ZT Reaver Cleaver vs. Condor Dadao - Conclusion after the Testing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
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Reaver Cleaver
Overall length: 79 cm (31'')
Blade length: 46 cm (18'')
Thickness: 5 mm (1/5'')
Weight: 1.7 kg (3 lbs 12 oz)
Dadao
Overall length: 81 cm (32'')
Blade length:50.5 cm (20'')
Thickness: 5 mm (1/5'')
Weight: 1.45 kg (3.2 lbs)
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It's insane how good the Condor dadao is when you realize it can even compete with the Reaver Clever in performance
I bought the Dadao which came to about $210 Australian including shipping. Still love it. Having a bit of a hard time keeping it sharp as this is my first blade and I dont have any proper sharpening tools yet.
Still I can speak for the Dadao, I love it
I really enjoyed this. Seeing the comparison between the two removed one of the big worries I had with my dadao namely that if i just waited a bit longer I could have gotten the reaver clever instead. I hope you do more of these chop offs in the future.
Did you also shoot at the Dadao?
Kevin Van Dal the convex grind would handle the bullet better
Ulfric Stormcloak
He shot the Reaver Cleaver on the flat, not the edge.
As a collector of Condor knives the first thing I do when I get one, is have it resharpened, to get rid of the "appleseed" edge. Also with the wood scale handles it is easy to shape them to your grip fit, also wrapping them with Hockey stick or Tennis Racket handle tape provides a much better grip. I suppose you could do the handle wrap with leather also.
Excellent comparison. I picked up the dadao for a friend (just finished and posted the review on Monday) and agree with you. Thanks again!
both great blades personally like the reaver cleaver more due to its looks. i also enjoyed the testing video. thanks for sharing your input on these two swords skallagrim.
I was most curious as to mass difference and weight balance from grip between the two blades. Thanks for addressing that in this video.
With some time and creativity some "flaws" of the Dadao like the edge geometry and the balance could probably be fixed. Nice.
Changing the balance would take a lot of time if you want to do it properly. However the edge geometry or the shape of the handle would mainly take some patience to redo.
One thing I was thinking that would probably help would be grind some steel off the spine near the tip to reduce the flair and basically make it a seax type point which would also give it a better ability to stab plus change the edge angle and I bet it’d be an awesome sword that would still be able to cut well. The handle shape could be changed pretty easily then wrapped in some leather or something as well.
Who do I have to kill to get these drops?
Maybe if you send them a video of you killing 100 zombies, Zombie Tools will give it to you as a quest reward.
rumor has it if you destroy the reaver cleaver with a bullet it drops a second, better reaver cleaver
zedx50 but don't shoot the second cleaver, it will just break!
Nusm4 you get it in a quest where you use it to cut through an entire stack of Katanas. It also comes with 50 gold and a Skallagrim tabard.
Demitrium In order for the throwable pommel attachment, another quest is required though.
I have a Condor Dadao, the pommel is very rough and sharp, and the tang stuck out slightly from the wood handle and is also rough. I had to sand it quite a bit to make it feel nice.
I've found very similar "complaints" on the condors I own as well. Most need the edge re-angled(?) and the handles are pretty basic. That being said, for their price they make for a great modification platform. I'm cheap and don't mind putting in the extra work but I can see where others may be turned off. But man, some day I'll own something for Zombie Tools for sure!
It's really refreshing to see a reviewer that doesn't just assume that cheep price equals garbage.
Will you be dual wielding these against Lloyd? Idk how it will work against his new armor.
Thrax Hunter I get the reference, my painting sword!
Question is, can the dadao take a rifle shot and live?
It's not alive in the first place, which makes your question invalid.
.22 yes.
Cuttle Fish Fine, take a rifle shot and still be intact, the Cleaver failed the rifle test
Tria Maxwell Dadao was once used by the Chinese military.
@@angsern8455 they called also "Katans killer"
I love my Reaver, its my favorite blade. Used it as a rough butchery blade for splitting a steer I bought. Its a killer.
The reaver cleaver is an evolved Dadao. The Reaver Cleaver has a much better handle and is probably of much better steel. The Dadao is a "weapon of the masses". Historically they were made quickly of questionable steels, with simple leather or cloth sheaths. There is a school of fighting that was codified before the Second World War to train the most number of recruits to effectively use the Dadao. While they may not have been as skilled or graceful as the Japanese with their military issue,poorly balanced Katana, the Chinese did indeed fight well with their jumble of mixed firearms and their Dadao. Chinese armed with Broomhandles and Dadao swords made the first defeat of Japanese forces in and around a bridge in a daring night attack. I agree the Reaver Cleaver looks nice but I will take the Dadao and try to make a scabbard for it.
I believe that the Condor Dadao comes with a sheath, the only thing is that the sheath doesn't have a belt loop on it, so you'd to either rig one of your own or wear it on a medieval or Ren styl sword hanger or in a baldric.
Well done review!
nice review.
have been considering getting one of the zombie tools... can't quite decide between the D'captain, the revear cleaver, the kracken, the vakra and the traumahawk... may just end up getting them all...
I've found a way you could wrap the dadao rather securely using the guard, that might help keep the grip from shocking the hand so much.
Good demo and comparison, thumbs up =)
Nice vid Skallagrim, well enunciating the differences of the blades. ....you/they can still Pommel/hilt-butt whip with it if there are no detatchable Pommel(s) - i.e; give them a Pommelling (no no, not the inuendo version....)
Awesome blades dude.
Duh.. You didn't shoot them with a rocket launcher so the test is quite incomplete!
Great review and conclusion, Skallagrim. Could you include your notes on weather these types are traditional, semi-traditional, or non-traditional in terms of aesthetics in future conclusions? The Condor looks semi-traditional, while the ZT look non-traditional.
Perhaps your own opinion on mods to improve certain models? Thanks again and keep up the fine work!
thanks for the review
If I'm not wrong, the reaver cleaver was also inspired by the Chinese War Sword (Dadao),
so they're basically variants of the same class of sword (?)
Damn i love the "no bullet" mark on the reaver cleaver.
So many good memories...so many meme....
Great video as usual!
Have you tried the Patton sword from Windlass and the British 1908 Pattern? I would love to see a review from you on those swords.
love the blades! that reaver cleaver is a hard act to follow. that thing is awesome!
I really would like to get a condor dadao, definitely great value for the money, unless the cold steel version goes down substantially in price, i love the big choppy blades.
very cool stuff thanks for the great video and cheers
I found another good-looking and affordable chopper by Condor called the Simbad Scimitar. Not sure why they spell it like that but it's pretty nice from what I can tell. Maybe you could take a look at that sometime as an affordable option. It's only $90 on Amazon.
I take it, when dual wielded, that these cleavers would be a good choice for playing fruit ninja?
When dual-wielded, you dont chop the fruit, you chop the whole tree.
Tree ninja. It's the Japanese version of caber-tossing.
+Rajah Singhapala I know - that's what I was referencing. An idiot narcissist with millions of subscribers, all with dull lives.
NigaHiga did it but I believe he used a katana, idk its been a while XD
ive learned a lot from your videos bro!
Great video. Thank you.
Too bad neither has a screwable pommel
neither has the power to end them rightly
You could get a pommel and put it on a lanyard and then clip it on the ring pommel.
The Beastmen Warlord just carry a pommel around in your pocket. for use later. that way you can just skip the time of unscrewing it. ending him rightly that much faster.
You just don't get it, do you? The unscrewing of the pommel is what powers it up, it's like when a character in some sort of old-ish horribly popular action anime yells at the top of their lungs in order to power up.
What? The pommel is just a hole. That, by default, means it is screwable.
Reaver cleaver strikes me as a very practical blade.
Same, I'm generally not into the whole "modern tactical" type of sword but this thing seems well-made, practical, comfortable, and has a really cool look. I like it!
MockRock - Smash Bros and More ... Its not "modern tactical". Neither one is. Both are based on ancient weapons. Clearly not " tactical-cool" either.
Brian Mccann Whatever, "fake apocalypse" works too. It's clearly a modern take on a bladed weapon design.
Chinese War Sword. Aka ... Dadao
I'd say it looks like a butchers knife adapted into a sword
Good eval, thanks.
If I could only afford the Dadao, I'd shape the wood and wrap it. As it is, I'll save my pennies for the Zombie Tool -- it's been the gold standard for some time now.
so, for those of us on a budget--if we're willing to spend some time on the Condor dadao with a Lansky kit re-profiling the edge, that may help the dadao perform a bit better, yes?
I'm wondering how feasible it would be to drill the rivets holding the handles, rework the handle with sandpaper to get the right shape, and then reattach them with something like the hex nuts on my ESEE-4or screw/sleeve nuts...thoughts?
Did the ancient Mycenaeans have a large-round center-grip shields?
Skall, would you mind do more videos on sabers, mainly "polish saber"? it is quite a fascinating sword and i would like to hear your opinions on it
How would you compare maces to battle axes in terms of pros and cons, and practicality?
Why does the reaver cleaver have the cutout on the blade? Is it aesthetic? Is it to reduce the weight or improve balance?
I wonder if some tennis racket or hockey stick rubber grip tape would make the Dadao more comfortable?
so in theory if one were to shape the handle on the condor it would be the winner? perhaps also wrap the handle as well?
Well which one would win when it comes to the Dacian Falx and the Messer.
Would you consider spending some time refining the Dadao's edge then retesting them?
how many cameras do you think he cut in his videos?
you ever going to demo the miller bros blades??
could you change the handle of the dadao
there is a Chinese sword that looks similar to these would you recommend it
Wich type of sword is the reaver cleaver cause its like a short sword with a long handle
I think it would be entertaining if you did videos about the history of some swords. An example, where did the Dadao originate from, who used it, etc.
The dadao is a hand-and-a-half-handed chinese war sword used by infantry
What weapon, overall, would you choose if you could only carry one sword size weapon? I love my cleaver. (I mean all same size blades weapons).
What's the title to the ending music? I NEED DA LINKS TO MAI MUSICS!
Skall, I was wondering if you've made a Prison Weapon "Would it be practical" video or does it seem like something you'd be intrested in?
Skallagrim, I know they are expensive but do you think you will ever get an Albion Duke or similar because I would love to see a good review before I consider buying one.
I could probably put a good edge on the dadao pretty easily, my late uncle taught me how to sharpen blades many years ago, i still do it with blades today
Skalligram, have you seen Terry Shappert Warriors series with the Spartans, did you notice something odd about it.
Which Dadao would you consider the best quality? Condor, Windlass, or Cold Steel? I know CS has a rep for loose fittings, but the dadao doesn't really have any, it's a solid piece with a handle riveted on.
Could one wrap the wooden handle, or would that make the handle to thick to grip?
I'd probably sand the edges off anyways, that would thin it a bit.
That's what I was thinking. Sand down the edges and the flat part, then wrap it with something like leather to help give it a better grip. You could probably add some thin cord to handle before wrapping to help give it an even better grip too.
You guys might have to re-peen the rivets on the handle, but yeah, it should work fine.
So I'm not the only one who thought: wrap the handle and grind the blade
Erik Blackboar I think that would depend on just how much of the flat side of the grip you sand down. You could probably, easily, get away with sanding it down slightly and creating subtle ridges around where the rivets are.
With you grind down the handle and rap the Dadao?
If that reaver cleaver had a bit more of a crossguard it would be so amazing
Skall, could the Dadao withstand a 22 lr bullet shot ?
Easily. .22's don't require terribly thick steel to be stopped.
Well it's the only durability you didn't try. it was a 7.62MM that broke your first cleaver.
But was it a 22 lr or a .45 acp that said clever did withstand ?
What about 7.62×39? :)
It the russian version of 7.62mm (.308 W or 30-08 for you yanks) the powder charge and bullet weight are roughtly the same.It would break the dadao just like it did with the old Cleaver
try shooting it with what you shot your first reaver cleaver :P
also, is there any chance of you wanting to sell your broken reaver cleaver? do you still have it?
what do those cost in dollariedoos?
What is your outro music?
With most everything Condor manufactures its relatively easy to improve if one is willing to mod it. I have 8 various Condor products all but one have been modded. With their stuff the price point is usually good, good enough where you won't have any qualms about modding it.
I'd buy the Condor and reprofile the grind, sand the wooden handles and maybe even grind away the width of the tang a little, oil the wood, and then finally wrap the handle and give it a new edge. I enjoy doing that kind of work so I wouldn't mind.
Damn I want that reaver cleaver so much only the thing is that at least with my research it can't be bought with euros so what ever. It's fun enough to watch you do it properly :)
paypal?
rat488 no
JodexStar Go to www.lamnia.com. Finnish website, they sell it in Europe. Reliable, but expensive.
I bet that if you mail them and ask you'll find a solution. They seem pretty chill.
George Polyzoidis oh that's nice I live in Finland :D
So in your testing you were comparing a sharp blade to a dull one? If that is correct then it kinda mitigates the results of the testing.
If it's more durable and takes longer to grind an edge that makes me think it's made of harder steel. It probably holds an edge longer as well I'm willing to bet.
thank you..think ill but the condor..based on price..and use it will get from me.
Greetings from Eastern NC
When are you going to announce the winner of your giveaway?
Skallagrim Was watching a Viking documentary and realised where your name came from
I love all your videos, but the time/content ratio on this one seemed just a little higher than usual.
the dadao has a convex grind vs the reaver cleaver which has a high saber grind.
Any cheaper alternatives? :D I mean, the Dadao is a lot cheaper, so - is there a good weapon with the price in between?
The zombie one looks so much like the heavy elvish sword from LotR that its giving me nostalgia. Jesus christ were the movies good. The scene where a row of elvish soldier slash in a wave fashion at the enemie comes to mind as a bad ass scene.
Hey Skall How Hard would you say the Condor is ? The reaver is about 55Hrc Just wonder because I wanna make a sword
that's about what I expected from watching the last video.
Nice blades i buy one to add to my collection
all hail Zombie tools !!! they are my favorite sword/knifes makers. I would choose any of their blades over almost any other comp. just for pure durability ,Aesthetics , utilitarian design, in the bang for your buck there price point for what you get is out of this world !! they hit on all categories I'm trying to save up for some of their larger bladesI'm not sure which one I'm going to get yet but it doesn't matter they are all extremely bad ass
Get the spit I have the reaver cleaver and it's heavy I have the spit and the reaper 3 on my list
Hey Skallagrim I love Axes I'm just curious is the Cleaver and Hatchet part of the axe family?
Maybe you can make your own handle for the dadao
I have the reaver cleaver and it is a bad ass blade
That sounds about right.
Can you please do a review of The Kraken from zombie tools? (battleaxe) :D
I still really want my own Reaver Kleaver.
I bought a Cold Steel Chinese War Sword for $25.00! It chops, hacks and has performed perfect!
Dadao has a lot of different kinds, some of them do have longer handle and feel more balanced.
@Skallagrim, you mentioned that you would need a lot more grinding for the Dadao to match the sharpness of the Reaver Cleaver; would you say that upon doing so the durability advantage that the shape of the Dadao edge has will be negated at that point?
(note: what I got from your explanation is that the shape was made for durability, though I'm not sure whether I am now falsely assuming that you meant that the Dadao is more durable(though both look pretty sturdy) than the Reaver Cleaver, so if that's wrong please correct me! :D )
I didn't notice any difference after the tests, but in theory the thicker edge of the Dadao should be more durable. The edge of the Reaver Cleaver is quite sturdy too though, so I prefer to have the extra sharpness.
ah yes that makes sense, thank you for your quick reply!
I guess for me personally I would go for the extra sharpness as well in that case
I would call Reaver Cleaver a variation on the Dadao
Reminds me of the Painting Guarding sword from Darksouls.
the bottoms of the handles look like they could be turned into bottle openers for brews!
Where's the beard knot? :(
For the money I can do a lot of work grinding on that the doll thing help I could buy a brand new grinder plus the sword
Who ended up winning the devil's edge?
So I went to their site... I was going to buy the reaver but you know... the T-Rex was just the better option. The shipping price wasn't too bad to get him to Poland either.
Historical accuracy: Condor Dadao. Performance: Reaver Cleaver