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I saw a cool idea for a Rock-type convergeant Magikarp called Tragikarp based on a shriveled, dead fish. It’d probably evolve into a Rock/Ghost type called Scarados.
@@nenmaster5218 yesnt, the convergent forms, they are basically what Kleavor was in Legend Arceus. A Pokémon who evolved through time in a similar way to another Pokémon. Diglett and Wiglett, Tentacool and Toadscool are sadly the only two examples belonging to this "family" right now.
I think it’s unfortunate that they got scrapped, but I think it was better that they scrapped them for the tentacool line. Magikarp’s line is Iconic already, but tentacool and tentacruel are generally forgotten, so it was good that they got something.
I really hope we see the convergent evolutions of Magikarp and Gyarados in the Scarlet and Violet DLC. I also hope to see a Paradox Past form of Magikarp where it is Water/Dragon and based on its Pokédex entry where the past form of Magikarp is stronger than its current descendant!
The name "Numerados" could also work in Japanese, since "nume nume" is the Japanese onomatopoeia (sound effect word) for the sound of moving through something sticky or slimy, such as mud, essentially being the Japanese equivalent of something like "squelch squelch" or "squish squish". So a Ground-type Pokémon that looks very similar to Gyarados and "swims" in mud like how Gyarados swims in water could wind up having the name "Numerados".
The reason why "Hill-Karp" and "Hill-Gyarados" are cut is pretty solid in this video I must say. It is indeed a bit difficult to pull off the same concept of them but on the land. And since GameFreak even got artist block on Mega Flygon, I wouldn't blame them for having this issue on them either. Wiglett and Toadscool however really made a good job pulling off the concept, Wiglett being the same meme creature as diglett but being a garden eel rather than a mole Toadscool was a wordplay in Japanese, where a kind of fungus that grows on Tree is called "Tree jellyfish". So they made Toadscool a fungus Pokemon. And Boy how I love Toadscool running around with its... legs? I assume it's made of mycelium, which resembles tentacool's tentacles.
Convergent Magikarp would have been so cool! Imagine it was like really strong as magikarp! I can imagine instead of fins it had wings, and maybe magikarp variant was more badass looking while the gyrados variant was more goofy
Personally, I would've liked something that looked like a large and savage looking Magikarp, about the size of a Basculegion, that was strong enough that it was a single stage evilution and didn't need to evolve. Although since the one that was cut did evolve, this wouldn't have happened.
Building off that, a convergent Pokémon where the Gyarados analog is really small and weak and is the base stage, and it evolves into a huge Magikarp-esque Pokémon that is the powerful, evolved one.
I think their names could be changed to fit the naming conventions of the existing regional fakes; where half of the portmanteau is carried over to the evolved form. Maybe something like Magigart and Garterdos, after garter snakes?
@@Friendstoyourend True, meanwhile we have stuff like cyndaquil, the echidna "mouse" Pokemon, that evolves into an egg-laying badger because all Pokemon do that for some reason. :P
My theory is that they may have wanted to save the gyrados redesign for a region they thought would fit better. Like if gen 10 Australia they could turn it into a eastern brown snake or something. Would fit better than Spain. That or instead of a convergent form maybe they decided a regional form would be better instead or what ever gimmick forms are like paradox pokemon.
the fire type for a convergent line of magikarp would be so cool imo. maybe make a flying fish inspired design for magikarp, but instead of inhabiting water, they inhabit lava. and then for the gyarados evolution, make it into a fire/rock type (yknow bc when lava cools it hardens) a name for the magikarp regional fake could be magmikarp (obviously from the word magma + magikarp), and the one for gyarados could be gabbrados (from a type of igneous rock called gabbro + gyarados)
I believed that it's not about cut Pokemon, but Toadscool and Toadscruel are coded over the Magicarp and Cyarados code because Scarlet and Violet don't have normal Tentacool and Tentacruel but there is a normal Madicarp and Gyarados. But this is a nice theory as well.
Love these two, but I guessed they were pure grass, being a seed and a twisted 'pine-tree' trunk. Magikorn (magic + corn preserving the phonetic K) and Gyarastem (preserving the possible 'reversal' meaning of gyarados and adding "stem").
I personally think the convergent Magikarp and Gyarados were cut from the main game so they could be added in with DLC. If you think about it, why do Tentacool and Tentacruel have convergent Pokémon when they are not even in the game? Diglett and Dugtrio are in the game despite having convergent Pokémon.
Could be, but its probably the other way around. All of them had to be in development but only Toedscool and Toedscrul got to a point where they were satisfied, so the decision to swap them would most likely have been made to give them more time to work on Magikarp and Gyarados. If that's the case Tentacool, Tentacruel, and their counterparts may have originally been meant for the DLC instead, which if true means the former could come with it as well.
@@xekeyo I mean it goes beyond that, basically they are out of touch with their fans, but even your interpretation shows your lack of comprehension.....
Gyarados is based on a Japanese koi wind sock. I forget what they're called. You could have leaned heavily into Gyarados' flying type and maybe give it a second non-water type. Dragon? But make it a kite? Then work backwards to make Magikarp's convergent design. I do enjoy your snake designs though!
This makes even more sense when you consider that gyarados/ magikarp are based off the japanese legend of a koi swimming up a waterfall and becoming a dragon.
I do love this version of Magikarp and Gyarados version designs it's just a shame that they weren't on Pokemon Scarlet and Violet games when they're released back in November.
Other ideas for Magikarp and Gyarados are Mudskippers and Lungfish, both land fish. Mudkip isn't an Axolotl, he's a Mudskipper, which is a beach fish that blows bubbles and use their fins to sloppily move about on land. Lungfish hibernate essentially when rivers dry up, and can survive on land for a while. The cool thing about Pokemon is you can stretch reality to make either fit into a role they aren't normally in. One idea for the snake thing though is a relationship with Dunsparce, like Tsuchinoko is a short, fat snake. They would look more like Gyarados and Magikarp, but would be related to Dunsparce, and maybe have stuff like glare and coil like any other snake Pokemon basically.
I like the idea of Mimikarp how it follows its own theme of being a coward of not leaving its shell but until eventually it does come out of the shell it's kind of like how Magikarp is seen as weak but it's actually strong when it grows up one thing I would change is add an eggshell hat to its head To make it so look more of a timid
I honestly would have liked to see the convergent forms of the Karp line and hope it gets added in the dlc I’ve been hearing about. They look amazing! Even if we only have their names in the files these designs feel like something GameFreak probably would have done!
Admittedly I expected more than one line in the video, but I really like what you did with the convergent line for Magikarp and Gyarados. Gyarados is definitely the better of the two because it has more of a logical basis behind it (which is to be expected), but overall there’s a lot of creativity in the design and names. Bravo.
I feel like making a bird version of Magikarp would work well, even though Gyarados is a flying type. Change Magikarp's fins to wings and it could look similar to flappy wings, then Gyarados could lose the water type and finally get the dragon typing it deserves and maybe having legs to be more like a Chinese dragon design
These designs are so clever! Finding cut Pokemon for this game already is really interesting and I'd love to see some more get leaked or found somehow. Also, congrats on 300k! ❤🔥❤🔥
Would have loved to see a RF for magikarp and gyarados. Another idea for a different environment (forgoing keeping original typing) could be to make them birds. Similar to how Magikarp “walks” on land, use the fins as wings. Gyarados could be some sort of dragon similar to rayquaza. Could fit pretty naturally
Magikarp and Gyarados were probably cut due to someone realizing that a land variation that looked exactly like its water counterpart (and just palette swapped) wasn't logical to getting around on terra firma. I pictured the fish walking upside-down on some very strong whiskers! XD
Nice design for both of them. Just wanted to sayx, when I first saw the name for Mimikarp, my thoughts were by pericarp, more concrete by endocarp, (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_anatomy#Pericarp_layers) which could also fit, considering the way you described its behaviour…
A single Evo Mon that looks like gyarados would work as a water Mon as something that evolved to look like gyarados for camouflage, otherwise I think having them in the desert area as a kind of sand swimmer would've worked
My guess with Convergent Magikarp and Gyarados is that they had a design that was good on paper but putting it in 3d probably killed the design and so they scrapped it and went with the others.
It would've been really cool to see something like this in the games, but I understand completely that it might've been scrapped due to how hard it was to make them convergents. Nice designs though!
I imagine they were sitting around at a table trying to think of ideas for a convergent form for Magikarp and Gyarados when some random guy pops out “hey what if we made tentacool into a toadstool and called it toadscool” and then everyone cheered
I could see these guys coming in the dlc. Who knows, maybe they'll even give the convergent Magikarp the code name "OkaMenokurage" or something as a joke! Maybe even some more convergent mons like "Truleewoodo" who's an actual tree unlike sudowoodo, and a convergent Krabby based on Carcinization!
I think a mudskipper inspired design would rlly work since mudskippers can’t really survive in water and are only rlly habitable in most muddy ground where it burrows in the dirt
I mean its kinda easy. In the past, these two pokemon were found in a lake/sea bed that after a time became more and more surrounded by land AKA mountains started to form as the water was being drained like how you can find fossils of sea animals in deserts & mountains that would be too far from the sea. The Magikarp and Gyarados had to adapt to the land around them more. Gyarados was already part flying so it could handle being on land but less water forced it to develop lungs and Magikarp had to create something like a breathing sack like mudskippers do. So a Water/Ground and Ground/Flying type could work for them
I love your designs, finding these in the swamp and chasing them down would have been awesome! I'd have loved to see a variant of magikarp (now solid brow and dripping in mud) trying to use its fins as useless arms, dragging its body around and just being a pure ground type that still only knows splash because it just splashes about in the muk. When it evolves, Gyarados actually grows arms! Like an ancient Chinese dragon Gyarados is based on, long powerful arms but still retaining the snake body and perhaps growing a beard and remaining pure ground type just to be the opposite of its once flying type. Can't wait for more videos!
I like what we got but if we were to get convergent magikarp and gyarados i think either basing it on a lung fish (so you can put it on land) or basing it on Cuelebre, a spanish snakelike dragon, (with small wings) and having magikarp be based on a snakefish and then having it be a dragon type evolving into dragon poison or dragon fairy type (it keeps treasure and fairys prisoner with magic) I think this fits as they are both serpent like creatures that are based on draconic myth
I definitely understand why they scrapped it. Still a shame but I did think of this idea of a Magikarp convergent line that’d go from one snake to another. Similar to how you thought of a convergent based off snakes. * The Magikarp convergent would be based of a tsuchinoko. Perhaps design wise they could turn the face on the side and have an odd growth to have it’d still resemble a Magikarp. * The Gyarados variant could be based off an Anaconda (Possibly be called Gyaraboa)
I agree 💯. I checked Oka possible meanings since the names are Okakingu and Okagyarados which it seems it literally means Land/Shore Magikarp and Land/Shore Gyarados. Though my idea for them is maybe give Magikarp a Mudskipper (I know mudskip exist but it's just my crazy idea) looking body While give Gyarados a more Eastern Dragon looking form (including the 4 legs).
I feel like the solution on how to adapt them outside water is pretty easy - make them flying type. I know Gyarados is already flying type but if anything maybe it's a trait both forms retained from their common ancestry. The fins become wings, the scales become feathers. Gyarados ends up looking more like Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent God of the Aztecs.
This is similar to the idea I thought up when you mentioned those two before giving us the design. Magikarp would have been based on a lizard in my attempt but gyarados would still be a snake. However I actually like Toadscool and I feel it would have been hard to do, so I agree with Game Freaks decision to keep it out of the game.
Just a thought. Mimikarp could've had stubby legs that converged with magikarps lower fin that disappear/shrink upon evolution to show what your saying with the snake look-alike concept.
In my fan region, I’m making a regional magikarp/gyrados that’s a sandworm. Could’ve used that and made Magikarp be more elongated but still have the fins and whiskers.
Your interpretation was good. I think having more patterns on it's back would've conveyed the Snake idea better. I thought GameFreak would've saved that idea and have it in the next game. My thoughts was Gyarados would've been more inspired by a flying type and the origins of a traditional Chinese Dragon, have different colors and 'wings' ... it's hard to know/imagine.
My guess on not-Magikarp and not-Gyarados is that they would have been electric and then electric/ice. Reasoning: Diglett/Dugtrio: ground Wiglett/Wugtrio: water Water -> Ground Tentacool/Tentacruel: water/poison Toedscool/Toedscruel: grass/ground Grass -> water Ground -> poison The conversion forms always have (up to this point) the perfect type matchup against the original. Making Not-Magikarp electric and Not-Gyarados electric/ice makes sense due to: electric -> water Ice -> flying Additionally, it makes sense that these two were planned originally, since we have both Diglett and Wiglett and their evolutions in the game, but we only have Toedscool and Toedscruel, without Tentacool and Tentacruel being in Paldea. Magikarp and Gyarados however, ARE in Paldea, which makes sense in the counterpart aspect of conversion Pokèmon.
I think Magikarp could work if you base it off of the Phylliroe, a type of sea slug that has developed an extremely similar body plan to fish, and then maybe the Gyarados could become a kraken/mimic octopus hybrid. They're both aquatic, but this family of slugs is a really cool example of convergent evolution so I think it'd still work in the end
You could've just had a bird that looks like a magikarp in the sky's. And a gyarados based off of the quetzalcoatl. Water digglett and land tentacool doesn't have to be the limit.
I heard a rumor that we'll be able to buy rods for fishing at Delibird Presents in the DLC. Maybe the convergent magikarp line will still be living in the water :)
Honestly, I think there were better ways to get a fish out of the water. An interesting one IMO would've been to make it a desert dweller that "swims" rapidly through sand. Like, I've seen the concept used in RPGs before, and I've always thought it was a really cool concept, and while we already have the Gible line, it would've been cool to see something more fishlike doing it. Or alternatively, while you would have to change the typing, you could streamline the body a bit, replace the fins with wings, and made the convergent Magikarp a flying type. Or even give it some really fancy looking wings to make it a fairy type that floats kind of like Togekiss, until it evolves into a serpentine dragon that has Fairy typing and looks a far less savage than the OG Gyarados despite having many of the same features. Like, imagine a brightly colored gyarados thats incredibly friendly or something like that.
My first thought when I found out the internal name was referring to gyarados I pictured them keeping the goofy legs and ending up with a trogdor gyarados
for the Magikarp, I would make it look like a flatfish (like stunfisk but more like it's real life counterpart). I think part of what make these convergent Pokémon a thing is that at first glance they look like a regnal variant but you can tell they're not if you look a little closer (wiglit having a neck and toedscoll having legs), so you might also want to edit the deign of your Gyarados (or at least it's pose)
another theory is that Magikarp could very well be saved for a DLC content, either as convergent or even a Paradox considering Magikarp's lore in the dex.
Another idea for them could be flying fish having Magikarp as a flying type that divers into the water for food can mirror original Magikarp jumping out of the water. And Gyarados could be a flying dragon type as the convergent pokemon look 80-90% like the original changing the fins to wings could work
I think magicarp would be good as like a mudskipper pokemon, and evolve into a big salamander looking thing. But I do love the gyrados you made - snakes are my favorite
They should make a ghost water type magikarp with a gyarados that becomes a fairy dragon. It's story would be about a magikarp that seeks greatness and not even death could stop it. It's ability, Persevere : if it's hit with a super effective move, it will hold on with 1 health and its attack and special attack will go up 2 stages. When it evolves it becomes a golden gyarados which is a dragon fairy. It would be the first dragon fairy and the first pokemon to completely switch types upon evolution.
I believe Magikarp and Gyarados were removed simply because of time constraints. They don’t design Pokémon in pokedex order, so most likely they didn’t have time to design the designs so they replaced them with the Tentacool line since it was already finish and it was a 2 stage evolution.
Honestly, considering Magikarp being the Pokémon version of the carp myth, it could have been Ground/Dragon and gotten legs. Gyarados could have then been Ground/Dragon as well and looked like a traditional Asian dragon. I’d love to see this line get a decent dragon look (the mega evo was… weird. It looks like a mid point in the evolution instead of a step up). But I love these designs and they do sound super cool (though I now have a fear of Toadscul running…).
While Toadscool and Toadscruel are awesome designs in my opinion; having a convergant form for Magikarp/Gyarados would've been preferable. Especially if they looked something similar to this.
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I think making them birds would have worked too. Fins become wings.
@@astridposey that’s also a good idea!! Making them flying types would be pretty cool!
@@HoopsandHipHop I made a fakemon region with flying regional variants of Magikarp and Gyrados before I watched this vid :)
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I saw a cool idea for a Rock-type convergeant Magikarp called Tragikarp based on a shriveled, dead fish. It’d probably evolve into a Rock/Ghost type called Scarados.
I came up with the name for a Water/Ghost, Scareidos, over 10 Years ago!! 😂😂😂
That artist made the evolution too, Zenidos, it's a snake/zen tree that blooms from Tragikarp
@@valeriocapanni Gen 9 has yet another Gimmick?!
And it sounds literally like Regional Forms??
@@nenmaster5218 yesnt, the convergent forms, they are basically what Kleavor was in Legend Arceus. A Pokémon who evolved through time in a similar way to another Pokémon. Diglett and Wiglett, Tentacool and Toadscool are sadly the only two examples belonging to this "family" right now.
@@valeriocapanni A Pokemon who evolved through time in a similar way to another Pokémon?
I think it’s unfortunate that they got scrapped, but I think it was better that they scrapped them for the tentacool line. Magikarp’s line is Iconic already, but tentacool and tentacruel are generally forgotten, so it was good that they got something.
But Diglet is iconic too tho
@@Durpy215 yeah, but diglett’s other regional form was done dirty so he kinda deserved better
I really hope we see the convergent evolutions of Magikarp and Gyarados in the Scarlet and Violet DLC. I also hope to see a Paradox Past form of Magikarp where it is Water/Dragon and based on its Pokédex entry where the past form of Magikarp is stronger than its current descendant!
Watch that punk becomes and OP golden serpent water dragon 🐉
I sure hope so. I felt so cheated when I caught one in Legends and found it to actually be weaker than how it was in Sword and Shield.
Past Paradoxes really do a lot more interesting than Future ones
Don’t get hyped, they’ll just release Mamagikarp
I want past and future Eevee myself.
The name "Numerados" could also work in Japanese, since "nume nume" is the Japanese onomatopoeia (sound effect word) for the sound of moving through something sticky or slimy, such as mud, essentially being the Japanese equivalent of something like "squelch squelch" or "squish squish".
So a Ground-type Pokémon that looks very similar to Gyarados and "swims" in mud like how Gyarados swims in water could wind up having the name "Numerados".
Maybe it was a worm Pokemon but got cut as they already had the Steel type earthworm.
Also "Numerados" literally translates to "numbered" in Spanish 😅
Roddy rich: run up them numerator!
The reason why "Hill-Karp" and "Hill-Gyarados" are cut is pretty solid in this video I must say. It is indeed a bit difficult to pull off the same concept of them but on the land.
And since GameFreak even got artist block on Mega Flygon, I wouldn't blame them for having this issue on them either.
Wiglett and Toadscool however really made a good job pulling off the concept, Wiglett being the same meme creature as diglett but being a garden eel rather than a mole
Toadscool was a wordplay in Japanese, where a kind of fungus that grows on Tree is called "Tree jellyfish". So they made Toadscool a fungus Pokemon.
And Boy how I love Toadscool running around with its... legs? I assume it's made of mycelium, which resembles tentacool's tentacles.
I think magikarp and gyarados being so iconic would be even more reason to give them new forms.
Charizard has three different forms, and Magikarp/Gyarados are at least as iconic. Let’s show some love to other Pokemon for a change!
Might be dlc, otherwise this is a good window into how out of touch pokemon is....
Yeah look at all the Pikachu knockoffs
Convergent Magikarp would have been so cool! Imagine it was like really strong as magikarp!
I can imagine instead of fins it had wings, and maybe magikarp variant was more badass looking while the gyrados variant was more goofy
Personally, I would've liked something that looked like a large and savage looking Magikarp, about the size of a Basculegion, that was strong enough that it was a single stage evilution and didn't need to evolve. Although since the one that was cut did evolve, this wouldn't have happened.
Building off that, a convergent Pokémon where the Gyarados analog is really small and weak and is the base stage, and it evolves into a huge Magikarp-esque Pokémon that is the powerful, evolved one.
that description just sounds like the dratini evolution line 😆😆
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I think their names could be changed to fit the naming conventions of the existing regional fakes; where half of the portmanteau is carried over to the evolved form.
Maybe something like Magigart and Garterdos, after garter snakes?
That wouldn't make sense
Garter snakes are live bearers and plus these aren't based on Garters they're based on water snakes
That’s pretty cool!!! :)
Since not all name inspirations come primarily from their origins-
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True, meanwhile we have stuff like cyndaquil, the echidna "mouse" Pokemon, that evolves into an egg-laying badger because all Pokemon do that for some reason. :P
@@Friendstoyourend Pokémon naming conventions do not usually make sense 💀
My theory is that they may have wanted to save the gyrados redesign for a region they thought would fit better. Like if gen 10 Australia they could turn it into a eastern brown snake or something. Would fit better than Spain. That or instead of a convergent form maybe they decided a regional form would be better instead or what ever gimmick forms are like paradox pokemon.
Convergeant Type?!
Gen 9 has yet Another Gimmick?!
the fire type for a convergent line of magikarp would be so cool imo. maybe make a flying fish inspired design for magikarp, but instead of inhabiting water, they inhabit lava. and then for the gyarados evolution, make it into a fire/rock type (yknow bc when lava cools it hardens)
a name for the magikarp regional fake could be magmikarp (obviously from the word magma + magikarp), and the one for gyarados could be gabbrados (from a type of igneous rock called gabbro + gyarados)
Just a warning for anyone just now watching, it's a 12:43 minute video about Magikarp and Gyarados, no other cut Pokemon are discussed.
I believed that it's not about cut Pokemon, but Toadscool and Toadscruel are coded over the Magicarp and Cyarados code because Scarlet and Violet don't have normal Tentacool and Tentacruel but there is a normal Madicarp and Gyarados. But this is a nice theory as well.
I get this reasoning, however Diglett is in the Pladea dex in addition to Wiglett, so it must not be the case.
@@jikkermanccini Maybe because Paldea also has regular Digletts and Dugtrios
Love these two, but I guessed they were pure grass, being a seed and a twisted 'pine-tree' trunk. Magikorn (magic + corn preserving the phonetic K) and Gyarastem (preserving the possible 'reversal' meaning of gyarados and adding "stem").
A much more exciting idea for scrapping is that they maybe decided they were too good and would be perfect for DLC! We can dream at least....
I personally think the convergent Magikarp and Gyarados were cut from the main game so they could be added in with DLC. If you think about it, why do Tentacool and Tentacruel have convergent Pokémon when they are not even in the game? Diglett and Dugtrio are in the game despite having convergent Pokémon.
Could be, but its probably the other way around. All of them had to be in development but only Toedscool and Toedscrul got to a point where they were satisfied, so the decision to swap them would most likely have been made to give them more time to work on Magikarp and Gyarados.
If that's the case Tentacool, Tentacruel, and their counterparts may have originally been meant for the DLC instead, which if true means the former could come with it as well.
It could be dlc, I can see that, but honestly if it isn't it's just another reason why I think pokemon is going downhill
@@jackkawf4449 "pokemon is a terrible game because they didnt add a snake magikarp in an egg for the dlc"
@@xekeyo I mean it goes beyond that, basically they are out of touch with their fans, but even your interpretation shows your lack of comprehension.....
Gyarados is based on a Japanese koi wind sock. I forget what they're called. You could have leaned heavily into Gyarados' flying type and maybe give it a second non-water type. Dragon? But make it a kite? Then work backwards to make Magikarp's convergent design.
I do enjoy your snake designs though!
This makes even more sense when you consider that gyarados/ magikarp are based off the japanese legend of a koi swimming up a waterfall and becoming a dragon.
I do love this version of Magikarp and Gyarados version designs it's just a shame that they weren't on Pokemon Scarlet and Violet games when they're released back in November.
Other ideas for Magikarp and Gyarados are Mudskippers and Lungfish, both land fish. Mudkip isn't an Axolotl, he's a Mudskipper, which is a beach fish that blows bubbles and use their fins to sloppily move about on land. Lungfish hibernate essentially when rivers dry up, and can survive on land for a while. The cool thing about Pokemon is you can stretch reality to make either fit into a role they aren't normally in. One idea for the snake thing though is a relationship with Dunsparce, like Tsuchinoko is a short, fat snake. They would look more like Gyarados and Magikarp, but would be related to Dunsparce, and maybe have stuff like glare and coil like any other snake Pokemon basically.
I like the idea of Mimikarp how it follows its own theme of being a coward of not leaving its shell but until eventually it does come out of the shell it's kind of like how Magikarp is seen as weak but it's actually strong when it grows up one thing I would change is add an eggshell hat to its head To make it so look more of a timid
This is a really cool design for a cut Pokemon
I honestly would have liked to see the convergent forms of the Karp line and hope it gets added in the dlc I’ve been hearing about. They look amazing! Even if we only have their names in the files these designs feel like something GameFreak probably would have done!
Magikarp -> flying fish
Gyarados -> flying dragon (Eastern/lung dragon)
really i dont think magikarp and gyarados' iconicity has anything to do with it because jigglypuff got a paradox form and its just as well known
I'm surprised that there are only 2 pokemon in this video.
I would like to see more convergent Pokémon in a possible future DLC one day. Just like the regional forms, there are only two convergent Pokémon.
Admittedly I expected more than one line in the video, but I really like what you did with the convergent line for Magikarp and Gyarados. Gyarados is definitely the better of the two because it has more of a logical basis behind it (which is to be expected), but overall there’s a lot of creativity in the design and names. Bravo.
I’m sure Magikarp and Gyrados would have been Bug type, with Magikarp being a larva-esque Pokémon
I feel like making a bird version of Magikarp would work well, even though Gyarados is a flying type. Change Magikarp's fins to wings and it could look similar to flappy wings, then Gyarados could lose the water type and finally get the dragon typing it deserves and maybe having legs to be more like a Chinese dragon design
These designs are so clever! Finding cut Pokemon for this game already is really interesting and I'd love to see some more get leaked or found somehow. Also, congrats on 300k! ❤🔥❤🔥
Thank you, I appreciate it!! :)
@@HoopsandHipHop Np man! I love these kinds of videos :)
Would have loved to see a RF for magikarp and gyarados. Another idea for a different environment (forgoing keeping original typing) could be to make them birds. Similar to how Magikarp “walks” on land, use the fins as wings. Gyarados could be some sort of dragon similar to rayquaza. Could fit pretty naturally
They are both very clever. I would like to see a convergence Pokémon for Rapidash or Mudsdale, turned into sea horses.
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Magikarp and Gyarados were probably cut due to someone realizing that a land variation that looked exactly like its water counterpart (and just palette swapped) wasn't logical to getting around on terra firma. I pictured the fish walking upside-down on some very strong whiskers! XD
Nice design for both of them. Just wanted to sayx, when I first saw the name for Mimikarp, my thoughts were by pericarp, more concrete by endocarp, (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_anatomy#Pericarp_layers) which could also fit, considering the way you described its behaviour…
You make great videos I wish to see more videos talking about the animal connections to different Pokémon as a series
A single Evo Mon that looks like gyarados would work as a water Mon as something that evolved to look like gyarados for camouflage, otherwise I think having them in the desert area as a kind of sand swimmer would've worked
My guess with Convergent Magikarp and Gyarados is that they had a design that was good on paper but putting it in 3d probably killed the design and so they scrapped it and went with the others.
Or they've decided to save it for DLC.
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I do think these guys are awesome, but I’m also happy we got Toedscool since it’s so derpy with its run and I love it.
I'm sure the fandom would have a field day having a long, thin, brown pokemon that occasionally drops in the water named 'number two'
It would've been really cool to see something like this in the games, but I understand completely that it might've been scrapped due to how hard it was to make them convergents. Nice designs though!
I could be way off base here but Clodsire fits here too. Fish with mud sounds, convergent evos, ground type.
Toedscool and Toedscruel were silly, but they made so much sense I would have never known that they weren't even pkanned.
I imagine they were sitting around at a table trying to think of ideas for a convergent form for Magikarp and Gyarados when some random guy pops out “hey what if we made tentacool into a toadstool and called it toadscool” and then everyone cheered
I could see these guys coming in the dlc. Who knows, maybe they'll even give the convergent Magikarp the code name "OkaMenokurage" or something as a joke! Maybe even some more convergent mons like "Truleewoodo" who's an actual tree unlike sudowoodo, and a convergent Krabby based on Carcinization!
3:38 It's not last second, there were leaks and rumors long before release about a tentacool and a few months before release a mushroom Tentacool
I think a mudskipper inspired design would rlly work since mudskippers can’t really survive in water and are only rlly habitable in most muddy ground where it burrows in the dirt
They would definitely have been on my team if their design looked like that.
I mean its kinda easy. In the past, these two pokemon were found in a lake/sea bed that after a time became more and more surrounded by land AKA mountains started to form as the water was being drained like how you can find fossils of sea animals in deserts & mountains that would be too far from the sea.
The Magikarp and Gyarados had to adapt to the land around them more. Gyarados was already part flying so it could handle being on land but less water forced it to develop lungs and Magikarp had to create something like a breathing sack like mudskippers do.
So a Water/Ground and Ground/Flying type could work for them
We have seen cut Pokémon from older games but I always wondered what kind the newer games had
I love your designs, finding these in the swamp and chasing them down would have been awesome!
I'd have loved to see a variant of magikarp (now solid brow and dripping in mud) trying to use its fins as useless arms, dragging its body around and just being a pure ground type that still only knows splash because it just splashes about in the muk. When it evolves, Gyarados actually grows arms! Like an ancient Chinese dragon Gyarados is based on, long powerful arms but still retaining the snake body and perhaps growing a beard and remaining pure ground type just to be the opposite of its once flying type.
Can't wait for more videos!
It would've been a great idea, and I think this was a good attempt in designing a covergent species of the Magikarp line.
One could argue feebas is kind of a convergent form of magikarp
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I wanna see these convergent forms! They're so great!
The pokémon red and blue dex said that magikarp was strong in a distant past, so it would work just fine as a paradox
gyarados as a snake isn't a bad idea
These still could happen in a DLC.
Numerodos is like an air-tight S-tier name. Nice work!!
Incredible designs!! Woulda loved to see them!! 🤩🤩
I like what we got but if we were to get convergent magikarp and gyarados i think either basing it on a lung fish (so you can put it on land) or basing it on Cuelebre, a spanish snakelike dragon, (with small wings) and having magikarp be based on a snakefish and then having it be a dragon type evolving into dragon poison or dragon fairy type (it keeps treasure and fairys prisoner with magic)
I think this fits as they are both serpent like creatures that are based on draconic myth
I definitely understand why they scrapped it. Still a shame but I did think of this idea of a Magikarp convergent line that’d go from one snake to another. Similar to how you thought of a convergent based off snakes.
* The Magikarp convergent would be based of a tsuchinoko. Perhaps design wise they could turn the face on the side and have an odd growth to have it’d still resemble a Magikarp.
* The Gyarados variant could be based off an Anaconda (Possibly be called Gyaraboa)
I agree 💯. I checked Oka possible meanings since the names are Okakingu and Okagyarados which it seems it literally means Land/Shore Magikarp and Land/Shore Gyarados.
Though my idea for them is maybe give Magikarp a Mudskipper (I know mudskip exist but it's just my crazy idea) looking body
While give Gyarados a more Eastern Dragon looking form (including the 4 legs).
i like how the "most replayed" timestamp is just after the sponsor
I feel like the solution on how to adapt them outside water is pretty easy - make them flying type. I know Gyarados is already flying type but if anything maybe it's a trait both forms retained from their common ancestry. The fins become wings, the scales become feathers. Gyarados ends up looking more like Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent God of the Aztecs.
If they have a common ancestor, wouldn't be more similar to cetoddle and wailmer? It wouldn't be a convergent evolution any more
They wouldnt have common ancestors thats the entire point of them being convergent species they’re not related at all
I totally had an idea about a Grass Ground Milotic a couple of years ago! Love how this video is so close
As funny as the image of a bouncing egg karp is, Toedscool’s run animation is still my favorite new thing.
This is similar to the idea I thought up when you mentioned those two before giving us the design. Magikarp would have been based on a lizard in my attempt but gyarados would still be a snake. However I actually like Toadscool and I feel it would have been hard to do, so I agree with Game Freaks decision to keep it out of the game.
I still feel so betrayed that Iona's Magnemite hairpieces weren't regional variants. 😂
I think it'd be really sick if one day someone made a pokemon fangame that introduced all the cut pokemon
Just a thought. Mimikarp could've had stubby legs that converged with magikarps lower fin that disappear/shrink upon evolution to show what your saying with the snake look-alike concept.
Def love the take on the cut magikarp. It would be cool to make a form that was ocean floor and spooky as heck
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
In my fan region, I’m making a regional magikarp/gyrados that’s a sandworm. Could’ve used that and made Magikarp be more elongated but still have the fins and whiskers.
Your interpretation was good. I think having more patterns on it's back would've conveyed the Snake idea better. I thought GameFreak would've saved that idea and have it in the next game.
My thoughts was Gyarados would've been more inspired by a flying type and the origins of a traditional Chinese Dragon, have different colors and 'wings' ... it's hard to know/imagine.
My guess on not-Magikarp and not-Gyarados is that they would have been electric and then electric/ice.
Reasoning:
Diglett/Dugtrio: ground
Wiglett/Wugtrio: water
Water -> Ground
Tentacool/Tentacruel: water/poison
Toedscool/Toedscruel: grass/ground
Grass -> water
Ground -> poison
The conversion forms always have (up to this point) the perfect type matchup against the original.
Making Not-Magikarp electric and Not-Gyarados electric/ice makes sense due to:
electric -> water
Ice -> flying
Additionally, it makes sense that these two were planned originally, since we have both Diglett and Wiglett and their evolutions in the game, but we only have Toedscool and Toedscruel, without Tentacool and Tentacruel being in Paldea.
Magikarp and Gyarados however, ARE in Paldea, which makes sense in the counterpart aspect of conversion Pokèmon.
I like Toedscool and Toedscruel. The way they run is funny.
I think Magikarp could work if you base it off of the Phylliroe, a type of sea slug that has developed an extremely similar body plan to fish, and then maybe the Gyarados could become a kraken/mimic octopus hybrid. They're both aquatic, but this family of slugs is a really cool example of convergent evolution so I think it'd still work in the end
You could've just had a bird that looks like a magikarp in the sky's. And a gyarados based off of the quetzalcoatl. Water digglett and land tentacool doesn't have to be the limit.
Been looking forward to this all day @work! Lets go! 😁😁
I heard a rumor that we'll be able to buy rods for fishing at Delibird Presents in the DLC. Maybe the convergent magikarp line will still be living in the water :)
We definitely do need another magikarp species line
Honestly, I think there were better ways to get a fish out of the water. An interesting one IMO would've been to make it a desert dweller that "swims" rapidly through sand. Like, I've seen the concept used in RPGs before, and I've always thought it was a really cool concept, and while we already have the Gible line, it would've been cool to see something more fishlike doing it. Or alternatively, while you would have to change the typing, you could streamline the body a bit, replace the fins with wings, and made the convergent Magikarp a flying type. Or even give it some really fancy looking wings to make it a fairy type that floats kind of like Togekiss, until it evolves into a serpentine dragon that has Fairy typing and looks a far less savage than the OG Gyarados despite having many of the same features. Like, imagine a brightly colored gyarados thats incredibly friendly or something like that.
I like how you got just a few random pot 🍃 laying around
My first thought when I found out the internal name was referring to gyarados I pictured them keeping the goofy legs and ending up with a trogdor gyarados
for the Magikarp, I would make it look like a flatfish (like stunfisk but more like it's real life counterpart). I think part of what make these convergent Pokémon a thing is that at first glance they look like a regnal variant but you can tell they're not if you look a little closer (wiglit having a neck and toedscoll having legs), so you might also want to edit the deign of your Gyarados (or at least it's pose)
another theory is that Magikarp could very well be saved for a DLC content, either as convergent or even a Paradox considering Magikarp's lore in the dex.
Another idea for them could be flying fish having Magikarp as a flying type that divers into the water for food can mirror original Magikarp jumping out of the water. And Gyarados could be a flying dragon type as the convergent pokemon look 80-90% like the original changing the fins to wings could work
Is there exsist any info about scarlet and violet mythical pokemon?
The way he talks reminds me of when I’m trying to reach a word count on my school essays
So they cut the coolest things :(
I think magicarp would be good as like a mudskipper pokemon, and evolve into a big salamander looking thing. But I do love the gyrados you made - snakes are my favorite
10:42 there are fish who occasionally come onto land they are called mudskipers and other types of fish even have primitive lungs
They should make a ghost water type magikarp with a gyarados that becomes a fairy dragon. It's story would be about a magikarp that seeks greatness and not even death could stop it. It's ability, Persevere : if it's hit with a super effective move, it will hold on with 1 health and its attack and special attack will go up 2 stages. When it evolves it becomes a golden gyarados which is a dragon fairy. It would be the first dragon fairy and the first pokemon to completely switch types upon evolution.
I have to say the covergent of tentacool and tentacruel are pretty cool, these ones are much coller and totally deserved to be in the game.
I believe Magikarp and Gyarados were removed simply because of time constraints. They don’t design Pokémon in pokedex order, so most likely they didn’t have time to design the designs so they replaced them with the Tentacool line since it was already finish and it was a 2 stage evolution.
Bro the fact he hyped this up and it's literally just two pokemon
Honestly, considering Magikarp being the Pokémon version of the carp myth, it could have been Ground/Dragon and gotten legs. Gyarados could have then been Ground/Dragon as well and looked like a traditional Asian dragon. I’d love to see this line get a decent dragon look (the mega evo was… weird. It looks like a mid point in the evolution instead of a step up).
But I love these designs and they do sound super cool (though I now have a fear of Toadscul running…).
While Toadscool and Toadscruel are awesome designs in my opinion; having a convergant form for Magikarp/Gyarados would've been preferable. Especially if they looked something similar to this.
Here is an idea, is the milotic line a convergent evolution of Gyarados. And how many old Pokémon could be convergent Pokémon that came before