The movie make Naoka really terrible, Manga Naoka isn't a saint but can salvages any good will when you try to empathize with her and see how she really feels about Shouya. Manga Miki is a even bigger more slimey snake than she is in the movie
Silent Voice is legit one of my top 5 favorite movies, it's so beautiful. Shoya's growth is phenomenal and heartbreaking. It would've been better without Miki though, she made me so angry I had to pause some scenes while watching just to calm myself down.
@@ExpertContrarianCould you Explain why you feel that way? It ain't helping your case to not give out a reason you just seem like a douche, who likes to ruin stuff for others cause your miserable.
Miki is literally just those girls in school who would've bullied the disabled or special needs kids and then later on be nice to them in front of their teachers like... DON'T TELL ME THAT'S NOT HER BECAUSE THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT SHE DID!!!
@@zof5394 Yes but no. She wasn't ever nice to the deaf girl, only in highschool when she met her again I believe. Like, after she left, Miki just cried and pretended to have not done anything, and everyone believed her. Oh wait, nvm I remember that one time after the deaf girl got her hearing aids ripped out of her ears, i think she helped her then. But that's it. So yes, she has been nice only in front of teachers.
Miki is the perfect example of a character I despise. She was literally involved with bullying Shouko in the past but makes it out that she was so innocent and ends up turning everyone against Shoya yet she was *literally* involved in it all.
Right, although the movie didnt flesh out on how terrible she is, she never bothered to actually stop any bullying from progressing, even if people are all like “well she’s probably too scared to confront anyone about it” it never seems like she had that mindset at all and there’s a lot of evidence to back that up.
One extra thing about Miki in A Silent Voice, if you look at the choir scene, you can see Miki start to fake sing just so that Nishimiya (the deaf girl) would start singing, so that she can act like a selfless and loving girl by then telling Nishimiya to start singing when she taps her.
Never before have i wanted to go into an anime world for another reason than to see the sexy women before but i just wanna jump through the screen and land a 112x combo haymaker on her.
YES. I liked Naoka as a character because I could understand her. At the end, in her own way, she even tried to bury the past to get along with everyone. Even learned a little sign language. But Miki who acted self-righteous as if she was better than everyone else was insufferable. Every time she cried; in class, on the bridge, with Shoko after she confessed to self-harm, and at the end when she gave Shoya those cranes, every time I wanted to smack her on her mouth. Especially during the scene where Shoko confessed to her what she was going through. She made a big scene in public, putting all Shoko's personal problems on blast to the whole neighborhood. I hate this girl.
But Naoko was literally the reason shoko felt the need to commit suicide, and even then my girl got beaten up by Naoko for shoya being in coma as if she ever asked him to save her. I know it hurt to see a friend in coma, I was also crying for him but the whole thing was naoko's fault mostly yet she kept blaming everything on shoko from the very beginning. Shoko was trying her best to become a happier person as she grew up and make friends, but naoko did everything possible to ruin that and would've succeeded if it wasn't for shoya
Miki just pretends she was an Innocent bystander. She genuinely gaslights everyone else into thinking she didn't play a part in bullying Shouko. She plays the victim and acts all self righteous and like she didn't hurt Shouko, even though she watched everyone else bully her and she never did ANYTHING. but then the minute it becomes a public issue, she tries to be all self righteous.
The single most annoying characters are the ones where in cartoons, they'll always introduce a character for one episode to make the main guy look like trash through misunderstandings or just putting the blame on them and everyone believes it. And the most annoying part about this isn't the new guy acting like a douche, it's how every other character's IQ drops by 60 points just for this set-up to work.
Gumball technically did this trope where they had Gumball accidentally be the new kid in town and everyone's IQ dropped to room temperature, though his brother tries to bang him...
@@jamilzayas5808 he's both the guy getting all of the praise and the guy who was made look bad (well bad when it comes to his brother) which I find cool
Fun fact to make you hate Miki even more: during the choir part when they were children, Miki opened her mouth and pretended to sing. And since Shouko was following her cue, she ended up singing too early because Miki is a frickin brat and then pretended it wasn’t her fault trying to make herself look good
Never felt annoyed by Cassie tbh. Her backstory is truly sad for me, her downfall in season 2. She's making everything worse and worse for herself, which is pretty realistic. Not everyone would quickly redeemed yourself. I hope she will get better in season 3.
Never watched the show, but some relatives who were living with us were watching it in the second season while I was focusing on something else...All I could hear was Cassie screaming and wailing in a temper tantrum for 15 minutes straight (y'all know what I am referring to). Like good golly stfu 😂 She did not have a good first impression
Interesting how opinions diverge on this. Ryan was my favorite character from the office, I thought his saltiness was pretty funny, the actor who played him is actually a decent comedian in real life
@@Isaac-eh6uu I actually didn't find him annoying at all, as a viewer. I found it pretty entertaining how his douchiness was able to annoy other characters in the show
The funniest part about Ryan’s character from the office is that B.J. Novak, Ryan’s actor, was one of the writers on the show. So he intentionally make his own character a piece of shit.
Am the only person that actually likes Ryan? Specifically in season one he just seemed like a guy who hated working in an office under an obnoxious boss and a few annoying co workers
Miki isn’t just plain annoying, she’s just downright despicable and vile to the core. What’s worse is that there are a lot of people just like her, acting like victims or “bystanders”, making the situation about themselves, and being “self-righteous” and “kind” to show they are good people when they never cared about the bullied in the first place and only did because it will elevated their image, and they NEVER ever get consequences from their actions. I really loathe people like her.
yeah, i truly can’t explain the reasoning behind it, but bystanders make me so much more inexplicably angry than the villains themselves. sometimes, i feel almost as if i can forgive a villain, but put the entirety of the blame on the bystanders. i wonder if there’s some sort of phenomenon that covers it bc i feel that most people can agree with that statement
Ueno atleast admits she's a horrible person whos not capable of liking Shoko but on the further parts of the movie, she forces herself to atleast get along with her with good intentions. Miki never apologized and was stuck to her perfect pure image where she thinks she can never do anything wrong because shes cute (which, is a lie cuz Shoko is way cuter lmao)
My mom told me that when you start feeling any sort of feeling towards a character means they doing they job right and I think that’s true to some degree
@@AAAcronymThe reason can vary. Maybe you hate a character because they are poorly written, or maybe you hate a character because they are hateable on purpose.
Finally someone talked about Miki!! She played the victim the entire time, pretended she wasn’t involved in the bullying, and just didn’t own up to her any of her mistakes. She was so annoying and I hated her victim mentality.
The fact most popular shows like LA or anime have such annoying characters or protagonists 97% of the time and series shows the majority of idiocy is in the world
Part of what makes Miki annoying is that we've ALL known someone like that. They're all for the "fun" until they play victim then act like they're superior to everyone in the room.
bro I have a "friend" rn that acts like that ALL the TIME, like, basically blatantly racist to me just cuz im white but, just cuz he's Chinese he gets a "I'm not white so it's ok" pass 😐 like no bro. Not to mention the goddam superiority complex he has :/
God, A Silent Voice made me so angry a lot of the time, and on purpose, for sure. It really gets you to understand how bullying is a social phenomenon broader than one or two mean people - it takes a class to bully a kid, often. I was bullied in elementary and middle school and there was a circle of people, only a few actually doing the bullying, the rest laughing, and outside of them other people just watching and doing nothing. I'm deeply not proud of it, but it reached a breaking point in 8th grade, and I lashed out at one of the people who was laughing at me. They weren't even involved in the teasing, just laughing about it. I was suspended for a week, which I didn't end up thinking was much of a punishment because 8th grade was hell, and I got to vibe at home playing Pokemon. anyway, the point is, the bullying I endured wasn't any one particular tormentor, it was the class tacitly agreeing I was an Acceptable Target, and everyone either participating or ignoring it. And as a result of that experience, I felt a deep, visceral loathing for the other kids who joined in/enabled Shouko's bullying, and then refused to shoulder any responsibility.
Dang dude same happened to me. Luckily I got out of there before it got even worse and it's only years later that I realised this. Hope you're doing better!
Yes. Most of the time bullying happens cause it's a group. Also the teacher was annoying in silent voice cause he only did something about the bullying when it got bad. He didn't pay attention at all and didn't control his class. Which was most classroom environments where bullying is allowed.
I’m going through the same issues at my new school, I want to have a fresh start and this girl wants to tell everyone what I did in my past, idk what I should do
@@turtle275 no I have better advice you really wanna get at them the girl who’s threatening to tell everybody about your past why don’t you do the same, make up rumors about her as well tell everybody that she’s a nasty hoe or that she does sexual favors for money something along those lines or take it a bit further say that she’s a compulsive liar
Cassie was definitely annoying, but her sister wasn’t any better. Lexi is the type of person to make a self-insert book, and writing a play exposing her sisters secrets is insane. She’s got that “I’m not like other girls 🥴” energy 💀
Euphoria is filled with the most unlikeable, self centered, self righteous people ever represented in a series I think ever. But I think that's the point. They are the stereotypical high school people taken to the fuckin max, Gen Z on steroids, bad enough to make millennials vote conservative. But instead of humanizing high school, I think it works to the shows detriment, because anytime these characters succeed at something their attitude and actions ruin it. The show is so backwards that the drug dealer is more likeable than the drug addict. Strange asf story telling. the likeable characters rarely take a center role. I think the entire show hinges on unlikeable characters being unlikeable, but convincing u their right in their arrogance. It's marketing genius but at the same time terrible storytelling. Edit: more terrible than genius... I only mean genius because it has attracted the attention of basically and entire generation... which one can argue was the selling point in the first place.
@@kingcyclops4079 I would tend to agree with you. Certainly these characters aren't shown in the most flattering way. But I don't know if its convincing people on how to be better, most of the comments I see addressing the criticisms of the show boil down to "its just a work of fiction" which removes any impact it could have on the real world, especially when tackling real world topics like drug abuse or the terrible behaviors these teens exhibit (cheating, gossip, irrationality). I see a lot of comment actually applauding characters being toxic or confrontational, because they're "empowering" or "owning it" or "being a queen." But that doesn't excuse the intensely irresponsible shit these people do. Shit I'm a teenager and I find it very unsettling. The show shows the consequences, but they are ultimately overshadowed by the immensely glossy, beautifully shot scenes of absolute chaos. If the show were to take a more educational outlook, it wouldn't be popular. Look at what happened with 13 Reasons Why, they basically abandoned the "starting a conversation" motive for the sake of entertainment value. I'll say this, amongst my friends and I we hate most of the characters in the show, but goddamn do we here applauding those same characters for being themselves or being perfect in their own ways. It's a very strange thing to talk about because I actually WANT to like the show, but with everything it is MEANT to represent, I feel like it misses the mark.
@@aidandavis7657 that's a really good point. The show does kinda go overboard with visual even if it does look good. It would be like John Wick being about the evils of revenge and the criminal underworld but then have these cool ass neon lit fight scenes. So although the message is there it's glossed over by the cool scenes. I said this in a comment, that the show should instead be a movie all about Rue's recovery because Rue as a character is relatable and understandable. You get why she's like this and why she does the things she does. Rue's family perfectly shows the effects of her addiction. She has these "euphoric" moments when she's high but as soon as it ends it gets worse and worse. Compare this to the teen bullshit where people are either selfish, self righteous and manipulative. These are are just shitty awful people, Rue is suffering from horrible disorders and trauma so her cynicism although is wrong you get why she is so cold and you want her to get better.
@@kingcyclops4079 exactly my feelings. they really lean into Rue being absolutely AWFUL which I love. She is broken, she does need help, the problem comes when she's in a position to receive it but refuses it for the sake of feeling free or in control. I think she got the dose of reality she needed when she almost got kidnapped and sold into sex slavery by Laurie (I'm not saying she should've been, just saying it was a traumatic enough experience that she was able to snap out of it). Like she could've went to all the rehabs in the world, and still wouldn't have gotten clean. Her redemption arc is pretty well handled imo, because at the end of the first season I despised her, by the end of the second I was kind of proud of her, and instead hated everyone else for enabling her!!! The bathroom scene where cassie is worried she looks like shes from Oklahoma, and they ask if Rue is on drugs and she says yes and everyone goes "you relapsed" and then she ADMITS she's smoking weed and they COMPLETELY gloss over it! Like these people are terrible for not taking that shit seriously, but instead they're worried more about Cassie wearing the wrong thing to school??? Elliot and Jules especially allowing her to drink later on in the season. A kid I know was addicted to xans, went to rehab, and still went to every fucking party getting drunk and high, and did anyone try and stop him? Ofc not because they either couldn't care less or they didn't think it was a big deal. So yeah I think Rue's arc was perfect from the standpoint of being optimistic as well as realistic, and I could definitely do without all the senseless highschool bullshit
Miki is a good example of a girl who was in my middle school class. She was a stuck up, always acted sweet and caring to the students and teachers, yet bullied me for no reason, and when I told the teacher and he confronted her about it, she started crying and saying she would never bully anyone and that I was a horrible person for blaming her for something she never did. I ended up getting in trouble, while she got off scot-free. The worst part, was she had a whole clique of friends who also bullied me, but they also never owned up to it.
Dude if i were you, i would get myself some hitmen when i grow up and teach them a lesson. Definitely make me feel alot better watching them learn a lesson for doing such thing
I had a similar situation in middle school. But my mom was no pussy and did everything to get them trouble and they did. And they cried in classes two days straight😂
My bully was a known piece of shit among the students, but the teachers ran defense for her bc she'd cry about her abandonment issues every time she got in trouble 🙄 it was funny bc I had a VERY SIMILAR trauma, but the teachers only cared about hers bc she told them first (yes, really, that was the whole reason why she got priority lmao)
THANK YOU!! i have this EXACT view when watching/reading stuff, so it’s rlly hard when ppl who don’t share this are like “BuT wHy DoNt YoU lIkE tHe ShOw” or say something about how the characters “weren’t that bad”. i LOVE how u called out the characters with VALID reasons that i totally agree with! i can’t wait to see a part two and hear more of your opinions! :D
I don’t mind annoying characters as long they: have a legitimate reason thats gets lots of screen time and feels legit, improve a lot and develop as a character, or get what they deserve.
I agree to some degree but there is a line. To me, Nom Nom from We Bare Bears is way past that line. He's unlikable on purpose but if I'm supposed to understand that he's unlikable, I have no reason to wanna repeatedly watch episodes where they try to bait me into thinking he's getting better when I know the episode is almost always gonna end with the revelation that he's secretly planning something scummy. Characters even acknowledge it & he's sometimes even shown plotting his scummy twist during the episode so I have no clue why someone decided he should be a reoccurring character. It's like they arbitrarily thought they couldn't drop any of the animal characters but they could only come up with one idea for him so they just basically remade the same episode repeatedly. It's kinda like Ronaldo from Steven Universe. He feels like one of those people you meet in real life who keep learning the same lesson because they don't have a strong enough moral code to stick to what they learned. It's realistic but it's not interesting & it's extremely irritating. I don't wanna watch a narcissist who once attempted murder with no remorse learning to be more respectful to his friends when he doesn't deserve those friends in the first place & I know he's just gonna do the same shit in his next episode.
or if they arent just being annoying every 15 seconds, only occasionally so they have more to their character than being annoying but that is still a trait
I literally just rewatched a silent voice and read the manga for the first time and Naoka pissed me off so much I wasnt expecting to see her on this list, but I understand it wholeheartedly
@@askerleaves1614 Spoilers: v She bullied Shouko okay nothing right? RIGHT? wrong because she literally never grew hated on Shouko for doing nothing beat her up because she apologized? And then she almost does it twice for the same reason blames her problems with her old friends on Shouko when it really is on Shoya (not to say this to hate on Shoya cause Ik he's changed now but come on). Honesty feel bad for her future kids (if she has any(which I hope not so for this very reason)) the amount of trauma they'd have an therapy they'd need. (Also btw this is just referring to anime Naoko I need to reread the manga cause it was a while ago maybe she had a redemption arc tho I do remember that they gave her another reason to hate Shouko but not much).
What I realized about these annoying characters is that most of them don't actually start off the show being annoying, like either they are good or just fine but then somewhere along the line something happens and they just become unbearable.
Depending on the type of show, that is the point. Things happen in real life that can change a person and make them toxic and shows will let the audience see what pushes them to that point and how it makes them behave afterwards as a kind of psychological study. It's just that most viewers don't care about that and just end up hating the character instead
Miki is literally the embodiment of cancel culture. she gets something that a person did in the past, makes it a big deal knowing the person has changed, and does all of it for no reason in particular.
shes the type of person who will not stop harrasing someone who have anger issues and play the victim but shes the reason why physical confrontation started because of her
@@battlesister1559 I have a present for her a brazillian wandering spider dont tell her she is still going to not accept it but im gonna cause chaos with it
That free style was absolute fire. I played it for my grandma on life support and she woke up to unplug it herself you making miracles happen out here.
Lowkey I agree with him on EUPHORIA. EVERYONE ELSE I have no interest or hate except for Rue. I honestly really wish the show was just a movie about Rue trying to stay off drugs for her family.
cassie and formerly lexi were the only characters I cared about. Cassie is insane to watch. I only watched season 2, season 1 was too edgy for me. And it redeemed Maddie and Rue too and made Nate interesting. And Jules too. I hated every character from what I saw of season 1. But in season 2, it's amazing. I actually kinda hate Lexi now. Cassie is bad too but she's entertaining asf. So entertaining. Kat still sucks though (the character not the actress obviously). Maybe Cassie is annoying but from what I remember of season 2, she was just non-stop entertainment.
Something I always hated about a lot of shows was characters who would be outright assholes, never change, but would get praise and the story would revolve around them as if they’re correct. I have no problem with asshole characters, it’s actually something I like in some in shows I see, but it really grinds my gears when the storytelling acts like they’re not an asshole, because it shows it wasn’t on purpose.
I'm of the opinion that people who write asshole characters without clearly framing them as assholes probably hold some of the same opinions or behaviors themselves, and that's why they lack the self awareness required to incorporate it properly into a story.
Fr i hate that cause the story isn't self aware about it at all. They're right there with it and not only that the worst part and it absolutely will ruin the story for me, when other characters oppose this pathetic annoying character and they're instantly vilified. This character that had a perfectly understandable reason for needing or wanting to oppose this character is either killed off, made out to be a monster, or "redeemed" when they had a perfectly good reason for not agreeing or liking this annoying ass character
Annie Leonhard is the example of this trope, bitch brutally murdered Levi’s whole squad, said she would do it again without showing any remorse, slept in a crystal for 4 years straight, and then wakes up and have a boyfriend
The worst part of an annoying character is, when he is talking to the main dudes, but the annoying character annoys the fuck out of you, so you just skip the scene, but then you realize that by doing so you are now missing a key part of the plot, so now you have to watch the scene you just skipped just to get that continuity, but you will be even more annoyed because the annoying character is still annoying you, so now you also start disliking the thing you are watching. In conclusion, annoying characters are annoying if they annoy you...I'm looking at you Drake, I wanna skip life when you drop something mid.
@@Cpt_Katsuragi true true, i guess in other words he's tryna say like this character is so annoying it takes away from the plot in a sense which in some cases is true but i agree with your point as well
This just made me realize that authors don’t put a lot of effort in developing the female character in their stories, most of the time they are stupid without any interesting motivations to back their actions, it’s obvious if you really think about it.
Not exactly true, it might be quite common but it's far from true to assume most shows are like this, a lot, sure, common I suppose so, but their are many many others where the females get more development, even being the protagonist at many points
@@joyc.e.7511 I'm personally rewatching Bleach in anticipation for the TYBW arc getting animated and yeah I love Rukia as well. Also this is a really controversial opinion but imo her and Ichigo would've been great together instead of Ichigo and Orihime
@@johnderat2652 Yep JJK definitely has some actually good and well written female characters who aren't just there for fanservive or as some kinda trophy for the MC. Hell's Paradise or Jigokuraku also has perhaps my favourite female character from anime/manga (Yamada Asaemon Sagiri)
I hated Jenny until I realized the reason why she kept rejecting Forrest after somewhat leading him on was because she really did love him but she felt she was taking advantage of him how her father took advantage of her as a child.
Some people look down on Jenny for the way she treated Forrest, probably because they've had difficult relationships themselves. But when you look at what happens with an objective mind you can see she goes out of her way to not harm him. She stays as far away from him as possible whilst she suffers the effects of having been raped as a child. Indeed the worst thing she does is leave him without saying goodbye and deprive him of fatherthood for some time in a later scene. It is quite commendable to limit your pain to yourself rather than becoming corrupted by it to the point of harming your loved ones. It is also quite commendable that Forrest looks past the destructive behaviour she has limited to herself and still sees only the good in her. Whatever limited pain he does experience as an unintentional consequence of her actions he depletes within himself in a productive way through the force of his spirituality th-cam.com/video/tWzbCk18wTw/w-d-xo.html. This is what Eternal Dharma/Soulmateship is all about, indeed this is what Love is all about. Doing the utmost to not harm the harmless, and depleting the pain you do receive within yourself. But all of that requires great spiritual fortitude that has built up over countless lifetimes. Those who are not so spiritually developed risk intentionally hurting others. For them all you can do is set a good example by living according to Principle, and making yourself available to give therm guidance. But you need to be very careful when you do encounter corrupted persons. On the one extreme you should not judge and condemn them as being worthless. On the other extreme you should not destroy yourself to try and save them, which is a risk that exists if you're spiritually driven because you will find something good in them. Instead you should approach everything in life in an intelligent, balanced way. That means just teach thern Principle if they are interested. Without making the mistake of "falling in love" that is actually lust. Such corrupted persons often suffer from being unloved by those they have loved from a young age, such as their parents. So they have a twisted idea of what love actually is and that can lead to bad outcomes when combined with the greed, hatred, ignorance that arises from their pain. If their love remains unrequited they will destroy themselves trying to replace it with sensual pleasures. Their only hope is to find spirituality and serve the Principle of Love itself rather seeking love from others. And your duty is limited to showing them the way if you have the Wisdom to do so. All of this means you should never help anyone in a way that indulges their greed, hatred, ignorance, out of your misguided love for them, because that will actually harm them tbh with you.
EDIT: One other observation, even if I'm maybe reading too much into the story, I came to realize from the conversations in the comments (lots of great responses everyone, love the discussions!) is how I can see where the dissonance with observing Jenny's character comes from. Jenny is a realistic person. Forest is not. Now that isn't a bad thing at all! I love Forest, he has a lot more depth than people give him credit for, and is the perfect protagonist for this story, but he basically wouldn't exist as is in any real life sense. He's more of an idea of the American myth rather than anything real. And like Jogoso2014 basically pointed out, if Forest is the idealized version then Jenny is the antithesis. So having this perfect pure boi that is an ideal with this tragically flawed realistic person can feel a bit weird and make her actions seem much more malicious than I think was intended by the filmakers. You want to protect Forest and believe his reality is emblematic of real life. But if you accept Jenny as she is and are sympathetic you may unintentionally have to accept that 20th century America was pretty crappy for a lot of people especially if they weren't white men. And that's a hard pill to swallow even now in modern discourse. This may be getting a bit too meta but I think it's an interesting observation. EDIT 2: I see how a lot of people think that Jenny took sexual advantage of Forest. I genuinely disagree as outlined in my OP and comments but I understand the perspective. And arguably she may not even have the foundation to understand true consent, as her first sexual experiences were unconsenting and abusive by the one person who should have protected her in this world. So even if she did, that adds to her tragity and depth imo, sins of the father creates a cycle of abuse.
Just rewatched Forest Gump for like the 5th time: I laughed, I cried, I shrimped, etc. It's one of my favorites. But when reading the discourse of the movie most of the critisism is always with Jenny. Like everyone seems to genuinely think that 30 second Family Guy joke actually is what happens in the movie. I think it just shows how a lot of people don't have experience or knowledge with sexual abuse victims. Jenny is portrayed fairly tragically and realistically. There's a reason this part of her life is clearly pointed out as it's integral to her actions. There are so many movies that have Jenny like characters without that background and the depth, but here when it's being done so accurately, is the time people get the most upset about it (probably bc Forest is so lovable everyone wants to protect him). Yes she isn't the best person (I wouldn't judge Forest if he didn't want anything to do with her) but even watching now I see the internal struggle she always has regarding Forest. But his unconditional and relentless love is something hard to let go of for someone who's been through what she has, growing up in a time where she was unable to get the help from mental health experts she would need. So she tries filling her life with sex, drugs, adventure, etc to keep her mind occupied. And being with all those abusive boyfriends is a very common action for someone who's suffered from abuse. And critics ignore that Jenny seems aware of all this and does try to get away to let Forest live his life without her, that's part of why she keeps leaving. But codependent relationships are much more common and harder to leave without unbiased intervention than people think. And every time she sees Forest or gets too deep in her choices she runs back. I think the perspective it just helps play into this subconscious heteronormative idea that women can be a succubus who will use men who love them and drain them of their love and money but not really care about them. Instead of seeing women as actual people with depth and complexity and especially ones who have been through what she has. And they also ignore how the movie portrays her, breaking it down to small bits that obfuscate the complexities. If a woman isn't a completely altruistic character in a story then she is generally considered a bad person (look at how complicated bad men are treated by audiences in media vs women) and then going further with Jenny being more damaged than that makes her hated. I don't personally think a character has to always be the best person morally to be a great character. And furthermore she indirectly helps Forest succeed. His love for her is what often kept him passionate and moving to be successful. And her leaving all those times gave him space to pursue those activities. I'm not saying she's responsible for his success but she definitely didn't undermine it. Though I can't help but feel my heart break every time I see the scene when she leaves one of the times and Forest is with his mom by the lake and rests his head on her shoulders. Pretty relatable to me especially in my younger dating life. It's just a sad reality of life that the people you love may not be able to love you the same way. But it's all part of the depth of the story, Jenny torn between giving forest his space (she tells him numerous times she thinks she's bad for him) but unable to ever completely relinquish that love he has for her. Neither Forest nor Jenny have been given their fair share of direction in life to love in a healthier way (Jenny being broken by her history and Forest not having been taught to move on from unrequited love). But I also think people undermine Forest's intelligence more than he deserves and put all the onis on Jenny. Kind of like many people in the movie undermine his intelligence (fancy that...). Forest isn't stupid, he just treats and perceives situations in more simplistic and naive ways. A big factor of why he thinks he's stupid is that people keep telling him he is rather than his actions being stupid. He's a product of a time before we understood nuero divergent intelligence, yet still succeeds in spite of all that. The man is a captivating storyteller, was an ideal soldier when things were explained in clear unambiguous ways, yet still knew to break rank to save his platoon in Vietnam, he understood everything that was happening in Vietnam and it's dangers, starting a shrimping business (how many of you could get a boat and start shrimping without TH-cam tutorials), didn't let the prostitute sleep with him bc he didn't like her or her breath, understood he was lying in an ad for money, also understands and sympathizes with Jenny's trauma (the not enough rocks line is very underrated imo), etc. He also knows Jenny doesn't love him the way he loves her. He literally calls her out for it and says he understands what love is regardless of what she thinks. He also seems to get that Jenny is dying of Aids (EDIT: It's never explicit what she has) and wants to marry him for the safety and care at the end. Forest chooses this life with her because it makes him happy. I don't really see it as taking advantage of someone cognitively divergent, but two people choosing a situation that works for them. I see it as two wayward souls in a world that doesn't understand how to see anyone not completely binary in their mind and abilities finding each other and living their best life at the end. It's not all perfect, Jenny is not a great person, but Forest is happy and successful. I think that matters. Out of all the critiques on the movie (Jenny, Forest being too pure, coincidences, etc) the only ones that make sense to me now are how weirdly the movie is anti counter culture and pro traditional culture. That anyone can be successful if you pull yourself up by your bootstaps and all the liberals are angry abusive drains in society. And the total belief in a Christian God. I mean damn, the movie implies God caused a storm to ruin the shrimping boats of a bunch of poor black shrimpers just so 2 white guys can become rich. Can't believe I didn't catch that until this viewing. Gump being so effortlessly successful gives unintended creedance to conservative values. As much as I absolutely love this movie and it's one of the few 9 out of 10s in my head cannon, I still can't help but laugh to myself when I think a good tag line would be "Even the dumbest white guy has it easier than minorities and women in this country". But I just blame that on the source material. I mean they fixed up so much from the book (don't read it, I promise you it's not worth it, there's a reason the film rights were sold before the book was published bc the central premise is literally the only good thing about it) it's not surprising some very unuanced anti left aspects stayed involved.
Specifically in a silent voice the teacher is also the worst, he just kinda ignored everything that was going on and did nothing as an authority figure. Not only that but then later he makes fun of it like it was just haha funnies
Yeah, the teacher legit just calls out Shoya in front of a whole class of kids, he did that because he just wanted the mother to stop complaining, he did not care about getting justice for the girl.
For me there’s two types of annoying characters. One is meant to be annoying to certain or all audiences and is actually backed by good writing. The other is kind of the opposite of this and is probably a writer’s nightmare. And it’s when characters get annoying due to bad writing and the audience can tell that character actions are just haphazardly written.
Character whose annoying personality has proper justification, is used sparingly and has a purpose for being there: good stuff Characters who try too hard to be cool, funny or smart causing them to be annoying by accident: not nice at all
I literally wanted to skip the parts where she was involved bc she was so annoying, like dude, stop criticizing the MC just for existing, you're no good either 💀
shes the reason why physical confrontations are gonna start thats why she bullies defendless people and not aggressive people because it will escalate to violence and she knows she cant fight well why? she uses words instead and im going to make my actions hurt so badly that it will not gonna be healed by any technological medical equipment
Sometimes the annoying characters in shows are some of the best, A Silent Voice would be sooo much worse without Miki or Naoka and similarly Euphoria would be worse without Cassie. These characters generally serve to make shows more interesting with antagonists that are more realistic to the real world. I know that you said you had not seen GoT but I think that it shows this off incredibly well with the Lanisters. It allows characters to not have to be evil to have to serve as an antagonist. Writing a character who has deep flaws like many of the ones mentioned in this video can add a lot to a show.
Miki could kill a person in front of everyone, look for you specifically, and blame everything on you and play helpless victim, and the worse thing about it, her performance is too good that people BELIEVE HER!!!
Miki is straight up a clout chaser she literally bullied that girl along with everyone else, and then she tried to act like she is doing a thing those bullies, straight mess that girl up to the point where she tried to kill her self, and then there was that one scene where the deaf girl sister took a video of the black haired girl, and the deaf girl on the ride .she straight slapped. The deaf girl That part broke me. I can’t believe how mean they were.
Something that makes Kawai really stick for me is the fact that she didn’t get any sort of redemption in the story. To me it shows the reality that some people don’t change no matter how much you may want them to. I think it’s one of the reasons why we talk about her so much, as her story reveals something very true about the human psyche that otherwise wouldn’t be showcased in the media.
I honestly think Cartman is a really good character to hate, I mean that is his entire purpose, so you can hate him, but MY GOD did they do a good job making him, even if you try not to hate him you still manage to just want to kick him into the stratosphere, and sometimes he even gets his way, making it even better. And it is so amazing just to see him lose in 1 episode. Props to the creators of South Park for making such a amazing hate-able character
NO BECAUSE ACTUALLY- I despise him in a good way, Cartman is such a good character to absolutely hate, like you said it’s his entire purpose but I fucking LOVE HIM. He’s such a well written character.
funniest thing about cartman is that no matter how crazy his statements are, he is ALWAYS right. think of the episode were he bets 20$ with kyle that if you stick food up your ass ur gonna sh1t from ur mouth, not only does he end up being right but it also turns out to be the healthiest way to eat. fuckin love him
Yep, there's always that one character I dislike but when I watch a horror movie, I dislike every character except the antagonist. Everyone are just so dumb like dumber than a turkey. "I'm going back to avenge my friend" Like hell nah, they're all dead and you survived by escaping from the killer then you dare come back to die lmao.
So true. Miki has the making you the victim and manipulating technique that just angers me. As a person that got manipulated, I can see Miki making people the victim and her manipulating. And even in the manga she was down right just plain annoying. Now for Naoka, I completely hate her, but I prefer Naoka over Miki anytime.
nah kat’s arc in euphoria s1 concludes precisely with the idea that doing all that sexual ‘empowerment’ isn’t really empowering nor is actually helping her so she stops doing the cam thing. the scene from s2 when she breaks up with her bf is like a try to end her constant struggling i think. i mean before that we learn that she feels like she *has* to like him but finally she accepts she doesn’t have to pretend anymore (maddie gives her good advice about it). but also if it was terribly awkward is bc sam levinson literally ruined her character (she really did have an interesting arc) due to a fight with barbie ferreira, its pretty obvious he made kat dirty and it seems like she wont even be at s3. so the worst scene she has is just… bad writing from an anoying director lol.
for me, it’s the characters who use kindness as a method of hurting others that are the worst - lenore from castlevania is a perfect example, manipulating people by thinking she’s nice to only be cruel. they’re always so well written too
I think it's fine if it's clearly being presented as fun wacky comedy. But where it becomes an issue, is how the girl is being presented. Where writers mess up often, is they don't present them all that comedy like and just feels too serious, that said girl is annoying rather than entertaining. Another thing, is people complain about romance dense MCs, but they will never get on the tsundere girls for getting mad at the MC yet refuse to tell him why they are even mad (if he doesn't know what he did wrong, then he can't improve himself, and the girls are actually the insensitive ones for getting mad and not actually saying why), or the fact the girls are rude to the MC almost all the time they talk to him yet all hell breaks loose in and out of verse if the MC dares talk back and say something mean (even though usually the girls deserve any snark or back talk).
I really hate Louise from the Familiar of Zero. Most of the cast really, the main guy in particular is an annoying creep, but Louise somehow manages to be WORSE. Even as a young anime noob I realised that entire show was bullshit.
I have no problem when it’s clear that the creators intend that a character is annoying. But what I can’t stand is when a writer is inserting their half baked beliefs into a character and everyone comments on how smart and/or cool they are. The worst example I’ve seen of this outside of fan fiction, is James Halliday from the Ready Player One novel.
That’s an interesting pick. I guess you can say that Halliday is some kind of deified man, or at least Ernest Cline’s interpretation of one, but because he’s rarely delved deeper into (and also dead by the beginning of the story) I don’t think you can hold him to the “self-insert” mold. Meanwhile, the movie does reduce the god persona, at somewhat of the cost of the novel’s original message (though that reflects more on how Wade and his character arc are written in the movie compared to the novel).
@@Jaysona Nah don't listen to them, they're just a die hard Miki apologist. Miki was a two-faced, self-victimizing narcissist throughout the manga ang movie, yet she never got any repercussions from her actions. If you haven't read the manga, you should definitely check it out- she's a lot worse there compared to the movie.
@So and so Even some shows that I consider to be good have loads of unnecessary fan service (and only for female characters regardless of age) Like code Geass.
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That Silent Voice part really speaks to my soul, they really made those two dislikeable af
The movie make Naoka really terrible, Manga Naoka isn't a saint but can salvages any good will when you try to empathize with her and see how she really feels about Shouya. Manga Miki is a even bigger more slimey snake than she is in the movie
You should've seen them in the manga...bloody hell.
I like her lmaoooo
@@filipesimoes1343 bruh
@@filipesimoes1343 at a loss for words
Trust me, I think almost everyone who watched A Silent Voice knows Miki is annoying, probably even more so than Naoka
Which ones are Miki and noaka I forgot
at least naoka knows she's a bitch, miki plays the victim and that makes her more annoying than naoka.
@@Ethanhoyt427 miki is the blondie, naoka is the one with black hair.
why is Miki even disliked
@@ladong644 Did you not watch the video???
When Miki started crying bc she got “falsely accused” of bullying nishimiya I almost punched my cpmouter screen like what the hell.
Sigh yeah I know how you feel brother
fr! she was in on the bullying and didn't take action for her consequences JUST because she "friended" shoko in the future.
Honestlyyy
What a horrible harolt she is
Silent Voice is legit one of my top 5 favorite movies, it's so beautiful. Shoya's growth is phenomenal and heartbreaking. It would've been better without Miki though, she made me so angry I had to pause some scenes while watching just to calm myself down.
Miki is a pretty important part and shows a lot. But I’m pretty sure lots of people including me hated scenes with Miki lol
That movie was trash. I can’t believe people hype that up.
She does have an integral part by showing how fake people act towards others
@@ExpertContrarian based
@@ExpertContrarianCould you Explain why you feel that way? It ain't helping your case to not give out a reason you just seem like a douche, who likes to ruin stuff for others cause your miserable.
Miki is literally the definition of gaslighting. She constantly has a victim-complex.
Fr she was annoying hell even naoko pointed it out
SHES SO ANNOYING
Miki is literally just those girls in school who would've bullied the disabled or special needs kids and then later on be nice to them in front of their teachers like... DON'T TELL ME THAT'S NOT HER BECAUSE THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT SHE DID!!!
@@zof5394 Yes but no. She wasn't ever nice to the deaf girl, only in highschool when she met her again I believe. Like, after she left, Miki just cried and pretended to have not done anything, and everyone believed her.
Oh wait, nvm I remember that one time after the deaf girl got her hearing aids ripped out of her ears, i think she helped her then. But that's it.
So yes, she has been nice only in front of teachers.
Miki is cassie 2.0 wanna be ''innocent'' girl
Miki is the perfect example of a character I despise. She was literally involved with bullying Shouko in the past but makes it out that she was so innocent and ends up turning everyone against Shoya yet she was *literally* involved in it all.
Right, although the movie didnt flesh out on how terrible she is, she never bothered to actually stop any bullying from progressing, even if people are all like “well she’s probably too scared to confront anyone about it” it never seems like she had that mindset at all and there’s a lot of evidence to back that up.
Dude my sister is the same way she is a little DEMON
What was the name of the show I forgor and wanna watch
And she was ALWAYS crying like she was the victim 🙄🙄🙄
@@Whopperhopp3r the movie called A Silent Voice
Degenerocity's impression of Forrest had me DYING LMAOOOOOOO
😂same here
IM CRYING
Zendussy is genuinely diabolical
Fr tho that shits crazy
Miki is the perfect example of a narcissist because she literally NEVER believes she's in the wrong. It's disgusting
This sounds like my sister
That’s what makes her a good character imo
@@Milkythefawn you mean a good villian.
@@deepfriedmilk258 same man same
@@Milkythefawn 🤨
One extra thing about Miki in A Silent Voice, if you look at the choir scene, you can see Miki start to fake sing just so that Nishimiya (the deaf girl) would start singing, so that she can act like a selfless and loving girl by then telling Nishimiya to start singing when she taps her.
Oh man no fucking way this bitch was a secret gremlin child
Bro the scene mad my piss boil 😡
I always hated her self-righteous, playing the victim ass attitude
Never before have i wanted to go into an anime world for another reason than to see the sexy women before but i just wanna jump through the screen and land a 112x combo haymaker on her.
If you read the manga, you'd hate her more. She's just a pure narcissistic bitch (even in her own monologue).
YES. I liked Naoka as a character because I could understand her. At the end, in her own way, she even tried to bury the past to get along with everyone. Even learned a little sign language. But Miki who acted self-righteous as if she was better than everyone else was insufferable. Every time she cried; in class, on the bridge, with Shoko after she confessed to self-harm, and at the end when she gave Shoya those cranes, every time I wanted to smack her on her mouth. Especially during the scene where Shoko confessed to her what she was going through. She made a big scene in public, putting all Shoko's personal problems on blast to the whole neighborhood. I hate this girl.
But Naoko was literally the reason shoko felt the need to commit suicide, and even then my girl got beaten up by Naoko for shoya being in coma as if she ever asked him to save her. I know it hurt to see a friend in coma, I was also crying for him but the whole thing was naoko's fault mostly yet she kept blaming everything on shoko from the very beginning. Shoko was trying her best to become a happier person as she grew up and make friends, but naoko did everything possible to ruin that and would've succeeded if it wasn't for shoya
Naoko is a borderline sociopath lmao.
Dude, if you actually like NAOKA of all characters, you really need to question your interests!
@@tasie8352Like that was completely unnecessary of her!
@@FloraDArtCatopinion 🤷♀️
Miki just pretends she was an Innocent bystander. She genuinely gaslights everyone else into thinking she didn't play a part in bullying Shouko. She plays the victim and acts all self righteous and like she didn't hurt Shouko, even though she watched everyone else bully her and she never did ANYTHING. but then the minute it becomes a public issue, she tries to be all self righteous.
The single most annoying characters are the ones where in cartoons, they'll always introduce a character for one episode to make the main guy look like trash through misunderstandings or just putting the blame on them and everyone believes it. And the most annoying part about this isn't the new guy acting like a douche, it's how every other character's IQ drops by 60 points just for this set-up to work.
This
You just described Lila from Miraculous Ladybug.
Gumball technically did
this trope where they had Gumball accidentally be the new kid in town and everyone's IQ dropped to room temperature, though his brother tries to bang him...
@@sailorhatguy5763 wait, when did Gumball make anyone look bad when he was "Gumballoppseggwaffleunderpants"?
@@jamilzayas5808 he's both the guy getting all of the praise and the guy who was made look bad (well bad when it comes to his brother) which I find cool
Fun fact to make you hate Miki even more: during the choir part when they were children, Miki opened her mouth and pretended to sing. And since Shouko was following her cue, she ended up singing too early because Miki is a frickin brat and then pretended it wasn’t her fault trying to make herself look good
I was searching whther someone noticed it or not....finally soemoene did...i was so confused when I first watched it tho...
i wish they left that in in the movie bro
i wish someone go switch into a physical confrontation
That's nowhere near as bad as Ueno beating up Shouko in the ferris wheel scene
@@JAM-hg4mp shouldnt the police get the 1 star wanted level on this?
Never felt annoyed by Cassie tbh. Her backstory is truly sad for me, her downfall in season 2. She's making everything worse and worse for herself, which is pretty realistic. Not everyone would quickly redeemed yourself. I hope she will get better in season 3.
Someone need to fire Sam levinson bro, mfr ruined the show and ruined cassie even more...
Never watched the show, but some relatives who were living with us were watching it in the second season while I was focusing on something else...All I could hear was Cassie screaming and wailing in a temper tantrum for 15 minutes straight (y'all know what I am referring to). Like good golly stfu 😂 She did not have a good first impression
exactly! I sympathize for Cassie because literally NO ONE did. everyone HATEDDD her and no one tried to help her, they were just mean
@@StoomsClassics she was spiraling thats how it looks in real life fr
Yes, because Lexi doesn't have the same father.Her being a terrible person over all has to be excused because she is blonde🤡
Interesting how opinions diverge on this. Ryan was my favorite character from the office, I thought his saltiness was pretty funny, the actor who played him is actually a decent comedian in real life
Ryan was annoying but he really added to the show. The show was better with him in it
@@Isaac-eh6uu I actually didn't find him annoying at all, as a viewer. I found it pretty entertaining how his douchiness was able to annoy other characters in the show
it's actually good because people from the office accept he's annoying
The funniest part about Ryan’s character from the office is that B.J. Novak, Ryan’s actor, was one of the writers on the show. So he intentionally make his own character a piece of shit.
A true chad move
@@stackswgoh8256 *insert chad picture here*
@@stackswgoh8256 *kyle
@@SnobbyBird_ *kyle
Am the only person that actually likes Ryan? Specifically in season one he just seemed like a guy who hated working in an office under an obnoxious boss and a few annoying co workers
Miki isn’t just plain annoying, she’s just downright despicable and vile to the core. What’s worse is that there are a lot of people just like her, acting like victims or “bystanders”, making the situation about themselves, and being “self-righteous” and “kind” to show they are good people when they never cared about the bullied in the first place and only did because it will elevated their image, and they NEVER ever get consequences from their actions. I really loathe people like her.
What’s even worse is that these type of people truly believe that they are good. Like they refuse to believe that they are ever in the wrong 😑
yeah, i truly can’t explain the reasoning behind it, but bystanders make me so much more inexplicably angry than the villains themselves. sometimes, i feel almost as if i can forgive a villain, but put the entirety of the blame on the bystanders. i wonder if there’s some sort of phenomenon that covers it bc i feel that most people can agree with that statement
Miki represents white girls on twitter
Ueno atleast admits she's a horrible person whos not capable of liking Shoko but on the further parts of the movie, she forces herself to atleast get along with her with good intentions. Miki never apologized and was stuck to her perfect pure image where she thinks she can never do anything wrong because shes cute (which, is a lie cuz Shoko is way cuter lmao)
@@myhandleisjudis aye man, how are bystanders in the wrong? Some people just don't wanna get into trouble.
My mom told me that when you start feeling any sort of feeling towards a character means they doing they job right and I think that’s true to some degree
Just cuz you hate a character doesnt mean theyre well written, in fact the reason you hate them could be for the opposite reason
@@AAAcronymThe reason can vary. Maybe you hate a character because they are poorly written, or maybe you hate a character because they are hateable on purpose.
@@stonks3507 yeah thats what I said
@@AAAcronym Sorry, I misunderstood what you said.
The part where he said about the peanut allergy about miki really spoke to my heart
Love how the whole comment section is talking about how annoying miki is
Comment section is anime-colonized.
@@Sir_Zombie1ted cause that bitch mad annoying
I was about to say. Where’s the variety??
Hate how there are hypocrites trying to defend Naoko when she physically abused Shouko, which is something even Miki didn't do.
@@JAM-hg4mp i hate both
Finally someone talked about Miki!! She played the victim the entire time, pretended she wasn’t involved in the bullying, and just didn’t own up to her any of her mistakes. She was so annoying and I hated her victim mentality.
she was also attention seeking, does everything all for her own benefit.
YES! I fucking couldn't sand her!
@fck peace deaf girl after getting robbed “sorry my bad”
The fact most popular shows like LA or anime have such annoying characters or protagonists 97% of the time and series shows the majority of idiocy is in the world
I feel really bad for what you said to Miki in a silent voice. Because your a jerk to her I hate you in but I don't
3:12 Zendussy is absolutely, undoubtedly, incredibly, totally,
relatable.🗿
2:00 this man has discovered a new level of disrespect
Poor actor💀
Part of what makes Miki annoying is that we've ALL known someone like that. They're all for the "fun" until they play victim then act like they're superior to everyone in the room.
I thought it was over when i graduated high school but then there are even more people in college like that.
@@dragonlordsaviour7005 that's cause a lot of them have money
Every girl in my middle school years.
Yes to this.
bro I have a "friend" rn that acts like that ALL the TIME, like, basically blatantly racist to me just cuz im white but, just cuz he's Chinese he gets a "I'm not white so it's ok" pass 😐 like no bro. Not to mention the goddam superiority complex he has :/
God, A Silent Voice made me so angry a lot of the time, and on purpose, for sure. It really gets you to understand how bullying is a social phenomenon broader than one or two mean people - it takes a class to bully a kid, often. I was bullied in elementary and middle school and there was a circle of people, only a few actually doing the bullying, the rest laughing, and outside of them other people just watching and doing nothing. I'm deeply not proud of it, but it reached a breaking point in 8th grade, and I lashed out at one of the people who was laughing at me. They weren't even involved in the teasing, just laughing about it. I was suspended for a week, which I didn't end up thinking was much of a punishment because 8th grade was hell, and I got to vibe at home playing Pokemon. anyway, the point is, the bullying I endured wasn't any one particular tormentor, it was the class tacitly agreeing I was an Acceptable Target, and everyone either participating or ignoring it. And as a result of that experience, I felt a deep, visceral loathing for the other kids who joined in/enabled Shouko's bullying, and then refused to shoulder any responsibility.
Dang dude same happened to me.
Luckily I got out of there before it got even worse and it's only years later that I realised this.
Hope you're doing better!
Get bitches
Yes. Most of the time bullying happens cause it's a group. Also the teacher was annoying in silent voice cause he only did something about the bullying when it got bad. He didn't pay attention at all and didn't control his class. Which was most classroom environments where bullying is allowed.
I’m going through the same issues at my new school, I want to have a fresh start and this girl wants to tell everyone what I did in my past, idk what I should do
@@turtle275 no I have better advice you really wanna get at them the girl who’s threatening to tell everybody about your past why don’t you do the same, make up rumors about her as well tell everybody that she’s a nasty hoe or that she does sexual favors for money something along those lines or take it a bit further say that she’s a compulsive liar
Cassie was definitely annoying, but her sister wasn’t any better. Lexi is the type of person to make a self-insert book, and writing a play exposing her sisters secrets is insane. She’s got that “I’m not like other girls 🥴” energy 💀
I loved how at one point during his discussion of Miki, he used Uncle Ruckus' theme from The Boondocks.
Euphoria is filled with the most unlikeable, self centered, self righteous people ever represented in a series I think ever. But I think that's the point. They are the stereotypical high school people taken to the fuckin max, Gen Z on steroids, bad enough to make millennials vote conservative. But instead of humanizing high school, I think it works to the shows detriment, because anytime these characters succeed at something their attitude and actions ruin it. The show is so backwards that the drug dealer is more likeable than the drug addict. Strange asf story telling. the likeable characters rarely take a center role. I think the entire show hinges on unlikeable characters being unlikeable, but convincing u their right in their arrogance. It's marketing genius but at the same time terrible storytelling.
Edit: more terrible than genius... I only mean genius because it has attracted the attention of basically and entire generation... which one can argue was the selling point in the first place.
Euphoria is a brilliant show because it teaches people how to be a good person by showing the WORST people.
@@kingcyclops4079 I would tend to agree with you. Certainly these characters aren't shown in the most flattering way. But I don't know if its convincing people on how to be better, most of the comments I see addressing the criticisms of the show boil down to "its just a work of fiction" which removes any impact it could have on the real world, especially when tackling real world topics like drug abuse or the terrible behaviors these teens exhibit (cheating, gossip, irrationality).
I see a lot of comment actually applauding characters being toxic or confrontational, because they're "empowering" or "owning it" or "being a queen." But that doesn't excuse the intensely irresponsible shit these people do. Shit I'm a teenager and I find it very unsettling. The show shows the consequences, but they are ultimately overshadowed by the immensely glossy, beautifully shot scenes of absolute chaos. If the show were to take a more educational outlook, it wouldn't be popular. Look at what happened with 13 Reasons Why, they basically abandoned the "starting a conversation" motive for the sake of entertainment value.
I'll say this, amongst my friends and I we hate most of the characters in the show, but goddamn do we here applauding those same characters for being themselves or being perfect in their own ways. It's a very strange thing to talk about because I actually WANT to like the show, but with everything it is MEANT to represent, I feel like it misses the mark.
@@aidandavis7657 that's a really good point. The show does kinda go overboard with visual even if it does look good. It would be like John Wick being about the evils of revenge and the criminal underworld but then have these cool ass neon lit fight scenes. So although the message is there it's glossed over by the cool scenes. I said this in a comment, that the show should instead be a movie all about Rue's recovery because Rue as a character is relatable and understandable. You get why she's like this and why she does the things she does. Rue's family perfectly shows the effects of her addiction. She has these "euphoric" moments when she's high but as soon as it ends it gets worse and worse. Compare this to the teen bullshit where people are either selfish, self righteous and manipulative. These are are just shitty awful people, Rue is suffering from horrible disorders and trauma so her cynicism although is wrong you get why she is so cold and you want her to get better.
@@kingcyclops4079 exactly my feelings. they really lean into Rue being absolutely AWFUL which I love. She is broken, she does need help, the problem comes when she's in a position to receive it but refuses it for the sake of feeling free or in control. I think she got the dose of reality she needed when she almost got kidnapped and sold into sex slavery by Laurie (I'm not saying she should've been, just saying it was a traumatic enough experience that she was able to snap out of it). Like she could've went to all the rehabs in the world, and still wouldn't have gotten clean.
Her redemption arc is pretty well handled imo, because at the end of the first season I despised her, by the end of the second I was kind of proud of her, and instead hated everyone else for enabling her!!! The bathroom scene where cassie is worried she looks like shes from Oklahoma, and they ask if Rue is on drugs and she says yes and everyone goes "you relapsed" and then she ADMITS she's smoking weed and they COMPLETELY gloss over it! Like these people are terrible for not taking that shit seriously, but instead they're worried more about Cassie wearing the wrong thing to school??? Elliot and Jules especially allowing her to drink later on in the season.
A kid I know was addicted to xans, went to rehab, and still went to every fucking party getting drunk and high, and did anyone try and stop him? Ofc not because they either couldn't care less or they didn't think it was a big deal. So yeah I think Rue's arc was perfect from the standpoint of being optimistic as well as realistic, and I could definitely do without all the senseless highschool bullshit
every high school is like a zoo, there is nothing to humanize
Miki is a good example of a girl who was in my middle school class. She was a stuck up, always acted sweet and caring to the students and teachers, yet bullied me for no reason, and when I told the teacher and he confronted her about it, she started crying and saying she would never bully anyone and that I was a horrible person for blaming her for something she never did. I ended up getting in trouble, while she got off scot-free. The worst part, was she had a whole clique of friends who also bullied me, but they also never owned up to it.
Damn, I thought something bs like that could only happen in fiction. How unfortunate for you
u got trolled hahahahahahahahahah
Dude if i were you, i would get myself some hitmen when i grow up and teach them a lesson. Definitely make me feel alot better watching them learn a lesson for doing such thing
I had a similar situation in middle school. But my mom was no pussy and did everything to get them trouble and they did.
And they cried in classes two days straight😂
My bully was a known piece of shit among the students, but the teachers ran defense for her bc she'd cry about her abandonment issues every time she got in trouble 🙄
it was funny bc I had a VERY SIMILAR trauma, but the teachers only cared about hers bc she told them first (yes, really, that was the whole reason why she got priority lmao)
THANK YOU!! i have this EXACT view when watching/reading stuff, so it’s rlly hard when ppl who don’t share this are like “BuT wHy DoNt YoU lIkE tHe ShOw” or say something about how the characters “weren’t that bad”. i LOVE how u called out the characters with VALID reasons that i totally agree with! i can’t wait to see a part two and hear more of your opinions! :D
That Euphoria bit was on POINT
that forrest gump impression was amazing💀
that took me out
OKEYYY JENNEYYY
It had me DEAD
Its like the family guy joke
Ikr 😂😂😂
I don’t mind annoying characters as long they: have a legitimate reason thats gets lots of screen time and feels legit, improve a lot and develop as a character, or get what they deserve.
I agree to some degree but there is a line. To me, Nom Nom from We Bare Bears is way past that line. He's unlikable on purpose but if I'm supposed to understand that he's unlikable, I have no reason to wanna repeatedly watch episodes where they try to bait me into thinking he's getting better when I know the episode is almost always gonna end with the revelation that he's secretly planning something scummy.
Characters even acknowledge it & he's sometimes even shown plotting his scummy twist during the episode so I have no clue why someone decided he should be a reoccurring character.
It's like they arbitrarily thought they couldn't drop any of the animal characters but they could only come up with one idea for him so they just basically remade the same episode repeatedly.
It's kinda like Ronaldo from Steven Universe. He feels like one of those people you meet in real life who keep learning the same lesson because they don't have a strong enough moral code to stick to what they learned. It's realistic but it's not interesting & it's extremely irritating.
I don't wanna watch a narcissist who once attempted murder with no remorse learning to be more respectful to his friends when he doesn't deserve those friends in the first place & I know he's just gonna do the same shit in his next episode.
Yeah. Most of the time I really don't mind them. Unless they do something overboard or if they legitimately get too overbearing.
or if they arent just being annoying every 15 seconds, only occasionally so they have more to their character than being annoying but that is still a trait
or if they’re actually funny
0:08 *W E D O N O T C A R E*
Okay
We dont car?
4:06 , my man speaking the super hiper megalomaniac TRUTH , THATS THE TRUTH THAT ALMOST NO ONE HAS THE BALLS TO SAY , just sayin
I literally just rewatched a silent voice and read the manga for the first time and Naoka pissed me off so much I wasnt expecting to see her on this list, but I understand it wholeheartedly
What did she do?
@@askerleaves1614 she’s the person that shows up when you search the meaning of “plays the victim”
@@askerleaves1614 she tries to look innocent while she is just as guilty as everyone eles
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@@askerleaves1614 Spoilers: v
She bullied Shouko okay nothing right? RIGHT? wrong because she literally never grew hated on Shouko for doing nothing beat her up because she apologized? And then she almost does it twice for the same reason blames her problems with her old friends on Shouko when it really is on Shoya (not to say this to hate on Shoya cause Ik he's changed now but come on). Honesty feel bad for her future kids (if she has any(which I hope not so for this very reason)) the amount of trauma they'd have an therapy they'd need. (Also btw this is just referring to anime Naoko I need to reread the manga cause it was a while ago maybe she had a redemption arc tho I do remember that they gave her another reason to hate Shouko but not much).
What I realized about these annoying characters is that most of them don't actually start off the show being annoying, like either they are good or just fine but then somewhere along the line something happens and they just become unbearable.
I feel flanderization is to blame for the characters in shows becoming annoying.
Depending on the type of show, that is the point. Things happen in real life that can change a person and make them toxic and shows will let the audience see what pushes them to that point and how it makes them behave afterwards as a kind of psychological study. It's just that most viewers don't care about that and just end up hating the character instead
like patrick for instance
Kabuto lmao
Chika Fujiwara from Love is War
A silent voice goes crazy it’s so good I didn’t know anyone mainstream knew about it
the ending song had me crying
Miki is literally the embodiment of cancel culture. she gets something that a person did in the past, makes it a big deal knowing the person has changed, and does all of it for no reason in particular.
Oh my God I never say it but that annoying ass hoe would defiantly join in with that self righteous bs.
Don't forget the narcissist tendencies mixed with a victim complex
shes the type of person who will not stop harrasing someone who have anger issues and play the victim but shes the reason why physical confrontation started because of her
It's a good thing cancel culture doesn't exist.
@@battlesister1559 I have a present for her a brazillian wandering spider dont tell her
she is still going to not accept it but im gonna cause chaos with it
That girl from “Indiana Jones: Temple Of Doom” was pretty annoying.
Faxxxx, I forgot about that character
Her only good line was "we're not sinking we're crashing"
@@mexod degenorocity clone th-cam.com/video/QVe39-n7CD8/w-d-xo.html
she’s just yelling and crying i forgot about her.. i wish i kept forgetting
but she's the most op character in the lego video game sooooo there's that
5:08 why because we're quote on quote fat
That free style was absolute fire. I played it for my grandma on life support and she woke up to unplug it herself you making miracles happen out here.
Lowkey I agree with him on EUPHORIA. EVERYONE ELSE I have no interest or hate except for Rue. I honestly really wish the show was just a movie about Rue trying to stay off drugs for her family.
The only characters that are valid for me in euphoria are rue, fez, and lexi
@@estelle6528 true.
thatd be boring
Rue is a bad human being, how do you like her?
cassie and formerly lexi were the only characters I cared about. Cassie is insane to watch. I only watched season 2, season 1 was too edgy for me. And it redeemed Maddie and Rue too and made Nate interesting. And Jules too. I hated every character from what I saw of season 1. But in season 2, it's amazing. I actually kinda hate Lexi now. Cassie is bad too but she's entertaining asf. So entertaining. Kat still sucks though (the character not the actress obviously). Maybe Cassie is annoying but from what I remember of season 2, she was just non-stop entertainment.
I’m so proud of you brother your channel is growing so much and so fast . It makes me happy to be one of your supporters since the 15k
2k 🥱
Same feelings
7k 😎👊
10k W
@@rubber89 that's a big flex
2:30 is wild
Tune at the end went crazy 🔥
“OK JENNNAAYY” nahhh mf is not serious😂😂
Same lmao
Lmfaooo
Fr 😭
Read this right when it played in the video 💀
SAME😭😭
Watching Euphoria with your family is basically the perfect time for embarrassment to get in. Euphoria feels like if a p*rn movie was actually real.
@Mister Majestic Bruh me too. I was in it for Zendaya but then me and my grandma see that pool scene and locker room scene like 😃
Oh look it's the TH-cam Version Of Prodbyzaqq Who D Rides Theneedledrop Everyday
@Mister Majestic degenorocity clone th-cam.com/video/QVe39-n7CD8/w-d-xo.html
@@perplexed1783 “TH-cam version of ProudByZaqq” 🤣🤣🤣
@@perplexed1783 zaqq got alternate versions???
Miki has a special place in my heart to hating her. At least naoka has some awareness that she wronged shouko.
So we just gonna ignore the fact that he said Zendussy 💀 😭
You're probably the only one aside from me who commented on that 😂
Something I always hated about a lot of shows was characters who would be outright assholes, never change, but would get praise and the story would revolve around them as if they’re correct. I have no problem with asshole characters, it’s actually something I like in some in shows I see, but it really grinds my gears when the storytelling acts like they’re not an asshole, because it shows it wasn’t on purpose.
This is close to my views. I also hate it when the Annoying character literally never gets the correct punishment for what they’ve done.
I'm of the opinion that people who write asshole characters without clearly framing them as assholes probably hold some of the same opinions or behaviors themselves, and that's why they lack the self awareness required to incorporate it properly into a story.
Fr i hate that cause the story isn't self aware about it at all. They're right there with it and not only that the worst part and it absolutely will ruin the story for me, when other characters oppose this pathetic annoying character and they're instantly vilified. This character that had a perfectly understandable reason for needing or wanting to oppose this character is either killed off, made out to be a monster, or "redeemed" when they had a perfectly good reason for not agreeing or liking this annoying ass character
@brien yeah actually maybe you're right. Still kinda don't like her
Annie Leonhard is the example of this trope, bitch brutally murdered Levi’s whole squad, said she would do it again without showing any remorse, slept in a crystal for 4 years straight, and then wakes up and have a boyfriend
The worst part of an annoying character is, when he is talking to the main dudes, but the annoying character annoys the fuck out of you, so you just skip the scene, but then you realize that by doing so you are now missing a key part of the plot, so now you have to watch the scene you just skipped just to get that continuity, but you will be even more annoyed because the annoying character is still annoying you, so now you also start disliking the thing you are watching. In conclusion, annoying characters are annoying if they annoy you...I'm looking at you Drake, I wanna skip life when you drop something mid.
spot on
@@Cpt_Katsuragi true true, i guess in other words he's tryna say like this character is so annoying it takes away from the plot in a sense which in some cases is true but i agree with your point as well
@@Cpt_Katsuragi yeah fr like at least watch it all the way
@@Cpt_Katsuragi not everyone can tolerate shit like you
i honestly don't get annoyed enough to literally skip a scene lmao.
10:45 never knew that british rap would sound so good
i first watched a silent voice with my sisters and we all hated miki from when she started crying when she was younger
This is a certified Zendussy classic
Drop the @ of that bad bitch in ya pfp imo
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You people are the reason that Zendaya doesn't show anything in the first place.
The funny
@@jonathanvink6980 wym by u people?
This just made me realize that authors don’t put a lot of effort in developing the female character in their stories, most of the time they are stupid without any interesting motivations to back their actions, it’s obvious if you really think about it.
Not exactly true, it might be quite common but it's far from true to assume most shows are like this, a lot, sure, common I suppose so, but their are many many others where the females get more development, even being the protagonist at many points
Female characters in Bleach and Jujutsu Kaisen are pretty good
@@johnderat2652 Rereading Bleach, I love Rukia so much. She has such a distinct personality and her own motivations.
@@joyc.e.7511 I'm personally rewatching Bleach in anticipation for the TYBW arc getting animated and yeah I love Rukia as well. Also this is a really controversial opinion but imo her and Ichigo would've been great together instead of Ichigo and Orihime
@@johnderat2652 Yep JJK definitely has some actually good and well written female characters who aren't just there for fanservive or as some kinda trophy for the MC. Hell's Paradise or Jigokuraku also has perhaps my favourite female character from anime/manga (Yamada Asaemon Sagiri)
"OH KAY JENNAY" 😂 6:59
Bro, the forest gump part was amazing😂😂👌
I hated Jenny until I realized the reason why she kept rejecting Forrest after somewhat leading him on was because she really did love him but she felt she was taking advantage of him how her father took advantage of her as a child.
Some people look down on Jenny for the way she treated Forrest, probably because they've had difficult relationships themselves. But when you look at what happens with an objective mind you can see she goes out of her way to not harm him. She stays as far away from him as possible whilst she suffers the effects of having been raped as a child. Indeed the worst thing she does is leave him without saying goodbye and deprive him of fatherthood for some time in a later scene. It is quite commendable to limit your pain to yourself rather than becoming corrupted by it to the point of harming your loved ones. It is also quite commendable that Forrest looks past the destructive behaviour she has limited to herself and still sees only the good in her. Whatever limited pain he does experience as an unintentional consequence of her actions he depletes within himself in a productive way through the force of his spirituality th-cam.com/video/tWzbCk18wTw/w-d-xo.html. This is what Eternal Dharma/Soulmateship is all about, indeed this is what Love is all about. Doing the utmost to not harm the harmless, and depleting the pain you do receive within yourself. But all of that requires great spiritual fortitude that has built up over countless lifetimes. Those who are not so spiritually developed risk intentionally hurting others. For them all you can do is set a good example by living according to Principle, and making yourself available to give therm guidance. But you need to be very careful when you do encounter corrupted persons. On the one extreme you should not judge and condemn them as being worthless. On the other extreme you should not destroy yourself to try and save them, which is a risk that exists if you're spiritually driven because you will find something good in them. Instead you should approach everything in life in an intelligent, balanced way. That means just teach thern Principle if they are interested. Without making the mistake of "falling in love" that is actually lust. Such corrupted persons often suffer from being unloved by those they have loved from a young age, such as their parents. So they have a twisted idea of what love actually is and that can lead to bad outcomes when combined with the greed, hatred, ignorance that arises from their pain. If their love remains unrequited they will destroy themselves trying to replace it with sensual pleasures. Their only hope is to find spirituality and serve the Principle of Love itself rather seeking love from others. And your duty is limited to showing them the way if you have the Wisdom to do so. All of this means you should never help anyone in a way that indulges their greed, hatred, ignorance, out of your misguided love for them, because that will actually harm them tbh with you.
EDIT: One other observation, even if I'm maybe reading too much into the story, I came to realize from the conversations in the comments (lots of great responses everyone, love the discussions!) is how I can see where the dissonance with observing Jenny's character comes from. Jenny is a realistic person. Forest is not. Now that isn't a bad thing at all!
I love Forest, he has a lot more depth than people give him credit for, and is the perfect protagonist for this story, but he basically wouldn't exist as is in any real life sense. He's more of an idea of the American myth rather than anything real.
And like Jogoso2014 basically pointed out, if Forest is the idealized version then Jenny is the antithesis. So having this perfect pure boi that is an ideal with this tragically flawed realistic person can feel a bit weird and make her actions seem much more malicious than I think was intended by the filmakers. You want to protect Forest and believe his reality is emblematic of real life.
But if you accept Jenny as she is and are sympathetic you may unintentionally have to accept that 20th century America was pretty crappy for a lot of people especially if they weren't white men. And that's a hard pill to swallow even now in modern discourse. This may be getting a bit too meta but I think it's an interesting observation.
EDIT 2: I see how a lot of people think that Jenny took sexual advantage of Forest. I genuinely disagree as outlined in my OP and comments but I understand the perspective. And arguably she may not even have the foundation to understand true consent, as her first sexual experiences were unconsenting and abusive by the one person who should have protected her in this world. So even if she did, that adds to her tragity and depth imo, sins of the father creates a cycle of abuse.
Just rewatched Forest Gump for like the 5th time: I laughed, I cried, I shrimped, etc. It's one of my favorites. But when reading the discourse of the movie most of the critisism is always with Jenny. Like everyone seems to genuinely think that 30 second Family Guy joke actually is what happens in the movie.
I think it just shows how a lot of people don't have experience or knowledge with sexual abuse victims. Jenny is portrayed fairly tragically and realistically.
There's a reason this part of her life is clearly pointed out as it's integral to her actions. There are so many movies that have Jenny like characters without that background and the depth, but here when it's being done so accurately, is the time people get the most upset about it (probably bc Forest is so lovable everyone wants to protect him).
Yes she isn't the best person (I wouldn't judge Forest if he didn't want anything to do with her) but even watching now I see the internal struggle she always has regarding Forest. But his unconditional and relentless love is something hard to let go of for someone who's been through what she has, growing up in a time where she was unable to get the help from mental health experts she would need.
So she tries filling her life with sex, drugs, adventure, etc to keep her mind occupied. And being with all those abusive boyfriends is a very common action for someone who's suffered from abuse.
And critics ignore that Jenny seems aware of all this and does try to get away to let Forest live his life without her, that's part of why she keeps leaving. But codependent relationships are much more common and harder to leave without unbiased intervention than people think. And every time she sees Forest or gets too deep in her choices she runs back.
I think the perspective it just helps play into this subconscious heteronormative idea that women can be a succubus who will use men who love them and drain them of their love and money but not really care about them. Instead of seeing women as actual people with depth and complexity and especially ones who have been through what she has.
And they also ignore how the movie portrays her, breaking it down to small bits that obfuscate the complexities. If a woman isn't a completely altruistic character in a story then she is generally considered a bad person (look at how complicated bad men are treated by audiences in media vs women) and then going further with Jenny being more damaged than that makes her hated. I don't personally think a character has to always be the best person morally to be a great character.
And furthermore she indirectly helps Forest succeed. His love for her is what often kept him passionate and moving to be successful. And her leaving all those times gave him space to pursue those activities. I'm not saying she's responsible for his success but she definitely didn't undermine it.
Though I can't help but feel my heart break every time I see the scene when she leaves one of the times and Forest is with his mom by the lake and rests his head on her shoulders. Pretty relatable to me especially in my younger dating life. It's just a sad reality of life that the people you love may not be able to love you the same way.
But it's all part of the depth of the story, Jenny torn between giving forest his space (she tells him numerous times she thinks she's bad for him) but unable to ever completely relinquish that love he has for her. Neither Forest nor Jenny have been given their fair share of direction in life to love in a healthier way (Jenny being broken by her history and Forest not having been taught to move on from unrequited love).
But I also think people undermine Forest's intelligence more than he deserves and put all the onis on Jenny. Kind of like many people in the movie undermine his intelligence (fancy that...). Forest isn't stupid, he just treats and perceives situations in more simplistic and naive ways. A big factor of why he thinks he's stupid is that people keep telling him he is rather than his actions being stupid. He's a product of a time before we understood nuero divergent intelligence, yet still succeeds in spite of all that.
The man is a captivating storyteller, was an ideal soldier when things were explained in clear unambiguous ways, yet still knew to break rank to save his platoon in Vietnam, he understood everything that was happening in Vietnam and it's dangers, starting a shrimping business (how many of you could get a boat and start shrimping without TH-cam tutorials), didn't let the prostitute sleep with him bc he didn't like her or her breath, understood he was lying in an ad for money, also understands and sympathizes with Jenny's trauma (the not enough rocks line is very underrated imo), etc.
He also knows Jenny doesn't love him the way he loves her. He literally calls her out for it and says he understands what love is regardless of what she thinks. He also seems to get that Jenny is dying of Aids (EDIT: It's never explicit what she has) and wants to marry him for the safety and care at the end. Forest chooses this life with her because it makes him happy. I don't really see it as taking advantage of someone cognitively divergent, but two people choosing a situation that works for them.
I see it as two wayward souls in a world that doesn't understand how to see anyone not completely binary in their mind and abilities finding each other and living their best life at the end. It's not all perfect, Jenny is not a great person, but Forest is happy and successful. I think that matters.
Out of all the critiques on the movie (Jenny, Forest being too pure, coincidences, etc) the only ones that make sense to me now are how weirdly the movie is anti counter culture and pro traditional culture. That anyone can be successful if you pull yourself up by your bootstaps and all the liberals are angry abusive drains in society.
And the total belief in a Christian God. I mean damn, the movie implies God caused a storm to ruin the shrimping boats of a bunch of poor black shrimpers just so 2 white guys can become rich. Can't believe I didn't catch that until this viewing. Gump being so effortlessly successful gives unintended creedance to conservative values.
As much as I absolutely love this movie and it's one of the few 9 out of 10s in my head cannon, I still can't help but laugh to myself when I think a good tag line would be "Even the dumbest white guy has it easier than minorities and women in this country".
But I just blame that on the source material. I mean they fixed up so much from the book (don't read it, I promise you it's not worth it, there's a reason the film rights were sold before the book was published bc the central premise is literally the only good thing about it) it's not surprising some very unuanced anti left aspects stayed involved.
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@@galstibilj9913 Lemme keep mine short. Jenny a bitch
Specifically in a silent voice the teacher is also the worst, he just kinda ignored everything that was going on and did nothing as an authority figure. Not only that but then later he makes fun of it like it was just haha funnies
Depressingly accurate tbh 💀
Yeah, the teacher legit just calls out Shoya in front of a whole class of kids, he did that because he just wanted the mother to stop complaining, he did not care about getting justice for the girl.
A lot of educators are sadly like that
@@ories8034 and lets not forget the trauma it brought to shoya for the later years. He was the only one struggling.
@@yurika_edits well he kinda deserved it
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO HATES MIKI, she was annoying as hell in the movie💀
3:41 Random guy in the Chun Li shirt jumpscare
4:49 falcon punch epic roll read moment
For me there’s two types of annoying characters. One is meant to be annoying to certain or all audiences and is actually backed by good writing. The other is kind of the opposite of this and is probably a writer’s nightmare. And it’s when characters get annoying due to bad writing and the audience can tell that character actions are just haphazardly written.
Character whose annoying personality has proper justification, is used sparingly and has a purpose for being there: good stuff
Characters who try too hard to be cool, funny or smart causing them to be annoying by accident: not nice at all
I don’t say this often, barely ever, but you got a S tier channel with god tier videos.
Only problem is he don’t upload a lot 😢
@@suggy4721 Quality > Quantity
@@VinexAesthetics right
This video sends us back like 40 years
9:08 Best Voice acting, it really the scene much better than the original.
Miki Kawai is probably one of the most universally hated characters in anime, and it’s well deserved
Agreed, Miki is the definition of playing victim. If she even thought about admitting her bullying, it'd break her.
@@mitsubachihachi9643 im sending myself into a murderous rage because of her
I literally wanted to skip the parts where she was involved bc she was so annoying, like dude, stop criticizing the MC just for existing, you're no good either 💀
shes the reason why physical confrontations are gonna start
thats why she bullies defendless people and not aggressive people because it will escalate to violence and she knows she cant fight well why?
she uses words instead and im going to make my actions hurt so badly that it will not gonna be healed by any technological medical equipment
@@vehicleunhandler I agree with everything you just said
that outro was straight flames, finna make this my new ringtone
I’ve never even seen Silent Voice but I now wanna have Miki catch these hands
7:00 took me out
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They did him wrong 💀💀
O K A Y J E N N Y
Sometimes the annoying characters in shows are some of the best, A Silent Voice would be sooo much worse without Miki or Naoka and similarly Euphoria would be worse without Cassie. These characters generally serve to make shows more interesting with antagonists that are more realistic to the real world. I know that you said you had not seen GoT but I think that it shows this off incredibly well with the Lanisters. It allows characters to not have to be evil to have to serve as an antagonist. Writing a character who has deep flaws like many of the ones mentioned in this video can add a lot to a show.
111 👍
Whatever you say
They’re even better after being humbled
Honestly the lannisters are the best characters in the show for me
@@leonardofarias8843 he's right. Nobody wants to watch a show that has only good folks in it. It's boring af
Been in a bad funk and this made me laugh. It’s so genuinely good and also hilarious, thank you!
10:45 got me rollin' 💀
Kanye Been Really Quite Since This Dropped
@@perplexed1783 I agree 💯 Degenerocity is peak
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Turn up my volume a lil plz
Lowkey sliding 😂
Miki could kill a person in front of everyone, look for you specifically, and blame everything on you and play helpless victim, and the worse thing about it, her performance is too good that people BELIEVE HER!!!
even I thought she was in the right at times...I might just be really stupid but still!
I never thought that hoe was right. I was like "why is she acting like this???? She was involved in the bullying bruh".
Miki is straight up a clout chaser she literally bullied that girl along with everyone else, and then she tried to act like she is doing a thing those bullies, straight mess that girl up to the point where she tried to kill her self, and then there was that one scene where the deaf girl sister took a video of the black haired girl, and the deaf girl on the ride .she straight slapped. The deaf girl That part broke me. I can’t believe how mean they were.
Hear this man shit on Ryan from the office is just music to my soul
Something that makes Kawai really stick for me is the fact that she didn’t get any sort of redemption in the story. To me it shows the reality that some people don’t change no matter how much you may want them to. I think it’s one of the reasons why we talk about her so much, as her story reveals something very true about the human psyche that otherwise wouldn’t be showcased in the media.
I honestly think Cartman is a really good character to hate, I mean that is his entire purpose, so you can hate him, but MY GOD did they do a good job making him, even if you try not to hate him you still manage to just want to kick him into the stratosphere, and sometimes he even gets his way, making it even better. And it is so amazing just to see him lose in 1 episode. Props to the creators of South Park for making such a amazing hate-able character
NO BECAUSE ACTUALLY- I despise him in a good way, Cartman is such a good character to absolutely hate, like you said it’s his entire purpose but I fucking LOVE HIM. He’s such a well written character.
It’s amazing.
funniest thing about cartman is that no matter how crazy his statements are, he is ALWAYS right. think of the episode were he bets 20$ with kyle that if you stick food up your ass ur gonna sh1t from ur mouth, not only does he end up being right but it also turns out to be the healthiest way to eat. fuckin love him
Character assassination should be illegal
Idk most of these characters but it still is insanely entertaining to listen to him
Everyone has that one character they dislike whether it would be anime or show or movie there will always be that one character
Yep, there's always that one character I dislike but when I watch a horror movie, I dislike every character except the antagonist.
Everyone are just so dumb like dumber than a turkey. "I'm going back to avenge my friend" Like hell nah, they're all dead and you survived by escaping from the killer then you dare come back to die lmao.
@@Kiror0_ Squid Game be like LMAO.
you KNOW it’s a good ass day when degenerocity uploads
Edit:BRUH ITS HILARIOUS SEEING HOW I MADE ONE TYPO AND GOT 167 LIKES😭
degenerosiety..
Degenerosociety
@@jojonta2119 degnerenenrosociety
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Degenerussy
I watched this when it was released but every now and thwn youtube recommends it lol
Idc though its one of my fav video essays tbh
7:01 the Forrest impression was the best part
I thought Euphoria was a crypto currency or something
dont give them ideas
I'd rather have Euphoria the crypto currency than Euphoria the show
thats eutherium you're thinking about
I only know Euphoria as a physics engine.
I only think of the song “euphoria” by bts jungkook instead of the show because it’s 1000000000x better than any millisecond of that shit
So true. Miki has the making you the victim and manipulating technique that just angers me. As a person that got manipulated, I can see Miki making people the victim and her manipulating. And even in the manga she was down right just plain annoying. Now for Naoka, I completely hate her, but I prefer Naoka over Miki anytime.
nah kat’s arc in euphoria s1 concludes precisely with the idea that doing all that sexual ‘empowerment’ isn’t really empowering nor is actually helping her so she stops doing the cam thing. the scene from s2 when she breaks up with her bf is like a try to end her constant struggling i think. i mean before that we learn that she feels like she *has* to like him but finally she accepts she doesn’t have to pretend anymore (maddie gives her good advice about it). but also if it was terribly awkward is bc sam levinson literally ruined her character (she really did have an interesting arc) due to a fight with barbie ferreira, its pretty obvious he made kat dirty and it seems like she wont even be at s3. so the worst scene she has is just… bad writing from an anoying director lol.
I just watched part 2 and I don't know everyone you gave enough info to make me laugh. 👍
for me, it’s the characters who use kindness as a method of hurting others that are the worst - lenore from castlevania is a perfect example, manipulating people by thinking she’s nice to only be cruel. they’re always so well written too
That pos got what she deserved lool
Degenerocity basically saying a character >>> Everything in a show which I agree with
I feel you man my most hated characters are just tsunderes they are just so annoying to watch.
i fucking hate tsunderes
I want to kill all tsunderes.
I think it's fine if it's clearly being presented as fun wacky comedy. But where it becomes an issue, is how the girl is being presented. Where writers mess up often, is they don't present them all that comedy like and just feels too serious, that said girl is annoying rather than entertaining. Another thing, is people complain about romance dense MCs, but they will never get on the tsundere girls for getting mad at the MC yet refuse to tell him why they are even mad (if he doesn't know what he did wrong, then he can't improve himself, and the girls are actually the insensitive ones for getting mad and not actually saying why), or the fact the girls are rude to the MC almost all the time they talk to him yet all hell breaks loose in and out of verse if the MC dares talk back and say something mean (even though usually the girls deserve any snark or back talk).
@@robroy373 tldr it has to be done really well for it to actually work
I really hate Louise from the Familiar of Zero. Most of the cast really, the main guy in particular is an annoying creep, but Louise somehow manages to be WORSE. Even as a young anime noob I realised that entire show was bullshit.
Fez, Lexi and Ali were the most non problematic characters on euphoria ngl🫠
This is that "not an anime goof comment talking about zendussy"
Zendaya looks like she escaped from the sewers.
True true
I mean most addicts do so
I have no problem when it’s clear that the creators intend that a character is annoying. But what I can’t stand is when a writer is inserting their half baked beliefs into a character and everyone comments on how smart and/or cool they are. The worst example I’ve seen of this outside of fan fiction, is James Halliday from the Ready Player One novel.
That’s an interesting pick. I guess you can say that Halliday is some kind of deified man, or at least Ernest Cline’s interpretation of one, but because he’s rarely delved deeper into (and also dead by the beginning of the story) I don’t think you can hold him to the “self-insert” mold. Meanwhile, the movie does reduce the god persona, at somewhat of the cost of the novel’s original message (though that reflects more on how Wade and his character arc are written in the movie compared to the novel).
I watched a yt version of silent voice which probly saved me from the demon character of Miki this was a surprise, good video man.
this is the exact reason i didn't watch outer banks, they all seemed so annoying
Bruh I am glad to know I am not the only one who thinks Miki is the worst character from A Silent Voice
#backtothestreets
Miki is always trying to be the victim like holy shit can you have self accountability?
Teacher, the teacher is the worst
you people missed the point of the film so hard
@@wheresmyrooptoff4056 would you please elaborate a little I’m interested
@@Jaysona Nah don't listen to them, they're just a die hard Miki apologist. Miki was a two-faced, self-victimizing narcissist throughout the manga ang movie, yet she never got any repercussions from her actions. If you haven't read the manga, you should definitely check it out- she's a lot worse there compared to the movie.
2:24 this is how I feel about all the fanservice in most animes
FOR REAL i just cant watch anime anymore cause i get too pissed off w all the fan service, i just stick to my Ghibli and Utena and mind my business
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@So and so
Even some shows that I consider to be good have loads of unnecessary fan service (and only for female characters regardless of age)
Like code Geass.
@So and so
Exactly.
@@yams.4308 oof yeah, Code Geass is one of the worst offenders outside of Highschool DxD and Highschool of the Dead 😭