Fiona listed off all of the kids accomplishments and didnt say anything about her own, because raising them was her only accomplishment. She didnt live for herself, but for them and when she tried to do things for herself, there was never a moment where anyone let her without making her out to be a bad person for it. They expected everything from her to the point where she couldnt expect anything for herself aoutside of them
@@heartbeat8706 Only for all her development to be ripped away from a cheating boyfriend who was actually married. I hated that, THAT was her tipping point.
+Dulan Abey think about it. Why would Monica react the way she did. Fiona told her she's not her nor Liam's mom anymore. They don't even address her and Frank as "mom" and "dad", just first names cuz the kids don't see them as their mom and dad the way we do to our parents.
+James Karanu That's because "mom" and "dad" are titles one has to earn and not statuses one owns automatically for ones life once one gets children. There comes a time when abused and neglected children understand that. Sometimes their so called parents come to understand that too.
Sometimes parents leave, sometimes they stay, but a bad parent is a bad parent whether they leave or stay. And honestly sometimes when they leave, they are actually doing you a favor.
True. I don't blame bad parents for leaving. But fix yourself and don't think you can come back so easily. The mom jumped the gun and suggested on taking a child. She should have eased her way in by taking responsibilities of the kids one by one. She relied on a dream and not actions.
This. My father was toxic in all of his relationships whether that be with women, friends, co-workers, kids, etc. he has multiple biological kids with different women and the only ones that suffered in life where the ones that were raised by him, which would be my brother and I. All of his other biological children lived wonderfully. I love him but sometimes I wish my mother would’ve left him when we were children.
@@sandrameesala6804 Here's my opinion. The best bad parent is the one that leaves and never comes back, because if they're gone they can't cause any more damage by staying. I'd rather someone good that isn't a child's parent but loves them and raises them right nonetheless is worth far more than a bad parent that stays out of guilt.
They can't validate the show like that. It utterly and completely refutes this "white privilege" narrative the Libbys have established and Hollywood has endorsed. Not to mention it's set in Obozo's backyard and the Midwest holy grounds for liberals. Award shows are nothing more than political rallies anymore, with professional actors getting up there and showing "true raw emotion" while pushing the left narrative down America's throat. Honestly, I'm stunned the show is still on, because of its polar opposite narrative to Hollywood. Although I'm only at the end of season three, so I'm sure ill see some political bullshit soon, but who knows.
I love the silence that falls after "You were my mother too!" and all you hear is Liam's babble and whine, it almost felt like it added to Fioana's hurt cause that's her baby really and she was just a baby herself.
Yeah Emma and William are great when they breakdown. Honestly looking back at these reminds how many emotional scenes there are in this show and I don’t know, I feel like season 9 has had some tear jerkers. But it doesn’t have the Gallagher Siblings banning together like it used to. Like the past few seasons they hate on each other more and do less things together. I mean most of them are adults know, but even adults need help more often then not.
Fiona was 100% right. ...Monica had no damn business trying to just pop up after all that time trying to play MOM... Debbie, Carl not Liam belonged with her crazy ass...she doesn't even take her damn meds how is she going to possibly care for children.
This scene is not just about how Fiona sacrificed a lot to raise her siblings. It Fiona's way of telling Monica that she didn’t feel like she was able to explore her own goals and dreams because she had to step in and be the adult when she was supposed to live. This is not just Fiona defending her family this is her showing how much resentment she has twords her mother and the hurt of always being the one falling on the sword to protect others including her own mother.
Every one talking about fionas line but did u hear Monicas line talking to debbie and carl. “Im so sorry IF i hurt you.” No, you DID hurt them and that small difference is how i know she was full of shit the entire time. If you really wanna help, change, improve your relationships, you take responsibility
Yeah my dad after years upon years of no care, love or attentiveness towards me, had the nerve to apologise exactly like that: IF i hurt you, then proceeded to give me a comprehensive list of whats happened in his family who happily vilified and alienated me as a 16 year old child, not once asking if I'm okay after having attempted suicide over 10 times and losing my dog on my birthday this year but hey, oh well. Damn, I'm very not okay. Lmao. But yeah, that lazy wording fucking hurts big time.
Right? I alwayssss get distracted from shows because I keep thinking about how the actors are acting, but I never question her performances they’re just so real
moonlight queen yeah like carl is in military school, Debbie is a single mother who is developing a career for herself while lip and ian could use a bit more work they have done alright also they still have untapped potential for Liam to develop
@@thatguyluke242 To be fair, Lip and Ian are quite close to Fiona's change so it kind of explains why the three of them are most fucked up. Debbie, Carl and Liam didn't see much of Monica and Frank, so they weren't as ruined by them.
The girl who plays Debbie (especially in the earlier seasons) could rip my heart out when she was sad. Especially when she locks herself in the bathroom after being pranked at the public pool.
The way Frank IMMEDIATELY sits back down, aware of her suffering and never having done anything to relieve it. The way the kids don't really look Monica in the eye. The way they shrink away from their sister's praise and pride, not sure if they can accept it--if it's allowed with their parents around. The way that Carl and Debbie look at each other and speak in the silent language that siblings and close friends develop, and ultimatley come to an agreement to soothe their mother because they still love her, not because they forgive her--and the way that they both jerk away from her the moment that Fiona leaves, obviously upset with themselves for hurting their sister. This scene is immaculate.
Poor kids, it’s clearly so hard for Fiona to express her hurt so they don’t have to be stuck in the middle of it. But being the kid that was failed so horribly, and the fact Monica all but chose Liam, Carl and Debbie because she happened to get sober long after Fiona grew up must be too painful to accept.
I always thought the hug from them was just because they’re a lot younger than Lip and Ian and don’t 100% understand why she doesn’t want anything to do with them. Like, goddammit they just want a hug from their mom and for her to love them so when she shows the smallest bit of attention towards them they just accept the hug because it’s the only thing Monica’s ever given them.
yeah. Every one of Fiona's break out scenes like this are my favorite. She's so in character and it's a bit emotional. It's sad she has to constantly remind her parents of what they did to fuck up their relationship
It's a close one for me, but my absolute favorite is the last few minutes of S2Ep11. When Lip realizes the baby has downs and isn't his, but ends on a happy note with Jody and Sheils riding off on the motorcycle yelling "WOOOO!". Perfection.
@@pluzUltraquill so what??I have bpd and no way in hell am I abandoning and hurting my kids(if I ever have them),mental disorders are not an excuse to do shitty things
@@pluzUltraquill A mental illness is not an excuse to abandon your kids and possibly traumatize them. You don't get to hurt people just because you're bipolar and use that as an excuse, wtf
I LOVE FIONA... she has her shit with her but no matter what she LOVESSSS her siblings to death and they ALL would be worse off if she hadn't been there through the years. #FACTS
Lawrence Le ...actually Frank is the main character everyone else is the supporting cast. The show is about an alcoholic/drug addicted father that does terrible things to his family. lol.
"Maybe I'll never be able to make things right with you, but there's still time with Liam." In other words, "I'm a terrible mother and you've suffered multiple traumas at my hands, but Liam is so young, I can take him back and pretend I was always a great mother. But to hell with the rest of you who are older, you all know way too much."
Ugh one of the best acted scenes of the series. Also I love how the second Fiona leaves, Debbie and Carl move away from Monica. Did they want their mom to be a mom? Of course but Fiona means the world to them and they'd choose her in a heartbeat
"You were my mother too!" The way she teared up right after saying that wasn't adult Fiona...that was the little girl her parents abandoned making an appearance and saying what she needed to say at long last!
this isn't about equal pay. Macy came into the show as a more prominent actor with a longer list of accomplishments in the business. I hate people making shit about gender when it isn't. equal pay has been a law since like the fucking 60s. there is no wage gap nor discrimination in pay towards women. also some sources said she was being paid just as much as him but wanted even more. ofc actors don't exactly know how much their peers are always being paid so the whole situation is a bit fickle.
fox inuasha she plays the biggest role on the show. She was getting paid equally as him in the recent season but she wanted to be compensated for the previous seasons and she got it because the show couldn't go on without her.
that's hard to measure. in terms of screen time I'd guess both Fiona and Frank have nearly the same amount of screentime. And both have had some great storylines plus scenes where they prove their worth. I hardly care about all this though. I'm just glad its all over and the delay on filming season 8 didn't go on for any longer. Might be the last season we get and I'm hoping for a few characters to return that otherwise wouldn't have if the s7 finale was all we got.
Maybe in Season 1-4. But her character basically became as a side story that didn't matter to anything going on. They didn't know what to do to her as all the kids grew up.
Because Macy still had more star power than the rest of the cast combined. It's not how much your in the show. It's how much your agent can squeeze out of the production.
I’m so tired of this argument. When they booked Shameless - did Rossum even have one “Fargo” under her belt ?? That’s like saying a talented rookie should’ve gotten Reggie Jackson pay cause he hit homers at Reggie’s pace his first year. Doesn’t hold water
The fact that after Fiona said that her mom just said, “Maybe I will never make things right with you.” As if she had already given up on mending their relationship. It made me so mad for Fiona and I haven’t even watched the show. The mom didn’t even try to comfort her and proceeded to go to the younger kids. What a terrible parent!
Those awards arent decided by you and I . You have to be "in the club" to get an emmy or oscar etc. Last year a terrorist group got an Oscar (White helmets) There is no legitimacy in those awards.
If I were there, I'd meet Fiona. She can shout at me and release all of her pain, stress, pressure at me until she breaks down in tears, then I'd hug her.
Y'all are talking about how she didn't apologize to Fiona and went straight to Debbie and Carl, but she didn't even register the older boys. That's what pisses me off. You can see Ian's hurt as he pretends to be mad in the background. And Lip. Lip didn't even expect anything else. He's given up. And that makes me so so hurt and so angry for both of them.
Because parents or not parents like her know they can manipulate the younger ones won’t apologize. Won’t try to make things better with the older ones cause that’s what actually takes work.
Dude fuck them! Fiona did everything for everybody and yeh she screwed up a few times but they came out semi-alright nobodies perfect, the fact of the matter is she at least tried. This makes me cry cause deadbeat parents really have no idea how they affect their kids in the long run. I know from experience, double birds to dad i still went to college and im an honor student....wow that escalated quickly. LOVE U FIONA!!!!
Currently binging this show and this is one of the best scenes of the entire show Fiona is such a complex charectar and shes also the best charactar due In part to Emily Rossum's amazing acting and I love this show so much. This scene is why this is the best show on showtime
Kevin I agree Emily is an amazing actress ,She is a very accomplished actress , and so gorgeous , and has depth .I am sure she is grateful for the writing . This scene is fantastic ,and in some ways complex , as is Fiona's character ,but in some ways so simple .It's about abandonment and abuse .This is the best show on showtime for me .If this was real life , trust me ,each of these kids if given a chance at therapy would spend months or years on the couch discussing this life event .
Why did emmy never get the recognition she deserved for this show…. She carried it in the acting department for YEARS… I see why she left the series after all that drama with the pay raises. It seems like no one behind the scenes understood her worth and how good she is
I’m a 33 year old man this scene gets to me deeply every time I’ve seen this episode. Even though it’s coming from Fiona as a daughters stand point but I felt this in my soul. I’m the oldest of 7 kids the youngest being 18 years old today. I was 14 years old watching over 6 of my siblings. We all didn’t turn out perfect but we all made it. My greatest achievement was watching all 6 graduate high school and the youngest with honors and is on his way to college.
Respect to you. I am the second of five. And I know what my big sister gave and still gives and does for us. She does not believe me, when I say, what a great person she is. She thinks I would not see her "dark sides". But I think I can see her very clear and I know better then her.
This is super peripheral to the point but I absolutely love that Frank sits down when Fiona tells him "Shut up frank, this isn't about you." He's definitely afraid of his own daughter, as he should be.
Fiona was the backbone of this family, I always come back to this speech and her speaking to Frank about Monica… she did the best she could and was forced to grow up too fast too soon. Her character deserved so much more than what they gave her… and the actress did an Oscar worthy performance
When she says "You were my mother too" you can tell, inside, she is still the little girl whose mom abandoned her. No matter how hard she tries to hold it together for the others, her pain hasn't eased.
one of the best confrontation scenes ever from a US TV Series. Emmy Rossum's acting here is phenomenal, made me cry all the time especially that "You were my mother too" part, she literally took over the part of being the mother of that household, and to add her father was a drunkard too to cope with sadness, and she dealt with that too as a young girl. what a cruel mother
This is why Fiona is my favorite character, she takes care of her siblings more than either of their parents ever did...this show seriously reminds me of my family it hits close to home every time
It says so much when the little kids pull away from their “mom” at the end. It’s like instinctively, they know that she’s not to be trusted. That Fiona is the one who has really been there.
I love that when Fiona says the line "You are my mother too!" its very hard to discern whether she states "you are..." or "you were..." and I think that's just amazing! Its either Fiona recognizing that Monica is not her mother anymore or Fiona emphasizing that she is not meant to be in this role since Monica is also her mother love this scene so much
It sounds to me like she said "you WERE my mother too" like its past tense. I can't imagine being early 20's and having to take care of 5 kids, go to work, pay all the bills and not lose my sanity! xxx
The look on Monica's face when Fiona says "you were MY mother too!" makes me so mad, that look like "you're the oldest, it's your job to look after your siblings" look after, not raise. Not everyone is meant to be a parent, Monica and Frank are fantastic examples of that.
The saddest thing I always noticed when I first watched the series was how it shows Debbie and Carl slowly start not believing their parents anymore. When they were little they were so inclined to forgive and have their mommy again, but as they grow older they start to realize the truth of how unreliable she really is.
I haven't seen this show but by looking it up some scenes from the show it looks like a really good show but damn this really hit me. Emmy's performance was here was just wow...excellent performance I almost cried especially when she said "you we're my mother too."
"You're my mother too!" Damn I feel the pain of the little girl inside of her begging to be loved by her mom. Mothers & their 1st born daughter's are a lesson in honoring & loving with no rules or expectations.
I loved the UK version of Skins (season 1 and 2). I loved the UK version of Being Human. I hated the US version of both shows. But...the opposite happened with Shameless. I ended up loving the US version of the show BETTER than the original. I thought the acting was better and the actors were a lot more charismatic. I actually cared about what happened to all the Gallaghers this time around. It was pretty cool!
Same here - first time I prefer an American remake^^ Although I loved James McAvoy as Steve/Jimmy in the UK version (I can't stand the American actor, just because he isn't James McAvoy I think^^) but all in all I really prefer the US version!
***** i also have to agree on both accounts, justin chatwin is probably the weakest actor in the american lineup. But the american show is far superior.
Best scene out of the entire series, the second best is when Fiona yelled at that trust fund baby girl who gave her laundry mat a bad review. Emmy MADE this show.
the way that Fiona and her mom look at each other after Fiona said "you were my mother too" is so familiar to me , I've looked at my mother the same way. such a great display of emotions on her face
That's so true and that says a lot about how she sees her children. She wants the ones that aren't as jaded by how much she hurt them... She doesn't care about Fiona at all, she doesn't even acknowledge what she did to her, much less the other children ("I'm sorry IF I Hurt you"). This scene always stood out to me in the early seasons and honestly it's no doubt the Gallagher kids were so fucked up. Fiona did the best she could as a previously abused and neglected child and inevitably fucked up adult.
"you were my mother too!" I think some forget Fionna raised her siblings by herself. She needed someone to help her with her emotions, her period, growing up, feeling loved. She needed a mother. But she was abandoned before any of them.
i always felt like monica loved ian the most. when fiona says "ian was promoted in rotc" and monica sobbed/her face change, showed me that it moved her the most hearing about ian. idk i always just got those vibes!
What i hate about this scene is how those kids, her siblings just watched and the youngests even hug the mother ( i get that they are young and naive). They should step up for her just like what she did to all of them. If i were her sibling, i’ll slap the mother in the face and leave with her
that's fair, but they're also children that have always craved the love and attention from their parents. they do get love and attention from their older siblings, especially fiona, but she's just that - a sibling. a sibling's love or even a significant other's love is different than the love of a parent. it makes sense that they'd naively hope that monica would actually be serious this time 😔
@@starsalignedits i know thats why i said i get that they are young and naive but still won’t make it any better. And anw monica dead and the oldests were happy about that
you know at first I really liked the show but after fiona fucked up one time everyone started hating on her she put her life on the back burner just so she can keep her family out of foster care and they treated her like shit when she fucked up a few times
I can u understand and will admit fiona did some fucked up shit. However i want to clarify to many who dont realize she basically became their mother their parental guardian when she herself was only a child, she raised them when she was a child and it wasnt until her final moments on the show that she realized she needs to move on and become an adult, she needed to get away from the family in order to essentially grow up. They all relied on fiona, when she could barely care for herself. It wasnt fair to them and especially not to her.
I haven't seen this show but this is fantastic dialogue writing. Fiona doesn't just praise her siblings, she reveals raising her siblings was her only accomplishment. It's why she said "I did a great job" and proceeded to express that. Her mother is very detached from her kids lives given she tells Fiona "I appreciate that, but I'm here now" as if Fiona was a paid nanny all these years and not her daughter. "You were my mother too" isn't just about expressing heartbreak. Fiona is giving her mom a chance here to be her mother now. She's telling her she needed her and even as a capable adult she'd still want her mom in her life, but her mom is too selfish to get there. She is unwilling to face hardships she caused with her own actions and choices by being there for her older children. This is shown when she approaches her youngest children. We see her two older boys in frame suddenly realize their mom didn't come for them. She didn't come back to be a mom. She came back to soothe her wounds. Having lived with addicts in my life, I imagine the mother is a "recovered" addict of some kind. I wager she relapsed sometime after this scene. She's not taking accountability so she hasn't fully recovered. Something important about addicts is you have to give the people in your life the chance to reject you. Not only for their sake but for your own. You have to own up to what you did but sometimes the relationship is over. That's okay. You can still grow and take your journey without them. You can still become a better person even if your old relationships are over. You have to be the one to ground yourself and hold yourself accountable, not put that on other people. There's a huge difference between shame and guilt. Shame is "I am wrong" and you can't live with shame. It breeds insecurities and causes you to harbor resentment toward yourself, make you feel less than, can lead to things like depression. It can cause narcissistic behavior bc narcissism is rooted in insecurity. You put on a performance to compensate for how you feel inside and it hurts those around you and yourself. Shame is an absence of inner peace and you become inconsolable until you can reconcile the shame within yourself. Shame is still rooted in ideology of pride. Just like hate is not the opposite of love, rather apathy is the opposite of love, shame and pride both boil down to selfishness and entitlement. Both are rooted in ideas of "I can never be better than this, this is how I am and people will have to deal with it or they dont love me enough, there's nothing I can do, I have no other choices" and whether or not you pretend to have confidence or ego with it, they are still both thoughts that apply to shame and pride. It's about you first, you at the center of everything, and everyone has to get on board or get out of the way. The above is addict psychology. Substance abuse is a symptom of being an addict, but you don't have to be a substance abuser to have addict personality traits. The best way to neutralize pride and shame is to be humble and grateful. Learn to appreciate what you have, understand you can't choose your feelings but you can choose your response to them, learn to take accountability for the result of your choices and own up to things even if they are an accident, and understand that no one can ever expect you to be perfect so you are allowed to be messy just also allow yourself to own up to being messy when you do make mistakes. That's how you grow and foster healthy relationships. This is not the same as having guilt. You can live with guilt and you should. Guilt is "I did something wrong" and that's okay. It acknowledges your role in the outcome of something and that in itself is empowering. You now know how to do things better and can make better choices and share that with others. You have control over how much of a victim you feel like now. Guilt that becomes consuming targets your identity and becomes shame, it's no longer about an action or choice but about who you are as a person and delves into hopelessness. But you're not hopeless. It's okay to have messed up and even messed up beyond repair. You have to understand sometimes apologies aren't enough and you cant fix everything. That's okay. In this scene, Fiona wants her mother to acknowledge what she did and didn't do. She's actually giving her mother a chance to learn to live with her guilt. Because guilt can be soothed but it never goes away completely. Trying to bury it turns into shame, turns into something we feel we have to hide from others lest we be seen as lesser than. But we all make bad choices. It's okay to own them and we should. It wont make things go back to how they were with Fiona and her mom, but this can give them a chance to move forward, to heal, and to decide if they want to navigate a new relationship with each other. Instead, her mother chooses shame by refusing to admit she was wrong and refusing to acknowledge the pain she inflicted on Fiona specifically. That's why Fiona walks out. I get the impression Fiona is an addict as well by how she turns her siblings against her mother at the end there. Cycles are hard to break, but that choice will ultimately be Fiona's as well to be better than how her mom raised her or rather didn't raise her to be.
This show deserved more Emmys than it got. Joan Cusack and William Macy have both won Emmys from the show but all the other actors deserve it too especially Emmy Rossum!
It's one thing to apologize and change as a person, but that doesnt mean people have to forgive you just because your related and that doesnt mean you have the right to do what she did. Unfortunately a lot of parents are too afraid to face that fact and they'll try to force kids to love them or put up with them out of selfishness of not being able to let go, and in most cases they arent changed and will end up still traumatizing the remainder of their childhood.
this scene was made so well great actors for sure.... you can feel the memories that it realy holds and touching in the heart for some of us who grew up in the same atmosphere with those kinds of parents
Frank loved Monica in spite of her many flaws and would defend her to the death. But the fact he sat down when Fiona told him to shut up shows the respect he has for her and that he actually knows she's right too.
I was expecting the “SHE WAS NEVER FCKNG HERE!! I was NINE. I was in fourth grade, dragging your ahh passed out in from the yard so you wouldn’t freeze to death” etc.. part
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Fiona listed off all of the kids accomplishments and didnt say anything about her own, because raising them was her only accomplishment. She didnt live for herself, but for them and when she tried to do things for herself, there was never a moment where anyone let her without making her out to be a bad person for it. They expected everything from her to the point where she couldnt expect anything for herself aoutside of them
No one in that family appreciated her. She deserved so much better
I was so happy when she started focusing on herself
@@heartbeat8706 Only for all her development to be ripped away from a cheating boyfriend who was actually married. I hated that, THAT was her tipping point.
@@ARK9WLF kind of weird though since shes cheated in the past too
@@julia-ex7im exactly.
i love that fiona supports all her siblings, regardless of their interests. even Carl's destructive tendencies, she finds good things in.
That’s what I love about Fiona supporting all of her siblings no matter what
I hated that in the later seasons they started turning on her
@@heartbeat8706 fr she did everything for them and they turned their backs on fiona. I’m gonna stop watching once i reach s9
@@Shigzmi I know right, I hated it how they turn their backs on her if she was my sister I would never turn my back on her
@@Shigzmi it was mostly Debby and lip Carl and Liam never turned on Fiona ever!!
the fact frank sat down so quickly, really does show how heavily fiona has kept this family together. kinda wholesome in a weird way
It was funny , when frank sat down when she told him to “shut up frank” 0:23
Thanks for the likes
@@Dark.ndaynight fr😭
@@Dark.ndaynight lol ikr
Dysfunctional, not weird. I get dysfunctional.
She already said no so y the fuck r u still bothering her
the "You were my mother, too" part gets me every time
Same af
Same here
Same
BlakeFerret I loathe Monica.
BlakeFerret same
"You are my mother too!!" Fucking perfect.
I'm pretty sure it's you WERE my mother too.
+James Karanu I'm hearing "you are" :) !
+Dulan Abey think about it. Why would Monica react the way she did. Fiona told her she's not her nor Liam's mom anymore. They don't even address her and Frank as "mom" and "dad", just first names cuz the kids don't see them as their mom and dad the way we do to our parents.
+James Karanu That's because "mom" and "dad" are titles one has to earn and not statuses one owns automatically for ones life once one gets children. There comes a time when abused and neglected children understand that. Sometimes their so called parents come to understand that too.
Dulan Abey I've replayed it just to hear that part. The build up was perfect!
"and Carl made something blow up for his science fair!!!"
Not constructive, but he still followed through.
Not surprising
Sometimes parents leave, sometimes they stay, but a bad parent is a bad parent whether they leave or stay. And honestly sometimes when they leave, they are actually doing you a favor.
True. I don't blame bad parents for leaving. But fix yourself and don't think you can come back so easily. The mom jumped the gun and suggested on taking a child. She should have eased her way in by taking responsibilities of the kids one by one. She relied on a dream and not actions.
This. My father was toxic in all of his relationships whether that be with women, friends, co-workers, kids, etc. he has multiple biological kids with different women and the only ones that suffered in life where the ones that were raised by him, which would be my brother and I. All of his other biological children lived wonderfully. I love him but sometimes I wish my mother would’ve left him when we were children.
AMEN!
@@sandrameesala6804 Here's my opinion. The best bad parent is the one that leaves and never comes back, because if they're gone they can't cause any more damage by staying.
I'd rather someone good that isn't a child's parent but loves them and raises them right nonetheless is worth far more than a bad parent that stays out of guilt.
I’m screenshotting this: thank you for wording it in a way that is very easy to understand, I appreciate it. Your words mean a lot to me.
Give Emmy an Emmy!
lol xd
she'll probably will never been nominated tbh her emmy buzz ended long ago
Lawrence Le She needs to branch out... do other acting that will raise her status in the acting world
They can't validate the show like that. It utterly and completely refutes this "white privilege" narrative the Libbys have established and Hollywood has endorsed. Not to mention it's set in Obozo's backyard and the Midwest holy grounds for liberals.
Award shows are nothing more than political rallies anymore, with professional actors getting up there and showing "true raw emotion" while pushing the left narrative down America's throat.
Honestly, I'm stunned the show is still on, because of its polar opposite narrative to Hollywood. Although I'm only at the end of season three, so I'm sure ill see some political bullshit soon, but who knows.
Ryan West **oscar
I love the silence that falls after "You were my mother too!" and all you hear is Liam's babble and whine, it almost felt like it added to Fioana's hurt cause that's her baby really and she was just a baby herself.
It felt very real too. Like something you’d overhear in real life.
YEEEES I thought this too the silence was soooo strong in this scene.
And how she shrinks away like a child almost :(
"Emmy deserves an award for this scene." Like ... an.... Emmy?
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opchild Just a typo, bro. Relax.
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Yeah Emma and William are great when they breakdown. Honestly looking back at these reminds how many emotional scenes there are in this show and I don’t know, I feel like season 9 has had some tear jerkers. But it doesn’t have the Gallagher Siblings banning together like it used to. Like the past few seasons they hate on each other more and do less things together. I mean most of them are adults know, but even adults need help more often then not.
"SHUT UP FRANK!!" xD His face and reaction is priceless!
Fiona was 100% right. ...Monica had no damn business trying to just pop up after all that time trying to play MOM... Debbie, Carl not Liam belonged with her crazy ass...she doesn't even take her damn meds how is she going to possibly care for children.
+Bruce Doyle oh I wasn't saying you didn't know lol. I was just speaking from my opinion that's all. Frank's face was priceless. .
blksag74 Oh ok, well yeah your right.
ikr u can tell she scared the shit outta him
Sylvia Silas Frank is HORRIBLE and the damage done between Fiona and Monica is permanent . Fiona's life was ALTERED because of her .
This scene is not just about how Fiona sacrificed a lot to raise her siblings. It Fiona's way of telling Monica that she didn’t feel like she was able to explore her own goals and dreams because she had to step in and be the adult when she was supposed to live. This is not just Fiona defending her family this is her showing how much resentment she has twords her mother and the hurt of always being the one falling on the sword to protect others including her own mother.
The Gallagher kids were better off without their DNA donors.
Still one of the best scenes on the entire show.
TheKingsHeree yASS
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The actors on this show are so good I can't even
I agree, best ever
Emmy Rossum isn't a good actress, though. She's mediocre at best in this show and terrible in everything else she's ever been in.
Max Lim
How
If you think the actors on this show are great ( even though their not) watch the uk verison the acting is great and its more believable
I thought the UK version was bad, but to each their own.
Every one talking about fionas line but did u hear Monicas line talking to debbie and carl. “Im so sorry IF i hurt you.” No, you DID hurt them and that small difference is how i know she was full of shit the entire time. If you really wanna help, change, improve your relationships, you take responsibility
Yeah my dad after years upon years of no care, love or attentiveness towards me, had the nerve to apologise exactly like that: IF i hurt you, then proceeded to give me a comprehensive list of whats happened in his family who happily vilified and alienated me as a 16 year old child, not once asking if I'm okay after having attempted suicide over 10 times and losing my dog on my birthday this year but hey, oh well. Damn, I'm very not okay. Lmao. But yeah, that lazy wording fucking hurts big time.
@@loominizer31 u know u can edit your comments after u post em
My dad apologizes like this all the time, too. I’m sorry IF I hurt you. No, you DID hurt me
she’s a bipolar????
@@user-iw8js7ne3d she was still a shitty mom to her but yea she is bipolar so I understand but she was still a shitty mom
it is INSANE Emmy Rossum didn't get nominated for an Emmy for her time on Shameless. Not even once.
Such injustice!
Because its a corrupt business
Emmy deserves an Emmy
haha emmy emmy
Right? I alwayssss get distracted from shows because I keep thinking about how the actors are acting, but I never question her performances they’re just so real
Fiona raised them and she did one hell of a good job
moonlight queen yeah like carl is in military school, Debbie is a single mother who is developing a career for herself while lip and ian could use a bit more work they have done alright also they still have untapped potential for Liam to develop
@@thatguyluke242 To be fair, Lip and Ian are quite close to Fiona's change so it kind of explains why the three of them are most fucked up. Debbie, Carl and Liam didn't see much of Monica and Frank, so they weren't as ruined by them.
Debbie's face when she realises Fiona's leaving :(
Emily ...DEBBIE was horrified .... Fiona had been there for EVERYTHING..
Emily ...it was sad...the acting on this show is stellar ..lol
I legit almost cried so fucking much
Brianna Jean
The girl who plays Debbie (especially in the earlier seasons) could rip my heart out when she was sad. Especially when she locks herself in the bathroom after being pranked at the public pool.
The way Frank IMMEDIATELY sits back down, aware of her suffering and never having done anything to relieve it. The way the kids don't really look Monica in the eye. The way they shrink away from their sister's praise and pride, not sure if they can accept it--if it's allowed with their parents around. The way that Carl and Debbie look at each other and speak in the silent language that siblings and close friends develop, and ultimatley come to an agreement to soothe their mother because they still love her, not because they forgive her--and the way that they both jerk away from her the moment that Fiona leaves, obviously upset with themselves for hurting their sister.
This scene is immaculate.
Poor kids, it’s clearly so hard for Fiona to express her hurt so they don’t have to be stuck in the middle of it. But being the kid that was failed so horribly, and the fact Monica all but chose Liam, Carl and Debbie because she happened to get sober long after Fiona grew up must be too painful to accept.
I always thought the hug from them was just because they’re a lot younger than Lip and Ian and don’t 100% understand why she doesn’t want anything to do with them. Like, goddammit they just want a hug from their mom and for her to love them so when she shows the smallest bit of attention towards them they just accept the hug because it’s the only thing Monica’s ever given them.
This is the scene that had me obsessed with the show. Still think this is probably the best scene and episode of the entire series.
yeah. Every one of Fiona's break out scenes like this are my favorite. She's so in character and it's a bit emotional. It's sad she has to constantly remind her parents of what they did to fuck up their relationship
It's a close one for me, but my absolute favorite is the last few minutes of S2Ep11. When Lip realizes the baby has downs and isn't his, but ends on a happy note with Jody and Sheils riding off on the motorcycle yelling "WOOOO!".
Perfection.
It's honestly sad how Monica gives a thankful smile in the end of the clip. After all that, she still doesn't get it. It's fucking sickening.
Kitty Grimm She is s disgusting person. She doesn't deserve another chance with her kids!
She’s not smiling she’s crying
let's not forget that she's bipolar
@@pluzUltraquill so what??I have bpd and no way in hell am I abandoning and hurting my kids(if I ever have them),mental disorders are not an excuse to do shitty things
@@pluzUltraquill A mental illness is not an excuse to abandon your kids and possibly traumatize them. You don't get to hurt people just because you're bipolar and use that as an excuse, wtf
fiona will always be my favorite gallagher no matter what.
I LOVE FIONA... she has her shit with her but no matter what she LOVESSSS her siblings to death and they ALL would be worse off if she hadn't been there through the years. #FACTS
Carl wound up in jail because of FRANK'S advice....instead of telling him selling drugs was bad he encouraged it.
+Kaitlyn Hawkins I think it's episode nine of season 1
well she is the main character
Lawrence Le ...actually Frank is the main character everyone else is the supporting cast. The show is about an alcoholic/drug addicted father that does terrible things to his family. lol.
"Maybe I'll never be able to make things right with you, but there's still time with Liam."
In other words, "I'm a terrible mother and you've suffered multiple traumas at my hands, but Liam is so young, I can take him back and pretend I was always a great mother. But to hell with the rest of you who are older, you all know way too much."
exactly…have a parent just like this with my younger siblings i really resonate with fiona here
Exactly
That made me furious.
I realize as I got older my parents had their own trauma and they did the best they could.
Ugh one of the best acted scenes of the series. Also I love how the second Fiona leaves, Debbie and Carl move away from Monica. Did they want their mom to be a mom? Of course but Fiona means the world to them and they'd choose her in a heartbeat
"You were my mother too!"
The way she teared up right after saying that wasn't adult Fiona...that was the little girl her parents abandoned making an appearance and saying what she needed to say at long last!
Fiona is one of the best and deepest characters in the show because of how well Emmy Rossum portrayed her.
She's got her own problems but she knows and calls out on other people's own shit
Fiona isn’t perfect but she is 100% genuine to her family
Xavier g howwww??? does she pass u off
wendykayv1 bc she cheats on all her bfs lol
I love Fiona but the thing that pisses me off about her is that she always cheats on her boyfriends. Sis can't stay loyal
This is why Emmy deserves equal pay
BxGirl Blazin' why should I shut up? Emmy carries the weight of the show, it's only fair that she gets paid just as much as Macy
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this isn't about equal pay. Macy came into the show as a more prominent actor with a longer list of accomplishments in the business. I hate people making shit about gender when it isn't. equal pay has been a law since like the fucking 60s. there is no wage gap nor discrimination in pay towards women.
also some sources said she was being paid just as much as him but wanted even more. ofc actors don't exactly know how much their peers are always being paid so the whole situation is a bit fickle.
fox inuasha she plays the biggest role on the show. She was getting paid equally as him in the recent season but she wanted to be compensated for the previous seasons and she got it because the show couldn't go on without her.
that's hard to measure. in terms of screen time I'd guess both Fiona and Frank have nearly the same amount of screentime. And both have had some great storylines plus scenes where they prove their worth.
I hardly care about all this though. I'm just glad its all over and the delay on filming season 8 didn't go on for any longer.
Might be the last season we get and I'm hoping for a few characters to return that otherwise wouldn't have if the s7 finale was all we got.
The fact that Emmay rossum was being paid LESS than William Macy is shocking . She RAN the show and this proved it. Amazing
Maybe in Season 1-4. But her character basically became as a side story that didn't matter to anything going on. They didn't know what to do to her as all the kids grew up.
Because Macy still had more star power than the rest of the cast combined. It's not how much your in the show. It's how much your agent can squeeze out of the production.
I’m so tired of this argument. When they booked Shameless - did Rossum even have one “Fargo” under her belt ?? That’s like saying a talented rookie should’ve gotten Reggie Jackson pay cause he hit homers at Reggie’s pace his first year. Doesn’t hold water
Macy's the start the name and the face it's called paying dues
The fact that after Fiona said that her mom just said, “Maybe I will never make things right with you.” As if she had already given up on mending their relationship. It made me so mad for Fiona and I haven’t even watched the show. The mom didn’t even try to comfort her and proceeded to go to the younger kids. What a terrible parent!
When she died, Fiona hit her in her casket. I felt relief for her in a way.
How on earth has emmy rossum not gotten a single emmy nod for this show?!!! She is so good in this show!!
pathendlem I only just started the second season(binging through Netflix) and I agree she is Amazing. Fiona is one of my faves and Emmy is Amazing
Those awards arent decided by you and I . You have to be "in the club" to get an emmy or oscar etc. Last year a terrorist group got an Oscar (White helmets) There is no legitimacy in those awards.
To all the Fiona’s out there whose taking care of their siblings, I’m proud of you.
appreciate this comment because im a fiona . i raised my 3 brothers
@@GoddessAphroditee9697 months late but: hope you're doing amazing because you deserve everything! Don't forget to treat yourself
@@CharlieEmmersonVlogz appreciate it 💕💕💕
This is the scene that made me fall in love with this show. Emmy's acting was so incredible. This show as a whole is so underrated
yeah it's so underrated :( I bet I'm the only one who watches this show in the whole New York
Poor Fiona, I always feel so bad for her, she tries so hard :(
If I were there, I'd meet Fiona. She can shout at me and release all of her pain, stress, pressure at me until she breaks down in tears, then I'd hug her.
Y'all are talking about how she didn't apologize to Fiona and went straight to Debbie and Carl, but she didn't even register the older boys. That's what pisses me off. You can see Ian's hurt as he pretends to be mad in the background. And Lip. Lip didn't even expect anything else. He's given up. And that makes me so so hurt and so angry for both of them.
Because parents or not parents like her know they can manipulate the younger ones won’t apologize. Won’t try to make things better with the older ones cause that’s what actually takes work.
Dude fuck them! Fiona did everything for everybody and yeh she screwed up a few times but they came out semi-alright nobodies perfect, the fact of the matter is she at least tried. This makes me cry cause deadbeat parents really have no idea how they affect their kids in the long run. I know from experience, double birds to dad i still went to college and im an honor student....wow that escalated quickly. LOVE U FIONA!!!!
Fiona is the absolute heroine in this show. She did her all when she didn't even have to. They are her siblings, not children.
Currently binging this show and this is one of the best scenes of the entire show Fiona is such a complex charectar and shes also the best charactar due In part to Emily Rossum's amazing acting and I love this show so much. This scene is why this is the best show on showtime
It's Emmy, not Emily :)
Kevin I agree Emily is an amazing actress ,She is a very accomplished actress , and so gorgeous , and has depth .I am sure she is grateful for the writing .
This scene is fantastic ,and in some ways complex , as is Fiona's character ,but in some ways so simple .It's about abandonment and abuse .This is the best show on showtime for me .If this was real life , trust me ,each of these kids if given a chance at therapy would spend months or years on the couch discussing this life event .
jim gardam EMILY? HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH DUDE ITS EMMY NOT FUCKING EMILY
ooooops i hope that doesn't blow my chances of dating her .
Where can I watch this? Hulu? Netflix?
Why did emmy never get the recognition she deserved for this show…. She carried it in the acting department for YEARS… I see why she left the series after all that drama with the pay raises. It seems like no one behind the scenes understood her worth and how good she is
They paid her when she requested a raise
I’m a 33 year old man this scene gets to me deeply every time I’ve seen this episode. Even though it’s coming from Fiona as a daughters stand point but I felt this in my soul. I’m the oldest of 7 kids the youngest being 18 years old today. I was 14 years old watching over 6 of my siblings. We all didn’t turn out perfect but we all made it. My greatest achievement was watching all 6 graduate high school and the youngest with honors and is on his way to college.
aww that’s great! i wish the best for you and your family. i bet u were a great brother💝
Respect to you. I am the second of five. And I know what my big sister gave and still gives and does for us. She does not believe me, when I say, what a great person she is. She thinks I would not see her "dark sides". But I think I can see her very clear and I know better then her.
Keep on keepin' on Dadolore, I reckon we struggle and suffer through heck so we know how to keep our loved ones from feeling it the same way
As a man with a train wreck and narcissistic mother, and a clinically depressed, alcoholic father who is now dead-I felt this in my soul as well.
This isn't about you you man
1:12 My heart stopped
BGCUnedits TV same
This is super peripheral to the point but I absolutely love that Frank sits down when Fiona tells him "Shut up frank, this isn't about you." He's definitely afraid of his own daughter, as he should be.
He knows who the adult of the house is. And it sure as hell isn't him or Monica
“All kids deserve parents, but not all parents deserve kids”
-Someone wise
“they did it all” she respected them bc she knew she might’ve raised them but they did it themselves and achieved what they wanted themselves to
damn, emmy is a fucking great actress
She really at times lifts the entire show on her shoulders.Her character is so complex and I need more people to recognize her talent!
This is the Fiona I miss..
Pffffff she's still the same but you to stupid to see , maybe you need to grow up a little.
Ariel Bertin wow........judging by your comment you may need to grow up first......
Amina Harris Agree. Season 5 Fiona seems too erghh.
Aaron Moh I haven't even been to season 2 yet, but curious why you say that.
Cassie Guedea u’ll see lol
Fiona was the backbone of this family, I always come back to this speech and her speaking to Frank about Monica… she did the best she could and was forced to grow up too fast too soon. Her character deserved so much more than what they gave her… and the actress did an Oscar worthy performance
When she says "You were my mother too" you can tell, inside, she is still the little girl whose mom abandoned her. No matter how hard she tries to hold it together for the others, her pain hasn't eased.
Surely I'm not the first to say it........but Emmy deserves an Emmy.
one of the best confrontation scenes ever from a US TV Series. Emmy Rossum's acting here is phenomenal, made me cry all the time especially that "You were my mother too" part, she literally took over the part of being the mother of that household, and to add her father was a drunkard too to cope with sadness, and she dealt with that too as a young girl. what a cruel mother
its copied and pasted from the orginal UK series. I recommend it.
This girl deserves an Emmy, she's awesome!!
This is why Fiona is my favorite character, she takes care of her siblings more than either of their parents ever did...this show seriously reminds me of my family it hits close to home every time
The Liam coke situation was inexcusable tho 😅 but yes she has been through the ringer
@@___Alina___24 that's the one time she ever fucked up in the show is during that whole season smh but everyone else...Lip? Omg fucks up all the time
Fiona's face watching debbie and carl hugging monica :(
It says so much when the little kids pull away from their “mom” at the end. It’s like instinctively, they know that she’s not to be trusted. That Fiona is the one who has really been there.
I love that when Fiona says the line "You are my mother too!" its very hard to discern whether she states "you are..." or "you were..." and I think that's just amazing! Its either Fiona recognizing that Monica is not her mother anymore or Fiona emphasizing that she is not meant to be in this role since Monica is also her mother
love this scene so much
It sounds to me like she said "you WERE my mother too" like its past tense. I can't imagine being early 20's and having to take care of 5 kids, go to work, pay all the bills and not lose my sanity! xxx
Monica is proof that love isn't enough when it comes to family and parenting
Much better than the original shitty UK version... LMAO!!!
Omg are you kidding me? This fucking sucks ass. The uk version actually has good acting, this is shit. Im crying of laughter this is so bad.
***** Really? I don't think so. Uk version sucks and the acting too it's so much fake.
***** Sure, the US version is preferred the world over. The UK version only did well in, well, the UK.
enjoy what u like stop comparing both are good even though the us version is better :p
Haha so tru
The look on Monica's face when Fiona says "you were MY mother too!" makes me so mad, that look like "you're the oldest, it's your job to look after your siblings" look after, not raise. Not everyone is meant to be a parent, Monica and Frank are fantastic examples of that.
Good god, watching Season Five now, I forgot how little Emma and Ethan used to be. Even Cameron looks young here.
The follow up to this scene was in the season 7 finale. Powerful stuff.
How did Emmy not get an Emmy for this? It’s literally in her name.
"And Carl made something blow up for his science fair" 😂
Not surprised 🤣🤣🤣
The saddest thing I always noticed when I first watched the series was how it shows Debbie and Carl slowly start not believing their parents anymore. When they were little they were so inclined to forgive and have their mommy again, but as they grow older they start to realize the truth of how unreliable she really is.
"Shut up, Frank"
I haven't seen this show but by looking it up some scenes from the show it looks like a really good show but damn this really hit me. Emmy's performance was here was just wow...excellent performance I almost cried especially when she said "you we're my mother too."
Fiona’s acting is insane in this scene..
0:59-1:16 .... Damn! 😭
"You're my mother too!"
Damn I feel the pain of the little girl inside of her begging to be loved by her mom. Mothers & their 1st born daughter's are a lesson in honoring & loving with no rules or expectations.
This is one of the rare British shows that America got right and actually made it a millions times better in many ways.
Monica was annoying. She always tried to get back because of her cute mom/brat attitude. Really she owed her family so much.
I loved the UK version of Skins (season 1 and 2).
I loved the UK version of Being Human.
I hated the US version of both shows.
But...the opposite happened with Shameless. I ended up loving the US version of the show BETTER than the original. I thought the acting was better and the actors were a lot more charismatic. I actually cared about what happened to all the Gallaghers this time around. It was pretty cool!
Same here - first time I prefer an American remake^^ Although I loved James McAvoy as Steve/Jimmy in the UK version (I can't stand the American actor, just because he isn't James McAvoy I think^^) but all in all I really prefer the US version!
***** i also have to agree on both accounts, justin chatwin is probably the weakest actor in the american lineup. But the american show is far superior.
Justin Chatwin is Canadian.
musicaltheatergeek79 the show is american
Fiona: "THIS ISNT ABOUT YOU FRANK"
Frank: *sits down*
Best scene out of the entire series, the second best is when Fiona yelled at that trust fund baby girl who gave her laundry mat a bad review. Emmy MADE this show.
Looking at Debbie and I'm sitting here think "Back when Debbie was a good girl and didn't have a child"
0:49 You can tell Ian is her favorite, since day 1
the way that Fiona and her mom look at each other after Fiona said "you were my mother too" is so familiar to me , I've looked at my mother the same way. such a great display of emotions on her face
It bothers me how Monica never seems to even bother to make it up with Fionna , it seems mostly like all the other kids but never really Fionna
That's so true and that says a lot about how she sees her children. She wants the ones that aren't as jaded by how much she hurt them... She doesn't care about Fiona at all, she doesn't even acknowledge what she did to her, much less the other children ("I'm sorry IF I Hurt you"). This scene always stood out to me in the early seasons and honestly it's no doubt the Gallagher kids were so fucked up. Fiona did the best she could as a previously abused and neglected child and inevitably fucked up adult.
Because fiona is too old to buy into all of her lies anymore. Monica doesn't care about her children, she just likes to play mom.
“SHUT UP FRANK” *sits his ass down quietly*
"you were my mother too!" I think some forget Fionna raised her siblings by herself. She needed someone to help her with her emotions, her period, growing up, feeling loved. She needed a mother. But she was abandoned before any of them.
The first four seasons were elite rly miss the depth this show had but still thankful there were many episodes after for us to watch this family grow
Ian's face when she says she's done... I couldn't help but laugh a little
Did anyone else heard Liam say :"I don't , I DON'T KNOW"
liam, "I DONT, I DONT KNOW!!"
I love how this all took place at Sheila's house. The Gallagher's lives are basically her soap opera
i always felt like monica loved ian the most. when fiona says "ian was promoted in rotc" and monica sobbed/her face change, showed me that it moved her the most hearing about ian. idk i always just got those vibes!
I guess it's because both of them are bipolar. They both can relate to their condition.
This was a pivotal scene in the series. Hard to watch...
What i hate about this scene is how those kids, her siblings just watched and the youngests even hug the mother ( i get that they are young and naive). They should step up for her just like what she did to all of them. If i were her sibling, i’ll slap the mother in the face and leave with her
that's fair, but they're also children that have always craved the love and attention from their parents. they do get love and attention from their older siblings, especially fiona, but she's just that - a sibling. a sibling's love or even a significant other's love is different than the love of a parent. it makes sense that they'd naively hope that monica would actually be serious this time 😔
@@starsalignedits i know thats why i said i get that they are young and naive but still won’t make it any better. And anw monica dead and the oldests were happy about that
no background music made it so much more dramatic.
this made me cry, cause i felt her. You can see the expression on ian and lip's faces that they don't really want to stay with their mother
you know at first I really liked the show but after fiona fucked up one time everyone started hating on her she put her life on the back burner just so she can keep her family out of foster care and they treated her like shit when she fucked up a few times
Emmy Rossum NEVER got nominated for an Emmy? That's SHAMELESS! WTF
mickeymouse2able That's shameful*
You want her nominated for an Emmy over one scene? Wow
@@mosesmartinez14 yes
I can u understand and will admit fiona did some fucked up shit. However i want to clarify to many who dont realize she basically became their mother their parental guardian when she herself was only a child, she raised them when she was a child and it wasnt until her final moments on the show that she realized she needs to move on and become an adult, she needed to get away from the family in order to essentially grow up. They all relied on fiona, when she could barely care for herself. It wasnt fair to them and especially not to her.
I haven't seen this show but this is fantastic dialogue writing. Fiona doesn't just praise her siblings, she reveals raising her siblings was her only accomplishment. It's why she said "I did a great job" and proceeded to express that. Her mother is very detached from her kids lives given she tells Fiona "I appreciate that, but I'm here now" as if Fiona was a paid nanny all these years and not her daughter.
"You were my mother too" isn't just about expressing heartbreak. Fiona is giving her mom a chance here to be her mother now. She's telling her she needed her and even as a capable adult she'd still want her mom in her life, but her mom is too selfish to get there. She is unwilling to face hardships she caused with her own actions and choices by being there for her older children. This is shown when she approaches her youngest children. We see her two older boys in frame suddenly realize their mom didn't come for them. She didn't come back to be a mom. She came back to soothe her wounds.
Having lived with addicts in my life, I imagine the mother is a "recovered" addict of some kind. I wager she relapsed sometime after this scene. She's not taking accountability so she hasn't fully recovered.
Something important about addicts is you have to give the people in your life the chance to reject you. Not only for their sake but for your own. You have to own up to what you did but sometimes the relationship is over. That's okay. You can still grow and take your journey without them. You can still become a better person even if your old relationships are over. You have to be the one to ground yourself and hold yourself accountable, not put that on other people.
There's a huge difference between shame and guilt.
Shame is "I am wrong" and you can't live with shame. It breeds insecurities and causes you to harbor resentment toward yourself, make you feel less than, can lead to things like depression. It can cause narcissistic behavior bc narcissism is rooted in insecurity. You put on a performance to compensate for how you feel inside and it hurts those around you and yourself. Shame is an absence of inner peace and you become inconsolable until you can reconcile the shame within yourself. Shame is still rooted in ideology of pride. Just like hate is not the opposite of love, rather apathy is the opposite of love, shame and pride both boil down to selfishness and entitlement. Both are rooted in ideas of "I can never be better than this, this is how I am and people will have to deal with it or they dont love me enough, there's nothing I can do, I have no other choices" and whether or not you pretend to have confidence or ego with it, they are still both thoughts that apply to shame and pride. It's about you first, you at the center of everything, and everyone has to get on board or get out of the way.
The above is addict psychology. Substance abuse is a symptom of being an addict, but you don't have to be a substance abuser to have addict personality traits.
The best way to neutralize pride and shame is to be humble and grateful. Learn to appreciate what you have, understand you can't choose your feelings but you can choose your response to them, learn to take accountability for the result of your choices and own up to things even if they are an accident, and understand that no one can ever expect you to be perfect so you are allowed to be messy just also allow yourself to own up to being messy when you do make mistakes. That's how you grow and foster healthy relationships.
This is not the same as having guilt. You can live with guilt and you should. Guilt is "I did something wrong" and that's okay. It acknowledges your role in the outcome of something and that in itself is empowering. You now know how to do things better and can make better choices and share that with others. You have control over how much of a victim you feel like now. Guilt that becomes consuming targets your identity and becomes shame, it's no longer about an action or choice but about who you are as a person and delves into hopelessness. But you're not hopeless. It's okay to have messed up and even messed up beyond repair. You have to understand sometimes apologies aren't enough and you cant fix everything. That's okay.
In this scene, Fiona wants her mother to acknowledge what she did and didn't do. She's actually giving her mother a chance to learn to live with her guilt. Because guilt can be soothed but it never goes away completely. Trying to bury it turns into shame, turns into something we feel we have to hide from others lest we be seen as lesser than. But we all make bad choices. It's okay to own them and we should. It wont make things go back to how they were with Fiona and her mom, but this can give them a chance to move forward, to heal, and to decide if they want to navigate a new relationship with each other.
Instead, her mother chooses shame by refusing to admit she was wrong and refusing to acknowledge the pain she inflicted on Fiona specifically. That's why Fiona walks out.
I get the impression Fiona is an addict as well by how she turns her siblings against her mother at the end there. Cycles are hard to break, but that choice will ultimately be Fiona's as well to be better than how her mom raised her or rather didn't raise her to be.
Couldn't say it any better. I feel your comment deserves an award.
YOU WERE MY MOTHER TOO!!! bro that hurt so much 😢😢😢
This show deserved more Emmys than it got. Joan Cusack and William Macy have both won Emmys from the show but all the other actors deserve it too especially Emmy Rossum!
It's one thing to apologize and change as a person, but that doesnt mean people have to forgive you just because your related and that doesnt mean you have the right to do what she did. Unfortunately a lot of parents are too afraid to face that fact and they'll try to force kids to love them or put up with them out of selfishness of not being able to let go, and in most cases they arent changed and will end up still traumatizing the remainder of their childhood.
this scene was made so well great actors for sure.... you can feel the memories that it realy holds and touching in the heart for some of us who grew up in the same atmosphere with those kinds of parents
SHUT UP FRANK she made us feel the strength behind those words and every other word she said in this scene
THAT RIGHT THERE IS SOME ACTING BOYS AND GIRLS...PROPS TO EMMY ROSSUM
Frank loved Monica in spite of her many flaws and would defend her to the death. But the fact he sat down when Fiona told him to shut up shows the respect he has for her and that he actually knows she's right too.
I hated Monica so much. So selfish
I was expecting the “SHE WAS NEVER FCKNG HERE!! I was NINE. I was in fourth grade, dragging your ahh passed out in from the yard so you wouldn’t freeze to death” etc.. part