What do you think about Aerosoft Toolbar Pushback Pro? Do you see the advantages over the previous freeware version or do you think it's just a cashgrab after the pervious freeware got problematic to use with its memory leak? Let me know below!
I bought it today, basically it’s like the free one but at least it has no problems with the Fenix. I did two flights of 50 minutes each and didn’t encounter any problems. Regarding jittering, not happened to me using Fenix, first push was without Tug but smooth and on second flight the push was by Tug, both without any issues. I'm very surprised!
FS2Crew Pushback express is my favourite tool. Mostly for the reason it uses two-way audio communication which makes pushing back far more immersive. And there are no glitches like jittering or pushing the A/C back with no tug attached. And the developer is very responsive.
i bought it, but could not get a tug to work. It pushes, yes but not with tugs like GSX, at least for me. I'm still using GSX and it's alright. Overall I don't think FS2Crew is really that worth it in general
I used to have the same problem where the aircraft jitters around, but it only happens if you don’t let the tug connect first, which as you can see was not done in this video. Now if you arrive on stand at a gate that has no tug, click manual pushback and you’ll see the tug spawn up and connect. Just hit stop pushback and the tug will return to its spawn position and you can then plan your pushback as per normal. In the case the tug does not spawn (I believe this may have something to do with how the scenery devs have configured their parking positions and classified the stands), you can do everything as per usual, including the planning of the push, you just need to hit “hold” and it’ll smoothly push you back, albeit without the visual model of the tug. I’ve used TPBP for over 1 year now with the PMDGs, Fenix, Horizon 787 etc. and have had no issues since. At some addon airports like NZA Simulations Christchurch you even get scenery devs replacing the default white/blue tug with a very nice custom model, the only caveat being that there won’t be any voices and you’ll need to press the “hold” button when ready for your pushback. This has been my experience with the free TPBP and if they haven’t massively rewritten the code it should all carry over nicely. Agree that they could add a more detailed manual tho… took me a while to figure things out.
This should definitely be in the manual: The manual simply blames the non connecting tug on the airport scenery. For a freeware what you describe is totally understandable and okay, but if they turn it payware they should probably just do this internally... you know, as some kind of actually making it worth paying for.
In all reality, I’m perfectly happy with the built-in PMDG pushback or the freeware pushback program. I don’t really need to pay $10 to have a broken add-on. I just think this is ridiculous.
i almost exclusively flew the 737 in the last 4-5 months and *never* had an issue with the freeware pushback tool, altough the (experimental) voice lines almost never worked except randomly 2-3 times.. this wasn't a huge issue for me, and while the towing feature of the payware certainly is nice, i don't think i ever would have had use for it more than a couple times. i think i'll stick with the freeware version for now!
the Shift-P thing - I mean if you're gonna go to the trouble of creating and publishing a freeware package for other people to use, this is absolutely the kind of thing you should include as a feature, if it's easy to implement, which it seems to be!
I bought it this morning because. Attempted using it with the Headwind a330 at OMDB and it unfortunately did not work well at all. For some reason it would not recognize me releasing the brakes so I could not continue with the pushback. Feels like i wasted my money.
Im personally really tired of these devs and sales companies misleading buyers by stating features that either dont exist or are at the least inferior to their claims
I always had issues with the freeware version and PMDG 737s. . .until recently. What seemed to fix it for me was ensuring the "realistic parking brake" was set to ON. Since the freeware does what I need, I'm not "upgrading."
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Were you using the SU15 beta when you tested this? I noticed my freeware version got all messed up when I started using the beta. It spins me around in circles and generally moves me to places I did not program in the map.
Same here with Beta 15, but seemingly only with pre-planned pushbacks and not manual ones, some of the comments on here suggest attaching the tug before you want pushback, not sure if that's referring to the new payware version or will help with the spinning in the old free version, but i'll give it a try. It does seem a bit of a coincidence that the changes in the Beta that partly break the free version happen when the payware version is just being released.
Hi, how do I get the different accents? I only hear sometimes a different one at ground crews, e.g. in France and UK, but may other countrys only standard applies, and regarding cockpit, I always hear the standard clear German english. Does the program decide automatically, concerning the country you are currently in? and how does it work with flight crews, from the aircraft paint? There is sadly no information about that in the manual.
I think GSX covers pretty much all of my pushback needs for airliners. However, I'd love someone to create a lightweight pushback tool for GA/Bizjet aircraft for when the parking options don't leave you with any space to do a 180, something like the old "Toolbar pushback" where you could plan a mini route with a nice GUI, but without all the software conflicts & memory leaks. I think Aerosoft really missed a trick here.
It was great in the beginning phase of MSFS without GSX and stuff but I quickly moved away from it. That tool has caused so many CTDs for me, that I don't trust it anymore. It doesn't help that the payware UI looks very similar to the freeware, which triggers something in my brain. They should've rebranded it.
At least rebranded it and included some striking new features. Pull capability on an automatic pushback... is that really it? Seems so for normal ops to me.
One thing I liked in xp11 with toolbar pushback; you could literally pull your plane across the entire airport, so I would pretend that I was being parked off stand while I planned my next flight. Than I would have it tugged back to a gate for the next leg. GSX can't do that. I think the free version is great for people that just want a decent push back. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with GSX, its not perfect but they've done a good job improving.
The previous free version works fine. There is talk of a memory leak, but is it really there? I have had no problems at all, even after a long flight across the Pacific Ocean.
My initial thoughts: Not very well suited product. Here are the details of my findings: I was able to complete a few pushbacks. Voices are good, flows are good (very VATSIM friendly), push + pull works well, editor works well and intuitive BUT lifting does not work for some reason. You can turn that off fortunately. Other than that: No clear sign with pin simulated like in GSX and generally with gsx you must be cautious ... 1. after spawning at the airport, connect the tug via toolbar pushback 2. then you can interact with GSX normally 3. this also implies, that Fenix2GSX must not start any gsx actions automatically after spawning at the gate and another thing: For the tool to recognize that parking brakes are set after pushback completion at least one engine must be running. So it requires to start at least one engine to disconnect the tug Would recommend it for 10 euros but the gsx incompatibilities are quite severe
Some additional information to the issue with GSX + Toolbar pushback combination: The problem is: The Toolbar pushback plugin calls a pushback truck from Asobo. As soon as we interact with GSX in any way, GSX deletes all the default ground vehices including the pushback truck that toolbar pushback activates. In Fenix2GSX you would need to disable automatic replacement, automatic jetway, PCA and so on. Anything that is connected to GSX
IRC the jitter on the PMDG was an issue in the free version and was linked to the realistic parking brake system that PMDG added. PMDG have subsequently added the option for a one button set/release of the parking brake in the menus and with that selected I haven't had a problem since.
@@ShintaroNikki I've had that quite recently, can't honestly say it was with the 737. I think I went back into the mod (talking free version here) and I hadn't finished the pushback properly, had just press hold and not clicked finish pushback.
i'm pretty sure there was a time when you were able to do a push pull with the freeware version.... I wonder if the inibuilds issue is fixed, where when used with inibuilds planes the plane would pop a wheelie
There's another issue with the PMDG pushback, visible in your video. The nosewheel does not respond to tug movements to steer it but the aircraft steers anyway. This isn't only a problem with Toolbar Pushback Pro (and Free), it's even a problem with their own, built in, pushback system. I think it's fair to say pushback in the 737 is a mess.
Thanks for the vid I was going to get this but not anymore. I add it to my wishlist. I’m not paying full price for something that’s not fully functional.
I had a job to do, 128 FSEconomy passengers were waiting to be flown to EPBY. What followed was a somewhat embarrassing situation with toolbar pushback pro yesterday at EGPH with the Fenix A320 on the vatsim network. I planned a pushback and experimented with the options. I do not know what went wrong, but suddenly the only selectable button was the “Plan a Pushback“ button. All other options where greyed out. To be fair, I don’t know if this is a pebtac problem or a software bug. Anyway, I informed my polite vatsim ground controller to cancel my requested push and start. Then I exited the sim and tried another run. This time I had a nice, almost perfect pushback until I dismissed the tug. I had both engines running and ask the tower for taxi clearance. After cleared for taxi, I gently advanced the power levers but the aircraft did not move. Even with toga thrust, no movement. Btw, chocks were removed, and the parking brake was released. Stuck at the taxiway, I again had to contact the controller and asked him to cancel the flight. Tbh, I don’t know whether my own incompetency or “Pushback Pro“ is to blame. 128 Passenger still waiting for the flight. 🤣😂🤣✈Wtf!
I ended up buying it. I have tried the freeware version and for whatever reason it does not work at all on my system. I tried it with both the PMDG and the Fenix and it worked perfectly.
Emi, I know that there is a race among TH-camrs to be the first to make a review so that they get the most views, but you should be more careful before being so critical… I was a user of the free version but had a couple of issues with it. I didn’t want to buy GSX which would give me things I personally don’t need, so I was waiting for this new payware version. I hesitated after your review, but then went to see British AvGeek review wich is less critical and decide to go for it. I just installed it and did my first pushback flawlessly. The pushback was at EBLG, and the french accent voice of the ground crew is certainly worth the price I paid, and also I don’t have the issues I had with the freeware. Honestly, for me, worth the 10€ i paid for it. So, maybe think about going deeper into the addon before being so critical…
Couldn't agree more. Likewise, GSX is overkill for my needs and I was more that happy to contribute a few GBP to the developer of Toolbar Pushback for his efforts with the freeware version, which i've used since initial release and always worked well for me! I purchased yesterday and had four short flights last night without issue. The new features are most welcome. Absolutely the responsibility of the reviewer to mention the issues observed using their own setup, but it would be a shame for the success of the product to be made or broken on the basis of such an early review. Clearly it isn't working well for Emm for whatever reason. For me however, so far it appears to be money well spent and pleased to have been able to support the developer (regardless of whether this was via Aerosoft or not!).
GSX coupled with good airport profiles (including real life pushback procedures) is still the way to go for me. Even better with the new pull feature. Though I'm curious about how other Vatsim pilots see you, as GSX way of doing it may breaks the immersion for others. (Though it could maybe be resolved with GSX and vPilot devs working together on a solution)
wouldnt expect GSX or vpilot to work together. its been over a decade so safe to say it wont be happening. Enjoy seeing other planes do wheelies as they push back with GSX :)
There's always GSX or FS2Crews Pushback Express if you want to go payware and I think there are some more freewares out there as well. Many payware aircraft also include their own system.
I usually use GSX or the external tool pushback-helper if gsx fails or i don't want to spoil others immersion on Vatsim with the weird GSX Nose in the Air Pushes.
im using the 1.4.1 freware version since ever (I have no GSX) and it works perfectly for me with pmdg, fenix, or any other add on...if they are big enough to use the big tug...the GA tug one works only in manual for me but I may trysome shift+p stuff and see if that may help. I may consider taking this payware for a test or so as it has some small stuff (like pull) that I would like and I think I can afford wasting my money (even tho I dont like doing that if its really not even working as well as the free one). (also jfyi im not in beta program and have the ms store version with all deluxe stuff)
It needs to bake a little. FS2Crew Pushback Express with its newer version works fantastic. I just need something to push all my aircraft back when I need it (GA and Jets). Don't really waste my time watching a looping visual and sound pack from GSX.
Ich hatte irgendwann Probleme mit GSX. Mal ist es gestartet, mal hab ich kein Menu bekommen. Am Ende hab ich es deinstalliert und nutze nur noch die Pushbackfunktion in den FBW/Horizon Cockpits. Da das Pushback Tool, das Aerosoft jetzt rausgebracht hat im Original Problem mit dem FBW A32NX hatte, sehe ich kein Grund, warum ich dafür jetzt auch noch Geld ausgeben sollte. GSX wieder zum Laufen zu bringen, fände ich viel interessanter.
Ich habe mir den Mist gekauft. Aber total unzufrieden. Bei gekauften Flugzeugen zeigt es kein schlepper an beim Planen und abfahren der Punkte wie am Schluss ohne Eingabe das Flugzeug nach vorne gezogen. Gezahlt und funktioniert nicht richtig
This product is not at a state where I believe it is worth paying for. Hopefully some updates will make this work well enough that I would consider purchasing it.
Danke, dass du mich davor bewahrt hast, die 10€ aus dem Flugzeug zu werfen! Die Freeware von Toolbar Pushback macht alles was sie soll. Lediglich das mit der Map funktioniert da nicht so gut, aber damit kann ich leben.
I typically listen to your videos as a podcast when driving to work or on train. I think it would be nice if you read out the things you were talking about, because then I have really no possibility to take the phone and see what table you are talking about. Thanks!
When I saw the trailer for it, I already thought that it was like the pushback tool from MSFS, i.e. almost stolen and offered as payware. I would purchase with caution.
Used to have the freeware version with the jittering on the PMDG. I was sure that for the payware version it would have disappeared but no. What a scam. I regret having paid 10€ for this. They took all this time to publish a payware which is the same than the freeware. Maybe the worst 10€ I have spent on addon
I used to have the same problem where the aircraft jitters around, but it only happens if you don’t let the tug connect first, which as you can see was not done in this video. Now if you arrive on stand at a gate that has no tug, click manual pushback and you’ll see the tug spawn up and connect. Just hit stop pushback and the tug will return to its spawn position and you can then plan your pushback as per normal. In the case the tug does not spawn (I believe this may have something to do with how the scenery devs have configured their parking positions and classified the stands), you can do everything as per usual, including the planning of the push, you just need to hit “hold” and it’ll smoothly push you back, albeit without the visual model of the tug. I’ve used TPBP for over 1 year now with the PMDGs, Fenix, Horizon 787 etc. and have had no issues since. At some addon airports like NZA Simulations Christchurch you even get scenery devs replacing the default white/blue tug with a very nice custom model, the only caveat being that there won’t be any voices and you’ll need to press the “hold” button when ready for your pushback. This has been my experience with the free TPBP and if they haven’t massively rewritten the code it should all carry over nicely. Agree that they could add a more detailed manual tho… took me a while to figure things out.
@@iaexo This would surely be stuff that would have been nice to know from the manual. But in there it only says as much as if your tug doesn't connect it's due to incompability with the addon scenery".
You can still download that twotter on aerosoft one though. I just checked as that is a topic I want to cover in a future video indeed. They stopped updating it, but you still have your product and are able to use it.
I agree with your thoughts in general, but I would say that you can turn off the ATC voices in Accessibility Options. I do that so I can keep the voice volume bar where I like without hearing the awful in game ATC 😂
This tool looks like a complete joke. I also noticed the nose wheel remains straight even when the plane is being turned, May as well just use the free version.
Have no problems at all with the tool and can't recreate the shown behaviour. Have tested a lot of planes. And you have to connect the tug before you start the push.
I recorded the video on my laptop as I'm currently on layover. I never had GSX installed on my laptop in first place. The productmanual blames it on incombability with addon airports.
Wouldn't be surprised. I remember Mathijs was the one who posted the original announcement back then (or was he?), which they quickly had to remove again after they got a shitstorm for marketing what seemed to be basically the same tool.
That was me indeed. Not involved with the tool itself. Clearly, from PMDG, we can't recommend this tool right now, but I will contact my friends at Aerosoft to see if changes will be made to ensure compatibility.
That tool is a cheek. It isn't working at all. Not only with the PMDG 737. Tried it with the CRJ, opened the configurator for the position, set a position and then the tool hung up. The space of the positioning window used was then blocked for all other toolbar windows. It seems, there is no usable Push-Back Solution available. Sadly GSX pro is also crap, yesterday I've uninstalled it, because I am totally annoyed of its constant crashes and errors. It seems, I have to stick to the built in pushback solution (which is also crap, but at least it works).
Aerosoft is absolutly shameless 😂 As allways 👍🏼 They have there A330 in there trailer😅 must be there for doeing a bad joke I hope no one give them one cent
GSX should copy this pushback mode... "quickedit", for example, is extremely annoying and time-consuming The GSX boss once said that this wasn't possible in MSFS...looks like he was wrong.
I never said that, of course. I said it's not possible where it would be useful: on the actual 3d scenery, which is how GSX works on P3D, which **DOES** allow that. MSFS STILL doesn't allow a mouse interface on the 3D scenery.
And where, exactly, I put the "blame on others"? A mouse interface on the 3d scenery is currently not possible, and nobody has made one, this is a fact. A mouse interface on the 2d map view is clearly possible (the free Toolbar pushback had it years ago), and nowhere I ever said otherwise.
Maybe there is some misunderstanding regarding languages here. (English is not my native language), but I never said that a 2d or 3d interface made a difference... it's the way it is done that makes it.@@umbertocolapicchioni2467
Not really. Different products. If you bought GSX only for the pushback, you made a bad investment :) Funny, I use GSX for boarding, but the freeware tool for pushback, so this new option may be interesting for me, besides GSX :)
@@A330Driverprobably, I’m not a real pilot so it is this is how I can get something like boarding passengers and cargo. I don’t like the pushback stuff with profiles you need to find or worse, create. Or stick with may be ish pushback. So I rather use the pushback toolbar for that
Looks simply awful. I had hopes for it but now I will keep far far away. Thank you very much for showing us an honest review! The voices problem would make it incompatible with ANY non MSFS ATC, not only Vatsim, I use for example Pilot2ATC and would end up in the same mess.
You may need to update this video my friend. Aerosoft did an update and it seems to have fixed the issue with the PMDG and also works outstanding with the Fenix. I love this tool. I think GSX is trash personally, I watch all the work that people do to maintain that and I just laugh. I get great pushbacks from this tool. My point of view only though.
I'll check it out again when I get back home. Tell me though: What do you prefer with the payware over the freeware version? What do you think makes it worth paying for it?
@@A330Driver so from what I can tell the payware version works with every default aircraft and now that they seemed to have fixed the PMDG issue it works with all the good payware planes. It works perfect with the Fenix and the a300 as well. Also, the pull feature has already came in very handy at some airports I recently departed from. Lastly, I was an exclusive user of the free ware before this version came out, I can say with certainty the planning piece of the free ware is borked, a lot of times it would glitch out and not work, no pull feature, and got red flagged by the Fenix. Lastly, Aerosoft seems to be updating as they said they would so I only see this getting better. For me it’s about the simplicity of getting a great pushback without the hassle of GSX. I like to watch GSX when people do it, but I don’t like other programs that require a bunch of updates and maintenance from me when really all I want is a great pushback. People have to down load profiles just to get a good pushback from gsx. I’m not into that, but I’m glad people enjoy it. It’s all preference I guess.
Somehow looks even worse than the freeware version. I used the freeware one for a long time until I decided to get GSX a year or so ago. The freeware worked decently I suppose aside from some bugs especially when using the Fenix, but overall GSX is far superior even if it does have some issues
I mean, have you tried reverse thrust to back out of a gate??? My senpai Airforceproud95 says that hasn't been in protocol since the 1980's but I don't believe him. :D Seriously though, I'll stick with GSX, even if any errors or issues with it are DEFINITELY my or MSFS' fault and absolutely not the developer...
Procedures are unrealistic, they're reluctant to learn and improve, customer service is a desaster, they mostly blame the customer for their issues.
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A payware to have forward towing. Rest (xbox/vr support) doesn't affect me. Different language accents? GSX made a joke of it. VATSIM speedup? Can't imagine it. The Free one is quick enough. It's a no for me. I'll wait for updates...
@ Shortly before I left my old employer we were running audits that dealt with morons working slow. And we reported everyone who didn't work at least tow times faster than GSX.
wth is this mess lol xD How is it even possible that after close to 4 years we still don't have a pushback addon comparable to the one xplane has xD.. And how in gods name do they dare to ask money for this crap xD. We have been absolutely trashing CS in the community, yet we take these scams without a problem. Interesting.
Bet it doesn't lift the aircraft like the gsx ones do. Will stick to gsx here. Aerosoft tend to keep releasing buggy products.. think they've had their day....
Tell me again next time it takes three minutes to prepare the pushback or has the marshaller standing around doing nothing instead of his work. There's so many logical flaws in its procedures, it is certainly not good.
What do you think about Aerosoft Toolbar Pushback Pro? Do you see the advantages over the previous freeware version or do you think it's just a cashgrab after the pervious freeware got problematic to use with its memory leak?
Let me know below!
Garbage! But as always, thanks for your excellent review. I appreciate your honest assessments!
@A330Driver Apparently the jittering with the PMDG is caused by the SU15 beta… That’s what Aerosoft support told me
@@thomasmorel1447 Then why does the manual say something different? Ah, Aerosoft. Always fun to deal with them...
Having seen this video, I think I'll stay with GSX, thanks.
I bought it today, basically it’s like the free one but at least it has no problems with the Fenix.
I did two flights of 50 minutes each and didn’t encounter any problems.
Regarding jittering, not happened to me using Fenix, first push was without Tug but smooth and on second flight the push was by Tug, both without any issues.
I'm very surprised!
FS2Crew Pushback express is my favourite tool. Mostly for the reason it uses two-way audio communication which makes pushing back far more immersive. And there are no glitches like jittering or pushing the A/C back with no tug attached. And the developer is very responsive.
i bought it, but could not get a tug to work. It pushes, yes but not with tugs like GSX, at least for me. I'm still using GSX and it's alright. Overall I don't think FS2Crew is really that worth it in general
I used to have the same problem where the aircraft jitters around, but it only happens if you don’t let the tug connect first, which as you can see was not done in this video. Now if you arrive on stand at a gate that has no tug, click manual pushback and you’ll see the tug spawn up and connect. Just hit stop pushback and the tug will return to its spawn position and you can then plan your pushback as per normal.
In the case the tug does not spawn (I believe this may have something to do with how the scenery devs have configured their parking positions and classified the stands), you can do everything as per usual, including the planning of the push, you just need to hit “hold” and it’ll smoothly push you back, albeit without the visual model of the tug. I’ve used TPBP for over 1 year now with the PMDGs, Fenix, Horizon 787 etc. and have had no issues since. At some addon airports like NZA Simulations Christchurch you even get scenery devs replacing the default white/blue tug with a very nice custom model, the only caveat being that there won’t be any voices and you’ll need to press the “hold” button when ready for your pushback.
This has been my experience with the free TPBP and if they haven’t massively rewritten the code it should all carry over nicely. Agree that they could add a more detailed manual tho… took me a while to figure things out.
This should definitely be in the manual: The manual simply blames the non connecting tug on the airport scenery.
For a freeware what you describe is totally understandable and okay, but if they turn it payware they should probably just do this internally... you know, as some kind of actually making it worth paying for.
I laughed very hard when I saw how horrendous that pushback was
If I have the old freeware installed and still working, does that count as stealing?
LOL
No, because they stated the the freeware will still be available but won’t have some of the features of the pro version
@@markvanheerden2195you mean the free Version will have no bugs and problems from the paid one.
In all reality, I’m perfectly happy with the built-in PMDG pushback or the freeware pushback program. I don’t really need to pay $10 to have a broken add-on. I just think this is ridiculous.
I use a old freeware version with the PMDG and it just works fine. Never going to touch an Aerosoft product.
It isn't aerosoft it is the same guy who did the free one just distributed by aerosoft
It's was bought by Aerosoft and he still works on it.
i almost exclusively flew the 737 in the last 4-5 months and *never* had an issue with the freeware pushback tool, altough the (experimental) voice lines almost never worked except randomly 2-3 times.. this wasn't a huge issue for me, and while the towing feature of the payware certainly is nice, i don't think i ever would have had use for it more than a couple times. i think i'll stick with the freeware version for now!
the Shift-P thing - I mean if you're gonna go to the trouble of creating and publishing a freeware package for other people to use, this is absolutely the kind of thing you should include as a feature, if it's easy to implement, which it seems to be!
I personally prefer Fs2crew pushback addon, i find great that you can talk to the operator
I bought it this morning because. Attempted using it with the Headwind a330 at OMDB and it unfortunately did not work well at all. For some reason it would not recognize me releasing the brakes so I could not continue with the pushback. Feels like i wasted my money.
I have it and it's good for me, to have the voice and the tug you have to connect it and after start the push
Anyone who thinks a pushback addon can be a replacement for gsx is off their rocker.
As a software developer I can confirm that jittering is a feature and not a bug.
So Aerosoft took Toolbar Pushback, broke it, and then released it for sale?
I believe it's actually the original programs developer who turned to Aerosoft to just sell it.
right... yet still, the freeware version does not exhibit this problem with the PMDG 737. I've been using it since the PMDG was released. @@A330Driver
What about the Fenix? Still getting the incopatibility warning?
Im personally really tired of these devs and sales companies misleading buyers by stating features that either dont exist or are at the least inferior to their claims
I always had issues with the freeware version and PMDG 737s. . .until recently. What seemed to fix it for me was ensuring the "realistic parking brake" was set to ON. Since the freeware does what I need, I'm not "upgrading."
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Does this still have the memory leak issues that the freeware one had?
That is a good question, I would like to buy it but cause this past issue I first would like to know too
Were you using the SU15 beta when you tested this? I noticed my freeware version got all messed up when I started using the beta. It spins me around in circles and generally moves me to places I did not program in the map.
Yes, I was. Didn't have the problems you mentioned though.
Same here with Beta 15, but seemingly only with pre-planned pushbacks and not manual ones, some of the comments on here suggest attaching the tug before you want pushback, not sure if that's referring to the new payware version or will help with the spinning in the old free version, but i'll give it a try. It does seem a bit of a coincidence that the changes in the Beta that partly break the free version happen when the payware version is just being released.
GSX is just way better.
Hi, how do I get the different accents? I only hear sometimes a different one at ground crews, e.g. in France and UK, but may other countrys only standard applies, and regarding cockpit, I always hear the standard clear German english.
Does the program decide automatically, concerning the country you are currently in? and how does it work with flight crews, from the aircraft paint?
There is sadly no information about that in the manual.
I think GSX covers pretty much all of my pushback needs for airliners. However, I'd love someone to create a lightweight pushback tool for GA/Bizjet aircraft for when the parking options don't leave you with any space to do a 180, something like the old "Toolbar pushback" where you could plan a mini route with a nice GUI, but without all the software conflicts & memory leaks. I think Aerosoft really missed a trick here.
It was great in the beginning phase of MSFS without GSX and stuff but I quickly moved away from it. That tool has caused so many CTDs for me, that I don't trust it anymore. It doesn't help that the payware UI looks very similar to the freeware, which triggers something in my brain. They should've rebranded it.
At least rebranded it and included some striking new features. Pull capability on an automatic pushback... is that really it? Seems so for normal ops to me.
One thing I liked in xp11 with toolbar pushback; you could literally pull your plane across the entire airport, so I would pretend that I was being parked off stand while I planned my next flight. Than I would have it tugged back to a gate for the next leg. GSX can't do that. I think the free version is great for people that just want a decent push back. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with GSX, its not perfect but they've done a good job improving.
The previous free version works fine.
There is talk of a memory leak, but is it really there?
I have had no problems at all, even after a long flight across the Pacific Ocean.
My initial thoughts: Not very well suited product. Here are the details of my findings:
I was able to complete a few pushbacks. Voices are good, flows are good (very VATSIM friendly), push + pull works well, editor works well and intuitive
BUT lifting does not work for some reason. You can turn that off fortunately. Other than that: No clear sign with pin simulated like in GSX and generally with gsx you must be cautious ...
1. after spawning at the airport, connect the tug via toolbar pushback
2. then you can interact with GSX normally
3. this also implies, that Fenix2GSX must not start any gsx actions automatically after spawning at the gate
and another thing: For the tool to recognize that parking brakes are set after pushback completion at least one engine must be running. So it requires to start at least one engine to disconnect the tug
Would recommend it for 10 euros but the gsx incompatibilities are quite severe
Some additional information to the issue with GSX + Toolbar pushback combination:
The problem is: The Toolbar pushback plugin calls a pushback truck from Asobo. As soon as we interact with GSX in any way, GSX deletes all the default ground vehices including the pushback truck that toolbar pushback activates.
In Fenix2GSX you would need to disable automatic replacement, automatic jetway, PCA and so on. Anything that is connected to GSX
IRC the jitter on the PMDG was an issue in the free version and was linked to the realistic parking brake system that PMDG added. PMDG have subsequently added the option for a one button set/release of the parking brake in the menus and with that selected I haven't had a problem since.
have you had any issues with taxing in the 737? I move the throttle and I go nowhere. Feel like this mod is doing it to me.
@@ShintaroNikki I've had that quite recently, can't honestly say it was with the 737. I think I went back into the mod (talking free version here) and I hadn't finished the pushback properly, had just press hold and not clicked finish pushback.
After view this, I stay with the free version. Works excellent with A320 FBW. Thanks for the video!
i'm pretty sure there was a time when you were able to do a push pull with the freeware version....
I wonder if the inibuilds issue is fixed, where when used with inibuilds planes the plane would pop a wheelie
This was a borderline purchase decision for me, your video has made my decision robust - I will await improvements if they come.
Yeah I was thinking of buying it right away myself but then I thought I wait. The freeware version works fine most of the time.
Works fine with PMDG 737 for me i see the video maker didn't bother to connect the tug rookie mistake or a stupid one?
They are charging for this?
9,99$ plus tax
Are you going to review SoFlys Aircraft lightining pro?
Has this solved the massive memory leak that the freeware version had?
There's another issue with the PMDG pushback, visible in your video. The nosewheel does not respond to tug movements to steer it but the aircraft steers anyway. This isn't only a problem with Toolbar Pushback Pro (and Free), it's even a problem with their own, built in, pushback system. I think it's fair to say pushback in the 737 is a mess.
I’ve just survived to date with each addons respective built in pushback on the FMC or the addon’s tablet. They seem to get me where I need to be.
Thank you for trying this so I didn't have to ! :)
Its funny how the freeware ver works better than the Payware
Any info about a320 Neo inibuilds ?
I am not aware of any.
Thanks for the vid I was going to get this but not anymore. I add it to my wishlist. I’m not paying full price for something that’s not fully functional.
I had a job to do, 128 FSEconomy passengers were waiting to be flown to EPBY. What followed was a somewhat embarrassing situation with toolbar pushback pro yesterday at EGPH with the Fenix A320 on the vatsim network. I planned a pushback and experimented with the options. I do not know what went wrong, but suddenly the only selectable button was the “Plan a Pushback“ button. All other options where greyed out. To be fair, I don’t know if this is a pebtac problem or a software bug. Anyway, I informed my polite vatsim ground controller to cancel my requested push and start. Then I exited the sim and tried another run. This time I had a nice, almost perfect pushback until I dismissed the tug. I had both engines running and ask the tower for taxi clearance. After cleared for taxi, I gently advanced the power levers but the aircraft did not move. Even with toga thrust, no movement. Btw, chocks were removed, and the parking brake was released. Stuck at the taxiway, I again had to contact the controller and asked him to cancel the flight. Tbh, I don’t know whether my own incompetency or “Pushback Pro“ is to blame. 128 Passenger still waiting for the flight. 🤣😂🤣✈Wtf!
I ended up buying it. I have tried the freeware version and for whatever reason it does not work at all on my system. I tried it with both the PMDG and the Fenix and it worked perfectly.
Emi, I know that there is a race among TH-camrs to be the first to make a review so that they get the most views, but you should be more careful before being so critical…
I was a user of the free version but had a couple of issues with it. I didn’t want to buy GSX which would give me things I personally don’t need, so I was waiting for this new payware version.
I hesitated after your review, but then went to see British AvGeek review wich is less critical and decide to go for it.
I just installed it and did my first pushback flawlessly. The pushback was at EBLG, and the french accent voice of the ground crew is certainly worth the price I paid, and also I don’t have the issues I had with the freeware. Honestly, for me, worth the 10€ i paid for it.
So, maybe think about going deeper into the addon before being so critical…
Couldn't agree more.
Likewise, GSX is overkill for my needs and I was more that happy to contribute a few GBP to the developer of Toolbar Pushback for his efforts with the freeware version, which i've used since initial release and always worked well for me! I purchased yesterday and had four short flights last night without issue. The new features are most welcome.
Absolutely the responsibility of the reviewer to mention the issues observed using their own setup, but it would be a shame for the success of the product to be made or broken on the basis of such an early review. Clearly it isn't working well for Emm for whatever reason. For me however, so far it appears to be money well spent and pleased to have been able to support the developer (regardless of whether this was via Aerosoft or not!).
Considering the freeware version does like 90% of that and Aerosoft have been horrific for a long time, it's a pass. Thanks for previewing it though.
Already tried it and I absolutely love it. Simple, straight forward, no needless stuff around it.
GSX coupled with good airport profiles (including real life pushback procedures) is still the way to go for me. Even better with the new pull feature. Though I'm curious about how other Vatsim pilots see you, as GSX way of doing it may breaks the immersion for others. (Though it could maybe be resolved with GSX and vPilot devs working together on a solution)
wouldnt expect GSX or vpilot to work together. its been over a decade so safe to say it wont be happening. Enjoy seeing other planes do wheelies as they push back with GSX :)
Updated vPilot which will fix the wrong pitch attitude on Vatsim will be out March 1st.
@@umbertocolapicchioni2467 great! Thank you 🙏
Is there other pushback programs....?
There's always GSX or FS2Crews Pushback Express if you want to go payware and I think there are some more freewares out there as well. Many payware aircraft also include their own system.
I usually use GSX or the external tool pushback-helper if gsx fails or i don't want to spoil others immersion on Vatsim with the weird GSX Nose in the Air Pushes.
The updated vPilot client, which will be out March 1st, will fix that.
im using the 1.4.1 freware version since ever (I have no GSX) and it works perfectly for me with pmdg, fenix, or any other add on...if they are big enough to use the big tug...the GA tug one works only in manual for me but I may trysome shift+p stuff and see if that may help. I may consider taking this payware for a test or so as it has some small stuff (like pull) that I would like and I think I can afford wasting my money (even tho I dont like doing that if its really not even working as well as the free one). (also jfyi im not in beta program and have the ms store version with all deluxe stuff)
Is this out on Xbox now?
Hmmm, money grab for sure. Looks to be another rushed product for quick cash.
Rushed ? Not really. They had & months to develop a very simple addon and they had the freeware as a start
Rushed in terms of open items like the Ctrl+P click when starting a pushback with PMDG I support. And on that point I have to agree.
It needs to bake a little. FS2Crew Pushback Express with its newer version works fantastic. I just need something to push all my aircraft back when I need it (GA and Jets). Don't really waste my time watching a looping visual and sound pack from GSX.
Especially one that takes ages longer than real world!
Ich hatte irgendwann Probleme mit GSX. Mal ist es gestartet, mal hab ich kein Menu bekommen. Am Ende hab ich es deinstalliert und nutze nur noch die Pushbackfunktion in den FBW/Horizon Cockpits. Da das Pushback Tool, das Aerosoft jetzt rausgebracht hat im Original Problem mit dem FBW A32NX hatte, sehe ich kein Grund, warum ich dafür jetzt auch noch Geld ausgeben sollte. GSX wieder zum Laufen zu bringen, fände ich viel interessanter.
Ich habe mir den Mist gekauft. Aber total unzufrieden. Bei gekauften Flugzeugen zeigt es kein schlepper an beim Planen und abfahren der Punkte wie am Schluss ohne Eingabe das Flugzeug nach vorne gezogen. Gezahlt und funktioniert nicht richtig
This product is not at a state where I believe it is worth paying for. Hopefully some updates will make this work well enough that I would consider purchasing it.
My goodness. Looks like it should have stayed freeware.
Danke, dass du mich davor bewahrt hast, die 10€ aus dem Flugzeug zu werfen! Die Freeware von Toolbar Pushback macht alles was sie soll. Lediglich das mit der Map funktioniert da nicht so gut, aber damit kann ich leben.
I typically listen to your videos as a podcast when driving to work or on train. I think it would be nice if you read out the things you were talking about, because then I have really no possibility to take the phone and see what table you are talking about. Thanks!
When I saw the trailer for it, I already thought that it was like the pushback tool from MSFS,
i.e. almost stolen and offered as payware.
I would purchase with caution.
It is the pushback tool from msfs…..same developer…..but a payware version that offers more features than the freeware.
I use TP (free version) for GA only and use GSX for commercial. There are no features here that would compel me to purchase it.
Used to have the freeware version with the jittering on the PMDG. I was sure that for the payware version it would have disappeared but no. What a scam.
I regret having paid 10€ for this.
They took all this time to publish a payware which is the same than the freeware.
Maybe the worst 10€ I have spent on addon
I for sure have yet to see the big differences between the freeware and the payware.
I used to have the same problem where the aircraft jitters around, but it only happens if you don’t let the tug connect first, which as you can see was not done in this video. Now if you arrive on stand at a gate that has no tug, click manual pushback and you’ll see the tug spawn up and connect. Just hit stop pushback and the tug will return to its spawn position and you can then plan your pushback as per normal.
In the case the tug does not spawn (I believe this may have something to do with how the scenery devs have configured their parking positions and classified the stands), you can do everything as per usual, including the planning of the push, you just need to hit “hold” and it’ll smoothly push you back, albeit without the visual model of the tug. I’ve used TPBP for over 1 year now with the PMDGs, Fenix, Horizon 787 etc. and have had no issues since. At some addon airports like NZA Simulations Christchurch you even get scenery devs replacing the default white/blue tug with a very nice custom model, the only caveat being that there won’t be any voices and you’ll need to press the “hold” button when ready for your pushback.
This has been my experience with the free TPBP and if they haven’t massively rewritten the code it should all carry over nicely. Agree that they could add a more detailed manual tho… took me a while to figure things out.
@@iaexo This would surely be stuff that would have been nice to know from the manual. But in there it only says as much as if your tug doesn't connect it's due to incompability with the addon scenery".
Given what I have seen, I will continue with the free version.
I remember when Aerosoft sold me a Twotter, then pulled it and kept my money.
Be careful with them.
You can still download that twotter on aerosoft one though. I just checked as that is a topic I want to cover in a future video indeed. They stopped updating it, but you still have your product and are able to use it.
I agree with your thoughts in general, but I would say that you can turn off the ATC voices in Accessibility Options. I do that so I can keep the voice volume bar where I like without hearing the awful in game ATC 😂
mmh, gotta check that. When I asked about this issue in the vatsim forums I was told to turn off voices in MSFS in general as only option.
I've been considering this but I've yet to hear about whether they will support this for MSFS2024 without additional costs. Thanks for sharing.
Maybe try sending a support ticket to Aerosoft to get an answer.
Wow, this is ridiculous. I hope that at least the creator of the tool was paid good money by Aerosoft
This tool looks like a complete joke. I also noticed the nose wheel remains straight even when the plane is being turned, May as well just use the free version.
For Xbox simmers this is like having a GSX, not with that level of realism and integration, but with its main pushback functionality. Is good tbh
I suppose for xbox it's indeed the only option. FS2Crews Pushback Express isn't available there either, is it?
Oh look Aerosoft found another poor soul to make another product for them that don't have to make or keep updating.
Have no problems at all with the tool and can't recreate the shown behaviour. Have tested a lot of planes. And you have to connect the tug before you start the push.
According to the manual it is not possible to connect the tug on many airports due to incombatibilities with addon sceneries.
GSX is not just a pushback tool.
I have the free version why would I want this?
That's the question... look at the featurelist and see for yourself if you think there's anything worth paying for in there.
I'm on Xbox so without any other alternative, I will buy this. Hopefully they will keep fixing the bugs in it.
suppose for xbox its really one of the few options. FS2Crews system is not availbale for xbox, is it?
how do you press shift-p on xbox?
@@RoamingAdhocratuse a keyboard or assign whatever shift p is to a controller button of your choice.
For me, the old freeware still works and looking at this video my conclusion is that, for now at least, the new version is a cash grab.
Avgeek says the tug shows after he removed gsx
I recorded the video on my laptop as I'm currently on layover. I never had GSX installed on my laptop in first place. The productmanual blames it on incombability with addon airports.
The more wasted money I ever spent until they fix it.
I suppose this is one of the reasons that Matthias left Aerosoft ha ha
Wouldn't be surprised. I remember Mathijs was the one who posted the original announcement back then (or was he?), which they quickly had to remove again after they got a shitstorm for marketing what seemed to be basically the same tool.
That was me indeed. Not involved with the tool itself. Clearly, from PMDG, we can't recommend this tool right now, but I will contact my friends at Aerosoft to see if changes will be made to ensure compatibility.
OMG. How they could break a beautiful program, and the way we have to pay for this.
Well its made by Aerosoft so....should speak for itself 😂
As i mainly use the PMDG i won't be buying this rubbish, looks no better than the free version. Thanks for showing this E.
Thank you for sharing your opinion!
That tool is a cheek. It isn't working at all. Not only with the PMDG 737. Tried it with the CRJ, opened the configurator for the position, set a position and then the tool hung up. The space of the positioning window used was then blocked for all other toolbar windows. It seems, there is no usable Push-Back Solution available. Sadly GSX pro is also crap, yesterday I've uninstalled it, because I am totally annoyed of its constant crashes and errors. It seems, I have to stick to the built in pushback solution (which is also crap, but at least it works).
Aerosoft being Aerosoft with their money grabs. Nothing to see here
I bet they wasted half of the funding from the german government that was actually intended to be for the A330 development on this unnecessary mod.
Lol. True. I actually wrote something similar about their CRJ in their forum.
Aerosoft is absolutly shameless 😂 As allways 👍🏼
They have there A330 in there trailer😅 must be there for doeing a bad joke
I hope no one give them one cent
A realistic payware for pushback without tug and marshals? No, no! Thanks!
GSX should copy this pushback mode... "quickedit", for example, is extremely annoying and time-consuming
The GSX boss once said that this wasn't possible in MSFS...looks like he was wrong.
I never said that, of course. I said it's not possible where it would be useful: on the actual 3d scenery, which is how GSX works on P3D, which **DOES** allow that. MSFS STILL doesn't allow a mouse interface on the 3D scenery.
@@umbertocolapicchioni2467 2:47 No need to place the blame on others, as always... there is a solution for everything
And where, exactly, I put the "blame on others"?
A mouse interface on the 3d scenery is currently not possible, and nobody has made one, this is a fact.
A mouse interface on the 2d map view is clearly possible (the free Toolbar pushback had it years ago), and nowhere I ever said otherwise.
Maybe there is some misunderstanding regarding languages here. (English is not my native language), but I never said that a 2d or 3d interface made a difference... it's the way it is done that makes it.@@umbertocolapicchioni2467
GSX, FS2Crew PB Express.... a bit of overkill if you ask me....
Yet none of the three seems really good. I'd do a fourth one, if I knew anything about programing.
Not really. Different products. If you bought GSX only for the pushback, you made a bad investment :)
Funny, I use GSX for boarding, but the freeware tool for pushback, so this new option may be interesting for me, besides GSX :)
I bought GSX for everything, but it simply sucks at anything else. Procedures are just not realistic.
@@A330Driverprobably, I’m not a real pilot so it is this is how I can get something like boarding passengers and cargo. I don’t like the pushback stuff with profiles you need to find or worse, create. Or stick with may be ish pushback. So I rather use the pushback toolbar for that
Looks simply awful. I had hopes for it but now I will keep far far away. Thank you very much for showing us an honest review! The voices problem would make it incompatible with ANY non MSFS ATC, not only Vatsim, I use for example Pilot2ATC and would end up in the same mess.
You may need to update this video my friend. Aerosoft did an update and it seems to have fixed the issue with the PMDG and also works outstanding with the Fenix. I love this tool. I think GSX is trash personally, I watch all the work that people do to maintain that and I just laugh. I get great pushbacks from this tool. My point of view only though.
I'll check it out again when I get back home. Tell me though: What do you prefer with the payware over the freeware version? What do you think makes it worth paying for it?
@@A330Driver so from what I can tell the payware version works with every default aircraft and now that they seemed to have fixed the PMDG issue it works with all the good payware planes. It works perfect with the Fenix and the a300 as well. Also, the pull feature has already came in very handy at some airports I recently departed from. Lastly, I was an exclusive user of the free ware before this version came out, I can say with certainty the planning piece of the free ware is borked, a lot of times it would glitch out and not work, no pull feature, and got red flagged by the Fenix. Lastly, Aerosoft seems to be updating as they said they would so I only see this getting better. For me it’s about the simplicity of getting a great pushback without the hassle of GSX. I like to watch GSX when people do it, but I don’t like other programs that require a bunch of updates and maintenance from me when really all I want is a great pushback. People have to down load profiles just to get a good pushback from gsx. I’m not into that, but I’m glad people enjoy it. It’s all preference I guess.
Somehow looks even worse than the freeware version. I used the freeware one for a long time until I decided to get GSX a year or so ago. The freeware worked decently I suppose aside from some bugs especially when using the Fenix, but overall GSX is far superior even if it does have some issues
I mean, have you tried reverse thrust to back out of a gate??? My senpai Airforceproud95 says that hasn't been in protocol since the 1980's but I don't believe him. :D
Seriously though, I'll stick with GSX, even if any errors or issues with it are DEFINITELY my or MSFS' fault and absolutely not the developer...
Why you don’t like gsx?
Procedures are unrealistic, they're reluctant to learn and improve, customer service is a desaster, they mostly blame the customer for their issues.
A payware to have forward towing. Rest (xbox/vr support) doesn't affect me. Different language accents? GSX made a joke of it. VATSIM speedup? Can't imagine it. The Free one is quick enough. It's a no for me. I'll wait for updates...
VATSIM speedup compared with the very slow responsetime of GSX, I suppose that's what their adverts refer to.
@@A330Driver I would fire people who walk as slowely as the one in GSX if I was an ground op manager 😅
@ Shortly before I left my old employer we were running audits that dealt with morons working slow. And we reported everyone who didn't work at least tow times faster than GSX.
It’s even worse than GSX. Damn I never saw that coming
wth is this mess lol xD How is it even possible that after close to 4 years we still don't have a pushback addon comparable to the one xplane has xD.. And how in gods name do they dare to ask money for this crap xD.
We have been absolutely trashing CS in the community, yet we take these scams without a problem. Interesting.
So 10 bucks for the same thing i get for free (bugs and all)
Bet it doesn't lift the aircraft like the gsx ones do. Will stick to gsx here. Aerosoft tend to keep releasing buggy products.. think they've had their day....
Gsx is good
Tell me again next time it takes three minutes to prepare the pushback or has the marshaller standing around doing nothing instead of his work.
There's so many logical flaws in its procedures, it is certainly not good.
iniBuilds A300 user here - I've used GSX at multiple airports and have never seen these problems.@@A330Driver
Mate where is the fucking tug😂