SEC at 20 / REALIGNMENT ISSUES & SOLUTIONS
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This is what needs to happen. SEC gets into the two new states it wants, ESPN gets to keep the top money makers from the ACC. Win-win.
What about the Big 12 at 20? 🤔
Personally, I hate the idea of divisions. I am really excited about the SEC not having divisions this year. This way we get to actually play around the conference.
With no divisions, you INCREASE the chances of teams finishing with tied records who have various amounts of common opponents.
Say A, B, & C finish with the same record. A&B have 2 common opponents, A&C have only 1, with B&C having none. HOW are they sorted?
@@waynebennett745that’s where the human factor of it/eye test has to come into play. People don’t like that, but idc what anyone says humans know more about football and on field play than computers do. Aka, common sense.
Just do PODs already..
Conferences do not need to be getting this big. It is absolutely insane. Property realign some schools somehow fitting them into equal competition. But this is not going to end well.
You’re right it’s a mess and it may be the downfall of the conference in the long run. They will eat each other.
If it goes to 20. The pod scenario with 4 divisions is the only way to keep set rivals and regions. FSU and Clemson are SEC in their investment, history, and passion for football. So, there is no argument that can be made against that. UNC is naturally a fit with a massive brand that is clearly number 3. NC State or Va Tech are the only other 2 that truly make sense. Especially if football is the emphasis. NC State has a ceiling but high floor and great athletics overall, and heated rivalry between UNC. Va Tech with “Enter Sandman” and that environment absolutely would be a fit though.
Guess 8 conferences with 10 teams was a pipe dream. I would’ve loved it. Can’t stand the idea of fat bloated conferences
I would rather have, with primary reasons listed:
1. FSU (Florida Rivalry, History with SEC schools, Florida footprint belonging to SEC solely)
2.Clemson (SC Rivalry, History with SEC schools)
3. Oklahoma State (Bedlam)
4. Texas Tech or TCU - (Complete control of Texas footprint, natural rivalries to UT and OU)
Inevitably the SEC goes to 9 Conference games when the schedule is set for ‘26.
The fly in the ointment is A&M leaving the conference....
FSU, Miami, UNC, Virginia to the B1G. Clemson, VT, WVU, OK State to the SEC. Sorry if this disappoints you but it’ll happen💯
Would be great!
Why not Neb and Kansas to the SEC?
I don’t think the B1G would fight to keep Neb, but the brand is still strong, and going to the SEC may benefit Nebraska’s recruiting pipelines.
How about for a 20 team 9 game conference schedule use last year's standings 1-10 play against each other and same with 11-20.
As a UGA/SEC alum, if we need to go to 20 I would like to add Oklahoma State, Georgia Tech, Clemson and NC State. We in the SEC like the land-grant, ag-centric, engineering schools. It’s part of our culture.
Screw Georgia Tech, they left with their high and mighty attitude. They don't get back in. That's what happens when you burn bridges. You don't get to cross back over.
@@rjenkins66bj so you are holding a 60 -year old grudge?
@@porterosbournejr.5083 No, They are not the best option. They burned the bridge not the SEC. I would also be against letting Tulane and The University of the South (Sewanee) back in also.
Maybe someday throw in Kansas State ;)
Land grant university ^
I don’t get the love for UVA at all - just another Vanderbilt that adds nothing football wise.
Upper right southern flagship.
Ever NOT talked about NC & Va. basketball?
@@tarheel7406 yeah and Cal Berkeley is the flagship of CA and the 4th most desirable brand in that state. UVA is so unserious about football it doesn’t belong in the SEC
@@waynebennett745 agree they have a good program, but basketball is not driving these decisions. Money aka football is.
@@_Hughy_
a) CAL is at risk becoming a distant #2 rather than a co-flag, but it was P5 level and remains at least Tier 2 level. CAL is also in a declining market for college football and of no interest to the SEC. Due to USC and STANFORD, California had four P5 level schools. Texas only had two.
b) In contrast, UVA is an upper right southern flagship with a relatively high football ceiling in the future P2 SEC. The geo is material here.
Spotted the below figures lurking the USCAR message board:
From Nielsen: ACC Leaders in Media Exposure Value (Last 3 Years)
1. Duke men’s basketball ($995.0M)
2. UNC men’s basketball ($892.5M)
3. FSU football ($795.2M)
4. Clemson football ($677.1M)
How about no Divisions 9 game conference schedule 2 permanent rival games and rotating the other teams. Best 2 teams play for Championship
Nice Follow up!!
Exchange Virginia for Georgia Tech...The Cavaliers can join The Big 10 with Maryland or BIG12 with West Virginia...more natural rivals....Tech brings Atlanta along with its ancient rivalry against UGA even Bama...also way back in the day..The Ramblin Wreck was ONCE an SEC team....a more natural fit than the Cavs with a strong history under the legendary Bobby Dodd post WW2 and a shared National Title with Colorado in 1990...
Once you leave, you can’t come back…especially the way GT left. Go back and read history. GT will not be in the SEC…..and they don’t bring Atlanta. UGA and FSU mostly split that city. GT is third
Big 10 maryland was a rival west Virginia is nit there a rival of vtech
Your assumption is that conference titles are still relevant. In the age of expanded playoffs it only makes sense to scrap conference playoff games. The SEC should play without divisions. Designate one rivalry game for each school that will be played every year. Play the remaining 18 teams on a rotating basis using a ten game schedule. That way every school gets five conference home games and two non-conference home games each year.
They’re not relevant anymore. I’ve said it all off-season. And that’s too bad.
a) Not material in my view, but I think it was a UNC BOT member that stated that UNC must leave for peer revenue not the AD.
b) Where is FSU and CLEMSON going if they are the only 2 leaving?
c) Ignoring non-football considerations, relative value, etc. makes this "what if" rather useless in the real world.
The first thing to do is scratch that stupid mirror image 2025 schedule. It sucks.
I, personally, believe a huge change is coming in 26, so they slapped a schedule together together for 24 & figured the easiest thing would be reuse it & flip sites for 25. Starting in 26, a new rotation will be announced.
Why else did they can UGA @ TA&M but always complained about it never happening?
Also move to 10 sec games
Today is officially the first day that Texas and Oklahoma are a part of the SEC! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Obviously FSU & Clemson will leave but if any other teams are up for grabs I’d imagine they’d be: UNC, NCSU, Miami, VT, UVA, & GT
To where is CLEMSON going if FSU is the only other leaving?
Miami and GT aren’t candidates for the SEC. I still see a world where Clemson end up in a package deal with Kansas, UNC, and UVA to SEC.
Your 4 divisions of 5 teams & 9 conf. games needs reworking.
Why?
You say 4 division opponents & then rotate the other 5 amongst everybody else.
WHAT does Tennessee do?
4 games - East Division opponents
Vandy - SE Division (perm. rival)
Alabama - Central Division (perm. rival)
Right there, you've eliminated 2 spots ANNUALLY from their rotation.
Alabama (1)...Tenn. (East Div.)
Georgia (1)...Aub. (Central Div.)
Auburn (1)...Georgia (SE Div.)
So...what is a FAIR & balanced format where EVERBODY completes a rotation the same year?
I thought the SEC did away with divisions?
The SEC did, some fans just can’t let go.
I'd love this.
College AFC vs NFC
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Kansas and West Virginia would be the best picks for the SEC long-term. The worst would be FSU and Clemson. Later on add Oklahoma State [bring "Bedlam" back] at that point you just look at whomever is out there and take your pick.
No Lawrence
No Redlegs
No damn Beakers .
Welcome back Boomer.
Mean that, sincerely.
Looking forward to renewing the series.
See you all in Columbia this Fall.
I agree with the four divisions with 20 teams
SEC should just go to pods and have the 1st 4 team conference playoff. That has to be worth some money right???
WHY would you have a conf. p/o just to go into ANOTHER p/o?
@@waynebennett745The same reason we had realignment in the first place….Money.
@@justinr658 So, nothing about the toll it takes on these athletes just so you're entertained?
I'll be entertained if it stays as is. 18 to 20 teams with only 2 spots to determine a conference champion. You pretty much have the same problem you had with the 4 team CFP but at the conference level. As far as the toll on athletes, sad to say the cat is out of the bag with USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington joining the B1G while Cal and Stanford joining the ACC.
How can you put FSU in every conference lol
You’re obviously not listening.
9 conference games 🥵🫠😅
Yes no divisions are needed
For bigger sized conferences & ease of scheduling, divisions or pods must be used (or else people will claim favoritism in scheduling).
FBS should go to 13 games. With 20 teams, SEC should go to 10 conference games. Break into 4 - 5 team divisions. Play 3 teams in the division, 2 teams in each of the 3 other divisions and 1 permanent cross rival. Winners of each division would be guaranteed a CFP slot. Play a conference semi-final games. Then conference title game. Conference winner gets a first week bye in CFP. Runner up gets a first week home game.
TOO many games & HOW are you sorting teams to KEEP rivalries along with balanced rotation.
Then having a conf. p/o that goes into ANOTHER p/o?
@@waynebennett745 the fact that top conferences are going to be be paying players from their athletic budgets IMO means they will be looking for more revenue. Additional games means more gate & media revenue to cover the added expenses. I would not be surprised if the conferences further monetize spring game setup by asking and additional spring game, this time for a game against another team FCS teams using the excuse that they need the game for revenue and incorporate portal transfers. FCS schools are happy to get the game that won’t count against their regular season records, help them keep FBS game revenue going as FBS teams eliminate regular season games with expanded conference schedules. All about the Benjamins.
So, FSU just forgives the SEC and espn for what they just did to them last season?
We don’t want FSU
@@lpslover8627 precisely. Holding a grudge will get them left behind
I will prolly get hate for this but I'd love the SEC and Big Ten to both expand to 20 teams and split from the rest and create their own league with them as the two conferences (like AFC and NFC). Then gimme a 14 game regular season with 11 conference games with a 3-8-8 scheduling model. No divisions, 3 protections, and everybody plays everybody over a 2 year span. 1 non con game against a cupcake, and 2 non con games against teams in the other conference that finished around where you finished the previous season like the NFL does it.
Don't have a singular conference title game and instead have an NFL style playoffs with 14 teams qualifying. 7 from each conference with the #1 seed in each conference after the regular season getting a bye. You play through the playoff bracket with postseason games hosted by the higher seed. The conference title games are basically NFC/AFC title games. U can have those in Indy or in Atlanta if you want. Then the champions of those conferences play in the natty (Superbowl) to end the year. The winner is crowned the national champion
This model gets rid of a subjective committee and subjective rankings, takes scheduling out of the hands of the schools, balances schedules every season to make sure the best teams are playing each other consistently, and maintains the purity of CFB rivalries while also having the chance to create new ones.
Is 20 each a deep and wide enough consolidation to maintain national interest and legitimacy? Especially since the +6 to get to 40 total would most likely be ND + just ACC schools?
I maintain ~24 each is necessary assuming no kicks.
This is coming….one way or another.
You would lose 2/3s of the veiwers
@@wvgolfnut1 no you are not. If you took the top 40-50 national brands, you would secure 2/3 of the viewers and with new paid streaming it could be higher. The tier 2 and G5 aren’t generating what they like to think. Especially when it is known that these team really aren’t competing for a NC.
@@tarheel7406 I hear you, but I think 20 IS deep enough. The +6 I assume would be Notre Dame, Miami, Florida State, and Clemson as locks and in my mind I had UNC and Duke as the other two (that can be debated idrc). In the new 40 team model, every national champ since 1991 would be a member of the new SEC/B1G. Also since the national title game became a thing in 1998, the only participant to not be a part of the new SEC/B1G would be 2022 TCU. And they set records in their margin of defeat.
The best of the best in the country have always come from amongst that new SEC/B1G field so i don't think you need to dilute the conferences more by getting up to 48 teams just for the sake of it. Since those teams provide the best quality, and 40 teams is still a lot imo (the big 4 pro leagues in the US all have 30-32 teams) I believe it will still provide national interest and legitimacy.
No.
Hell No
SEC NEEDS TO ADD TEXAS TECH AND BAYLOR AND OKLAHOMA STATE AND TCU.
Definitely OSU and Texas Tech.. TCU would be cool too, Baylor is slipping back to their ways of old as bottom feeders, plus they're way too close to Austin.
Add UNC, Virginia, Clemson, Notre Dame, FSU bitched out of going to the SEC… I see them going to Big 12
As things stand: UVA, UNC, CLEMONS + either DUKE or KANSAS.
I agree that FSU is no longer of any SEC interest due to its scorched earth tactics. Would likely require UNC demanding as a +1, and that is not going to happen and it may not be acceptble anyway.
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