It always blew my mind that simps, including writers in the "industry", would compare STP to Pearl Jam. Anyone with an ear could hear how distinct they actually were. Both the music and Scott's vocals. Thanks for the breakdown. As @portekberm said, the Deleo interview with Beato was really really good. I think STPs Core might have been the first music CD I ever owned. Thanks BMG for that 7 CDs for 7 cents back in the day.
Holy hell. Don't even know how I found this channel, but I'm so glad I did. There's insight here that rivals Rick Beato's "What Make's This Song Great". Such a strong understanding of music.
Oh Ixi is the best! You found a good lil community here. :) Her breakdowns and analysis of theory is done in a way I haven't seen anyone else approach it. And it really connects with me. She also often hosts livestreams here on YT that are a ton of fun. Last one was a "listening party" featuring songs from 1998. Welcome to our little corner of the internet!
For those that don’t know, Robert DeLeo wrote most of the guitar stuff. He’s an incredible bassist and his guitar parts are so unique. He’s all about those jazzy chords. I don’t think people realize just how good he is.
@@psychoticbunnyrabbit9186 love that interview! And yes. He seems like the most genuine and nicest rockstar of all time. I’m not exaggerating. Super humble. Love Robert. It’s a shame he only had l a short time with Scott being in a healthy place in his life. STP should have been successful for many years. All the ingredients were there.
Purple, Tiny Music, and Number 4 are such an amazing trio of albums. Even with Scott going off the rails, those records are magic. That band should have been massive.
I remember a brief debate with a kid in my class, Johnny, when he said that STP were just copying Pearl Jam. This is when "Plush" was their big hit. I immediately said "no no no," and highlighted how they're using a different harmonic palette, and Johnny said "well, you're a musician, so you hear it differently," I of course always remember Johnny's flattery. Anyway, it's nice to see you and Rick Beato highlighting exactly why STP had such sweet dissonance in their songs, which I never studied or even listened to that much. I might be exploring them a bit now! Thanks for the video! BTW, another song outside of their canon that uses this chord to great effect is Neil Finn's "Lullaby Requiem."
i don't know much about music theory nor do i know how to read music but... stp copying pearl jam? wrong. and this is someone who prefers pearl jam over stp but i do love both bands. they're totally different bands.
@@thevoid99 I assume you didn't grow up in the 90s? I'm Ixi's same age...and it's SO funny to think back to my middle/high school years, because debates like that were super common. STP were universally considered redundant hacks. Same goes for Silverchair and Bush. But looking back, it's so easy to see how genuinely great _all_ those bands were and how shortsighted we all were. Silverchair especially imo. They never got their due in America. The growth and evolution and proficiency across their 5 albums is astonishing. Especially the album Diorama...a 10/10 masterpiece. And when you listen to Bush's "Science of Things" it's hilarious to remember them being called Nirvana clones. And STP...same thing. They were an objectively brilliant band. And Scott was a singular live frontman. But the 90s was full of SO much great music, that it was easy back then to overlook the kind of bands I mentioned.
Cold and untrue take - STP is a Pearl Jam Ripoff. Hot and totally true take. STP has more beautiful music than Pearl Jam. Maybe STP never came close to matching the brilliance of Ten. But Pearl Jam didn't have as many great albums as STP did in the long run.
Good to see you Ixi!!! Pretty Penny is two seperate guitars that souond like a single insutrment. throughout the song, the riffs are played with one guitar playing the high melodies and the other playing the base chords. The only section actual bass is used on is chorus,the bridge riff, and ending riff of the song. So for the chorus of the song, the guitar playing the base chords just plays an inverted Asus(add flat 9) while the guitar playing the melody plays a decending lydian pattern on the second string while also playing the open 1st string, which gives it that almost sitar like quality you're referring to. The first part of that figure contains a bend from E flat to E so it becomes an E2 over E2, so it does create a unison.
i wish i saw you review one of slint's songs especially breadcrumb trail as i'm so curious about the theory behind it. it's very dissonant and really weird time signature switches going on at almost all times. i learned playing the riff at "creeping into the sky..." part on guitar, it always blows my mind when i play it
Awesome! You are the perfect person to breakdown STP's chords!!! They have such a rich vocabulary of chords!!! I hope you break more of their songs down in the future!!
@@johngrunwell6101 They are pretty melodic and move around. Revisiting them they remind me a little of early Tool with Paul D'amour, not Justin. Probably a lot of it is the tone and how prominent they are in the mix.
Robert Deleo (the bass player) wrote the music for the majority of STP's catalogue. It's interesting to note that most of the songs you featured actually weren't written by Robert. His brother Dean (guitar player) wrote most of them. And Eric Kretz (drummer) wrote Trippin'. Just to be clear though: Scott wrote all of STP's lyrics (and almost all of the vocal melodies).
The Robert Deleo interview is interesting on the Rick beato channel.. …the fancy pants stp chords are from when Robert played in an amp shop so they would know the fancy chords to make the amps sound good to demo them, mesa boogie I think That interview really shows how much of the stp music Robert the bass player wrote, including the guitar parts
Hearing you play on the 4th and 5th album I think it could have used some keys. The keys really brought out the unique chord sounds. Have you heard STP's demo song, "Only Dying"? If you haven't give the remaster version a listen. I think it''s one of their best songs.
I definitely perceive a connection between their cover of Dancing Days and their love for this chord. Paper Heart especially feels like there's a straight-up tribute in there.
I recently discovered the CMaj7add#11 cord and in trying to write a song around it started studying the lydian scale. Many people absolutely hate this scale. Possibly less popular than the locrian. It almost only ever works as a mode for a chorus or verse or bridge but never more than 1. I noticed that the masters of the mode were Fleetwood Mac, STP and Led Zeppelin. The pinnacle of its use in rock composition is by far Dancing Days, which of course STP covered. I'm that is not a coincidence. These guys are obsessed with this scale.
it's Dancing Days! Has anyone ever noticed in Vasoline, on at least one of the choruses, he sings "somewhere in the mescaline". It's pretty low in the mix, but I'm pretty sure he says it and I wasn't just hearing things
Great video! Not to diminish the great things that STP did musically with this, but…isn’t it heavily inspired by Led Zeppelin’s Dancing Days (which STP also did a great cover of, not-so-coincidentally)? That makes it feel both much less mysterious to me, but also fascinating just how many different ways and places this voicing was used. :)
The wonder here with lydian has to do with the fact that we are (in the West) culturally centered on tertiary harmony. Consonance to us is based on thirds. The primary cadence in this context is the V --> I. Your standard V --> I resolves that tritone to a tertiary harmony. e.g. B and F both resolve by half step - in "contrapuntal" directions no less to a tertiary harmony: 1 and 3. This is reinforced by strong perfect fourth root movement. G --> C. So strong root movement with simultaneous and contrapuntal half step voice movement in opposite directions. It's a perfect storm of voice movement. Lydian - in this use case - is similar in where it starts, a tritone in need of resolution - but different in that the resolution just resolves the fifth. It's a more interesting form of "suspending" voices In this case mainly the voice movement is #4 to 5. You could argue that the resolution is the whole step from #4 to 3 but this movement is relatively weak. Half steps are much stronger. Arguably it sounds "magical" because it's just a droning chord (a modal vamp) rather than a fully fledged cadence. If you're a fan of "kind of blue" by Miles Davis - same concept - that album is pure magic for much the same reason
So the Vasoline chord. You are right that there is a #11 but it's not just a sharp 11# chord. Its Bbmaj7(#11,13). It's why you hear that wobble. On guitar that would be 6 on the Low E, 7 on both The D and G string, 8 on the B and an open high E. This exactly how Dean plays it on both the record and live and its easily searchable in their live performances of said song
The guitar parts shown by this guitarist aren't helpful. They're blurry, noisy, at a bad camera angle, and don't add any educational context. I think just a fretboard chart for these unusual chords would be better so we can learn and play it ourselves.
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Dorian in the streets, Lydian in the sheets.
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The DeLeo brothers are true guitar heroes and music writing masters.
I became a permanent fan the first time I heard Scott sing. Definitely my favorite grunge/ alternative group.
Would have loved to have seen a collab between STP and NIN....the keys that choose and their voices together would have been magical :)
They did make an album (Army of Anyone) with ex-NIN guitarist/Filter frontman Richard Patrick and it worked surprisingly well.
@@justincordraythat was pretty good. then came scott stapp and he ruined everything.
STP has many great, crazy chord voicings.
It always blew my mind that simps, including writers in the "industry", would compare STP to Pearl Jam. Anyone with an ear could hear how distinct they actually were. Both the music and Scott's vocals.
Thanks for the breakdown. As @portekberm said, the Deleo interview with Beato was really really good.
I think STPs Core might have been the first music CD I ever owned. Thanks BMG for that 7 CDs for 7 cents back in the day.
You're right. I could make out how distinct they were from way back. Lazy musical journalism with their lazy narrative unfairly pigeonholed STP.
Holy hell. Don't even know how I found this channel, but I'm so glad I did. There's insight here that rivals Rick Beato's "What Make's This Song Great". Such a strong understanding of music.
Oh Ixi is the best! You found a good lil community here. :)
Her breakdowns and analysis of theory is done in a way I haven't seen anyone else approach it. And it really connects with me. She also often hosts livestreams here on YT that are a ton of fun. Last one was a "listening party" featuring songs from 1998. Welcome to our little corner of the internet!
For those that don’t know, Robert DeLeo wrote most of the guitar stuff. He’s an incredible bassist and his guitar parts are so unique. He’s all about those jazzy chords. I don’t think people realize just how good he is.
Rick Beato interviewed Robert DeLeo. Probably my favourite episode. Cool guy and as you said incredibly talented!
@@psychoticbunnyrabbit9186 love that interview!
And yes. He seems like the most genuine and nicest rockstar of all time. I’m not exaggerating. Super humble. Love Robert. It’s a shame he only had l a short time with Scott being in a healthy place in his life.
STP should have been successful for many years. All the ingredients were there.
YES! Thank you for shining a light on this underrated band, especially on the album Purple
Really enjoyed the addition of the the guitar player! I play guitar and no problem understanding his descriptions. Looking forward to more of these.
Purple might be one of my favourite albums of all time
The same Lydian tension is also used in Placebo's Special K (verse theme) and Deftones' My Own Summer (bridge). :)
I was just thinking the other day that I wanted to know what that chord was that they always used. Thank you! Very educational.
Thank you for this, love it. Between your video and the Robert DeLeo interview on Rick Beato's channel I've learned some much about why I love STP.
I played guitar in an STP tribute project for awhile. Figuring out all these chord voicings was a real treat and I became a better musician for it.
Wolmar said, after showing me a progression "...crazy voicings"
Purple, Tiny Music, and Number 4 are such an amazing trio of albums. Even with Scott going off the rails, those records are magic.
That band should have been massive.
Pretty Penny on the piano sounds beautiful!
Your going to make me go into a Stp deep dive with this video. God love them. Wish Scott was still here..... 😢
I remember a brief debate with a kid in my class, Johnny, when he said that STP were just copying Pearl Jam. This is when "Plush" was their big hit. I immediately said "no no no," and highlighted how they're using a different harmonic palette, and Johnny said "well, you're a musician, so you hear it differently," I of course always remember Johnny's flattery. Anyway, it's nice to see you and Rick Beato highlighting exactly why STP had such sweet dissonance in their songs, which I never studied or even listened to that much. I might be exploring them a bit now! Thanks for the video!
BTW, another song outside of their canon that uses this chord to great effect is Neil Finn's "Lullaby Requiem."
i don't know much about music theory nor do i know how to read music but... stp copying pearl jam? wrong. and this is someone who prefers pearl jam over stp but i do love both bands. they're totally different bands.
@@thevoid99 I assume you didn't grow up in the 90s? I'm Ixi's same age...and it's SO funny to think back to my middle/high school years, because debates like that were super common. STP were universally considered redundant hacks. Same goes for Silverchair and Bush. But looking back, it's so easy to see how genuinely great _all_ those bands were and how shortsighted we all were. Silverchair especially imo. They never got their due in America. The growth and evolution and proficiency across their 5 albums is astonishing. Especially the album Diorama...a 10/10 masterpiece.
And when you listen to Bush's "Science of Things" it's hilarious to remember them being called Nirvana clones. And STP...same thing. They were an objectively brilliant band. And Scott was a singular live frontman. But the 90s was full of SO much great music, that it was easy back then to overlook the kind of bands I mentioned.
Cold and untrue take - STP is a Pearl Jam Ripoff.
Hot and totally true take. STP has more beautiful music than Pearl Jam.
Maybe STP never came close to matching the brilliance of Ten.
But Pearl Jam didn't have as many great albums as STP did in the long run.
@@filho4437 PJ's quality diminished dramatically after 10.
Fantastic video. I’d love more like this.
core was the second cd album i ever bought right after pearl jam 10
thank you. so inspired
One of my favourite songs that uses Lydian is Head Over Heals by Tears for Fears
Good to see you Ixi!!!
Pretty Penny is two seperate guitars that souond like a single insutrment. throughout the song, the riffs are played with one guitar playing the high melodies and the other playing the base chords. The only section actual bass is used on is chorus,the bridge riff, and ending riff of the song.
So for the chorus of the song, the guitar playing the base chords just plays an inverted Asus(add flat 9) while the guitar playing the melody plays a decending lydian pattern on the second string while also playing the open 1st string, which gives it that almost sitar like quality you're referring to. The first part of that figure contains a bend from E flat to E so it becomes an E2 over E2, so it does create a unison.
Wow just discovered your channel after watching the Pyramid song breakdown, ixi like a female Rick Beato with her knowledge
i wish i saw you review one of slint's songs especially breadcrumb trail as i'm so curious about the theory behind it. it's very dissonant and really weird time signature switches going on at almost all times. i learned playing the riff at "creeping into the sky..." part on guitar, it always blows my mind when i play it
Stp never let's you down. The sex & violence chorus sounds great on piano
Awesome! You are the perfect person to breakdown STP's chords!!! They have such a rich vocabulary of chords!!! I hope you break more of their songs down in the future!!
Weird timing, I just started learning some STP bass lines this week. 😅 Thanks for another great breakdown!
They're quite athletic bass lines!
@@johngrunwell6101 They are pretty melodic and move around. Revisiting them they remind me a little of early Tool with Paul D'amour, not Justin. Probably a lot of it is the tone and how prominent they are in the mix.
I love your work, you're amazing
Robert Deleo (the bass player) wrote the music for the majority of STP's catalogue.
It's interesting to note that most of the songs you featured actually weren't written by Robert.
His brother Dean (guitar player) wrote most of them.
And Eric Kretz (drummer) wrote Trippin'.
Just to be clear though: Scott wrote all of STP's lyrics (and almost all of the vocal melodies).
It makes sense that the guitar player would write with these chords than a bass player
IXI x STP ..... my heart asplode 🥺
I feel the same. STP has always been my favorite group and she is awesome!
Amazing video! I love this albums so much, such impressive compositions.
Such fun!! Love your work here! Kiddo and I will get to enjoy and discuss these videos together, sharing in the learning.
I love it, thanks😊
Absolutely amazing, as always!
They covered a Led Zeppelin song called Dancin Days that has this same chord. It’s STPs favorite
Jimmy Page used Lydian a lot as well and he was a huge inspiration to Dean.
Go Volmar ❤
i know nothing about stone temple pilots but #11 is my favourite chord so maybe i have a new band to get into
Frank Zappa would say you have to “put eyebrows on it” to fully realize a performance.
The Robert Deleo interview is interesting on the Rick beato channel.. …the fancy pants stp chords are from when Robert played in an amp shop so they would know the fancy chords to make the amps sound good to demo them, mesa boogie I think
That interview really shows how much of the stp music Robert the bass player wrote, including the guitar parts
Oh really? Well, I guess I put the wrong dude on the thumbnail then!
Very cool! Love the guest appearance! If you ever want to do a similar thing with a guitar part from Tool, I got cha! 😂🤘
Hearing you play on the 4th and 5th album I think it could have used some keys. The keys really brought out the unique chord sounds.
Have you heard STP's demo song, "Only Dying"? If you haven't give the remaster version a listen. I think it''s one of their best songs.
Zeppelin did a lot of that.
Absolutely. Dancing Days is the first song that pops to mind.
I couldn’t keep Dancing Days out of my head this entire video.
They were on the Zeppelin tribute album doing dancing days,...def some Page influence all the way through!
I definitely perceive a connection between their cover of Dancing Days and their love for this chord. Paper Heart especially feels like there's a straight-up tribute in there.
I recently discovered the CMaj7add#11 cord and in trying to write a song around it started studying the lydian scale.
Many people absolutely hate this scale. Possibly less popular than the locrian.
It almost only ever works as a mode for a chorus or verse or bridge but never more than 1.
I noticed that the masters of the mode were Fleetwood Mac, STP and Led Zeppelin.
The pinnacle of its use in rock composition is by far Dancing Days, which of course STP covered.
I'm that is not a coincidence.
These guys are obsessed with this scale.
Can you guess what I'll be practicing?
Yes guitars have 6 strings .. >< Jus joking around
oh sheesh I meant 12 string - did I say 6? haha
it's Dancing Days! Has anyone ever noticed in Vasoline, on at least one of the choruses, he sings "somewhere in the mescaline". It's pretty low in the mix, but I'm pretty sure he says it and I wasn't just hearing things
Id love an analysis of chris cornells vocals, zero chance in particular has some great stuff
WOLMAR MVP!
So rad
Does Tori Amos use the same or a similar chord at the 3min 25sec mark of the song Little Earthquakes ("I-I-I-I can't reach you")???
Great video! Not to diminish the great things that STP did musically with this, but…isn’t it heavily inspired by Led Zeppelin’s Dancing Days (which STP also did a great cover of, not-so-coincidentally)? That makes it feel both much less mysterious to me, but also fascinating just how many different ways and places this voicing was used. :)
Have you listened to boys for pele yet? ☺️
The wonder here with lydian has to do with the fact that we are (in the West) culturally centered on tertiary harmony. Consonance to us is based on thirds. The primary cadence in this context is the V --> I.
Your standard V --> I resolves that tritone to a tertiary harmony. e.g. B and F both resolve by half step - in "contrapuntal" directions no less to a tertiary harmony: 1 and 3. This is reinforced by strong perfect fourth root movement. G --> C. So strong root movement with simultaneous and contrapuntal half step voice movement in opposite directions. It's a perfect storm of voice movement.
Lydian - in this use case - is similar in where it starts, a tritone in need of resolution - but different in that the resolution just resolves the fifth. It's a more interesting form of "suspending" voices In this case mainly the voice movement is #4 to 5. You could argue that the resolution is the whole step from #4 to 3 but this movement is relatively weak. Half steps are much stronger. Arguably it sounds "magical" because it's just a droning chord (a modal vamp) rather than a fully fledged cadence.
If you're a fan of "kind of blue" by Miles Davis - same concept - that album is pure magic for much the same reason
Jimmy Page was a huge influence on Dean!
@iximusic I'd love to hear your take on peculiar chords of Right and Wrong by Joe Jackson
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Not enough can be said about the notes Robert played on bass underneath Dean’s guitar work.
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Hey beautiful, you’re awesome
So the Vasoline chord. You are right that there is a #11 but it's not just a sharp 11# chord. Its Bbmaj7(#11,13). It's why you hear that wobble. On guitar that would be 6 on the Low E, 7 on both The D and G string, 8 on the B and an open high E. This exactly how Dean plays it on both the record and live and its easily searchable in their live performances of said song
The vasoline chord on the guitar isn't what the nice dude played..
FIRST
The guitar parts shown by this guitarist aren't helpful. They're blurry, noisy, at a bad camera angle, and don't add any educational context.
I think just a fretboard chart for these unusual chords would be better so we can learn and play it ourselves.
Surely you could’ve found a guitarist with a better video camera and who could communicate better
2:08 Friends led Zeppelin ))