Right? This is something that the Child who is doing the Parenting doesn't often think about because they're so distracted by everyone else's needs. We should ONLY have judges like that on the bench. These are the kind of men and women we should all aspire to be, intellectually and morally.
Throughout Fiona's life she had to shoulder all the shit and we see her cracking and break under the pressure and responsibility. This judge was legit one of the very few people who asked her what she wanted out of her life.
The judge shows thoughtfulness, compassion,....my uncle was a Brooklyn judge, his fair, honest and compassion was what he stood for..proud to be in our family 🫂🫂🫂🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🌹🌹🌹
@@megatronskneecap We all know its cause Fiona felt like she'd be ditching her siblings, aka, acting just like Frank and Monica. She felt too guilty about even thinking of leaving them back then.
@@robertoquintero5200literally. Seeing Debbie and lip be so ungrateful to her pisses me off. It was so satisfying when Fiona left at the end of the series..As much as I wish she took Liam with her... The point of her leaving was for her to finally start taking care of herself and to go and find what she wants to do in life.
That’s the difference, in the UK version, Fiona left and Steve told her the Gallagher siblings were more than capable to look after themselves, but Fiona did have their support in leaving for a better life
Fiona, while she wasn’t perfect, tried her hardest to take care of her siblings. She fought for them hard. Then when she fell apart, aside from Carl and some of Ian, they turned on her. It was sad how they did her.
It’s not uncommon- most siblings turn on the older sibling that took care of them. It’s best to just walk away honestly - they are never grateful or loyal.
@@TimTheEnchanter0that's the biggest lie that I don't expect much else if you're American, I have seen otherwise, I say Americans because to the rest of the world Americans are seen as the most selfish people especially American children are seen to be brats and that's sad that the rest of the world sees that I have seen better I have seen it when I was growing up and was bedridden the older sibling taking care of her little sister and then another one that I knew of where the parents were the mother was a single mother because the father was never around and she was barely getting by in fact at one point she really could not manage and it was the other kids who got together the two oldest who got together and he came to the parents for the rest and it wasn't easy on them but they managed I was a 7 year old kid watching this from the outside looking in, when I was 12 they moved away. My parents did get letters from them, because my dad was kind of like their spiritual advisor and kind of like a social worker even though they weren't of our religion they looked at him like he was there preacher Man, I'm on my dad's degrees with a degree in social work so he was their social worker and help them get the things that they needed so that they could manage, going so far as to write to somebody he knew where they were moving to to get in contact with the social services there to help them out. The youngest kid we heard was going to college by that time I was already in my second or third of college by that time, my dad had found out that the two old siblings each had something they wanted to do and he got from the sponsors in the states what's the help of the social worker and he's contacts so that they could do the things they had wanted to do when the kids were in high school the younger ones. Their mother did fine she eventually remarried when they were ( the younger ones) where in highschool... It only works out because my dad knew that they weren't going to give up without a fight so to speak and he knew what it was like to grow up really fast because he was a survivor of World War II be his own parent as a young child. But it isn't the world we live in today at least it's not the America that I knew 35+ years ago. So maybe you're right maybe that's the way things are now and therefore why not just walk away you know what you're probably right the world is coming to crap let's just make it more crap. Me if there were going to be a comment that comes down and destroys the world I probably have a party because it would mean the end to the darkness.
The judge saying "now hold on, wait a minute..." showed you he was a man of character. It wasn't just about the other kids to him, it was about ALL of the kids, Fiona included.
Sad part is that while the judge was telling Fiona the truth about raising the kids, she doesn't really have a choice. It's eithet leave them to Frank to ruin or she tries to gove them some normalcy.
Nope, the judge was being incredible. He was showing more than just love, that is dedication of spirit to somebody. He was being a hero in that girls life by telling her there was a choice. In all honesty, she should have chosen to leave them to Frank.
@@HoodLilKrillinno. Frank was no parent to them. Look at his reaction to what the judge said at the end. He was only really concerned about himself. He never would be put the kids first. Fiona wasn’t perfect, but she was a far better choice than Frank to raise her kids in the end
Actually, the judge should have decided to put them into foster homes. Frank is horrible yes. But Fiona does a lousy job as well... They all grow up to be criminals.
2:54 the judge asking Fiona "what's in YOUR best interest" hit me hard as fck. This is sooooo sad that nobody has EVER asked her this in her entire. life.
The fact that the writer's decimated this family genuinely breaks my heart. The way half the kids end up resenting or hating Fiona, how she ends up abandoning them too, this version of them would NEVER.
@@alexd4310it’s more complicated then that. She basically falls to the pressure of trying her best by all of them and being nothing like her dad but taking care of all them leaves her no room for taking care of herself
It's realistic I guess at some point the older sibling has enough of being relied upon for every little thing, my sister is basically Fiona and in the last few years she's semi dropped out of communication with me and the family (they're all dysfunctional narcissists and I have BPD) she doesn't get involved in family shit anymore and doesn't do odd job favours anymore it gets to a point where they need to think about what's right for themselves and their lives
@Babbling_Wizard in all honesty she was the final sacrifice to give her siblings a chance at a normal life. Shouldering all the insanity that she became insane herself but that was the only way to make sure the rest of them had to shoulder less.
In a lot of states, rules and laws can get dicey where that's not enough. The kids sometimes have to be in literal life or death situations before the state even considers stepping in.
@@hirahiro2331 No he just doesn't care about me. We haven't been close in over 16 years. All i have now is my dad and once he's gone I know I'll be on my own.
My sister has been mom my entire life she raised me and her daughter as siblings.is it normal no, but that's the cards that got dealt.our egg and sperms do or's were pieces of shit.so my sister from the time she was 7 raised me until I joined the army, I wouldn't be where iam without her.
That judge should’ve also awarded child support, even if he got to retain his rights as a father. She is their guardian, and he should be financially responsible with a court order to get a job and support them.
Frank doesn't have a pot to piss in though lol he gets a meager amount of benefits and is homeless you can't get blood out of a stone I guess but yeah I agree that fucking selfish alky should have chipped in towards raising his own kids when he was successful in his lawsuits and that
I loved that judge! There was no perfect fix for their situation, but I loved that he gave Fiona another perspective to think about. Even though it meant putting herself and wants first, he thought enough of what the situation could look like for her down the road and brought it to her attention so she wouldn't have to look back (regardless of her decision) and ask, "Why did didn't anyone tell me?".
When she says yes it just hits different knowing she listened to just how hard it’s going to be. She not be perfect but she’s a saint in her own right. Excellent character depth.
And then a few years later when Fiona has her world fall apart and hits her lowest point, these ungrateful little bastards give her the boot! Over something that really wasnt her fault.
@sethmiles9436 nah that was years before. They kicked because she fell into alcoholism and depression, then offered a dude a drink l, not knowing he was in AA with Lip!
@@Sugenieei think they were also trying to find a way to write her off because actress was leaving the show. Apparently she wasnt great behind the scenes
I really feel like this scene captured the burden of caregivers. The "What's in your best interest?" line hits hard when you're a caregiver. You never get the opportunity to consider what's best for you (and even if you do, it's usually not compatible with being a caregiver so you have no choice but to dismiss it).
This scene was one of the most powerful ones it really showed how Fiona has really been taking care of everyone from such a young age no child should ever be put in a position like that
As someone who can relate to Fiona a lot, my younger siblings would come first. If the parents can't provide, as their older sister I would 100% step up and take care of them. Even with the youngest being 8, my husband and I absolutely adore my siblings and would move heaven and earth for them.
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It literally is. Neglect is a form of abuse and neglect is often a component of other forms of abuse. A physically abusive parent is often going to be emotionally neglectful. Also you can neglect a child to death. It's abuse!
@@c0mpatcations the law sees it as a lesser form of abuse though unfortunately and is usually not enforced even when they can unless a child dies first.
its kind of crazy that frank then turns around and gives in as soon as he finds out Fiona would have most of the responsibility. That alone should've made the judge reconsider letting him keep custody at all
I would love to see Fiona's life after she left the show. Moments when her siblings would track her down just to talk about stuff. Her finally finding a good man that loves her and her biggest worry is being sunburn after napping by the ocean. It could just be one little episode but it would be so healing to see.
This is one of the many reasons I dislike Frank and Monica (but mostly Frank since he is there all the time and he is the reason why Fiona had to make this choice). He had all these kids and left the responsibility of raising kids on the shoulders of a child who too didnt know how to raise Kids. And while Fiona did mess up, I dont blame her for taking the kids. It was either this or send them back to those orphan/foster homes, and if I was in Fiona shoes, after what I saw what happened to Debbie, no way.
Debbie was in a foster home that made the kids make fake jewelry and would starve them if they didn't do anything. Sort of like a sweat shop. Debbie had to escape, just to bring food back to all the other foster kids that were being starved
This judge has been a father to her more than his REAL father did in his LIFETIME. And I can tell that even if I DID NOT WATCH the show yet. Any responsible man who wants to adopt a kid would adopt Fiona. She deserves a parent who can make her feel that HER WORTH is not limited to these Charity cases. Why does she need to step up as a sister to be their mother? That was cruel.
I dated a girl who same case she the big sister had to be a mom to 2 sisters and 1 brother. she was working and going to school how she did everything was a miracle to me. She broke up with me for reasons i don't know just we're over goodbye never spoke again..... did her extended family not approve of me? or she was sparing me any grief of what she was dealing with?....years later I still don't know just another of life's secrets.
Her story of being left on the side of the road at 6, with 2 babies- it was one of the saddest parts of this show. Fiona effed up later. She kinda deserved that moment. Look at what she accomplished, and the responsibility she was left with. Her life was never fair. And eff Jimmy/Steve.
This speech he's giving and choice he told her she was making are why people are justifiably pissed at Fiona for how she behaved later. Yes, everyone who says "she did her best and she deserved to live her life", she _did_ choose to be responsible for them and put them first and then _didn't._
Debbie and Carl absolutely have a right to be hurt by Fiona after this, she was explicitly told "If you become their guardian, these kids are your LIFE until they're all 18." Carl and Debbie were both still high school aged when Fiona told them to put her at the bottom of their emergency call list, even below their next door neighbors. She knew that she needed to be there for them and then resented them for needing her to be there for them.
2:20 … this judge is a great guy buuuut no. Neglect is the most common form of abuse that parents do and even then what Frank normally does is not just neglect that’s Depraved Indifference of human life.
But it does also show the reality of law and injustice. Neglect is a form of abuse but according to law it’s not abusive enough to be seen as illegal or harmful enough for legal punishment and it’s horrible that the world is like that.
I always hated when the other kids treated Fiona like shit, she was the very reason that they are still alive. I was finally happy to see someone asking Fiona what she wants.
This is the hardest series for me to watch. I, Thank the God, grew up in a stable and loving family. I have zero idea on how hard it is to grow up in the family that this series is showing. However, I know there are families like that and that is what breaks my heart.
I know it is mostly due to William H mcys amazing acting but in this episode when he pleads to the judge not to take his kids I actually felt sorry for him and believed him which just shows how masterful of a manipulator he is.
Its crazy how i got from clips that put Fiona in a bad spotlight, where she gets kicked out the house, the drug incident with Liam. But then I run into clips like this and i can see why things spiral out of control. Everyone is at fault someway or another. (Haven't watched the show, now i am)
Scenes like this make her exit seem very weird. She moves away in season 9 when Liam is like 9 or 10 years old, and we never hear from her again. She abandons him after becoming his guardian, but is never brought up.
I think people mostly forget that fiona was a child who raised herself, and honestly she did the best with what she had, and honestly considering how much shit from frank and monica, constantly stealing the money she made to feed her siblings, she did a pretty good job. And honestly if she had set them all to a foster home, none of them would have turned out the way they did (which was somewhat decent), theirs a point in the series, that you just can’t discipline teens who dont want to listen to their sister. It would have been good for her to take liam but honestly by the time she left, all of them were adults any of them could take care of one child, she took care of 4-5 on her own.
@ any of his older siblings, Lip was the oldest, and with a child of his own. She took care of 5 children, those 5 adults can take care of him, without working as hard as she did. She left debbi a sum of money (which was kind of stupid) but enough to maintain the house, carl owned the house. And they all had jobs, she payed the mortgage, bills, food, school, all while working very low paying jobs. They definitely can take care of one child whos not even rebellious and a good kid (his older siblings were all assholes to fiona).
A couple of seasons later she told the kids to contact lip and not her because she has a chance to do something with her life- Carl and Debbie were still minors and Fiona was in the wrong
I mean Frank was happier in life than most of us so many not you're a slave and aren't happy you spend year after year at work miserable until the one day a year you have free time then act like it somehow makes it magically all worth it because you're too proud to admit otherwise you have to base your entire personality around what you buy and own because you're a husk frank is a complete POS and a waste of life but he is free he had fun and he was happy
What a deeply flawed, hurt, strong, intelligent and beautiful woman Fiona is. A woman worthy of respect. I'm sure Beth Dutton would agree. Same, but different.
This is not actually the way it would happen. She is far too young she is unmarried and she is not in a stabilized employment. The children would absolutely be remanded to a respite foster care while the father was in AA. But the sister would probably get guardianship or consultation rights and be visiting them on a regular basis. Source: I used to be a foster parent.
Watching this the first time: Fiona did the right thing wanting to protect her siblings from Frank and foster care at the cost of having her own life. Rewatching this after season 9: Fiona made a huge mistake sacrificing her life for those selfish, cruel, destructive, unappreciative brats and should’ve listened to this wise, caring and sensible judge!
Man i know how she feels I am raising my two sons N raising my father N mother to My parents Try to get along But dont .😢😢😢 I have lived this same same life N so many have N I think thats why this show Is so important to show the world. Every one isnt born with a sliver spoon
Nothing worse than a man claiming to love a woman seeing her doing everything she could. Keeping her life secondary. And then abandon her. People like Steve are far worse than frank.
Your honor. Could you give me a list of other judges or ANY state officials, that people need to consult, and gain authorization from, before they start having children.
The only thing Frank knows is where to find his next beer, he's a worthless "dad" that doesn't have any rights to those kids and he doesn't care about them at all
I still can’t get over the fact she left Liam she should have taken him with her as his guardian but instead to left him even if he didn’t want to go with her she was his guardian she should have taken him she left him behind idk I give Fiona grace bc she went through a lot but ughh her leaving Liam always bugged me she promised to take care of Liam till he was 18 and broke tht promise I don’t like tht
Feel worst for the husband. Raising her siblings is his life for sixteen more years too before he has any freedom to pursue himself. Fiona's all he gets out of it.
@@jessicaw6930 ah, sorry ive only seen clips. i thought she mentioned in a prior one that she married someone and thought this might be him. This also looks like a scene very late into the show. Thanks for the corrections.
@karinalumen9722 nah,your lying narrative just proves your own lack of critical thinking and the only thing hateful here is in you, against trying to tell the truth.
In all fairness can you imagine how depressing that would be to have a judge tell you that you'd have to raise one of your brothers for 16 years when Fiona was what 21 here? 22? That would mean she'd be 43 by the time Liam grew up and she'd have had no freedom or time to enjoy her youth, your 20s and your 30s are the best years of your life you never get them back 😭, he made it sound like a prison sentence but in a way it sort of is lol. I don't get how in the later seasons Fiona was legally able to leave the kids when Liam was still a minor but I guess that'd mean that Debbie would take over as guardian for him or Lip? The writing went off track i guess
Was she the only adult in tje room? No? Then SHE didn't, they ALL did. It's not just her fault. Should she get some of the blame, sure...but not all of it, and fuck, I'd do drugs too if that was my life.
I instantly gained respect for the judge when he asked " whats in your best interest? "
Right? This is something that the Child who is doing the Parenting doesn't often think about because they're so distracted by everyone else's needs. We should ONLY have judges like that on the bench. These are the kind of men and women we should all aspire to be, intellectually and morally.
Throughout Fiona's life she had to shoulder all the shit and we see her cracking and break under the pressure and responsibility. This judge was legit one of the very few people who asked her what she wanted out of her life.
The judge shows thoughtfulness, compassion,....my uncle was a Brooklyn judge, his fair, honest and compassion was what he stood for..proud to be in our family 🫂🫂🫂🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🌹🌹🌹
i thhink that's the first time she was ever asked that
"I wouldn't want that for my daughter." Said the judge.
What’s in your best interest - the judge asking that is the first time anybody asked Fiona about HER.
Veronica was always trying to push her out of the house clubbing and even said go with Steve/Jimmy to Costa Rica but she just refused.
@@megatronskneecap We all know its cause Fiona felt like she'd be ditching her siblings, aka, acting just like Frank and Monica. She felt too guilty about even thinking of leaving them back then.
@@xiamariansupreme72this is the Fiona that I love, I wish My sister would be like her...
@@robertoquintero5200literally. Seeing Debbie and lip be so ungrateful to her pisses me off. It was so satisfying when Fiona left at the end of the series..As much as I wish she took Liam with her... The point of her leaving was for her to finally start taking care of herself and to go and find what she wants to do in life.
That’s the difference, in the UK version, Fiona left and Steve told her the Gallagher siblings were more than capable to look after themselves, but Fiona did have their support in leaving for a better life
Fiona, while she wasn’t perfect, tried her hardest to take care of her siblings. She fought for them hard. Then when she fell apart, aside from Carl and some of Ian, they turned on her. It was sad how they did her.
shows that go on too long at some point all the characters suck
Plus they had to come with something that sucks so she could leave I suppose.
It’s not uncommon- most siblings turn on the older sibling that took care of them. It’s best to just walk away honestly - they are never grateful or loyal.
@@TimTheEnchanter0that's the biggest lie that I don't expect much else if you're American, I have seen otherwise, I say Americans because to the rest of the world Americans are seen as the most selfish people especially American children are seen to be brats and that's sad that the rest of the world sees that I have seen better I have seen it when I was growing up and was bedridden the older sibling taking care of her little sister and then another one that I knew of where the parents were the mother was a single mother because the father was never around and she was barely getting by in fact at one point she really could not manage and it was the other kids who got together the two oldest who got together and he came to the parents for the rest and it wasn't easy on them but they managed I was a 7 year old kid watching this from the outside looking in, when I was 12 they moved away. My parents did get letters from them, because my dad was kind of like their spiritual advisor and kind of like a social worker even though they weren't of our religion they looked at him like he was there preacher Man, I'm on my dad's degrees with a degree in social work so he was their social worker and help them get the things that they needed so that they could manage, going so far as to write to somebody he knew where they were moving to to get in contact with the social services there to help them out. The youngest kid we heard was going to college by that time I was already in my second or third of college by that time, my dad had found out that the two old siblings each had something they wanted to do and he got from the sponsors in the states what's the help of the social worker and he's contacts so that they could do the things they had wanted to do when the kids were in high school the younger ones. Their mother did fine she eventually remarried when they were ( the younger ones) where in highschool... It only works out because my dad knew that they weren't going to give up without a fight so to speak and he knew what it was like to grow up really fast because he was a survivor of World War II be his own parent as a young child. But it isn't the world we live in today at least it's not the America that I knew 35+ years ago. So maybe you're right maybe that's the way things are now and therefore why not just walk away you know what you're probably right the world is coming to crap let's just make it more crap. Me if there were going to be a comment that comes down and destroys the world I probably have a party because it would mean the end to the darkness.
@@safiremorningstar Are you ok?
The judge saying "now hold on, wait a minute..." showed you he was a man of character. It wasn't just about the other kids to him, it was about ALL of the kids, Fiona included.
Sad part is that while the judge was telling Fiona the truth about raising the kids, she doesn't really have a choice. It's eithet leave them to Frank to ruin or she tries to gove them some normalcy.
Then she goes and ruins their lives mire than frank 😬
Nope, the judge was being incredible. He was showing more than just love, that is dedication of spirit to somebody. He was being a hero in that girls life by telling her there was a choice. In all honesty, she should have chosen to leave them to Frank.
@@HoodLilKrillinno. Frank was no parent to them. Look at his reaction to what the judge said at the end. He was only really concerned about himself.
He never would be put the kids first. Fiona wasn’t perfect, but she was a far better choice than Frank to raise her kids in the end
@@MsTinkerbelle87 Did she
Actually, the judge should have decided to put them into foster homes. Frank is horrible yes. But Fiona does a lousy job as well... They all grow up to be criminals.
2:54 the judge asking Fiona "what's in YOUR best interest" hit me hard as fck.
This is sooooo sad that nobody has EVER asked her this in her entire. life.
The fact that the writer's decimated this family genuinely breaks my heart. The way half the kids end up resenting or hating Fiona, how she ends up abandoning them too, this version of them would NEVER.
Abandoning..?? What?
I smell crappy rushed ending
@@alexd4310it’s more complicated then that. She basically falls to the pressure of trying her best by all of them and being nothing like her dad but taking care of all them leaves her no room for taking care of herself
It's realistic I guess at some point the older sibling has enough of being relied upon for every little thing, my sister is basically Fiona and in the last few years she's semi dropped out of communication with me and the family (they're all dysfunctional narcissists and I have BPD) she doesn't get involved in family shit anymore and doesn't do odd job favours anymore it gets to a point where they need to think about what's right for themselves and their lives
@@alexd4310more so the actress left so they had to write her off
It makes me sad how she fought for them and they all turned their backs on her so quickly when she was down.
Agreed
They did tried to get her back on her feet but she was turning into frank (beyond repair)
Debbie and Lip were the worst. At least, Carl (and I guess Ian) was more forgiving.
@Babbling_Wizard in all honesty she was the final sacrifice to give her siblings a chance at a normal life. Shouldering all the insanity that she became insane herself but that was the only way to make sure the rest of them had to shoulder less.
@@roveaalcart7479 true! She did her best to give them what she never had. They all deserved better and her too, her parents failed her and them.
"I'd still be their parent but Fiona would have all the responsibility? Done." That should tell you right there where his priorities are.
But neglect IS a form of abuse. Most common form, actually
In a lot of states, rules and laws can get dicey where that's not enough. The kids sometimes have to be in literal life or death situations before the state even considers stepping in.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl That’s so sad.
Yes,it is.
Especially when they say 'just let that one grow.'
And then she leaves the show and they suddenly all forget who is their legal guardian. It was so stupid.
That irritated the shit out of me when Liam was asking and no one knew. Like it was this whole big traumatic thing and you just forgot??😂
Judge even points out that Liam is only 2 during all this and that she would be responsible for him until he turned 18.
@@hellivioze3648 at least, he would be the only One Who is healthy
Agreed that made 0 sense
This is the reality for most oldest siblings. The eldest brother or sister becomes the bonus father or mother figure for the younger children
It becomes tiresome…
Not in my case. My older brother would never have my back.
@@kibauno damn did something happen? You don’t have to explain if you don’t wanna
@@hirahiro2331 No he just doesn't care about me. We haven't been close in over 16 years. All i have now is my dad and once he's gone I know I'll be on my own.
My sister has been mom my entire life she raised me and her daughter as siblings.is it normal no, but that's the cards that got dealt.our egg and sperms do or's were pieces of shit.so my sister from the time she was 7 raised me until I joined the army, I wouldn't be where iam without her.
That judge should’ve also awarded child support, even if he got to retain his rights as a father. She is their guardian, and he should be financially responsible with a court order to get a job and support them.
Frank doesn't have a pot to piss in though lol he gets a meager amount of benefits and is homeless you can't get blood out of a stone I guess but yeah I agree that fucking selfish alky should have chipped in towards raising his own kids when he was successful in his lawsuits and that
I loved that judge! There was no perfect fix for their situation, but I loved that he gave Fiona another perspective to think about. Even though it meant putting herself and wants first, he thought enough of what the situation could look like for her down the road and brought it to her attention so she wouldn't have to look back (regardless of her decision) and ask, "Why did didn't anyone tell me?".
When she says yes it just hits different knowing she listened to just how hard it’s going to be. She not be perfect but she’s a saint in her own right. Excellent character depth.
And then a few years later when Fiona has her world fall apart and hits her lowest point, these ungrateful little bastards give her the boot! Over something that really wasnt her fault.
I forgot, why they booted her?
Di...didn't they kick her out after leaving coke out?
@sethmiles9436 nah that was years before. They kicked because she fell into alcoholism and depression, then offered a dude a drink l, not knowing he was in AA with Lip!
To be fair, it was her fault
@@Sugenieei think they were also trying to find a way to write her off because actress was leaving the show. Apparently she wasnt great behind the scenes
I really feel like this scene captured the burden of caregivers. The "What's in your best interest?" line hits hard when you're a caregiver. You never get the opportunity to consider what's best for you (and even if you do, it's usually not compatible with being a caregiver so you have no choice but to dismiss it).
This scene was one of the most powerful ones it really showed how Fiona has really been taking care of everyone from such a young age no child should ever be put in a position like that
As someone who can relate to Fiona a lot, my younger siblings would come first. If the parents can't provide, as their older sister I would 100% step up and take care of them. Even with the youngest being 8, my husband and I absolutely adore my siblings and would move heaven and earth for them.
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hopefully, eveeybody thinks that and goes in with good intention. but then shit get real your mind might change like fionas
Same.
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She ends up doing EXACTLY what the judge says he's worried about 😂
The judge basically said she proved neglect but not abuse. IMO neglect is abuse.
It literally is. Neglect is a form of abuse and neglect is often a component of other forms of abuse. A physically abusive parent is often going to be emotionally neglectful. Also you can neglect a child to death. It's abuse!
@@c0mpatcations the law sees it as a lesser form of abuse though unfortunately and is usually not enforced even when they can unless a child dies first.
@@hazeldel13 The law is always behind on these kinds of things, unfortunately. The well-being of kids is a low priority unless it can be weaponized.
its kind of crazy that frank then turns around and gives in as soon as he finds out Fiona would have most of the responsibility. That alone should've made the judge reconsider letting him keep custody at all
Legally, it is not. Not saying I agree with it.
I would love to see Fiona's life after she left the show. Moments when her siblings would track her down just to talk about stuff. Her finally finding a good man that loves her and her biggest worry is being sunburn after napping by the ocean. It could just be one little episode but it would be so healing to see.
This is one of the many reasons I dislike Frank and Monica (but mostly Frank since he is there all the time and he is the reason why Fiona had to make this choice).
He had all these kids and left the responsibility of raising kids on the shoulders of a child who too didnt know how to raise Kids. And while Fiona did mess up, I dont blame her for taking the kids. It was either this or send them back to those orphan/foster homes, and if I was in Fiona shoes, after what I saw what happened to Debbie, no way.
I must have missed an episode or something, what happened to Debbie that you are referring to in your comment?
Yeah, What happened to Debbie?
Debbie was in a foster home that made the kids make fake jewelry and would starve them if they didn't do anything. Sort of like a sweat shop. Debbie had to escape, just to bring food back to all the other foster kids that were being starved
The Judge saw her as that 6yr old on the sidewalk when he asked her what was in HER best intrest
Whats in your best interests?
Theirs.
This judge has been a father to her more than his REAL father did in his LIFETIME. And I can tell that even if I DID NOT WATCH the show yet.
Any responsible man who wants to adopt a kid would adopt Fiona. She deserves a parent who can make her feel that HER WORTH is not limited to these Charity cases. Why does she need to step up as a sister to be their mother? That was cruel.
I dated a girl who same case she the big sister had to be a mom to 2 sisters and 1 brother. she was working and going to school how she did everything was a miracle to me. She broke up with me for reasons i don't know just we're over goodbye never spoke again..... did her extended family not approve of me? or she was sparing me any grief of what she was dealing with?....years later I still don't know just another of life's secrets.
@@willambonney she's a keeper, but you're not, that's why u didn't fought for her not to leave
Her story of being left on the side of the road at 6, with 2 babies- it was one of the saddest parts of this show. Fiona effed up later. She kinda deserved that moment. Look at what she accomplished, and the responsibility she was left with. Her life was never fair. And eff Jimmy/Steve.
This speech he's giving and choice he told her she was making are why people are justifiably pissed at Fiona for how she behaved later. Yes, everyone who says "she did her best and she deserved to live her life", she _did_ choose to be responsible for them and put them first and then _didn't._
Debbie and Carl absolutely have a right to be hurt by Fiona after this, she was explicitly told "If you become their guardian, these kids are your LIFE until they're all 18." Carl and Debbie were both still high school aged when Fiona told them to put her at the bottom of their emergency call list, even below their next door neighbors. She knew that she needed to be there for them and then resented them for needing her to be there for them.
'They are great kids and they deserve better"
They have always been ungrateful to her...
Emmy's performance is brilliant
I Love Watching The Show, Fiona Is A Brave, Strong Young Woman To Raise Her Sister And Brothers
2:20 … this judge is a great guy buuuut no. Neglect is the most common form of abuse that parents do and even then what Frank normally does is not just neglect that’s Depraved Indifference of human life.
But it does also show the reality of law and injustice. Neglect is a form of abuse but according to law it’s not abusive enough to be seen as illegal or harmful enough for legal punishment and it’s horrible that the world is like that.
Fiona was always the better guardian for her siblings thank Frank ever dreamed of
I think this scene will always be in my top 3 favorites.
For me, Fiona was one of the best characters on this show. I loved her selflessness. She always put "her children's" best interest first.
I always hated when the other kids treated Fiona like shit, she was the very reason that they are still alive. I was finally happy to see someone asking Fiona what she wants.
Sad how she tried and fought for them and later when she’s down they quickly turn on her 😢
How the hell is that level of neglect still not abuse lol
What arent all judges like this...they should be
I absolutely love the judge in this scene.
Jimmy-Steve reaction is perfectly understandible
It's crazy how she became what she hated later on.
That's whats happen when depression and trauma takes over
I have watched Shameless 3 times. And this is one of my favorite parts.
This is the hardest series for me to watch. I, Thank the God, grew up in a stable and loving family. I have zero idea on how hard it is to grow up in the family that this series is showing. However, I know there are families like that and that is what breaks my heart.
I can’t even watch the show anymore. It’s not the same without her
I’ve never watched this series, but have fallen in love with all the characters watching clips. Well, except Mickey’s dad. 😂
I know it is mostly due to William H mcys amazing acting but in this episode when he pleads to the judge not to take his kids I actually felt sorry for him and believed him which just shows how masterful of a manipulator he is.
Only time someone asked about her and it was too late, she had already lost so much time 🥺
Its crazy how i got from clips that put Fiona in a bad spotlight, where she gets kicked out the house, the drug incident with Liam. But then I run into clips like this and i can see why things spiral out of control. Everyone is at fault someway or another. (Haven't watched the show, now i am)
Y'all im beyond late but the way he looked at fiona walking them out into the back yard whewww that was when he knew he found the right one 😭🤍🤍🤍
No wonder they never call him Dad
They did in the earlier seasons but with time they just called him frank
This is when Frank officially lost the ability to call his kids "my kids"
But didnt she just leave though at almost at the end of the season. 😂😂
1:25 Luke Skywalker has seen better days.
Thats not mark hamill smh 🤣
its moments like these that make me mad at the kids when fiona has her downfalls because no one ever looks out for her
I had to search up google to find out that is not same actor that play Luke Skywalker.
Fiona should have not Done this she should have take a sec to think about her life
Judge is that dude from Collateral who talks jazz with Tom Cruise.
Went through all that to immediately neglect and abandon them. 💅
Scenes like this make her exit seem very weird. She moves away in season 9 when Liam is like 9 or 10 years old, and we never hear from her again. She abandons him after becoming his guardian, but is never brought up.
Nothing strange about it they killed off the actress happens all the time and the best way to deal with it is to not mention it
2:08 They're actually pretty much all terrors and just terrible children but hey, haha.
I think people mostly forget that fiona was a child who raised herself, and honestly she did the best with what she had, and honestly considering how much shit from frank and monica, constantly stealing the money she made to feed her siblings, she did a pretty good job. And honestly if she had set them all to a foster home, none of them would have turned out the way they did (which was somewhat decent), theirs a point in the series, that you just can’t discipline teens who dont want to listen to their sister.
It would have been good for her to take liam but honestly by the time she left, all of them were adults any of them could take care of one child, she took care of 4-5 on her own.
Liam was still a minor though who's job was it to look after him?
@ any of his older siblings, Lip was the oldest, and with a child of his own. She took care of 5 children, those 5 adults can take care of him, without working as hard as she did. She left debbi a sum of money (which was kind of stupid) but enough to maintain the house, carl owned the house. And they all had jobs, she payed the mortgage, bills, food, school, all while working very low paying jobs. They definitely can take care of one child whos not even rebellious and a good kid (his older siblings were all assholes to fiona).
I never understood Frank's desire to have custody of the kids.
It’s a sense of control. Since he’s an addict, attempting to keep the kids is his only method of control he feels he has left and
We watch this as a show but to think this happens in real life is heartbreaking bc not everyone has a fiona
I just gotta say this but I’m someone in the Chicagoland area and I’ve never heard anyone talk like Fiona 😂
A couple of seasons later she told the kids to contact lip and not her because she has a chance to do something with her life- Carl and Debbie were still minors and Fiona was in the wrong
Lol dying frank at the end of the series “don’t worry have fun I sure did” lol well I can see that’s some terrible advice.
I mean Frank was happier in life than most of us so many not you're a slave and aren't happy you spend year after year at work miserable until the one day a year you have free time then act like it somehow makes it magically all worth it because you're too proud to admit otherwise you have to base your entire personality around what you buy and own because you're a husk frank is a complete POS and a waste of life but he is free he had fun and he was happy
I feel so for them😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
2:20 That's the biggest load of bs I've ever heard
Hopefully when SHE needs help, everyone will step up and not treat her like dirt!
What a deeply flawed, hurt, strong, intelligent and beautiful woman Fiona is. A woman worthy of respect. I'm sure Beth Dutton would agree. Same, but different.
What saison and episode please
This is not actually the way it would happen. She is far too young she is unmarried and she is not in a stabilized employment. The children would absolutely be remanded to a respite foster care while the father was in AA. But the sister would probably get guardianship or consultation rights and be visiting them on a regular basis. Source: I used to be a foster parent.
Wrong I got my niece and nefu and I was just like Fiona
4:41 then they blew it 💔🙄
And you can't blame the kids for how they truned out, they just had really bad parents
Watching this the first time: Fiona did the right thing wanting to protect her siblings from Frank and foster care at the cost of having her own life.
Rewatching this after season 9: Fiona made a huge mistake sacrificing her life for those selfish, cruel, destructive, unappreciative brats and should’ve listened to this wise, caring and sensible judge!
they could never make me like you frank ♥
Good thing in the story liine that Fiona still had a home. Otherwise who would want to watch that T.V. series anymore to be entertained.
Man i know how she feels
I am raising my two sons
N raising my father
N mother to
My parents
Try to get along
But dont .😢😢😢
I have lived this same same life
N so many have
N I think thats why this show
Is so important to show the world.
Every one isnt born with a sliver spoon
Where is frank speech , that what i wrere searching for
Nothing worse than a man claiming to love a woman seeing her doing everything she could. Keeping her life secondary. And then abandon her. People like Steve are far worse than frank.
And she basically left her dependent little brother behind with her incompetent dirt bag dad a few years later, WHILE HE WAS STILL A MINOR.
wow i thought my childhood was bad.
same
My childhood was somewhat worse depending on what way you wanna look at it lol
4:00 💀
Whats the movie
Show Shameless
Okay but judges are not allowed to have sidebar conversations with parties
What movie or show is this?
It's called '' Shameless '' 😊
Didnt know this show is great. Till this video.
This moment really makes her leaving the show nonsensical- she was Liam/Carl/Debbie’s legal guardian at the time in the show that she takes off.
Liam was the only one underage, Carl and Debbie were both adults when she left.
Your honor.
Could you give me a list of other judges or ANY state officials, that people need to consult, and gain authorization from, before they start having children.
I totally forgot Goku was in the early seasons!
But Frank would know how to get the kids into a good school. Education is so important.
The only thing Frank knows is where to find his next beer, he's a worthless "dad" that doesn't have any rights to those kids and he doesn't care about them at all
@@BC92Se7en I'm sorry if you're not familiar with the reference.
Liam and Carl would've been great with the couple
I still can’t get over the fact she left Liam she should have taken him with her as his guardian but instead to left him even if he didn’t want to go with her she was his guardian she should have taken him she left him behind idk I give Fiona grace bc she went through a lot but ughh her leaving Liam always bugged me she promised to take care of Liam till he was 18 and broke tht promise I don’t like tht
frank went to college.
Feel worst for the husband. Raising her siblings is his life for sixteen more years too before he has any freedom to pursue himself. Fiona's all he gets out of it.
That was her boyfriend not her fiancé and definitely not her husband.
They definitely never married and they broke up because he is a con man that couldn't just be honest with her
@@jessicaw6930 ah, sorry ive only seen clips. i thought she mentioned in a prior one that she married someone and thought this might be him. This also looks like a scene very late into the show.
Thanks for the corrections.
@@Avenus112 she did get married just not to him :) although I would have loved if they could have worked it out
@karinalumen9722 nah,your lying narrative just proves your own lack of critical thinking and the only thing hateful here is in you, against trying to tell the truth.
In all fairness can you imagine how depressing that would be to have a judge tell you that you'd have to raise one of your brothers for 16 years when Fiona was what 21 here? 22? That would mean she'd be 43 by the time Liam grew up and she'd have had no freedom or time to enjoy her youth, your 20s and your 30s are the best years of your life you never get them back 😭, he made it sound like a prison sentence but in a way it sort of is lol. I don't get how in the later seasons Fiona was legally able to leave the kids when Liam was still a minor but I guess that'd mean that Debbie would take over as guardian for him or Lip? The writing went off track i guess
All THAT JUST TO DRUG HER BABY BROTHER 😵
The irony that almost immediately after this, Fiona leaves drugs within toddler Liam's reach.
Was she the only adult in tje room? No? Then SHE didn't, they ALL did. It's not just her fault. Should she get some of the blame, sure...but not all of it, and fuck, I'd do drugs too if that was my life.