I HAD TO MAX STATS, AND HP, AND GET REALLY SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT, YOU GUYS HAVE NO IDEA HOW TEDIOUS THIS WAS, I'M JUST GLAD IT'S HERE! AND THANKS TO CTOBN AND THE PSMT DISCORD FOR HELPING!
Tuviee, how are you maxing stats / equipment in the dlc? Obviously in the base game you would fight the reaper for money and trade them in for materials to buy stat cards for personas and party members, but what’s the Strat in the dlc? I’m currently just grinding out by confusing enemies and if you can’t tell it SUCKS!
4:51 Imagine Joker's reaction to Aigis summoning Johanna, he goes, "Hey, why are you using Makoto's Persona?" Then Aigis says, "Do not mention his name!"
Goes to show that Atlus pays attention to all those cheese strats people come up with for their other super bosses. I don't mind a boss where I have to work for my win rather than just overwhelming with pure force as much fun as that can be.
Being on the recieving end of takeover must feel like the most brutal and humiliating experience like when you ambush shadows in P5R. Also Reload using Royal joker means atlus sees Royal as the definitive P5 which i love to see. P5 Arena with Sumi and Akechi when?
@@danielmayonaka8818 this is actually because the fight is literally completely different on heartless, fun fact (different enemy internally, with a different AI and different skills)
Wait, he's immune to crits on Heartless?? No wonder I was making zero progress there I just thought I was unlucky. If only the game told us what the rules of its fights were but I guess that would just be too kind. Also you mention in the description that Joker is the hardest newsona boss in Merciless, who would you say is second or also notable?
I wouldn’t even put Satan on this list. Satan is just bloated with HP and isn’t restricted on damage output for moves. Whereas both Joker and Demi-Fiend and even Elizabeth both punish you for doing too much in a single move. (I haven’t fought Satan yet, this is just what I know from my friends who have)
@@hunterkun7746 starting the fight one shotting you is not nice, tbh. Also demi fiend doesn't restrict how much damage you do on a single turn, but if you negate ir reflect phys
@@hunterkun7746 While indeed Satan has much more health (I one shotted demi fiend but had to two shot satan), but with satan is some sort of russian roulette of him using Megiddo Ark and one shotting one of your demons, if he his Nahobino 3 times you ded. I mean tbh there are easy ways to cheese him (well once you grinded enough)
Honestly people shit on Junpei but i think he is my fav character in the answer dlc. Although crit doesnt work in heartless for this match. His dps in general is so high.
@@Sunaru6914 No she is easy af to beat compared to some of the superbosses cooked up in SMT and there were ways to cheese her as persona isn't usually a hard series nowadays ever since 3.
Blaze of Life is OP. Magic theurgy damage ranking for party members with max gear is Blaze of Life -> Electric Onslaught -> Divine Retribution -> Hound of Hades -> Blizzard Edge -> Lightning Spike -> Cyclone Arrow -> Blade of Execution.
@@24hr-Gaming This is inaccurate 1. Blaze of Life 2. Electric Onslaught 3. Blizzard Edge (keep in mind the magic ability weapon) 4. Divine Retribution 5. Hound of Hades/Cyclone Arrow 7. Lightning Spike 8. Blade of Execution
I think you gotta max out every single thing that enables you to survive. And on top of that, divine pillar, otherwise an unguarded member would be killed instantaneously with the first megidolaon. Props to you bro. You have defeated one of the hardest boss fights in the history.
you dont need that i defeated im in merciless with almost base hp (but all stats at 99) but in turn 1 you must use matarunda to take less than 500 in the megidolan turn. The battle is longer but doable
I've tried to get to him, but there was a Lion in one of the monads that kept healing for 800 every turn and I couldn't do more than that on my turn because he had resistance to literally everything (yes, I even tried to put in the lowest difficulty - not even level 85 party is enough) so I just gave up on this section of the game. How do you guy even do this impresses me.
With that lion, there is a snake, right? That snake can steal 2000 hp of the lion to heal himself, so, in order to beat them, you have to damage the snake without killing him, the snake steals 2000 from the lion, and you have to repeat that until its over.
You either do as the Internet says, keeping the snake being low on health to gradually kill the lion or being as stupid as myself trying to armageddon it twice.
Same reason as I didn't use phys in general, in heartless Joker can't be critted, so losing that 2.01x is huge, and then you consider that Aigis can use magic ability and magic mastery, junpei loses access to crit amp and metis can't use sister amp at all, all the best damage options turn into magic for once
Could someone explain me why they qre fighting Joker?- I've seen various videos but i don't know much about persona 3 lore, much less the DLC. In fact, i just beat Okumura's palace in Persona 5. Also, where's the blue haired protagonist?- Well, the main question, how, lore wise, are they fighting Joker?- and why is he attacking them?
The place where they are has time traveling shenanigans, and the place also reacts to people's wishes, the team was wishing for a strong oponent (it wasnt intentional though) wich made the place generate a cognitive version of Joker
@@ezelalia5739 ohhh so it's like a Palace and that's a cognitive Joker? Like the guys from Palaces in persona 5? Ok that makes sense, a bit sad that it isn't actually Joker but it makes sense. Thanks
@@Blaze-jl7pj more or less, yeah! its not exactly a palace though, the place is called Abyss of Time, wich is a unique location of this DLC. And like the "time" of its name says, the place does maifest things related to time (not saying exactly what, cause that is what the story of this DLC is about, and those are spoilers if you want to try Persona 3). Joker is found on a optional sector of this dungeon as a super boss, and the readon why its not the real Joker its becaude the real Joker is like 10 years old on the time that Persona 3 happens, this is why its like a cognitive future Joker.
I don't remember, but if anything, armor of light is a good replacement for Mitsuru also, as you can see in this video, Joker didn't even use fire at all
@@kikrinman1450 any proof? AFAIK, he's coded this way so any evidence of the contrary (maybe it's only until very specific conditions are met then crits are applicable) would be very interesting to see.
@@sydb_2895 I'm referring to the original commenter that apparently (nearly) one shot Joker. Whether it's true or not I have no idea, but they still claimed it happened, so maybe there *is* a way.
You do little damage in like three turns it counts as an instant lost, using persona that repel elements counts as a lost as well , you can’t spam heat riser
Don't concetrate/charge in the first turn Don't reduce half of his life in 1 turn Don't deal the minimun amount of damage or he will Down shot+Cruel attack you Don't use repel, drain, null affinities Personas for his attacks (Resist can freely be used) I think there are more but these are the ones that I can remenber so far
Keep in mind this cognitive joker is probably less than 10% as strong as the real Joker. Not all his confidence are maxed , you didn’t have Raulo , and he doesn’t even use his gun except to do down shot
@@acezeromomento3289 I mean even Fuuka says this kind of joker is stronger than nyx avatar. she says that it’s stronger than anything they face so far. Which should also include Elizabeth since it’s basically confirmed the protagonist fought and fuuka was there for the fight
@@aresrivera9744 yes, obviously Joker is going to be an unstoppable force. he’s a wildcard, a hero from another story. it wouldn’t make sense for him to be weaker than a final boss. Joker being a cognitive echo is just there to make the prospect of them actually being able to beat Joker believable.
I'm over the superbosses honestly, when I first tried him and failed for 5 times in a row to find the condition that was making him Sinful Shell me in the 1st round I just lost interest instantly... I looked it up after and seeing the Myriad Bullshit conditions you have to uphold I feel fine with just skipping this😂
I HAD TO MAX STATS, AND HP, AND GET REALLY SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT, YOU GUYS HAVE NO IDEA HOW TEDIOUS THIS WAS, I'M JUST GLAD IT'S HERE! AND THANKS TO CTOBN AND THE PSMT DISCORD FOR HELPING!
also sorry for standing still in some turns, but i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing, this requires a lot of thinkering xD
also another side note before I forget, you can not use DLC, as long as you have magic mastery on a dark persona, that works too!
Tuviee, how are you maxing stats / equipment in the dlc? Obviously in the base game you would fight the reaper for money and trade them in for materials to buy stat cards for personas and party members, but what’s the Strat in the dlc? I’m currently just grinding out by confusing enemies and if you can’t tell it SUCKS!
What’s the pmst discord?
@@Megidolaon999Monad probably for the jewels
4:51 Imagine Joker's reaction to Aigis summoning Johanna, he goes, "Hey, why are you using Makoto's Persona?" Then Aigis says, "Do not mention his name!"
Its funny because Minato is the Canon English name
@@joshuabergman3292 No it's not lmfao, it's Makoto Yuki. Minato is only the manga name
@@joshuabergman3292 no it fucken isn't
Both names can be used, just choose a preference
@@joshuabergman3292 The canon name for the P3 Protag is Makoto Yuki, as confirmed multiple times in Dancing and the Portable PC Release.
Fans: Yu and Makoto were too easy!
Atlus: Fine, we'll give you a fight you won't forget!
Goes to show that Atlus pays attention to all those cheese strats people come up with for their other super bosses. I don't mind a boss where I have to work for my win rather than just overwhelming with pure force as much fun as that can be.
I see Joker learned something from his fight with Shido with that Will of Rebellion move.
4:57 - 6:16 - 6:55
moment of silence planning next attack
Lol like Pokémon
That’s the charm of jrpg in my opinion
The long pauses during some of your turns is very telling of the difficulty.
Joker: Is that Johanna...? That's Makoto's Persona....
S.E.E.S: ....w h a t....?
Aigis: *turns into Batman* HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME?!?!
Joker: It's the name of my girlfriend
Aigis: *stops attacking him and proceeds to recruit Joker into the S.E.E.S*
Joker: "I meant Niijima."
Aigis: "Oh, someone else."
GOAT
(also..... common Mitsuru W xD)
queen Mitsuru carry
congrats to Mitsuru for solving exactly 1 problem
Mitsurillion Dmg
“Say your prayers now~”
Given how difficult and batshit insane this boss is, yea. Aigis is going to need it
So on heartless he is immune to crits? Thats insane.
fr?
@@ButterDJar yes
Thank you for telling me this I was about to rely on them
Essentially having to farm the strength arcana card for a fair fight just proves how ridiculous this fight can be.
It truly is, this is definitely one of if not the hardest persona boss
@@tuvieeclips Hardest persona boss yes
One of the best persona players ever ❤
Ur the goat ❤️
Masked boy is lucky that SEES boy is gone
My goat Makoto woulda torn him to shreds
@@Thatguyigthe thieves are most definitely the strongest out of the 6 teams
@@RiTchieKII Makoto is the strongest MC out of the series. He single handedly wipes.
@@Thatguyig 🤣
@@RiTchieKII you know he's right
Being on the recieving end of takeover must feel like the most brutal and humiliating experience like when you ambush shadows in P5R. Also Reload using Royal joker means atlus sees Royal as the definitive P5 which i love to see. P5 Arena with Sumi and Akechi when?
The battle uses Last Surprise, you can toggle Boss music in the config options
PD: Take over ACTUALLY sounds in the fight, but only on Heartless xd
@@danielmayonaka8818 this is actually because the fight is literally completely different on heartless, fun fact (different enemy internally, with a different AI and different skills)
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 oo
Takeover is my least favourite part about P5R, I hate the song so much😭
@@RiTchieKII why?
Congratss Ivan!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^-^ and thank you for giving Mitsuru nation a victory!
❤️❤️
Wow, just wow. Thank you everyone who has made this possible this early.
Wait, he's immune to crits on Heartless?? No wonder I was making zero progress there I just thought I was unlucky. If only the game told us what the rules of its fights were but I guess that would just be too kind. Also you mention in the description that Joker is the hardest newsona boss in Merciless, who would you say is second or also notable?
OG Liz
I WOKE UP TO THIS LETS GO
Guys who's winning in terms of bullsh!t?
Joker in P3R (Heartless), Demi-Fiend in DDS1 (Hard), or Satan in SMTV: Vengeance (Godborn + Hard)
I wouldn’t even put Satan on this list. Satan is just bloated with HP and isn’t restricted on damage output for moves. Whereas both Joker and Demi-Fiend and even Elizabeth both punish you for doing too much in a single move. (I haven’t fought Satan yet, this is just what I know from my friends who have)
@@hunterkun7746 starting the fight one shotting you is not nice, tbh.
Also demi fiend doesn't restrict how much damage you do on a single turn, but if you negate ir reflect phys
@@hunterkun7746 While indeed Satan has much more health (I one shotted demi fiend but had to two shot satan), but with satan is some sort of russian roulette of him using Megiddo Ark and one shotting one of your demons, if he his Nahobino 3 times you ded.
I mean tbh there are easy ways to cheese him (well once you grinded enough)
Nice. Magic build Junpei and Akihiko.
He's goated chat
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
Honestly people shit on Junpei but i think he is my fav character in the answer dlc.
Although crit doesnt work in heartless for this match. His dps in general is so high.
finally, most bullshit boss ever by far
You can't say that until you've beaten Demi-fiend from DDS1 and Steven from SMTIV: A.
Implying Demifiend from DDS doesn’t exist
What is it because he’s not playing by your game is it because he’s actually a challenge?
@@tomo8940I was going to say that too. And I mean, ain't og Elizabeth pretty crazy too?
@@Sunaru6914 No she is easy af to beat compared to some of the superbosses cooked up in SMT and there were ways to cheese her as persona isn't usually a hard series nowadays ever since 3.
4:51 "Hey! That's Makoto's Persona, you factory defect! 🤬💢"
Still cant believe that even using only magic Junpei is still in the team. Actually why is he in the team he cant even use shift boost
Doesn't he get shift boost through link episodes like in the base game?
Edit: oop my bad, they only get theurgy stuff in episodes 😅
Well to be fair Junpei's Blaze Of Life Theurgy are consider to be one of the best fire magic attack in entire game.
Blaze of Life is OP. Magic theurgy damage ranking for party members with max gear is Blaze of Life -> Electric Onslaught -> Divine Retribution -> Hound of Hades -> Blizzard Edge -> Lightning Spike -> Cyclone Arrow -> Blade of Execution.
@@24hr-Gaming Its better than electric onslaught? I really underestimated my boy
@@24hr-Gaming This is inaccurate
1. Blaze of Life
2. Electric Onslaught
3. Blizzard Edge (keep in mind the magic ability weapon)
4. Divine Retribution
5. Hound of Hades/Cyclone Arrow
7. Lightning Spike
8. Blade of Execution
Man Mitsuru getting Vorpal Blade instead of Neuro Slash is a nice upgrade. Did any of the other characters get buffed?
Ken myriad arrows
Insane stuff
I actually came up with a method but it involved Yukari and Mitsuru and beat the boss on Heartless two days ago. It was quite fun.
Kingdom hearts 4 secret boss is crazy
I think you gotta max out every single thing that enables you to survive. And on top of that, divine pillar, otherwise an unguarded member would be killed instantaneously with the first megidolaon. Props to you bro. You have defeated one of the hardest boss fights in the history.
So Atlus decided to make the MC that brought in the most money, the hardest boss of the franchise? 😂
Yep
He is not the hardest boss in the franchise...
@@ezelalia5739persona is a franchise, even though it started as an offshoot of SMT, it’s now independent. Joker is the hardest boss in Persona.
How long did it take to grind up to max stats and hp? I'm trying to beat Joker rn, but can't for my life.
I've been at it for a few days
@@tuvieeclips how did you do that? I am genuinely impressed by your sheer determination, and i want to know more!
you dont need that i defeated im in merciless with almost base hp (but all stats at 99) but in turn 1 you must use matarunda to take less than 500 in the megidolan turn. The battle is longer but doable
Just watch , study or something while you mindlessly grind in the top floor that’s how I made mines
If you use a persona with the highest luck stats u can get cards to boost your stats
Wow, even with a lvl99 party with (i'd say) decent equipment on Normal difficulty i don't even do half this damage :O
Bro had to go pee halfway thru
what happened at 4:58 - 6:17 did you have to take a piss or something? lol
I had to check notes for what to do next, this fight is hard man
Huh giga buff/debuff agains joker? He even doenst use sinfull. That the one rules must not break.
stupid question but how did you get vorpal on mitsuru
Level up to 79
I've tried to get to him, but there was a Lion in one of the monads that kept healing for 800 every turn and I couldn't do more than that on my turn because he had resistance to literally everything (yes, I even tried to put in the lowest difficulty - not even level 85 party is enough) so I just gave up on this section of the game. How do you guy even do this impresses me.
With that lion, there is a snake, right? That snake can steal 2000 hp of the lion to heal himself, so, in order to beat them, you have to damage the snake without killing him, the snake steals 2000 from the lion, and you have to repeat that until its over.
You either do as the Internet says, keeping the snake being low on health to gradually kill the lion or being as stupid as myself trying to armageddon it twice.
@ChaosSower99 did it work?
@@pawep2966 it works, but you gotta be fast farming the theurgy because he still regenerates 800 of health each turn
What the music theme of the Heartless joker fight?
Take Over
@@tuvieeclips thank you!
2 questions
1, why not just use that one shot kill move to begin with
and 2, why we fighting the guy from smash bros?
Armageddon is not a one shot kill. Joker has enough health to survive it, and if he does, he instantly kills you because that's against his rules
Why use dream fest instead of the massive pierce theurgy I’m curious everyone seems to use that
Same reason as I didn't use phys in general, in heartless Joker can't be critted, so losing that 2.01x is huge, and then you consider that Aigis can use magic ability and magic mastery, junpei loses access to crit amp and metis can't use sister amp at all, all the best damage options turn into magic for once
My dumb butt thought that this was a p5r run where you turn with the joystick the minimum times possible
This is really cool too though! XD
xD
Does Take Over play for this particular difficulty?
Yes
Joker? More like... joke... with how easy this was.
Gottem.
INAFF
I would laught at that but bro had to grind all the all to 99 everything so it was not easy 😭
Could someone explain me why they qre fighting Joker?- I've seen various videos but i don't know much about persona 3 lore, much less the DLC. In fact, i just beat Okumura's palace in Persona 5. Also, where's the blue haired protagonist?-
Well, the main question, how, lore wise, are they fighting Joker?- and why is he attacking them?
The place where they are has time traveling shenanigans, and the place also reacts to people's wishes, the team was wishing for a strong oponent (it wasnt intentional though) wich made the place generate a cognitive version of Joker
@@ezelalia5739 ohhh so it's like a Palace and that's a cognitive Joker? Like the guys from Palaces in persona 5? Ok that makes sense, a bit sad that it isn't actually Joker but it makes sense. Thanks
@@Blaze-jl7pj more or less, yeah! its not exactly a palace though, the place is called Abyss of Time, wich is a unique location of this DLC. And like the "time" of its name says, the place does maifest things related to time (not saying exactly what, cause that is what the story of this DLC is about, and those are spoilers if you want to try Persona 3). Joker is found on a optional sector of this dungeon as a super boss, and the readon why its not the real Joker its becaude the real Joker is like 10 years old on the time that Persona 3 happens, this is why its like a cognitive future Joker.
how do you get emergency vest? i can’t find it anywhere
I don't remember, but if anything, armor of light is a good replacement for Mitsuru also, as you can see in this video, Joker didn't even use fire at all
@@tuvieeclipsdo you remember where i can get dark boost from?
@@Sentou2034 i got it from Shuffle time Sword rank 5, but Baphomet and Black Frost also learn it
If you have dlc 1 you can use a milady build that nearly kill him with one theurgy, goat fight too
He's immune to crits on Heartless
@@Danewd98sChannelgamingstill did it apparently
@@kikrinman1450 any proof? AFAIK, he's coded this way so any evidence of the contrary (maybe it's only until very specific conditions are met then crits are applicable) would be very interesting to see.
@@sydb_2895 I'm referring to the original commenter that apparently (nearly) one shot Joker. Whether it's true or not I have no idea, but they still claimed it happened, so maybe there *is* a way.
Seems like koro aka 'best party member' isn't a good pick for this fight haha
phys got murdered for this fight in particular lmaoo
What are the rules of this fight lmao? so i can prepare a bit
You do little damage in like three turns it counts as an instant lost, using persona that repel elements counts as a lost as well , you can’t spam heat riser
Do we still have any idea of the restrictions?
Apparently first phase is no buffs/debuffs and second is no repel and all these
But idk how it works on heartless bc here we can see a buff use
You can't use 3 debuffs at the same time, just 2/3 max
is take over edited or can you actually have that play in game against him
if you play on peaceful-hard last surprise plays, if you play on heartless, take over plays
@@tuvieeclips that’s sick
Curious, why did Joker go first for you? For me I always have to first turn and have a chance of getting sinful shelled.
He goes first in heartless
@@tuvieeclips oooohhhhh ok, cuz im trying to beat it on hard, thanks :)
Can someone tell me what the hell his damn rules are. I thought it was no buffs or debuffs.
Don't concetrate/charge in the first turn
Don't reduce half of his life in 1 turn
Don't deal the minimun amount of damage or he will Down shot+Cruel attack you
Don't use repel, drain, null affinities Personas for his attacks (Resist can freely be used)
I think there are more but these are the ones that I can remenber so far
why did you have sonic punch johanna that was really random
i really needed to do that specific amount of damage
@@tuvieeclips oh lol
Keep in mind this cognitive joker is probably less than 10% as strong as the real Joker.
Not all his confidence are maxed , you didn’t have Raulo , and he doesn’t even use his gun except to do down shot
He wasn't influenced by America back in the day
any protagonist with that absurd amount of hp is going to be op
@@acezeromomento3289 I mean even Fuuka says this kind of joker is stronger than nyx avatar. she says that it’s stronger than anything they face so far. Which should also include Elizabeth since it’s basically confirmed the protagonist fought and fuuka was there for the fight
@@aresrivera9744
yes, obviously Joker is going to be an unstoppable force. he’s a wildcard, a hero from another story. it wouldn’t make sense for him to be weaker than a final boss.
Joker being a cognitive echo is just there to make the prospect of them actually being able to beat Joker believable.
will u also glaze p3mc if he appears as superboss in p1/2/4 remake and spams armageddon every 3 turns
Now do it without Armageddon
I'd like to see anyone beat this boss in heartless without Armaggedon tbh
Thats right, get that bum joker outa my game
I'm over the superbosses honestly, when I first tried him and failed for 5 times in a row to find the condition that was making him Sinful Shell me in the 1st round I just lost interest instantly... I looked it up after and seeing the Myriad Bullshit conditions you have to uphold I feel fine with just skipping this😂
Isn't his only rule in the 1st turn is to have everyone attack him (iirc from my attempts only 3 would do)
No entendi nada 🤙
Básicamente: el bromas se la mama a aigis
They butchered Akihiko's voice man. Bro is supposed to be a highschool teenager not a full grown ass military man lol
You didn't score a world record someone defeated him in under 1 turn
This is Heartess, Joker can't be critted, that's why is this WR.
The video you mention says that it only works below Heartless difficulty and lower.
11:52
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