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Man!!!, i love that style of bow!!! i looks so traditional and realitic!!!, it looks like the first one of legolas!! haha, where is the model? or where couldi find it?, any recommendations?. And how many Lb is it?. Thank you so much!!🤩
I really hope one day a major producer like picks you up and makes like a miniseries documentary where you can go around the world to many different cultures and learn about the different archery techniques across the ages and around the world. I would totally throw money at that if I could!
@@poppers7317 It takes an alternate income, financial backer, or getting really big. Right now, Blumineck is under the alternate income category... so he would have to find time off his regular job to travel to another country, spend days researching, and more days practising, and then more days filming, and more days editing. Just imagine your current job, and then taking a week to a month of per video you want to put out. With his current catalogue, looks like he is doing 1-2 a month... now imagine if he had to go on a 1-4 week trip for each video. And based on views, he probably isn't getting a day's wage per video... if he is even monetizing.
@@poppers7317 True. however, the programme would need the backing and contacts around the World. Just finding archer's using the correct techniques for the culture, would be a massive task.
@@Esperologist and to add there's also connections, despite our bro Blumineck being close to 1m subs, a real producer and production company has better connections and chances of getting authentic people to give their time with the documentary.
What I'm taking away from this video is that our master archer characters in media should be proficient with multiple draw styles. I get that it's probably easier to teach an actor one draw and have them perfect that, though it would make sense for them in-character to adjust how they use their bows depending on the situation.
Good point about the different drawing styles. I think that it was the Strategikon (Byzantine military manual) that mentions different drawing techniques uses by Roman archers and recommends knowing multiple so that the archer can relax overworked fingers.
I'm not sure that I would agree with that, necessarily. Some places used multiple draw styles, but many (possibly most) cultures focused on one type of shooting in particular. For example, you definitely wouldn't shoot a Manchu bow without coming to full draw, and full draw for a Manchu bow is drawing well past your ear.
@@alexanderflack566 For clarity's sake, I was referring to characters like Hawkeye or Green Arrow who are said to be proficient in multiple forms of archery. I'm sure you can find examples of both characters doing precision shots, long-range sniping, speed shooting, and more, but I don't think much thought is often given to how they draw their bows to achieve those shots. If a character is taught specifically in one type of archery, or their culture focused on only one draw style, then I'm not arguing that they should be forced to use others. Ultimately, when I'm talking about fiction, I don't think a detail like draw styles would appeal to many people beyond archery enthusiasts and practitioners anyway. It'd be cool for us to see that sort of attention to detail, but it might be effort that doesn't land with the majority of their audience.
@@Antifrost imagine a pro-archer like hawkeye adapting their style of shooting depending on the situation! mediterranian for slow long distance and e.g. slavic or thumb for speed and parcour style archery
4:55 just a minor correction, Olympic archers use the Mediterranean style draw, aka split finger. I primarily shoot field which is between 5 - 48 meters, unmarked distances so 3 under suites better. 6:19 - this threading through the bow is popular amongst Olympic and indoor. This is because it allows the bow to remain in a fairly vertical position. Going horizontal is generally considered rude in a shooting line and should be avoided. Stay in your lane. In contrast however, it is not recommended in a hunting situation because sliding a broad-head near the bow string is always a bad idea.
I haven't arch'd for years, but I used to thread the arrow (vertical bow like you say, pointing down at the ground). Never saw anyone else do it, I did wonder if it was legit in competition.
But if you shoot Hunting Tackle field, you must use the Mediterranean and no string to face walking. This is what I learned and can't unlearn, which penalises me when I shoot just a barebow target.
Yes, I had unlearn loading a bow horizontally, recently the guy next to me was doing so and kept hitting me with his bow every time he loaded it. It threw my shooting off, and afterwards I explained that he shouldn't be loading it like that.
great job on the video! the point you are making is valid and makes a lot of sense. As an Olympic style archer, there is a couple of points that don't work quite as shown and I wanted to make a comment just in case anyone is interested in the style to make some things clear: 1. We do not hold the string with 3 fingers under. We do one over and two under. 3 fingers under the arrow can be found in barebow target archery, field, 3D but mostly with barebow and traditional. 2. Most archers knock the arrow while resting the bottom limb on their bow side foot and knock it from the same side they are drawing, just crossing the tip of the arrow under the clicker on the other side of the bow like you showcased with the "threading" the arrow through. This is very slow for high pressure situations and you are right in the point that in most media this is not the way shown. Noted that we use hip quivers and not back ones so the movement is different. 3. In competition, there are time restrictions for shooting the arrows (around 20 seconds per arrow in individual competitions) which is a LONG time in the context of this video and your point is valid, just wanted to point it out for the sake of clarity and accuracy. Loved the vid, keep up the great work man
Got to tell you 40 sec to shoot is like having all day. As a thumb shooter and heavy bow shooter, typically complete the whole cycle in under 10 being slow, 5 or or less normally and get to 3 easy.
@nicoach1817 but that is not the point. More than 10 sec, including taking the arrow from the quiver, is just extra time. Sure there is mental pressure from competition, but is all just extra time. And only an option on static targets. You dont get that on dynamic targets like skeet or Mounted Archery when the entire course of targets is run in 40sec. So for this videos purpose still counts as unlimited time, and from the perspective of other formats, a crazy amount of time on target.
@@ehisey when you are shooting at a static target, to get a shot off in less than 10 seconds requires skipping important steps that impact your accuracy.
I’m mostly ambidextrous and grew up shooting a recurve with a thumb draw. I didn’t know I was doing anything different until I got into Scouting and had to face off against instructors. “Did I hit the target?” “Yes…” “Leave me alone.”
Super appreciate this video! I have a character who's both left handed, a hunter and fights off monsters to protect her village and i occasionally want to draw her in action! This really helps to broaden the scope!
Imagine a fantasy game where they allow you to use different archery styles mixed with different arrow and bow types to match the ranged weapon variety of modern/sci-fi shooters. The accuracy, speed, stability, and power can vary. Some can be used when crouching while others require you to stand. Some are unusable (or just extremely bad) when you're using a heavier bow and others are just as bad mounted. This could also be modified by character strength or dexterity. An extremely strong archer can get away with using certain draws on a warbow that less swole archers can. You could have specializations in different styles, but I think that would encourage sticking to one style exclusively, whereas I think it would be more interesting to encourage a player to change their style based on the situation. Bow draw-strength and length could be significantly different and better with different syles or situations. Try speed-shooting with a heavy draw-weight English longbow from horseback. Draw-weight might also interact with a stamina system (assuming melee weapon attacks also do so). Holding a drawn warbow for too long could be exhausting. You could do similar things with melee meapons like half-swording or smashing people with the hilt of your sword. They'd probably need to exagerate the properties, like how shooters make shotguns especially powerful at short range with increased damage fall-off or how they boost the damage of bolt-action sniper rifles vs assault weapons of similar caliber but higher rate of fire.
I had the same thought recently! Plus having different quivers, arrow points and being able to use archery devices like the solenarion or the panjegan. I would play this game until I ~die~ go out to the archery range again.
I'm imagining a system like Ghost of Tsushima's stance system where with the press of a button you change your stance (in this case draw style) and it changes how you fight That would indeed be awesome
I also love how you inadvertently confirmed while simultaneously disproved James Cameron's story about the reverse grip that he does with the Navi characters. Don't know. He made a claim where he wanted to have the characters have a reverse grip in order to see more quote" alien which is something I hate, but that's a completely other topic and his archery expert was telling him that that would not work practically since James Cameron also wanted to do things realistically so he grabbed the bow, did the reverse grip and managed to hit the target and apparently that's what convinced the archery expert to approve that style. It's probably pushed around because James Cameron has a giant ego even though I like a lot of his films and basically we now know that it's the Tiffany problem in which that reverse grip has been used in the past. Historically, it's just not well known and is definitely would not be trained for traditional ranged archery, especially in the Olympics. For the archery expert wasn't right or wrong, it's just he was never exposed to that type of reverse grip because that's not the modern day traditional standards that you would use. So because he didn't know it, he thought it was incorrect and James Cameron because he never heard of it. Thought he invented it when it's been used by multiple people throughout probably hundreds if not thousands of years.
I always wondered about the specific stance used in heavier bows, seeing the muscles in use really clears that up. The next logical step, of course, would be to bury your feet in the ground and activate every muscle at once.
Kinda wonder if you draw even further if you pushed with your feet and drew the string back with both hands, like turning yourself into a human ballista
I'm imagining it now: Absurdly long bow, lay down on your back, hold the bow with your feet and lift the string above your head with both arms. Aim with a mirror or just pray that whatever it hits was an enemy.
@Mud-Brain "... bury your feet in the ground and activate every muscle at once" could work for a tree-like fantasy creature. Take root & shoot! and "Absurdly long bow, lay down on your back, hold the bow with your feet..." they had these in the Chinese film Hero. No idea if historical, and they drew to their chest/chin I think.
@@Mud-Brain * lie down on your back (unless, of course, you are a duck or a chicken, and wish to lay some eggs) Sorry, but I really, REALLY hate to see the English language mangled.)
Man I'm watching these like a super geek and on a religious level who needs other things to watch when we got you making quality educational content like this? Makes me feel like a kid again seeing wonder with talented teachers.
Very cool info in an easy and entertaining to absorb format! Thanks for sharing! Might just have to bust my recurve out again that hasn’t seen action in a few years
Hey blumineck on the off chance you see this comment, could you tell us where you got your quiver? How do the arrows not fall out or shift when you’re moving around and hanging upside down?
You do a great job in these videos! Just as engaging for the beginner, the non-archer and the experienced archer--even someone who's never played video games of that type!
this video has made me realise we need a vr game with historically accurate fighting styled where all variables are taken into account like draw style so basically war thunder but medieval
so glad SOMEONE finally covered the reverse draw. I've been doing that for years, as after a wrist injury, it's too painful to draw my bow normally now, but reverse draw changes the stressor point, which makes it much easier for me.
I can't remember the name of the fantasy film or whatever it was about, but it had both an elven archer and a guy with a repeating crossbow and in every fight the movie simply repeated the frames where they loose the arrow and bolt multiple times for a second or so and then cut to a bunch of enemies getting hit all at the same time. Who needs realism when you can shoot three to six arrows per second?
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What timing! I usually shoot thumb draw on my Hungarian bow (55lbs at 31# from Salah's archery) but today I forgot my ring and was practising Slavic draw instead. I was amazed how smooth and fast I was; I felt like a machine gun in slow-motion ^^ My middle and ring finger do hurt a lot though because they aren't used to it though. Anyways, I really hope movies (apart from Chinese, Korean and Japanese ones), games and tbh the future DnD books start using other archery techniques than the Olympic one (e.g. primary, secondary and tertiary releaseand Slavic and thumb draw and other anchor points) as this is a simple cool way to distinguish cultures and characters from one another. Same goes for devices like the Solenarion or Panjagan.
Part of me kept thinking something looked off, then I registered you're holding the bow in your right hand and drawing with your left - nothing was wrong, just mirrored to what my brain pictures. Very fun insights!
The target is 122 cm. at 70 Meters. The Ten Ring is 12 cm. They have a time limit during matches. 20 seconds per arrow. Archery in war was used more as long distance indirect fire like the way artillery is used today. Clout archery is a good example of that today.
6:18 You can also grab the arrow by the nock with thumb and index finger, place it on the riser, and nock it on the string by pushing it forward while the string passes under your thumb, and then pull it back. This technique doesn't sacrifice on accuracy or form and makes the whole shooting sequence faster. Great video btw.
6:00 when he is talking about the avengers his technique is possible he takes the arrow from his back as you place the arrow onto the riser you slip the string between the arrow and thumb afterwards nock the arrow onto the string. Its official imma make videos of this technique showing how it is possible.
love the extended long form video on some things you've talked about before! one thing i wondered if you could elaborate on -- my archer friend and i, we're both novices but are learning multiple techniques (barebow, olympic recurve, thumb draw). whenever we spot archery illustrations in video games or in other official material (thinking back to D&D 2024's illustrations), it's ALWAYS a two-fingered mediterranean draw. vex in LOVM is drawn using the two-finger split draw. i also draw a lot of character art and work on 3D animation -- i ruled out whether a two-finger or a three-finger was easier to draw over the other. the difficulty in adding a finger is absolutely negligible for a professional. heck, the "fist" that thumb draw creates is an easier shape to simplify in many illustration styles. is there a moment in archery history where lots of two-fingered split draws are common? we were trying to think of a culture or competition where references using two-fingers would be popular but came up with nothing. we just have no idea how this two-finger split draw is so prevalent in pop culture illustrations/video games (ashe in league of legends) of archery despite the infinite volume of historical references, haha. i'm sure the answer is just simply, "someone didn't use good references" but i'd like to live in a world where the answer is otherwise, and hope that art departments are in fact using good references!
since watching your videos, i've been wanting to get back into shooting a bow, and i've been wanting to learn other shooting styles than Olympic. thank you!
I want to watch a movie or listen to an audiobook about an Olympic target archer learning to hunt zombies or smthng and everytime a target gets too close they get nervous and revert to their long training in Olympic archery
Something similar in the Korean monster movie, The Host. One of the main characters has a sibling who takes too long to shoot, even for a target archer.
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I've been trying to find information on some Asian style of archery for one of my characters in my comic. Thank you for the video. It helped quite a bit.
I'm happy you talked about the Prey movie. The movie is good but as an archer I really wanted to see real comanche technique, which happens to be even more efficient in reality than the reverse grip of the movie. Still the sacrifice scene of the brother saves it a little bit as he fights the predator and stab him multiple times with the same arrow (love that sequence)
When introducing my friends to archery i always teach them Slavic. I just find it the most intuitive and natural, and it works great if you're not shooting anything too heavy
I've left this comment on other archery videos, I'll repeat it here. Can you imagine the person who invented the bow so many thousands of years ago, could they fathom a world where we have footprints on the MOON but here we are still fascinated by and using their invention? Would blow their minds.
Biggest takeaway for me is anyone looking in film to use archers needs to watch this as many situations for them in circumstances in the film may call for a different style. Hawkeye really could have used this in the films he was in as just from memory he seems to be able to benefit greatly by using different styles as he is shown to be a master Marksmen in any given situation.
They made a Robin Hood movie a few years ago and they brought in Lars Anderson to teach the actor how to do his speed shooting, they mixed it with Slavic draw and cgi arrows. Which actually turned out kinda neat and gave the movie a unique archery style. And I also typically use Slavic draw when I want to shoot faster.
Really loving these archery videos, mate! Only request I have, if you see this, is for a video going over some possible alternative draws for the compound bow. As much as I wanna think these can just easily transfer over, I know a compound bow works very differently than a recurve, so I'm just curious to other options for that outside Olympic style Keep up the great videos though!
With a modern compound, you use a release aid. You don't draw it with fingers (or thumb) because the lateral force during release can cause the string to jump off of the cams.
I'm an historical reenactor. I've used bows for medieval reenactment for some 20 years. Recently I had to take a course in olympic archery for legal reasons. There I found two kind of archers: those who understand that a medieval archer wouldn't have found useful a 20-pounds bow (meaning that a medieval reenactor has a perfectly legit reason to want to shoot a 40-to-60-pounds bow) and those who genuinely couldn't understand why I wanted to shoot a stronger bow even if it makes for less accurate shooting against a target. Both approaches are PERFECTLY valid, mind you. If you are NOT doing reenactment, a weaker bow is objectively better to shoot a static target at 18 meters. But you find sensible _and_ stupid people on both fields - those who understand you can have the hobby of reenacting how bows historically were, AND you can have the hobby of shooting as accurately as possible with modern bows... and those who don't understand either hobby and claim nobody should have the one they don't understad.
The fastest I’ve done with Mediterranean style is 3 Arrows in 10 seconds, but fine for target arrows and I cannot maintain that after the first three. I’ve played with all those draws and even the Native American pinch with the weak fingers under the pinch on the string. Getting older so I’ve tried the walking, kneeling, unmounted parting shot and different arrow holding techniques what fun! Thank you for the video.
I've always wanted to see "full contact archery" as a sport. Two archers on opposite ends of a football field, wearing fencing style protection, with blunt arrows. They take turns shooting at each other, taking a step forward after each shot. The need to go fast while also avoiding getting shot without running out of your arrows would make it exciting.
Korean film The Host has a character that is an Olympic archer. She tries to attack a monster with her bow, to very mixed results for all the reasons you explained 🤣
I've been playing too much Rogue Trader, because now I want to make an Adeptus Mechanicus Archer, someone who marvels at the intricacies of such a simple weapon. And so they've got a Mechadendrite (robotic extra arm) they've built to resolve a bunch of these issues. Because a 3rd arm would solve a LOT of these issues!
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As someone who picked up archery with a 70 pound bow because im an igit, i have picked up some fun little techniques that allow me to shoot at weird angles, like on what leg.
Well, Interesting! If you happen to be in a situation where hunting game is crucial for your survival. Which technique and which kind of bow would you choose?
The reverse draw is also inherently a weaker draw than a regular draw because of how your hand is pronated instead of supinated. The muscles in the arm and back don’t work as effectively in that orientation compared to a pronated grip (Mediterranean draw) or neutral grip (thumb draw).
I've developed my own take on thumb draw (doubtful it's remotely original, I just haven't looked for it in the historical record). Using a thumb ring, rather than hooking my index finger over my thumb, I hook my middle finger over my thumb. That leaves my index finger able to lay between the fletching and press the arrow into the bow, or more specifically, on the knuckle of my other thumb. It works in a similar way to the Slavic draw, holding the arrow securely on the string and bow at any angle. I resorted to this because when I started learning how to use a thumb ring, I could never get the arrow to stay where I nocked it on the string, and I noticed that I was using my index finger to hold the arrow in place until I stabilized everything and was ready to draw. It wasn't a big leap to simply keep my index finger on the arrow and use my middle finger to hook my thumb instead. When I first started, I was not impressed by the thumb ring, but now I absolutely love it. I can go through a set of 360 arrows (30 sets of 12) every day without damage to my fingers. I'd get blood blisters and sore spots and rip off freshly formed callouses just by going through a set of 120 arrows a day. My only real limit at this point is my shoulder/back strength, as 360 arrows per day on a 48# bow takes a lot of endurance, but my fingers and thumb are just fine and perfectly capable of continuing on. I definitely use khatra as well, I picked it up during my transition from the usual Mediterranean draw/arrow on the left style to thumb. I was having a hell of a time adjusting my sight picture and it just didn't seem like there was any reliable way for me to aim with the arrow on the right. It was...somewhere between the string and the bow, kind of off to the right-ish, but that left a huge margin of error for me that manifested as a spread of roughly a meter at 15m. That's when I ran across Japanese archery, where you can clearly see how they intentionally twist the bow to rotate all the way around and sometimes hit the back side of their forearm with the string. I figured, well if the archer's paradox is what's causing my arrows to fly off too far to the right, I'll just see if I can incorporate some torque on the bow to make the arrow fly straight. I've developed a technique where I grip the bow twisted away from me somewhat, and then allow the string to rotate my wrist back to straight. When I release the arrow, I already have that torque set up in my wrist so the bow naturally twists away from me. The arrows fly quite straight and don't actually need fletching within 20m, but the real advantage is that I'm able to point the arrow directly at the target now, rather than some indeterminate angle to the left of the target. So long as I set my grip position up correctly, it takes out a whole lot of the guessing associated with aiming a bare bow. Took me a couple months of practice but my grip is pretty reliable now, and I can adjust for minor inconsistencies by moving the arrow rest knuckle slightly toward or away from the bow. If I'm consistently grouping to the left, I'll just stick my thumb out a mm or two from the bow, if it's to the right, I'll flex my thumb inward toward the bow a little. The other advantage is I haven't once kissed my forearm with the string since I started using that technique. It's a small advantage, but I'll take it.
5:20 Or another way to get around the problem of where the CGI arrow goes is to just forget to put it in... There's a blooper in The Lord of The Rings: The Two Towers, during the Helm's Deep fight -- an archer let loose with an arrow that was apparently so magical that it was entirely invisible... 😅
there's also Slavic style where the thumb and index are on the same side, which is even faster than having your thumb on the other side. the grip gets weaker though, you have to concentrate more to not let the arrow slip. what i love about slavic is the opportunity to shoot rly fast, and to be able to walk (even backwards), run, shoot while riding a horse. when you are able to grip like 6-9 arrows on your bow (not in a "normal" side quiver) you can shoot like from a magazine. i also dont like having the arrows in my draw-hand bc of the reasons you said. and when you have a special back quiver you can get sooooo fast in shooting. check out Siem Horseback archery, he is teaching my Dojo, rly nice guy
8:15 i use that style because of an old wrist injury, i cant maintain grip in the normal form, and in that grip it takes the strain off my wrist and i can hold it for way longer
Very excellent video, loved the detailed analysis on various styles and inspirations. Would love to hear your thoughts on split finger and 2 finger draws as well!
Nice video Just to add a bit, as others have said in olympic you use the mediterranian style, not three under. Think even in the rules it is defined that way. World Archery rules are quite strict on what kind of draw you are allowed to use. To add to the speed shooting, there are many other ways to hold more arrows in one hand, apart for the Lars Anderson style. You can also hold the arrows in the bow hand. The problem for actors and animators would be similar with all, as it would be hard to position the and and fo through the movements without an arrow. Apart from looking coll there is also a practical use for such a style, especially in horsearchery. You ride up to the enemy fire a volley of 3 or more arrows, hen wheel back, reload from a quiver and come back. The pinch draw even while it is a weak draw was used all over the world, as you mentioned you can only use it on lightweight bows. Mainly still used by native people in south america and africa. Especially if you uses poisoned arrows, draw power is not so important as long as you can scratch the hide of the prey.. If you had someone who has never handled a bow before and not seen a lot of archery, a lot of them will try a pinch draw first,. As an addendum for all would be moviemakers, stop having archers hold a bow at full draw for ages like rifle. This is something that has never been done, and is impossible with the high drawweight you would need for a warbow without the hold collapüsing after a few seconds. I see it in training, even on a schoolbow with under 20pounds, the hold collapses for most archer after molding it for more then maybe 30 seconds.
It's a good thing those are prop bows. Dry-firing aside, imagine holding even a 25 lb for an extended amount of time only to lose your grip on the bow and getting smacked in the face.
Watching this and realizing to myself.. Rings of Power might've had a chance if they just hired blumineck as an elf and just let him do his own thing instead of some of those wacky CGI scenes.
Quick question, I've always shot my #45 and #40 flatbows with a two finger draw (Index finger above,, middle finger below), I've just always found it easier to cant the bow properly like this. I used to shoot Mediterranean draw until I switched to trad bows, I believe it's called the Flemish draw? But I virtually never see anyone shoot like this. Now to be fair, as a result of this I have a middle finger that's as thick as my thumb, but that aside my question is why is it so unpopular? I've never had any issues with accuracy or with drawing. It would be really interesting to see an analysis of this draw from someone as experienced as yourself. Any chance that could happen? 😁 Great video by the way.
@blue_tree_meadow it is common enough. Main reason you dont see it as much is your giving up draw hand strength for no real gain, unless using a shorter bow and you are having to compensate for more acute string angle.
@@ehisey the reason I think stems from two things. Firstly I had quite a nasty accident about 40 years ago which whilst I completely recovered from about 5 or 6 years later has always affected certain aspects of my body posture, and secondly this meant that when I started shooting trad bows and ditched my modern bow I found I had to switch from Mediterranean draw to two fingered draw to be able to comfortably cant the bow. However after I got used to it I found I had a much cleaner release. It does mean my ring size on the middle finger of my draw hand is now a Z5 and my index finger's now a Z, but I've always had big hands anyway. It was only later that I found out it was a recognised release. And as for finger strength I can draw a #50 bow with my middle finger alone so you soon get used to it. I don't think it's necessarily better than other styles it's just that it works for me and I was curious why it seems to have died out? 👍
I heard once the MONGOLS were so successful because as all rode in on horseback and had a unique BOW design that was vastly superior to the contemporarys... mounted bowmen with deadly aim... Id love to see you talk about mounted archers and specially the Mongols.
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so thats how my hunter shoots 100 arrows in 5 seconds in wow :P
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Man!!!, i love that style of bow!!! i looks so traditional and realitic!!!, it looks like the first one of legolas!! haha, where is the model? or where couldi find it?, any recommendations?. And how many Lb is it?. Thank you so much!!🤩
I really hope one day a major producer like picks you up and makes like a miniseries documentary where you can go around the world to many different cultures and learn about the different archery techniques across the ages and around the world. I would totally throw money at that if I could!
A major producer? This is youtube.
There are countless people who travel around the world to interesting places like Tom Scott for example.
@@poppers7317 It takes an alternate income, financial backer, or getting really big.
Right now, Blumineck is under the alternate income category... so he would have to find time off his regular job to travel to another country, spend days researching, and more days practising, and then more days filming, and more days editing.
Just imagine your current job, and then taking a week to a month of per video you want to put out.
With his current catalogue, looks like he is doing 1-2 a month... now imagine if he had to go on a 1-4 week trip for each video. And based on views, he probably isn't getting a day's wage per video... if he is even monetizing.
@@poppers7317 True. however, the programme would need the backing and contacts around the World. Just finding archer's using the correct techniques for the culture, would be a massive task.
Kickstarter?
@@Esperologist and to add there's also connections, despite our bro Blumineck being close to 1m subs, a real producer and production company has better connections and chances of getting authentic people to give their time with the documentary.
Fantastic video!
He sumamrized all youre historical youtuber discussion about archery in to short video. archery is about what works.
Awesome seeing you here Matt!
@@Zigg33almost everything is about what works.
@@Specter_1125 Yeah, but people often don't know that, that is why i am saying.
What I'm taking away from this video is that our master archer characters in media should be proficient with multiple draw styles. I get that it's probably easier to teach an actor one draw and have them perfect that, though it would make sense for them in-character to adjust how they use their bows depending on the situation.
Good point about the different drawing styles. I think that it was the Strategikon (Byzantine military manual) that mentions different drawing techniques uses by Roman archers and recommends knowing multiple so that the archer can relax overworked fingers.
The surviving Arabic and Persian archery manuals all have multiple drawing techniques, based on what the archer is trying to do.
I'm not sure that I would agree with that, necessarily. Some places used multiple draw styles, but many (possibly most) cultures focused on one type of shooting in particular. For example, you definitely wouldn't shoot a Manchu bow without coming to full draw, and full draw for a Manchu bow is drawing well past your ear.
@@alexanderflack566 For clarity's sake, I was referring to characters like Hawkeye or Green Arrow who are said to be proficient in multiple forms of archery. I'm sure you can find examples of both characters doing precision shots, long-range sniping, speed shooting, and more, but I don't think much thought is often given to how they draw their bows to achieve those shots. If a character is taught specifically in one type of archery, or their culture focused on only one draw style, then I'm not arguing that they should be forced to use others.
Ultimately, when I'm talking about fiction, I don't think a detail like draw styles would appeal to many people beyond archery enthusiasts and practitioners anyway. It'd be cool for us to see that sort of attention to detail, but it might be effort that doesn't land with the majority of their audience.
@@Antifrost imagine a pro-archer like hawkeye adapting their style of shooting depending on the situation! mediterranian for slow long distance and e.g. slavic or thumb for speed and parcour style archery
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4:55 just a minor correction, Olympic archers use the Mediterranean style draw, aka split finger.
I primarily shoot field which is between 5 - 48 meters, unmarked distances so 3 under suites better.
6:19 - this threading through the bow is popular amongst Olympic and indoor. This is because it allows the bow to remain in a fairly vertical position.
Going horizontal is generally considered rude in a shooting line and should be avoided. Stay in your lane.
In contrast however, it is not recommended in a hunting situation because sliding a broad-head near the bow string is always a bad idea.
I haven't arch'd for years, but I used to thread the arrow (vertical bow like you say, pointing down at the ground). Never saw anyone else do it, I did wonder if it was legit in competition.
But if you shoot Hunting Tackle field, you must use the Mediterranean and no string to face walking. This is what I learned and can't unlearn, which penalises me when I shoot just a barebow target.
@@RichardBragg which organisation and division?
Yes, I had unlearn loading a bow horizontally, recently the guy next to me was doing so and kept hitting me with his bow every time he loaded it. It threw my shooting off, and afterwards I explained that he shouldn't be loading it like that.
great job on the video! the point you are making is valid and makes a lot of sense. As an Olympic style archer, there is a couple of points that don't work quite as shown and I wanted to make a comment just in case anyone is interested in the style to make some things clear:
1. We do not hold the string with 3 fingers under. We do one over and two under. 3 fingers under the arrow can be found in barebow target archery, field, 3D but mostly with barebow and traditional.
2. Most archers knock the arrow while resting the bottom limb on their bow side foot and knock it from the same side they are drawing, just crossing the tip of the arrow under the clicker on the other side of the bow like you showcased with the "threading" the arrow through. This is very slow for high pressure situations and you are right in the point that in most media this is not the way shown. Noted that we use hip quivers and not back ones so the movement is different.
3. In competition, there are time restrictions for shooting the arrows (around 20 seconds per arrow in individual competitions) which is a LONG time in the context of this video and your point is valid, just wanted to point it out for the sake of clarity and accuracy.
Loved the vid, keep up the great work man
Got to tell you 40 sec to shoot is like having all day. As a thumb shooter and heavy bow shooter, typically complete the whole cycle in under 10 being slow, 5 or or less normally and get to 3 easy.
And what distances are you accurate from? @@ehisey
@nicoach1817 lets see we hot out to 145m
@nicoach1817 but that is not the point. More than 10 sec, including taking the arrow from the quiver, is just extra time. Sure there is mental pressure from competition, but is all just extra time. And only an option on static targets. You dont get that on dynamic targets like skeet or Mounted Archery when the entire course of targets is run in 40sec. So for this videos purpose still counts as unlimited time, and from the perspective of other formats, a crazy amount of time on target.
@@ehisey when you are shooting at a static target, to get a shot off in less than 10 seconds requires skipping important steps that impact your accuracy.
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I’m mostly ambidextrous and grew up shooting a recurve with a thumb draw. I didn’t know I was doing anything different until I got into Scouting and had to face off against instructors. “Did I hit the target?” “Yes…” “Leave me alone.”
Super appreciate this video! I have a character who's both left handed, a hunter and fights off monsters to protect her village and i occasionally want to draw her in action! This really helps to broaden the scope!
Imagine a fantasy game where they allow you to use different archery styles mixed with different arrow and bow types to match the ranged weapon variety of modern/sci-fi shooters. The accuracy, speed, stability, and power can vary. Some can be used when crouching while others require you to stand. Some are unusable (or just extremely bad) when you're using a heavier bow and others are just as bad mounted. This could also be modified by character strength or dexterity. An extremely strong archer can get away with using certain draws on a warbow that less swole archers can. You could have specializations in different styles, but I think that would encourage sticking to one style exclusively, whereas I think it would be more interesting to encourage a player to change their style based on the situation.
Bow draw-strength and length could be significantly different and better with different syles or situations. Try speed-shooting with a heavy draw-weight English longbow from horseback. Draw-weight might also interact with a stamina system (assuming melee weapon attacks also do so). Holding a drawn warbow for too long could be exhausting.
You could do similar things with melee meapons like half-swording or smashing people with the hilt of your sword.
They'd probably need to exagerate the properties, like how shooters make shotguns especially powerful at short range with increased damage fall-off or how they boost the damage of bolt-action sniper rifles vs assault weapons of similar caliber but higher rate of fire.
I don't even play these types of games and I'm interested in this idea! I love the selectable stats-based approach
I had the same thought recently! Plus having different quivers, arrow points and being able to use archery devices like the solenarion or the panjegan. I would play this game until I ~die~ go out to the archery range again.
I'm imagining a system like Ghost of Tsushima's stance system where with the press of a button you change your stance (in this case draw style) and it changes how you fight
That would indeed be awesome
Assassin's Creed Origins and Odyssey let you vary bow technique a bit, though it's not super in depth
I also love how you inadvertently confirmed while simultaneously disproved James Cameron's story about the reverse grip that he does with the Navi characters. Don't know. He made a claim where he wanted to have the characters have a reverse grip in order to see more quote" alien which is something I hate, but that's a completely other topic and his archery expert was telling him that that would not work practically since James Cameron also wanted to do things realistically so he grabbed the bow, did the reverse grip and managed to hit the target and apparently that's what convinced the archery expert to approve that style. It's probably pushed around because James Cameron has a giant ego even though I like a lot of his films and basically we now know that it's the Tiffany problem in which that reverse grip has been used in the past. Historically, it's just not well known and is definitely would not be trained for traditional ranged archery, especially in the Olympics. For the archery expert wasn't right or wrong, it's just he was never exposed to that type of reverse grip because that's not the modern day traditional standards that you would use. So because he didn't know it, he thought it was incorrect and James Cameron because he never heard of it. Thought he invented it when it's been used by multiple people throughout probably hundreds if not thousands of years.
I like that you mentioned Skyrim's bow issues, because there are a LOT of mods looking to fix those. xD
I always wondered about the specific stance used in heavier bows, seeing the muscles in use really clears that up. The next logical step, of course, would be to bury your feet in the ground and activate every muscle at once.
Kinda wonder if you draw even further if you pushed with your feet and drew the string back with both hands, like turning yourself into a human ballista
I'm imagining it now: Absurdly long bow, lay down on your back, hold the bow with your feet and lift the string above your head with both arms. Aim with a mirror or just pray that whatever it hits was an enemy.
Or have a friend aim you! Crew served weapons in the medieval world, lol
@Mud-Brain "... bury your feet in the ground and activate every muscle at once" could work for a tree-like fantasy creature. Take root & shoot!
and
"Absurdly long bow, lay down on your back, hold the bow with your feet..." they had these in the Chinese film Hero. No idea if historical, and they drew to their chest/chin I think.
@@Mud-Brain * lie down on your back (unless, of course, you are a duck or a chicken, and wish to lay some eggs) Sorry, but I really, REALLY hate to see the English language mangled.)
Also thumb draw allows you to draw an inch or so more, because of where the thumb is. Great video!
Man I'm watching these like a super geek and on a religious level
who needs other things to watch when we got you making quality educational content like this?
Makes me feel like a kid again seeing wonder with talented teachers.
Very cool info in an easy and entertaining to absorb format! Thanks for sharing! Might just have to bust my recurve out again that hasn’t seen action in a few years
Hey blumineck on the off chance you see this comment, could you tell us where you got your quiver? How do the arrows not fall out or shift when you’re moving around and hanging upside down?
He has a video on it i think
It’s from Coz by Cozmei. It holds the arrows in indicidividual compartments, so there is just enough friction to stop them falling out
@@blumineck awesome thanks!
I think Armin Hirmer has made a review and testing of that quiver a year ago or something like that
This is by far the most informative while being very very entertaining at the same time. Well done. thank you for you time and knowledge.
Thanks!
That was great fun to watch. And as a keen GM I love the ideas it's giving me. Many thanks!
You do a great job in these videos! Just as engaging for the beginner, the non-archer and the experienced archer--even someone who's never played video games of that type!
Great video that respects the disciplines of recurve and instinctive shooting, and is super informative!
the way you can look like a character from assassin creed and look like robin hood is amazing
I have no clue about archery but it’s just relaxing watching you shoot arrows and talk nerdy stuff
I was literally just thinking about the difference between modern and traditional archery. Very nice
This is fantastic. really appreciate all the research and work that went into this!
I'd wish I had this video 15 years ago, when I was responsible for the animations of daedalic's "Black Guards" game.
Awesome. Thank you very much
this video has made me realise we need a vr game with historically accurate fighting styled where all variables are taken into account like draw style so basically war thunder but medieval
Really appreciate your content you're such a positive niche presence
Such an incredible video! Great work showing off all these different styles in such a professional manner
That's the best portrayal of a Slavic draw that I've ever seen. Great video!
Very informative!
so glad SOMEONE finally covered the reverse draw. I've been doing that for years, as after a wrist injury, it's too painful to draw my bow normally now, but reverse draw changes the stressor point, which makes it much easier for me.
I can't remember the name of the fantasy film or whatever it was about, but it had both an elven archer and a guy with a repeating crossbow and in every fight the movie simply repeated the frames where they loose the arrow and bolt multiple times for a second or so and then cut to a bunch of enemies getting hit all at the same time. Who needs realism when you can shoot three to six arrows per second?
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I loved this video. I have recently to take up traditional archery. This gave me more things to think about. Appreciate it.
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What timing! I usually shoot thumb draw on my Hungarian bow (55lbs at 31# from Salah's archery) but today I forgot my ring and was practising Slavic draw instead. I was amazed how smooth and fast I was; I felt like a machine gun in slow-motion ^^ My middle and ring finger do hurt a lot though because they aren't used to it though.
Anyways, I really hope movies (apart from Chinese, Korean and Japanese ones), games and tbh the future DnD books start using other archery techniques than the Olympic one (e.g. primary, secondary and tertiary releaseand Slavic and thumb draw and other anchor points) as this is a simple cool way to distinguish cultures and characters from one another. Same goes for devices like the Solenarion or Panjagan.
Came to your channel for the elf bow video, stayed for the wonderfully nerdy breakdown!
Part of me kept thinking something looked off, then I registered you're holding the bow in your right hand and drawing with your left - nothing was wrong, just mirrored to what my brain pictures. Very fun insights!
Thanks for the content! Always fun to watch your videos!
Top pocket, I was thinking the 'Salvic Style' was looking interesting, then you said 'It's your fav'. I going to try it, wonderful thanks.
Love the video! Always been interested in archery, never done it but I still love learning about it
Really interesting to learn about all the details and unique traits of each of these, thank you for explaining in such a noob-friendly way :D
The target is 122 cm. at 70 Meters. The Ten Ring is 12 cm. They have a time limit during matches. 20 seconds per arrow. Archery in war was used more as long distance indirect fire like the way artillery is used today. Clout archery is a good example of that today.
Wonderful video - lots of info I’ve never seen anywhere else - thanks !
6:18 You can also grab the arrow by the nock with thumb and index finger, place it on the riser, and nock it on the string by pushing it forward while the string passes under your thumb, and then pull it back. This technique doesn't sacrifice on accuracy or form and makes the whole shooting sequence faster. Great video btw.
6:00 when he is talking about the avengers his technique is possible he takes the arrow from his back as you place the arrow onto the riser you slip the string between the arrow and thumb afterwards nock the arrow onto the string. Its official imma make videos of this technique showing how it is possible.
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Tank you so much. Finally i found this style of drow. Slavic drow you call it. Fine. Thank you much.
love the extended long form video on some things you've talked about before! one thing i wondered if you could elaborate on -- my archer friend and i, we're both novices but are learning multiple techniques (barebow, olympic recurve, thumb draw). whenever we spot archery illustrations in video games or in other official material (thinking back to D&D 2024's illustrations), it's ALWAYS a two-fingered mediterranean draw. vex in LOVM is drawn using the two-finger split draw. i also draw a lot of character art and work on 3D animation -- i ruled out whether a two-finger or a three-finger was easier to draw over the other. the difficulty in adding a finger is absolutely negligible for a professional. heck, the "fist" that thumb draw creates is an easier shape to simplify in many illustration styles. is there a moment in archery history where lots of two-fingered split draws are common? we were trying to think of a culture or competition where references using two-fingers would be popular but came up with nothing. we just have no idea how this two-finger split draw is so prevalent in pop culture illustrations/video games (ashe in league of legends) of archery despite the infinite volume of historical references, haha.
i'm sure the answer is just simply, "someone didn't use good references" but i'd like to live in a world where the answer is otherwise, and hope that art departments are in fact using good references!
since watching your videos, i've been wanting to get back into shooting a bow, and i've been wanting to learn other shooting styles than Olympic. thank you!
I want to watch a movie or listen to an audiobook about an Olympic target archer learning to hunt zombies or smthng and everytime a target gets too close they get nervous and revert to their long training in Olympic archery
Something similar in the Korean monster movie, The Host. One of the main characters has a sibling who takes too long to shoot, even for a target archer.
You're obviously a great tutor! I would love to see some videos of you 1 on 1 tutoring someone who has never touched a bow!
Heeeey, THX you just did a good recap of all SHAD, NuSENSEI, LARS ANDRESEN and TOD's workshop (Joe Gibbs) and COMBINED THEM. Archery is about WHAT WORKS! GJ
I've been trying to find information on some Asian style of archery for one of my characters in my comic. Thank you for the video. It helped quite a bit.
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Video was so cool. Usually catch your shorts but I learned a lot here.
Also, been waiting ages for you to mention the Lars Anderson video.
I'm happy you talked about the Prey movie.
The movie is good but as an archer I really wanted to see real comanche technique, which happens to be even more efficient in reality than the reverse grip of the movie.
Still the sacrifice scene of the brother saves it a little bit as he fights the predator and stab him multiple times with the same arrow (love that sequence)
When introducing my friends to archery i always teach them Slavic. I just find it the most intuitive and natural, and it works great if you're not shooting anything too heavy
I've left this comment on other archery videos, I'll repeat it here. Can you imagine the person who invented the bow so many thousands of years ago, could they fathom a world where we have footprints on the MOON but here we are still fascinated by and using their invention? Would blow their minds.
Biggest takeaway for me is anyone looking in film to use archers needs to watch this as many situations for them in circumstances in the film may call for a different style. Hawkeye really could have used this in the films he was in as just from memory he seems to be able to benefit greatly by using different styles as he is shown to be a master Marksmen in any given situation.
What an amazing lecture! ❤❤❤
They made a Robin Hood movie a few years ago and they brought in Lars Anderson to teach the actor how to do his speed shooting, they mixed it with Slavic draw and cgi arrows. Which actually turned out kinda neat and gave the movie a unique archery style. And I also typically use Slavic draw when I want to shoot faster.
There was a bonus lesson that was unexpected: It explained the "arse-out" stance of modern long-bow archers!
Really loving these archery videos, mate! Only request I have, if you see this, is for a video going over some possible alternative draws for the compound bow. As much as I wanna think these can just easily transfer over, I know a compound bow works very differently than a recurve, so I'm just curious to other options for that outside Olympic style
Keep up the great videos though!
With a modern compound, you use a release aid. You don't draw it with fingers (or thumb) because the lateral force during release can cause the string to jump off of the cams.
Oyi - former all american fencer, semi pro boxer, casual firearms since i was 4. Like your stuff.
I'm an historical reenactor. I've used bows for medieval reenactment for some 20 years. Recently I had to take a course in olympic archery for legal reasons. There I found two kind of archers: those who understand that a medieval archer wouldn't have found useful a 20-pounds bow (meaning that a medieval reenactor has a perfectly legit reason to want to shoot a 40-to-60-pounds bow) and those who genuinely couldn't understand why I wanted to shoot a stronger bow even if it makes for less accurate shooting against a target. Both approaches are PERFECTLY valid, mind you. If you are NOT doing reenactment, a weaker bow is objectively better to shoot a static target at 18 meters. But you find sensible _and_ stupid people on both fields - those who understand you can have the hobby of reenacting how bows historically were, AND you can have the hobby of shooting as accurately as possible with modern bows... and those who don't understand either hobby and claim nobody should have the one they don't understad.
The fastest I’ve done with Mediterranean style is 3 Arrows in 10 seconds, but fine for target arrows and I cannot maintain that after the first three. I’ve played with all those draws and even the Native American pinch with the weak fingers under the pinch on the string. Getting older so I’ve tried the walking, kneeling, unmounted parting shot and different arrow holding techniques what fun! Thank you for the video.
thank you for the information and help I been trying to learn thumb draw with no luck but you help me get a idea.
Great video, Mr!
I feel like every time he does a long pause he thinks “wtf am I doing” 😭👍🏻
I enjoy your videos so much
I've always wanted to see "full contact archery" as a sport. Two archers on opposite ends of a football field, wearing fencing style protection, with blunt arrows. They take turns shooting at each other, taking a step forward after each shot. The need to go fast while also avoiding getting shot without running out of your arrows would make it exciting.
Korean film The Host has a character that is an Olympic archer. She tries to attack a monster with her bow, to very mixed results for all the reasons you explained 🤣
I've been playing too much Rogue Trader, because now I want to make an Adeptus Mechanicus Archer, someone who marvels at the intricacies of such a simple weapon. And so they've got a Mechadendrite (robotic extra arm) they've built to resolve a bunch of these issues. Because a 3rd arm would solve a LOT of these issues!
This also did just make me think of an idea for DnD to allow the slower, single shot power style as an option with its own pros and cons.
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UGH. LARS ANDERSON
Three under in Olympic Archery? Where? Did I miss something? :)
As someone who picked up archery with a 70 pound bow because im an igit, i have picked up some fun little techniques that allow me to shoot at weird angles, like on what leg.
Hey. I know this is for fun, In Olympic is one finger over and two below. Barebow is three under.
Thank you! This was really interesting.
"No you don't understand, I'm buying this pole for trick shooting."
Well, Interesting!
If you happen to be in a situation where hunting game is crucial for your survival.
Which technique and which kind of bow would you choose?
A modern crossbow.
If that doesn't appeal, then a modern compound bow.
A very distant third would be modern hunting recurve.
I hope he one day gets hired onto a film to get them to use these techniques in the film.
Amazing video answered a lot of questions thank you
The reverse draw is also inherently a weaker draw than a regular draw because of how your hand is pronated instead of supinated. The muscles in the arm and back don’t work as effectively in that orientation compared to a pronated grip (Mediterranean draw) or neutral grip (thumb draw).
Excellent video! 😊
I've developed my own take on thumb draw (doubtful it's remotely original, I just haven't looked for it in the historical record). Using a thumb ring, rather than hooking my index finger over my thumb, I hook my middle finger over my thumb. That leaves my index finger able to lay between the fletching and press the arrow into the bow, or more specifically, on the knuckle of my other thumb. It works in a similar way to the Slavic draw, holding the arrow securely on the string and bow at any angle. I resorted to this because when I started learning how to use a thumb ring, I could never get the arrow to stay where I nocked it on the string, and I noticed that I was using my index finger to hold the arrow in place until I stabilized everything and was ready to draw. It wasn't a big leap to simply keep my index finger on the arrow and use my middle finger to hook my thumb instead. When I first started, I was not impressed by the thumb ring, but now I absolutely love it. I can go through a set of 360 arrows (30 sets of 12) every day without damage to my fingers. I'd get blood blisters and sore spots and rip off freshly formed callouses just by going through a set of 120 arrows a day. My only real limit at this point is my shoulder/back strength, as 360 arrows per day on a 48# bow takes a lot of endurance, but my fingers and thumb are just fine and perfectly capable of continuing on.
I definitely use khatra as well, I picked it up during my transition from the usual Mediterranean draw/arrow on the left style to thumb. I was having a hell of a time adjusting my sight picture and it just didn't seem like there was any reliable way for me to aim with the arrow on the right. It was...somewhere between the string and the bow, kind of off to the right-ish, but that left a huge margin of error for me that manifested as a spread of roughly a meter at 15m. That's when I ran across Japanese archery, where you can clearly see how they intentionally twist the bow to rotate all the way around and sometimes hit the back side of their forearm with the string. I figured, well if the archer's paradox is what's causing my arrows to fly off too far to the right, I'll just see if I can incorporate some torque on the bow to make the arrow fly straight. I've developed a technique where I grip the bow twisted away from me somewhat, and then allow the string to rotate my wrist back to straight. When I release the arrow, I already have that torque set up in my wrist so the bow naturally twists away from me. The arrows fly quite straight and don't actually need fletching within 20m, but the real advantage is that I'm able to point the arrow directly at the target now, rather than some indeterminate angle to the left of the target. So long as I set my grip position up correctly, it takes out a whole lot of the guessing associated with aiming a bare bow. Took me a couple months of practice but my grip is pretty reliable now, and I can adjust for minor inconsistencies by moving the arrow rest knuckle slightly toward or away from the bow. If I'm consistently grouping to the left, I'll just stick my thumb out a mm or two from the bow, if it's to the right, I'll flex my thumb inward toward the bow a little. The other advantage is I haven't once kissed my forearm with the string since I started using that technique. It's a small advantage, but I'll take it.
5:20 Or another way to get around the problem of where the CGI arrow goes is to just forget to put it in... There's a blooper in The Lord of The Rings: The Two Towers, during the Helm's Deep fight -- an archer let loose with an arrow that was apparently so magical that it was entirely invisible... 😅
there's also Slavic style where the thumb and index are on the same side, which is even faster than having your thumb on the other side. the grip gets weaker though, you have to concentrate more to not let the arrow slip.
what i love about slavic is the opportunity to shoot rly fast, and to be able to walk (even backwards), run, shoot while riding a horse.
when you are able to grip like 6-9 arrows on your bow (not in a "normal" side quiver) you can shoot like from a magazine. i also dont like having the arrows in my draw-hand bc of the reasons you said. and when you have a special back quiver you can get sooooo fast in shooting. check out Siem Horseback archery, he is teaching my Dojo, rly nice guy
8:15 i use that style because of an old wrist injury, i cant maintain grip in the normal form, and in that grip it takes the strain off my wrist and i can hold it for way longer
If anyone is interested in further reading about thumb draw and the "pushdown draw" for heavier warbows, look into Gao Ying style (Inchworm Form).
Great video, interesting info!
Very excellent video, loved the detailed analysis on various styles and inspirations. Would love to hear your thoughts on split finger and 2 finger draws as well!
genuinely invaluable
Nice video
Just to add a bit, as others have said in olympic you use the mediterranian style, not three under. Think even in the rules it is defined that way. World Archery rules are quite strict on what kind of draw you are allowed to use.
To add to the speed shooting, there are many other ways to hold more arrows in one hand, apart for the Lars Anderson style. You can also hold the arrows in the bow hand. The problem for actors and animators would be similar with all, as it would be hard to position the and and fo through the movements without an arrow.
Apart from looking coll there is also a practical use for such a style, especially in horsearchery. You ride up to the enemy fire a volley of 3 or more arrows, hen wheel back, reload from a quiver and come back.
The pinch draw even while it is a weak draw was used all over the world, as you mentioned you can only use it on lightweight bows. Mainly still used by native people in south america and africa. Especially if you uses poisoned arrows, draw power is not so important as long as you can scratch the hide of the prey..
If you had someone who has never handled a bow before and not seen a lot of archery, a lot of them will try a pinch draw first,.
As an addendum for all would be moviemakers, stop having archers hold a bow at full draw for ages like rifle. This is something that has never been done, and is impossible with the high drawweight you would need for a warbow without the hold collapüsing after a few seconds. I see it in training, even on a schoolbow with under 20pounds, the hold collapses for most archer after molding it for more then maybe 30 seconds.
It's a good thing those are prop bows. Dry-firing aside, imagine holding even a 25 lb for an extended amount of time only to lose your grip on the bow and getting smacked in the face.
Watching this and realizing to myself.. Rings of Power might've had a chance if they just hired blumineck as an elf and just let him do his own thing instead of some of those wacky CGI scenes.
Quick question, I've always shot my #45 and #40 flatbows with a two finger draw (Index finger above,, middle finger below), I've just always found it easier to cant the bow properly like this. I used to shoot Mediterranean draw until I switched to trad bows, I believe it's called the Flemish draw? But I virtually never see anyone shoot like this. Now to be fair, as a result of this I have a middle finger that's as thick as my thumb, but that aside my question is why is it so unpopular? I've never had any issues with accuracy or with drawing. It would be really interesting to see an analysis of this draw from someone as experienced as yourself. Any chance that could happen? 😁
Great video by the way.
@blue_tree_meadow it is common enough. Main reason you dont see it as much is your giving up draw hand strength for no real gain, unless using a shorter bow and you are having to compensate for more acute string angle.
@@ehisey the reason I think stems from two things. Firstly I had quite a nasty accident about 40 years ago which whilst I completely recovered from about 5 or 6 years later has always affected certain aspects of my body posture, and secondly this meant that when I started shooting trad bows and ditched my modern bow I found I had to switch from Mediterranean draw to two fingered draw to be able to comfortably cant the bow. However after I got used to it I found I had a much cleaner release. It does mean my ring size on the middle finger of my draw hand is now a Z5 and my index finger's now a Z, but I've always had big hands anyway. It was only later that I found out it was a recognised release. And as for finger strength I can draw a #50 bow with my middle finger alone so you soon get used to it. I don't think it's necessarily better than other styles it's just that it works for me and I was curious why it seems to have died out? 👍
I heard once the MONGOLS were so successful because as all rode in on horseback and had a unique BOW design that was vastly superior to the contemporarys... mounted bowmen with deadly aim... Id love to see you talk about mounted archers and specially the Mongols.