Confusing songs that are actually in 4/4!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
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0:00 - Intro
2:15 - Song 1
6:48 - Song 2
9:46 - Song 3
12:44 - Song 4
13:45 - Song 5
18:43 - Secret song - บันเทิง
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"everything is in 4/4 if you're brave enough"
when the drums come in on pyramid song is probably my favorite moment from amnesiac, everything starts to line up so perfectly
it's in 12/8 and the reason it hits so hard when the drums come in is for that reason.
Aye it do be phatt
@@AKAtAGG what about spectre? I don't know music theory much but I think they like to play with drums coming in a the 3rd beat or something instead of the usual expected ones. Absolutely love it.
@@JackMorgan06 it isn't. it's just easier to say it is/
@@AKAtAGG Ahhh I think I know what you're saying now, are you saying it's in 12/8 because you're counting the swing in the time signature? Whereas I'm saying it's 4/4 that swings?
Correction: Kimyan is Austrian-Congolese! He messaged me and sent me more songs of his that are also in 4/4 but don't sound like it: Premiére Neige (same rhythm as Mortal Life but with a clearer 4/4 subdivision), Uaminifu, and Seven Ant Foley.
I really appreciate the aesthetic choice of "songs that the artists (almost certainly) felt in 4/4" over "it adds up to 16 beats so it's 4/4" that I feel like a lot of youtube music essayists would likely do. As someone who has written (6+7+8+11)/8 and remixed others' into (11+13)/8 the distinction is dear to my heart.
And I really appreciate your comment because I think some people missed that point and I started second guessing that I had made that distinction clear in the video!
I think sometimes the aspect of division is missed. Such like we can have 6 or 3 meter. How its written may have less convention but I did a piece in 16/8 once to represent the changing grouping that was more like 6 6 4. Oh they can say 12/8 is in 4 with triplets too I purpose
2:15 The Pot - Tool
6:48 Myxomatosis - Radiohead
9:46 Entertain Me - Tigran Hamasyan
12:44 The Grid - Tigran Hamasyan
13:45 Mortal Life - Kimyan Law
18:43 (Secret song)
Thanks! I was looking for "10,000 - Fool". Yes, that's what I got from the album art.
This is probably one of the best music channels that I've watched for what feels like ages but still hasn't absolutely blown up. Nothing else like you ixi!
Completely.
I am in absolute awe at how Tool can keep their shit together with all their changing time signatures and polyrhythms.
as someone who can play rosetta stoned, practice. lots and lots and LOTS of practice.
*can play rosetta stoned on drums. forgot to specify.
hella impressive dude!@@1tsam1r1cle3
@@1tsam1r1cle3Have you tried Invincible yet? Been practicing it for almost a year now using Johnkew as a great reference, and god, finishing work and hopping on the throne to play Invincible is one of the very, very few cathartic experiences I have in life these days. Props for rocking on Rosetta Stoned!
Lmfao, Meshuggah has been doing that since 1995.
That Tigran stuff is basically Djent/Meshuggah on the piano!
Yeeeep. Love his album Mockroot. He even has a song with Tosin Abasi on his new album that's mid but fun.
I was just thinking this! So cool!!
As someone who gets thrown off the underlying beat by surface level syncopation really easily, this is exactly the kind of breakdown that I need.
I grew up accidentally hearing my parent's record of Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away" incorrectly, and after spending 40+ years getting used to odd time signatures and frequently changing time signatures, when I finally heard it again, I can't hear it correctly; to this day I hear the shifting syncopations as (effectively) dropped and added beats.
Yeah tigran takes that Meshuggah rhythm thing and adds in all those gorgeous Armenian scales and additional complexity. The ultimate “no fucking way this is in 4/4” is his song Vardavar. I find it impossible to feel in 4/4, but apparently it is.
This video is amazing!! I love polyrhythms, they scratch an itch in my brain like nothing else.
Oh my god. Pyramid song has always been just slightly out of reach for me to fully grasp it, let alone do a respectable cover…you just blew it wide open. When you sped up that familiar beat that I have played a thousand times before on drums, and in many contexts…but how did I not hear it all this time? When you said “feel like we are in the boat…” it was such an aha moment. A truest holy shit moment really. Now I can do a proper cover of this song, and not have to do a lame fudging of the piano part or whatever. But moreover, I UNDERSTAND IT. And I understand HOW it works and why it was so hard to wrap all my pink and gray mess around this song for all these years.
Amazing! So glad my aha could give you your aha!
Ixi and Beato are the best music channels on youtube. Not only is their analysis very interesting and informative, personally, I love that they analyze the bands I love... from the 80s, 90s and 00s. ❤
They're both fantastic, I'd add in David Bennett Piano as well. Thing about Rick Beato is that he seems to neglect all current music and write it off, he's sort of rose-tinted. But the content is still quality. Love Ixi though!
@@stephenoxfDefinitely David Bennett. Also like 12-tone and Adam Neely. Beato is ... yeah, a bit curmudgeonly with modern music and he's fallen off my radar, but he has great content out there, too.
No exaggeration, I spent 2 years thinking about what time signature Pyramid Song was in before finally understanding... it was in 4/4 all along.
Love the rhythm of Pyramid Song, and yes indeed it's 4/4 with those wonderful dotted notes to throw us all off.
It would be sick to do a video on songs that are in odd time signatures but that flow so naturally you don't even notice that they AREN'T in 4/4. One of my favourite off time riffs that really sounds like 4/4 is Soundgarden - Kyle petty, son of Richard. Matt Cameron is a master at those weird meters
I thought about doing that video! Because that's how you know the odd time groove truly grooves. I don't have a song collection ready to go for that topic. I think I would have to poll the masses. Would you say Fell On Black Days kinda has that feeling? I'll bet a lot of songs in 6/4 feel like 4/4 to many ears. And partly it's because I feel like it's often grouped as 4 and 2.
Kyle Petty, Song Of Richard - around 1 minute mark right? That's noice.
instantly thought of snarky puppy after reading this 😂 they make 7/8 sound so natural
Dramamine by Modest Mouse is a good one. Also the song Teeth Like God's Shoeshine, it starts in 4/4 then changes and you hardly notice.
Watching my favorite music theory analyst dissect polyrythym and polymeter...
Sublime.
Thank you!!!! I’m a guitarist and had a go at playing pyramid song on my wife’s Kawai mini grand - beautiful instrument - as I thought it looked pretty simple chord wise, but I just couldn’t intuit the rhythm. This has been a MAHOooSIVE help. I’ve subscribed to catch your dedicated video. Also, I fell in love with you mic only to find it has already passed. RIP.
Oh man when you started clapping on that kimyan law track... I felt the shift physically.
Never would have anticipated seeing Kimyan Law on here, his production is so unique and an absolute breath of fresh air!
i love watching your brain work, Ixi. You are a treasure. its so refreshing to see music analysis on youtube. keep 'em coming!
Kimyan Law is actually Austrian and not Australian, had the honor of meeting him backstage in Fluc in Vienna couple of years back, lovely fella :)
Burial feat. Spaceape - Spaceape is another rhythmically interesting track actually in 4x4
I've made a minimix 10 years ago of somewhat weird 170 bpm beats, it's on mixcloud as "Deep Session 10 Minimix by Sebastard"
Awesome vid Ixi!
First time on your channel. You're fun! Thanks.
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you!
I had the huge luck of seeing Tigran live twice so far, his shows are amazing
Love this so much! As a quick note for the incredibly tricky Tigran Hamasyan tune(love their music btw) there is a very mind boggling series of phrasings that add up to 32, so it doesn't even out until what actually is more like 2 full measures. 5-5-7(17) and then 5-5-5(15), so really just throwing all those odd tuplets at us.. all adding up to 32, which is a multiple of 4. Pretty incredible
Instant subscriber after this video. Your music taste is impeccable.
God bless you for including album art to help folks who want to skip around
always fun to see musicians I admire interacting on yt. love your rh covers
@@michaelroberts1064 This must be what it's like to be recognised in public 😂 Thanks for the kind words!
i love love love your channel. your content is so easily digestible given the complexity of the music you work with, and your passion really shines through. thank you for making the videos you do ❤️
I’ve always been interested in polyrhythms but can never seem to figure them out myself. One of the reasons why I like Djent music.
Great lesson here. Thank you IXI. ❤️🤘🙏
Its been a minute since ive been on your chanel - and you're over 50k now! Holy COW!! I'm sooo happy for you. You are a gem :)
the last one really broke my brain. good job!
The ENTIRE STRUCTURE of “Entertain Me” comes off as one huge breakdown you could easily hardcore dance to.
And then the breakdown itself. This song is more monstrous in that way than most ACTUAL hardcore songs.
(Botch could collab with him)
that'd be a dope collaboration
That Mockroot album is basically prog metal but with a piano as lead instrument instead of guitar. It’s amazing.
You are phenomenal! Your videos bring so much knowledge and joy.
You’re awesome and this was point-ful
I've been sharing your video with friends too, some of them musicians, and everyone loves it! Please keep it up!
The official score book of Mahavishnu Orchestra songs, which was supposedly Mclaughlin-approved, notates "You Know, You Know" entirely in 4/4, with the first note on the and of 4
That is. Weird.
hearing you break down that Tigran song has me wanting to see you analyze some Meshuggah! Most of their stuff is a similar concept, with Haake on the drums keeping a 4/4 or 3/4 pulse in the hats and snare while the kick and the rest of the band just go polyrhythm crazy
How did I find your channel only yesterday? I don't know, but now I'm a fan. After listening to you, I have to listen to every song you've been through. Awesome. Thanks.
Fantastic video as always, ixi!
I'm so glad I found your channel! We have similar taste in music, so I'm shamelessly logging all your recommendations. And, this video is exactly the type of shit I think about daily, so please keep 'em coming! 🙏🏼
This video was fire, subscribed! Great analyses
Your channel is amazing, I'm really happy I found it before
Majestic!
Surprising artists that I didn't know about, artists that I love so much, you have a big point about the analysis, first time i see you... it was worth so there it goes the like & subs
I love your secret song, "Pyramid Song." I had the privilege to listen to this song at a Radiohead concert in Boston like five years ago. This song is magic when you hear it live. It's like the piano is flooding your senses, and at the same time, the music is caressing your head and involving you in the void of existence. Damn.
Cheers for including Tigran as he is probably my favorite artist of all time. Kimyan Law I was not aware of so thank you for that too!!
I’m obsessed with this channel!
You’re absolute badass!!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Recently saw Tigran live, one of the most impressive live performances of my life, Great video!
6:40 it's not obnoxious!! I was smiling thinking you were gradually fading out _your_ counting to let the viewer continue to count themselves as the drums kicked off! 😂
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG. 🖤🖤🖤
hey, I was trained in jazz drums throughout school (I'm a producer now) and I love how in all of these songs, I immediately recognized the tracks as 4/4. It's really interesting to see how other artists view and learn about rhythm. Wonderful video!
I have the BIGGEST crush on ixi 😭😭. Not because of her looks (but she is beautiful), not because of her style (but she’s eccentric and enigmatic), and not because of her taste in music (although it’s amazing). It’s because of her love for the most cerebral complexities of music and pulling parts out of songs and playing with them and then putting them back together at the end. She’s dope af and I’m hooked.
Awesome video! Just found this channel.
I can't believe you did a video on things that are actually in 4/4 but don't feel like it, WITHOUT MENTIONING MESHUGGAH! LOL
I knowww I'm sorry! I don't know their music. I will know it in the future. But I didn't. Forgive meeeee
I know right! People be listening to Bleed going “omg what crazy time signature is this in?!?” And I’m like “uhh 4/4”
I'm probably not that big a Meshuggah fan, because Bleed is still my favourite riff of theirs.@@Dasein23 It's that slow pitch bend up that almost makes my stomach flip flop. #PerfectPitchLife
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And Bleed has a backbeat throughout a lot of it, a lot of their other material can come across much more confusing
This is cool. Thanks for sharing this. Very cool break down of timing
Speaking of rhitmic complexity, I'd love to see you do a Meshuggah analysis.
Particularly since of a lot of their stuff is actually 4/4 as well
@@TheOriginalHairyDave exactly!
"Concatenation" would be amazing.
Fascinating video. Counting along to "Pyramid" made my skin crawl! All the examples were well-chosen and presented. Bravo!
i love you for using "closer" for the 4/4 example
Sometimes I love it when the algorithms bring me something I really love.
A woman (better) analyzing music (great) that is sophisticated (best!).
Yay for much more new music to discover!
Thanks!
Probaby the wierdest one that i found is contortionist by their dogs were astronauts. It feels normal, right up to the point where the drums come in. I would highly recommend giving it a listen :)
Hell yeah its a good day when a new ixi video drops
Thank you, thank you! Awesome and amazing, thank you for this eye opening perspective. And awesome lipstick!!
Drops Of Jupiter by Train seems to start off in a 3/4 beat, but when the drums come in, then the chords and melody turn out to be syncopated.
00:38 I'm not surprised you picked this beat to show off 4/4, but I'm glad you did :D
The Tigran hi-hat + snare always in four against the poly madness is a page straight from the Meshuggah playbook
Thank you! Really helpful
Ok I just found my favorite youtube channel 🤍
I watched some NIN videos from you today, you have a cool personality & music taste!
Ngl, I clicked cuz I saw funky blue sipstick, and stayed for cool theory analysis of Tool, now I'm pumped for what's next!
One of my favorite examples of this is "Pinzin Kinzin" by Avishai Cohen Trio from the record Gently Disturbed. The bassline at the beginning is disorienting, but then the piano comes in with the quarter note. In sixteenth notes, it's 4+5+4+5+4+5+5= 32 sixteenth notes for a 2 bar cycle.
Ixi- I’m subscribing. I’ve been playing guitar for 20 years and have NEVER more enjoyed a video on ALL of TH-cam, let alone about TIME SIGNATURES. WTF, yo? Thank you!!
My favourite example of this is "No Signal" by Chon. An absolutely brilliant tune.
brilliant
really enjoyed this
thanks
subbed
pyramid song at the end was so great... ive known for a long time this song was in 4/4, Thom york himself has had trouble with this song live because of how on the off beat the piano is. There is a video on it somewhere in the depths of youtube
you are an absolute treasure. awesome.
The Pot is actually the first song i fully learned or bass. It taught me so much, it was my big switch to electric instruments and music-making in general.
Congratulations.
FANTASTIC VIDÉO !!
Many thx Ixi
BCNR's Sunglasses is also in 4/4 but it has such an interesting odd drum line
A song this topic immediately reminded me of was "We Are" by Karnivool. At its heart, it's a standard 4/4 song with a triplet shuffle, but the studio version puts uses a drum polyrhythm over the whole thing that makes it sound like the song is playing 5D chess. Hearing the live version with the more straightforward drum pattern helps demystify things a bit.
I always pick up the 4/4 when the Bass comes in on The Pot.
Thanks Ixi, this is great. I have to say I felt the Kimyan one in half time. 😊
yesss that's tasty!
Hi! You're totally right with the Pyramid song explanation about being inspired by the 3-2 clave, but it's more logical to think that you're counting half notes instead of quarter notes that are easier to play with (just like Phil and his swung 4/4 drums). The official Amnesiac sheet book has this rythm too.
Fantastic!! Also Videotape!
Pyramid Song's structure is so freaking interesting in so many ways. Really looking forward to the vid :)
Thank you!
I know this has aready been said, but this applies to literally every meshuggah song except for "I" and a part of future breed machine
when trying to decypher the meters of music, I am using a counting app. I tap the screen and it counts for me. this way I can concentrate on the music.
I have always been so confused by Myxmatosis. Thank you for this, you’ve scratched the itch in my brain, finally
As a drummer Tigran is easy to follow as the Snare always lands on the 3rd crochet.
What's a crochet in this context?
cant wait for pyramid song analysis!!! Please do! :)
The Tool discussion reminds me of Justin Chancellor: "Pass the Goddam Butta" 😂 polyrhythm
Ah, you mention it in the Myxamatosis section >_
Subscribed based on this video. Excellent, understandable breakdown.
Pyramid Song becomes much easier if you think of it as a slowed down bossa nova, or as you said, a clave. It took me years, but when the lightbulb finally came on, it was blinding :)
Drummer here....LOVING this vid. That Tigran Hamasyan track is NUTS!
Chick Corea has a whole album called Paint Your World that does this stuff. Track ten called Ished that does some crazy stuff about 3or4 minutes in.
I had "The Bad Plus - Physical Cities" in my mind the whole time. :D
Its kind of fascinating how good of an example closer is of 4/4 rhythm because even if its the most common rhythm i tend to think of closer when it comes to 4/4 rhythms too LOL (Maybe just cause it's catchy though...)
great video!
Thanks for clapping along. Never could’ve followed this otherwise.
Great vid and thanks for making me feel less crazy about doing this all the time 😅
My submission for the category is Makaya McCraven - This Place That Place, drove me nuts trying to figure it out, not sure i would've without the live versions.
Off to listen to Kimyan Law now ❤