I love this!! I “married” my wife in 1995 and married her again, legally after SCOTUS legalized gay marriage. We just celebrated our wedding anniversary of both ceremonies in September.
Congratulations, Kara Sheehan! That's a wonderful story to hear in a TH-cam comment. Wish you many more years together! Never been married and am pushing 40. Am hoping that I can resolve matters between my boyfriend and I so we can do the same one day. Society has been extremely and needlessly hard on LGBTQ+ communities and individuals. And am glad Golden Girls faced people's fears and misunderstandings of LGBTQ+ people at such critical times-all while remaining sympathetic.
The whole concept of the show was progressive 4 senior women having sexual relationships and unapologetic. I wish we had shows exploring this issue. That's why I love Grace and Frankie
it was also a bit unrealistic, but still loved it nevertheless. I don't know about others, but I have not met any women their age who were this active, and I work with older people, so I do meet a lot.
@@sandiego2380 I've met a few, but definitely few and far between. Considering Florida has a larger Retiree population than most places, I always just assumed that accounted for a larger population of them there.
I've just realized... as a straight woman who watched Golden Girls when she was just entering her teens and growing up in a caholic, traditionalist country, I think I have greatly underestimated how much influence this show had on me and on my social perspectives as an adult. And I should give thanks for that.
I used to watch it as a kid in the 80s and didn't understand alot of the issues and humor, now that I'm an adult I love this show and it teaches alot about acceptance and tolerance
@@melodyrichardson5051 don't worry. I am so worried that i am thinking about how we used to be. Back in those days, we didn't have tv so much. We loved it. Now that tv is here, it seems to be not good. But i still love Spongebob Squarepants.
There was a lot of good stuff in here. I just want to point out that a show about “sweet little old ladies” did stuff like this so well because they made the characters so much more than “sweet little old ladies”. They broke down barriers for seniors, because they presented them as dynamic, well rounded characters with distinct personalities, values and interests. I think it only made sense that they did the same for other issues. I guess what I’m trying to say is they deserve a better title than “little old ladies”.
I'd also like to point out that three of the main characters are in their 50s, I believe. It's not young, many might argue beyond middle age, but they're still very much in the midst of their active lives and I think "little old ladies" is a bit of an exaggeration.
@@samos4924 Actually they were in their 60s, only Rue was in her 50s and Estelle was playing an 80 year old. I guess the think he tried to say in the video was that "the people might have though of them as little old ladies", but they were so much more than that.
The "what did you mean when you said you could accept my being gay?" speech is so fucking real. I feel that in my bones. My mom so needs to fucking hear it. That's exactly where she is, "I love my gay son" but the instant I acknowledge dating anyone of any gender, it's "that's not okay," and stern disapproval.
I hear that...I tried to take my mom to out fest with me the year I came out just to see if my mom could really handle it and although she was going to go...I could see it all over her that she really wasn’t interested not to mention that she said she would just stay the car the whole time told me everything that I needed to know
I think partly the reason Blanche was so willing to accept Clayton was because he’s probably one of the only members of her family who she’s close with. She’s not close with either of a sisters and she hadn’t spoke to her daughter for years until she came to visit. The only members of the family she hasn’t seem to had a real falling out with is her Dad and her Brother. She doesn’t want to lose Clayton.
"although Rue McClanahan often did" - thank you for that one line of dialogue and that picture. I was hoping that you would say something about that. She was an advocate for the LGBT community. There are a lot of us heterosexuals who are allies. She was one of them
I'm not sure why but tears sprang to my eyes at 11:10 - "You're in control. Stand your ground. Take pride in whom you love and don't let anyone make you feel ashamed. If your family can't accept you, they don't deserve to have you in their lives." I really do think these episodes had an impact, especially on my grandmother's generation. My mother told her I wasn't straight a couple of years ago and I was shocked by her tolerance.
Ashley Peterson ...I always prefer the word ‘acceptance ‘ over ‘tolerance ‘. Maybe it’s a minor matter to some, but personally, I don’t want to be tolerated. It sounds too much like I am something unpleasant being put up with.
willcwhite Many years ago a friend and I attended gay Mensa (potluck) gatherings in San Francisco. We always watched Golden Girls when it came on. Eat. GG. Chat.
someone else mentioned how they broke barriers with an episode about dementia. it was a gentleman that sophia seemed to like and keep company with in the park. his daughter would watch to see that he was ok and then dorothy came by to watch as well. and for the record, the man was black but that was not even an issue. it's really a beautfiul espisode
That episode makes me cry every time, especially since my mom's dementia diagnosis. It's extremely kind and understanding, and that they made it at all warms my heart to this day.
"...Rose, who puts on full make up and jewelry to read a cat magazine alone by herself." I might be way off base here but I notice that with a lot of people in that age group. My own grandma is 90 and she does her hair, make up and jewelry everyday even if she just sits and watches TV. It was a mind set of something a person just *did* when she got up. And I could never imagine my late grandpa lounging around in his pajamas watching a movie on the couch. He'd watch a movie on the couch, but he'd be fully dressed, shaved and put together to do it.
Are you going to do the Friends episode “ The One with the Lesbian Wedding”? That might’ve been one of the first TV shows to have a same-sex wedding in an episode which isn’t surprising seeing as how Co-Creator of Friends David Crane is openly gay. I like how Ross is initially against the wedding of his ex-wife because he’s never really come to terms that his wife came out as a lesbian but then when she’s thinking about canceling the wedding because her parents won’t be there he tells her to go through with it and even walks her down the aisle. It’s pretty ahead of its time in that retrospect. P.S. I love Lisa Kudrow. She is hilarious.
I don’t think he’s really that homophobic. I think he would have a very similar reaction if his wife left him for another man. It’s just hard for him to come to terms with the fact that the woman he loved and wanted to spend his life with didn’t want the same. His reaction seems like any normal person’s reaction in that situation.
Yeah, there's quite a bit of homophobia in Friends, especially toward the end of the series run. The constant harping on Chandler for not being "manly enough", for example. In fact, the latter years of the show take a nearly conservative viewpoint in regard to gender roles.
Friends was misogynistic, homophobic and transphobic. It made me uncomfortable when I first watched it. It still makes me uncomfortable. Friends managed to reverse all the good work done by series like Maude and the Golden Girls.
I love learning about lgbt history, so thank you for all the videos you make. Its not something everyone learns about in school, the only time we learned anything about it was when we watched MILK. so thank you again.
Have you considered doing an episode on Queer As Folk (US version)? I know that series really had a cultural impact in the 2000s... and a huge impact on my life, too.
I'm pretty sure the reason Dorothy claps her hand over Sophia's mouth is because he was setting her up for a joke. Doug said "he'd bend over backwards for me" and Sophia was probably about to say "He'd been over forwards too!"
Love your content. Side note...like rose, my grandmother put on an outfit, jewellery and makeup every single day until her passing...and she didnt leave the house.... But someone could stop by ANYTIME and that's how women then did it...and I try to have a little part of that self pride she had in today's world by not wearing spandex everyday.
That is so terrible and I cant believe families are still stuck there. My prayers go out to them. Oh yes I am a Christian but I dont condone alot of churches perspective on homosexuality.
I watched these episodes in reruns with my kids....and it was after one of these episodes that my eldest informed me “Mom, instead of being your son, I want to be your daughter. Is that ok?” And, I took a page out of Sophia’s book and said “as long as you are happy, I am happy. May I name you what you what you would have been named as daughter #2, please?” To which he replied “sure, if I like it” LOL!!!!!! I actually showed her my baby names....boys were Michael, Mathew & Jonathan. Girls were Jenna, Michaela & Hannah. I said Michaela-And as a nickname, we will still call you Mike. She’s been my Michaela for 4 years now, in a wonderful relationship with her fiancé Rebecca. Cracks me up when my Mom says “would be so much easier if Mike was just Gay” and I have to remind Mom that Mike is, technically. I’m glad I found this channel 😉
Yes i know. They forget that we are all going to be dead. They do not follow the teachings of their own religion. Finally i quit talking with them so much. It breaks my heart.
Richard Portman *hugs* I’m so sorry!!! It shouldn’t matter with family. Families should love each other without judgement. We have accepted many kids that have been tossed aside when they have opened up to their parents. I’d be honored to welcome you into our family as well!! 🤗
Can you do a video about Dorothy's brother Phil? He is never on screen, but often talked about as being different, and the family black sheep. And eventually it is said that he cross dresses. Then there is the episode about his funeral, we meet his wife and everyone is shocked that Phil wanted to be buried in a nighty. The widow, I can't remember her name, helps Sophia come to turns with, and finally accept Phil for who he was. At lest during that episode, after words he goes back to being the but of jokes, but I would really like your thoughts on this character.
Annie Sap Brenda Vaccaro plays Phil's wife and oh man, she is SOOOO good at it. And Sophia breaks your heard wide open at the end... "My baby is dead!" The question of Phil would be a great subject to tackle. It's very puzzling and I wonder if they killed him off to put an end to what was a sort of problematic quandary. They let him go with dignity (as much as you can with a sitcom) and that was lovely.
I love your videos about Golden Girls, when I first watched the show I thought the way they handled lgbt arcs was bad, but it is just outdated. It's fascinanting to learn about lgbt history in media and the impact they had. Thank you so much, Matt.
im watching the culture cruise playlist and keep being impressed by the thoroughness of the contextualization. in theory i know enough of the history of the AIDS crisis to know how important these shows were at the time, but i wasnt alive then so it's not always my immediate focus. this is such a good way of keeping the history alive!
I stumbled on this video today and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing to light how hard coming out was in the late '80s. I was just coming of age and taking baby steps of self acceptance then, and January of 1990, in my senior year, I was so fearful that students from my school had found out I was gay and were plotting something against me (something I later found out wasn't even true) that I attempted suicide and ultimately dropped out of high school and became homeless for fear of violence against me. I was able to get back on track and went to college a year later, and soon I found myself emboldened to come out. I first made friends in Campus Crusade for Christ, but as I became more sure of who I was I was actually excommunicated - literally - from the group. They were all told to avoid me and cut off all communication, and they ALL did as they were told. Meanwhile, I came out in a big way, and at first I was the only out gay male at school. Besides me, there was one out female at the time, and her presence and visibility gave me courage to be out myself. This started a sort of snowball effect with people who were part of the closeted membership of the gay alliance, and within a year nearly 10 of us came out and marched in our small college town's Saint Patrick's Day Parade to announce that we were here, and queer, and that everybody better get used to it! The following year we all formed a speaker's group to go out to all the dorms and Greek houses to talk frankly and to dispel any misconceptions about what it was to be gay. Quickly the cultural tide started to turn - with Absolutely Fabulous, Ellen, and then Will and Grace picking up where Golden Girls left off. Anyway, I know that many gay generations had it far worse than we did, but living on the cusp of acceptance was not a passive place to be...well not for most of us anyway. We took pride in the work so many queer generations did since Stonewall, we spoke out, and we fought to take our place as equals among our peers. All this being said, Golden Girls most definitely was key in opening a dialog with my family and friends once the coming out process for me began. EVERYONE at that time watched Golden Girls, and their response to the show let us know on which side of the aisle they stood. The show's influence was and is deep and far reaching. As for you, kudos on putting together a great episode. You have a new subscriber!
Love this dive into nostalgia. If you grew up in the 80’s or 90’s you knew the golden girls. I love seeing your perspective on this. Keep up the good work.
Yay! Videos like this are what I subscribed to you for, so I’m glad to see them continue! I like your news videos too, but these are a lot of fun to watch.
My mom took care of her best friend Adrian who caught AIDS very quickly. He essentially died in her arms because he was gay and he wasnt allowed in hospice. I never got a chance to meet him. My mom remembers you everyday A! I hope you're watching us from that big beautiful gay heaven up there!
The Golden Girls, a show focussing on elderly women, was the most progressive US show of its time. It showed ageing as a joyful, even if tedious at times, experience, women being active, sexually active, past the age of 60, and was fiercely pro-ga, when it really was not trendy. As a gay man I will never forget what they did for people, for us!
The "bend over backwards for me" joke, and feel free to tell me I am the only one who thought this, was more about Sophia's lack of filter and Dorothy preventing her from saying something like "Well why not? You've been bending over in the bedroom for him!" (Or something implying similar activity, but better written, of course) By this time it was well established that Sophia could expose the veiled, skewer the hypocritical, and sometimes even heal. *Not* having her say whatever biting hilarity or vulgarity was floating to the top of her mind allowed the audience to... fill in the blank with their most wild imagination. So I never worried about the physics because it would not have meant a thing if he had not been a DuBois. Because almost any thing to do with a DuBois (99% of the time) had something to do with sex/sexuality.
I just discovered your channel, and I'm loving it! And while I've seen every Golden Girls episode multiple times, it wasn't until watching this video and seeing when these aired that I realized how the timing of the one of these episodes fit so perfectly in my own life. A week before "Sister of the Bride" aired, I had finally come out to my girlfriend of 2-1/2 years, and the night it aired, she was giving me an earful about how hurt she was that I hadn't told her and saying how I had led her on. I don't remember when I finally got to see the episode, but both Clayton episodes were definitely part of my coming out experience. Thanks again for the channel, and I'm looking forward to a lot of catching up!
Just found your channel and I'm working through the archive. Loving it! A quick comment regarding your mention of the pilot episode, specifically the gay houseboy. The character was indeed dropped once the show went to series, but there's no evidence it was due to his homosexuality. The pilot made it crystal clear that its success was built on the chemistry between the four actresses, and a fifth character did not fit into that dynamic. (The proof of this hypothesis is the fact that the show never added another regular character throughout its run). And someone in the writers' room probably noted that, if these women had a full-time servant, any future plotline regarding the Girls' struggles with finances would have rung hollow.
Ok I found your commentary welcomed and well thought out. I am going to check a few more of your videos out. I love the golden girls and they have covered several major issues over the series. Thanks for point out these episodes and where America was at opinionwise at the time. Keep up the good work my friend! 😊 😀 😁
I hope at some point you will do a "look back" at the ground breaking Showtime Sitcom "Brothers" in the mid 1980's. It dealt with AIDS, gay bashing, coming out and other issues that could only be talked about on Cable TV at the time. I got to meet Philip Charles MacKenzie (who played Donald Maltby) at a Gay Pride Event in New Orleans and even corresponded with him afterwards.
I've been binge watching this series, and I just have to say I really appreciate the context you provide of the time period. Very well researched and extremely informative. Cheers!
Season 5 - Episode 19 "72 Hours" was the AIDS/HIV episode, and it was I think extremely vital that the writers of the show chose NOT to dissect it through the lens of gay men/homosexuality. They instead chose Rose, who was at risk due to a cross-contaminated blood transfusion. It's fascinating as well because all 4 women have very different viewpoints on the situation. Dorothy is of course the calm and rational one, Sophia unfortunately regresses to being afraid of AIDS (in spite of being very LGBT supportive of Clayton) so much so she marks all cups Rose used with an "R," Rose is of course beside herself with grief and has emotional out-bursts a few times. Blanche, in my opinion, has probably one the most interesting dynamics with Rose in this episode that she has ever had throughout most of the series. In one of Rose's meltdowns, Rose lets it slip that she's angry in particular that Blanche never appeared to have gone through an HIV scare (Blanche later corrects her), and that it's not fair that she had to go through it because, quote, "I'm a good person!" and brings up how Blanche has slept with tons of men. Blanche's best quote in the series I think was in this episode, "AIDS is not a bad person's disease, Rose; it's not God punishing people for their sins!"
If you like The Golden Girls you might enjoy the British TV series Vicious. It stars two of the U.K.’s finest openly gay actors Ian McKellan and Derek Jacobi. They play an elderly gay couple named Freddie and Stuart who have been together for over 50 years and endure a Love-Hate relationship with them constantly hurling insults at each other. It’s very funny and enjoyable and I like how it shows that gay people can maintain long-term monogamous relationships. Check it out.
Awesome video Matt!! I love hearing you speak about beloved TV shows and contextualize the gay meaning behind episode plots and the prevailing culture at the time. Could you do an episode about gay, Jewish themes in TV and movies?
Idk why but whenever I'm anxious I always watch those videos?? Something about Matts demeanour and ignorant tv characters learning things calms me down
Didn't Sophia have a son who liked to wear women's clothing who sadly eventually dies? I wondered what your take on that is. I watched the episode and even as someone who is straight, it made me cry.
I have just rediscovered this show - I was too young before to understand how amazing, progressive and courageous it was - the fact that it still resonate today and is still relevant is a testament to its greatness. It's sad to think we've lost all our golden girls save for Lady Betty White, but she compensate for the lost of the three others.
I'm so proud that Ireland became the first country in the world to overwhelmingly support gay marriage in a popular vote. My kids were young at the time and I explained what rhe vote was about and they totally accepted it. My son actually said he didn't understand why gay people even needed to ask permission, bless him. Anyway, I'm learning so much from this channel. I don't always get it right but I'm trying and I'm educating myself. I grew up in the 80's and this channel makes me realise how much we were bombarded with negative gay tropes. Thanks for the eye opening videos . ❤
Good job, I am sure mama Ru would say something like: "Matty your look this week made me want to Sail Away with you, and it wasn't just about the seamen ;) " Good work as usual with the episode.
I love these because there are no other film analysis channels breaking down gay history in tv and film like this. Perhaps you can explore trans and drag in tv history as well.
Ahh, and Monte Markham did a DS9 episode apparently, so I think my memory just kinda fused him with Peter Mark Richman (Ralph Offenhouse in that TNG episode)
I really think this episode challenged people in a good way. Each of us may have some prejudices that we ignorantly hold on to. It's hard to be completely accepting of people when they challenge your preconceptions. It should be universal, though. Love is always love. It is brave and beautiful to love, and the only way to do it is boldly, and unconstitutionally. Great job, Matt. I am so happy I found your great channel.
Yes this was put together 2 years ago but 3 events helped me learn about people. #: I was a nurse during the 80s and had the opportunity to work on AIDS/HIV ward, amazing nen and women and due to the times were horribly maligned for being ill, being "different". #2 My daughter and I lived in Sacramento and I met the next door neighbors. My toddler had learned how to open the front door and walked outside, one of the men heard me yelling for my child and he found her peering through their window. They became good friends and volunteered for child care when needed. They moved to Canada to marry. #3 Family married a woman whose mother came out just after the wedding. She was lovely, sweet and yes I loved her. She and her partner were part of the first legal marriages in Sacramento Country. Yes, a long story but labels cause problems. People marry, love, live, LGBTQ, straight, who cares. People are just that...people.
My uncle Paul was Gay. He died of auto immune syndrome complications in 1996 aged 40. So I saw first hand all his struggles with acceptance. Saw all the jokes and intolerance of others. I still talk to his former boyfriend. He is family to us. Hopefully we can move past all this intolerance that seems to have reared its ugly head again. I can only lead by example. Pointing out bigotry and supporting my friends who are gay.
A woman who is a virgin is controlled by her dad. A woman who is married is controlled by her husband. As widows the GG were able to break free of the restrictions imposed on them earlier in life. They had an easier time as elderly women sleeping around than they would have had at 20 or 30 or 40.
Matt Baume I love THE GOLDEN GIRLS. There were so many great episodes that had to deal with a lot of taboo things at the time. The girls, All in the family, The Jeffersons etc made so many great points
I was stuffed in the closet when these episodes aired. I have since come out and gotten married to a guy. I still love the episodes, especially the line "Cheesecake, Ma!"
As forward-thinking as the show could be on gay issues, it annoyed me that it had a long way to go when it came to trans people. A running gag in the show was Dorothy's never-seen crossdressing brother Phil, which I always thought the show's writers relied upon too much for a cheap laugh. It would have been nice if we could have seen him now and then--it would have served to humanize him, to make him more than just a throwaway line. On that subject, have you ever thought about doing a history of trans portrayals on television? Starting in the seventies, there were a surprisingly large number of storylines, especially after Renee Richards' story went public. Episodes of "All In The Family," "Soap," "The Jeffersons", and "Night Court", among others, dealt with the subject with varying degrees of success.
@@MattBaume the first time I saw it reflected as not a complete joke was on the drew carry show. it started out as a joke. but the cross dressing brother fell in low with meemee and they had a baby. that was a turning point it wasn't trans necessarly but. before that there was a lot of homophobia around it and that cross dressers as they were called or drag queens where exclusivily into men and perhaps trying to trick men into that they were women the idea that a hedrosexual man would want to wear dresses and a painted face. it clearly started out as a joke but when the climate became more excepting of lgbtq the humanized him and i think the pairing of two people wearing excessive make up being attracted to each other was a big deal. there was no signs that i remember that hinted at meemee being attracted to women. I do think we might be do for a show where someone is trans and transitioning but in the drew carry show it just seemed like they were seperating the idea of gender identy gender roles and expression and sexual orintation. at that point I don't think people were quite ready for trans.
I love Golden girls. Though it does in fact remind me of such a scary time. My brother came of age during the 80s, as a very out gay man. While I still think it was the height of gay art and culture, it was shadowed with such fear of Aids and lots of death. So many feelings come rushing back.
Gah...I remember those days...I was just a teen, also in the Military, very, very closeted...and I did NOT like it that these types of shows were on, because I was SURE that it would lead people to suspect me. That’s sad...in hindsight. I wouldn’t come out for almost 8 more years...and between that time I joined a Pentecostal church and I buried myself in religion to hide from myself. I hated my 20s. Worst decade of adulthood for me.
Now having watched more of this video...while my parents eventually accepted me for who I am...they never, ever embraced the idea of gay marriage. Never. My mother died of cancer in 2017, and the last time the subject ever came up, she said that she accepted me for being gay, but that if I decided to get married, I’d have to just exclude her, because she would not attend, nor would I be able to ever have a man with me in their home (overnight). She just could not accept the intricacies of gay relationships. To her, the gay issue was an abstract idea to her. If you broached the details, she would shut down.
I recall one of my best friends in University in the 80s, trying to come out to his parents, he was the only boy of five siblings, the youngest, Filipino and Catholic.
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I love this!! I “married” my wife in 1995 and married her again, legally after SCOTUS legalized gay marriage. We just celebrated our wedding anniversary of both ceremonies in September.
Congratulations
Congratulations, Kara Sheehan! That's a wonderful story to hear in a TH-cam comment. Wish you many more years together! Never been married and am pushing 40. Am hoping that I can resolve matters between my boyfriend and I so we can do the same one day. Society has been extremely and needlessly hard on LGBTQ+ communities and individuals. And am glad Golden Girls faced people's fears and misunderstandings of LGBTQ+ people at such critical times-all while remaining sympathetic.
congrats on 25 years
Congrats QUEENS
Congrats! I hope you to are still together and doing well!
The whole concept of the show was progressive 4 senior women having sexual relationships and unapologetic. I wish we had shows exploring this issue. That's why I love Grace and Frankie
Oh I never thought of it that way but yes Grace and Frankie does share a lot with The Golden Girls!
it was also a bit unrealistic, but still loved it nevertheless. I don't know about others, but I have not met any women their age who were this active, and I work with older people, so I do meet a lot.
@@sandiego2380 I've met a few, but definitely few and far between. Considering Florida has a larger Retiree population than most places, I always just assumed that accounted for a larger population of them there.
I've just realized... as a straight woman who watched Golden Girls when she was just entering her teens and growing up in a caholic, traditionalist country, I think I have greatly underestimated how much influence this show had on me and on my social perspectives as an adult. And I should give thanks for that.
I used to watch it as a kid in the 80s and didn't understand alot of the issues and humor, now that I'm an adult I love this show and it teaches alot about acceptance and tolerance
You are welcome. I also learned a lot from these stories when i was a kid. Back in 1970s decade.
Darn evil liberal media agenda making us love each other
Ferintosh Farms Photography Right? Why do conservatives worry so much about who people love?
@@melodyrichardson5051 don't worry. I am so worried that i am thinking about how we used to be. Back in those days, we didn't have tv so much. We loved it.
Now that tv is here, it seems to be not good. But i still love Spongebob Squarepants.
There was a lot of good stuff in here. I just want to point out that a show about “sweet little old ladies” did stuff like this so well because they made the characters so much more than “sweet little old ladies”. They broke down barriers for seniors, because they presented them as dynamic, well rounded characters with distinct personalities, values and interests.
I think it only made sense that they did the same for other issues.
I guess what I’m trying to say is they deserve a better title than “little old ladies”.
I'd also like to point out that three of the main characters are in their 50s, I believe. It's not young, many might argue beyond middle age, but they're still very much in the midst of their active lives and I think "little old ladies" is a bit of an exaggeration.
@@samos4924 That's bothered me when I discovered that. I know people around that age, and no one call them little old ladies.
@@samos4924 Actually they were in their 60s, only Rue was in her 50s and Estelle was playing an 80 year old. I guess the think he tried to say in the video was that "the people might have though of them as little old ladies", but they were so much more than that.
I agree! Calling them little old ladies is SO tone deaf. Let’s do better.
The "what did you mean when you said you could accept my being gay?" speech is so fucking real. I feel that in my bones.
My mom so needs to fucking hear it.
That's exactly where she is, "I love my gay son" but the instant I acknowledge dating anyone of any gender, it's "that's not okay," and stern disapproval.
I hear that...I tried to take my mom to out fest with me the year I came out just to see if my mom could really handle it and although she was going to go...I could see it all over her that she really wasn’t interested not to mention that she said she would just stay the car the whole time told me everything that I needed to know
I think partly the reason Blanche was so willing to accept Clayton was because he’s probably one of the only members of her family who she’s close with. She’s not close with either of a sisters and she hadn’t spoke to her daughter for years until she came to visit. The only members of the family she hasn’t seem to had a real falling out with is her Dad and her Brother. She doesn’t want to lose Clayton.
She has a son Matthew, far as I know he was only mentioned once Blanche said he was a CPA.
That guy playing the brother has an amazing voice
That's Monte Markham!
IKR south gentleman make me swoon
"although Rue McClanahan often did" - thank you for that one line of dialogue and that picture. I was hoping that you would say something about that. She was an advocate for the LGBT community. There are a lot of us heterosexuals who are allies. She was one of them
I'm not sure why but tears sprang to my eyes at 11:10 - "You're in control. Stand your ground. Take pride in whom you love and don't let anyone make you feel ashamed. If your family can't accept you, they don't deserve to have you in their lives." I really do think these episodes had an impact, especially on my grandmother's generation. My mother told her I wasn't straight a couple of years ago and I was shocked by her tolerance.
Ashley Peterson ...I always prefer the word ‘acceptance ‘ over ‘tolerance ‘.
Maybe it’s a minor matter to some, but personally, I don’t want to be tolerated.
It sounds too much like I am something unpleasant being put up with.
@@renzo6490 "It's intolerable being tolerated." -Henrik from A Little Night Music
@@johngrimes5852 ..Zackly. thanks
"Maybe you've seen this episode of the Golden Girls..." or maybe you've seen this and every other episode of the Golden Girls at least 100 times
willcwhite haha!! That’s meeee
willcwhite Many years ago a friend and I attended gay Mensa (potluck) gatherings in San Francisco. We always watched Golden Girls when it came on. Eat. GG. Chat.
There better have been cheesecake. *wink*
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Right? Maybe I have every line of every episode memorized. Maybe I also know every line of Golden Palace. Maybe...
I always loved the Golden Girls - and there is an episode about dementia, that was very well handled... So: They were very progressive. For a sitcom.
someone else mentioned how they broke barriers with an episode about dementia. it was a gentleman that sophia seemed to like and keep company with in the park. his daughter would watch to see that he was ok and then dorothy came by to watch as well. and for the record, the man was black but that was not even an issue. it's really a beautfiul espisode
That episode makes me cry every time, especially since my mom's dementia diagnosis. It's extremely kind and understanding, and that they made it at all warms my heart to this day.
"...Rose, who puts on full make up and jewelry to read a cat magazine alone by herself." I might be way off base here but I notice that with a lot of people in that age group. My own grandma is 90 and she does her hair, make up and jewelry everyday even if she just sits and watches TV. It was a mind set of something a person just *did* when she got up. And I could never imagine my late grandpa lounging around in his pajamas watching a movie on the couch. He'd watch a movie on the couch, but he'd be fully dressed, shaved and put together to do it.
"They'll think it's Tuesday!"
I am dead!!!
Sophia is a roast machine.
My favorite reoccurring character on GG was Clayton. I just found him to be such a gentleman.
Matt + that outfit + Golden Girls = Awesome!
Fantastic episode ! Thanks for making me love the show even more . Hell, I was married to a woman when they aired . Lordy that was awkward .
Are you going to do the Friends episode “ The One with the Lesbian Wedding”? That might’ve been one of the first TV shows to have a same-sex wedding in an episode which isn’t surprising seeing as how Co-Creator of Friends David Crane is openly gay. I like how Ross is initially against the wedding of his ex-wife because he’s never really come to terms that his wife came out as a lesbian but then when she’s thinking about canceling the wedding because her parents won’t be there he tells her to go through with it and even walks her down the aisle. It’s pretty ahead of its time in that retrospect.
P.S. I love Lisa Kudrow. She is hilarious.
it was an incredible episode to watch for me as a brazilian, in here the first gay wedding on TV aired only in 2014
I don’t think he’s really that homophobic. I think he would have a very similar reaction if his wife left him for another man. It’s just hard for him to come to terms with the fact that the woman he loved and wanted to spend his life with didn’t want the same. His reaction seems like any normal person’s reaction in that situation.
Yeah, there's quite a bit of homophobia in Friends, especially toward the end of the series run. The constant harping on Chandler for not being "manly enough", for example. In fact, the latter years of the show take a nearly conservative viewpoint in regard to gender roles.
Friends was misogynistic, homophobic and transphobic. It made me uncomfortable when I first watched it. It still makes me uncomfortable.
Friends managed to reverse all the good work done by series like Maude and the Golden Girls.
Blanche is like many people, even some now, that it's ok for their friends and acquaintances to be LGBTQ just not their family members.
I love learning about lgbt history, so thank you for all the videos you make. Its not something everyone learns about in school, the only time we learned anything about it was when we watched MILK. so thank you again.
Have you considered doing an episode on Queer As Folk (US version)? I know that series really had a cultural impact in the 2000s... and a huge impact on my life, too.
Clayton got himself a hot husband. Yum.
I'm pretty sure the reason Dorothy claps her hand over Sophia's mouth is because he was setting her up for a joke. Doug said "he'd bend over backwards for me" and Sophia was probably about to say "He'd been over forwards too!"
The mouth covering is funnier than anything Sophia could have said- comedy gold!
Love your content.
Side note...like rose, my grandmother put on an outfit, jewellery and makeup every single day until her passing...and she didnt leave the house....
But someone could stop by ANYTIME and that's how women then did it...and I try to have a little part of that self pride she had in today's world by not wearing spandex everyday.
Hell, family still rejects you if you come out today.
That is so terrible and I cant believe families are still stuck there. My prayers go out to them. Oh yes I am a Christian but I dont condone alot of churches perspective on homosexuality.
I watched these episodes in reruns with my kids....and it was after one of these episodes that my eldest informed me “Mom, instead of being your son, I want to be your daughter. Is that ok?” And, I took a page out of Sophia’s book and said “as long as you are happy, I am happy. May I name you what you what you would have been named as daughter #2, please?” To which he replied “sure, if I like it” LOL!!!!!! I actually showed her my baby names....boys were Michael, Mathew & Jonathan. Girls were Jenna, Michaela & Hannah. I said Michaela-And as a nickname, we will still call you Mike. She’s been my Michaela for 4 years now, in a wonderful relationship with her fiancé Rebecca. Cracks me up when my Mom says “would be so much easier if Mike was just Gay” and I have to remind Mom that Mike is, technically. I’m glad I found this channel 😉
Yes i know. They forget that we are all going to be dead. They do not follow the teachings of their own religion. Finally i quit talking with them so much. It breaks my heart.
Richard Portman *hugs* I’m so sorry!!! It shouldn’t matter with family. Families should love each other without judgement. We have accepted many kids that have been tossed aside when they have opened up to their parents. I’d be honored to welcome you into our family as well!! 🤗
Which is such a terrible shame.
This episode is what I contribute my mom accepting me and being able to break down the barrier for us to have the most amazing relationship!
Can you do a video about Dorothy's brother Phil? He is never on screen, but often talked about as being different, and the family black sheep. And eventually it is said that he cross dresses. Then there is the episode about his funeral, we meet his wife and everyone is shocked that Phil wanted to be buried in a nighty. The widow, I can't remember her name, helps Sophia come to turns with, and finally accept Phil for who he was. At lest during that episode, after words he goes back to being the but of jokes, but I would really like your thoughts on this character.
YES! "Revenge of the Ebb Tide" is one of the best and most touching GG episodes. "What he was, Sophia, was a good man..." *sniff*
Annie Sap Brenda Vaccaro plays Phil's wife and oh man, she is SOOOO good at it. And Sophia breaks your heard wide open at the end... "My baby is dead!"
The question of Phil would be a great subject to tackle. It's very puzzling and I wonder if they killed him off to put an end to what was a sort of problematic quandary. They let him go with dignity (as much as you can with a sitcom) and that was lovely.
So Matt has not done a show about that episode I was looking for Matt's episode about Phil
The way he says it is killer. “Yeah, I’m GAY Rose.” Perfect.
I love your videos about Golden Girls, when I first watched the show I thought the way they handled lgbt arcs was bad, but it is just outdated. It's fascinanting to learn about lgbt history in media and the impact they had. Thank you so much, Matt.
im watching the culture cruise playlist and keep being impressed by the thoroughness of the contextualization. in theory i know enough of the history of the AIDS crisis to know how important these shows were at the time, but i wasnt alive then so it's not always my immediate focus. this is such a good way of keeping the history alive!
I stumbled on this video today and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing to light how hard coming out was in the late '80s. I was just coming of age and taking baby steps of self acceptance then, and January of 1990, in my senior year, I was so fearful that students from my school had found out I was gay and were plotting something against me (something I later found out wasn't even true) that I attempted suicide and ultimately dropped out of high school and became homeless for fear of violence against me. I was able to get back on track and went to college a year later, and soon I found myself emboldened to come out. I first made friends in Campus Crusade for Christ, but as I became more sure of who I was I was actually excommunicated - literally - from the group. They were all told to avoid me and cut off all communication, and they ALL did as they were told. Meanwhile, I came out in a big way, and at first I was the only out gay male at school. Besides me, there was one out female at the time, and her presence and visibility gave me courage to be out myself. This started a sort of snowball effect with people who were part of the closeted membership of the gay alliance, and within a year nearly 10 of us came out and marched in our small college town's Saint Patrick's Day Parade to announce that we were here, and queer, and that everybody better get used to it! The following year we all formed a speaker's group to go out to all the dorms and Greek houses to talk frankly and to dispel any misconceptions about what it was to be gay. Quickly the cultural tide started to turn - with Absolutely Fabulous, Ellen, and then Will and Grace picking up where Golden Girls left off. Anyway, I know that many gay generations had it far worse than we did, but living on the cusp of acceptance was not a passive place to be...well not for most of us anyway. We took pride in the work so many queer generations did since Stonewall, we spoke out, and we fought to take our place as equals among our peers. All this being said, Golden Girls most definitely was key in opening a dialog with my family and friends once the coming out process for me began. EVERYONE at that time watched Golden Girls, and their response to the show let us know on which side of the aisle they stood. The show's influence was and is deep and far reaching. As for you, kudos on putting together a great episode. You have a new subscriber!
So that's why you were asking if anybody had a sailors outfit
Uh yeah that's the ticket sure
I just wanted to say I'm so crazy addicted to your videos... I can't stop watching (& re-watching, & re-re-watching) them. Your content is great!
Golden girls brought up so many issues that were so progressive for the time. Props to them.
Love this dive into nostalgia. If you grew up in the 80’s or 90’s you knew the golden girls.
I love seeing your perspective on this. Keep up the good work.
Yay! Videos like this are what I subscribed to you for, so I’m glad to see them continue! I like your news videos too, but these are a lot of fun to watch.
Thanks! I love doing these too.
My mom took care of her best friend Adrian who caught AIDS very quickly. He essentially died in her arms because he was gay and he wasnt allowed in hospice.
I never got a chance to meet him. My mom remembers you everyday A! I hope you're watching us from that big beautiful gay heaven up there!
Matt, I've been enjoying your videos. You explain things with such clarity and compassion. Keep up the good work of educating.
I had such a crush on Clayton's partner back in the day.
That mustache! It's very distinctive.
It's exactly why I wanted to kiss him!
oh yeah he was a major daddy
"Isn't Danny Thomas one?"
"Not 'Lebanese', Blanche...'lesbian'!"
Thanks.... Had no idea National Coming Out day started the year I came out. Explains so much LOL
The Golden Girls, a show focussing on elderly women, was the most progressive US show of its time. It showed ageing as a joyful, even if tedious at times, experience, women being active, sexually active, past the age of 60, and was fiercely pro-ga, when it really was not trendy.
As a gay man I will never forget what they did for people, for us!
This is an outstanding series of videos.
The "bend over backwards for me" joke, and feel free to tell me I am the only one who thought this, was more about Sophia's lack of filter and Dorothy preventing her from saying something like "Well why not? You've been bending over in the bedroom for him!" (Or something implying similar activity, but better written, of course) By this time it was well established that Sophia could expose the veiled, skewer the hypocritical, and sometimes even heal. *Not* having her say whatever biting hilarity or vulgarity was floating to the top of her mind allowed the audience to... fill in the blank with their most wild imagination. So I never worried about the physics because it would not have meant a thing if he had not been a DuBois. Because almost any thing to do with a DuBois (99% of the time) had something to do with sex/sexuality.
Sophia: Well, at least he's flexible.
I didn't know I could love Golden Girls anymore than I already do. Great job!!!
I just discovered your channel, and I'm loving it! And while I've seen every Golden Girls episode multiple times, it wasn't until watching this video and seeing when these aired that I realized how the timing of the one of these episodes fit so perfectly in my own life.
A week before "Sister of the Bride" aired, I had finally come out to my girlfriend of 2-1/2 years, and the night it aired, she was giving me an earful about how hurt she was that I hadn't told her and saying how I had led her on. I don't remember when I finally got to see the episode, but both Clayton episodes were definitely part of my coming out experience.
Thanks again for the channel, and I'm looking forward to a lot of catching up!
Golden girls seems like a must watch honestly
Just found your channel and I'm working through the archive. Loving it! A quick comment regarding your mention of the pilot episode, specifically the gay houseboy. The character was indeed dropped once the show went to series, but there's no evidence it was due to his homosexuality. The pilot made it crystal clear that its success was built on the chemistry between the four actresses, and a fifth character did not fit into that dynamic. (The proof of this hypothesis is the fact that the show never added another regular character throughout its run). And someone in the writers' room probably noted that, if these women had a full-time servant, any future plotline regarding the Girls' struggles with finances would have rung hollow.
Ok I found your commentary welcomed and well thought out. I am going to check a few more of your videos out. I love the golden girls and they have covered several major issues over the series. Thanks for point out these episodes and where America was at opinionwise at the time. Keep up the good work my friend! 😊 😀 😁
Thanks! Glad you like the videos.
Rest in Peace to all the golden girls ♥️
DUDE - this is an OUTSTANDING VIDEO in every way, shape and form! Thank you for posting it for millions of people to see and enjoy!!!!
Sometimes, the dumbest characters on a show, have the most logic and heart
Your research and narration is so good. Love how you put everything together in your videos
Aww thanks for watching! :D
Matt, your videos are educational and empowering. Thank you.
As a bisexual man, I love your channel. I know I’m not gay fully, but I love seeing the older shows and your discussion, your series is so fantastic!
God you're cute 😂. You know you can be gay or bi or straight and enjoy these videos
I hope at some point you will do a "look back" at the ground breaking Showtime Sitcom "Brothers" in the mid 1980's. It dealt with AIDS, gay bashing, coming out and other issues that could only be talked about on Cable TV at the time. I got to meet Philip Charles MacKenzie (who played Donald Maltby) at a Gay Pride Event in New Orleans and even corresponded with him afterwards.
I've been binge watching this series, and I just have to say I really appreciate the context you provide of the time period. Very well researched and extremely informative. Cheers!
Love this! Can't wait to see more episodes
Thanks! Let me know if there are other shows/movies/games/etc you want to see me cover.
Just discovered this channel :) How have I lived without it? 😱
Thanks for the great content. Not only for this video but for all your videos.
Aww thank you for watching!
Season 5 - Episode 19 "72 Hours" was the AIDS/HIV episode, and it was I think extremely vital that the writers of the show chose NOT to dissect it through the lens of gay men/homosexuality. They instead chose Rose, who was at risk due to a cross-contaminated blood transfusion. It's fascinating as well because all 4 women have very different viewpoints on the situation. Dorothy is of course the calm and rational one, Sophia unfortunately regresses to being afraid of AIDS (in spite of being very LGBT supportive of Clayton) so much so she marks all cups Rose used with an "R," Rose is of course beside herself with grief and has emotional out-bursts a few times. Blanche, in my opinion, has probably one the most interesting dynamics with Rose in this episode that she has ever had throughout most of the series. In one of Rose's meltdowns, Rose lets it slip that she's angry in particular that Blanche never appeared to have gone through an HIV scare (Blanche later corrects her), and that it's not fair that she had to go through it because, quote, "I'm a good person!" and brings up how Blanche has slept with tons of men. Blanche's best quote in the series I think was in this episode, "AIDS is not a bad person's disease, Rose; it's not God punishing people for their sins!"
I think it's really cool how you introduced your Patreon with a patron shout-out.
If you like The Golden Girls you might enjoy the British TV series Vicious. It stars two of the U.K.’s finest openly gay actors Ian McKellan and Derek Jacobi. They play an elderly gay couple named Freddie and Stuart who have been together for over 50 years and endure a Love-Hate relationship with them constantly hurling insults at each other. It’s very funny and enjoyable and I like how it shows that gay people can maintain long-term monogamous relationships. Check it out.
Awesome video Matt!! I love hearing you speak about beloved TV shows and contextualize the gay meaning behind episode plots and the prevailing culture at the time. Could you do an episode about gay, Jewish themes in TV and movies?
Idk why but whenever I'm anxious I always watch those videos?? Something about Matts demeanour and ignorant tv characters learning things calms me down
Love this series! Thanks Matt!
Didn't Sophia have a son who liked to wear women's clothing who sadly eventually dies? I wondered what your take on that is. I watched the episode and even as someone who is straight, it made me cry.
yay you're back! more on sitcoms please.
I have just rediscovered this show - I was too young before to understand how amazing, progressive and courageous it was - the fact that it still resonate today and is still relevant is a testament to its greatness. It's sad to think we've lost all our golden girls save for Lady Betty White, but she compensate for the lost of the three others.
I'm so proud that Ireland became the first country in the world to overwhelmingly support gay marriage in a popular vote. My kids were young at the time and I explained what rhe vote was about and they totally accepted it. My son actually said he didn't understand why gay people even needed to ask permission, bless him. Anyway, I'm learning so much from this channel. I don't always get it right but I'm trying and I'm educating myself. I grew up in the 80's and this channel makes me realise how much we were bombarded with negative gay tropes. Thanks for the eye opening videos . ❤
You look adorable in your little sailor outfit
Haha thank you, it's the flimsiest of Halloween costumes and I had to do a little sewing to get it to fit right!
Good job, I am sure mama Ru would say something like: "Matty your look this week made me want to Sail Away with you, and it wasn't just about the seamen ;) "
Good work as usual with the episode.
Matt Baume grrrrr...hot sailor outfit.m
Matt Baume ❤️❤️
Thanks Gary Cannon!
More of these please!
Aw thanks! I'm planning to do them monthly for now -- let me know if there are other topics you want to see me cover!
I love these because there are no other film analysis channels breaking down gay history in tv and film like this. Perhaps you can explore trans and drag in tv history as well.
Thank you for posting this video, Matt!
“They’ll think it’s Tuesday!” 🤣🤣😆
Alright Baume, this is the third video I've watched and enjoyed. That's a sub for me. Good up the good work!
Hey thanks!
I'm a trans woman and always had a crush on Betty White.
Rightfully so.
Clayton has an awesome voice.
...wait, is Clayton's actor also the frozen 20th century financier from that Star trek TNG episode?
Oh he's got the exact same TV-southern accent!
Ahh, and Monte Markham did a DS9 episode apparently, so I think my memory just kinda fused him with
Peter Mark Richman (Ralph Offenhouse in that TNG episode)
Oh, I really like your channel and also sitcoms from '90
I really think this episode challenged people in a good way. Each of us may have some prejudices that we ignorantly hold on to. It's hard to be completely accepting of people when they challenge your preconceptions. It should be universal, though. Love is always love. It is brave and beautiful to love, and the only way to do it is boldly, and unconstitutionally.
Great job, Matt. I am so happy I found your great channel.
Yes this was put together 2 years ago but 3 events helped me learn about people. #: I was a nurse during the 80s and had the opportunity to work on AIDS/HIV ward, amazing nen and women and due to the times were horribly maligned for being ill, being "different". #2 My daughter and I lived in Sacramento and I met the next door neighbors. My toddler had learned how to open the front door and walked outside, one of the men heard me yelling for my child and he found her peering through their window. They became good friends and volunteered for child care when needed. They moved to Canada to marry. #3 Family married a woman whose mother came out just after the wedding. She was lovely, sweet and yes I loved her. She and her partner were part of the first legal marriages in Sacramento Country. Yes, a long story but labels cause problems. People marry, love, live, LGBTQ, straight, who cares. People are just that...people.
I love this channel, I'm having so much fun
My uncle Paul was Gay. He died of auto immune syndrome complications in 1996 aged 40. So I saw first hand all his struggles with acceptance. Saw all the jokes and intolerance of others. I still talk to his former boyfriend. He is family to us. Hopefully we can move past all this intolerance that seems to have reared its ugly head again. I can only lead by example. Pointing out bigotry and supporting my friends who are gay.
Bravo- I enjoy each of these segments
Hey thanks! Glad you're enjoying the videos. They're super fun to make!
A woman who is a virgin is controlled by her dad. A woman who is married is controlled by her husband. As widows the GG were able to break free of the restrictions imposed on them earlier in life. They had an easier time as elderly women sleeping around than they would have had at 20 or 30 or 40.
The nanny also had the "oh. oh! oh?" bit when fran was explaining to maggie that her crush was gay.
Matt Baume I love THE GOLDEN GIRLS. There were so many great episodes that had to deal with a lot of taboo things at the time. The girls, All in the family, The Jeffersons etc made so many great points
I was stuffed in the closet when these episodes aired. I have since come out and gotten married to a guy. I still love the episodes, especially the line "Cheesecake, Ma!"
This was very informative, thank you.
As forward-thinking as the show could be on gay issues, it annoyed me that it had a long way to go when it came to trans people. A running gag in the show was Dorothy's never-seen crossdressing brother Phil, which I always thought the show's writers relied upon too much for a cheap laugh. It would have been nice if we could have seen him now and then--it would have served to humanize him, to make him more than just a throwaway line.
On that subject, have you ever thought about doing a history of trans portrayals on television? Starting in the seventies, there were a surprisingly large number of storylines, especially after Renee Richards' story went public. Episodes of "All In The Family," "Soap," "The Jeffersons", and "Night Court", among others, dealt with the subject with varying degrees of success.
I'd love to do videos about trans portrayal! There's SO much to say. But in order to do that video right, I still have a lot of learning to do.
If there's anything you need help with, I'd be glad to assist.
@@MattBaume the first time I saw it reflected as not a complete joke was on the drew carry show. it started out as a joke. but the cross dressing brother fell in low with meemee and they had a baby. that was a turning point it wasn't trans necessarly but. before that there was a lot of homophobia around it and that cross dressers as they were called or drag queens where exclusivily into men and perhaps trying to trick men into that they were women the idea that a hedrosexual man would want to wear dresses and a painted face. it clearly started out as a joke but when the climate became more excepting of lgbtq the humanized him and i think the pairing of two people wearing excessive make up being attracted to each other was a big deal. there was no signs that i remember that hinted at meemee being attracted to women. I do think we might be do for a show where someone is trans and transitioning but in the drew carry show it just seemed like they were seperating the idea of gender identy gender roles and expression and sexual orintation. at that point I don't think people were quite ready for trans.
Love your channel!
Your breakdowns help me with kind and easily digestible talking points for my very conservative parents.
I love Golden girls. Though it does in fact remind me of such a scary time. My brother came of age during the 80s, as a very out gay man. While I still think it was the height of gay art and culture, it was shadowed with such fear of Aids and lots of death. So many feelings come rushing back.
yeeeeeeees more culture cruise! talk about friends :)
great vid, love those golden girls
Blanches reluctant acceptance is flawless. It fits a realistic growth cycle and feels natural
Gah...I remember those days...I was just a teen, also in the Military, very, very closeted...and I did NOT like it that these types of shows were on, because I was SURE that it would lead people to suspect me. That’s sad...in hindsight. I wouldn’t come out for almost 8 more years...and between that time I joined a Pentecostal church and I buried myself in religion to hide from myself. I hated my 20s. Worst decade of adulthood for me.
Now having watched more of this video...while my parents eventually accepted me for who I am...they never, ever embraced the idea of gay marriage. Never. My mother died of cancer in 2017, and the last time the subject ever came up, she said that she accepted me for being gay, but that if I decided to get married, I’d have to just exclude her, because she would not attend, nor would I be able to ever have a man with me in their home (overnight). She just could not accept the intricacies of gay relationships. To her, the gay issue was an abstract idea to her. If you broached the details, she would shut down.
I recall one of my best friends in University in the 80s, trying to come out to his parents, he was the only boy of five siblings, the youngest, Filipino and Catholic.
And here, in Canada, it was legalised in 2005 :)
I see why gay guys or people in general like this host... hes personable and is adorable in that outfit