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Prop Joe and Stringer had the same weakness, to greater and lesser degrees: Both are not as smart as they think they are. Both over estimated their own abilities, while under estimating everyone else. Both underestimated Avon and Marlo. Joe thought he could control Marlo and use him to bring down Avon without getting his own hands dirty. It didn't work out that way.
I think that's a pretty fair argument. They also both represent the "old school's" inability to understand the "new school", which you see in every generation gap. Joe specifically was still stuck in a world that was all but vanished, unfortunately.
Both were playing sly and doing underhanded tricks to get what they want. But Avon, Marlo, etc all survived because they were straight up. They didn't play games. They got arrested which is always going to happen but they didn't get taken out. Stringer was playing dirty tricks going behind Avon's which eventually come back and cost him big time. And Prop Joe, he was always underhanded and sly throughout the show.
I don't agree that the co-op would have lost credibility because of killing Marlo. All the members knew he was a problem and would place his own beefs over co-op aims for peaceful earning. They would get over it, that's exactly what happened when Cheese got killed
They thought Marlo and his crew were just dumb muscle. By the time they found out he wasn't, it was too late. Marlo simply took over by playing the fool so to speak. If they knew Marlo was as calculating as he was, they would have dealt with them. Marlo never showed that side of himself. Sometimes you have to play a sucka to catch a sucka.
@Cal Watch Why would they defer to Avon? String was a part of the co-op behind Avon's back. Avon wanted no part of the co-op. That's the dumbest take I've heard. Did you watch the show? lol!
this reminds me of people having bears or cougars as “pets” then people are up in arms about the bear or cougar devouring them…. “I don’t know what happened!!!”
As someone that grew up along psychos like Marlo, not the acting part, but actual cold blooded killers. You want to know what happens when someone like that dies? The block or hood celebrates. It's not like in the movies or shows where some guy is terrorizing a whole city, it's just mainly one guy that thinks he can control 2 or 3 blocks, shooting and killing kids that he played in the sand with.
That's deadass very true cool but in the meantime why IS there a celebration ? And the psycho more than half the time isn't taken out by the people he's taken out by his own psychos. Then come the party from the people. First come the jerkoffs in office that print our own money , tell us we broke as a country or there's a defic9t then give that to another country like we don't have ghettos .... ...... and then comes what the people themselves do to each other which ultimately supports their industry. I mean no shade sir but the celebration isn't cool.Bless.
This is EXACTLY how it is. Like their whole life consists of that one apt complex, that couple of blocks. They make make a lil money in those blocks but their lives don’t amount to anything. A good story. The “respect” and “honor” they claim they live by is an excuse to move how they do. Their principles change to best suit the present circumstance, and they don’t take real accountability for the damage they cause. It may LOOK good if you catch ‘em at the right moment but their lives are sad and they know it. Kinda pitiful when you think about it.
@@loronzoprice9899 You want to know what's really real. The Omar character is truer to the real hood celebrity, they are all gay at least Omar's character was out and about with it. In real life it's so hidden, it's men meeting up, leaving there wife or girlfriend after 12 am to smoke a blunt together. Then shot up the block or each other because they don't want there business to get out. Michaels character is the real truth as sad and fuck up as it is. That's why Chris character scene is so powerful that's the only time you actually see him lose control, strike that he wanted to do it.th-cam.com/video/okm4YbMAVv4/w-d-xo.html
The show definitely made Chris and Snoop out to be The Terminator or something. Every other gang has killers too. Just because they are the best muscle, doesn't mean everyone else has NO muscle. Hungry Man's people would have made war in the streets.
It's the way they did it that was unorthodox for the streets. Usually gangbangers are looking forward to get some rep from the hit but Chris & Snoop just made people disappear without any pompous story or word to go with it afterward. You have to remember that the people of Marlo's crew just stopped to see some of their fellow members on a weekly basis, simply hearing "he ain't working with us no more" when asking about them. I'm not sure the other crews had it better.
@@Xainfinen good point. If Omars rep got so blown out of proportion, and this is just one man sometimes with a partner or a small crew, you can just imagine the amount of fear someone like Marlo can generate with his body count. Sure in reality they can go after his crew, but better to play it safe and accept the losses than to try and take down what they perceived as a military like genius.
I’m pretty sure that: a) The co-op didn’t try to kill Marlo in the beginning because they needed his muscle to solve problems of their own (e.g. the New York dealers), as well as consolidate power on the west side, where they had no influence or marketshare following the death of Stringer and Avon’s imprisonment. This isn’t the colonization of South America we’re talking about. Killing Marlo would not have given the co-op control of Marlo’s muscle or his operation b) The co-op were not idealists, looking to make some kind of point about how much peachier the drug game is without violence. They were thuggish businessmen who were willing to acknowledge that they stood to make more money by refraining from constant war. But this doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have been willing to use violence as an expedient to solve certain problems (as they, in fact, *did* on several occasions) c) Prop Joe was not Avon’s “arch-rival.” They represented different markets (East Side vs West). There is not a single instance in the show where Avon expresses interest in conquering the East Side drug market. Even Marlo is not initially interested in this possibility, until his experience with Joe teaches him that it’s actually an achievable goal. To sum up: Marlo and Avon share the belief that the East Side are “a bunch of bitches,” and neither of them care much for it until Marlo is able to chart a path, through the Greeks, to total domination of both sides I hope this helps?
They knew taking Marlo out wouldn’t be enough. They would have to get him, snoop, and Chris which woulda been a tall task. And I think they feared him more than Avon bc Marlo had no code
Not true that's all they had to do was take out marlo if you hit the head then the rest fall in position you catch marlo alone what reason do chris & snoop have for retaliation at that point neither can run the show on their own chris & snoop either skip town with what they got or they offer their services to someone else honestly in the real world marlo doesn't make it as far as he did doin all that foul s*** the same way he said get on our package or tool up is the same way the co-OP coulda said you need to ease up or tool up against all of us matter of fact you don't even give a choice you just hit him
@@LeoSlimTV together I feel like no one is reading the title together your telling me every other organization had zero muscle zero none and no resources or connections to any????
@@LeoSlimTV not true they didn't have the muscle he had but they had some muscle you can't have NO muscle and survive in that game c'mon now like I said you hit marlo alone and it's over
But at the end of the day the one thing Marlo and Avon had in common was they both instilled fear into their community I honestly think Avon would have been an even bigger problem for the co op because he was more smart then Marlo and was always a half a step ahead
Co-op wanted nothing to do with Avon. After Barksdale went down in season one, stringer got a true taste of power and learning to work with Joe was more in the business direction he wanted to go into. Problem is they regurgitated a bunch of shit they pride themselves in learning to feel they were above the street shit. Undermining where their true wealth came from specially stringer. This mistake ultimately got them both killed. Avon only approved working with Joe out of necessity because his NY connect was taken down by the feds. Avon would have done the same thing Marlo did to the Eastside bitches. Shit he was the main key for Marlo to get access. Altogether the show is God dam masterpiece.
Marlo was very smart man. He lacked the wisdom to go along with his smarts, but he played prop Joe ass like a fiddle and you know how smart Joe was. And on top of that Marlo was much more ambitious than Avon because Marlo wanted what Avon already had… the crown. So I don’t think Avon would have been much more of a threat.
@@sunnohh Knowing that Cheese wasn't satisfied was a very important detail that he paid attention to, which he used to his advantage to topple Prop Joe...
@@KtotheG also seeing that michael was that one after he didnt accept that money was detailed,the girl avon tried to set him up with he was detailed on that as well
Marlo was a step away from getting popped. If McNulty hadnt stayed so focused on Avon, Avon would have been able to wipe out Marlo. Slim Charles had his location and they were arming up to go take him out when the Cops rolled in. Marlo was lucky. He wasnt smarter than Avon, Avon had to deal with Stringer's delusions.
You mentioned Avon recognizing Marlo for what he was but how could you completely forget Slim Charles?! Especially in regards to the Co-op dealing with Marlo.
@@calwatch1496 Hell no, Bodie was an example of a good soldier; he’d even crash out unlike Slim (think “THE Clay Davis?!” scene). After Barksdale fell, Bodie stayed Westside as a good soldier would eventually falling to Marlo. How did Slim, one of the smartest, avoid that? He went over East & even under Marlo in the Co-op, played chess.
I think "You come at the king you best not miss" applies here. As far as they know Marlo disappeared legions of snitches at will. He and his killed Stringer. He and his wounded Omar, then killed him later. None of the Co-Op had the heart or muscle to go up against that for no good reason. Besides, didn't Prop Joe's death get blamed on Omar? Only Slim Charles had any real clue, but he's the ultimate pragmatist. (I truly believe he shot Cheese because he was weak, a liability, likely to flip if/when caught, not out of real revenge for Prop Joe.)
A historical example is appropriate here. Prior to WW2, all of Europe could see that Germany wanted war. They expanded its military in violation of the WW1 peace treaty, it invaded disputed territory, it took over Czechoslovakia. They should have put a stop to all that early on. It was not until Germany invaded Poland when they finally acted. By then it was too late.
The Co-op never had the overall authority of something like the commission and nobody in the cop op had the balls to to kill Marlo and they were to self serving to unite against Marlo
This is where you ultilize your defacto muscle like Slim. Slim was almost close to wiping out Marlo and some of his key personnel and he was sick with the gun game just like Marlo was. All the Co-Op had to do was delegate the task to Slim and help him get an army and let him get loose.
If Slim was having trouble finding decent soldiers for Barksdale operations, I’m not sure he’d be too confident in whatever the co op would provide him there.
@@irwinshung809 Haha he didnt fail because Marlo was hard to kill, he was gonna get got but the police had to fuck it up that day. He's just a lucky motherfucker
@@irwinshung809 failed because???/ slim would of wiped him clean if he was like a real person in Balitmore and not a tv character he would of went in and not care about going back to see his boss off to jail.
I really like this channel and The Wire is the greatest show ever. I know of whence I speak. I am a City attorney and I work directly with police most of the time. To say The Wire "follows the drug trade of Baltimore from both the side of the cops looking to take down the drug crews, and the kingpins looking to profit from the system" is a gross understatement of The Wire. It is about the entirety of an American city at the dawn of the 21st century. Yes, the drug crews are part of it. The cops, not only chasing drug crews but all parts of policing, are part of it. Schools are part of it. Politics are part of it. Development - both where it is moving the City forward and where it is lacking - are part of it. As I said I really enjoy this channel - but - the gross understatement of what The Wire is needs to be pointed out.
Police are part of the problem not the solution. This is capitalism decaying and desperately holding onto it's grip on society. To the detriment of the people at the lowest rung of society.
I think it's always like this. Why doesn't a man that bleeds as any other, not get killed in these situations? You've gave several and there are probably several more. Why didn't Avon get killed, or any of the other main characters for so long, even if they eventually did? I'll say this, Marlo's last scene, with the 2 boys on the corner... it kinda shows you who he is. He got stabbed and tasted the blood and laughed AFTER ducking a head shot. #Seasoned
I think prop joe wasn’t as smart as he thought he was and thought he could control and use Marlo, but (like someone below said) Marlo didn’t have rules like the rest of them. The co-op was all about business and (I feel) by them killing Marlo would have created a vacuum in his territory, thus leading to more violence. I really wish we could have known what each member thought at any given time, because I’m sure some of them wanted him dead simply because they saw the threat of his ambition too be the king., but realized he was too powerful. Just my thoughts
Despite what everyone thinks about Marlo, I rather liked his ending, as it defied viewer expectations. Besides, it can be inferred that he will prob meet the end some time after the final episode- his careless/reckless/ruthless/merciless behaviour will catch up with him. Who knows, perhaps that was what Spiros/The Greek were negotiating with Slim/Rick in the final montage. I expect Marlo would meet a similar fate to others in the game. Have a good day reader :)
The thing with Marlo at the end as well, is that he is now entangled in this paradox of on the one hand having a reputation for ruthlessness with the coop, while on the other hand likely having lost his reputation as well because the guys he ran off that corner didn't know him. Marlo would therefore have to start over with both of his most dangerous muscle being dead (Snoop) and in jail (Chris), and the coop at this point knows exactly what kind of player he is. They wouldn't be played by Marlo again and wouldn't let him rise neither.
@@DynastyLuminous46 as Tony soprano suggested (equally ambiguous ending), end up dead or in the can. Also Marlo was living his own personal hell, he is done, no street cred etc and all alone with no muscle and basically a dead man walking. Have a good day reader.
@@DynastyLuminous46 Not only is his most dangerous 2 lieutenants out but he also would have Michael(the new Omar) to worry about if he tried to come up again.
@@MrRjh63 I am also curious, which of the younger character(s) would inherit Marlo and Stringer legacy? ie Kennard? Donut? Randy? excellent writing in that show and the what ifs are equally as fascinating (if not depressing)..
Joe tried to be close Marlo and treat him like a son. Marlo wanted to get close to snake him and he did. All thru the meetings Marlo watched for weakness. Avon was Marlo only threat but they were so weak by the time they clashed.
Joe tried to kiss up hoping to earn Marlo favor to spare his life only for Marlo to sense fear and weakness Prop actually outsmarted himself right into a box😅
This is pretty common. Look at Stalin. Dude was exiled multiple times. Let out of prisons over and over after failed rebellions. Even Lenin warned about him. But yet he still became the ultimate heartless ruler of the Soviet Union for almost 30 years til he died in 1954 All the red flags were there but he was never taken out
Exactly, you can try to debate this and make it seem logical and realistic all you want but in the end this is a show and plot armor for main characters exist until they don't.
I'm a former street dude from Chicago. In real life Marlo would have ended up on a t shift. A long with Snoop and Chris. Nobody here would scared of him. It's just a show. He had plot armor 😂
“Former street dude from Chicago” you’re not fooling anybody. The writers of this show were literal cops and news journalists in Baltimore they know what they’re talking about more than you do lol
Plot armor lol. Every criminal organization has ruthless muscle. And if they didn’t have the muscle, they’d just put a bag on his head. Hell in real life people will kill you just to say they’re the ones who killed you. Marlo survived because the plot needed him to survive.
Let's say they killed marlo..then what happens? War to replace him? War against his crew? How is that a good thing for people who wanted to avoid attention?
@@afrosamourai400 A vacuum in drug trade is a good thing. It means you poach the soldiers and territory. Also, Marlo didn't have any loyal people near him like Avon did who would continue the war after he was assasinated.
Totally agree--my friends and i actually thought a great backstory would've been that he (and Chris and Snoop) were dishonorably discharged veterans from Afghanistan (which explains why he shows up suddenly out of nowhere in season 3). That would explain why he was able to confidently set himself apart b/c he knows that none of the other gangsters had nothing even remotely comparable to the combat and tactical training him and his crew had
Because Marlo is a story device. Its why he's impervious and his team is the best and then they arent. The whole point was to show that dynasties like the old Barksdale crews are freying under the drug trade and younger men are more violent. Its the same reason why Omar was killed the way he was - to show that social bonds are fraying further but the drug trade keeps going.
Strings problem was that he thought that he was the smartest nigga in the room, corporately and on the Streets….. Never think that you are intellectually superior than those around you! You can always learn from others.
The co-op saw Marlo and his crew as effective muscle for-hire. They were all too arrogant to see how smart and ambitious Marlo was. One guy didn't sleep on Marlo, though. Slim Charles saw what Marlo was cooking up in one of the co-op meetings. He even warned Prop Joe to look out for Marlo, the second Slim smelled it. Throughout the show, Slim always knew what was up. Only other soldiers, like Marlo and Avon, recognized how sharp Slim Charles was.
If The Co-op moved like The Italian-American Mafia. They would’ve taken Marlo OUT. As soon as he made a move on any Co-op members. Marlo had no reason to fear The Co-op. SMH 🤦🏾♂️ No real organization.
@@khametrick “Crazy” Joe Gallo played his hand like Marlo. He took out a boss, Joe Colombo. Remember how that worked out? A year later they killed him at his birthday dinner, Umberto’s.
They chose the wrong horse ... Avon was straight up OG and knew just how to handle Marlo because indeed he had handled many just like him coming up. Instead the Co-Op acted like they were running a corporate board as opposed to a street drug cartel. You reap what you sow ..
There’s an interesting parallel between Marlo and Putin and the new day co op and nato. I liked that you touched on it but it’s a topic that deserves to be fleshed out fully.
Honestly it's not. NATO is barley helping and that's because Ukraine isn't really a NATO member. Ukraine wasn't even an ally to the US before the invasion.
You summed it all up, the co-op feared Marlo, Slim Charles warned Prop Joe when he said The Boy Marlo know some shit, and Prop Joe was a complete idiot to attempt to civilize and make an alliance with that man, to even bring him to the co-op plus he was Westside, just like Avon. So the Co-op crumbling was all of Prop Joe's fault, Hungry Man's death Prop Joe's fault, his own death his fault. He should've let Marlo do his own thing, but the Co-op could've killed Marlo and got the connect🤷🏿♂️
Right. The problem is that people get themselves in these jams by thinking they can use a difficulty to their advantage but in consequence learn the hard way. It’s better to get the one roach now than to let it go and then you have 100 roaches to deal with later.
The Co-op was tricked by Prop Joe to play this council game with the connect. By the rules of the game, whoever had the connect was the king. Which automatically puts a target on his head. Prop Joe created the co-op so he wouldn’t have to deal with the warring. Once Marlo shows up playing by street rules, he easily defeats the co-op. Since they are out of touch with the street rules from years of playing Prop Joe’s bs game.
Taking out Hungryman, went against what the CO OP was supposed to be for. Stringer wanted reform and Joe Wanted to go by some 'code', but Marlo and the CO OP, represented neither.
The Co-Op didn't take him out because the leader was soft. 1st convo they had was about the Co-Op needs him for muscle. Then says nobody messes woth any of them. Lie. Omar tore their asses up. So right there Marlo sensed weakness. The only one that had heart was Slim Charles. Joe, Hungry Man, Fat Face Rick, all soft.
Overall Prop Joe was the smartest of the three kingpins , his own nephew Cheese sold him out otherwise Marlow would have never been able to kill him!!!! Lets not forget that Prop Joe is the one who actually turned Stringer Omar & Brother Mozune all against eachother which was probably the smartest strategy in the entire show!!!!
They weren't as ruthless as Marlo, they're all old school type dudes. Making money, very few bodies and whatnot. Meanwhile Marlo is highly organized and super willing to kill, I think they knew they weren't a match for him or terrified of him
I still believe the best option would’ve been to aid Avon in taking Marlo out because even though Avon wouldn’t necessarily have joined the co op,he wouldn’t have gone against it either.Prop Joe of all people should’ve known that at least Avon had the highest respect for the game and could be civilized when need be i.e. the east side vs west side b ball game.Avon and Joe had beef yes but at least unlike Marlo,Avon didn’t care about the whole city and taking over he just wanted his corners and territory.
When Joe said “For a cold group of gangsters I’m proud to see y’all carry it like Republicans, they took that seriously and started acting like republicans instead of gangsters smh.
@@afrosamourai400 he was an animal seasoned killer, he was opposes to the commission and seen himself as the only boss of all five families and would kil anybody in his way,mainly he had the connect for the heroine supply from Italy, he had the monopoly on the heroine in new york and wasn’t sharing,that was his undoing.
@@taffy9966 do you know how he happened to be the only one with the plug and monopole of heroin? And how could he be stronger than the commission by his own?
@@afrosamourai400 He was a proper first generation italian with close ties to Sicily where they were bringing in the heroine. And in the mob money is power. He was bringing in stone killers called zips from italy as muscle also.you should type him in to youtube theres a few very good documentaries on him
Excellent analysis. Truly Avon is the only one who recognized Marlo’s ambition. Avon was a master of the game. As he told stringer you’re too soft and not cut out for the game and not smart enough to make it out there.
@Cal Watch I’m talking about when Avon had ol girl try to set him up at the hotel and Chris rolled up and almost took out Avon himself with the shotgun.
@@TrevyTrev-andTheFunkyPetshat was a one case thing and if stringer hadn't talked with colvin you can bet marlo would be finished easily xd. Marlo didn't have much against Avon
The Eastside was about business. The Westside were the killers. That's why Joe wanted Marlo apart of the CO-OP in my opinion. Killing Marlo would collectively make the business vulnerable to outsiders again. Joe rested on his relationship with the connect. Ain't no loyalty if the next man or woman is offering more. Marlo was indeed offering more. Makes me wonder who Marlo's connect was prior to joining the CO-OP!? Cause what made Joe think that Marlo wouldn't find out about the Greeks. Marlo was already his OWN boss on the WESTSIDE. It was ONLY a matter of time before he cut Joe out the picture.
How do you know that though lol If you knew anything about the life you’d know that there’s all kinds of people involved. Some of whom, just on appearance even, you’d think knew remotely nothing about the life. The life is one of the most diverse lifestyles out there. Real talk. Not everyone is flashy my man.
In real life he would have got banged by Avon. This was a little Hollywood. Avon was written as smart. When they went to war it would have been over for Marlow. You can't let dealers take your corners. It makes you soft on the block. The most dangerous dealers always got dropped.
Really interesting. Thank you. I have to confess I have often posed this question to myself. One thing I must correct you on, however. In the current war you refer to, neither party is a member of NATO though the invaded party would like to be. The invader claimed their reason for attacking was fear that the other would join NATO.
You got some things mixed up, in the video you said Marlo was taking Avon corners, but Avon just had the towers or projects and Marlo crew had the corners so when they knocked down the towers Avon crew started expanding out onto Marlo world. Back to the question once Avon was out the picture Marlo really didn’t have to worry about the other crews, they was all older and just tried to stay out the way they was more wholesalers
You know what just dawned on me the co-op where "old fat men" meaning seasoned players in the drug trade and settled, in their minds Marlo would stumble somewhere somehow. Avon was a bit younger and had some fire left in him money was simply a way to keep count. Avon seen a man hell bent on takeover and playing by his own rules.
Spot on. In the beginning Marlo was not a problem for the Coop so there was no incentive to take him out. Marlo in the beginning was only a problem for the Barksdales. Once Avon went to prison and Stringer was murdered, Marlo was too powerful and already apart of the coop. So it would go against COOP rules to use violence to deal with a fellow Coop member.
Marlo never ate up Barksdale's territory in season 3. If anything, Marlo just let Avon set up on what corners he thought he took, and hit Avon's people unawares.
Ukraine is not part of NATO (the possibility of them joining was Russia's raison d'etre for invading in the first place) so that analogy doesn't really work
slim gave him the down low marlo man he a snake be carefull with him, too bad joe did not takeing him too the greaks thinking he felt how you felt, you look at him like a son but he did not look at you like a dad, he just used you and when you had no more that he felt like you could teach him he got rid of you its okey joe breathe easy.
I think that you overlooked a major factor about Marlo's journey throughout the storyline. Marlo only joined Joe's Co-OP so he could find out who all was involved in him getting robbed by Omar at the poker game in front of the only men Marlo truly respected. Plus, Marlo was smart enough to position himself for a clean kill, so that the supplier wouldn't retaliate on him for murdering their connection and disrupting the flow of their product. Marlo's character arc was way more brilliant than most TH-camrs are willing to give him credit for. Marlo was a mastermind genius level tactician and self-determined business man. Why do you think he survived the storyline with a get out of jail free card? After all, he was the so called serial killer that the homicide detectives were looking for. Yet, the only reason why he went after Avon, who he respected, or Joe, THE FAT MAN who he never liked, was because they impeded upon his brand of business. First, Brody carelessly violated Fruit's corner boundaries; then Avon sent in a spy; Joe orchestrated the poker game robbery. Even the offscreen murder of that pretentious security guard across from around where Marlo was robbed was a strategic and just a little personal.
Why would you create friction in a Co-Op? It’s very obvious why they didn’t band together to form a front against Marlo. It sets a VERY bad precedent when you’re pushing people out of the co-op. Alliances would get everyone paranoid, having the thought in their minds that if Marlo is moved on, were they to be next?
Who in their perfect mind would go against Chris and snoop? Marlo was famous for making bodies disappear. He might be the brains of the operation, but them two were something else
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Prop Joe and Stringer had the same weakness, to greater and lesser degrees: Both are not as smart as they think they are. Both over estimated their own abilities, while under estimating everyone else. Both underestimated Avon and Marlo. Joe thought he could control Marlo and use him to bring down Avon without getting his own hands dirty. It didn't work out that way.
I think that's a pretty fair argument. They also both represent the "old school's" inability to understand the "new school", which you see in every generation gap. Joe specifically was still stuck in a world that was all but vanished, unfortunately.
Like Nucky on Boardwalk Empire said, “Dumber than I knew.” And Lucky’s response, “Good words for the headstone.”
They both were betrayed by lesser people
Prop Joe was smart,his nephew a bitch
Both were playing sly and doing underhanded tricks to get what they want. But Avon, Marlo, etc all survived because they were straight up. They didn't play games. They got arrested which is always going to happen but they didn't get taken out. Stringer was playing dirty tricks going behind Avon's which eventually come back and cost him big time. And Prop Joe, he was always underhanded and sly throughout the show.
They took him as seriously as a 40 degree day.
😂😂
Who give a fuck about a 40 degree day 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏿♂️
Stringer bell🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂facts 💯💯💯💯
Nobody gives a fluck about a 40 degree day
I don't agree that the co-op would have lost credibility because of killing Marlo. All the members knew he was a problem and would place his own beefs over co-op aims for peaceful earning. They would get over it, that's exactly what happened when Cheese got killed
Marlo became weak at the end chris got a life sentence snoop got killed, one of his captains got sentenced 6:23
You are correct.
@@asimhusain8087 Avon in prison with guys all day, Joe String and Omar dead. Marlo free with $10mm if that was JayZ u would say he’s a genius
Lose credibility to who? They the everyone running things in b more…
Exactly, that was the only corny thing about The Wire. Marlo was a problem for everyone. Avon should have killed Marlo, Chris & Snoop simultaneously
“If yew happy to dew for me? I’m happy to dew for yew. Yew just dew as yew dew” - Your true and loyal friend, Proposition Joe.
They thought Marlo and his crew were just dumb muscle. By the time they found out he wasn't, it was too late. Marlo simply took over by playing the fool so to speak. If they knew Marlo was as calculating as he was, they would have dealt with them. Marlo never showed that side of himself. Sometimes you have to play a sucka to catch a sucka.
No they were because they ruined themselves
@Cal Watch Why would they defer to Avon? String was a part of the co-op behind Avon's back. Avon wanted no part of the co-op. That's the dumbest take I've heard. Did you watch the show? lol!
Exactly. Marlo and Slim are cut from the same cloth as far as that's concerned
@@claudewashington5247that makes no sense
this reminds me of people having bears or cougars as “pets” then people are up in arms about the bear or cougar devouring them…. “I don’t know what happened!!!”
Because they thought it was one way, but it was another way
lol
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With the lollipop 😅
"Stop saying that!"
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I’ve always thought that they greatly underestimated how ruthless Marlo was. Joe and Stringer were no match for him.
As someone that grew up along psychos like Marlo, not the acting part, but actual cold blooded killers. You want to know what happens when someone like that dies? The block or hood celebrates. It's not like in the movies or shows where some guy is terrorizing a whole city, it's just mainly one guy that thinks he can control 2 or 3 blocks, shooting and killing kids that he played in the sand with.
That's deadass very true cool but in the meantime why IS there a celebration ? And the psycho more than half the time isn't taken out by the people he's taken out by his own psychos. Then come the party from the people. First come the jerkoffs in office that print our own money , tell us we broke as a country or there's a defic9t then give that to another country like we don't have ghettos ....
...... and then comes what the people themselves do to each other which ultimately supports their industry. I mean no shade sir but the celebration isn't cool.Bless.
This is EXACTLY how it is. Like their whole life consists of that one apt complex, that couple of blocks. They make make a lil money in those blocks but their lives don’t amount to anything. A good story. The “respect” and “honor” they claim they live by is an excuse to move how they do. Their principles change to best suit the present circumstance, and they don’t take real accountability for the damage they cause. It may LOOK good if you catch ‘em at the right moment but their lives are sad and they know it. Kinda pitiful when you think about it.
@@loronzoprice9899 You want to know what's really real. The Omar character is truer to the real hood celebrity, they are all gay at least Omar's character was out and about with it. In real life it's so hidden, it's men meeting up, leaving there wife or girlfriend after 12 am to smoke a blunt together. Then shot up the block or each other because they don't want there business to get out. Michaels character is the real truth as sad and fuck up as it is. That's why Chris character scene is so powerful that's the only time you actually see him lose control, strike that he wanted to do it.th-cam.com/video/okm4YbMAVv4/w-d-xo.html
@@loronzoprice9899 that's why all the real gangsta rappers are basically emos with aggressive lyrics and guns. fr.
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The show definitely made Chris and Snoop out to be The Terminator or something. Every other gang has killers too. Just because they are the best muscle, doesn't mean everyone else has NO muscle. Hungry Man's people would have made war in the streets.
It's the way they did it that was unorthodox for the streets. Usually gangbangers are looking forward to get some rep from the hit but Chris & Snoop just made people disappear without any pompous story or word to go with it afterward. You have to remember that the people of Marlo's crew just stopped to see some of their fellow members on a weekly basis, simply hearing "he ain't working with us no more" when asking about them. I'm not sure the other crews had it better.
@@Xainfinen good point. If Omars rep got so blown out of proportion, and this is just one man sometimes with a partner or a small crew, you can just imagine the amount of fear someone like Marlo can generate with his body count. Sure in reality they can go after his crew, but better to play it safe and accept the losses than to try and take down what they perceived as a military like genius.
It depends on the size of your army and war chest. Ple like Joe want money not rep so he avoids war
Chris had military training and taught his soldiers how to shoot, this is a greatly understated advantage for Marlo’s gang.
Hungry man ain't really have muscle. Nobody in the west has muscle. That was discussed.
15 years after the last season, the wire still gets talked about and examined. That shows u how great thos show was
I’m pretty sure that:
a) The co-op didn’t try to kill Marlo in the beginning because they needed his muscle to solve problems of their own (e.g. the New York dealers), as well as consolidate power on the west side, where they had no influence or marketshare following the death of Stringer and Avon’s imprisonment. This isn’t the colonization of South America we’re talking about. Killing Marlo would not have given the co-op control of Marlo’s muscle or his operation
b) The co-op were not idealists, looking to make some kind of point about how much peachier the drug game is without violence. They were thuggish businessmen who were willing to acknowledge that they stood to make more money by refraining from constant war. But this doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have been willing to use violence as an expedient to solve certain problems (as they, in fact, *did* on several occasions)
c) Prop Joe was not Avon’s “arch-rival.” They represented different markets (East Side vs West). There is not a single instance in the show where Avon expresses interest in conquering the East Side drug market. Even Marlo is not initially interested in this possibility, until his experience with Joe teaches him that it’s actually an achievable goal. To sum up: Marlo and Avon share the belief that the East Side are “a bunch of bitches,” and neither of them care much for it until Marlo is able to chart a path, through the Greeks, to total domination of both sides
I hope this helps?
Ok but how come Marlo's supply was never threatened?
@@Sabz811111 I want my bread.
THIS
They knew taking Marlo out wouldn’t be enough. They would have to get him, snoop, and Chris which woulda been a tall task. And I think they feared him more than Avon bc Marlo had no code
Not true that's all they had to do was take out marlo if you hit the head then the rest fall in position you catch marlo alone what reason do chris & snoop have for retaliation at that point neither can run the show on their own chris & snoop either skip town with what they got or they offer their services to someone else honestly in the real world marlo doesn't make it as far as he did doin all that foul s*** the same way he said get on our package or tool up is the same way the co-OP coulda said you need to ease up or tool up against all of us matter of fact you don't even give a choice you just hit him
@@jordanflores5687 ho had the muscle to take him out besides Avon?
@@LeoSlimTV together I feel like no one is reading the title together your telling me every other organization had zero muscle zero none and no resources or connections to any????
@Jordan Flores why do you think they wanted Marlo? That's exactly why they wanted him! He had the only Muscle.
@@LeoSlimTV not true they didn't have the muscle he had but they had some muscle you can't have NO muscle and survive in that game c'mon now like I said you hit marlo alone and it's over
But at the end of the day the one thing Marlo and Avon had in common was they both instilled fear into their community I honestly think Avon would have been an even bigger problem for the co op because he was more smart then Marlo and was always a half a step ahead
Co-op wanted nothing to do with Avon. After Barksdale went down in season one, stringer got a true taste of power and learning to work with Joe was more in the business direction he wanted to go into. Problem is they regurgitated a bunch of shit they pride themselves in learning to feel they were above the street shit. Undermining where their true wealth came from specially stringer. This mistake ultimately got them both killed. Avon only approved working with Joe out of necessity because his NY connect was taken down by the feds. Avon would have done the same thing Marlo did to the Eastside bitches. Shit he was the main key for Marlo to get access. Altogether the show is God dam masterpiece.
Marlo was very smart man. He lacked the wisdom to go along with his smarts, but he played prop Joe ass like a fiddle and you know how smart Joe was. And on top of that Marlo was much more ambitious than Avon because Marlo wanted what Avon already had… the crown. So I don’t think Avon would have been much more of a threat.
Marlo moved different from everyone on the show. He paid attention to every detail.
Hah no, stacking bodies in empty homes wasn’t detail oriented, Marlo was just ruthless and lucky only to be owned by the next marlo type thug
yet he never noticed omar spying on him multiple times
@@sunnohh Knowing that Cheese wasn't satisfied was a very important detail that he paid attention to, which he used to his advantage to topple Prop Joe...
@@KtotheG also seeing that michael was that one after he didnt accept that money was detailed,the girl avon tried to set him up with he was detailed on that as well
Marlo was a step away from getting popped. If McNulty hadnt stayed so focused on Avon, Avon would have been able to wipe out Marlo. Slim Charles had his location and they were arming up to go take him out when the Cops rolled in. Marlo was lucky. He wasnt smarter than Avon, Avon had to deal with Stringer's delusions.
You mentioned Avon recognizing Marlo for what he was but how could you completely forget Slim Charles?! Especially in regards to the Co-op dealing with Marlo.
Slim was the smartest character on the show to me..like a black Tom Hagen from the godfather but willing and ready to bust his gun if need be
Slim charles was fa sure the smartest on the show
@@calwatch1496 Hell no, Bodie was an example of a good soldier; he’d even crash out unlike Slim (think “THE Clay Davis?!” scene). After Barksdale fell, Bodie stayed Westside as a good soldier would eventually falling to Marlo. How did Slim, one of the smartest, avoid that? He went over East & even under Marlo in the Co-op, played chess.
@@brandonwilson9101In no way was Hagen smarter than Vito.
"When i ran my shop, and the Co-Op dropped, I damned sure did something about it". Marlo
"Take the younglings with you..." - Anakin
@@insuchaway 😂😂😂
Shows you how street smart Avon was vs everyone else..It's street smarts vs business smarts often in this series that tends to clash.
Avon was the only person who saw Marlo for what he was
@@vegardgeiner1045 yes
This was that other thing.
I think "You come at the king you best not miss" applies here.
As far as they know Marlo disappeared legions of snitches at will. He and his killed Stringer. He and his wounded Omar, then killed him later.
None of the Co-Op had the heart or muscle to go up against that for no good reason. Besides, didn't Prop Joe's death get blamed on Omar?
Only Slim Charles had any real clue, but he's the ultimate pragmatist. (I truly believe he shot Cheese because he was weak, a liability, likely to flip if/when caught, not out of real revenge for Prop Joe.)
I kinda think it was both but I lean more towards to him being an opportunistic snake
@@beautifullyblessed2768luck and Chris lol
It was also pretty clear at that point that Cheese was in it for Cheese and Cheese only.
He never wounded Omar. He didn’t really kill stringer.
Nor did his own kill Omar.
A historical example is appropriate here. Prior to WW2, all of Europe could see that Germany wanted war. They expanded its military in violation of the WW1 peace treaty, it invaded disputed territory, it took over Czechoslovakia. They should have put a stop to all that early on. It was not until Germany invaded Poland when they finally acted. By then it was too late.
Even more resemble the co-op of PRC into Globalization system, only made them too powerful, and The Wire was written a decade ago.
The Co-op never had the overall authority of something like the commission and nobody in the cop op had the balls to to kill Marlo and they were to self serving to unite against Marlo
Marlo and Chris always the Emperor and Darth Vader of the Wire Saga!
This is where you ultilize your defacto muscle like Slim. Slim was almost close to wiping out Marlo and some of his key personnel and he was sick with the gun game just like Marlo was. All the Co-Op had to do was delegate the task to Slim and help him get an army and let him get loose.
If Slim was having trouble finding decent soldiers for Barksdale operations, I’m not sure he’d be too confident in whatever the co op would provide him there.
Maybe they should outsource Omar himself if the timing was right.
@@syntax2004 you're just reaching at this point 🥱
Simple. Marlo had all the muscle. The Co-Op couldn't even run them NY boys off without Marlo.
I agree. Avon was more war ready than the Co-op, and failed in his attempts on Marlo's life.
Marlo's hard to kill.
true dat
@@irwinshung809 Haha he didnt fail because Marlo was hard to kill, he was gonna get got but the police had to fuck it up that day. He's just a lucky motherfucker
@@irwinshung809 failed because???/ slim would of wiped him clean if he was like a real person in Balitmore and not a tv character he would of went in and not care about going back to see his boss off to jail.
I really like this channel and The Wire is the greatest show ever. I know of whence I speak. I am a City attorney and I work directly with police most of the time. To say The Wire "follows the drug trade of Baltimore from both the side of the cops looking to take down the drug crews, and the kingpins looking to profit from the system" is a gross understatement of The Wire. It is about the entirety of an American city at the dawn of the 21st century. Yes, the drug crews are part of it. The cops, not only chasing drug crews but all parts of policing, are part of it. Schools are part of it. Politics are part of it. Development - both where it is moving the City forward and where it is lacking - are part of it.
As I said I really enjoy this channel - but - the gross understatement of what The Wire is needs to be pointed out.
Police are part of the problem not the solution. This is capitalism decaying and desperately holding onto it's grip on society. To the detriment of the people at the lowest rung of society.
I think it's always like this. Why doesn't a man that bleeds as any other, not get killed in these situations? You've gave several and there are probably several more. Why didn't Avon get killed, or any of the other main characters for so long, even if they eventually did? I'll say this, Marlo's last scene, with the 2 boys on the corner... it kinda shows you who he is. He got stabbed and tasted the blood and laughed AFTER ducking a head shot. #Seasoned
Most people don't want to go to jail
Because not everyone is a killer. That's life . Damn I love these videos. When marlo meets Avon, best scene in the series!
They're a bunch of drug gangsters
They didn’t kill him because they didn’t have the heart… only Avon and Omar had the heart to go at Marlo
"Or maybe their guys caught a nickel or went an clean dey ack up" 😂❤❤
I think prop joe wasn’t as smart as he thought he was and thought he could control and use Marlo, but (like someone below said) Marlo didn’t have rules like the rest of them. The co-op was all about business and (I feel) by them killing Marlo would have created a vacuum in his territory, thus leading to more violence. I really wish we could have known what each member thought at any given time, because I’m sure some of them wanted him dead simply because they saw the threat of his ambition too be the king., but realized he was too powerful.
Just my thoughts
Despite what everyone thinks about Marlo, I rather liked his ending, as it defied viewer expectations. Besides, it can be inferred that he will prob meet the end some time after the final episode- his careless/reckless/ruthless/merciless behaviour will catch up with him. Who knows, perhaps that was what Spiros/The Greek were negotiating with Slim/Rick in the final montage. I expect Marlo would meet a similar fate to others in the game. Have a good day reader :)
The thing with Marlo at the end as well, is that he is now entangled in this paradox of on the one hand having a reputation for ruthlessness with the coop, while on the other hand likely having lost his reputation as well because the guys he ran off that corner didn't know him. Marlo would therefore have to start over with both of his most dangerous muscle being dead (Snoop) and in jail (Chris), and the coop at this point knows exactly what kind of player he is. They wouldn't be played by Marlo again and wouldn't let him rise neither.
@@DynastyLuminous46 as Tony soprano suggested (equally ambiguous ending), end up dead or in the can. Also Marlo was living his own personal hell, he is done, no street cred etc and all alone with no muscle and basically a dead man walking. Have a good day reader.
@@DynastyLuminous46 Not only is his most dangerous 2 lieutenants out but he also would have Michael(the new Omar) to worry about if he tried to come up again.
@@MrRjh63 I am also curious, which of the younger character(s) would inherit Marlo and Stringer legacy? ie Kennard? Donut? Randy? excellent writing in that show and the what ifs are equally as fascinating (if not depressing)..
Don’t underestimate Marlo , dude was smarter than all them cats in the co - op .
Joe tried to be close Marlo and treat him like a son. Marlo wanted to get close to snake him and he did. All thru the meetings Marlo watched for weakness. Avon was Marlo only threat but they were so weak by the time they clashed.
Joe tried to kiss up hoping to earn Marlo favor to spare his life only for Marlo to sense fear and weakness Prop actually outsmarted himself right into a box😅
This is pretty common.
Look at Stalin. Dude was exiled multiple times. Let out of prisons over and over after failed rebellions. Even Lenin warned about him. But yet he still became the ultimate heartless ruler of the Soviet Union for almost 30 years til he died in 1954
All the red flags were there but he was never taken out
They was all scared of Marlo cause Marlo crew put in work out of loyalty and was rewarded for it
One word kept Marlo alive, CHRIS
The reason no one killed Marlo is because the writers needed a new villain
Plain and simple lol
Exactly, you can try to debate this and make it seem logical and realistic all you want but in the end this is a show and plot armor for main characters exist until they don't.
Just say you don’t get the show.
@@bigwilly43729 if yo dumbass thinks there was a in world logical reason why 8 to 12 crews couldn't kill Marlo then you must think Atlantis is real
I'm a former street dude from Chicago. In real life Marlo would have ended up on a t shift. A long with Snoop and Chris. Nobody here would scared of him. It's just a show. He had plot armor 😂
Tell it 💯
“Former street dude from Chicago” you’re not fooling anybody. The writers of this show were literal cops and news journalists in Baltimore they know what they’re talking about more than you do lol
Chris was the zombie master had them all shook
Plot armor lol. Every criminal organization has ruthless muscle. And if they didn’t have the muscle, they’d just put a bag on his head. Hell in real life people will kill you just to say they’re the ones who killed you. Marlo survived because the plot needed him to survive.
Let's say they killed marlo..then what happens? War to replace him? War against his crew? How is that a good thing for people who wanted to avoid attention?
@@afrosamourai400 A vacuum in drug trade is a good thing. It means you poach the soldiers and territory. Also, Marlo didn't have any loyal people near him like Avon did who would continue the war after he was assasinated.
Totally agree--my friends and i actually thought a great backstory would've been that he (and Chris and Snoop) were dishonorably discharged veterans from Afghanistan (which explains why he shows up suddenly out of nowhere in season 3). That would explain why he was able to confidently set himself apart b/c he knows that none of the other gangsters had nothing even remotely comparable to the combat and tactical training him and his crew had
@@CuriousInquiror marlo and snoop are too young to be veterans,they're only in their 20's
Slim Charles also saw Marlo was making a move.
Because Marlo is a story device. Its why he's impervious and his team is the best and then they arent. The whole point was to show that dynasties like the old Barksdale crews are freying under the drug trade and younger men are more violent. Its the same reason why Omar was killed the way he was - to show that social bonds are fraying further but the drug trade keeps going.
Strings problem was that he thought that he was the smartest nigga in the room, corporately and on the Streets…..
Never think that you are intellectually superior than those around you! You can always learn from others.
Off top 💯
I always wondered why. Its simple kill Marlo and wait for the Greeks to come knocking. These are all gangstas, not business men
The co-op bleeds green
Marlo bleeds red
Man, Jamie Hector was absolutely terrifying as Marlo... one of the scariest characters in TV / movie history.
Check him out in We Own This City
The co-op saw Marlo and his crew as effective muscle for-hire. They were all too arrogant to see how smart and ambitious Marlo was.
One guy didn't sleep on Marlo, though. Slim Charles saw what Marlo was cooking up in one of the co-op meetings. He even warned Prop Joe to look out for Marlo, the second Slim smelled it. Throughout the show, Slim always knew what was up.
Only other soldiers, like Marlo and Avon, recognized how sharp Slim Charles was.
Amazing how this series is still buzzing through peoples minds
If The Co-op moved like The Italian-American Mafia. They would’ve taken Marlo OUT. As soon as he made a move on any Co-op members. Marlo had no reason to fear The Co-op. SMH 🤦🏾♂️ No real organization.
@@khametrick “Crazy” Joe Gallo played his hand like Marlo. He took out a boss, Joe Colombo. Remember how that worked out? A year later they killed him at his birthday dinner, Umberto’s.
They didn't take he serious until it was too late to do anything about it.
They chose the wrong horse ... Avon was straight up OG and knew just how to handle Marlo because indeed he had handled many just like him coming up. Instead the Co-Op acted like they were running a corporate board as opposed to a street drug cartel. You reap what you sow ..
Marlo was Walmart amongst Grandpa’s, Sears and JC Penny. The only one that saw Marlo coming was Tall man and Avon (AKA Target). 😆
Someone from within the co-op had to take the initiative and take out Marlo. No one did. Marlo wins
There’s an interesting parallel between Marlo and Putin and the new day co op and nato. I liked that you touched on it but it’s a topic that deserves to be fleshed out fully.
Honestly it's not. NATO is barley helping and that's because Ukraine isn't really a NATO member. Ukraine wasn't even an ally to the US before the invasion.
Also Ukraine is not in NATO.
You summed it all up, the co-op feared Marlo, Slim Charles warned Prop Joe when he said The Boy Marlo know some shit, and Prop Joe was a complete idiot to attempt to civilize and make an alliance with that man, to even bring him to the co-op plus he was Westside, just like Avon. So the Co-op crumbling was all of Prop Joe's fault, Hungry Man's death Prop Joe's fault, his own death his fault. He should've let Marlo do his own thing, but the Co-op could've killed Marlo and got the connect🤷🏿♂️
They should have gotten rid of him at the first red flag when someone shows you who they are believe it, he was selfish and reckless
Right. The problem is that people get themselves in these jams by thinking they can use a difficulty to their advantage but in consequence learn the hard way. It’s better to get the one roach now than to let it go and then you have 100 roaches to deal with later.
The Co-op was tricked by Prop Joe to play this council game with the connect. By the rules of the game, whoever had the connect was the king. Which automatically puts a target on his head. Prop Joe created the co-op so he wouldn’t have to deal with the warring. Once Marlo shows up playing by street rules, he easily defeats the co-op. Since they are out of touch with the street rules from years of playing Prop Joe’s bs game.
Taking out Hungryman, went against what the CO OP was supposed to be for. Stringer wanted reform and Joe Wanted to go by some 'code', but Marlo and the CO OP, represented neither.
The Co-Op didn't take him out because the leader was soft. 1st convo they had was about the Co-Op needs him for muscle. Then says nobody messes woth any of them. Lie. Omar tore their asses up. So right there Marlo sensed weakness. The only one that had heart was Slim Charles. Joe, Hungry Man, Fat Face Rick, all soft.
Ukraine is not a member of Nato. This is part of the whole discussion.
It may sound like semantics but it is actually important.
09:00 The Ukraine isn't part of NATO, hence why Putin striked when he did.
They didn't kill Marlo because the show creators wrote it that way. There's no actual logical reason that would hold up in real life
Exactly 💯
Common sense. In real life homeboy would’ve been escorted to the exit.
Marlo soldiers would have took them to a long dragged out war and the money coming in would have slowed down
@Cal Watch shit happens
Great vid.
Your Wire content is so good.
Overall Prop Joe was the smartest of the three kingpins , his own nephew Cheese sold him out otherwise Marlow would have never been able to kill him!!!! Lets not forget that Prop Joe is the one who actually turned Stringer Omar & Brother Mozune all against eachother which was probably the smartest strategy in the entire show!!!!
They weren't as ruthless as Marlo, they're all old school type dudes. Making money, very few bodies and whatnot. Meanwhile Marlo is highly organized and super willing to kill, I think they knew they weren't a match for him or terrified of him
I still believe the best option would’ve been to aid Avon in taking Marlo out because even though Avon wouldn’t necessarily have joined the co op,he wouldn’t have gone against it either.Prop Joe of all people should’ve known that at least Avon had the highest respect for the game and could be civilized when need be i.e. the east side vs west side b ball game.Avon and Joe had beef yes but at least unlike Marlo,Avon didn’t care about the whole city and taking over he just wanted his corners and territory.
Yes Joe's strategy was to thwart the Barksdales. It was also Avon's aim to help Marlo so he would end up killing Joe out of revenge
Marlo utilized fear.
When Joe said “For a cold group of gangsters I’m proud to see y’all carry it like Republicans, they took that seriously and started acting like republicans instead of gangsters smh.
Marlo lives because he had plot armor. That's it.
Like Prop Joe once said, “yewdewyew. deyewdewdewdewyew.”
The mafia had a similar situation with their commission, against carmine galane, they eventually killed galante.
Why were they afraid of galante?
@@afrosamourai400 he was an animal seasoned killer, he was opposes to the commission and seen himself as the only boss of all five families and would kil anybody in his way,mainly he had the connect for the heroine supply from Italy, he had the monopoly on the heroine in new york and wasn’t sharing,that was his undoing.
@@taffy9966 do you know how he happened to be the only one with the plug and monopole of heroin? And how could he be stronger than the commission by his own?
@@afrosamourai400 He was a proper first generation italian with close ties to Sicily where they were bringing in the heroine. And in the mob money is power. He was bringing in stone killers called zips from italy as muscle also.you should type him in to youtube theres a few very good documentaries on him
Excellent analysis. Truly Avon is the only one who recognized Marlo’s ambition. Avon was a master of the game. As he told stringer you’re too soft and not cut out for the game and not smart enough to make it out there.
Avon tried to take Marlo out early on , but was outsmarted by him.
@Cal Watch I’m talking about when Avon had ol girl try to set him up at the hotel and Chris rolled up and almost took out Avon himself with the shotgun.
@@TrevyTrev-andTheFunkyPetshat was a one case thing and if stringer hadn't talked with colvin you can bet marlo would be finished easily xd. Marlo didn't have much against Avon
Nope. Peep the jail visit scene between the two.
The Eastside was about business. The Westside were the killers. That's why Joe wanted Marlo apart of the CO-OP in my opinion. Killing Marlo would collectively make the business vulnerable to outsiders again. Joe rested on his relationship with the connect. Ain't no loyalty if the next man or woman is offering more. Marlo was indeed offering more. Makes me wonder who Marlo's connect was prior to joining the CO-OP!? Cause what made Joe think that Marlo wouldn't find out about the Greeks. Marlo was already his OWN boss on the WESTSIDE. It was ONLY a matter of time before he cut Joe out the picture.
No one wanted Marlo more than Detective Herk 😂😂
Who ended up getting him released from jail at the end??
It's always interesting to hear a person that has no idea what the lifestyle is like or about try to explain why things happened the way they did.
How do you know that though lol
If you knew anything about the life you’d know that there’s all kinds of people involved. Some of whom, just on appearance even, you’d think knew remotely nothing about the life. The life is one of the most diverse lifestyles out there. Real talk. Not everyone is flashy my man.
But slim charles told joe not to trust marlo
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When you apply logic to how everyone here is cold blooded the only thing protecting Marlo is plot armor. If it weren't for that he would be cadavarous
In real life he would have got banged by Avon. This was a little Hollywood. Avon was written as smart. When they went to war it would have been over for Marlow. You can't let dealers take your corners. It makes you soft on the block. The most dangerous dealers always got dropped.
He went to jail tho... twice.. can't go to war with heat on you already
Really interesting. Thank you. I have to confess I have often posed this question to myself. One thing I must correct you on, however. In the current war you refer to, neither party is a member of NATO though the invaded party would like to be. The invader claimed their reason for attacking was fear that the other would join NATO.
Brilliant video as ever!
Old Heads don’t understand that they the only ones following them old rules and the young lions don’t respect the old ways of doing business!
Because he had the connect. They didnt. Also he benefited them. He had leverage. Make no sense to kill someone they benefit
You got some things mixed up, in the video you said Marlo was taking Avon corners, but Avon just had the towers or projects and Marlo crew had the corners so when they knocked down the towers Avon crew started expanding out onto Marlo world. Back to the question once Avon was out the picture Marlo really didn’t have to worry about the other crews, they was all older and just tried to stay out the way they was more wholesalers
They didn't kill him cuz he had the plug and was a beast on the streets...one order and they'd end up in a vacant
Simple put it the co-op was using Diplomacy by appeasement. Marlo only seen it as weakness.
You know what just dawned on me the co-op where "old fat men" meaning seasoned players in the drug trade and settled, in their minds Marlo would stumble somewhere somehow. Avon was a bit younger and had some fire left in him money was simply a way to keep count. Avon seen a man hell bent on takeover and playing by his own rules.
Wow… As a native Westside Baltimorean. You cleaned that up exceptionally well. Great job.👍🏾
Spot on. In the beginning Marlo was not a problem for the Coop so there was no incentive to take him out. Marlo in the beginning was only a problem for the Barksdales. Once Avon went to prison and Stringer was murdered, Marlo was too powerful and already apart of the coop. So it would go against COOP rules to use violence to deal with a fellow Coop member.
You earned a sub when you referred to prison as the can. Nicely done
They thought they where smart enough to use him against New York for example. Marlo was only accepting people below him Not anyone above.
Irl, Marlo would have lasted as long as Chris and Snoop
they was cowards all that power they had they could have banded together n took out such a huge threat to them all
Marlo never ate up Barksdale's territory in season 3. If anything, Marlo just let Avon set up on what corners he thought he took, and hit Avon's people unawares.
Cause Marlo had real
Killers under him and they was scared of him.
Ukraine is not part of NATO (the possibility of them joining was Russia's raison d'etre for invading in the first place) so that analogy doesn't really work
slim gave him the down low marlo man he a snake be carefull with him, too bad joe did not takeing him too the greaks thinking he felt how you felt, you look at him like a son but he did not look at you like a dad, he just used you and when you had no more that he felt like you could teach him he got rid of you its okey joe breathe easy.
I think that you overlooked a major factor about Marlo's journey throughout the storyline. Marlo only joined Joe's Co-OP so he could find out who all was involved in him getting robbed by Omar at the poker game in front of the only men Marlo truly respected. Plus, Marlo was smart enough to position himself for a clean kill, so that the supplier wouldn't retaliate on him for murdering their connection and disrupting the flow of their product. Marlo's character arc was way more brilliant than most TH-camrs are willing to give him credit for. Marlo was a mastermind genius level tactician and self-determined business man. Why do you think he survived the storyline with a get out of jail free card?
After all, he was the so called serial killer that the homicide detectives were looking for.
Yet, the only reason why he went after Avon, who he respected, or Joe, THE FAT MAN who he never liked, was because they impeded upon his brand of business. First, Brody carelessly violated Fruit's corner boundaries; then Avon sent in a spy; Joe orchestrated the poker game robbery. Even the offscreen murder of that pretentious security guard across from around where Marlo was robbed was a strategic and just a little personal.
Why would you create friction in a Co-Op? It’s very obvious why they didn’t band together to form a front against Marlo. It sets a VERY bad precedent when you’re pushing people out of the co-op. Alliances would get everyone paranoid, having the thought in their minds that if Marlo is moved on, were they to be next?
Who in their perfect mind would go against Chris and snoop? Marlo was famous for making bodies disappear. He might be the brains of the operation, but them two were something else