So far, one of the best tests I’ve seen. Between so many brands and brightness. This will give shoppers a better idea of what they’re looking for. Would be nice to see a road test as well.
Thanks for watching and the feedback. We are definitely trying to get more on-road testing done! It's just hard when everyone works all day to ask them to keep working after sundown. We want to do more of it though!
Well, I will love to see your dog doing the test 🤙🏼 let me know when you upload the video so I can find out how your dog is capable to buy all the headlight bulbs
@@HeadlightRevolution Great job with the video especially with the description being able to to see all the stats at once done watching the video good idea but how do they perform on high beam
If I'm correct, the reason your odd output on the Tacoma's headlight is due to using a H11A hid bulb. The way the bulb locates in the housing, a standard h11 (or H11A) hid bulb causes the return wire to be in the output area of the light. A H11B bulb would fix your output shadow and probably bring the lux number up.
@@yournightmare9999 Totally agree. Preferably an HD remaster with GT6 like graphics, given the image resolution was the only big downside of GT1 and GT2.
@@luigynkaren062011 The test says it all. As you can see, no matter how much light a bulb emits, if it's not projected correctly, it still won't be bright on the road. Each bulb has different projections on different housings, just as he said on the video. If I was selling headlight bulbs I sure as hell wouldn't offer my customers a product I know it's bad after some good comparison, it would ruin my bussiness! So it's no coincidence at all, they are just smart for promoting a good brand.
? The projector is in the headlight housing. Like the headlights he is testing. One is a projector housing and one is a reflective housing. You normally see these guys cram led bulbs into their stock reflective housing and it blinds people. This is because the hid and led bulbs are designed to go into a projector headlight. The bulb itself is not a projector.
@@Megalink82 i think he meant projectors made for hids and leds respectively... i havent seen the whole video yet, but maybe they were using the stock projectors that are more made for the halogen bulbs.. I say this because I have a good HID kit but my projectors are stock, while the output is very good compared to before, its not better than another car I have that came with stock led and led projectors, also not better than the after market retrofits you see.
@@neometalx9 That would make sense. Those aren't really called projector housings if they came with halogens. They are most likely reflective housings and you just put a good HID kit in it. My GTI came with halogens in stock reflective housing headlights. I got expensive retro fit projector housing headlights from Helix and a good Morimoto HID kit that uses D2S bulbs. That's the right way to do it. Stock reflective housing headlights, most cars come with, scatter the light when you only put an HID kit in them. That is most likely why you see a bigger difference with the car that has actual projector headlights. HID's are actually brighter than LED's and the beam carries further. Another thing, the heat put off from the HID bulbs can start to scorch the shiny reflective coating on the stock reflective headlights overtime.
@@Megalink82 well, I've had cars with reflectors and my current vehicle that cane with projector housing stock and inside a h11 halogen bulb for low beam, I've upgraded to hid 2 years ago and I bought some LEDs for my reflector fog lights that uses h11 too so I got to try it on the low beam as well, both the hid and LED were significantly brighter and almost exact beam pattern... Still, I think my hid doesn't live to it's full potential because of the stock projector, I've seen other stock projectors with better beam pattern... If I wanted better lighting, my only way would be to get 55w hids instead of 35w I use currently, or do a retrofit, but I feel it's too much work and I don't really have that much problems seeing at night with my current, I could even do well with the stock halogen bulbs I had before.
@@neometalx9 Could be the quality of your components. Quality bulbs and ballasts make a massive difference in brightness regardless of the projector, found that out the hard way. I only have a 35w ballast with a 5600k bulb for my low beams and it is really bright. I went with 55w Morimoto HID's a few years ago for my high beams, MASSIVE difference in brightness. I have tried a few quality brand HID bulbs, Morimoto's seem to be the most consistent and brightest.
Ive tested all kinds of LEDs with my jeep and my mazda, both projector housings. Couldn't find a single one that fit and gave a good pattern for both cars. I could twist them around and find that pattern but it never actually clicked in to place, they only ever went in one way. Bought 55w HIDs for both, and the difference is insane. Full beam with no blindspots and they light the road tremendously. Sometimes, they even light up all 6 lanes on a california highway. I know, mileage may vary for others but HIDs were the best option for me, tired of all these BS LEDs
Generally speaking, HID is a safe bet when it comes to projectors. These newer LED bulbs do pretty well in projectors, but that wasn't always the case. -Chris W
I have tried 3 different bulbs in my Jaguars projectors. Only 1 had decent beam pattern, but it was not very bright. I personally think a marginal difference from stock. Its amazing how different each LED bulb reacted with the car.
I have the S-V.4 in my 2017 Honda Ridgeline as well as my wife's 2015 Range Rover Evoque. Both vehicles have factory projector housing. The Supernova V.4s have the perfect beam pattern/cutoff and clearly brighter. Extremely satisfied with my purchases from Headlight Revolution
I don't go off road but I have first use hid over 10 years ago. They are king of course! Led haven't come close to hid. I have 150w hid ballast with 5k bulbs, they are king indeed :-)
@@bltodd578 don't recommend hid for high beam because it does not instantly comes on full brightness which is needed usually when using high beam. Led can be good but most led are around 6k which if it the rain isn't good at all. I would stick to halogen for high beam as it has a lower temperature which is good when it's raining.
Matt ArsenalTheInvincibles Awesome thanks for that info. What do you recommend for the best halogen for a 9005 connection? My Low beams are led and so are my fog lamps. I kind want something that is going to give me the most brightness and distance for my high beam.
I was close to upgrade my OEM 4300k HID for LEDs but after watching many videos like this. In the end I decided to get new 6000k HID to update the look and lighting for a more modern touch (still my vehicle is a '13)
I have used 4300-6000k. U will find/like 6k at first due to it being whiter than 4300k, but later u won't like it as it's not good for rain/fog. 5000k is the best middle ground to use, which I my favourite. I have 150w hid ballast with 5k bulbs, perfect!
I totaly avoid LED lights and would go with HID xenon, much healiet light, the is no IR in LED which are bodies need. LED ligt is a sikening form of EMF. I hate LED's
Xenon hasstronger radient aetheric energy, light the gentle pressure you feel from sunlight. Nikola Tesla experimented with this. LED is Pukey for of light EMG junk.
@@jlo13800 hid Bulbs have uv filtering glass. If they didn't the headlight housing lens would be destroyed rather quickly. There is no uv coating on the inside. Good (d2s) hid Bulbs are filled with mercury, which is obviously bad In a accident. Newer d3s bulbs are not and aren't near as good. You can literally look into almost anything and see how it could be bad for you if overexposed. Why would u want uv light coming from your headlight? If your concerned about safety, You are not lighting up the inside of your car. Nor are you getting uv radiation from it. Literally anything with a voltage converter produces emf. Including the ballast that controls a hid bulb. What u typed your message on produces emf. The alternator for your car does. Uv radiation can cause its own forms of cancer. Almost anything can cause some form of harm to you in large enough amounts. More and more tech but yet The average age keeps going up.
Step Dad how are they just rebranded? They are completely different designs, from what you’re saying, every brand of led bulbs are all the same. Just some are better than others. GTR has good quality and value their warranty, I don’t have F2 bulbs so I don’t know how well they’re made.
@@NickSilcox3 the design is a copy of the Philips LED fog bulb which in their test also had one of the best beam patterns. Only reason I can think of them choosing this bulb to rebrand is that they can purchase them at a much lower cost than other slightly better performing bulbs which gives them higher margins. the GTR bulb runs at 29 watts. That's pretty damn high for a fanless LED bulb. I can only imagine how much light output is lost after its been heat soaked. I've tested some bulbs that lose 20-25% of light flux in the first 10 minutes. Which is the best in terms of thermal management? The SL1 hands down. It only loses an astounding 9.5% of light output in 10 minutes. And actually its fully stabilized in less than 5 minutes!
Step Dad it’s not rebranding if several led headlights are using a same chipset. Rebranding is when different brands have the same exact design on the led chipset, heatsink, and drivers. From my experience with several led brands, GTR has been one of the best. I had the H11 gen 3 (no fan) I had no issues with the light dimming from heat soaked. After a year, the passenger side died (driver went bad) so I sent them an email and got a new one within 3 days. They value their warranty. Led headlights, you really do get what you pay for.
I’m using the 55w HID kit with 6000k bulbs in my ‘18 Highlander low beam projectors. They turned out much better than the previous LEDs I used (I tried GSP Minis because they just barely fit). The HIDs are primarily white with a blue hue, which look very nice. Very clear and a massive upgrade from my OEM halogens. I switched the GSP Minis to my fog lights and they work very well. I have no problem seeing late at night in the back roads of my small neighboring towns anymore.
Maybe you should try different hid bulbs for that tacoma projector. you can clearly see in the pattern that it has the ground electrode shadow which I'm sure can be affecting the brightness. example of this is h11a vs h11b hid bulbs depending on the projector housing. at 6:28 you can see by the label you are using an h11a which from what I remember toyota tacoma should be using h11b.
Other people here trying to say HIDs are better😂 I've been using them and they failed me. The color is ok, but ever since I use l e d s, to me, they are much better and plus like it or not, LEDs been the future of lighting not h I d s👌
@@supremekingjesus425 Supreme king Jesus LEDs for headlights are the future, but until recently the aftermarket bulbs have been only good enough for every other bulb on the car. The LEDs were just not there yet for headlights, so the best combo was led everything else, led or hid for the fogs, and hid for headlights. I've have tried LED headlight bulbs in the past and have been disappointed and have been holding back until the tech has matured. Only until the last year or even 6 months ago have we finally seen led headlight bulbs meet or even exceed them. I always want the brightest bulbs I can get so I am excited for the tech to mature for brighter light output, and also the longevity. I hope these new LED bulbs and future ones have the reach down the road the HID's do.
I've been waiting for this video for ever. I knew that the LED technology had made enough improvements to equate to HID's, but no one showed my thoughts in a test until now. Thank you for doing this video!!
I just started watching your videos tonight as I am currently looking to replace the HIDs on my FJR motorcycle to LEDs. I really like my 35w HIDs for how they shine, but all that wiring is a pain and I am constantly dealing with broken connections. The moment one connection is broken while riding, the bike has to be restarted to get the HID back on again. What a pain. Having said that, I have a pair of 55 watt HIDs I ordered in 2008! that I use as my hi beams on a Hyundai Santa Gay. They have been excellent, without problems and I look like a freight locomotive. I installed them to light up as much as I can on the roads in the arctic where I lived where moose are ever-present. They wouldn't do well on most vehicles because they take a good 15 seconds or more to warm up, especially in -40 degree temperatures. But, the Hyundai - unlike most vehicles - doesn't shut off the low beam when the high beam comes on, which means I'm not left in the dark for several seconds while the highs heat up. Secondly, the throw is all over the place. If I used these in low beams, I'd be the biggest prick on the road because of how the light scatters. This brings me to my point and how I have an issue on the testing you just used. True, lumens, lux, candela...they're all broadly defined and one can't really trust some of the claims made by mfgs. In this test, you measured the hot spot in lux and this has one significant drawback: It doesn't measure the overall amount of light put out. If I took a laser beam and shone it onto your measuring device, chances are, the lux reading would be off the scale, but could you drive by laser light alone? Of course not, it's lighting too small an area, much like the area your instrument tests. I used my HID example above to illustrate how even though the light from my 55 W HIDs is probably no brighter than halogens at any one spot, it's lighting the an entire baseball field. I admit, those are two examples are extreme but I trust my point is made. So long as your light (at least low beams) is cut off enough to avoid glare to drivers or pedestrians, than there's more to consider than just the 'hot spot' insofar as evaluating light output. Either way, it didn't take me long to realize that this channel is more than just another one peddling its own wares and so far, I've enjoyed what I've watched. Keep it up.
I'm doing a retrofit projector conversion on my vehicle, but I'm sticking with a Bi-Xenon HID projector as opposed to a Bi-LED projector. Main reason, it's modular. If an LED projector goes bad, you're gonna have to re-open the headlight housing and replace the whole projector to fix it. With HID, I'll just have to replace the bulb or the ballast if it ever goes bad.
These tests are so useful, I wish there was a channel like you guys for the European market. Sadly so many bulbs are only available in either one or the other, and few in both.
Finally, I can rip out my Morimoto rat's nest of HID wiring, and install GTR Lighting's Ultra 2 in my Odyssey projector. I will give you guys the sale for doing this test - I promise!
You both are silly if you think this test was legit. HID bulbs have to be in HID projectors. This video proves you cannot put HID in any regular headlight and then blind everyone.
@@ricardomolina4605 The test is legit. This video is supposed to help us find what type of bulb works best in the existing halogen projectors or reflectors. This is helpful for people who do not want to spend $1000 on a HID projector retrofit job.
@@behzad36 I bought the Morimoto D2S retrofit for $270 and did the install myself. I guess I saved over $700. The LED bulbs on reflector housings still blind people. Like people who put HIDS in their reflector housings. If you have projectors it's ok. I did my 2001 Subaru Outback last year and I'm going to do my daughter's 2008 Subaru Forester after Christmas. Spending about $500 between both cars. Only problem is it is time consuming.
@@ricardomolina4605 It's great to know that you did your own retrofit. However, most people do not have the skills, the tools, or the patience to do a retrofit. By the way, did you include the cost of your HID kit. A morimoto HID with a relay harness is about $200. This means that your setup is closer to $500. Anyhow, as you can see in this video, a well designed LED bulb or even an HID kit does not create significant glare in halogen projector housings.
Many car manufacturers nowadays are using some advanced LED technologies! Such as Seat, VW, Mercedes...etc itd be great if you can get your hands on some of their headlights and test them out, rip them off and explain how they work (especially Seat's latest LED headlights)! Thanks:)
Thumb up guys. You put lot of time in to this video. I think real world testing could have better results for viewers. Doing it in open enviroment with real objects in distance rather than in garage observing bunch of smudges 🙂. No harm meant !
Wow this is one of the best test I have seen so far. Thank you, this is very insightful and really reveals the truth about manufacturer claims to real world numbers.
People are so divided on forums saying one is better than the other but it depends on the application and design. This was a good comparison. Just proves that you cannot go cheap on products expecting better results. And of course, research and other peer reviews does help a lot. Very informative!
Yes, that is very true. It all comes down to the application that the LED/HID bulb is used in. One could perform better in one application, and then absolutely terrible in the next. Which is why we try to do as much vehicle specific testing as we can. Thanks for watching!
HIDs look fuller (brighter than LED outside of the hot spot). HID wins. I like the chart @5:50 minutes - LED VS HID Results (Projector). I like more brightness lumens BUT I dislike blue so I prefer anything closer to white (5000K) such as the Diode Dynamics SL1 like the OEM HID in my 2017 Corvette.
Awesome video! One thing I keep wishing to see from you guys though, is a dual filament application such as 9003. In my experience, managing the power and beam pattern change between low and high beams, is a point where conversion kits tend to struggle. LED and HID alike. Thanks again and keep up the good work!
I have a question. Why is that almost every major manufacturer of quality LED bulbs does not sell any H1 bulbs? After searching for some time, the only place, where they are existent is AliExpress
Great video and appreciated effort , just in time as i am confused on Should I change from Xenon Projector H1 to LED after this i guess I'll stick to my HID Projector 😀 even if the Video is 3 years old.
I went with a cheap chinese HID kit for my low beams. Brightness is excellent, no idea about longevity yet as i've only had them installed for 3 weeks. Hope they at least last more than a year.
Topias Salakka - ha! I have a cheap ass $35 Chinese HID kit from DDM Tuning in my 2014 Mazda 3 with our Halogen Projectors for over 5 years now and still work and look awesome. So much brighter then stock. Couldn’t be happier. I bought two kits to have as a replacement and it’s been collecting dust this whole time.
Dam all this time everyone was like HIDs are best for projectors, I was hoping to see Hikari LEDs. Dam I was surprised about the morimoto 2stroke 2.0 coming out low in the projector. Awesome REAL WORLD REVIEW!!!!!!!!
When we test the Hikari stuff the Morimoto bulbs are brighter than that. We tried to stick to some better bulbs instead of showing off stuff like Hikari
A very detailed and practical video for decision making. Specially the comparison method with same distance in dark on wall. Hats off your effort. ❤ from Pakistan
Headlight Revolution, Can you comment on the text bellow? Also do you plan to test these new GTR 2's at the 75 meter? Because casting is a weakness of LED's, I wonder how the GTR 2 performs at the distance in a Toyota projector. "LED fails (in nearly all cases) at reproducing the same light source characteristics that they replace. In some lamps, they come *close* but its not perfect. You can't just look at a beam on a wall and say "yeah the LED looks like it matches the same pattern". Or put up a cheap lux meter on the beam and find the brightest point of intensity and then say "yeah this LED is 497% brighter than halogen so it definitely is better". No - that's not how it works. A headlamp is designed and engineered to produce a specific unique beam pattern that distributes light at specific angles on the road for safe visibility while being in compliance to the federal lighting standards. Change the light source type, size, shape, luminous flux and it throws all the optical engineering out the window and ultimately the beam pattern. You could end up having only a 20% increase at the 75 meter angle test point even if the LED measured at 497% more lux. How? Because of the focus. It shifted the intensity to an angle that doesn't help you see farther." Author Evo77 @ hidplanet.com
@@stepdad9953 You should re-read your original comment. "How often are you going to be traveling in a snow storm though. Probably not very often. If at all because it's not very smart."... There's a few hundred thousand Minnesota commuters that would call that statement bullshit, not to mention all of Canada.
Well thats interesting I have projector headlights in my car and have been thinking about upgrading. Was going to go hid as I heard they work best for this style light. But after this I guess its led for me.
Don't go led! HID is the best. Go at least 55w hid with 5k bulbs, 6k is white but as above said, it's rubbish in the rain. 100w hid ballast is fab. I have 150w hid with 5k bulbs.
Hmmm I think your using the wrong hid bulb for the morimoto on the 2018 toyota tacoma projectors. They have 2 different h11 bulbs. And by looking at the beam pattern and the shadows you may have used the wrong hid bulb, this could greatly effect the way it performs in the projector unit. Casting shadows where it shouldn't.
These are confusing. I still don't know which one is better. But I'm still happy with my HID. The only thing is LED is very easy to install, like halogen bulb.
Wanna just add HIDs are not instant and need to warm up. They also produce a fair amount of heat. And use more power. LED instant, lower power output needed and much much less if any heat.
After watching these videos from your channel, I want to get the best for my car while still being safe for me and other drivers. What would you recommend for a 2011 Lexus ES350 with halogen projector headlights?
H11 for low beam, 9005 for high beam - we'd suggest the GTR Lighting or Morimoto for LED or HID upgrades. Both will be a majorly bright upgrade, the preference comes down to what you want to install! HID has more components, LED is a fairly simple plug and play upgrade.
I’m a bit confused because i always thought HIDs thrive in Projector headlights and LEDs in reflector housings. Now I’m in a pickle on which one to get for my 2013 Ram 1500 with projectors.
Some manufacturer LEDs work better in projectors than others you just have to do your research. You can see that in this video as one of the leds was the brightest out of every single bulb while there was a led that was also the dimmest out of them all. Just got figure out which one works best for your projector
Yes you are correct, the first HID's were actually reflectors based around the capsule inside the bulb, then they moved on to projectors as they are much better and work well with the intensity of the bulbs. The same thing happened with LED's. A few years ago when LED headlights started to come out, an LED diode was placed behind a projector lens which did improve lighting, but it was not taking advantage of the full potential. If you take a look at newer cars with LED's almost all of them are multi-reflector designs, where each chip focuses on a specific area in front of the car. You see them in all the Teslas, 2019 Accord, 2019 VW Passat, and many more. If you are absolutely against retrofitting, it's best to put a plug n play HID kit in projectors. These bulbs are honestly a disgrace to the months of R&D that manufacturers put into designing their headlights.
Just installed ddm 35w 5500k hid kit for my 2019 honda odyssey and have to say it looks almost dimmer than my stock halogens, so just emptied my 401k and ordered some gtr ultra 2 but its back ordered so we will see
Your test on the Tacoma projectors with hid bulbs have the bulbs in the projector incorrectly. The return wire is suppose to be on the bottom and in this video is clearly on the top showing the return wire shadow.
4300k gets the most lumens and best for wet/rain/fog/snow. But I prefer 5k because it's whiter and not losing too much lumens to 4.3k and still good for weather conditions.
Which bulb would be preferable for projectors ? HID OR LED ? Car is tata nexon. Here people are suggesting to change fog lights to projectors for better results rather than headlights
Should put up measured drawings of the new GTR bulbs up on your site with the bulbs. Help save folks some guess work and save you folks the hassle of processing returns
So let me get this right..The reflectors are brighter then the projector..I was just trying to pick one of the 2 for an 06 ram 2500....Well you already said it again below too...But still wow....I would of thought the projector would of been better....
Most of the time during our testing we see that a reflector style headlight has greater intensity than projector headlights. Albeit less brightness, projector headlights normally have a better beam which gives you a more enjoyable driving experience.
I guess what makes the HIDs suffer at the projector housing test is the projector quality, it will give a better result if an aftermarket projector is used I think.
Honestly a little disappointed, but looking at things from a plug and play perspective, I get it. However, I would have liked to have seen the output from a projector like the mini d2s 5.0 and a philips xv2 or osram night breaker laser, proper hid projector vs halogen projector using the hid/LEDs. If only people could see the difference side by side, maybe more would do retrofits.
Those ultra's in the projector are nice, didn't think they would outshine the hid 55w. then again its around $200 bulbs.. I guess ill just stick to the $60 55w hid kits.. work well and if they go out can get bulbs for about 30. still less than half XD lol You get what you pay for tho (most of the time)
Ok I just have a doubt.. the LED's usually tend to mess up the lighting when there is an oncoming car with halogen right? So does the HID also have the same effect?
That's why we do all the testing, not all LED Headlight bulbs are created the same, so we put them all in different styles of headlights to see which ones make the best beam patterns. We find that sometimes 1 LED Headlight bulb works better than another, and sometimes HID is better.
I thought projector housings were supposed to be brighter than reflector? I have a 2014 Sierra with projector dual filament 9012 hid bulbs and want to know if I should change the housing when I upgrade as well
Projector housings are generally brighter and more focused than reflectors, especially with a dedicated bi-xenon HID setup. OEM reflectors often scatter light more, while some stock projectors may not perform as well as aftermarket options. If you're upgrading headlights, we'd recommend the dedicated LED Morimoto headlights or a bi-xenon HID retrofit!
Led bulbs are brighter now the only problem is the HID projects the light out further where you need it and not just right in front of you unless you have some good OEM leds in your car
West End yeah they now also use led headlights so point is since almost all oem including Toyota,Honda,Nissan, and all German brands are now using led for headlights so that tells me led are now brighter than hid’s or they would just stick with hid
@@doylee469 I’m sure while driving you’ve notice new style headlights on the newer vehicles. Those are not hid’s sorry. Actually my insurance company offers discount if your car comes with factory led headlight as it allows for much better visibility than standard hid. So yeah my hid’s are dimmer than these new lights. I fortunately own a new accord and am able to compare I just don’t have a lux meter
Why are the LEDs in the projector housing bowing up at the sides? Was Interesting to see the hid vs led output In a reflector. The biggest problem with LEDs is beam pattern, shadowing etc. I dont think it will ever truly be fixed in a standard headlight housing. All the leds are so wide and typically have alot more foreground lighting vs distance projection. The sl bulb has the best beam pattern of the leds by far. If that's a design your company worked with the manufacturer on tweaking, good job. I get why many people get leds, they just want a brighter or better looking plug and play option
The sides bowing up is a characteristic of this particular headlight design. The same bulbs in other housings don't do that, and in fact you can see that same shape with the original halogen bulbs.
Wow this was a wonderful test. I had no idea that both technologies behave differently in different headlight housing. Could you please recommend the best technology and model, if possible, for Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 2019? Many roads in my country don’t have any lights and others the illumination is very poor, and I am struggling with my Jeep because the headlights are very weak even the high beam 😔.
I would like to know if the GTR ultra 2 have a PID controller in them. I’ll have to give GTR lighting a call and inquire. If they do it’s guaranteed that as that bulb heats up past the firmware parameters it will reduce the power to keep the bulb cool even with the fan heat sink. That means that the bulb will throttle down its brightness which will affect lux/lumens output. A high-quality PID will do it smoothly almost to the point where the human eye may not see any deltas.
If you have OEM HID headlights, we suggest the Philips or Osram for the brightest upgrade! The Morimoto XB HIDs are the best for a budget friendly solution. www.headlightrevolution.com/bulbs/hid/custitem_cat_facet_bulb_size/D3S
That is a fantastic option if you want to do that build, it does take a lot of custom work though! Let us know if there is anything we can do for you, have a good one!
All I know is that my Morimoto 2Stroke 2.0 in my lows in my GenX Civic (Projectors) are FAR brighter than the stock halogens so I would comment that YMMV in a big way depending on your projector housing as well. Not saying that they are actually more bright than other LED options shown here but for sure, there is an alignment and matching issue at play based on my experience with my car.
I have a 2013 GL450 with projector housing. Would you recommend the GTR Ultra LED kit over an HID kit? since this is 2 years old is there a better option available now? Also I just move to the mountains and not much light on the roads at all. Any help or confimation will make purchasing easier. Great Videos and thank you.
I have a Tacoma 2019. I have upgraded the high beam and fog with LED. I not sure what to do with the low beam projector. I ensured the other LEDs were installed horizontal, according to your advice. I am wondering what to install for the low beam projector. I will match the colour approx 6000k. Should I use HID or LED? If I use LED I will likely match with my high beam and also use the GTR Ultra 2 , again according to your advice ( and I am happy with them). Also,is the orientation of LEDs important in the projectors? Awesome videos and advice!
I feel like those HID bulbs are not the correct bulbs for your projectors. There should not be a dead spot / line at the bottom of the light pattern unless you have your HID bulb return wire in the wrong place. H11A vs H11B HID bulbs are an example of this. Not sure if this test is quite accurate now. For the record, have a GMC Canyon with Morimoto kit, did the research on the proper bulb, have no dead spots at the bottom of my beam pattern.
2018 Honda Pilot Touring AWD. What will be the brightest and how many lumens? 6000K ? HiDs or LEDs? And how do I get that bright white with blue hue look?
HID is the best lighting. Do not go above 6k. Led at 6.5k is no good for the wet roads. I have used 4300-6000k hid bulbs, the best for me is 5000k bulbs. 6k is whiter than 5k but it's no good in the wet/rain.
So basically you need to try out leds and hids for your particular housing to see which it likes to see with. Cuz from my research there is a bunch of mixed results. God I feel like I’m pellet shopping with my air rifles.
Love the analogy, Basically, the general rule of thumb is when using a projector housing, HID will generally perform better, and with LEDs, generally they will perform better in a reflector housing!
That is the general consensus from the testing that we have done. I would recommend HID in a projector application because they are able to output that light in 360 degrees like the halogen bulbs!
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This is the video I've been looking for! I've been debating on replacing my 55w HIDs with LEDs. Glad I didn't waste the money!
So far, one of the best tests I’ve seen. Between so many brands and brightness.
This will give shoppers a better idea of what they’re looking for.
Would be nice to see a road test as well.
Thanks for watching and the feedback. We are definitely trying to get more on-road testing done! It's just hard when everyone works all day to ask them to keep working after sundown. We want to do more of it though!
Honestly, my dog could have performed a better test than this.
Well, I will love to see your dog doing the test 🤙🏼 let me know when you upload the video so I can find out how your dog is capable to buy all the headlight bulbs
@@HeadlightRevolution Great job with the video especially with the description being able to to see all the stats at once done watching the video good idea but how do they perform on high beam
@@ColinZwirner I always heard how someone has or does it better yet they never show it. Its amazing lol
If I'm correct, the reason your odd output on the Tacoma's headlight is due to using a H11A hid bulb. The way the bulb locates in the housing, a standard h11 (or H11A) hid bulb causes the return wire to be in the output area of the light. A H11B bulb would fix your output shadow and probably bring the lux number up.
you are correct, but this test is rigged to sell LED's not HID's lol
@@rotaryenginepete exactly. 6500k generally has way less output than 4300k or 5000k for HIDs
@@rotaryenginepete Lmao what an excuse
@jadenbright3854 he mentioned that in the video though
2:55 Gran Turismo 2 race start countdown. Sure as hell missed that sound effect. I'll be playing some GT2 later tonight kkkk.
Nostalgia!
We need remake GT1, GT2
@@yournightmare9999 Totally agree. Preferably an HD remaster with GT6 like graphics, given the image resolution was the only big downside of GT1 and GT2.
It was rigged, nothing brighter than HID, what a coincidence that their brand performs better than all them🤣🤣
@@luigynkaren062011 The test says it all. As you can see, no matter how much light a bulb emits, if it's not projected correctly, it still won't be bright on the road. Each bulb has different projections on different housings, just as he said on the video. If I was selling headlight bulbs I sure as hell wouldn't offer my customers a product I know it's bad after some good comparison, it would ruin my bussiness! So it's no coincidence at all, they are just smart for promoting a good brand.
I installed my supernova sv4s in my denali and could not be happier. No glare and much brighter. Worth the price
We LOVE the S-V.4 bulbs!! Can't go wrong there.
I would love to see an updated video of this. One that utilizes led projectors and hid projectors.
? The projector is in the headlight housing. Like the headlights he is testing. One is a projector housing and one is a reflective housing. You normally see these guys cram led bulbs into their stock reflective housing and it blinds people. This is because the hid and led bulbs are designed to go into a projector headlight. The bulb itself is not a projector.
@@Megalink82 i think he meant projectors made for hids and leds respectively... i havent seen the whole video yet, but maybe they were using the stock projectors that are more made for the halogen bulbs..
I say this because I have a good HID kit but my projectors are stock, while the output is very good compared to before, its not better than another car I have that came with stock led and led projectors, also not better than the after market retrofits you see.
@@neometalx9 That would make sense. Those aren't really called projector housings if they came with halogens. They are most likely reflective housings and you just put a good HID kit in it. My GTI came with halogens in stock reflective housing headlights. I got expensive retro fit projector housing headlights from Helix and a good Morimoto HID kit that uses D2S bulbs. That's the right way to do it. Stock reflective housing headlights, most cars come with, scatter the light when you only put an HID kit in them. That is most likely why you see a bigger difference with the car that has actual projector headlights. HID's are actually brighter than LED's and the beam carries further. Another thing, the heat put off from the HID bulbs can start to scorch the shiny reflective coating on the stock reflective headlights overtime.
@@Megalink82 well, I've had cars with reflectors and my current vehicle that cane with projector housing stock and inside a h11 halogen bulb for low beam, I've upgraded to hid 2 years ago and I bought some LEDs for my reflector fog lights that uses h11 too so I got to try it on the low beam as well, both the hid and LED were significantly brighter and almost exact beam pattern... Still, I think my hid doesn't live to it's full potential because of the stock projector, I've seen other stock projectors with better beam pattern... If I wanted better lighting, my only way would be to get 55w hids instead of 35w I use currently, or do a retrofit, but I feel it's too much work and I don't really have that much problems seeing at night with my current, I could even do well with the stock halogen bulbs I had before.
@@neometalx9 Could be the quality of your components. Quality bulbs and ballasts make a massive difference in brightness regardless of the projector, found that out the hard way. I only have a 35w ballast with a 5600k bulb for my low beams and it is really bright. I went with 55w Morimoto HID's a few years ago for my high beams, MASSIVE difference in brightness. I have tried a few quality brand HID bulbs, Morimoto's seem to be the most consistent and brightest.
Ive tested all kinds of LEDs with my jeep and my mazda, both projector housings. Couldn't find a single one that fit and gave a good pattern for both cars. I could twist them around and find that pattern but it never actually clicked in to place, they only ever went in one way. Bought 55w HIDs for both, and the difference is insane. Full beam with no blindspots and they light the road tremendously. Sometimes, they even light up all 6 lanes on a california highway. I know, mileage may vary for others but HIDs were the best option for me, tired of all these BS LEDs
Generally speaking, HID is a safe bet when it comes to projectors. These newer LED bulbs do pretty well in projectors, but that wasn't always the case. -Chris W
Hmmm probably because your vehicles come with halogen projectors.... not made for Hid or led. 🤔
I have tried 3 different bulbs in my Jaguars projectors. Only 1 had decent beam pattern, but it was not very bright. I personally think a marginal difference from stock. Its amazing how different each LED bulb reacted with the car.
U probably got crappy LEDs. Only recently have LEDs gotten better. The crystalux G11 and diode dynamics give the best focus and beam pattern.
I have never been a led fan. Always hid, that was from over 10 years ago. Got 150w HID ballast with 5k bulbs on my car with projectors of course.
I have the S-V.4 in my 2017 Honda Ridgeline as well as my wife's 2015 Range Rover Evoque. Both vehicles have factory projector housing. The Supernova V.4s have the perfect beam pattern/cutoff and clearly brighter. Extremely satisfied with my purchases from Headlight Revolution
Love those bulbs
HID's will always throw light farther than LED, ask anyone in the off-road racing community, HID is king.
I don't go off road but I have first use hid over 10 years ago. They are king of course! Led haven't come close to hid. I have 150w hid ballast with 5k bulbs, they are king indeed :-)
Can I used HID for high beams in my truck? If not is a quality halogen better than led for high beams?
@@bltodd578 don't recommend hid for high beam because it does not instantly comes on full brightness which is needed usually when using high beam.
Led can be good but most led are around 6k which if it the rain isn't good at all. I would stick to halogen for high beam as it has a lower temperature which is good when it's raining.
Matt ArsenalTheInvincibles Awesome thanks for that info. What do you recommend for the best halogen for a 9005 connection? My Low beams are led and so are my fog lamps. I kind want something that is going to give me the most brightness and distance for my high beam.
My factory led on my 2019 Honda Accord are much brighter and shoot light farther than my Audi A4 with hid’s
I was close to upgrade my OEM 4300k HID for LEDs but after watching many videos like this. In the end I decided to get new 6000k HID to update the look and lighting for a more modern touch (still my vehicle is a '13)
I have used 4300-6000k. U will find/like 6k at first due to it being whiter than 4300k, but later u won't like it as it's not good for rain/fog. 5000k is the best middle ground to use, which I my favourite. I have 150w hid ballast with 5k bulbs, perfect!
I've learned so much from this channel. Not only does my car look cool but now I can actually see at night.
So glad to hear that these videos helped you out, let us know if there is anything we can do for you! Have a great day!
I totaly avoid LED lights and would go with HID xenon, much healiet light, the is no IR in LED which are bodies need. LED ligt is a sikening form of EMF. I hate LED's
Xenon hasstronger radient aetheric energy, light the gentle pressure you feel from sunlight. Nikola Tesla experimented with this. LED is Pukey for of light EMG junk.
@@jlo13800 hid Bulbs have uv filtering glass. If they didn't the headlight housing lens would be destroyed rather quickly. There is no uv coating on the inside. Good (d2s) hid Bulbs are filled with mercury, which is obviously bad In a accident. Newer d3s bulbs are not and aren't near as good. You can literally look into almost anything and see how it could be bad for you if overexposed.
Why would u want uv light coming from your headlight? If your concerned about safety, You are not lighting up the inside of your car. Nor are you getting uv radiation from it.
Literally anything with a voltage converter produces emf. Including the ballast that controls a hid bulb. What u typed your message on produces emf. The alternator for your car does.
Uv radiation can cause its own forms of cancer. Almost anything can cause some form of harm to you in large enough amounts. More and more tech but yet The average age keeps going up.
glad I went with gtr headlights for low and high as well as fog lights! GTR truly does have some of the best lighting products
They are pretty great
Gtr lighting is just another rebranded f2 bulb with higher wattage. (41.5W)
Step Dad how are they just rebranded? They are completely different designs, from what you’re saying, every brand of led bulbs are all the same. Just some are better than others. GTR has good quality and value their warranty, I don’t have F2 bulbs so I don’t know how well they’re made.
@@NickSilcox3 the design is a copy of the Philips LED fog bulb which in their test also had one of the best beam patterns. Only reason I can think of them choosing this bulb to rebrand is that they can purchase them at a much lower cost than other slightly better performing bulbs which gives them higher margins. the GTR bulb runs at 29 watts. That's pretty damn high for a fanless LED bulb. I can only imagine how much light output is lost after its been heat soaked.
I've tested some bulbs that lose 20-25% of light flux in the first 10 minutes. Which is the best in terms of thermal management? The SL1 hands down. It only loses an astounding 9.5% of light output in 10 minutes. And actually its fully stabilized in less than 5 minutes!
Step Dad it’s not rebranding if several led headlights are using a same chipset. Rebranding is when different brands have the same exact design on the led chipset, heatsink, and drivers. From my experience with several led brands, GTR has been one of the best. I had the H11 gen 3 (no fan) I had no issues with the light dimming from heat soaked. After a year, the passenger side died (driver went bad) so I sent them an email and got a new one within 3 days. They value their warranty. Led headlights, you really do get what you pay for.
I’m using the 55w HID kit with 6000k bulbs in my ‘18 Highlander low beam projectors. They turned out much better than the previous LEDs I used (I tried GSP Minis because they just barely fit). The HIDs are primarily white with a blue hue, which look very nice. Very clear and a massive upgrade from my OEM halogens.
I switched the GSP Minis to my fog lights and they work very well. I have no problem seeing late at night in the back roads of my small neighboring towns anymore.
👍
Those LED won’t even fit in the ‘18 Highlander.
I'd suggest switching them out to 4300K, blue light causes glare for everyone.
I’m dying with HID!!! I love them to me they are the best!
I have led on my motorcycle with projectors... i miss my hid, led can suck it
Maybe you should try different hid bulbs for that tacoma projector. you can clearly see in the pattern that it has the ground electrode shadow which I'm sure can be affecting the brightness. example of this is h11a vs h11b hid bulbs depending on the projector housing. at 6:28 you can see by the label you are using an h11a which from what I remember toyota tacoma should be using h11b.
HID is cleaner, brighter light. Tried OEM HID's and OEM LED's.
LED all day for me. Plenty bright, generally cheaper, and much easier to install than HID. Not to mention longevity.
Other people here trying to say HIDs are better😂 I've been using them and they failed me. The color is ok, but ever since I use l e d s, to me, they are much better and plus like it or not, LEDs been the future of lighting not h I d s👌
@@supremekingjesus425 Supreme king Jesus LEDs for headlights are the future, but until recently the aftermarket bulbs have been only good enough for every other bulb on the car. The LEDs were just not there yet for headlights, so the best combo was led everything else, led or hid for the fogs, and hid for headlights. I've have tried LED headlight bulbs in the past and have been disappointed and have been holding back until the tech has matured. Only until the last year or even 6 months ago have we finally seen led headlight bulbs meet or even exceed them. I always want the brightest bulbs I can get so I am excited for the tech to mature for brighter light output, and also the longevity. I hope these new LED bulbs and future ones have the reach down the road the HID's do.
I've been waiting for this video for ever. I knew that the LED technology had made enough improvements to equate to HID's, but no one showed my thoughts in a test until now. Thank you for doing this video!!
I just started watching your videos tonight as I am currently looking to replace the HIDs on my FJR motorcycle to LEDs. I really like my 35w HIDs for how they shine, but all that wiring is a pain and I am constantly dealing with broken connections. The moment one connection is broken while riding, the bike has to be restarted to get the HID back on again. What a pain. Having said that, I have a pair of 55 watt HIDs I ordered in 2008! that I use as my hi beams on a Hyundai Santa Gay. They have been excellent, without problems and I look like a freight locomotive. I installed them to light up as much as I can on the roads in the arctic where I lived where moose are ever-present. They wouldn't do well on most vehicles because they take a good 15 seconds or more to warm up, especially in -40 degree temperatures. But, the Hyundai - unlike most vehicles - doesn't shut off the low beam when the high beam comes on, which means I'm not left in the dark for several seconds while the highs heat up. Secondly, the throw is all over the place. If I used these in low beams, I'd be the biggest prick on the road because of how the light scatters.
This brings me to my point and how I have an issue on the testing you just used. True, lumens, lux, candela...they're all broadly defined and one can't really trust some of the claims made by mfgs. In this test, you measured the hot spot in lux and this has one significant drawback: It doesn't measure the overall amount of light put out. If I took a laser beam and shone it onto your measuring device, chances are, the lux reading would be off the scale, but could you drive by laser light alone? Of course not, it's lighting too small an area, much like the area your instrument tests. I used my HID example above to illustrate how even though the light from my 55 W HIDs is probably no brighter than halogens at any one spot, it's lighting the an entire baseball field. I admit, those are two examples are extreme but I trust my point is made. So long as your light (at least low beams) is cut off enough to avoid glare to drivers or pedestrians, than there's more to consider than just the 'hot spot' insofar as evaluating light output.
Either way, it didn't take me long to realize that this channel is more than just another one peddling its own wares and so far, I've enjoyed what I've watched.
Keep it up.
The problem I have with LED is it doesn't seem to project far out compared to HID.
It definitely depends on the headlight housing itself. Some headlights really perform well with LED, Others do better with HID. -Chris W
HID is the king, Led still have to catch up.
The cutline of S-V4 is perfect.
I'm doing a retrofit projector conversion on my vehicle, but I'm sticking with a Bi-Xenon HID projector as opposed to a Bi-LED projector. Main reason, it's modular. If an LED projector goes bad, you're gonna have to re-open the headlight housing and replace the whole projector to fix it. With HID, I'll just have to replace the bulb or the ballast if it ever goes bad.
These tests are so useful, I wish there was a channel like you guys for the European market. Sadly so many bulbs are only available in either one or the other, and few in both.
I'm sure someone out there from Europe does what we do!
Finally, I can rip out my Morimoto rat's nest of HID wiring, and install GTR Lighting's Ultra 2 in my Odyssey projector. I will give you guys the sale for doing this test - I promise!
Same
You both are silly if you think this test was legit. HID bulbs have to be in HID projectors. This video proves you cannot put HID in any regular headlight and then blind everyone.
@@ricardomolina4605 The test is legit. This video is supposed to help us find what type of bulb works best in the existing halogen projectors or reflectors. This is helpful for people who do not want to spend $1000 on a HID projector retrofit job.
@@behzad36 I bought the Morimoto D2S retrofit for $270 and did the install myself. I guess I saved over $700. The LED bulbs on reflector housings still blind people. Like people who put HIDS in their reflector housings. If you have projectors it's ok. I did my 2001 Subaru Outback last year and I'm going to do my daughter's 2008 Subaru Forester after Christmas. Spending about $500 between both cars. Only problem is it is time consuming.
@@ricardomolina4605 It's great to know that you did your own retrofit. However, most people do not have the skills, the tools, or the patience to do a retrofit.
By the way, did you include the cost of your HID kit. A morimoto HID with a relay harness is about $200. This means that your setup is closer to $500.
Anyhow, as you can see in this video, a well designed LED bulb or even an HID kit does not create significant glare in halogen projector housings.
GTR Lighting Ultra Series 2 - just installed these in a 2015 silverado with the oem projector headlights - HIGHLY RECOMMEND !! they look awesome
So glad that you like them, they really are a fantastic bulb! Let us know if you need anything else!🙌
Many car manufacturers nowadays are using some advanced LED technologies! Such as Seat, VW, Mercedes...etc itd be great if you can get your hands on some of their headlights and test them out, rip them off and explain how they work (especially Seat's latest LED headlights)!
Thanks:)
Those companies already showed how they work
@@Agent-tc8dj Not all, and they only show glances how they work!
Dont forgot Mazda! their high beam leds are amazing!
@@ryanchristensen1799 yeah!!
Thumb up guys. You put lot of time in to this video. I think real world testing could have better results for viewers. Doing it in open enviroment with real objects in distance rather than in garage observing bunch of smudges 🙂. No harm meant !
Wow this is one of the best test I have seen so far. Thank you, this is very insightful and really reveals the truth about manufacturer claims to real world numbers.
Thanks for watching!
I love this channel, but I feel like some of these projector depends on the housing. I had used the opt7 and there were way brighter than stock.
People are so divided on forums saying one is better than the other but it depends on the application and design. This was a good comparison. Just proves that you cannot go cheap on products expecting better results. And of course, research and other peer reviews does help a lot. Very informative!
Yes, that is very true. It all comes down to the application that the LED/HID bulb is used in. One could perform better in one application, and then absolutely terrible in the next. Which is why we try to do as much vehicle specific testing as we can. Thanks for watching!
Very interesting outcome ! The Series 2 are definitely bright compared to the 55W HIDs . I’m enjoying my V4s in a projector housing . 👍
HIDs look fuller (brighter than LED outside of the hot spot). HID wins. I like the chart @5:50 minutes - LED VS HID Results (Projector).
I like more brightness lumens BUT I dislike blue so I prefer anything closer to white (5000K) such as the Diode Dynamics SL1 like the OEM HID in my 2017 Corvette.
Awesome video! One thing I keep wishing to see from you guys though, is a dual filament application such as 9003. In my experience, managing the power and beam pattern change between low and high beams, is a point where conversion kits tend to struggle. LED and HID alike. Thanks again and keep up the good work!
I have a question. Why is that almost every major manufacturer of quality LED bulbs does not sell any H1 bulbs? After searching for some time, the only place, where they are existent is AliExpress
There are 4 great options here: headlightrevolution.com/product-types/bulb-style/h1/
Thanks for the information, weird results though, but it really help to choose the right one.
Great video and appreciated effort , just in time as i am confused on Should I change from Xenon Projector H1 to LED after this i guess I'll stick to my HID Projector 😀 even if the Video is 3 years old.
I went with a cheap chinese HID kit for my low beams. Brightness is excellent, no idea about longevity yet as i've only had them installed for 3 weeks.
Hope they at least last more than a year.
Topias Salakka - ha! I have a cheap ass $35 Chinese HID kit from DDM Tuning in my 2014 Mazda 3 with our Halogen Projectors for over 5 years now and still work and look awesome. So much brighter then stock. Couldn’t be happier.
I bought two kits to have as a replacement and it’s been collecting dust this whole time.
@@I_know_what_im_talking_about Mine is some no-name one from Aliexpress though, but i did get the highest rated one.
@@TopiasSalakka Hi can you share the link please?
Dam all this time everyone was like HIDs are best for projectors, I was hoping to see Hikari LEDs. Dam I was surprised about the morimoto 2stroke 2.0 coming out low in the projector. Awesome REAL WORLD REVIEW!!!!!!!!
When we test the Hikari stuff the Morimoto bulbs are brighter than that. We tried to stick to some better bulbs instead of showing off stuff like Hikari
HID is the best as most people say and it's very true. Never go with these 6.5k color, it's rubbish in the wet/rain nights. 4300 or 5000k is the best.
A very detailed and practical video for decision making. Specially the comparison method with same distance in dark on wall.
Hats off your effort. ❤ from Pakistan
answered so many of my question good job on this videos . I already understood of projector vs stock rear reflector thanks
Headlight Revolution,
Can you comment on the text bellow? Also do you plan to test these new GTR 2's at the 75 meter? Because casting is a weakness of LED's, I wonder how the GTR 2 performs at the distance in a Toyota projector.
"LED fails (in nearly all cases) at reproducing the same light source characteristics that they replace. In some lamps, they come *close* but its not perfect. You can't just look at a beam on a wall and say "yeah the LED looks like it matches the same pattern". Or put up a cheap lux meter on the beam and find the brightest point of intensity and then say "yeah this LED is 497% brighter than halogen so it definitely is better". No - that's not how it works. A headlamp is designed and engineered to produce a specific unique beam pattern that distributes light at specific angles on the road for safe visibility while being in compliance to the federal lighting standards. Change the light source type, size, shape, luminous flux and it throws all the optical engineering out the window and ultimately the beam pattern. You could end up having only a 20% increase at the 75 meter angle test point even if the LED measured at 497% more lux. How? Because of the focus. It shifted the intensity to an angle that doesn't help you see farther."
Author Evo77 @ hidplanet.com
why HID wins: it projects the light farther and it burns hotter so when living in a snowy area it melts the snow on your headlights
In the winter there are definitely benefits to having a hot running light. In a long trip in the snow I'd want nothing more.
How often are you going to be traveling in a snow storm though. Probably not often. If at all because it's not very smart.
@@stepdad9953 Do you think your boss just gives you the day off whenever it snows? LOL The world doesn't stop for a snow storm.
@@JeremySchoeder depends on your boss. If it's dangerous driving conditions yeah I'm staying home because i can work from home if needed.
@@stepdad9953 You should re-read your original comment. "How often are you going to be traveling in a snow storm though. Probably not very often. If at all because it's not very smart."... There's a few hundred thousand Minnesota commuters that would call that statement bullshit, not to mention all of Canada.
The concept of your video is such awesome ❤
Thanks Adam!
H.I.D. is always best. HID THROWS FARTHEST BEAM! LED can be bright but only not a far beam.
Well thats interesting I have projector headlights in my car and have been thinking about upgrading. Was going to go hid as I heard they work best for this style light. But after this I guess its led for me.
Don't go led! HID is the best. Go at least 55w hid with 5k bulbs, 6k is white but as above said, it's rubbish in the rain. 100w hid ballast is fab. I have 150w hid with 5k bulbs.
Hmmm I think your using the wrong hid bulb for the morimoto on the 2018 toyota tacoma projectors. They have 2 different h11 bulbs. And by looking at the beam pattern and the shadows you may have used the wrong hid bulb, this could greatly effect the way it performs in the projector unit. Casting shadows where it shouldn't.
@@Mr.Torres831 Good catch gladwin would that change the outcome if the type B were used in the test to be brighter?
I would love to see the same LEDs & hid test on a 2014 gmc sierra projector housing. 2014 & 2015 Sierra housing are not the best .
These are confusing. I still don't know which one is better. But I'm still happy with my HID. The only thing is LED is very easy to install, like halogen bulb.
Depends on the vehicle at the end of the day!
LED ain’t easy to install on our 2018 Toyota Highlander, lol.
Great comparison, probably the best way to get an accurate head to head. Thank you!
Wanna just add HIDs are not instant and need to warm up. They also produce a fair amount of heat. And use more power.
LED instant, lower power output needed and much much less if any heat.
Totally true! That warm up time is definitely something to consider!
I can appreciate the GT3 start sound.
I just switched from led to HID and it's much better. Led was better than my stock halogen but these hid lights are amazing.
HID is still long in some applications! -Chris W
After watching these videos from your channel, I want to get the best for my car while still being safe for me and other drivers. What would you recommend for a 2011 Lexus ES350 with halogen projector headlights?
H11 for low beam, 9005 for high beam - we'd suggest the GTR Lighting or Morimoto for LED or HID upgrades. Both will be a majorly bright upgrade, the preference comes down to what you want to install! HID has more components, LED is a fairly simple plug and play upgrade.
Should have used the 4300K bulbs as they have the most usable light output than the 6500K used here.
He did say why i chose the color temp, in the video..
I’m a bit confused because i always thought HIDs thrive in Projector headlights and LEDs in reflector housings. Now I’m in a pickle on which one to get for my 2013 Ram 1500 with projectors.
Some manufacturer LEDs work better in projectors than others you just have to do your research. You can see that in this video as one of the leds was the brightest out of every single bulb while there was a led that was also the dimmest out of them all. Just got figure out which one works best for your projector
A year ago those same HID bulbs would have won this test. Now LED tech is getting so good that some models can outperform HID in some housings.
Yes you are correct, the first HID's were actually reflectors based around the capsule inside the bulb, then they moved on to projectors as they are much better and work well with the intensity of the bulbs. The same thing happened with LED's. A few years ago when LED headlights started to come out, an LED diode was placed behind a projector lens which did improve lighting, but it was not taking advantage of the full potential. If you take a look at newer cars with LED's almost all of them are multi-reflector designs, where each chip focuses on a specific area in front of the car. You see them in all the Teslas, 2019 Accord, 2019 VW Passat, and many more. If you are absolutely against retrofitting, it's best to put a plug n play HID kit in projectors. These bulbs are honestly a disgrace to the months of R&D that manufacturers put into designing their headlights.
The light from HID travels further than LED don’t forget to take that into account
I had a 55watt hid back on the day with reflector and was amazing at the time but compared to my 17 Corolla lights it doesn't ....
On reflectors are amazing with hid but has to be the h4 bi xenon type. On projectors need to use 100w hid to get the similar light output.
My one headlight on my 14 gsxr with an hid is so much clearer then a 2018 impala with led
Just installed ddm 35w 5500k hid kit for my 2019 honda odyssey and have to say it looks almost dimmer than my stock halogens, so just emptied my 401k and ordered some gtr ultra 2 but its back ordered so we will see
Are you happy with the GTR Ultra 2 bulbs?
Freakin aim the things man, hid blows stock out of the water.. user error
Well? o.o
Did you find out the problem, lol?
Your test on the Tacoma projectors with hid bulbs have the bulbs in the projector incorrectly. The return wire is suppose to be on the bottom and in this video is clearly on the top showing the return wire shadow.
What's the best color for a projector housing? I have 6500 now and think maybe a different color may work better.
PLEASE watch this video, it will answer your questions! th-cam.com/video/8v4QgnPLjVU/w-d-xo.html
4300k gets the most lumens and best for wet/rain/fog/snow. But I prefer 5k because it's whiter and not losing too much lumens to 4.3k and still good for weather conditions.
Such a great video. Thank you very much!
Can you test the Nineo Gen II? They are the 110W 20,000 Lumen/Pair. My brothers and I are getting amazing results but would like more testing please.
We can see if we can work it out.
Hello, could you please let us know, what is approximate distance between the wall and the projectors? Than you very much in advance! Patrick
I have the Ultra 2 in low and high beams. The best.
Which bulb would be preferable for projectors ? HID OR LED ? Car is tata nexon. Here people are suggesting to change fog lights to projectors for better results rather than headlights
Should put up measured drawings of the new GTR bulbs up on your site with the bulbs. Help save folks some guess work and save you folks the hassle of processing returns
Excellent job!!!
Thanks a lot for watching!
So let me get this right..The reflectors are brighter then the projector..I was just trying to pick one of the 2 for an 06 ram 2500....Well you already said it again below too...But still wow....I would of thought the projector would of been better....
Most of the time during our testing we see that a reflector style headlight has greater intensity than projector headlights. Albeit less brightness, projector headlights normally have a better beam which gives you a more enjoyable driving experience.
@@HeadlightRevolution ..Hmm ok cool..Thanks
I'm assuming there is more refraction inside a projector which captures more of the light instead of releasing it?
Didn't know the Ultra Series 2 came out, and they're brighter than the S-V4 and HID kits too!?
That's what we're finding in some tests. Not all!
S-v.4 looks like it has a better beam pattern while being a bit less bright
I guess what makes the HIDs suffer at the projector housing test is the projector quality, it will give a better result if an aftermarket projector is used I think.
That is very true!
Honestly a little disappointed, but looking at things from a plug and play perspective, I get it. However, I would have liked to have seen the output from a projector like the mini d2s 5.0 and a philips xv2 or osram night breaker laser, proper hid projector vs halogen projector using the hid/LEDs. If only people could see the difference side by side, maybe more would do retrofits.
Love the video, but so disappointed to learn my projector headlights will never benefit from the true brightness of any type of light bulb....
HID will work best!
Those ultra's in the projector are nice, didn't think they would outshine the hid 55w. then again its around $200 bulbs.. I guess ill just stick to the $60 55w hid kits.. work well and if they go out can get bulbs for about 30. still less than half XD lol You get what you pay for tho (most of the time)
Jose, thanks for watching and we appreciate the comments!
HIDs are bright, light throw farther and cheaper.
Ok I just have a doubt.. the LED's usually tend to mess up the lighting when there is an oncoming car with halogen right? So does the HID also have the same effect?
That's why we do all the testing, not all LED Headlight bulbs are created the same, so we put them all in different styles of headlights to see which ones make the best beam patterns. We find that sometimes 1 LED Headlight bulb works better than another, and sometimes HID is better.
I had an H.I.D. bulb go pink o on my 2012 Challenger for some reason.
I thought projector housings were supposed to be brighter than reflector? I have a 2014 Sierra with projector dual filament 9012 hid bulbs and want to know if I should change the housing when I upgrade as well
Projector housings are generally brighter and more focused than reflectors, especially with a dedicated bi-xenon HID setup. OEM reflectors often scatter light more, while some stock projectors may not perform as well as aftermarket options. If you're upgrading headlights, we'd recommend the dedicated LED Morimoto headlights or a bi-xenon HID retrofit!
Gtr looks good
it sure does!
Led bulbs are brighter now the only problem is the HID projects the light out further where you need it and not just right in front of you unless you have some good OEM leds in your car
I have the anzo headlights on my f150 what would be the best and brightest led bulb or HID kit you guys recommend
Would you compare Aftermarket projectors (such as the Morimoto D2S 5.0) with 35,55w and LED options?
Steve Martinetto I’m curious in this exact setup as well.
Well just picked up a new 2019 Honda Accord with the jewel eye led and the color and brightness is better than my 2013 Audi A4 w/bi xenon
West End yeah they now also use led headlights so point is since almost all oem including Toyota,Honda,Nissan, and all German brands are now using led for headlights so that tells me led are now brighter than hid’s or they would just stick with hid
Youre the only one saying to use led over hid, youre all over another comment on here too..mwe get it man, you prefer a dimmer light
@@doylee469 I’m sure while driving you’ve notice new style headlights on the newer vehicles. Those are not hid’s sorry. Actually my insurance company offers discount if your car comes with factory led headlight as it allows for much better visibility than standard hid. So yeah my hid’s are dimmer than these new lights. I fortunately own a new accord and am able to compare I just don’t have a lux meter
@@doylee469 and don’t get me wrong I’m not knocking hid’s just hopefull that brands like Phillips and osram come out with a viable led upgrade option
Why are the LEDs in the projector housing bowing up at the sides?
Was Interesting to see the hid vs led output In a reflector.
The biggest problem with LEDs is beam pattern, shadowing etc. I dont think it will ever truly be fixed in a standard headlight housing. All the leds are so wide and typically have alot more foreground lighting vs distance projection. The sl bulb has the best beam pattern of the leds by far. If that's a design your company worked with the manufacturer on tweaking, good job.
I get why many people get leds, they just want a brighter or better looking plug and play option
The sides bowing up is a characteristic of this particular headlight design. The same bulbs in other housings don't do that, and in fact you can see that same shape with the original halogen bulbs.
Wow this was a wonderful test. I had no idea that both technologies behave differently in different headlight housing. Could you please recommend the best technology and model, if possible, for Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 2019? Many roads in my country don’t have any lights and others the illumination is very poor, and I am struggling with my Jeep because the headlights are very weak even the high beam 😔.
Hey! I would recommend reaching out to our CS team so we can send over the proper links for your vehicle!
I would like to know if the GTR ultra 2 have a PID controller in them. I’ll have to give GTR lighting a call and inquire. If they do it’s guaranteed that as that bulb heats up past the firmware parameters it will reduce the power to keep the bulb cool even with the fan heat sink. That means that the bulb will throttle down its brightness which will affect lux/lumens output. A high-quality PID will do it smoothly almost to the point where the human eye may not see any deltas.
Not necessarily a question, but what combination is going to have the brightest output for the Ram projector headlight?
What’s the brightest hid bulb to go with in my 2015 impala??
If you have OEM HID headlights, we suggest the Philips or Osram for the brightest upgrade! The Morimoto XB HIDs are the best for a budget friendly solution.
www.headlightrevolution.com/bulbs/hid/custitem_cat_facet_bulb_size/D3S
Anymore hid kits for first gen tacomas?
The Retrofit Source has aftermarket projectors for hid and leds headlights for there bulbs get as a option if people want them on there car.
That is a fantastic option if you want to do that build, it does take a lot of custom work though! Let us know if there is anything we can do for you, have a good one!
All I know is that my Morimoto 2Stroke 2.0 in my lows in my GenX Civic (Projectors) are FAR brighter than the stock halogens so I would comment that YMMV in a big way depending on your projector housing as well. Not saying that they are actually more bright than other LED options shown here but for sure, there is an alignment and matching issue at play based on my experience with my car.
That's 100% right! Testing only a few bulbs on only 2 headlights doesn't tell the whole story, just gives you an idea of what's possible.
I have a 2013 GL450 with projector housing. Would you recommend the GTR Ultra LED kit over an HID kit? since this is 2 years old is there a better option available now? Also I just move to the mountains and not much light on the roads at all. Any help or confimation will make purchasing easier. Great Videos and thank you.
do these lamps work just as good on rainy nights?
GTR Lighting make some damn good lights.....expensive but quality and warranty makes up for it! Great vid!
That's kind of what it seems like, huh...
Great test!! I learned a lot about how different housings can affect the brightness on LED/HID.
Thanks I look forward to more videos!!👍🏽
One thing the meter doesn’t show is that huge ass shadow in the center of a lot of these aftermarket bulbs.
Which one should I use for my Fortuner 2014 low beem projector led or hid
HID!
I have a Tacoma 2019. I have upgraded the high beam and fog with LED. I not sure what to do with the low beam projector. I ensured the other LEDs were installed horizontal, according to your advice. I am wondering what to install for the low beam projector. I will match the colour approx 6000k. Should I use HID or LED? If I use LED I will likely match with my high beam and also use the GTR Ultra 2 , again according to your advice ( and I am happy with them). Also,is the orientation of LEDs important in the projectors? Awesome videos and advice!
We would recommend HID with a projector. We can be happy to go into more detail, shot us an email at Sales@headlightrevolution.com.
I feel like those HID bulbs are not the correct bulbs for your projectors. There should not be a dead spot / line at the bottom of the light pattern unless you have your HID bulb return wire in the wrong place. H11A vs H11B HID bulbs are an example of this. Not sure if this test is quite accurate now.
For the record, have a GMC Canyon with Morimoto kit, did the research on the proper bulb, have no dead spots at the bottom of my beam pattern.
commented this yesterday. Clearly show a h11a at 6:28 which is not right for this projector.
Super helpful and educational. Thank you!!!
You are so welcome!
2018 Honda Pilot Touring AWD. What will be the brightest and how many lumens? 6000K ? HiDs or LEDs? And how do I get that bright white with blue hue look?
HID is the best lighting. Do not go above 6k. Led at 6.5k is no good for the wet roads. I have used 4300-6000k hid bulbs, the best for me is 5000k bulbs. 6k is whiter than 5k but it's no good in the wet/rain.
@@MattOn1010 thanks for the info bro. How about brand? Is there a top of the line brand for HIDs?
So basically you need to try out leds and hids for your particular housing to see which it likes to see with. Cuz from my research there is a bunch of mixed results. God I feel like I’m pellet shopping with my air rifles.
Love the analogy, Basically, the general rule of thumb is when using a projector housing, HID will generally perform better, and with LEDs, generally they will perform better in a reflector housing!
so, the LED work better on reflector, and it does not on projector?? Should I use HID for the projector??
That is the general consensus from the testing that we have done. I would recommend HID in a projector application because they are able to output that light in 360 degrees like the halogen bulbs!