Real World Physics be like : 1) I-frame disabled 2) Pixel clipping disabled 3) Increased recovery motion frame by 200% 4) Stamina recovery is now only 10% effective
Personally I prefer the Elden Ring jump - it's faster, costs less stamina and somehow the entire lower section of your body becomes incorporal the moment your feet leave the ground. Good luck trying to cut my legs if they no longer physically exis-OW FCK MY FREAKING LEGS GOT HIT!!!1!
Haha yes, one must defend AND move. Moving alone is no good, and defending alone is no good. Staying within the reactionary gap while only doing one of these actions may prove ineffective against more skilled opponents
Often, a single step backward is enough to avoid the opponent hit, making him to miss the strike and keeping you at proper measure to strike back at hands or even head.
These techniques work super well with lightsabers! Just, uh, use some good full fingered padded gloves when you do. Hurts like a *_BITCH_* to get smacked in the fingers without gloves, and it happens a lot of you’re not using a saber with a cross guard.
@@Xeonortfast reflexes work too, not as well tho, brother and I are decent at stopping the blade directly before contact or moving our hand out the way
@@buttery_toaster Yeah, reflexes only go so far, which is why I got some gloves. Even now, nearly a year later, it’s hard to stop that blade from smacking some digits or pulling away to avoid it. Doesn’t help that there’s also no “bind” with light sabers, the blades just slide.
I learned this when I began boxing when I was younger and brought it to LARP, then to HEMA when I was done with LARP’s stupid rules and I decided I wanted to sit at the big boy’s table 🤣 it obviously takes a bit of transition to go from voiding movements in a fist fight to voiding incoming sword attacks, but the muscle memory for this technique is one of the most transferable to almost any contact sport or sparring bout… “dont get hit, but dont leave yourself so open that you get hit on the follow-up either” 😂
Unarmed and armed fighting is a lot alike regardless of the form or weapon, reach, bladework, footwork, bodywork and timing can be learnt from a lot of different places 🙂
Obviously its still a game, but the dodge movements in God of War, the newer ones, are really good because they're small movements and they make more sense than these big wide dodges we get in a lot of games. They're much more akin to voids.
Deflecting is also an great option. Requires quite some movement, but when done correctly, and when you're quick and cunning enough, you can perform an attack before your opponent can recover his posture. This is great on one-handed, shorter blades when fighting two-handed, longer blades. Since structured parrying is risky when a blade is longer and has leaverage from the second hand, deflecting works best. I am a huge fan of one-handed falchons and sideswords, and deflecting was always my best way to deal with two-handed swords. However, the void is still safer. But deflecting is higher reward, higher risk.
I’ve always been fascinated by the swords throughout time and it’s been wonderful to see explanations of the forms used. I feel compelled to get a sword after seeing a lot of your content. I appreciate the knowledge you give, especially when you correct common misconceptions about them and provide historical context for it. How would someone find a group like this to be able to practice and learn hands on?
In kendo we quite often dodge by side stepping or back stepping a bit and the swords are even faster. But that's practical mainly if you predict his attack and you start the motion before the oponent swings his sword, usually you follow up by immediately closing the distance and a quick strike. If you don't have a lot of time voiding is better.
@@farkasmactavishI don't know if it means something else to you guys, but to "Void" an attack means to completely disengage over here, where as to "Dodge" something just means to use your weapon and your body to move enough to get out of the way to stay in measure. He's just pointing out that you need to use your weapon and your body together because you can move the weapon faster than the rest of your body, my Jujutsu and recently my HEMA instructor have always told me that you can move your weapon faster than your body and your body faster than your feet
@@valandil7454 "Void" in the vocab I'm familiar with means to take the body part being attacked and move it out of the way. A leg void, for example, means pulling it back, out of reach. Whereas "dodge" means moving your _entire_ body, which is pretty useless in a weapons fight if you don't also throw up a guard.
U explain very well msnu things uve thought myself but not know the words to put them into, u probably practice and duel a lot more then I do, but I've use my sparring light sabers a bit and when I do I try to practice what count duku could do by just lowering hus blade and dodging all of someone's attack with your guard completely open, I can usually only dodge about three swings before I have to bring my blade up and use the sword
Funny how you also see this in more standard martial arts from today, like kickboxing, mma. Especially voiding the head tho ive seen people void their leg to escape a grapple attempt
Can you talk about how effective shields can be in this situation, defending on the size of the shield you're using it can cover most of your body from most attacks leaving the only exposed parts being your sword arm and leg, one of the techniques i learned for protecting the leg was to either duck down, causing the shield to cover your leg or alternatively raise the leg to be behind the shield. Bith are equally effective but I've always wondered how effective the leg raise would be as for a moment you're losing contact with the ground and makes it possible for your opponent to charge into your shield and knock you over
I've come to be known for my "Matrix" dodges at my club. I've ben trying to avoid them though because the recovery is inconsistent even though I often am able to pull off that "dramatic void".
That offline movement is actually good for attacking but just like you said, not so much for defense.When you step offline towards your right side, you get a better angle to hit your opponent and it will be harder for your opponent to parry it.
What about a volta stabile? It's just a half turn and backwards weight shift without moving your feet. I admit against an overblown or out of measure attack it might work but you'd have to read the attack right and it would be safer/easier to keep your sword between you and the opponent. Perhaps with a false adge sottano? Think boar's tooth to boar's tooth la mezzana? Idk.
Though if you are using a thrusting only weapon like Olympic foil a proper dodge goes a long way as it’ll take a long time for them to bring their blade all the way back for another thrust giving you time to attack, alternatively you could do the backwards Michael Jackson on your tippy toes with the reach-around though you might get a bit tangled if you’re doing electrics. Edit: I just realized that anyone who isn’t an experienced fencer will understand none of this but it’s quite hard to explain the backwards Michael Jackson on your tippy toes with the reach-around until it’s happened to you at least once.
I gotta agree and dissagree. You can move away from an incoming attack, but not from a resting position. U have to be in a circular movement already, in motion already. Then u can move efficiently away from an attack. I'm a swordsman too. But the dodging thing is nice, of course, sometime a bit dangerous as well
I mean, this is a dodge as far as I've always understood it, the like rolling out of the way is something more from video games. This is the same principle in boxing or any other martial art that I've seen. You don't need to move your whole body, just the parts they are going to hit.
An even better strategy is to not be in range of the sword. Melee combatants when I unsheathe my crossbow (they died before they got within 20 yards of me. Or at least one of them did. The other three killed me while I was reloading.) : Forsooth! This man can't even void!
I have a friend who goes low with his attacks almost every time. I was doing this by just throwing my feet back and bonking him on the head with my sword. Nice to know that it has a name.
Got confused, ended sending my buddy to the shadow realm.
Instructions unclear? 😂
@@mksmikeNo, that's right, according to 4kids.
Hey, I’m back!
I got out by paying God to overdose on lethal sugar.
man cast cessation on his buddy
It's a complicated technique, but quite effective once you get the hang of it.
thats literally first defence you learn if you just do sparrings and no tehcnique drills
Better to ahh-VOID than attempting a Dodge.
Void is a great term for this alternative.
Teehee
"body slow, sword fast" -Sun Tzu, probably
Truly a sekiro moment.. besides the void technique
This was the moment that I realised that the word "Avoid" is actually "a void", as used in this context to dodge.
You are actually right, both words have basically the same roots in Latin
When the nuclear war is over imma look for this guy and join his gang
moonwayrenegade257
~~Ayo?~~
And until then he has no applicable defense skills and plays dress up
@@granddaddylurch9178 well like any sport haha
The leg void is often much better defense than a low parry that takes your blade offline.
You're forgetting something.
The almighty Dark Souls Roll
Real World Physics be like :
1) I-frame disabled
2) Pixel clipping disabled
3) Increased recovery motion frame by 200%
4) Stamina recovery is now only 10% effective
If my opponent was wearing a full armour set carved from rocks and managing to roll consistently I would do all in my power to disengage.
I-Frames!!!
Personally I prefer the Elden Ring jump - it's faster, costs less stamina and somehow the entire lower section of your body becomes incorporal the moment your feet leave the ground. Good luck trying to cut my legs if they no longer physically exis-OW FCK MY FREAKING LEGS GOT HIT!!!1!
Haha yes, one must defend AND move. Moving alone is no good, and defending alone is no good.
Staying within the reactionary gap while only doing one of these actions may prove ineffective against more skilled opponents
I love these explanations! 🥳✨ Your demonstrations are awesome, the techniques are consistent and make sense. Thank you for these! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Often, a single step backward is enough to avoid the opponent hit, making him to miss the strike and keeping you at proper measure to strike back at hands or even head.
Thanks for the information. I'll try it out on my next training session. :D
Not me watching it so i can destroy my brother in a lightsaber battle
These techniques work super well with lightsabers!
Just, uh, use some good full fingered padded gloves when you do. Hurts like a *_BITCH_* to get smacked in the fingers without gloves, and it happens a lot of you’re not using a saber with a cross guard.
@@Xeonortfast reflexes work too, not as well tho, brother and I are decent at stopping the blade directly before contact or moving our hand out the way
@@buttery_toaster Yeah, reflexes only go so far, which is why I got some gloves. Even now, nearly a year later, it’s hard to stop that blade from smacking some digits or pulling away to avoid it. Doesn’t help that there’s also no “bind” with light sabers, the blades just slide.
@@Xeonort exactly, I’ve gotten my own share of finger loss to want a pair of gloves
First Mighty Mouse and now this fella. Looks like mastering the void IS mastering fighting.
Bro hasn't mastered invulnerability frames irl smh 😤
He doesn't get it, you can just dodge INTO the opponent's blade, using the intangibility frames to phase through it!
I learned this when I began boxing when I was younger and brought it to LARP, then to HEMA when I was done with LARP’s stupid rules and I decided I wanted to sit at the big boy’s table 🤣 it obviously takes a bit of transition to go from voiding movements in a fist fight to voiding incoming sword attacks, but the muscle memory for this technique is one of the most transferable to almost any contact sport or sparring bout… “dont get hit, but dont leave yourself so open that you get hit on the follow-up either” 😂
Unarmed and armed fighting is a lot alike regardless of the form or weapon, reach, bladework, footwork, bodywork and timing can be learnt from a lot of different places 🙂
Obviously its still a game, but the dodge movements in God of War, the newer ones, are really good because they're small movements and they make more sense than these big wide dodges we get in a lot of games. They're much more akin to voids.
I noticed sometimes you do your filmed examples with a little bit of slow motion. This is very helpful. Please continue to include this. Thank you!
So the bob and weave in boxing. I love how martial arts are pretty much the same, no matter the choice of weapons :D
Deflecting is also an great option. Requires quite some movement, but when done correctly, and when you're quick and cunning enough, you can perform an attack before your opponent can recover his posture. This is great on one-handed, shorter blades when fighting two-handed, longer blades. Since structured parrying is risky when a blade is longer and has leaverage from the second hand, deflecting works best.
I am a huge fan of one-handed falchons and sideswords, and deflecting was always my best way to deal with two-handed swords. However, the void is still safer. But deflecting is higher reward, higher risk.
Now i will be more effective in sword fights. Thank you! I really needed this.
I’ve always been fascinated by the swords throughout time and it’s been wonderful to see explanations of the forms used. I feel compelled to get a sword after seeing a lot of your content. I appreciate the knowledge you give, especially when you correct common misconceptions about them and provide historical context for it.
How would someone find a group like this to be able to practice and learn hands on?
Start by Googling HEMA clubs or lessons in your area.
In kendo we quite often dodge by side stepping or back stepping a bit and the swords are even faster. But that's practical mainly if you predict his attack and you start the motion before the oponent swings his sword, usually you follow up by immediately closing the distance and a quick strike.
If you don't have a lot of time voiding is better.
"The void"
Somewhere Mighty Mouse shed a single tear of joy
The void
_* Gaster's theme strarts playing *_
I assumed void was the same as dodge, so I was a bit confused at first. 😅
It is. I don’t know why he's saying it's not.
@@farkasmactavishI don't know if it means something else to you guys, but to "Void" an attack means to completely disengage over here, where as to "Dodge" something just means to use your weapon and your body to move enough to get out of the way to stay in measure.
He's just pointing out that you need to use your weapon and your body together because you can move the weapon faster than the rest of your body, my Jujutsu and recently my HEMA instructor have always told me that you can move your weapon faster than your body and your body faster than your feet
@@valandil7454 "Void" in the vocab I'm familiar with means to take the body part being attacked and move it out of the way. A leg void, for example, means pulling it back, out of reach.
Whereas "dodge" means moving your _entire_ body, which is pretty useless in a weapons fight if you don't also throw up a guard.
Also known as "Slipping" 😊
this man's audience is in the uk runneth thy pockets
In boxing we call this "Cheesing Head Hunters"
The... Void? You're gonna summon the Mighty Mouse.
That dodging looks so cool 😩
I immediately thought of the book of five rings when he mentioned Void lol. Though it pertains to different ideas than the video. Good stuff!
U explain very well msnu things uve thought myself but not know the words to put them into, u probably practice and duel a lot more then I do, but I've use my sparring light sabers a bit and when I do I try to practice what count duku could do by just lowering hus blade and dodging all of someone's attack with your guard completely open, I can usually only dodge about three swings before I have to bring my blade up and use the sword
Funny how you also see this in more standard martial arts from today, like kickboxing, mma. Especially voiding the head tho ive seen people void their leg to escape a grapple attempt
What i want to try once, is combining different martial arts with swordsmanship. Like capuera fixed with swords for example
have done this in fencing when someone went for a toe strike. Dinged his arm on the counter. Gotta love epee. EVERYTHING is target! :)
So remember, friends: Next time you get drawn into a fight, consider voiding yourself!
Piccolo: "Dodge!!!"
This applies to most forms of combat too
In the military we call that sniper jooking lol
Voiding reminds me of dodging a punch in close quarters when voxing
Lmao "sent my whole ass body to the *V Ø Ī D* and he missed me with his long sword 🗡️ ha ha newb. Can't even use the almighty *V Œ Î D*"
This is why i generally use a bushido style stance.
There is this movement where you basically take a long step forward and end up in a crouching state and I think that one might be pretty effective
One time when fencing my instructor, I kept moving my head left and right Mike Tyson style. It actually worked lol
The POWAH OF THE VOIDD
Can you talk about how effective shields can be in this situation, defending on the size of the shield you're using it can cover most of your body from most attacks leaving the only exposed parts being your sword arm and leg, one of the techniques i learned for protecting the leg was to either duck down, causing the shield to cover your leg or alternatively raise the leg to be behind the shield. Bith are equally effective but I've always wondered how effective the leg raise would be as for a moment you're losing contact with the ground and makes it possible for your opponent to charge into your shield and knock you over
Also going front to just a side profile position if attacked by thrust target area cut in half
Bro forgot about i-frames 🗿
I've come to be known for my "Matrix" dodges at my club. I've ben trying to avoid them though because the recovery is inconsistent even though I often am able to pull off that "dramatic void".
Meaning like someone swipes at you and time slows down?
Gohan lived by this. He never dodged
My favorite thing when doing Saber was to void the upper part of my body and retaliate. Distance work is God tier
That offline movement is actually good for attacking but just like you said, not so much for defense.When you step offline towards your right side, you get a better angle to hit your opponent and it will be harder for your opponent to parry it.
Sir Gimli from the Buhurt video dodged this video like it was a battleax
"the sword is fast" he says
Proceeds to move sword in slow motion as an example
Please make a video showing your tattoos
Mighty Mouse would have a field day with this one
Instructions unclear i learned the void style and got engraved on the throne of heroes
I remember when I was starting I ducked right under a zwerch during a zwerchcopter and I beat it. I felt so cool
Instructions unclear. I shat myself but it let me score a hit.
I don't think you understand, dodging gives you slight s that let you avoid taking damage
dude looks like a cat school witcher
What about a volta stabile? It's just a half turn and backwards weight shift without moving your feet. I admit against an overblown or out of measure attack it might work but you'd have to read the attack right and it would be safer/easier to keep your sword between you and the opponent. Perhaps with a false adge sottano? Think boar's tooth to boar's tooth la mezzana? Idk.
Yup, this. Void is really great if you make your opponent miss entirely you get a free attack
Dodged a spear strike like that in a little tournament, I’ve found that it’s pretty reactionary. Although 10/10 would dodge again
Though if you are using a thrusting only weapon like Olympic foil a proper dodge goes a long way as it’ll take a long time for them to bring their blade all the way back for another thrust giving you time to attack, alternatively you could do the backwards Michael Jackson on your tippy toes with the reach-around though you might get a bit tangled if you’re doing electrics.
Edit: I just realized that anyone who isn’t an experienced fencer will understand none of this but it’s quite hard to explain the backwards Michael Jackson on your tippy toes with the reach-around until it’s happened to you at least once.
when bro said "void" i thought he'd put a body part in the 4th dimension so it doesn't get hit
I gotta agree and dissagree. You can move away from an incoming attack, but not from a resting position. U have to be in a circular movement already, in motion already. Then u can move efficiently away from an attack. I'm a swordsman too. But the dodging thing is nice, of course, sometime a bit dangerous as well
I mean, this is a dodge as far as I've always understood it, the like rolling out of the way is something more from video games. This is the same principle in boxing or any other martial art that I've seen. You don't need to move your whole body, just the parts they are going to hit.
This basically allows you to attack while you doge rather than block.
good advice but you can always decrease your equip load to up your dodge speed an i frames
I do that when my friends and i spar I do this constantly
Void for the win. Reverse void rules.
Yes, but have you mastered the art of... the Roly Poly?
Void the Noid
Piccolo has joined the chat...
Bob and weave.
Dead ass thought he was about to tell us to do a dark souls esk roll 💀
An even better strategy is to not be in range of the sword.
Melee combatants when I unsheathe my crossbow (they died before they got within 20 yards of me. Or at least one of them did. The other three killed me while I was reloading.) : Forsooth! This man can't even void!
Damn i thought that move was spinning
I have a friend who goes low with his attacks almost every time. I was doing this by just throwing my feet back and bonking him on the head with my sword. Nice to know that it has a name.
I tend to lean just out of reach like a boxer. Missied by an inch is as good as missed by a mile.
So you're telling me I can't just Dark Souls roll around my enemy??
Jokes aside, very informative!
Now I know why I am keep dying. pressing dodge is not enough
"Refusing"
hail sithis 🤘💀
The games people play.
Same as slips and rolls in boxing.
Dodge is only good when you take step back :P Otherwice move with blade action
Thats my backyard. Litterally looks just like it. I'm not mad or anything. Just need new locks on my gate
The best and most effective dodge is obviously the roll.
thats why you always carry pocket sand,
Your sword is for both
Offence and defence and that’s how you should you should it
Gohan never learned this!!
dodging could work if you got external thrust like armored core
OH there's a name for that! Really cool! Still no way I can win against my dad tho. Father always wins.
Well, that's why you should dodge roll. For those tasty i-frames
I learned this from chivalry 2
Just wait until next patch when the add more s to the dodge