@@kermitlynotfound1129 *Observes TT jets* Yeah for me it's been a case of if you don't get shot down by an enemy jet, a friendly will accidently send a missile up your tail. 50/50 chance in my experience. they don't seem to get that you shouldn't shoot Fox-2's when a friendly and enemy are in the middle of a knife fight. unless the enemy will be clear for the next 3-4 seconds.
Whoa whoa whoa, tbh War Thunder players are more likely to head on collide or have an in-air with a friendly because they didn’t look before gaining altitude lol
Not me. It took me 8 months to even realise friendly fires a thing. Accidentally took out a plane with SPAA after it flew into my fire. I’ve also shot down a friendly after a single .50 hit their pilot, and I’ve killed their pilot at over a kilometre away with an MG on an Italian tank. My luck is terrible
Ah, yes. This is from the alternate timeline where Japan actually managed to build their 8 battleships, 8 battlecruisers and even put them in the same place. Good thing 'murica still manages to save the day though.
I mean you could say the same about this entire campaign plot. It’s all an alternate timeline. COD WW2, alternate timeline, because the Wolfenstein games are popular.
@@tonig.1546 and the worst part is that they don't do much with it. There's only some minor changes that don't even effect the outcome of the war or post war. Except there are more Nazi holdouts and zombies exist. For example the revolving shotgun for massed produce it's cool but still Japan managed to build more ships somehow and got the recorces to fuel them and got more powerful tanks that can even destroy Sherman's and they STILL are Lossing the Pacific war.
17:00 as a latino it doesnt really matters that much to me but it does feel forced the way he says random spanish words and its even kind of annoying and i would actually been more comfortable with a generic us soldier
I’m glad someone from the Latino community felt it too. Because it means a hell of a lot more than coming from my pasty posterior. I feel like it would be better if he just acted normally and spoke like all the other Americans. But when the zeroes were hitting them. In the heat of the moment he swears in Spanish. That makes more sense to me.
correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Latino contribution in aviation more geared to the land based bombardment in the pacific theater of the war? what comes to mind is the 201st FS Mexican Air Force (Aztec Eagles/Panchito Pistoles) during the battle of Luzon in 44-45. The fighter squadron was known to use the P47 Thunderbolt and has an extensive exhibit at the Air Force museum.
Venezuelan here, what you said at 17:04 is totally right. Its tiring and cringy to have a latino who’s always saying something in Spanish. I only say Spanish words when im really really angry or when I hit my toe… other than that, it’s just a stereotype
Man I think the same, it's fucking cringy when Devs try to be inclusive, bc a real latinoamerican woul not do that, the majority of times they try to speak only English, to be understood. Pd I am also Latinoamerican.
Also a Latino, also considering the time period where minorities where treated like shit. I don't think you can really get away by speaking Spanglish randomly in 1942. And yeah its kinda cringe anyway
Not to mention there are a lot of us whose families have been living in the US for so long that descendants have lost the ability to speak Spanish. No one in my Mom's generation or my generation are fluent in Spanish. I'm the only one that has any proficiency in Spanish and that only because I spent 2 years stationed in Spain while I was in the Navy.
@@Marcus21H when I was stationed in Texas while in the army Mexican Americans I knew of whose family had the border basically pass over them never lost the ability to speak Spanish. Maybe it’s an east coast thing to lose Spanish because in a lot of areas out west you essentially don’t even need to learn English.
3:55 I think that the Americans expected the Japanese to at least have 4 carriers present at Midway, however their recon erroneously reported that they spotted only two carriers, thus most of the air groups were tasked to destroy only two. And this is also why the infamous "ride to nowhere" happened, as Hornet's air group was trying to locate the "other" two carriers.
They expected four but got the heading wrong. Only by sheer luck they found a ship heading back to the fleet. They happened to meet up with Yorktowns group which resulted in three carriers burning in 5 minutes. They were looking for the rest of the main fleet. Sprunence got flak for not going after the fleet. They were out of fuel, they lost Yorktown and at that point they sucked at night engagements.
Yesssss! Thank you I was just going to point this out. But I was going to say that Hornets briefing, since we saw Enterprise is the next ship over we basically have to be on Hornet, The briefing would have been to go out and find and destroy two Japanese carriers the problem is we wouldn't have found them! It would be enterprises squadron that finds the Japanese fleet. We would be on the flight to nowhere! It's funny how we both caught the error from two different angles 👍
All 4 carriers were together, Hornets air group didn’t do a whole lot at midway. It was the enterprise’ attack squadrons and yorktowns attack aircraft that threw the biggest punch in that battle.
No. The 'ride to nowhere' is because the flight leaders are incompetent and disregard his subordinates opinion to change the course, which break off the formation and found the Japanese Carriers. Here's the video talking about the midway by Military Aviation History th-cam.com/video/jgd7Jdh6iYc/w-d-xo.html
@@mare4599 you’re “official document” is a TH-cam video? How do you know that some of what their saying is false? Why don’t you look for primary, secondary sources and start cross referencing to come up with your own opinion? Rather than jumping on the bandwagon of somebody else’s research? I’m not having a go at you pal, I just find it funny that you’re taking every word mentioned in a TH-cam video as facts. The chances are they are factual for the most part but understand that world war 2 and the events that surround it are still under strenuous research by the top historians. Do NOT get sucked into the illusion that everything about world war 2 and it’s many battles are known and are common knowledge. It’s still being worked on! Maybe in vain, a war on the scale of 39-45 makes it extremely difficult and excruciatingly time consuming to get ALL of the answers, especially when when we refer to aerial engagements on the ocean!!
You weren't the least bit unnecessarily hard on the mission... From a technical accuracy standpoint, this game is a complete shitshow. This mission is so cringeworthy. The rest are just as bad, and in some cases worse. And don't even get me started about things like StG 44s in use in Stalingrad. They at least tried a little to get things right in the previous games, but this one... this one they just threw any pretense of reality out the window. And good on you for giving Drachinifel the shoutout, he's the go to man for naval history.
15:50. Yes they did. Early US Navy Carriers including the Yorktowns were designed to have the flight ops go both for and aft of the ship. So there would be arresting wires there.
@@AnimarchyHistory Late here, but this practice continued up through at least all of the built Essex class. Unsure if the Midway's had arrestor cables along the length of the flight deck as built however, I would imagine they did though.
30:49 - decades ago I visited the USS Alabama and every 20mm had "LEAD, DAMMIT, LEAD" stenciled on the armor facing the firer. I think they've since painted over it.
As a formerly serving airman, I agree with the navy guys not wanting our stuff on them: they just need to be elsewhere in their proper places and give the navy guys their correct uniform items.
the Medal Of Honor guys were the ones who promised veterans to do it justice when they made the first MOH game of the D day landings, Activision didn't share in that promise. Blame Activision
"Let's drop torpedoes like regular bombs cause our torpedoes sucks!" "Captain...you're a genius" Also, man be playing the preview of ace combat 1942 seen here doing a 9G turn with full payload without issue yup, just your standard ace combat game(no past stall manoeuvre tho...)
Puerto Rican here and what you said is absolutely correct about the blatant stereotype. In modern media it seems like whenever there is a Latino/Hispanic character they try their hardest to over represent them and make them speak Spanish with every line. It’s beyond cringe and quite honestly disrespectful.
The soldier giving the briefing is actually Sergeant John Duty. The greatest American soldier to ever live. He's the character you play as in the older CoDs, so those awards are accurate.
@@MLPIceberg Sergeant John C. Duty was just that good of a soldier. He fought from Tunisia to Guadalcanal, jumped into Sicily, skipped the channel into Normandy, backflipped onto Saipan, tactical roles through the German offensive in the Ardennes, went on leave to Finland to kill Nazis during the Continuation War, bayoneted a Japanese destroyer during the battle off Samar, disabled an SS Tiger tank with only a rubber chicken and some K-ration peanut butter during the Rhine crossing, moonwalked up sugarloaf hill on Okinawa, and finally rode Fat Man on target into Nagasaki on August 9th 1945. He survived the war, and retired at the rank of Master Sergeant in 1949.
4:58 He is wearing a US army uniform. The Staff Sergeant chevron, and the "expert swordsman" badge is actually a combat infantry badge IIRC. There is an airforce patch above the rank insignia and the airforce wasn't formed until after WWII. That uniform gave me cancer.
Not to mention the Ike Jacket cut which was introduced in late 1944, the Airborne tab under the patch, and nonexistent Parachute Infantry Regiment oval with wings (oval with wings ware rare but they existed) and the European Theater of Operation ribbon which was not introduced until 1943... It is a mess.
aside from doolittle's boys, i didnt think there was that many more army personnel in the pacific. wondered why they didnt just make that ssgt a marine, wouldnt take much to change the uniform
@@RynoGunner24 There were more Army units than marine ones in the Pacific theater my friend. Army definitely never gets its due for what they did in the pacific. They could've just given the briefer the same uniform as the pilots and it wouldve been more acceptable.
I still have an issue with the fact Vanguard decided to recruit Wade, he’s “one of the war’s greatest pilots” so why not let him continue doing pilot things? That’s like asking John Rambo to drive a truck for the supply lines, a total waste of his talents. Like the only other time Wade is a pilot for the Vanguard is flying the cargo plane at the end, and even that ends up being something literally any other pilot could’ve done equally well.
@@KillerOrca could’ve had Wade in the air conflicts over Germany against the Luftwaffe or in the pacific at Okinawa, Coral Sea, and Iwo Jima, but noooooo. Let’s make this very valuable fighter pilot fight in close quarters combat in a war that had an incredibly high combat infantry mortality rate
I know it’s late but don’t you know? Only wade could fly a cargo plane from an airport that was secured by allied Russian forces WEEKS before he flew out. They needed a hotshot pilot to fly a completely foreign plane out of a friendly, secured, and protected airport.
9:50. Those antiaircraft guns on the Enterprise are the quad 28mm Chicago Piano which are accurate for the time period. They weren’t very good with lots of teething issues and were replaced by the much better and reliable 40 mm Bofors later. One of the only accurate things I can give credit for this mission. I feel that the best Call of Duty WWII naval mission was “Black Cats” with the PBY Catalinas.
@@killer19183 No they were her original armament. It was the pre-war (1939) medium AA gun for the US Navy, which turned out to be a POS because of how heavy, complex, and unreliable the thing turned out to be.
also the score for the black cats mission is one of my favorites in the entire franchise, the tribal drums hyping you up during the fight was greatly put.
@@IJNAzooma I imagine it's BFV on either Iwo Jima, or Wake Island. I noticed there being a crap-ton of American battleships on those maps when being a pilot
10:29 Im pretty sure they wouldn't launch from behind the active elevator. Not only that but from what I remember, other than the Doolittle raid, carrier planes rarely used the full flight deck, rolling up to at least the island before hitting the throttle. 11:29 NO, JUST ABSOLUTE NO! You dont ignite the engine and then leave the cockpit unsupervised, its begging for a disaster. 17:45 Nice meme you got there, shame it would not be known for at least another 50-60 years. ^^ 20:15 You think thats bad? In Medal of Honor Pacific Assault you had an SBD carrying a fish and 4 bombs of unspecified weight on what was effectively a transfer flight to a carrier group. Btw, not only were you attacked by Zeros, you also had to take down a small island base with just machine guns and had to take on a light cruiser and a destroyer later on. Those are my 2 cents, there was much more but you addressed those later on. ^^
Every CoD has a handful of mission inspired by movies. This is based on Midway, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was one based of Fury. This goes all the way back to the first Medal of Honor! (Same team, made the first few MoH games before making CoD)
Midway actually was accurate, this is a shit show. Why are battleships on fire, why are there so many ships, why are there so many AAA bursts, why are so many planes getting destroyed by AA fire (it was very few historically), the formations are all WAY too close, he closed his canopy upon diving and opened it afterwards instead of the other way around, The akagi was attacked by 3 planes that realized that 2 squadrons were accidentally attacking the same ship instead of one, etc. Of the 3 that attacked Akagi, none were shot down, they achieved 1 near miss, one miss, and one hit that started a fire, that, while initially controllable, once it reached enough planes it was unstoppable. So no, the death of the ship was not accurate. Source: Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway, by John Parshall and Anthony Tully
The fleet is also WAAAAY too close together. The ships are practically touching. There was this same issue in the 2019 Midway film too. I have no idea why they couldn’t accurately depict the fleet spaced out
Clouds have more to do with resources management on the CPU and GPU side. They basically hide all game dev tricks used to make small and manageable arena look vast.
I love how none of the cruisers actually have turrets. You can see it as they take of on the cruiser to the right. Everywhere there would be a turret is completely empty
3:34: Are they hand propping to start that SBD? They would've pulled the prop through a couple of times to clear oil out of the lower cylinders before starting, but they had electric starters to actually start the engines.
I didn’t think they had electrical starters so I wasn’t going to say anything , but I’ve seen a Corsair overheat sitting on a taxiway at Oshkosh so I don’t think they would’ve started the planes up until the flight crew was in the air craft
37:26 I would say that's Kaga, the blueish deck with the rising sun, the カ on the aft deck, bridge and funnel placed on the right of the ship Yep, seems like Kaga to me
Yeah it’s definitely supposed to be Kaga. But in the cutscene. The bow, the funnel and the lower deck are screaming Akagi. It’s weird. It’s like they were intentionally mishmashing ships. Idk why anyone would do that.
@@AnimarchyHistory Really? They still scream Kaga for me. Kaga had the same style of lower deck, the island is in the right position and you can see it has more casemate guns at the rear of the hull than Akagi. Trying to identify the carriers the models were all spot on...but i only ever saw Soryu and Kaga. I've left another more in depth comment if you want to have a look at that :)
10:35 Two words. TURRETS. WHERE? Also like 9 Kongo class battleships in the latter half of the mission which is kind of cursed, but not as much as those turretsless New Orleans.
Had to re-look at this and yes it doesn't have any turrets. Neither does the other cruiser on the right. I can't tell which one that was suppose to be but just looks like a copy and pasted New Orleans with the same problem.
You forgot something in the aesthetic aspect of the mission: the uniforms of the pilots. Although some things were right, most of their uniforms resemble that of a USAAF pilot (constant leather jackets and helmets/headgear, etc.), rather than that of a Naval Aviator. A small, yet necessary, detail, if you ask me.
Actually pretty big detail, cause it reflects in the dialogue. US Navy only uses officers as pilots, yet they joke about losing their stripes (sergeant rank).
@@outlaw-nazca5759 And it was two stripes making them a Corporal. And they wouldn't be a Corporal in the Navy but a Petty Officer 3rd Class. No excuses for what they did.
Probably due to the fact that they were Army Airforce on an Army Airforce Naval Carrier, yes they existed the USS Hornet was an Army Airforce Naval Carrier.
@@vorschlaghammer9888 could you tell me more about USS Hornet as an Army Air Force Carrier? The only instance they were was just being a part of the Doolitle Raid and I don’t think they did any Aircraft Ferry r runs in the South West Pacific
25:25 yeah. If their escort had been that big (hell, I've nevver had separated the fleet: keep Yamato with the carriers) probably all the attacks on the Kido Butai would have failed. So would have the attack in Midway, but the battle would've been a draw rather than a colossal defeat for the IJN.
I don't believe combining the forces into one is a smart idea, I really don't. Kind of pointless to have a bigger fleet for AA support when you can only spot the enemy when they're practically on top of you. I think a better idea is to have Zuikaku join the battle, since the main issue with Midway for the IJN was that there wasn't enough carriers to preform all the tasks.
They were too slow to keep up and the plan was very large and complex relying on very precise timings in order to catch the Americans off guard so it called for the carriers to be up front and to throw the first attack. to make this work the Kido Butai cut back on its escort to the bare essentials which was fine because they were suppose to have complete surprise and not encounter any American ships until well into the battle at which point the slower and heavier assets would have caught up and be in a better position to support. I recommend reading (or get the audiobook) Shattered sword which goes into alot of detail about the Japanese planning and conduct of the battle, essentially it was a complex flawed plan that relied way to heavily on surprise and they lost that element before the battle had even started meaning that when the battle started the Japanese were just ripe to be ambushed.
Dude just no, the Japanese AA early war was lackluster at best even on the battleships, they were geared for bombardment, support and ship killing, the Japanese had no intention of using battleships and heavy cruisers as AA platforms. It's completely undoctrinal to the kantai Kessen fleet doctrine. You would need to rewrite Japanese planning since before 1922.
@@creativehorse7907 i know it was opposed to the Kantai Kessen and about their pitiful AA. That's why the only way I could see them not loosing the carriers would be if Nagumo wasn't an idiot in how he commanded his air wings and by placing as much AA in the area as possible. They would still loose ships, just maybe not as much and in such a target rich environment the US attacking flights would disperse their attacks too much so maybe it wouldn't be as damaging
If were talking about defending against aircraft, then you only slightly increase the chance of hitti mg and destroying aircraft, because IJN aa guns sucked in WW2, in fact, even with interceptors( not that the navy or army cooperated nearly enough to use them properly) the us only lost some 70 something Bombers over Japan.
First time I saw gameplay of this, I couldn’t shake the feeling that they took Battlefield 3’s “Going Hunting” (the Hornet mission), especially obvious from how the scenes on the carrier are, such as the walk to the plane and the entire process of the “launch” (looked a lot more like a cat shot than an actual take off as they would in this era), and then combined it with the recent movie Midway, right down to the seemingly hundreds of Japanese battleships scattered across a ridiculously tightly packed fleet. Having seen it again I’m almost certain that’s where most of the ideas for this mission came from.
I just happened to have watched Midway the night before playing this level and I can tell you they most certainly ripped that film off. I love flying sequences in games, but I couldn't help but laughed at the blatant plagiarism of this mission.
He's not clearing jams. He's reloading the guns. Also during the dive, pilots would actually open their canopies so they could bail out faster if needed. Granted, I'm not saying that all of them did that.
The reason for the opening of the cockpits in dives was actually to stop the cockpit and sight from fogging up due to the sudden temperature changes from the drop in altitude. I suppose the open canopy also made it easier to bail but if you were shot down in a dive your chances of bailing were slim and you may be SOL.
I'm not sure of how many Nagatos I saw there, but I almost believe I saw a 5th Japanese aircraft carrier. Looks like they dropped models in the field with a salt shaker.
The player is obviously on Recruit or maybe Regular difficulty and it shows, that’s why the Japanese pilots fly like War Thunder players and his plane is so durable.
@@koreancowboy42 still compared to let's say arma or even squad it feels like an arcade shooter, but yes they were great games that reinvigorated my wanting to play COD
17:00 It's okay I get it, as a Latino I rarely use Spanish phrases at random, especially when speaking to Americans, this would only make sense if their accent was really thick and it was hard to use English under stress or for certain words. But this guy in Vanguard sounds white
It is the same cringe as James Vega in Mass Effect 3. A white Latino who sounds white but is voicing a darker skin Latino and throwing in random Spanish words.
I speak both Spanish and English but am not Iberian/Latino, and the thing that stood out to me was that he used really simple words for not reason like por favor. Spanglish isn't interjecting random phrases, it's complete code-switching like syntax and all, often one sentence in English then another in Spanish, or object words like "no quiero 'coffee'/Where is my 'hermana'?. It's just plainly forced Spanglish and really hard to listen to.
9:41 American Naval Aviators were officers. There were a few enlisted aviators (sergeants rather than corporals), but they were mostly Marines. The unit commanders were all officers. 4:41 This is a US Army uniform with a Sergeant's stripes. The US Navy stripes are completely different (red on navy blue or blue on white). Marines in Aviation would wear Navy uniform and were Naval Aviators.
3:30 the manual prop start would have never been done like this. You’d lose 4 crewmembers if that engine started or backfired. And avengers had magneto starters so no crew member needed to manually turn the prop.
I mean I do hear, and I personally speak with Spanish words while speaking English, but I don’t say it every 2nd sentence. So yeah it felt kinda forced, it felt like they really wanted to put it in your face that “hey look he is Latino! Diversity!” I’m a Mexican-American serving for the U.S. Navy as well and glad to see you know your shit man! Keep it up bro!
At 12:36 that's my sbd! I work as crew chief for it when on the rare occasions it flies! It's probably one of the most accurate representations of an sbd you can find. It even has all the radios in the back where no one can see them. Does make her a pig up in Colorado where's she's based but still a awesome airplane!
At 5:00 you have an Army NCO leading a briefing for naval aviators on an aircraft carrier in the middle of the Pacific. He has a CIB (the placement on the uniform is plausible) and jump wings with a European campaign ribbon, but also an Army Air Forces unit patch on the shoulder. Meanwhile this is 1942 at Midway right? There wasn’t even ground fighting involving the US Army in the ETO yet. The only Army ground fighting in the Pacific thus far was in the Philippines. Most of them were either dead or in POW camps at this point. Not to mention the way this character is wearing his belt with the holster backwards… it’s like the makers of this game watches one episode of Band of Brothers and decided this is what every man in the United States military during World War II looked like.
16:10 Seeing the expected losses in the coming operation, command decided to take off all main guns from this heavy cruiser and put them into a land based battery, converting this ship to a troop transport
4:37 - yellow patch under the airborne wings is the unit flash. Yellow border with blue center would be the 504th PIR, though the ratio of color size is way off. Ribbon is the Europe-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal...ish. The really weird part of his SSI is that it is an Air Corps patch with an Aiborne tab, on the wrong end! Also, looks like his pinks and greens is with an Ike Jacket, which didn't get issued until 1944, and for some drunken reason he's wearing his M1911 holster on some kind of cross draw configuration which would make reloading almost impossible as his magazine pouch is on his right side. No, he's not left handed as he's writing with his right hand. Maybe left eye dominant??
If the data I saw is correct, Japanese had total of 105 Zeros at Midway. And they lost 12 planes on combat air patrol (which was flown by Zeros) - I assume it was while defending American attack on the fleet. Other 30 planes they lost in attacks against Midway and American Fleet - but majority of these were not Zeros. What I am saying is in the video player destroys at least 28 Zeros on their own which would instantly make him second best US Navy ace in the whole war and would be responsible for over 200% of Japanese combat air patrol losses at midway lol
17:00 It's a perfectly apt and fair assessment to make, and I feel with the text you also provide; it's exactly what companies do to either cover for their own short comings, or project what they imagine satisfies their moral-busy-bodying of their customers . . . Look no farther than Blizzard-Activision who says and puts out games saying one thing; while their senior staff do the exact opposite of that messaging.
17:00 As a Latino when I first played through the mission I noticed how kinda weird it sounded that he just said words in Spanish as to say like hey I’m Mexican it didn’t make me hate the mission just kinda weird since not many people talk like that where they put one or two Spanish words for spice. Whenever I hear my parents do it usually because they don’t know the English word or they will say entire sentence or two in Spanish and not just a word or two
Last I knew gunners on Navy planes in WWII were enlisted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they had their own ready room. So he'd be limited to "sir", "Lieutenant," or "el-tee". Getting things wrong when there are resources galore ticks me off as well.
1. They never headed straight for the enemy fleet, especially McClusky's squadron. 2. They expected 4 but only saw 2 carriers, leading to most flights being wasted on trying to find them. 3. THEY DIDN'T BOMB 2 CARRIERS IN 1 SORTIE OH MY GOD THIS ONE IS ANNOYING 4. They were never intercepted by zeros en route to the carriers, zeros were busy with the TBDs. 5. They never stayed at the fleet, "BeLoW tHe fLaK FiRe", they got the hell outta there after scoring hits on 3 aircraft carriers.
operationally, torpedo and dive bombers cruised at a higher altitude so their fighter escorts would have more altitude to work with when engaging enemy fighters. it wasnt until the bombers got closer to the targets and began approaching the engagement envelope of the ship mounted defenses that they descended to attack altitude to get under the guns to drop their torpedoes. dive bombers similarly approached high and didnt push over into their attacks until they were much closer to the targets. if they had cruised at low altitude, fuel burn for all the aircraft would have been higher and the escorting fighters would have been at a major disadvantage for potential energy when engaging the fleet's protective fighter screen.
17:18 he’s Hispanic most likely a Mexican (Hispanic is Spain/ any Spanish descended races) and whenever you see characters like this in movies and games they’re used in a very token way that constantly reminds you “they’re different” but in real life in that time I believe that matteo here would’ve integrated more and code switched into acting more accordingly to the “white mans army since he knew the prejudice he would face even if he did act like all the rest and wouldn’t want to give any more reason for him to be discriminated against
Aparently theres is people who speak like that in the US ... but as a rule of thumb its generally disrespectful to break a conversation by deliberately saying words in a foreing lenguage every couple of sentences. No bilingual worth it's salt would do it.
9:24 why does a Navy enlisted man have an Army Airborne Division patch? That aside, my biggest gripes about this mission are the player character should have their helmet on on the flight deck. No way is an aircraft sitting on the deck with the engine running, no chocks, and nobody in the cockpit. Granted, my experience is Air Force but there can’t be that much difference.
I saw another video that said the canopy would actually be opened, not closed, during the dive attack, because the altitude change would fog the glass otherwise. Got the canopy open in a thunderstorm too…
there were a load of innacuracies in this video, to start the yellow flight deck markings on american carriers were removed before the battle of midway and all 3 carriers had blue painted flight decks with white markings. The american carrier you take off from i belive was supposed to be Enterprise but the model for it is the USS Hornet CV-8 along with that all of the anti aircraft was accurate for the Hornet in 1942. Nothing was mentioned about the cruisers in the american fleet missing their main turrets and nothing was mentioned about the first carrier being attacked not being kaga. The open canopy is accurate in a slight way but in reverse order, the canopy had to be open on the SBD during the dive or the glass would fog up but in normal flight they would be closed. The second carrier that was attacked was a mostly accurate model of the Kaga a few inaccuracies being the missing 12.7cm Type 89 AA guns on the bow and the hangar being a little bit too tall.
one thing I forgot to add is the formation for the American fleet is wrong, the fleet formations for american carrier groups was a defensive circle of destroyers followed by the cruisers inside that and then battleships and the carriers (I know at Midway no battleships were available) but anyway in the final shot the cruisers and destroyers are slapped around in random spots
18:52 For a long mission, you would want to fly at whatever altitude gives you the best distance traveled per fuel used, whatever that cruise altitude may be. When you spot the target, then you would descend to attack it, and that actually applies to both torpedo bombers and dive bombers. Even if you have to use some fuel to climb to altitude, it's worth it because most of the flight is spent flying at altitude and you actually get better gas mileage at higher altitudes (up to a certain limit) because of reduced drag from the less dense air. In other words, once you get higher you end up flying faster while the fuel use doesn't really increase (in fact it may decrease). Or, you can fly at same speed with much reduced fuel consumption, which is really what they did. The TBD Devastators did historically fly at lower altitudes than the SBD Dauntless dive bombers and F4F Wildcat escort fighters, but not because that was in any way beneficial to the operations. It was just that the Devastator's performance was so much worse than the Dauntless and the Wildcat's that they couldn't fly at the same altitude. This actually caused a lot of problems with coordinating their attacks and other operations. They would have loved to keep the aircraft at the same altitude to make it easier to keep in line of sight, and even more importantly allowing the escort fighters to protect both the dive bombers and the torpedo bombers. Ironically this altitude difference ended up being one of the big factors to why the US dive bomber attack was so effective - the Japanese air defense fighters had engaged the low-flying torpedo bombers and shot them down, so they were completely out of position to respond to the dive bombers as they approached and started their attacks. But it wasn't any kind of planned tactic, it just happened that way because the Devastator at this point of the war absolutely sucked, and the torpedoes they carried somehow sucked even more. So the dive bombers ended up saving the day, but was much as the Battle of Midway was a success for the US Navy and a disaster for the Japanese, it was really a series of incredibly lucky breaks that produced that outcome instead of, say, the USN torpedo bombers and dive bombers completely missing the Japanese carriers or finding them at a different time when they weren't in such a vulnerable position.
They did know there was 4, but the recon plane had only spotted 2. It was also why Yorktown was further north, recovering her scouts, and why Hornet's bomber, scout, and fighter squadrons had all gone on the infamous "flight to nowhere".
4:35 That is actually Staff Master Mega General Corpsman Elite Brigadier Marshal Callo F. Duty, the best most awesomest soldier in all of the US Military. He's served in every branch of the military, including the famous Zweihander Landsknecht division of Albany, hence the master swordsman 1st rank badge. He even fought with the soviets all the way from Barbarossa to the Siege of Berlin, and he actually single-handedly kicked Hitler in the balls before dropkicking him off the roof the Reichstag whilst simultaneously doing the cossack strut, downing 3 oz of Vodka and planting a soviet flag on the roof. So show some respect.
The guns on the front of the carrier(bow location) mentioned at 10:20, are actually the quad 1.1” AA guns called “The Chicago Pianos” with a rate of fire of 150 RPM, and a max range of 8,000 yards, the Yorktown class carriers had 4 of these mounted on the ships, one under the flight deck (bow), and the others along side the flight deck
From my own understanding Junyū looks very little like those carriers specifically the islands Junyū’s island was quite large by Japanese standards and had the large angled funnel on top of it as well.
That badge on that SSG's looks like a cross between a CAB and a CIB. The combat infinity badge was established in 1943 which would make sense l, but that looks nothing like one(lmao) and that CAB wasn't established until 2005 so idk wtf they were going for 😂😂😂
There are literally bullet holes in the canopy, he's flying through a thunderstorm with an open cockpit, his wing is on fire, and he's been shot by at least a dozen zeroes, which all have 20mm cannons. And he still keeps on flying
Yorktown was dead after the battle of midway. It had only just been another naval battle before midway to Battle of the coral sea. It was positioned away from Hornet and Enterprise. Yorktown took all the beating in midway from the Japanese. And its crews of Engineers were so good at repairing it Japanese kept thinking it was another ship. They tried to get it moving after the battle but had to leave it.
What gets me is the constantly charging the machine guns, like it refreshes the ammunition or something. You might do that if the gun gets jammed, or there's a misfire, but not every 30 seconds as though it's a mag release/reload button on a rifle or pistol.
5:58 those aren’t even the US Army jump wings or the Army Glider badge. They just threw some random countries jump wings on his uniform and called it a day.
17:00 In COD WW2 there was a tank commander called Perez and I don't remember hear any Spanish word but here Hernandez is taking Spanish in almost every sentence. Peace from Honduras 🇭🇳
Pretty sure he said mierda once. But the tank ahead of him just exploded and that didn't feel to weird because I can see someone speaking in their native language in panic.
I may be wrong but I believe those are staff sergeant ranks they may be different in WW2 but in modern times that's a staff sergeants rank on his sleeve
Just wanted to add now that I’m rewatching this after watching your reaction to the Bougainville mission, first off all I’ve watched all your reactions to this dumpster fire game and За верных друзей! I am blown away by your dedication to historical accuracy, but I specifically wanted to thank you for what you said around 17:04 here... Just like with the cringeworthy lines they used to make a mockery out of the bad ass motherfuckers in the 93rd infantry division, I’ve never been able to put it into words the frustration I feel seeing this sort of stuff in games and movies. You don’t need to make caricatures out of the brave men and women of every creed and color who gave their lives defending their homeland, to me it downplays how even after “letting” ethnic minorities DIE for this country we still treated them like shit, specifically selected suicide missions for them and then downplayed their achievements afterwards. I am so conflicted about this because it warms my heart to see any recognition shown in modern media but downplaying the racism, sexism and homophobia in the military which is still fucking rampant even to this day by making it seem like we were all just chummy with one another really grinds my gears… I dunno if that’s a sentiment shared by all but it’s certainly what bothers me about the white savior complex that is so prevalent across the country to this very day
As a Battle of Midway enthousiast I have to say this game was very educational. I feel I have a much better understanding now of what electroshock therapy is like...
So the 10:00 "quad 20 mm" is actually a 1.1inch/75 quad mount " Chicago piano" it is a early war us aa mount however was replace very quickly it is very rarely see in ww2 games that don't focus on historical accuracy good modeling by them.
Enterprise actually kept that single bow mounted Chicago Piano the entire war. Why it wasn’t changed out for a Bofors like the other pianos I don’t know
Just to clear something up. As a Latino. Yeah sometimes I forget English words BUT no I dont just randomly toss spanish words into every other sentance.
The controls for the plane felt weird. Its like they were tring on-rails and free-flying at the same time, like I can fly around but only turn left or right I can barely ascend or descend.
Yeah when I was playing this mission and sunk the second carrier I was extremely confused because it's a mix of the Akagi and the Kaga, i was stumped about the fact they could make a mistake like that
The qual mounts are accurate they are the 1.1in “Chicago Pianos” a prewar AA gun that was quickly replaced in Enterprise’s first refit since the slow fire rate made them terrible heavy AA guns in comparison to the Bofors
No idea if anyone one else mentioned it but 9:38 who the fuck is the Sag? I know Carriers have CAGs with is the Airgroup Commander, no idea the fuck this guy mentioned. Amendment 1: Why are they apparently flying a tricycle land gear SBD? The entire sequence for the pilot is wings level, even sitting on the deck? Amendment 2: 33:19 where the hells did that TBD come from, they've been 'shot down' for several minutes now? Amendment 3: Several pilots saying they're 'punching out' which makes no sense because that's a modern call out for using an ejection seat.
I hate the fact they had to emphasize the guy's "Hispanic-ness" in this game mission... when there's an *ENTIRE* chapter of the Pacific Theater involving the liberation of the Philippines involving the Mexican Expeditionary Air Force, Esquadron 201 (The ONLY Mexican military excursion outside of its national borders). ENTIRE friggin' thing just sitting there on a silver platter, and they decide to crap on basically everyone with whatever the hell this is. Dude even sounds friggin' CUBAN for some reason, despite the fact he should have most likely himself been Mexican, as most the Pacific Fleet would have departed from the lower 48 from San Diego in Southern California, spitting distance from the Mexican Border, and he most likely have been picked up from either the American Southwestern states. Cubans didn't start mass migrating to Florida until the Cuban revolution.
You could go on all day nitpicking what was wrong with that uniform 4:35. Firstly, that guy is clearly a member of the US Army Air Force, but is for some reason on a US Navy carrier. His uniform is clearly a US army Ike Jacket, which was not even standard issue until 1944 anyway so it still does not make sense. His garrison cap has air corps blue and orange piping, so he is indeed an airman - if this had been a mission flying with the AAF then they would have at least got that right, but again... US Navy and all that. His patch looks like it is clearly from a made up air force, and it says "Airborne" on it as if he is supposed to be a paratrooper... I am not sure if those are jump or aviation wings, but as far as I am aware the airborne were the only ones who would wear those "breast ovals" behind the jumpwings. The color depended on what regiment you were with, I believe. Perhaps my eyes deceive me, but that looks like a ribbon for the European-African-Middle Eastern Theater medal, which was not handed out until after the war in Europe had ended and would not make sense for someone who was in the Pacific anyway. Like you said in the video, I have no idea what they were trying to do with that sword badge either. They actually gave him an enlisted man's collar tabs on his Ike jacket, but they appear to be for an infantry or artilleryman - not an aviator. My God, this game had next to zero care and attention put into it. Imagine if people who actually cared about the source material had made it... So yeah, we have a time traveling US Army Air Force aviator sergeant who is also a regular army paratrooper helping plan the battle of Midway. This guy must have also single-handedly killed Hitler, because somehow he's already won the European Theater of Operations. Bet you he will bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki too!
This is a very good analysis of the Midway mission in WoK: Vanguard, I personally enjoy it. And your not bugging either about the Nagato-Class battleships. I counted 11 Nagato-Class battleships in total on my latest viewing and, geeeeeezzzz, Japan could only dream for a thousand years that they had that kind of industrial capacity and still not have it.
I didn't notice because to be honest, I instinctively expected it to be there so I was looking at the superstructure and the stack configuration. I was focusing on the little so I didn't notice the big
They only dropped down to dropping torpedoes closer to the target area. You normally had the planes at the same altitude since it would make it easier for the fighter, when they got launched, to escort the whole strike package.
Yeah. But at Midway they stayed lower than the dauntlesses due to fuel issues. They had launched from max range and didn’t form up with the rest of the group but proceeded to target individually.
@@AnimarchyHistory I believe only hornet and enterprise sent their squadrons out on their own. Yorktown had their squadrons fly together which is why they were the only ones to have a proper fighter escort and organize their strike on the two carriers with only the torpedo bombers and the escort being spotted giving the dive bombers a practically defenseless target
LOL that "campaign" ribbon is the ribbon they give to fresh recruits after boot camp...in the modern military, as a participation trophy for finishing boot camp...LOL
Leaving aside the huge amount of crap pointed out in the video, the mechanics of the gameplay were terrible. The flying felt unnatural and sluggish and you just flew around too much and it dragged on. Nothing felt fun at all. Heroes of the Pacific did this better.
About the text you wrote in 16:55: I'm argentinian, so I can't really speak for every 'latino', but I can definitely tell that it's the typical mexican stereotype to make that media appear more diverse. There's this channel called History Legends, which showed how there were two 'latinos' in Midway, and I think both died before the mission we see in Vanguard took place, so it's not genuine. But yeah, it's the overused mexican stereotype that we're all sick of.
12:58 nope, the bottom would be a compass, not an altimeter :) on top the skid/slip indicator as you say and on the far bottom something like an RPM indicator. Damn i miss prop planes :) Has been a while and now I fly A320 and 3 years of B737 before that. Love your videos btw! greetings from a fellow airplane geek and First Officer at a major german airline :)
"Whoever is playing this mission really likes shooting friendlies" yep. Definitely a War Thunder player.
HEY
Not all of us shoot friendlies on purpose OK :'(
in my experience as far as team killers go its really only low tier because they legit cant get past it haha.
@@kermitlynotfound1129 *Observes TT jets*
Yeah for me it's been a case of if you don't get shot down by an enemy jet, a friendly will accidently send a missile up your tail. 50/50 chance in my experience. they don't seem to get that you shouldn't shoot Fox-2's when a friendly and enemy are in the middle of a knife fight. unless the enemy will be clear for the next 3-4 seconds.
Whoa whoa whoa, tbh War Thunder players are more likely to head on collide or have an in-air with a friendly because they didn’t look before gaining altitude lol
Not me. It took me 8 months to even realise friendly fires a thing. Accidentally took out a plane with SPAA after it flew into my fire. I’ve also shot down a friendly after a single .50 hit their pilot, and I’ve killed their pilot at over a kilometre away with an MG on an Italian tank. My luck is terrible
Ah, yes. This is from the alternate timeline where Japan actually managed to build their 8 battleships, 8 battlecruisers and even put them in the same place. Good thing 'murica still manages to save the day though.
And the japanese zero suddenly all suffer from the eyes because they cant shoot nothing
I mean you could say the same about this entire campaign plot. It’s all an alternate timeline.
COD WW2, alternate timeline, because the Wolfenstein games are popular.
@@tonig.1546 and the worst part is that they don't do much with it. There's only some minor changes that don't even effect the outcome of the war or post war. Except there are more Nazi holdouts and zombies exist. For example the revolving shotgun for massed produce it's cool but still Japan managed to build more ships somehow and got the recorces to fuel them and got more powerful tanks that can even destroy Sherman's and they STILL are Lossing the Pacific war.
@@Demicleas At this point, i'm convinced they do the "alternate history" thing because they don't want to bother doing actual research on history
What's 'murika I think its ar15ision
17:00 as a latino it doesnt really matters that much to me but it does feel forced the way he says random spanish words and its even kind of annoying and i would actually been more comfortable with a generic us soldier
I’m glad someone from the Latino community felt it too. Because it means a hell of a lot more than coming from my pasty posterior. I feel like it would be better if he just acted normally and spoke like all the other Americans. But when the zeroes were hitting them. In the heat of the moment he swears in Spanish. That makes more sense to me.
It comes across as heavily tokenistic. Same thing as when games make every black female character a sassy woman with an afro
I'm Latino and if I'm paired with a white dude like this mission I wouldn't be saying Spanish because he probably wouldn't understand it
correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Latino contribution in aviation more geared to the land based bombardment in the pacific theater of the war? what comes to mind is the 201st FS Mexican Air Force (Aztec Eagles/Panchito Pistoles) during the battle of Luzon in 44-45. The fighter squadron was known to use the P47 Thunderbolt and has an extensive exhibit at the Air Force museum.
@@ronnieman87 they helped retake the Philippines if I'm not mistaken and they just sent a fighter squadron
Venezuelan here, what you said at 17:04 is totally right.
Its tiring and cringy to have a latino who’s always saying something in Spanish. I only say Spanish words when im really really angry or when I hit my toe… other than that, it’s just a stereotype
Man I think the same, it's fucking cringy when Devs try to be inclusive, bc a real latinoamerican woul not do that, the majority of times they try to speak only English, to be understood. Pd I am also Latinoamerican.
@Michael Cordova that is the way the majority of Latinos speak with non natives, they had lots of other this to show to be more inclusive.
Also a Latino, also considering the time period where minorities where treated like shit. I don't think you can really get away by speaking Spanglish randomly in 1942. And yeah its kinda cringe anyway
Not to mention there are a lot of us whose families have been living in the US for so long that descendants have lost the ability to speak Spanish. No one in my Mom's generation or my generation are fluent in Spanish. I'm the only one that has any proficiency in Spanish and that only because I spent 2 years stationed in Spain while I was in the Navy.
@@Marcus21H when I was stationed in Texas while in the army Mexican Americans I knew of whose family had the border basically pass over them never lost the ability to speak Spanish. Maybe it’s an east coast thing to lose Spanish because in a lot of areas out west you essentially don’t even need to learn English.
3:55 I think that the Americans expected the Japanese to at least have 4 carriers present at Midway, however their recon erroneously reported that they spotted only two carriers, thus most of the air groups were tasked to destroy only two. And this is also why the infamous "ride to nowhere" happened, as Hornet's air group was trying to locate the "other" two carriers.
They expected four but got the heading wrong. Only by sheer luck they found a ship heading back to the fleet. They happened to meet up with Yorktowns group which resulted in three carriers burning in 5 minutes. They were looking for the rest of the main fleet. Sprunence got flak for not going after the fleet. They were out of fuel, they lost Yorktown and at that point they sucked at night engagements.
Yesssss! Thank you I was just going to point this out. But I was going to say that Hornets briefing, since we saw Enterprise is the next ship over we basically have to be on Hornet, The briefing would have been to go out and find and destroy two Japanese carriers the problem is we wouldn't have found them! It would be enterprises squadron that finds the Japanese fleet. We would be on the flight to nowhere! It's funny how we both caught the error from two different angles 👍
All 4 carriers were together, Hornets air group didn’t do a whole lot at midway. It was the enterprise’ attack squadrons and yorktowns attack aircraft that threw the biggest punch in that battle.
No. The 'ride to nowhere' is because the flight leaders are incompetent and disregard his subordinates opinion to change the course, which break off the formation and found the Japanese Carriers.
Here's the video talking about the midway by Military Aviation History
th-cam.com/video/jgd7Jdh6iYc/w-d-xo.html
@@mare4599 you’re “official document” is a TH-cam video? How do you know that some of what their saying is false? Why don’t you look for primary, secondary sources and start cross referencing to come up with your own opinion? Rather than jumping on the bandwagon of somebody else’s research? I’m not having a go at you pal, I just find it funny that you’re taking every word mentioned in a TH-cam video as facts. The chances are they are factual for the most part but understand that world war 2 and the events that surround it are still under strenuous research by the top historians. Do NOT get sucked into the illusion that everything about world war 2 and it’s many battles are known and are common knowledge. It’s still being worked on! Maybe in vain, a war on the scale of 39-45 makes it extremely difficult and excruciatingly time consuming to get ALL of the answers, especially when when we refer to aerial engagements on the ocean!!
You weren't the least bit unnecessarily hard on the mission... From a technical accuracy standpoint, this game is a complete shitshow. This mission is so cringeworthy. The rest are just as bad, and in some cases worse. And don't even get me started about things like StG 44s in use in Stalingrad. They at least tried a little to get things right in the previous games, but this one... this one they just threw any pretense of reality out the window. And good on you for giving Drachinifel the shoutout, he's the go to man for naval history.
MG-42 in Bougainville?
@@champagnegascogne9755 *MG-34
@@champagnegascogne9755 worse. STG-44 in the Pacific.
Prototype of ak47 in stalingrad 1942
Reloadable pazerfaust…
15:50. Yes they did. Early US Navy Carriers including the Yorktowns were designed to have the flight ops go both for and aft of the ship. So there would be arresting wires there.
Huh. I’ve only ever seen them on Lexie and Sara. That’s good to know!
@@AnimarchyHistory Late here, but this practice continued up through at least all of the built Essex class. Unsure if the Midway's had arrestor cables along the length of the flight deck as built however, I would imagine they did though.
But they would for sure not have the wires out on the bow end when launching their air group. Right? Right?
@@Danspy501st correct
30:49 - decades ago I visited the USS Alabama and every 20mm had "LEAD, DAMMIT, LEAD" stenciled on the armor facing the firer. I think they've since painted over it.
I slept overnight on the Alabama once for BSA thing. That was really fun
That is still on the 20 and 40mm guns on the USS New Jersey, currently docked across the river from Philadelphia
@@slapper360 Did you married your cousin?
@@flaviomonteiro1414 no my sister
Bro the USS Alabama is awesome, I’ve been before as well a couple years back and I remember seeing all the “LEAD DAMNIT, LEAD” things.
As a current US Sailor, this is painful. Our heritage and traditions are what makes the Navy and this gross misrepresentation hurts my brain.
it's also the disrespect towards the IJN, they weren't pushovers this early in the conflict and even later on in the war they fought like hell.
@@4T3hM4kr0n well no shit. They know they cant won the war. Best they can eas to try to beat some and come to a stalemate and peace agreement with US.
As a formerly serving airman, I agree with the navy guys not wanting our stuff on them: they just need to be elsewhere in their proper places and give the navy guys their correct uniform items.
the Medal Of Honor guys were the ones who promised veterans to do it justice when they made the first MOH game of the D day landings, Activision didn't share in that promise. Blame Activision
Medal of Honor Pacific assault is to this day the most accurate representation of the Pacific War.
"Let's drop torpedoes like regular bombs cause our torpedoes sucks!"
"Captain...you're a genius"
Also, man be playing the preview of ace combat 1942 seen here doing a 9G turn with full payload without issue
yup, just your standard ace combat game(no past stall manoeuvre tho...)
well at least they didnt make american torpedos "the best, working everytime no maunfaulctions ever"
@@pinomaki1050 yes, actually in firsts year of ww, usa torpedo have many prolem
Oversimpliieded?
@@canthi109 yeah it was because they werent tested probelmy cause it was too expensive so the flaus were found too late
Yeah yet this game doesn't have the ridiculous bullshit tech to cover it's bullshit.
The SBD Dauntless was tough. But the amount of hits this one has been taking should have put it into the water ages ago.
The Dauntless and the pilot with all those blood splatters.
This is some Swordfish tanking right here.
I was thinking it should have smashed into the Carrier after the first 4 burst of AA with the cockpit open like that.
but if it was shot down, the mission would end right here and there. plot armor saves the day!
@@lillyie I feel like having to respawn is a better idea than just flying around with some heavy duty plot armor.
Puerto Rican here and what you said is absolutely correct about the blatant stereotype. In modern media it seems like whenever there is a Latino/Hispanic character they try their hardest to over represent them and make them speak Spanish with every line. It’s beyond cringe and quite honestly disrespectful.
The soldier giving the briefing is actually Sergeant John Duty. The greatest American soldier to ever live. He's the character you play as in the older CoDs, so those awards are accurate.
Considering in every old WWII Call of Duty's American Campaign, you play as a different soldier. lol
@@MLPIceberg that's the joke
@@MLPIceberg WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH. That's the sound of the joke flying over your head
John Duty lmfao
@@MLPIceberg Sergeant John C. Duty was just that good of a soldier. He fought from Tunisia to Guadalcanal, jumped into Sicily, skipped the channel into Normandy, backflipped onto Saipan, tactical roles through the German offensive in the Ardennes, went on leave to Finland to kill Nazis during the Continuation War, bayoneted a Japanese destroyer during the battle off Samar, disabled an SS Tiger tank with only a rubber chicken and some K-ration peanut butter during the Rhine crossing, moonwalked up sugarloaf hill on Okinawa, and finally rode Fat Man on target into Nagasaki on August 9th 1945.
He survived the war, and retired at the rank of Master Sergeant in 1949.
4:58
He is wearing a US army uniform. The Staff Sergeant chevron, and the "expert swordsman" badge is actually a combat infantry badge IIRC. There is an airforce patch above the rank insignia and the airforce wasn't formed until after WWII. That uniform gave me cancer.
yeah its a cib with a sword for some reason. is the cib trademarked or something?
The Army Air Forces was formed in 1941, from the Army Air Corps
Not to mention the Ike Jacket cut which was introduced in late 1944, the Airborne tab under the patch, and nonexistent Parachute Infantry Regiment oval with wings (oval with wings ware rare but they existed) and the European Theater of Operation ribbon which was not introduced until 1943... It is a mess.
aside from doolittle's boys, i didnt think there was that many more army personnel in the pacific. wondered why they didnt just make that ssgt a marine, wouldnt take much to change the uniform
@@RynoGunner24 There were more Army units than marine ones in the Pacific theater my friend. Army definitely never gets its due for what they did in the pacific. They could've just given the briefer the same uniform as the pilots and it wouldve been more acceptable.
I still have an issue with the fact Vanguard decided to recruit Wade, he’s “one of the war’s greatest pilots” so why not let him continue doing pilot things? That’s like asking John Rambo to drive a truck for the supply lines, a total waste of his talents. Like the only other time Wade is a pilot for the Vanguard is flying the cargo plane at the end, and even that ends up being something literally any other pilot could’ve done equally well.
Flying a fighter and doing well in that does not make you a good cargo craft pilot. Get someone who's gone through hell in back in a Skytrain instead.
@@KillerOrca could’ve had Wade in the air conflicts over Germany against the Luftwaffe or in the pacific at Okinawa, Coral Sea, and Iwo Jima, but noooooo. Let’s make this very valuable fighter pilot fight in close quarters combat in a war that had an incredibly high combat infantry mortality rate
@@ATFprdepartment Chalk up another one too "no one thought this through when they wrote it did they"
@@KillerOrca Yeah, they just wanna grab people from a bunch of different forces without reasonable causes for them to be there.
I know it’s late but don’t you know? Only wade could fly a cargo plane from an airport that was secured by allied Russian forces WEEKS before he flew out. They needed a hotshot pilot to fly a completely foreign plane out of a friendly, secured, and protected airport.
"How are we supposed to do this, half the squadron is down" yeah well you took most of them down yourself
9:50. Those antiaircraft guns on the Enterprise are the quad 28mm Chicago Piano which are accurate for the time period. They weren’t very good with lots of teething issues and were replaced by the much better and reliable 40 mm Bofors later. One of the only accurate things I can give credit for this mission. I feel that the best Call of Duty WWII naval mission was “Black Cats” with the PBY Catalinas.
I thought the pianos were added after the first or second time she was injured.
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I believe 1 of them stay with her till 44
@@killer19183 No they were her original armament. It was the pre-war (1939) medium AA gun for the US Navy, which turned out to be a POS because of how heavy, complex, and unreliable the thing turned out to be.
also the score for the black cats mission is one of my favorites in the entire franchise, the tribal drums hyping you up during the fight was greatly put.
I've noticed how some WW2 games always have a large amount of ships like how in battlefield there is like 6 Iowa Class Battleships on one map
What map is this?
@@IJNAzooma I imagine it's BFV on either Iwo Jima, or Wake Island.
I noticed there being a crap-ton of American battleships on those maps when being a pilot
@@rokairu0-216 for real like unnecessary large fleet over The map of wake island, Iwo Jima and the Pacific storm. With just 2 to 3 carriers.
I always thought those were North Carolinas on BFV Iwo Jima but I could be wrong. Either way, too many of them, and that's a sin
lol the US Navy never built 6 Iowas!!!
10:29 Im pretty sure they wouldn't launch from behind the active elevator. Not only that but from what I remember, other than the Doolittle raid, carrier planes rarely used the full flight deck, rolling up to at least the island before hitting the throttle.
11:29 NO, JUST ABSOLUTE NO! You dont ignite the engine and then leave the cockpit unsupervised, its begging for a disaster.
17:45 Nice meme you got there, shame it would not be known for at least another 50-60 years. ^^
20:15 You think thats bad? In Medal of Honor Pacific Assault you had an SBD carrying a fish and 4 bombs of unspecified weight on what was effectively a transfer flight to a carrier group. Btw, not only were you attacked by Zeros, you also had to take down a small island base with just machine guns and had to take on a light cruiser and a destroyer later on.
Those are my 2 cents, there was much more but you addressed those later on. ^^
I was going to say that that maybe it was in the book but lord of the rings was released in '54
@@Pigness7 To be fair, its probably an old saying that predates LotR ^^
Every CoD has a handful of mission inspired by movies. This is based on Midway, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was one based of Fury. This goes all the way back to the first Medal of Honor! (Same team, made the first few MoH games before making CoD)
Midway actually was accurate, this is a shit show. Why are battleships on fire, why are there so many ships, why are there so many AAA bursts, why are so many planes getting destroyed by AA fire (it was very few historically), the formations are all WAY too close, he closed his canopy upon diving and opened it afterwards instead of the other way around, The akagi was attacked by 3 planes that realized that 2 squadrons were accidentally attacking the same ship instead of one, etc.
Of the 3 that attacked Akagi, none were shot down, they achieved 1 near miss, one miss, and one hit that started a fire, that, while initially controllable, once it reached enough planes it was unstoppable.
So no, the death of the ship was not accurate.
Source: Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway, by John Parshall and Anthony Tully
@@ronanmcdonald6386 this game was made by Michael Bay
that team promised to do right by veterans, if this was their work, they've broken that promise.
@@ronanmcdonald6386 the one that dropped the bomb if I’m not wrong was Dick Best
@@eugeneoliveros5814 Yep
The fleet is also WAAAAY too close together. The ships are practically touching. There was this same issue in the 2019 Midway film too. I have no idea why they couldn’t accurately depict the fleet spaced out
Probably because it wouldn't look as good on film or in game
Probably due to spacing issues.
The same reason the Japanese were shooting 4 time's the amount flak
Clouds have more to do with resources management on the CPU and GPU side. They basically hide all game dev tricks used to make small and manageable arena look vast.
Also spawn in the zeroes and the Japanese fleet below
I love how none of the cruisers actually have turrets. You can see it as they take of on the cruiser to the right. Everywhere there would be a turret is completely empty
3:34: Are they hand propping to start that SBD? They would've pulled the prop through a couple of times to clear oil out of the lower cylinders before starting, but they had electric starters to actually start the engines.
I was just about to post this very comment.
I didn’t think they had electrical starters so I wasn’t going to say anything , but I’ve seen a Corsair overheat sitting on a taxiway at Oshkosh so I don’t think they would’ve started the planes up until the flight crew was in the air craft
37:26 I would say that's Kaga, the blueish deck with the rising sun, the カ on the aft deck, bridge and funnel placed on the right of the ship
Yep, seems like Kaga to me
Yeah it’s definitely supposed to be Kaga. But in the cutscene. The bow, the funnel and the lower deck are screaming Akagi. It’s weird. It’s like they were intentionally mishmashing ships. Idk why anyone would do that.
@@AnimarchyHistory basically Akagi with Kaga's flight deck ;-;
Must be the work of their intense "night battle"
@@AnimarchyHistory Really? They still scream Kaga for me. Kaga had the same style of lower deck, the island is in the right position and you can see it has more casemate guns at the rear of the hull than Akagi. Trying to identify the carriers the models were all spot on...but i only ever saw Soryu and Kaga. I've left another more in depth comment if you want to have a look at that :)
@@AnimarchyHistory probably they think Akagi and Kaga using the same Hull
@@KhangNguyen-wd6op night battle? Is this a KC reference? 👀
10:35 Two words. TURRETS. WHERE? Also like 9 Kongo class battleships in the latter half of the mission which is kind of cursed, but not as much as those turretsless New Orleans.
Had to re-look at this and yes it doesn't have any turrets. Neither does the other cruiser on the right. I can't tell which one that was suppose to be but just looks like a copy and pasted New Orleans with the same problem.
@@robowolf4977 pretty sure its just a copy. They did just copy paste the Kongos too so
Clearly they didn't need rear turrets since 'MURICAN ships never face away from the enemy.
You forgot something in the aesthetic aspect of the mission: the uniforms of the pilots. Although some things were right, most of their uniforms resemble that of a USAAF pilot (constant leather jackets and helmets/headgear, etc.), rather than that of a Naval Aviator. A small, yet necessary, detail, if you ask me.
Actually pretty big detail, cause it reflects in the dialogue.
US Navy only uses officers as pilots, yet they joke about losing their stripes (sergeant rank).
@@outlaw-nazca5759 And it was two stripes making them a Corporal. And they wouldn't be a Corporal in the Navy but a Petty Officer 3rd Class. No excuses for what they did.
Probably due to the fact that they were Army Airforce on an Army Airforce Naval Carrier, yes they existed the USS Hornet was an Army Airforce Naval Carrier.
@@vorschlaghammer9888 could you tell me more about USS Hornet as an Army Air Force Carrier? The only instance they were was just being a part of the Doolitle Raid and I don’t think they did any Aircraft Ferry r runs in the South West Pacific
@@TheRandCrews They didnt. The Doolittle raid was the only time the Army Air Forces used a carrier. Don't listen to these people
25:25 yeah. If their escort had been that big (hell, I've nevver had separated the fleet: keep Yamato with the carriers) probably all the attacks on the Kido Butai would have failed. So would have the attack in Midway, but the battle would've been a draw rather than a colossal defeat for the IJN.
I don't believe combining the forces into one is a smart idea, I really don't. Kind of pointless to have a bigger fleet for AA support when you can only spot the enemy when they're practically on top of you.
I think a better idea is to have Zuikaku join the battle, since the main issue with Midway for the IJN was that there wasn't enough carriers to preform all the tasks.
They were too slow to keep up and the plan was very large and complex relying on very precise timings in order to catch the Americans off guard so it called for the carriers to be up front and to throw the first attack. to make this work the Kido Butai cut back on its escort to the bare essentials which was fine because they were suppose to have complete surprise and not encounter any American ships until well into the battle at which point the slower and heavier assets would have caught up and be in a better position to support. I recommend reading (or get the audiobook) Shattered sword which goes into alot of detail about the Japanese planning and conduct of the battle, essentially it was a complex flawed plan that relied way to heavily on surprise and they lost that element before the battle had even started meaning that when the battle started the Japanese were just ripe to be ambushed.
Dude just no, the Japanese AA early war was lackluster at best even on the battleships, they were geared for bombardment, support and ship killing, the Japanese had no intention of using battleships and heavy cruisers as AA platforms. It's completely undoctrinal to the kantai Kessen fleet doctrine. You would need to rewrite Japanese planning since before 1922.
@@creativehorse7907 i know it was opposed to the Kantai Kessen and about their pitiful AA. That's why the only way I could see them not loosing the carriers would be if Nagumo wasn't an idiot in how he commanded his air wings and by placing as much AA in the area as possible. They would still loose ships, just maybe not as much and in such a target rich environment the US attacking flights would disperse their attacks too much so maybe it wouldn't be as damaging
If were talking about defending against aircraft, then you only slightly increase the chance of hitti mg and destroying aircraft, because IJN aa guns sucked in WW2, in fact, even with interceptors( not that the navy or army cooperated nearly enough to use them properly) the us only lost some 70 something Bombers over Japan.
First time I saw gameplay of this, I couldn’t shake the feeling that they took Battlefield 3’s “Going Hunting” (the Hornet mission), especially obvious from how the scenes on the carrier are, such as the walk to the plane and the entire process of the “launch” (looked a lot more like a cat shot than an actual take off as they would in this era), and then combined it with the recent movie Midway, right down to the seemingly hundreds of Japanese battleships scattered across a ridiculously tightly packed fleet. Having seen it again I’m almost certain that’s where most of the ideas for this mission came from.
I just happened to have watched Midway the night before playing this level and I can tell you they most certainly ripped that film off. I love flying sequences in games, but I couldn't help but laughed at the blatant plagiarism of this mission.
Bf3 is far from the first game to have something like that im pretty sure
He's not clearing jams.
He's reloading the guns.
Also during the dive, pilots would actually open their canopies so they could bail out faster if needed. Granted, I'm not saying that all of them did that.
The reason for the opening of the cockpits in dives was actually to stop the cockpit and sight from fogging up due to the sudden temperature changes from the drop in altitude. I suppose the open canopy also made it easier to bail but if you were shot down in a dive your chances of bailing were slim and you may be SOL.
So... it's the reverse of what our resident US pilot is doing?
@@Destroyer_V0 yes
That Dauntless has more ammo in their machine guns this entire squadrons
I know a guy who was on one of the carriers for the battle of midway, he was a plane pusher and bomber loader. He had some pretty amazing stories
I'm not sure of how many Nagatos I saw there, but I almost believe I saw a 5th Japanese aircraft carrier. Looks like they dropped models in the field with a salt shaker.
The player is obviously on Recruit or maybe Regular difficulty and it shows, that’s why the Japanese pilots fly like War Thunder players and his plane is so durable.
I'm sure it is to an extent that, but cod is still very arcadey and the historical inaccuracies is glaring.
@@SuchDoge4242 ehhh not all of em, mw1 and 2 the recent ones are pretty neat
@@koreancowboy42 still compared to let's say arma or even squad it feels like an arcade shooter, but yes they were great games that reinvigorated my wanting to play COD
"Where are they all coming from?"
I don't know, possibly from the carriers you are actively attacking...
The combat air patrol was not that large. Most were stuck in the attack on Midway.
17:00 It's okay I get it, as a Latino I rarely use Spanish phrases at random, especially when speaking to Americans, this would only make sense if their accent was really thick and it was hard to use English under stress or for certain words. But this guy in Vanguard sounds white
It is the same cringe as James Vega in Mass Effect 3. A white Latino who sounds white but is voicing a darker skin Latino and throwing in random Spanish words.
I speak both Spanish and English but am not Iberian/Latino, and the thing that stood out to me was that he used really simple words for not reason like por favor. Spanglish isn't interjecting random phrases, it's complete code-switching like syntax and all, often one sentence in English then another in Spanish, or object words like "no quiero 'coffee'/Where is my 'hermana'?. It's just plainly forced Spanglish and really hard to listen to.
Finishes training as a navy pilot, gets welcomed aboard by his squadron leader: "welcome to the Army son!"
10:45
You were right about the type of ship however they have no main battery's or turrets.
so midway happend on 4-7 june 1942, on the poster 'army air forses' we see b29 Superfortreses, the First flight of these was only in september 21
9:41 American Naval Aviators were officers. There were a few enlisted aviators (sergeants rather than corporals), but they were mostly Marines. The unit commanders were all officers.
4:41 This is a US Army uniform with a Sergeant's stripes. The US Navy stripes are completely different (red on navy blue or blue on white). Marines in Aviation would wear Navy uniform and were Naval Aviators.
3:30 the manual prop start would have never been done like this. You’d lose 4 crewmembers if that engine started or backfired. And avengers had magneto starters so no crew member needed to manually turn the prop.
23:49 Iirc, dive bomber pilots would actually open their canopies before and during a dive. So they kinda have it backwards here
I keep laughing whenever he says "WHAT THE F**K IS THAT?"
I mean I do hear, and I personally speak with Spanish words while speaking English, but I don’t say it every 2nd sentence. So yeah it felt kinda forced, it felt like they really wanted to put it in your face that “hey look he is Latino! Diversity!” I’m a Mexican-American serving for the U.S. Navy as well and glad to see you know your shit man! Keep it up bro!
At 12:36 that's my sbd! I work as crew chief for it when on the rare occasions it flies! It's probably one of the most accurate representations of an sbd you can find. It even has all the radios in the back where no one can see them. Does make her a pig up in Colorado where's she's based but still a awesome airplane!
At 5:00 you have an Army NCO leading a briefing for naval aviators on an aircraft carrier in the middle of the Pacific. He has a CIB (the placement on the uniform is plausible) and jump wings with a European campaign ribbon, but also an Army Air Forces unit patch on the shoulder. Meanwhile this is 1942 at Midway right? There wasn’t even ground fighting involving the US Army in the ETO yet. The only Army ground fighting in the Pacific thus far was in the Philippines. Most of them were either dead or in POW camps at this point. Not to mention the way this character is wearing his belt with the holster backwards… it’s like the makers of this game watches one episode of Band of Brothers and decided this is what every man in the United States military during World War II looked like.
16:10 Seeing the expected losses in the coming operation, command decided to take off all main guns from this heavy cruiser and put them into a land based battery, converting this ship to a troop transport
4:37 - yellow patch under the airborne wings is the unit flash. Yellow border with blue center would be the 504th PIR, though the ratio of color size is way off. Ribbon is the Europe-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal...ish. The really weird part of his SSI is that it is an Air Corps patch with an Aiborne tab, on the wrong end!
Also, looks like his pinks and greens is with an Ike Jacket, which didn't get issued until 1944, and for some drunken reason he's wearing his M1911 holster on some kind of cross draw configuration which would make reloading almost impossible as his magazine pouch is on his right side. No, he's not left handed as he's writing with his right hand. Maybe left eye dominant??
If the data I saw is correct, Japanese had total of 105 Zeros at Midway. And they lost 12 planes on combat air patrol (which was flown by Zeros) - I assume it was while defending American attack on the fleet. Other 30 planes they lost in attacks against Midway and American Fleet - but majority of these were not Zeros.
What I am saying is in the video player destroys at least 28 Zeros on their own which would instantly make him second best US Navy ace in the whole war and would be responsible for over 200% of Japanese combat air patrol losses at midway lol
17:00 It's a perfectly apt and fair assessment to make, and I feel with the text you also provide; it's exactly what companies do to either cover for their own short comings, or project what they imagine satisfies their moral-busy-bodying of their customers . . . Look no farther than Blizzard-Activision who says and puts out games saying one thing; while their senior staff do the exact opposite of that messaging.
17:00 As a Latino when I first played through the mission I noticed how kinda weird it sounded that he just said words in Spanish as to say like hey I’m Mexican it didn’t make me hate the mission just kinda weird since not many people talk like that where they put one or two Spanish words for spice. Whenever I hear my parents do it usually because they don’t know the English word or they will say entire sentence or two in Spanish and not just a word or two
Last I knew gunners on Navy planes in WWII were enlisted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they had their own ready room. So he'd be limited to "sir", "Lieutenant," or "el-tee". Getting things wrong when there are resources galore ticks me off as well.
1. They never headed straight for the enemy fleet, especially McClusky's squadron.
2. They expected 4 but only saw 2 carriers, leading to most flights being wasted on trying to find them.
3. THEY DIDN'T BOMB 2 CARRIERS IN 1 SORTIE OH MY GOD THIS ONE IS ANNOYING
4. They were never intercepted by zeros en route to the carriers, zeros were busy with the TBDs.
5. They never stayed at the fleet, "BeLoW tHe fLaK FiRe", they got the hell outta there after scoring hits on 3 aircraft carriers.
operationally, torpedo and dive bombers cruised at a higher altitude so their fighter escorts would have more altitude to work with when engaging enemy fighters. it wasnt until the bombers got closer to the targets and began approaching the engagement envelope of the ship mounted defenses that they descended to attack altitude to get under the guns to drop their torpedoes. dive bombers similarly approached high and didnt push over into their attacks until they were much closer to the targets. if they had cruised at low altitude, fuel burn for all the aircraft would have been higher and the escorting fighters would have been at a major disadvantage for potential energy when engaging the fleet's protective fighter screen.
17:18 he’s Hispanic most likely a Mexican (Hispanic is Spain/ any Spanish descended races) and whenever you see characters like this in movies and games they’re used in a very token way that constantly reminds you “they’re different” but in real life in that time I believe that matteo here would’ve integrated more and code switched into acting more accordingly to the “white mans army since he knew the prejudice he would face even if he did act like all the rest and wouldn’t want to give any more reason for him to be discriminated against
Aparently theres is people who speak like that in the US ... but as a rule of thumb its generally disrespectful to break a conversation by deliberately saying words in a foreing lenguage every couple of sentences. No bilingual worth it's salt would do it.
9:24 why does a Navy enlisted man have an Army Airborne Division patch?
That aside, my biggest gripes about this mission are the player character should have their helmet on on the flight deck. No way is an aircraft sitting on the deck with the engine running, no chocks, and nobody in the cockpit. Granted, my experience is Air Force but there can’t be that much difference.
Wait until he finds out about the Japanese infantry with MG-42s and STG 44s
I saw another video that said the canopy would actually be opened, not closed, during the dive attack, because the altitude change would fog the glass otherwise. Got the canopy open in a thunderstorm too…
there were a load of innacuracies in this video, to start the yellow flight deck markings on american carriers were removed before the battle of midway and all 3 carriers had blue painted flight decks with white markings. The american carrier you take off from i belive was supposed to be Enterprise but the model for it is the USS Hornet CV-8 along with that all of the anti aircraft was accurate for the Hornet in 1942. Nothing was mentioned about the cruisers in the american fleet missing their main turrets and nothing was mentioned about the first carrier being attacked not being kaga. The open canopy is accurate in a slight way but in reverse order, the canopy had to be open on the SBD during the dive or the glass would fog up but in normal flight they would be closed. The second carrier that was attacked was a mostly accurate model of the Kaga a few inaccuracies being the missing 12.7cm Type 89 AA guns on the bow and the hangar being a little bit too tall.
one thing I forgot to add is the formation for the American fleet is wrong, the fleet formations for american carrier groups was a defensive circle of destroyers followed by the cruisers inside that and then battleships and the carriers (I know at Midway no battleships were available) but anyway in the final shot the cruisers and destroyers are slapped around in random spots
18:52 For a long mission, you would want to fly at whatever altitude gives you the best distance traveled per fuel used, whatever that cruise altitude may be. When you spot the target, then you would descend to attack it, and that actually applies to both torpedo bombers and dive bombers. Even if you have to use some fuel to climb to altitude, it's worth it because most of the flight is spent flying at altitude and you actually get better gas mileage at higher altitudes (up to a certain limit) because of reduced drag from the less dense air. In other words, once you get higher you end up flying faster while the fuel use doesn't really increase (in fact it may decrease). Or, you can fly at same speed with much reduced fuel consumption, which is really what they did.
The TBD Devastators did historically fly at lower altitudes than the SBD Dauntless dive bombers and F4F Wildcat escort fighters, but not because that was in any way beneficial to the operations. It was just that the Devastator's performance was so much worse than the Dauntless and the Wildcat's that they couldn't fly at the same altitude. This actually caused a lot of problems with coordinating their attacks and other operations. They would have loved to keep the aircraft at the same altitude to make it easier to keep in line of sight, and even more importantly allowing the escort fighters to protect both the dive bombers and the torpedo bombers.
Ironically this altitude difference ended up being one of the big factors to why the US dive bomber attack was so effective - the Japanese air defense fighters had engaged the low-flying torpedo bombers and shot them down, so they were completely out of position to respond to the dive bombers as they approached and started their attacks. But it wasn't any kind of planned tactic, it just happened that way because the Devastator at this point of the war absolutely sucked, and the torpedoes they carried somehow sucked even more.
So the dive bombers ended up saving the day, but was much as the Battle of Midway was a success for the US Navy and a disaster for the Japanese, it was really a series of incredibly lucky breaks that produced that outcome instead of, say, the USN torpedo bombers and dive bombers completely missing the Japanese carriers or finding them at a different time when they weren't in such a vulnerable position.
They did know there was 4, but the recon plane had only spotted 2. It was also why Yorktown was further north, recovering her scouts, and why Hornet's bomber, scout, and fighter squadrons had all gone on the infamous "flight to nowhere".
Honestly i enjoyed your commentary on this than the actual trailer.
4:35 That is actually Staff Master Mega General Corpsman Elite Brigadier Marshal Callo F. Duty, the best most awesomest soldier in all of the US Military. He's served in every branch of the military, including the famous Zweihander Landsknecht division of Albany, hence the master swordsman 1st rank badge. He even fought with the soviets all the way from Barbarossa to the Siege of Berlin, and he actually single-handedly kicked Hitler in the balls before dropkicking him off the roof the Reichstag whilst simultaneously doing the cossack strut, downing 3 oz of Vodka and planting a soviet flag on the roof. So show some respect.
Correction: *ball.*
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There is zero excuse for messing up the cockpit details when there are pictures available
Wait a minute, where the anime girls?
Straight history vid :) amazing I can do those ha
@@AnimarchyHistory The video was really well done.
Shows how most gaming companies don’t do enough research for their games.
The guns on the front of the carrier(bow location) mentioned at 10:20, are actually the quad 1.1” AA guns called “The Chicago Pianos” with a rate of fire of 150 RPM, and a max range of 8,000 yards, the Yorktown class carriers had 4 of these mounted on the ships, one under the flight deck (bow), and the others along side the flight deck
35:39 “you got a hole in your left wing!”
From my own understanding Junyū looks very little like those carriers specifically the islands Junyū’s island was quite large by Japanese standards and had the large angled funnel on top of it as well.
To me the quad mount might be a Chicago piano
That badge on that SSG's looks like a cross between a CAB and a CIB. The combat infinity badge was established in 1943 which would make sense l, but that looks nothing like one(lmao) and that CAB wasn't established until 2005 so idk wtf they were going for 😂😂😂
There are literally bullet holes in the canopy, he's flying through a thunderstorm with an open cockpit, his wing is on fire, and he's been shot by at least a dozen zeroes, which all have 20mm cannons.
And he still keeps on flying
He is a true gamer
I guess his daddy told him dying is hsy.
Yorktown was dead after the battle of midway. It had only just been another naval battle before midway to Battle of the coral sea. It was positioned away from Hornet and Enterprise. Yorktown took all the beating in midway from the Japanese. And its crews of Engineers were so good at repairing it Japanese kept thinking it was another ship. They tried to get it moving after the battle but had to leave it.
yup. Did they eventually sink it with a couple of torpedoes at some point or was it another ship?
What gets me is the constantly charging the machine guns, like it refreshes the ammunition or something. You might do that if the gun gets jammed, or there's a misfire, but not every 30 seconds as though it's a mag release/reload button on a rifle or pistol.
5:58 those aren’t even the US Army jump wings or the Army Glider badge. They just threw some random countries jump wings on his uniform and called it a day.
17:00 In COD WW2 there was a tank commander called Perez and I don't remember hear any Spanish word but here Hernandez is taking Spanish in almost every sentence.
Peace from Honduras 🇭🇳
Perez acted like a real US tank crew, Hernandez acted like a token American Mexican character so you can't forget there's diversity in each campaign.
Pretty sure he said mierda once. But the tank ahead of him just exploded and that didn't feel to weird because I can see someone speaking in their native language in panic.
I may be wrong but I believe those are staff sergeant ranks they may be different in WW2 but in modern times that's a staff sergeants rank on his sleeve
Just wanted to add now that I’m rewatching this after watching your reaction to the Bougainville mission, first off all I’ve watched all your reactions to this dumpster fire game and За верных друзей! I am blown away by your dedication to historical accuracy, but I specifically wanted to thank you for what you said around 17:04 here... Just like with the cringeworthy lines they used to make a mockery out of the bad ass motherfuckers in the 93rd infantry division, I’ve never been able to put it into words the frustration I feel seeing this sort of stuff in games and movies. You don’t need to make caricatures out of the brave men and women of every creed and color who gave their lives defending their homeland, to me it downplays how even after “letting” ethnic minorities DIE for this country we still treated them like shit, specifically selected suicide missions for them and then downplayed their achievements afterwards. I am so conflicted about this because it warms my heart to see any recognition shown in modern media but downplaying the racism, sexism and homophobia in the military which is still fucking rampant even to this day by making it seem like we were all just chummy with one another really grinds my gears… I dunno if that’s a sentiment shared by all but it’s certainly what bothers me about the white savior complex that is so prevalent across the country to this very day
As a Battle of Midway enthousiast I have to say this game was very educational. I feel I have a much better understanding now of what electroshock therapy is like...
So the 10:00 "quad 20 mm" is actually a 1.1inch/75 quad mount " Chicago piano" it is a early war us aa mount however was replace very quickly it is very rarely see in ww2 games that don't focus on historical accuracy good modeling by them.
Enterprise actually kept that single bow mounted Chicago Piano the entire war. Why it wasn’t changed out for a Bofors like the other pianos I don’t know
The MGs did not have enough ammo to do all this dog fighting! However, it is a video game.
Just to clear something up. As a Latino. Yeah sometimes I forget English words BUT no I dont just randomly toss spanish words into every other sentance.
The controls for the plane felt weird. Its like they were tring on-rails and free-flying at the same time, like I can fly around but only turn left or right I can barely ascend or descend.
Yeah when I was playing this mission and sunk the second carrier I was extremely confused because it's a mix of the Akagi and the Kaga, i was stumped about the fact they could make a mistake like that
21:00 You've forgotten that in COD, bullets arrive at their target instantaneously...
The qual mounts are accurate they are the 1.1in “Chicago Pianos” a prewar AA gun that was quickly replaced in Enterprise’s first refit since the slow fire rate made them terrible heavy AA guns in comparison to the Bofors
No idea if anyone one else mentioned it but 9:38 who the fuck is the Sag? I know Carriers have CAGs with is the Airgroup Commander, no idea the fuck this guy mentioned.
Amendment 1: Why are they apparently flying a tricycle land gear SBD? The entire sequence for the pilot is wings level, even sitting on the deck?
Amendment 2: 33:19 where the hells did that TBD come from, they've been 'shot down' for several minutes now?
Amendment 3: Several pilots saying they're 'punching out' which makes no sense because that's a modern call out for using an ejection seat.
I hate the fact they had to emphasize the guy's "Hispanic-ness" in this game mission... when there's an *ENTIRE* chapter of the Pacific Theater involving the liberation of the Philippines involving the Mexican Expeditionary Air Force, Esquadron 201 (The ONLY Mexican military excursion outside of its national borders). ENTIRE friggin' thing just sitting there on a silver platter, and they decide to crap on basically everyone with whatever the hell this is. Dude even sounds friggin' CUBAN for some reason, despite the fact he should have most likely himself been Mexican, as most the Pacific Fleet would have departed from the lower 48 from San Diego in Southern California, spitting distance from the Mexican Border, and he most likely have been picked up from either the American Southwestern states. Cubans didn't start mass migrating to Florida until the Cuban revolution.
The cruisers at 10:55 are missing their main guns
You could go on all day nitpicking what was wrong with that uniform 4:35.
Firstly, that guy is clearly a member of the US Army Air Force, but is for some reason on a US Navy carrier. His uniform is clearly a US army Ike Jacket, which was not even standard issue until 1944 anyway so it still does not make sense. His garrison cap has air corps blue and orange piping, so he is indeed an airman - if this had been a mission flying with the AAF then they would have at least got that right, but again... US Navy and all that. His patch looks like it is clearly from a made up air force, and it says "Airborne" on it as if he is supposed to be a paratrooper... I am not sure if those are jump or aviation wings, but as far as I am aware the airborne were the only ones who would wear those "breast ovals" behind the jumpwings. The color depended on what regiment you were with, I believe. Perhaps my eyes deceive me, but that looks like a ribbon for the European-African-Middle Eastern Theater medal, which was not handed out until after the war in Europe had ended and would not make sense for someone who was in the Pacific anyway. Like you said in the video, I have no idea what they were trying to do with that sword badge either. They actually gave him an enlisted man's collar tabs on his Ike jacket, but they appear to be for an infantry or artilleryman - not an aviator. My God, this game had next to zero care and attention put into it. Imagine if people who actually cared about the source material had made it...
So yeah, we have a time traveling US Army Air Force aviator sergeant who is also a regular army paratrooper helping plan the battle of Midway. This guy must have also single-handedly killed Hitler, because somehow he's already won the European Theater of Operations. Bet you he will bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki too!
This is a very good analysis of the Midway mission in WoK: Vanguard, I personally enjoy it.
And your not bugging either about the Nagato-Class battleships. I counted 11 Nagato-Class battleships in total on my latest viewing and, geeeeeezzzz, Japan could only dream for a thousand years that they had that kind of industrial capacity and still not have it.
I'm the only that noticed the New Orleans cruiser don't have main gun turret
I didn't notice because to be honest, I instinctively expected it to be there so I was looking at the superstructure and the stack configuration. I was focusing on the little so I didn't notice the big
When taking of at 16:10 you can see another, without guns, which seems counterintuitive for a warship.
35:15 “YOU GOT A HOLE IN YOUR LEFT WING”
Wait, wrong game…
They only dropped down to dropping torpedoes closer to the target area. You normally had the planes at the same altitude since it would make it easier for the fighter, when they got launched, to escort the whole strike package.
Yeah. But at Midway they stayed lower than the dauntlesses due to fuel issues. They had launched from max range and didn’t form up with the rest of the group but proceeded to target individually.
@@AnimarchyHistory Ah, I forgot about that part of it.
@@AnimarchyHistory I believe only hornet and enterprise sent their squadrons out on their own. Yorktown had their squadrons fly together which is why they were the only ones to have a proper fighter escort and organize their strike on the two carriers with only the torpedo bombers and the escort being spotted giving the dive bombers a practically defenseless target
LOL that "campaign" ribbon is the ribbon they give to fresh recruits after boot camp...in the modern military, as a participation trophy for finishing boot camp...LOL
That was painful to watch. How many Zeros did the player shoot down?
Apparently the IRL record (for American pilots at least) was nine in one day, just a side note.
8:20 "funny thing about ships is that they move"
Me (not a boat doctor): "holy shit"
The Battle of Midway in COD vanguard was done terribly. It was painful playing it
Midway is one of my favorite battles of WW2. I was so excited that it was going to be in a cod game only to be disappointed ☹️
Leaving aside the huge amount of crap pointed out in the video, the mechanics of the gameplay were terrible. The flying felt unnatural and sluggish and you just flew around too much and it dragged on. Nothing felt fun at all. Heroes of the Pacific did this better.
About the text you wrote in 16:55:
I'm argentinian, so I can't really speak for every 'latino', but I can definitely tell that it's the typical mexican stereotype to make that media appear more diverse. There's this channel called History Legends, which showed how there were two 'latinos' in Midway, and I think both died before the mission we see in Vanguard took place, so it's not genuine. But yeah, it's the overused mexican stereotype that we're all sick of.
Im Colombian, and is just odd that games now at days feel the need to include a character that just mixes Spanish and english, I don’t like it
Yeah dude, racist people often think shoehorning in 'ethnic' words equate to representation.
12:58 nope, the bottom would be a compass, not an altimeter :) on top the skid/slip indicator as you say and on the far bottom something like an RPM indicator. Damn i miss prop planes :) Has been a while and now I fly A320 and 3 years of B737 before that. Love your videos btw! greetings from a fellow airplane geek and First Officer at a major german airline :)