If I remember correctly the commander of the Wildcats squadrons was afraid of being caught out of position and didn't come to support the torpedo bomber squadrons, and I'm less sure but I also think that they did not help dive bomber squadrons either but I'm only about 60% sure on that. I think the Wildcats were worried about being caught out of position in case the Japanese tried to counter attack. But I'm not 100% sure because the source I got this from was a book I read a while back called The Big E, the guy who wrote it actually served on a DE oh, that's a type of small escort ship which was mostly used for hunting Subs. He clearly did a lot of research for his book.
Being an avid World of Warships player, and being quite fond of the New Orleans class heavy cruiser, seeing it the way it's portrayed in CoD Vanguard physically hurts... It's a warship, how do you *forget* its main battery turrets?!
@@raihanadriatma7177 pretty sure you can spot a Nagato class as well, which is hilarious considering just how exposed the carrier group was with Yamamoto holding back with his battle group until the bombings were complete
Ah yes the battle of midway, where 70+ SBDs attack the Japanese fleet when also taking AA fire from 8+ Kongo class battlecruisers all while having dog fights in a thunderstorm. Just how I remember learning about it.
@@ConsumptiveSoul Yes and no. The Yamato wasn't with the aircraft carriers, but trailing them with the rest of the fleet. It wasn't involved in any of the fighting that I'm aware of though, at least not beyond Yamamoto sending at least one order that comes to mind.
There are only 4 Kongo class and only 2 Nagato class but there are like 8 or more battleships in there. On the contrary, Fuso and Ise class have distinctly different turret arrangement and can be easily recognized. Historically most of the battleships are too far to participate in the battle so realistically they should only encounter 2.
If you didn't notice, the pilot actually had his cockpit roof (I'll call it that) open the whole time! And he only close it when diving which is absurd.
As a naval historian with a particular focus on the Pacific Theater, the most egregious error is when they CLOSE THEIR CANOPIES prior to diving. American TBD (Edit: SBD) crews dove with their canopies OPEN, not closed, in the event they needed to ditch during the dive. There literally pictures of SBDs diving during the Battle of Midway with their canopies open.
SBD-2 max speed 255 mph-ish, cruising speed 185 mph... A6M max speed 331 mph, cruising speed 207 mph... Yeah...A dauntless isn't outrunning a Zero but it was nimble enough for Stanley "Swede" Vejtasa to knock out 3 Zero's during the Battle of Coral Sea. Vanguard's protagonist makes him seem like small potatoes.
Somewhat of a surprise, Dauntlesses were pretty agile when they didn't have their bombs attacked, were covered in guns, and had some of the toughest armor in the US air arsenal.
@@williamerwin7094 “Were covered in guns” is a weird way to say “had a single rear gunner like every other light bomber of the time.” And it didn’t really have much armor per se, especially not compared to something like the IL2, as much as it was ruggedly constructed.
@@Meatwad440 He doesn't say he recognized the ships by the number of chimneys. He just said it was "a cruiser" instead of a destroyer and threw a "New Orleans" guess just because historically, he knew New Orleans ships were sailing in that mission.
The crews wore these hats/caps. Tons of pictures of it. And different colours meant different tasks, stations and... specifications? This is still done on modern carriers.
Yep exactly. Can't give you the Navy destinations. But in the Marines yellow is support equipment, purple is fuel, brown is engine, white is QA, red is ordinance, green is basically everybody else like airframes, life support, flight equipment.
@@unluckymonkey4382 as far as i know in the Navy yellows direct the aircraft on deck, yellows with tan pants are the shooters, green are working with catapults and arrest wires, everyone else is the same as you have described
I mean Sledgehammer did hire a WW2 historian during the production of COD WW2, and that game feels soooooo much better and feels so historically accurate and authentic then this game
As a massive nerd on military throughout history and present day, it hurts me when I see things like this being portrayed wrongly, and I’m sure it hurts a lot of other people too!
I hate how there aren't even sailors manning the aa guns on the Japanese carriers, no one running to get more magazines, you see no one reloading the aa guns nope, just aa guns firing on their own
@@poptartthefourth7295 this stuff is so easy to get right that it's aggrevating. How hard is it to get the amount of carriers correct? Why get these easily found major details wrong when it would take two seconds on Wikipedia to get it right? Laziness.
Cod don't change but we change that's why back then when a new cod came out we're happy but no we got bored because we play the same thing over and over again
@@hendendkeld3394 I actually still enjoy CoD 1 & 2 after not playing it for years. Old but Gold. But I still agree with you. There's almost zero innovation in these games.
@@dmitrit.4862 It's because most gamers don't use their brains when they buy these games. It's not hard to figure out that if people keep buying these games despite not having any new features or even being playable in some cases. I'm sorry but it has to be said that many gamers are morons with their money and it's their own damn fault they keep getting ripped off.
at 8:10 the SBD has an altimeter in the rear gunner position, because in a dive the gunner turns around to brace, so he actively reads out the altitude level to the pilot to allow the pilot to focus on his angle and bomb release, it is one of the only accurate things I have seen in the game so far.
@@albay543 i think the cockpit still had an altimeter its just that the when diving the pilot would be to focused on the dive to read it so the gunner could read it to him
"Why did he ask his gunner for his Altitude", well in the SBD-3 There was either an extra or the only altimeter and during a dive the pilot would often ask his altitude because he is involved with aiming up with the target.
The crew hats in the flight deck were actually historically accurrate. The color of your hat also determined your job in the aircraft carrier. In fact, this is still the rule in modern aircraft carriers.
I was pretty much like.... "Yeaaaaah... NOPE." from the Briefing it self. Army guy giving a Naval Airmen briefing & the "ArMy AiR fORcEs" poster on a US NAVY carrier really took me out of it. Also made go... "Oh WtF mate!" When the Torpedo bombers were at Dive bomber height with the Dauntless squads. LOL
Um, dude? It WAS the United States Army Air Forces at the time. USAAF was created in '41 as branch of the Army (besides the Ground Forces and Services of Supply/Service Forces) and responsible for all non-Navy/Marines air operations. It remained that way until the National Security Act of 1947, which amongst other things established the USAF as an independent service. Kinda weird they somehow got that little thing right in the midst of this whole shitshow.
@@magni5648 You said it yourself. They're responsible for non-Navy/Marines air operations. What branch controls the naval fleets? The Navy and Marine Corps had their own air component during the war. These were naval aircraft, not AAF aircraft
@@Awesomeduud I was specifically talking about the OP making fun of "Army Air Forces" itself, outside the specific context. People not knowing that the Air Force didn't exist yet during WWII is pretty common.
5:00 I believe the color of shirts were accurate, the red hat in white shirts were for managing ordnances right after leaving the elevator you can see a crew in red hat white shirt towing a bomb, red shirts were for refueling, the yellow shirts were for plane directors which we can see doing hand signals to a plane, the blue shirts were plane pushers, brown shirts were plane captains responsible for making sure that a plane is fit to fly we can see a few next to planes ready to take off, this small detail here is surprisingly correct and nice to see, shame goes for the rest of the mission.
Cruiser and destroyers can have more than 1 chimney. Clear exemple is the fletcher class, that also has 2 chimney. These are New Orleans cruisers we see, but without turrets… Destroyers main job is to seek subs, scout, and mainly uses torpedoes. Cruisers have gunnery job, to support the battleships, and provide AA cover. What makes me laugh really hard, as a former weapon technician in French Air Force, is that the pilot close his canopy far later then in reality. At first sight of enemy, you close it ! Because it protects you from bullets and shrapnels. Right after bombing, pilot opens it ? WTF !
"DDs have one chimney" No, this isn't how this works. Wickes and Clemson class had 4 funnels for example. BTW - where are the guns on the cruisers? You know, the MAIN GUNS? 6:28 Two guys just casually flying towards each other for no reason... I can't believe the USN didn't enforce separation. Right above the damn carrier as well, wtf? Why would a fighter pilot go for a head on pass? Midway is still (relatively) early stage, so there are quite a lot of competent pilots on the Japanese side, who would know and employ fighter tactics and not be suicidal morons trying to ram a dive bomber of all things.
Yeah I picked that up also. What kind of annoying his insistence referring to ships being to close. When it's clearly done for cinematic reasons. I've stared just watching this channel just to see his mistakes, rather than the actual content he's reviewing.
As a warthunder player I can contest To that, if you are too high up, the enemy anti aircraft guns will get you or an enemy fighter, however timing is crucial because if you drop your bombs too early you have a higher chance at missing your target or for them to evade, drop the bomb too late and you’ll just become a kamikaze pilot and crash, and whilst playing a video is far different than reality, the amount of flack being fired at you is terrifying.
@@tsuaririndoku well Vanguard is an fps with an unnecesary vehicle mission while WoW/wot is a vehicle arcade, it's obvious a Game which has vehicle fighting as it's main gameplay is going to be better
12:47 Yeah…but let’s be honest. The average player playing this mission would empty all of their rounds in the first what? 6-10 seconds of the mission, especially with how often I see gameplay of people not even bothering to lead their shots when defection shooting.
The color of the shirts represent what job that sailor has. Blue mean you move the aircraft around, Yellow is a higher ranking blue and is in charge of making sure your plane will move, Purple is in charge of fueling your plane, Red is in charge of puting the munitions on the plane. There are also Green, Brown, and White shirts but they aren't really seen in the mission
Fun fact about the “all torpedo bombers down” line: The TBs used were TBD Devastators, much slower than the SBD, but just as rugged and tough. Most aircraft had to crash into the sea from having no fuel, and whatever crews not being rescued ended up being captured by (what remained) of the Japanese fleet. Sadly, they were all executed
I totally lost it in the dogfight scene when the zeroes engaged the enterprise divebombers but in REALITY the enterprise divebombers where untouched by the zeroes during morning attack is because the zeroes are flying too low and busy shooting down other torpedo air group.
''Look im a foreigner Character, i speak english, however i'll use some words from my country of birth, because it's cool and funny specially for cursing, and because i need desperately to show the audience im a Foreigner!''
On using modern hand signals, I think it's an ongoing trend to have modern military signaling and methods bleed into WWII and even WWI media. On one hand, it might be stuck habits from military training and visual storytelling, but on the other it removes from the authenticity. Another example is modern gun handling and especially when marching with one's weapon at the ready.
After this "mission" this failure you should react to the movie midway that came out in 2019 i personally believe that they did a great job portraying the battle itself with the historical details that you mentioned as well!!!
The historical events were mostly accurate but the movie sucked. It tried to cram too much into the storyline, was filled with cringy, empty, braindead and cliched dialogue and in general felt very forced.
I really love that movie, I watch it all the time, and I don't really get why people keep complaining about the darn cgi it's literally not the most Bulls hit ugly disgusting computer generated imagery nothing is wrong with it, and the movie is a great enjoyable war movie
@@albay543 People complain about the CGI because they had a budget of $100m but this was the result... There are films with lesser budgets that produced more realistic and polished CGI
11:15 if I'm not mistaken, that's actually one of the few historically accurate things here. The reason there aren't any fighter planes from VF-6, is because the launching of the aircraft from the carriers was jumbled and out of order, since the US was still learning to use their carriers effectively, so planes would fly off in different directions, and when the Dauntlesses and Devestators eventually found the Japanese fleet, they didn't have their escorts with them, which is why a large number of the planes were lost to defending Zeroes. The movie Midway did the same thing. Oh and at 17:34 , that's isn't Soryu. That's actually Akagi, the flag ship during the attack.
From what I have seen, the interior of the Enterprise is off in terms of colouring. Everything is white, grey, yellow, red etc. The yellow "Bullseyes" were used in the 80s and are visible on the Iowas, whilst in WW2 everything was held in grey and black, with round Bullseyes in dark colours. Also, there are closed portholes in the walls where in reality quite a bit of ship is left behind them (look at the width of the hangar above). Also the frame which they walk through should be a watertight door, not an open frame. When we are there already, lets talk about the fact that the hatch they climbed up through doesnt exist on the Booklet of General plans, isnt watertight and is near another watertight door which cant lead anywhere since that would be the outer hull. Plus they held their briefind either in a messroom or the Officers Galley. The plans for the Yorktown are open to the public... Overall: 2/10 Looks nice at first glance, but is a mayor headache when looking at it closer.
24:51 “Poor engineering” puts it lightly considering Kaga was a nearly finished battlecruiser hull that got converted to an aircraft carrier at the very last minute due to the Washington Naval Treaty taking effect and putting a limit on the size and number of battleships a member nation’s navy could have. Akagi had the same issue but they had an easier time as they decided to change over Akagi sooner in the construction. It’s actually kind of meme worthy though how Japan lost so many aircraft carriers to flawed design or lack of experience and training (Definitely look at the fate of IJN Taihou for a fine example of that).
Battleship. Kaga was to be the second Tosa-class BB. Originally, the Japanese had wanted to convert Akagis' sister ship (and class nameship) Amagi, but she was wrecked in drydock during the Kanto earthquake. So Kaga got shoehorned in as the replacement instead of getting scrapped or used as a target ship.
The uniform colours refer to the role that person has, its only used for certain flight deck personnel Yellow = Flight Deck Officer, he supervises all operations on the flight deck Red w/Black stripe = Ordnance men, Preparing and loading bombs and ammunition onto planes Red = Firefighters Green/Blue = Plane handlers, Guys who push planes around the hangers and flight deck to get them in position to launch, they will also signal when to launch There are nowhere near enough crews wearing green or blue as this would be majority bulk of the flight deck crew
Note also that Hernandez should also be wearing the blue flight deck uniform given that his role as Aviation Machinist's mate naturally involves him handling the plane. In fact, he never should have been at the briefing, rather he should have been double checking the SBD they would be using.
The rear gunner calling out the altitude during the dive IS realistic. It's so that the pilot doesn't have to focus on the altimeter and can focus on hitting the target
Also one thing that *in the game they bomb the Soryu first and after that they bomb the Kaga* BUT *Kaga got hit by bomb first and after Sōryū and Akagi and Hiryū in afternoon*
8:08 far has i know, yes its historically accurate he is responsible for the launch of the aircraft and also give the pilot some informations like wind etc *I MIGHT BE WRONG TOO*
7:30 as a former aeronautics student, I can tell you that thing Is called "artificial horizon" or "gyro horizon". And It serves to help orieteering the pilot the position of the plane relative to the Earth horizon. And most of all, THEY WERE NOT PRESENT IN WW2 AIRPLANES!
Why does he close the canopy when dive bombing. That is when it should be open since SBDs had a problem when the gunsight would fog up when diving with closed canopy.
The board the crewmember flashes has last-minute information such as direction and distance to the target. It would also have the magnetic compass heading that the ship was currently on. Apparently being on a big metal ship would mess with the compasses on board their aircraft setting them ever so slightly off alignment.
as a warthunder player its never that easy to get a bead on a zero they are to fast with their twin 20 mm cannons you got to make sure they never get behind you, they know this and never stay still. And also I tested with my friend ,is it possible to shoot down the zero with a sbd? And yes it's possible ONLY when the enemy pilot doesn't have training
“Ahh yeah I forgot, this is an American game, you get a free refill for everything” That comment earned my subscription! Love the attention to detail in your videos!
1:55 IIRC, the initial spotting reports of the kido butai only said 2 flattops, so I think this would be accurate (even if the US would quickly realize there was 4)
@6:26, each hat means something else on a boat. Red: Ordnance or damage control/ crash crew. Purple: Fuel only. White: Safety or an officer, could be medical team if with red cross. Blue: tie down team or aircraft handlers (guys who strap down or move aircraft around the deck). Green: Mechanics and guys who handle general equipment of the flight deck. Yellow: Signals guys who direct launching or recovery (They're the ones in charge of moving aircraft). Brown: Plane captains who prep and ready planes for pilots.
7:06 the shirts were to indicate the roles for the flight deck crew, For yellow the role is for navigating aircraft, green catapult crews and cargo handling, for white its landing assistance and medical crews, purple for Fueling and blue for assistants, Red is for Handling and mounting ordnance
Hi! I’m kinda an aviation expert, especially about the sbd as I have flown one a couple times. The SBD crew would not have their canopy closed during a bomb run just in case they need to bail out 16:14. Also the cockpit layout looks very off and some of the modeling on the SBD inside and out have the wrong dimensions like the nose on a couple of them.
Im confuse why the pilot closed his cockpit when his diving and not when his fighting the zeros And if im sure sbd pilots open there cockpit when they dive
As far as I know there was a group of Mexican pilots the "Aztec eagles" who participated in the pacific war, being the 4 country in the Americas to send soldiers to participate in the Second World War (the first being US, 2nd Canada and the 3rd Brazil)
the ships are supposed to be close. The american employed the escorts as close AA support and torpedo nets. 1:59 due to the intelligence recieved the ameircans thought the IJN were operating their carriers in 2 different strike groups
The guys on the flight deck that are color coated are air wing personnel. Red deals with weapons and ordinance. Purple deals with fuel. White is safety and medical personnel Yellow are the guys who planes dire action and when it get launched. ( I’m no air wing but I would assume the guy with the board is telling the pilots to perform test before take off.) Brown are your guys in charge on a said plane such as maintenance and trouble shoot Blue are your guys who handle aircraft such bringing said aircraft from let say the flight deck to the hanger bay. Green are your cargo handler.
Correct me if im wrong For those who are wondering most of the CBAs or Carrier Based Aircraft in the pacific had their canopies open because it was too damn hot, climate in the pacific is way different than in europe. But they have an option to close it except for dive bombers like the dauntless. adding air conditioning will mostly likely add weight to the fighters and dive bombers and they also leave it open to bail out easily if they got shot down. But in vanguard the character closes the canopy while diving is just stupid, it'll fog up the canopy and probably the heat producing by the engine will kill the pilot.
But historically accuracy? The campaign is just BS, dauntless never fight off a zero because of their slow speed and they're a DIVE BOMBER not a fighter.
Dude, I absolutely love your vids. It would be awesome if you did a super long vid on everything you know about WW2, like a break down of the overall time line. Again amazing job.
Actually when the pilot said “ altitude”(or something like that) it’s because in real life the pilots can’t focus on the altitude in their side, they have to focus on diving and dishing AA at the same time, and Mateo was a backseat gunner and when diving planes CAP planes would usually not chase after them do to fear out of being hit my grid to flack, so the backseat would keep updating the Altitude to the pilot
as a guy who loves to research and study ships of multiple classes and nations, Planes arent supposed to take off with an opertional elevator that close to the runway at 5:05, also a good thing to mention that the aircraft was taking off with the comm. lines raised on the left at 18:27, which in reality you can't take off with those things raised.
One thing when you asked about the gunner with altitude, they also had a set of controls as well as instruments, and they would tell the pilot altitude, as the pilot was focused on keeping the plane straight/aiming. So that part is historically correct. And the dive bombers would sometimes dive in formation.
Actually someone pointed out that there was no fighthers in midway cause of the confusion and in addition to it they where said to go without waiting their escorts
14:08 the Japanese did have AAA guns on most of their destroyers (after the Fubuki-class IJN Ayanami), Heavy Cruiser secondaries, Battleship secondaries, and most heavily on the Carriers. Although they were not as proficient as American AAA, they were still deadly and most importantly, they still had it.
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The battleship isn't the Amagi Heavy battleship?
5 main twin turret's, 2 front, 3 aft
@@raptor22o90 Amagi was a Carrier
Japan wanted to make a Amagi Battleship
If I remember correctly the commander of the Wildcats squadrons was afraid of being caught out of position and didn't come to support the torpedo bomber squadrons, and I'm less sure but I also think that they did not help dive bomber squadrons either but I'm only about 60% sure on that. I think the Wildcats were worried about being caught out of position in case the Japanese tried to counter attack. But I'm not 100% sure because the source I got this from was a book I read a while back called The Big E, the guy who wrote it actually served on a DE oh, that's a type of small escort ship which was mostly used for hunting Subs. He clearly did a lot of research for his book.
can you pls review big red one and finest hour? both are old call of duty's
calling cod vanguard historical is like calling a politician honest. it doesnt work
I am mad because it is true
@@Vector-ht6zq why are you mad?
@@Lenevor because it is true
Good insult.
@@joey_ramone_96Did I ask you? no
Being an avid World of Warships player, and being quite fond of the New Orleans class heavy cruiser, seeing it the way it's portrayed in CoD Vanguard physically hurts... It's a warship, how do you *forget* its main battery turrets?!
It’s actually incredible how they didn’t add them. It’s like adding a tank without its gun. Just…how do you mess that up?!
Idk why, but I have a feeling that it was removed to technically reasons like rendering. But I could be wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I saw more than 4 Kongō while there were only 4 in service in WW2
@@raihanadriatma7177 pretty sure you can spot a Nagato class as well, which is hilarious considering just how exposed the carrier group was with Yamamoto holding back with his battle group until the bombings were complete
And you can see that the DD's Have Guns in it.
Ah yes the battle of midway, where 70+ SBDs attack the Japanese fleet when also taking AA fire from 8+ Kongo class battlecruisers all while having dog fights in a thunderstorm. Just how I remember learning about it.
@@sparrisguy6330 I believe the Yamamoto was there to
@@ConsumptiveSoul Yes and no. The Yamato wasn't with the aircraft carriers, but trailing them with the rest of the fleet. It wasn't involved in any of the fighting that I'm aware of though, at least not beyond Yamamoto sending at least one order that comes to mind.
There are only 4 Kongo class and only 2 Nagato class but there are like 8 or more battleships in there. On the contrary, Fuso and Ise class have distinctly different turret arrangement and can be easily recognized. Historically most of the battleships are too far to participate in the battle so realistically they should only encounter 2.
@@rps215 I guess they reused the models then. Good info, thanks.
Dont forget their magically replenished bombs
“Midway, 1942. Cant go wrong with that.”
5 seconds later: “Hold on…”
Murphy's Law
@@redacted8983 I forgot that law something bad will happen idk but interstellar vibes
@@space4166 Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong
@@redacted8983 wow sussy
If you didn't notice, the pilot actually had his cockpit roof (I'll call it that) open the whole time! And he only close it when diving which is absurd.
No they do that a lot, I’ve seen it in photos and in harriers they do it too, until you get up to a certain speed I think
Yes I'ts absolutely absurd
I was wondering why he didn't talk about it xD
(btw it's called a canopy if you want to know :D)
@@willyamz4975 well, you are right,but not when there is shrapnel all around them from the AA.
@@tankizator5204 thanks for the correction :)
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As a naval historian with a particular focus on the Pacific Theater, the most egregious error is when they CLOSE THEIR CANOPIES prior to diving. American TBD (Edit: SBD) crews dove with their canopies OPEN, not closed, in the event they needed to ditch during the dive. There literally pictures of SBDs diving during the Battle of Midway with their canopies open.
i think you meant SBDs. TBD was devastator not dauntless.
@@ussindianapolis487
Yes
Wasn't it also because of fogging up of the windscreen
@@happygingertime
That's another valid reason, but not the main one.
i like how the dauntless is chasing zeros when the only time the dive bombers can get to the speed of the zero is by diving
Not even that, because zero is agile manuveurable.
SBD-2 max speed 255 mph-ish, cruising speed 185 mph...
A6M max speed 331 mph, cruising speed 207 mph...
Yeah...A dauntless isn't outrunning a Zero but it was nimble enough for Stanley "Swede" Vejtasa to knock out 3 Zero's during the Battle of Coral Sea. Vanguard's protagonist makes him seem like small potatoes.
Somewhat of a surprise, Dauntlesses were pretty agile when they didn't have their bombs attacked, were covered in guns, and had some of the toughest armor in the US air arsenal.
@@williamerwin7094 “Were covered in guns” is a weird way to say “had a single rear gunner like every other light bomber of the time.” And it didn’t really have much armor per se, especially not compared to something like the IL2, as much as it was ruggedly constructed.
@@Zarastro54 IL-2s basically a flying light tank
5:42 your ship identification is so good you should join a scouting squadron. You were completely spot on with identifying the New Orleans.
The first thing I see of that ship is: WHERE'S THE FUCKING MAIN BATTERIES!?!
@@panzerschliffehohenzollern4863 I KNOW HOW CAN THE DEVS ADD THE REST OF THR SHIP NOT ITS MAIN GUNS
And then he ruins it by saying he can tell the difference by the number of chimneys it says.
@@Meatwad440 He doesn't say he recognized the ships by the number of chimneys. He just said it was "a cruiser" instead of a destroyer and threw a "New Orleans" guess just because historically, he knew New Orleans ships were sailing in that mission.
In that case, world of warship players should too XD. ‘Cause even I was able to identify most of the ships.
The pilot in the game was an Ace for sure, an Ace at teamkilling.
The crews wore these hats/caps. Tons of pictures of it. And different colours meant different tasks, stations and... specifications? This is still done on modern carriers.
Yep exactly. Can't give you the Navy destinations. But in the Marines yellow is support equipment, purple is fuel, brown is engine, white is QA, red is ordinance, green is basically everybody else like airframes, life support, flight equipment.
Beat me to it...
@@unluckymonkey4382 it’s pretty much the same for navy
I thought the colors was a post-war innovation. Don't recall WW2 carriers having that although I may be wrong.
@@unluckymonkey4382 as far as i know in the Navy yellows direct the aircraft on deck, yellows with tan pants are the shooters, green are working with catapults and arrest wires, everyone else is the same as you have described
surprised you didnt say anything about the pilot having his canopy open the whole time only closing it when he started diving
Agreed, it should be the other way around.
@@Brightenikous what? Opening the canopy while dive bombing and open it back when theyre done? Can you explain this to me?
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I think they opened the canopy during dive so their windows, optics and sight don't condense with air.
@@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078 no they open there canopy dring dive so they can get out of the aircraft if something goes wrong with the plane
@@captainrope1452 you would never want to bail out from an aircraft while its diving, especially when trying to do a dive bombing run
Something that always confuses me is that for games set in the past game companies don't hire historians to make sure game devs don't make mistakes
It's just about making money off uneducated and naive people, fortunately for those companies this works quite well, so why go the extra mile.
Just like the snubbles said, why bother when the average casual player doesn't care, nor does the developers
I mean Sledgehammer did hire a WW2 historian during the production of COD WW2, and that game feels soooooo much better and feels so historically accurate and authentic then this game
They would have fired the historian the moment they started to point out errors.
@@mcwildstyle9106 COD : WW2 campaign is like something that Michael Bay would produce on his free time
As a massive nerd on military throughout history and present day, it hurts me when I see things like this being portrayed wrongly, and I’m sure it hurts a lot of other people too!
I hate how there aren't even sailors manning the aa guns on the Japanese carriers, no one running to get more magazines, you see no one reloading the aa guns nope, just aa guns firing on their own
Yeah, hurts a lot. My worst fear is that people think this was what happened
Love how you guys are getting so pissed off at a game. It’s a game not a National Geographic documentary
@@poptartthefourth7295 OK.
Then WHY THE HELL THEY CARE ABOUT FUCKING DiVerSitY???
@@poptartthefourth7295 this stuff is so easy to get right that it's aggrevating. How hard is it to get the amount of carriers correct? Why get these easily found major details wrong when it would take two seconds on Wikipedia to get it right?
Laziness.
Old COD games:Enjoyable roller coaster ride
Current COD games: Trainwreck best enjoyed at a distance
Hahaha yeah you're totally right!
@@dmitrit.4862 Haha,thanks!
Cod don't change but we change that's why back then when a new cod came out we're happy but no we got bored because we play the same thing over and over again
@@hendendkeld3394 I actually still enjoy CoD 1 & 2 after not playing it for years. Old but Gold. But I still agree with you. There's almost zero innovation in these games.
@@dmitrit.4862 It's because most gamers don't use their brains when they buy these games. It's not hard to figure out that if people keep buying these games despite not having any new features or even being playable in some cases. I'm sorry but it has to be said that many gamers are morons with their money and it's their own damn fault they keep getting ripped off.
at 8:10 the SBD has an altimeter in the rear gunner position, because in a dive the gunner turns around to brace, so he actively reads out the altitude level to the pilot to allow the pilot to focus on his angle and bomb release, it is one of the only accurate things I have seen in the game so far.
It was also more because the pilot of the SBD sometimes would tunnel version doing a dive. At least what I had heard
yeah it makes sense for the cockpit to have no altimeter since the pilot has to focus on his dive
@@albay543 i think the cockpit still had an altimeter its just that the when diving the pilot would be to focused on the dive to read it so the gunner could read it to him
"Why did he ask his gunner for his Altitude", well in the SBD-3 There was either an extra or the only altimeter and during a dive the pilot would often ask his altitude because he is involved with aiming up with the target.
The crew hats in the flight deck were actually historically accurrate. The color of your hat also determined your job in the aircraft carrier. In fact, this is still the rule in modern aircraft carriers.
Red - Fuel
Blue -Ordinance
Yellow - Directing/Landing signalling
I was pretty much like.... "Yeaaaaah... NOPE." from the Briefing it self. Army guy giving a Naval Airmen briefing & the "ArMy AiR fORcEs" poster on a US NAVY carrier really took me out of it.
Also made go... "Oh WtF mate!" When the Torpedo bombers were at Dive bomber height with the Dauntless squads. LOL
Um, dude? It WAS the United States Army Air Forces at the time. USAAF was created in '41 as branch of the Army (besides the Ground Forces and Services of Supply/Service Forces) and responsible for all non-Navy/Marines air operations. It remained that way until the National Security Act of 1947, which amongst other things established the USAF as an independent service.
Kinda weird they somehow got that little thing right in the midst of this whole shitshow.
@@magni5648 You said it yourself. They're responsible for non-Navy/Marines air operations. What branch controls the naval fleets? The Navy and Marine Corps had their own air component during the war. These were naval aircraft, not AAF aircraft
@@Awesomeduud I was specifically talking about the OP making fun of "Army Air Forces" itself, outside the specific context. People not knowing that the Air Force didn't exist yet during WWII is pretty common.
@@magni5648 Fair enough cuz you’re right
5:00 I believe the color of shirts were accurate, the red hat in white shirts were for managing ordnances right after leaving the elevator you can see a crew in red hat white shirt towing a bomb, red shirts were for refueling, the yellow shirts were for plane directors which we can see doing hand signals to a plane, the blue shirts were plane pushers, brown shirts were plane captains responsible for making sure that a plane is fit to fly we can see a few next to planes ready to take off, this small detail here is surprisingly correct and nice to see, shame goes for the rest of the mission.
There's this game called "dogfight 1942" and there's a Midway mission where a squadron actually runs out of fuel like you said
Cruiser and destroyers can have more than 1 chimney. Clear exemple is the fletcher class, that also has 2 chimney. These are New Orleans cruisers we see, but without turrets…
Destroyers main job is to seek subs, scout, and mainly uses torpedoes. Cruisers have gunnery job, to support the battleships, and provide AA cover.
What makes me laugh really hard, as a former weapon technician in French Air Force, is that the pilot close his canopy far later then in reality. At first sight of enemy, you close it ! Because it protects you from bullets and shrapnels. Right after bombing, pilot opens it ? WTF !
Perfect!
the canopy would fog up , so pilots would open it, since you know not being able to see when you're dive bombing isnt good
@@lunatic_nebula9542 But didn't pilots close it while not dive bombing, and then open it while dive bombing?
@@h.p.lovecraftscat4945 yes
@@lunatic_nebula9542 so cod got the two mixed then
"DDs have one chimney"
No, this isn't how this works. Wickes and Clemson class had 4 funnels for example. BTW - where are the guns on the cruisers? You know, the MAIN GUNS?
6:28 Two guys just casually flying towards each other for no reason... I can't believe the USN didn't enforce separation. Right above the damn carrier as well, wtf?
Why would a fighter pilot go for a head on pass? Midway is still (relatively) early stage, so there are quite a lot of competent pilots on the Japanese side, who would know and employ fighter tactics and not be suicidal morons trying to ram a dive bomber of all things.
Yeah I picked that up also. What kind of annoying his insistence referring to ships being to close. When it's clearly done for cinematic reasons. I've stared just watching this channel just to see his mistakes, rather than the actual content he's reviewing.
Fletcher had 2 smokestacks lmao, one of the most iconic and bad ass looking dds and it gets forgotten
17:06 the gunner would actually call out the altitude so the pilot can focus on aiming the plane you can look that up the gunner was also a navigator.
That makes sense. Pilot would be busy with his work
As a warthunder player I can contest To that, if you are too high up, the enemy anti aircraft guns will get you or an enemy fighter, however timing is crucial because if you drop your bombs too early you have a higher chance at missing your target or for them to evade, drop the bomb too late and you’ll just become a kamikaze pilot and crash, and whilst playing a video is far different than reality, the amount of flack being fired at you is terrifying.
If it was Airfield AA the Americans would have been dead in 3 seconds 😂
It’s funny that Vanguard aviation naval combat is worse than WOWs CVs I guess Warthunder and WOWs still superior ngl
@@tsuaririndoku well, being superior than Vanguard isn’t hard
@@HighDiver5555 yeah, but they have terminator manning the airfeild guns. ALL OF THEM!
@@tsuaririndoku well Vanguard is an fps with an unnecesary vehicle mission while WoW/wot is a vehicle arcade, it's obvious a Game which has vehicle fighting as it's main gameplay is going to be better
12:47 Yeah…but let’s be honest. The average player playing this mission would empty all of their rounds in the first what? 6-10 seconds of the mission, especially with how often I see gameplay of people not even bothering to lead their shots when defection shooting.
Would be a great opportunity to have carriers resupply you though so dogfights are tense
The color of the shirts represent what job that sailor has. Blue mean you move the aircraft around, Yellow is a higher ranking blue and is in charge of making sure your plane will move, Purple is in charge of fueling your plane, Red is in charge of puting the munitions on the plane. There are also Green, Brown, and White shirts but they aren't really seen in the mission
Fun fact about the “all torpedo bombers down” line: The TBs used were TBD Devastators, much slower than the SBD, but just as rugged and tough. Most aircraft had to crash into the sea from having no fuel, and whatever crews not being rescued ended up being captured by (what remained) of the Japanese fleet. Sadly, they were all executed
I totally lost it in the dogfight scene when the zeroes engaged the enterprise divebombers but in REALITY the enterprise divebombers where untouched by the zeroes during morning attack is because the zeroes are flying too low and busy shooting down other torpedo air group.
''Look im a foreigner Character, i speak english, however i'll use some words from my country of birth, because it's cool and funny specially for cursing, and because i need desperately to show the audience im a Foreigner!''
On using modern hand signals, I think it's an ongoing trend to have modern military signaling and methods bleed into WWII and even WWI media. On one hand, it might be stuck habits from military training and visual storytelling, but on the other it removes from the authenticity. Another example is modern gun handling and especially when marching with one's weapon at the ready.
It probably comes from the advisors they hire.
After this "mission" this failure you should react to the movie midway that came out in 2019 i personally believe that they did a great job portraying the battle itself with the historical details that you mentioned as well!!!
Reasonably accurate film ruined with the piss poor CGI, I mean they had a $100m budget but thats the best they could do?
The historical events were mostly accurate but the movie sucked. It tried to cram too much into the storyline, was filled with cringy, empty, braindead and cliched dialogue and in general felt very forced.
Worst war film I've ever seen
I really love that movie, I watch it all the time, and I don't really get why people keep complaining about the darn cgi it's literally not the most Bulls hit ugly disgusting computer generated imagery nothing is wrong with it, and the movie is a great enjoyable war movie
@@albay543 People complain about the CGI because they had a budget of $100m but this was the result... There are films with lesser budgets that produced more realistic and polished CGI
The aircraft carriers crew is accurate. The board is a weight board, basically reading off the gross weight of the aircraft that is taking off
11:15 if I'm not mistaken, that's actually one of the few historically accurate things here. The reason there aren't any fighter planes from VF-6, is because the launching of the aircraft from the carriers was jumbled and out of order, since the US was still learning to use their carriers effectively, so planes would fly off in different directions, and when the Dauntlesses and Devestators eventually found the Japanese fleet, they didn't have their escorts with them, which is why a large number of the planes were lost to defending Zeroes. The movie Midway did the same thing.
Oh and at 17:34 , that's isn't Soryu. That's actually Akagi, the flag ship during the attack.
From what I have seen, the interior of the Enterprise is off in terms of colouring. Everything is white, grey, yellow, red etc. The yellow "Bullseyes" were used in the 80s and are visible on the Iowas, whilst in WW2 everything was held in grey and black, with round Bullseyes in dark colours.
Also, there are closed portholes in the walls where in reality quite a bit of ship is left behind them (look at the width of the hangar above). Also the frame which they walk through should be a watertight door, not an open frame.
When we are there already, lets talk about the fact that the hatch they climbed up through doesnt exist on the Booklet of General plans, isnt watertight and is near another watertight door which cant lead anywhere since that would be the outer hull. Plus they held their briefind either in a messroom or the Officers Galley. The plans for the Yorktown are open to the public...
Overall: 2/10
Looks nice at first glance, but is a mayor headache when looking at it closer.
24:51 “Poor engineering” puts it lightly considering Kaga was a nearly finished battlecruiser hull that got converted to an aircraft carrier at the very last minute due to the Washington Naval Treaty taking effect and putting a limit on the size and number of battleships a member nation’s navy could have. Akagi had the same issue but they had an easier time as they decided to change over Akagi sooner in the construction. It’s actually kind of meme worthy though how Japan lost so many aircraft carriers to flawed design or lack of experience and training (Definitely look at the fate of IJN Taihou for a fine example of that).
Battleship. Kaga was to be the second Tosa-class BB. Originally, the Japanese had wanted to convert Akagis' sister ship (and class nameship) Amagi, but she was wrecked in drydock during the Kanto earthquake. So Kaga got shoehorned in as the replacement instead of getting scrapped or used as a target ship.
The uniform colours refer to the role that person has, its only used for certain flight deck personnel
Yellow = Flight Deck Officer, he supervises all operations on the flight deck
Red w/Black stripe = Ordnance men, Preparing and loading bombs and ammunition onto planes
Red = Firefighters
Green/Blue = Plane handlers, Guys who push planes around the hangers and flight deck to get them in position to launch, they will also signal when to launch
There are nowhere near enough crews wearing green or blue as this would be majority bulk of the flight deck crew
Note also that Hernandez should also be wearing the blue flight deck uniform given that his role as Aviation Machinist's mate naturally involves him handling the plane. In fact, he never should have been at the briefing, rather he should have been double checking the SBD they would be using.
The rear gunner calling out the altitude during the dive IS realistic. It's so that the pilot doesn't have to focus on the altimeter and can focus on hitting the target
Also one thing that
*in the game they bomb the Soryu first and after that they bomb the Kaga*
BUT
*Kaga got hit by bomb first and after Sōryū and Akagi and Hiryū in afternoon*
8:08 far has i know, yes its historically accurate he is responsible for the launch of the aircraft and also give the pilot some informations like wind etc
*I MIGHT BE WRONG TOO*
Yes, it's called a tote board. It includes aircraft weight, flap settings and boost for take off, length of take off run and so on.
The reason why the back gunner was reading the attitude because he as altimeter right behind to tell the pilot so he can just focus on diving
True.
As a realist I like how in-depth you went into it, even went as far to check for Hispanic soldiers during this time it’s crazy
The next time if I want to create a historical video game, Imma hire a historian.
I love seeing your reactions to Vanguard's missions, keep it up! I'm learning alot of new things from the videos too :)
Well well. Hello friend.
@@Soldiernith hello gamersoldierprogamer, nice seeing you here
7:30 as a former aeronautics student, I can tell you that thing Is called "artificial horizon" or "gyro horizon".
And It serves to help orieteering the pilot the position of the plane relative to the Earth horizon.
And most of all, THEY WERE NOT PRESENT IN WW2 AIRPLANES!
If they really wanted Latinos in COD they should have a made a mission dedicated to the aztec eagles
Why does he close the canopy when dive bombing. That is when it should be open since SBDs had a problem when the gunsight would fog up when diving with closed canopy.
The board the crewmember flashes has last-minute information such as direction and distance to the target. It would also have the magnetic compass heading that the ship was currently on. Apparently being on a big metal ship would mess with the compasses on board their aircraft setting them ever so slightly off alignment.
5:42
Where are the main guns on these light cruisers
as a warthunder player its never that easy to get a bead on a zero they are to fast with their twin 20 mm cannons you got to make sure they never get behind you, they know this and never stay still. And also I tested with my friend ,is it possible to shoot down the zero with a sbd? And yes it's possible ONLY when the enemy pilot doesn't have training
@@JuliaJvn_6 sorry i was typing fast when i wrote this ill fix it now
@@JuliaJvn_6 better?
@@deathkorpsofkriegguardsmen8488 yea
@@JuliaJvn_6 thnx for the correction
Love wt players speaking like they are real pilots while they play their arcade game
“Ahh yeah I forgot, this is an American game, you get a free refill for everything”
That comment earned my subscription!
Love the attention to detail in your videos!
1:55 IIRC, the initial spotting reports of the kido butai only said 2 flattops, so I think this would be accurate (even if the US would quickly realize there was 4)
@6:26, each hat means something else on a boat. Red: Ordnance or damage control/ crash crew. Purple: Fuel only. White: Safety or an officer, could be medical team if with red cross. Blue: tie down team or aircraft handlers (guys who strap down or move aircraft around the deck). Green: Mechanics and guys who handle general equipment of the flight deck. Yellow: Signals guys who direct launching or recovery (They're the ones in charge of moving aircraft). Brown: Plane captains who prep and ready planes for pilots.
10:05
The great SBD migration
7:06 the shirts were to indicate the roles for the flight deck crew, For yellow the role is for navigating aircraft, green catapult crews and cargo handling, for white its landing assistance and medical crews, purple for Fueling and blue for assistants, Red is for Handling and mounting ordnance
Hi! I’m kinda an aviation expert, especially about the sbd as I have flown one a couple times. The SBD crew would not have their canopy closed during a bomb run just in case they need to bail out 16:14. Also the cockpit layout looks very off and some of the modeling on the SBD inside and out have the wrong dimensions like the nose on a couple of them.
6:00 it’s funnel but also take it not account there superstructure and size. Some destroyers had 2 funnels and some cruisers had more.
Im confuse why the pilot closed his cockpit when his diving and not when his fighting the zeros
And if im sure sbd pilots open there cockpit when they dive
8:10 funfact it was actually the gunners job to monitor the altitude thats why the gunner is also assigned as a radio man
As far as I know there was a group of Mexican pilots the "Aztec eagles" who participated in the pacific war, being the 4 country in the Americas to send soldiers to participate in the Second World War (the first being US, 2nd Canada and the 3rd Brazil)
Yep. Escuadrón 201. But they flew P-47 and only reached the battlefield later on the war. They mainly fought on the Phillipines, if I'm not mistaken.
His reactions is more entertaining than the entire cod vanguard campaign
the ships are supposed to be close. The american employed the escorts as close AA support and torpedo nets. 1:59 due to the intelligence recieved the ameircans thought the IJN were operating their carriers in 2 different strike groups
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In 1942 aircraft carriers did not have 20 mm cannon. But in the first shot you can see that the aircraft carrier has 20 mm cannon.
Really love the facts and corrections he gives but most faults he mentions takes him to an over doing it level so fast I lost interest 😕
When he was talking about the chalk board at 8:07, the cruiser in the background had its turrets.
I Love the commentary and insight, I know I'm late but please more of these videos.
Having them not find the main fleet and have to land in the carrier, then have to follow the destroyer secretly
(I havent played but watched)
I literally screamed when I saw you uploaded
The guys on the flight deck that are color coated are air wing personnel.
Red deals with weapons and ordinance.
Purple deals with fuel.
White is safety and medical personnel
Yellow are the guys who planes dire action and when it get launched. ( I’m no air wing but I would assume the guy with the board is telling the pilots to perform test before take off.)
Brown are your guys in charge on a said plane such as maintenance and trouble shoot
Blue are your guys who handle aircraft such bringing said aircraft from let say the flight deck to the hanger bay.
Green are your cargo handler.
Correct me if im wrong
For those who are wondering most of the CBAs or Carrier Based Aircraft in the pacific had their canopies open because it was too damn hot, climate in the pacific is way different than in europe. But they have an option to close it except for dive bombers like the dauntless.
adding air conditioning will mostly likely add weight to the fighters and dive bombers and they also leave it open to bail out easily if they got shot down.
But in vanguard the character closes the canopy while diving is just stupid, it'll fog up the canopy and probably the heat producing by the engine will kill the pilot.
But historically accuracy? The campaign is just BS, dauntless never fight off a zero because of their slow speed and they're a DIVE BOMBER not a fighter.
Dude, I absolutely love your vids. It would be awesome if you did a super long vid on everything you know about WW2, like a break down of the overall time line. Again amazing job.
1:55 the thing is, sighting reports only picked up 2, leading them to search for the other 2 carriers northward in the Flight to Nowhere.
0:08 To be fair, Japan did buy a Tiger, but it was never delivered and ended up being loaned back to the germans
I don't want this to sound needy but I feel like some headphones or just earbuds could help with the in-game audio but still like the vids
On carriers your color uniform dictate your job, certain colors would be maintenance crew, pilots, etc
The different colors mean what the crew members role is on a carrier and the hat's are accurate.
14:36 That's the pilot KIA right there from that shell burst.
24:07 that is indeed the kaga and the one you said before at 18:06 was actually the zuikaku. hope that clears things up a little!
Finally a video, it was about time! :)
7:23 that’s an artificial horizon and the dauntless among many other aircrafts actually had that
Here is what was written on the board:
Pro tip, CTRL & C and CTRL & P makes your job easier and makes it looks like you did more work.
You should review Red Orchestra 2 heroes of Stalingrad’s campaign.
What ever you do, don't ever stop uploading
at 08:00 the sign says like. step 1 check engine step 2 check the ailerons step 3 check the tail
You missed that the U.S. officer sitting at the desk has an infantry sword school patch, us army airborne wings, and a specialist E4 rank patch.
Actually when the pilot said “ altitude”(or something like that) it’s because in real life the pilots can’t focus on the altitude in their side, they have to focus on diving and dishing AA at the same time, and Mateo was a backseat gunner and when diving planes CAP planes would usually not chase after them do to fear out of being hit my grid to flack, so the backseat would keep updating the Altitude to the pilot
as a guy who loves to research and study ships of multiple classes and nations, Planes arent supposed to take off with an opertional elevator that close to the runway at 5:05, also a good thing to mention that the aircraft was taking off with the comm. lines raised on the left at 18:27, which in reality you can't take off with those things raised.
Correct me if I’m wrong please
I liked the usage of pictures for comparison. Good video, hope you keep growing
5:47 destroyers also have 2 smokestacks. However destroyers don't have seaplane catapults while cruisers don't have torpedo tubes
Wow! Schindler's list portrays the battle of Midway more accurately.
This level really hurt everyone:
- Historians
- Pilots and aeronautics enthusiasts
- Warships enthusiasts
- Soldiers
- FPS players
The reason he said 2 carriers was at this point in the battle only 2 were found yet
One thing when you asked about the gunner with altitude, they also had a set of controls as well as instruments, and they would tell the pilot altitude, as the pilot was focused on keeping the plane straight/aiming. So that part is historically correct. And the dive bombers would sometimes dive in formation.
8:11 isn't that board basically giving the pilot a last minute checklist of things to do in the plane before takeoff?
Actually someone pointed out that there was no fighthers in midway cause of the confusion and in addition to it they where said to go without waiting their escorts
7:20, that is called an artificial horizon and we should be seeing the yellow lines well in the blue since the plane is angled upward while grounded.
5:54 not quite. The town class destroyer HMS Campbeltown had four funnels.
make a series analyzing Battlefield V too, you'll be amazed at how much Dice got wrong
14:08 the Japanese did have AAA guns on most of their destroyers (after the Fubuki-class IJN Ayanami), Heavy Cruiser secondaries, Battleship secondaries, and most heavily on the Carriers. Although they were not as proficient as American AAA, they were still deadly and most importantly, they still had it.
Flak is german, aa guns don't mean flak
@@spork3526 sorry, let me fix my error