comments. The jury agreed with the prosecution who said she murdered the girls because she was ‘angry, frustrated, resentful'. How dare he turn around and say she did it because she was mentally ill. She was fully aware of what she was doing. Parenting is a hard job, the reality of day to day parenting is a shock to the system. I doubt that there are any parents who haven't found the job overwhelming and struggled at times to carry on.
It wasn't depression, it wasn't mental illness, this was an evil woman who hated her children and the husband who expected her to get on with it.
For the first time she had to deal with it. She had help all the time, she’s a brat.
@@amandaliebenberg2953 Yeah I agree. She'd had two nannies and two sets of grandparents and her husband to help out and after moving here her husband was there 24/7. I think she realised that very soon he would be working full time and even though the girls were enrolled at school/preschool she was going to have to start being a housekeeper and mother. Even going to the supermarket was too much for her, it is clear she looked down on other people. She realised that shopping, cleaning, cooking and caring for the children were her job and she felt she was made for more important things than that.
Absolutely. We have a 6 and 4 year old who are such a challenge to raise, but the fun and joy they bring when they feel loved by their parents makes it all worthwhile. Evilness is in Lauren's nature
..... 5 minutes and 12 seconds we have static ?? what did i miss ... again ?
OMG> a slap on the wrist. Andrea Yates got life. No compassion and short sentences for her.
Who checks the judges. They side more with the perps than the victims. The background to the crime is now more important than the crime itself.
What! Women can be violent?
The poor woman had been through 17 rounds of IVF. 17!! The psychological impact of that would be enormous. She had a miscarriage and had to deliver the dead child. She had long term postnatal depression. She was not of right mind. God bless her children and her. A tragic heartbreaking case.
You speak truth 6:45
Also a Pentecostal type church involved. Rather a lot of focus on evil and evil spirits.
I agree, but I also believe that anger played a part in her doing this, anger is so dangerous when mentally unstable.
mx chitterchat do u hear yourself i was raped more than 17 times now shall i im a man and a self hating 1 do u hear your driibble chitterchat i fathered all keyboard womens shame on you and me disgraceful
Her husband has a lot to answer for A .he took her from a country where she had all her support and family...B. He gave her very little support when they arrived in NZ, IN FACT..he was away at a seminar at the time of the girls murder!!..no excuse tho..there are places to go for assistance... 8:29
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I agree, this guy set her up, alot of questions about this so called father and husband. I think the wife was not coping and this thing knew it and took off...if we had better cops they would have looked at this guy hard.
So it's the husbands fault?🙄
I agree with you. He knew the issues she had and I would say he’s partly to blame. To busy in his own life to really care.
@@soup-nazi6824he knew she was unwell, she had even threatened to kill them, did you know that? Yet he left them alone with her. Would you? I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Exactly. Noooo not on. MURDERED HER 3 BABIES. EVEN LIFE WAS TOO GOOD. NOOO. SHOCKINGLY JUDGED 😢
You're not half woman, Michael. But Sean is.
She's got staff at hillmorton hospital wrapped around her little finger...I'll be surprised if she ends up in prison
There is another judgement coming
Humans.
As a woman who has found herself in a totally different country, with no family or friends, and at home alone while my partner went to work, in a way I can empathise with Lauren. I wonder how much support she had from her husband. She was a woman who had had a job and a nanny and was now staying at home and looking after kids. This is no excuse for what she did of course although I have to say that at times I felt such desperation when my child constantly cried and I had no support. She's going to have to live with what she has done. The life she knew has gone. She will be paying for this madness whether in prison or not for the rest of her life.
Replace the word woman, with man. Then ask yourself if you would feel the same way.
Precisely.@@shagsheep8832
Gay john son, you sound confused 🤔
Women have such cognitive dissonance when it comes to their double standards.
@@Anony_mutt I'm not confused. I think what Lauren did is terrible and the worst thing anyone could do. I just wanted to give a little insight into what perhaps she was feeling.
She hated having to care for those kids. They irritated the hell out of her. 100% psychopath. Deserved life. No parole.
Agree
As someone that went through the mental health system as a person that experienced an extreme psychotic episode l can relate to how as humans we're all in essense only a hearbeat away from from going down the rabbit hole.
I'm not advocating for or against the lengthy sentence because clearly what happened leading up to that horrific event with her children was a motivating factor.
Should we judge her as evil... or the act as evil.
I'm. Not advocating a more lenient sentence or that she should be forgiven however...
If you don't have forgiveness what do you have that possibly burdens your own soul when battling your own personal demoms and skeletons in.your closet.
May God Almighty grant you the strength in that hour... Amen.
I blame draconian Immigration rules about preexisting conditions. She went off her meds to immigrate and her husband left her alone with the kids no meds no nanny.
So very preventable, wish we valued immigrant medics so they can move here despite their medical issues.
Its not draconian to refuse to accept the insane and dysfunctional.
I agree, the husband was irresponsible in my view. Most violent crimes are due to mental instability.
Many women in New Zealand raise their children without help, or family. They don’t kill their children. And she decided to kill them long before she moved to New Zealand. Crazy comment.
If she was Maori, none of these “mental health” BS arguments would be advanced. It’s a cop out
If she was maori she would have only got 6 months home detention
Or she should have kept her mouth shut & she would get away with it like maori do
@@greatwhite9428 b-b-but old wankers like you keep saying the prisons are overflowing with Maori 🖕
@@greatwhite9428but she was white South African who murderd her 3 children!!
Guarantee she knows what living under Apartheid was like??
But making up hypothetical nonsense with no equivalence truly baffles me!!
Being solo with children and no family/friend support can be harrowing. Im thinking part of it was to spite the husband
And that was the husband's first response. He told the friend who came to the house, she has done this to hurt me. This remark was never explored in his giving of evidence.
Gallows?
I do not judge this lady. It is terrible what she did. Good people can do very bad things without thought or want. Who the hell are y’all to judge! Life is her prison. This lady is not evil.
And who the hell are you to tell others what to think?
get a grip man
Life is a prison? At least she has a life, not like her poor kids
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I don't really know the case but murdering 3 kids to my understanding this is paramount to evil .
She had to be ill.Very ill.
Dyrbergs explanation nearly sent me to sleep.
This woman will never be free,even when she is realised. Yes, it was certainly tragic, but she needs help. She should be sent back to South Africa and allowed to be with family. She needs transitioning back into society and needs less accusations against her and more guidance. My God have mercy on her soul.