Tim has been a big fan of the P365 line long before any partnerships came into play. Our goal is always to feature gear we genuinely trust and use. Whether partnered or not, Tim will always stand by equipment that works best for him in the field.
@@EuropaChronicles by your standards your probably gonna wanna stop taking advice from people who work at gun stores too. Most firearms manufacturers have programs that incentivize selling more of their products Springfield had one of the best when I was selling guns I ended up getting 2 AR's, a Hellcat, and a 1911 all completely free because of all the Springfields I sold during the riots and the pandemic not to mention Vortex optics on everything I own Sig has a similar program and Ruger did too. My point being that regardless where in the firearms industry you work or at what level more often than not "Unbiased" doesn't really exist.
@@jollythesmith6568 lol, I don’t take advice from people who work at gun stores. They aren’t shooters, they’re salesmen. Btw, I don’t have a problem with partnerships, I have a problem when massive influencers like Tim Kennedy aren’t honest about the fact that they’re being paid to push a certain product. It’s highly unethical behavior.
he’s purely talking about ammo here the gun isn’t really the point, he mentions glock and other brands toward the end, this is about terminal ballistic performance and 9mm have more and better options as it has been around over 100 years and thus a multitude of good loadings and projectiles have been created for it
"More bad guys are wearing armor, so i moved TO a gun and ammo that will never penetrate armor" seems like a weird angle. perhaps i misunderstood. sounded a bit off the cuff.
If your 9mm isnt penetrating an armor you're probably using a shitty cartridge or using hollowpoints that are hyper focused on expansion. Get hollowpoints that have more griz and penetration, you can get through body armor with a JHP 9mm that is more sided towards griz than 100% expansion. This is a result of cartridge reviewers hyper obsessing over expansion.
@@John_439 go to small ma and pop military surplus stores, idk how it is where you live but here I got one that definitely carries some good shit lmao cash only and hand written receipts. But it's well worth it
I asked my genius gunsmith about this. He is a combat veteran with a science college degree. "I carry a 9 because its ballistic performance is similar to 5.7 and we cannot have AP 57 ammo anyway"
9mm actually expands more than 5.7 which is known for over penetrating people same as 556. 5.7 is literally just a pistol version of 556 with all the cons and none of the pros of a rifle round 5.7 AP can’t be purchased by civilians so that’s kinda useless, and 5.7’s true time to shine would be in a full auto PDW as it has almost no recoil so you can really control it It makes zero sense for a pistol
Wow, there are a lot of people who do not understand that a person carry’s what they think at the time is best for their situation. I am trying to instill in my sons to carry everyday and carry what works with what you are wearing and what you are doing. Thanks Tim for fighting the good fight and helping to keep people safe and free.
I think everyone looks over the fact 5.7 has many different round types for many different applications,they make a critical defense option sub sonic options and ap options with that being said more and more ppl are coming to edc/ccw 5.7 more often now and ballistics match a 9mm +hp rounds more than they do a 22
@@darrellterry8121 yeah ppl should definitely do their own research or just dive into the 5.7 world instead of trying to keep up with the hate trend that started with their favorite gun tuber
I grew up on a Beretta 96fs so I’ve always had a fondness for double actions with de cockers, in 2019 got a job selling guns in the PDX area (boy did I pick a terrible time to get into it) but there I was introduced to CZ and fell in love with a CZ 75 PCR it’s 9mm, double stacked, compact, reliable, and I’ve never had any issues with accuracy. My current goal is to get it cut for an optic and join the rest of the modern world but until then I practice with the nite sights. If I’m wearing sweatpants or something like that though I pack a S&W 360PD everybody hates on wheel guns but I can carry it in gym shorts without printing and despite its low capacity I keep it packed with full spice 158 grain hollow points so the hope is I won’t need too many follow up shots.
@@TDub777 If you don't say why, people like me who are new will have to assume you are either being dramatic, exaggerating, or lying. The 2a community is not a cult.
@@Ryan-xq3kltrust me it is a cult. It’s kind of like car guys. They think they know everything about everything. I like guns and I like gun content. But there’s definitely a lot of arrogance in this space
@@Ryan-xq3klif they aren’t a cult are they adults that don’t need others to hold their hands? they should probably do some research on the people the listen to. Especially when they see people making very easily verifiable claims.
I would run an optic unfortunately I have astigmatism (1/3 of the population has it), but don't I don't need glasses so I just have to use open sights. I don't see one dot I see 10-20 dots depending on the optic. Funny thing is the more expensive the optic the worse it is. Thankfully micro prisms exist for long guns those have been awesome. Whoever comes out with a prism style pistol optic is going to make a whole bunch of money.
@hartsickdisciple No doubt, but the only difference is that .45 is typically on the slower side, and with the defenders, it's drastically improved with velocity.
they have the 80gr +p 9mm now, no one has tested it on yt, but i bet it would be hanging with the ss190, but the fortscott would have better terminal performance, the ss190 was not designed for terminal performance ss192 or elite ammunition rounds are better for that.
Interesting, i have seen you since you got Q & S and into your 1st team and over the years you have improved a lot. Much to learn and mature but as i was told in my 20's "to be old and wise we must be young and dumb " and it sure 40 yrs later i see how true this quotwas for me....keep the good work dude. Anything, anytime, anyplace........the impossible, give me a minute
6 shot .38 snubby because it truly goes with me everywhere easily, and I don't have to dress around it. Bet there's a bunch here that don't think that's enough but don't carry everywhere because what they think is enough doesn't work everywhere!!!! I also have all the HC tacticool stuff but even the smallest of them, the G26, gets cumbersome.
One of those things that while it might not be recommended if there’s better options, it’s 1000% better than no weapon at all. If you can afford the ammo prices to train with 38 more power to you!
@ Facts, but I have been shooting revolvers for 35 years, so the training is done. I shoot it every week first before I shoot whatever I take with me, which is usually a HC tacticool piece that I waste 250 rounds on lol
*You’re. I don’t know if you know this, but depending on environmental restrictions and target movement sometimes you have to take the shot you have available.
It would be next to useless against a bear . Maybe just maybe a mountain lion . 10 MM is the 9MM of the woods . 9MM stops 2 legged predators 10MM stops 4 legged predators.
People have taken bears down with a 9mm. Capacity, shot placement, and ammo choice are 3 major things that matter. That 5.7 does not have what it takes. When it can't blow a cinder block apart in 9 rounds, but the 9 can do it in 3, that should tell you something. The 5.7 is expensive for what little you get from it. Abandon it at all costs for self defense.
Not a fan of 5.7 for EDC. If you're looking for barrier blind / soft armor penetration, check out the G9 defense external hollow point ammo. Will defeat soft armor and leaves a sick wound cavity using good old physics. When that sucker hits soft tissue it dumps energy into it.
Seems like a bad shout, honestly. For a carry piece, chances are you're not going up against prepared criminals with body armory. 5.7 blacks are going to sail through an unarmored opfor. For the home defense, sure maybe, but for carry on potentially crowded streets, seems like a bad option. GRANTED! i have VERY little experience with 5.7, i'm purely going off the public date on this. it's ENTIERLY possible that my understanding of 5.7ap is wrong full stop.
@Bodhimedic9080 You just gotta search. It's out there. Also there's Custom Loads Like E.A 5.7 ammo aswell. But the Black Tip is Out There So is Green Tip Which can go through 3A
Avoid the 5.7. Ballistics do not prove this caliber worthy. Watch tests against a 9mm on a cinder block. It's just not gonna effectively replace a 9mm and that's a lot for me to say when 185 grain hollow points are available for a 45. Overall, the 45 still beats the 9 at the end pf the day. I choose o for lighter weight, less recoil, capacity, and ease of returned dead center shot placement, and overall ammo availability.
I enjoy his take. Everyone should carry what they are most confident and proficient with under stress. I have carried Sig, Glock, and Springfield, but unfortunately they don’t pay me! And don’t forget to train, train, and train some more.
Hi Sir. What your take on CZP09 carry weapon. In South Africa, you have right own one self defense weapons ( section 13) up to 6 months for Gun license. I am in amazed to see what you teaching and training. God bless and for all the great you tubes shows
Gabriel Suarez - SUAREZ TACTICS ...is a great fan of CZ... Do you have Bulgarian Arsenal (Kazanluk) Kalashnikov rifles, as well as Arcus 94 pistols ove in SA...
@@CheetoDust365 I didn't tell anyone what to carry. I'm just saying I've seen people put far too much faith into some expensive optic when oftentimes they never prop learned to shoot with iron sights.
Why would you leave anything available on the table when you're talking about personal defense? Surely one would want every advantage available, regardless of skill.
Would like to a comparison of 30 super carry vs 5.7 vs a non body armor wearing situation. If its a body wearing situation than of course you need 5.56 . The reason i am interested in 30 super carry is that it is a tweener between 380 ACP and 9MM . You could make a micro compact and it will hopefully deliver more penetration and expansion than a 380 acp and less perceived recoil than a 9 mm .
For most in Texas the Armor Piercing ammunition would be a prohibited weapon according to Texas Penal Code 46.05 (2) unless they are LE or have it coincidental to a military or agency function. SDR/Tim has a Type 02/07 FFL so can have some stuff people outside of the industry can't have but check your local laws before you go out and pay $399 for a box of 50 SS190 rounds (which is the current rate on the open market).
I actually Started Converting All My Hand Guns Over The 9mm, my Reason Is For Ammo Cost, Availability, Average Ballistics, But The Main Reason is Being able to have plenty of Ammo at My Fingertips To Use that is Absolutely 100 % Interchangeable With Every Weapon That Would be Utilized In a Nasty Situation. So Getting To The Optic and Light, I have Used Both For many Years now, I Run The Stream lights TL-8AG Because the Green Laser distance and Clarity.
Why do people grab the optic to rack the slide. That creates wear and tear. I know it’s “built for that” but don’t you want it to last, and work when it needs to?
Crazy. I have that FN MK3 in FDE sitting around my house collecting dust right now with my FN PS90 SBR (Form-1). I added the threaded extended barrel Jarvis makes on the MK3 pistol and literally never shot it after swapping. Both of my FN’s are novelty guns though. Fun to collect, but not really practical unless I’m at the range with SS190’s (black tips) messing around with steel.
I love how there are so many presumptuous comments on this post. Dafuc is wrong with you people? Are you that insignificant that you have nothing better to do than troll? Disagreement with someone on their input is one thing, to just blatantly tell them you know more of why than they are saying, dude, that's just kindergarten. Now to answer the question presented; I carried .40 a large portion of my career (once I was allowed to toss my M9 aside) and inherently chose that as my primary concealed round for years, but switched back to 9mmm about 4 years ago. I also carry the 365 Legion or VP9SK, depending on my mood and activities. I will say to carry a 5.7 never would have entered my mind.
i always wanted a 5.7 until i watched a bunch of ballistic testing with different 5.7 rounds. Theyre really unimpressive. They make 9mm bullets now that come close to the same speeds and leave a bigger wound channel. 9mm is just the all around king for handguns i.m.o.
From what I've saw 5.7 doesn't defeat body armor and I think it was like IIIA also I don't know if I'd trust my life on a sig theyre just iffy discharging when un-commanded frames snapping in half idk sigs Qc used to be good back in the day not now
I was carrying a full size M&p 2.p 4inch barrel. I went down to the p365 standard with 12 plus 1 and smith & wesson shield plus with 13 plus 1, and much more enjoyable to carry on my 5 feet 10 inches rall, 182lb frame
@@digitalpunk5365 wait seriously? I thought any AP hand gun ammo was banned? They almost banned 5.7 outright a while back because of its generally high punch through rate even without the AP ammo
So you carry a cartridge that cant defeat a FBI gel test but in the off chance you come across cartel wearing a vest your amour defeating rounds will come in handy. Kool story. 😂😂😂
There's no federal restrictions on 5.7 i don't think. Places like CA might not have a 5.7 on the roster, though. The black tip ammo though, less sure about.
Didn’t that Fort Hood shooter that killed all those guys on base use a 5.7 ?? If I remember correctly it had a HELL OF A MORTALITY rate. Even on base with combat experienced medics. Hmm that’s a tough argument
Love it. I'd really like to carry a 5.7 caliber piece if someone made a fricking sub compact model. I'm manlet size so carrying a duty size pistol ain't gonna work that well. But I've thought for a while a 5.7 would be a great carry option.
The SS190 is not a proper civilian ammo. It over penetrates unless meeting armor, by all of the data and videos I've seen. The 9mm might be putting more mass into your target, but there again you are using specialize ammo. A 9mm isn't going through body armor. Your argument is not logical since the way you started it off was stating "the bad guys wearing body armor." Unless you are using an AP round in the 9mm, it isn't going through. Then that's illegal once again, unless you hold a special license or Federal permit to do so. Shot placement was always a key in your videos, I've watched. The 57 allows better shot placement, follow up, and less recoil. It also provides a cartridge where the SS197 dumps all its energy into the target and, by tests I've seen on YT and from other reports on the 57 during shootings, does not, in 90% of cases, over penetrate the target. A 9mm that doesn't expand almost always over penetrates. The 57 round will also lose a lot of power when penetrating home walls. A 9mm will not. It will continue through the entire structure unless hitting something substantial to stop it. Again, unless there is something you are not revealing, your entire argument for the switch is illogical. I do however respect your views and your own opinions. Enough said. Take Care and Stay Safe.
Liberty ammo penetrate 9 out 10 soft bodyarmor I tested on,(7 of the 3a, and 3 were level 2.) OH also 2 aggressive dogs. 1 coyote. 1 200lbs feral hog.. 9mm 50gr, 40cal 60gr and 45acp 75 gr
Dam Tim K. I finally found your channel. Hope ypu are well, God Bless you and your family and ALL of us . Thank You For My FREEDOM my friend My Brother in God Above. Amen. ✌️ Peace from Big Jim New Hampshire USA aka Boston Strong
Any armor peircing ammo carried in a handgun is illegal. Now there are going to be people argue with me, but go look up 18 USC 921 (a)(17)(B). Specifically related to handguns, not green/black tip for rifles. I would never carry AP rounds in pistol. Just practice pelvic and head shot to counter body armor.
Thats only technically true, if theyre rated for armor penetration they are illegal. That being said many rounds can penetrate armor still, that's just not their entire purpose or main selling point. And at the end of the day, the right of the people to keep and bare arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. I don't remember seeing any asterisks that talk about what cartridge the people are allowed to have in the constitution.
A red dot and light on a carry pistol for civilians not fighting “cartels” is super unnecessary. If you have time to stand and aim at someone then your life is not in danger. The exception is someone breaking into your home
I mean, a gun light? What if it's dark out? You know, when the majority of criminals are prowling? A red dot? Maybe you're at your kid's football game and some loser is 40 yards away with his dad's AR-15 mowing people down? People should carry for the sole reason of never knowing when, where and what others might do to require some ventilation. Lights and red dots add extra layers of capability.
You can’t unring the gun control bell and unfortunately because I only ever see you recommend companies that sponsor you I can’t really trust any of your recommendations. I wish that were different, I used to be a big fan but that trust is hard to win back.
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We just scratched the surface here. Got a favorite caliber for self-defense? Tell us what you're packing and why!
Whatever gun i shoot best.
FN 10MM
9mm, lots of fire power for the caliber, much easier to come by and far cheaper. Most of my pistols are 9mm.
CZ 52
M&P 357Sig
The real reason i switched: FN used to pay me now Sig pays me.
tim not a sellout smh
@@GoCards512😂😂😂😂 sure thing.
Would have been refreshing to just acknowledge the difference in partnership. There’s no shame in it.
Lol! Right!
Man when he paused after he said “why I switched from the FN to a 9mm…………….ummm…penetration…wound cavity…gang violence” 😂😂😂😂
Tim, I think you forgot to mention that Sig paid you to switch (or they gave you a bunch of free guns/ammo, which is the same thing).
Tim has been a big fan of the P365 line long before any partnerships came into play. Our goal is always to feature gear we genuinely trust and use. Whether partnered or not, Tim will always stand by equipment that works best for him in the field.
@@SheepdogResponse Why not make the partnership public and be honest with your viewers? This is effectively a paid advertisement.
@@EuropaChronicles by your standards your probably gonna wanna stop taking advice from people who work at gun stores too. Most firearms manufacturers have programs that incentivize selling more of their products Springfield had one of the best when I was selling guns I ended up getting 2 AR's, a Hellcat, and a 1911 all completely free because of all the Springfields I sold during the riots and the pandemic not to mention Vortex optics on everything I own Sig has a similar program and Ruger did too. My point being that regardless where in the firearms industry you work or at what level more often than not "Unbiased" doesn't really exist.
@@jollythesmith6568 lol, I don’t take advice from people who work at gun stores. They aren’t shooters, they’re salesmen.
Btw, I don’t have a problem with partnerships, I have a problem when massive influencers like Tim Kennedy aren’t honest about the fact that they’re being paid to push a certain product. It’s highly unethical behavior.
he’s purely talking about ammo here the gun isn’t really the point, he mentions glock and other brands toward the end, this is about terminal ballistic performance and 9mm have more and better options as it has been around over 100 years and thus a multitude of good loadings and projectiles have been created for it
"More bad guys are wearing armor, so i moved TO a gun and ammo that will never penetrate armor"
seems like a weird angle.
perhaps i misunderstood. sounded a bit off the cuff.
True, that's why I still carry my 5-7
@@joshuajennings9387 The FN or the SW? or god, the Ruger?
If your 9mm isnt penetrating an armor you're probably using a shitty cartridge or using hollowpoints that are hyper focused on expansion. Get hollowpoints that have more griz and penetration, you can get through body armor with a JHP 9mm that is more sided towards griz than 100% expansion. This is a result of cartridge reviewers hyper obsessing over expansion.
@@John_439 go to small ma and pop military surplus stores, idk how it is where you live but here I got one that definitely carries some good shit lmao cash only and hand written receipts. But it's well worth it
@@joshuajennings9387light copper rounds 9mm like 68gr +p will defeat everything 5.7ap will
PSA is releasing a compact 5.7....so awesome!
That is the problem with 5.7, they don't make a carry pistol. 20+ rounds and 4.8" barrel is too big to conceal imo.
@@craigmcdonald6305how’s it hard?
I asked my genius gunsmith about this. He is a combat veteran with a science college degree.
"I carry a 9 because its ballistic performance is similar to 5.7 and we cannot have AP 57 ammo anyway"
It’s always crazy to me when geniuses decide to withdrawal from society and take on a menial trade. Any Rand warned us this might happen.
9mm actually expands more than 5.7 which is known for over penetrating people same as 556. 5.7 is literally just a pistol version of 556 with all the cons and none of the pros of a rifle round
5.7 AP can’t be purchased by civilians so that’s kinda useless, and 5.7’s true time to shine would be in a full auto PDW as it has almost no recoil so you can really control it
It makes zero sense for a pistol
@Marksman5147 you can manufacture your own AP. If you're cool. 5.7 is great out of carbine length barrels but generally agree with piston and non AP.
Lol the pistol is probably the best survival item ever made. 5.7 is amazing for hunting in a survival situation 😊
All it takes is a dab of super glue on the tup of the round
Wow, there are a lot of people who do not understand that a person carry’s what they think at the time is best for their situation. I am trying to instill in my sons to carry everyday and carry what works with what you are wearing and what you are doing. Thanks Tim for fighting the good fight and helping to keep people safe and free.
I've been carrying 7.62x25 for years. I only wish someone would make a high capacity carry pistol in that caliber.
What about Iranian fighters. You didn’t mention them.
If you are really concerned about 3a and proper terminal ballistics, go with the 65 grain XDs from Underwood in 357 Sig
I think everyone looks over the fact 5.7 has many different round types for many different applications,they make a critical defense option sub sonic options and ap options with that being said more and more ppl are coming to edc/ccw 5.7 more often now and ballistics match a 9mm +hp rounds more than they do a 22
Don’t forget about the T6 B rounds the haters don’t know about that 😉
@@darrellterry8121 yeah ppl should definitely do their own research or just dive into the 5.7 world instead of trying to keep up with the hate trend that started with their favorite gun tuber
it’s literally so weird lol how can you hate on the 5.7? like how lol
The same reason you “switched” to 5.7. $$$
Its always best if it pays the most 😂✌️
Classic Tim lmao. Tell us why you swapped from the Cheytac 408 too
I grew up on a Beretta 96fs so I’ve always had a fondness for double actions with de cockers, in 2019 got a job selling guns in the PDX area (boy did I pick a terrible time to get into it) but there I was introduced to CZ and fell in love with a CZ 75 PCR it’s 9mm, double stacked, compact, reliable, and I’ve never had any issues with accuracy. My current goal is to get it cut for an optic and join the rest of the modern world but until then I practice with the nite sights. If I’m wearing sweatpants or something like that though I pack a S&W 360PD everybody hates on wheel guns but I can carry it in gym shorts without printing and despite its low capacity I keep it packed with full spice 158 grain hollow points so the hope is I won’t need too many follow up shots.
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Anyone who peddles 5.7 for carry looses all credibility with me
This guy hasn't any credibility in the 2A community for a long time.
Did you watch the video? He's not...
@@TDub777 If you don't say why, people like me who are new will have to assume you are either being dramatic, exaggerating, or lying. The 2a community is not a cult.
@@Ryan-xq3kltrust me it is a cult. It’s kind of like car guys. They think they know everything about everything. I like guns and I like gun content. But there’s definitely a lot of arrogance in this space
@@Ryan-xq3klif they aren’t a cult are they adults that don’t need others to hold their hands? they should probably do some research on the people the listen to. Especially when they see people making very easily verifiable claims.
I would run an optic unfortunately I have astigmatism (1/3 of the population has it), but don't I don't need glasses so I just have to use open sights. I don't see one dot I see 10-20 dots depending on the optic. Funny thing is the more expensive the optic the worse it is. Thankfully micro prisms exist for long guns those have been awesome. Whoever comes out with a prism style pistol optic is going to make a whole bunch of money.
10 to 20 dots for the price of one sounds awesome.
I carry the Glock 21 gen 4. Recently upgraded from the 40 cal gen 1 that I duty carried for 25 years. Also my EDC.
.45 ACP isn't an upgrade from .40 S&W unless you want it for purely subsonic ammo.
It is if you are using the .45 ACP defenders from Underwood, lol.
@@AncientMorbidity1991 They make some really hot .40 as well.
@hartsickdisciple No doubt, but the only difference is that .45 is typically on the slower side, and with the defenders, it's drastically improved with velocity.
Liberty civil defense ammo is a great choice
Fort Scott Tumble Upon Impact 9mm has better penetration, I think?
they have the 80gr +p 9mm now, no one has tested it on yt, but i bet it would be hanging with the ss190, but the fortscott would have better terminal performance, the ss190 was not designed for terminal performance ss192 or elite ammunition rounds are better for that.
Interesting, i have seen you since you got Q & S and into your 1st team and over the years you have improved a lot. Much to learn and mature but as i was told in my 20's "to be old and wise we must be young and dumb " and it sure 40 yrs later i see how true this quotwas for me....keep the good work dude. Anything, anytime, anyplace........the impossible, give me a minute
6 shot .38 snubby because it truly goes with me everywhere easily, and I don't have to dress around it. Bet there's a bunch here that don't think that's enough but don't carry everywhere because what they think is enough doesn't work everywhere!!!! I also have all the HC tacticool stuff but even the smallest of them, the G26, gets cumbersome.
One of those things that while it might not be recommended if there’s better options, it’s 1000% better than no weapon at all. If you can afford the ammo prices to train with 38 more power to you!
@ Facts, but I have been shooting revolvers for 35 years, so the training is done. I shoot it every week first before I shoot whatever I take with me, which is usually a HC tacticool piece that I waste 250 rounds on lol
So...which one are you carrying?
Body armor only covers a limited area. Shoot where its not. Your a pro right.
*You’re. I don’t know if you know this, but depending on environmental restrictions and target movement sometimes you have to take the shot you have available.
Hand held light and iron sights is my vote! No need to be fancy and break the bank.
If concealed carry were not an issue, would you carry the larger frame 5.7, perhaps as a sidearm while hiking/hunting/camping?
It would be next to useless against a bear . Maybe just maybe a mountain lion . 10 MM is the 9MM of the woods . 9MM stops 2 legged predators 10MM stops 4 legged predators.
@@louisbabycos106my 57 and the ammo I carry would destroy a mountain lion
People have taken bears down with a 9mm. Capacity, shot placement, and ammo choice are 3 major things that matter.
That 5.7 does not have what it takes. When it can't blow a cinder block apart in 9 rounds, but the 9 can do it in 3, that should tell you something. The 5.7 is expensive for what little you get from it.
Abandon it at all costs for self defense.
P365 Legion w Romeo X and M18 w Romeo 17. Best self defense ammo is Liberty Civil Defense 9mm…55g @ 2050 fps.
I been carrying liberty ammo, 9mm,40cal,45acp and it have outperform all expectation
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Have you looked at the M&P 57. It may work for you.
Not a fan of 5.7 for EDC. If you're looking for barrier blind / soft armor penetration, check out the G9 defense external hollow point ammo. Will defeat soft armor and leaves a sick wound cavity using good old physics. When that sucker hits soft tissue it dumps energy into it.
Now where to get some of that 5.7 ammo 🤔👀
It’s never available in black tip
Seems like a bad shout, honestly. For a carry piece, chances are you're not going up against prepared criminals with body armory. 5.7 blacks are going to sail through an unarmored opfor. For the home defense, sure maybe, but for carry on potentially crowded streets, seems like a bad option. GRANTED! i have VERY little experience with 5.7, i'm purely going off the public date on this. it's ENTIERLY possible that my understanding of 5.7ap is wrong full stop.
@Bodhimedic9080 You just gotta search. It's out there. Also there's Custom Loads Like E.A 5.7 ammo aswell. But the Black Tip is Out There So is Green Tip Which can go through 3A
Avoid the 5.7. Ballistics do not prove this caliber worthy. Watch tests against a 9mm on a cinder block. It's just not gonna effectively replace a 9mm and that's a lot for me to say when 185 grain hollow points are available for a 45. Overall, the 45 still beats the 9 at the end pf the day. I choose o for lighter weight, less recoil, capacity, and ease of returned dead center shot placement, and overall ammo availability.
I have that exact same liquor cabinet in my home. Never seen another one before….👍🏻👍🏻
I enjoy his take. Everyone should carry what they are most confident and proficient with under stress. I have carried Sig, Glock, and Springfield, but unfortunately they don’t pay me! And don’t forget to train, train, and train some more.
I will try and quote the late P.H. :
"there is No replacement for shots placement"
"program compliance / consistent carry"
Hi Sir. What your take on CZP09 carry weapon. In South Africa, you have right own one self defense weapons ( section 13) up to 6 months for Gun license. I am in amazed to see what you teaching and training. God bless and for all the great you tubes shows
Gabriel Suarez - SUAREZ TACTICS ...is a great fan of CZ... Do you have Bulgarian Arsenal (Kazanluk) Kalashnikov rifles, as well as Arcus 94 pistols ove in SA...
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Because I can hit whatever I want already without using the sights. Optics are fine, but not needed if you are a good shooter.
then why is the competition with the largest participation carry optics? all the best shooters use optics on their pistols in 2024.
@@jessegpresley
Sure, competitions are great.
I don't want to add extra bulk and weight on my concealed firearm with an optic when I don't need to.
@@RicArmstrong cool, then don't. Why do you care what anyone else says if it works for you
@@CheetoDust365
I didn't tell anyone what to carry. I'm just saying I've seen people put far too much faith into some expensive optic when oftentimes they never prop learned to shoot with iron sights.
Why would you leave anything available on the table when you're talking about personal defense? Surely one would want every advantage available, regardless of skill.
The SS190 black FN is not available anywhere. I bought the CMMG DISSENT M4 5.7 to defeat body armor with the ss190 but cant get it.
Would like to a comparison of 30 super carry vs 5.7 vs a non body armor wearing situation. If its a body wearing situation than of course you need 5.56 .
The reason i am interested in 30 super carry is that it is a tweener between 380 ACP and 9MM . You could make a micro compact and it will hopefully deliver more penetration and expansion than a 380 acp and less perceived recoil than a 9 mm .
It's the same argument for .45 auto... do you want 7 rounds or 15? Well with 9mm vs 5.7 it is do you want 21-23 rounds or 15?
my psa 5.7 has 31 rounds with the mag extension
For most in Texas the Armor Piercing ammunition would be a prohibited weapon according to Texas Penal Code 46.05 (2) unless they are LE or have it coincidental to a military or agency function. SDR/Tim has a Type 02/07 FFL so can have some stuff people outside of the industry can't have but check your local laws before you go out and pay $399 for a box of 50 SS190 rounds (which is the current rate on the open market).
I switched to the Sig19 .454 casull.
What light do you recommend for the p365? i have an xl grip not a macro. So no pic rail. I have a macro grip, i just prefer the xl
I actually Started Converting All My Hand Guns Over The 9mm, my Reason Is For Ammo Cost, Availability, Average Ballistics, But The Main Reason is Being able to have plenty of Ammo at My Fingertips To Use that is Absolutely 100 % Interchangeable With Every Weapon That Would be Utilized In a Nasty Situation. So Getting To The Optic and Light, I have Used Both For many Years now, I Run The Stream lights TL-8AG Because the Green Laser distance and Clarity.
I'm curious why not 357 sig?
What’s the best turniket, forgive my spelling.
Now you need to get a DBX 5.7 and have mag compatibility. Absolutely love mine!
Sold my five sevens for stacattos . Such an upgrade 👌
In a similar thought process I think the 7.5 fk Brno has a lot of merit for ccw other than the price tag.
Have you tried G9 rounds?
How do you tie your shoes with one of those AIWB?
I'm over 50 so still humping around 357sig.
I was done at 5.7 for carry
I’m not comfortable with you being a gun owning civilian, Tim. Im sure you can understand.
@sheepdogresponse What hat are you wearing here? Looks comfy.
Surprised you didn’t speak about civil defense 9mm. It’s over 2000 feet a second out of a 3” barrel
I really like my FN Five-seveN MRD FDE
Why do people grab the optic to rack the slide. That creates wear and tear. I know it’s “built for that” but don’t you want it to last, and work when it needs to?
No judgement literally just wondering?
Crazy. I have that FN MK3 in FDE sitting around my house collecting dust right now with my FN PS90 SBR (Form-1). I added the threaded extended barrel Jarvis makes on the MK3 pistol and literally never shot it after swapping. Both of my FN’s are novelty guns though. Fun to collect, but not really practical unless I’m at the range with SS190’s (black tips) messing around with steel.
I love how there are so many presumptuous comments on this post. Dafuc is wrong with you people? Are you that insignificant that you have nothing better to do than troll? Disagreement with someone on their input is one thing, to just blatantly tell them you know more of why than they are saying, dude, that's just kindergarten. Now to answer the question presented; I carried .40 a large portion of my career (once I was allowed to toss my M9 aside) and inherently chose that as my primary concealed round for years, but switched back to 9mmm about 4 years ago. I also carry the 365 Legion or VP9SK, depending on my mood and activities. I will say to carry a 5.7 never would have entered my mind.
G9 AP?
Wouldn’t have anything to do with your sponsorship??
I stack rounds. Civil Defense and Underwood Extreme Defense. One for penetrating soft armor and the other for more solid objects.
Which for which and what are your favorite grains in those ?
i always wanted a 5.7 until i watched a bunch of ballistic testing with different 5.7 rounds. Theyre really unimpressive. They make 9mm bullets now that come close to the same speeds and leave a bigger wound channel. 9mm is just the all around king for handguns i.m.o.
I watched a guy on here shooting 119gr 5.7 they looked like they punched hard plus 1700fps
From what I've saw 5.7 doesn't defeat body armor and I think it was like IIIA also I don't know if I'd trust my life on a sig theyre just iffy discharging when un-commanded frames snapping in half idk sigs Qc used to be good back in the day not now
Elite Sig ammo is trash HST or Gold dot is much better even federal punch is solid
I was carrying a full size M&p 2.p 4inch barrel. I went down to the p365 standard with 12 plus 1 and smith & wesson shield plus with 13 plus 1, and much more enjoyable to carry on my 5 feet 10 inches rall, 182lb frame
REAL REASON- SIG gave him a free gun and a wml and some ammo.
A a Brand NEW 🔫/📱/👖/👟/🚗/🛻... Is great to have ur hands on
I thought you EDC'd 8.6 Blackout 😜
Walther PDP Pro X also one to consider.
Don't forget the copper tungsten core 9mm rounds. You got plenty of money lol. They are out there
Thank you for your knowledge of your craft sir 🫡👍
Am I just weeeetarded? I thought AP 5.7 was illegal. Am I crazy?
It’s not
@@digitalpunk5365 wait seriously? I thought any AP hand gun ammo was banned? They almost banned 5.7 outright a while back because of its generally high punch through rate even without the AP ammo
It's just extremely expensive and extremely difficult to find.
@@ryanjones3043 Technically the 5.7x28 was developed as a rifle round for the P90. Rifle AP ammo isn't banned, so it's legal to own it.
You thought that the right of the people to keep and bare arms was supposed to be infringed upon? Thats silly.
Some Mexican army officers carry the 5.7 also. Probably for the same reasons.
So you carry a cartridge that cant defeat a FBI gel test but in the off chance you come across cartel wearing a vest your amour defeating rounds will come in handy. Kool story. 😂😂😂
Some days Tim looks like a 12 year old, other days he looks 45. Today is the 12.
Ok for civilians to own?
There's no federal restrictions on 5.7 i don't think. Places like CA might not have a 5.7 on the roster, though. The black tip ammo though, less sure about.
I carry without an optic because I am an independent thinker, who isn't a slave to trends. And very effective without one.
Fort scott ammunition 9mm penetrates body armor too
Get a trijicon. That Walmart optic will shatter when you look at it the wrong way
Pretty sure carrying armor piercing rounds while legal for rifles carbines and SMG is illegal for handguns
Didn’t that Fort Hood shooter that killed all those guys on base use a 5.7 ?? If I remember correctly it had a HELL OF A MORTALITY rate. Even on base with combat experienced medics. Hmm that’s a tough argument
Love it. I'd really like to carry a 5.7 caliber piece if someone made a fricking sub compact model. I'm manlet size so carrying a duty size pistol ain't gonna work that well. But I've thought for a while a 5.7 would be a great carry option.
Will never happen. The bullets are very long for a handgun, and the velocity is horrible with anything shorter than the FN barrel length.
Palmetto state armory has compact coming out here soon
I carry 5.7 and a P365. Clothing choice and location dictates. I’m an underwood ammo fan. The Black Tips are never available.
The SS190 is not a proper civilian ammo. It over penetrates unless meeting armor, by all of the data and videos I've seen. The 9mm might be putting more mass into your target, but there again you are using specialize ammo. A 9mm isn't going through body armor. Your argument is not logical since the way you started it off was stating "the bad guys wearing body armor." Unless you are using an AP round in the 9mm, it isn't going through. Then that's illegal once again, unless you hold a special license or Federal permit to do so.
Shot placement was always a key in your videos, I've watched. The 57 allows better shot placement, follow up, and less recoil. It also provides a cartridge where the SS197 dumps all its energy into the target and, by tests I've seen on YT and from other reports on the 57 during shootings, does not, in 90% of cases, over penetrate the target. A 9mm that doesn't expand almost always over penetrates. The 57 round will also lose a lot of power when penetrating home walls. A 9mm will not. It will continue through the entire structure unless hitting something substantial to stop it.
Again, unless there is something you are not revealing, your entire argument for the switch is illogical. I do however respect your views and your own opinions. Enough said.
Take Care and Stay Safe.
Liberty ammo penetrate 9 out 10 soft bodyarmor I tested on,(7 of the 3a, and 3 were level 2.) OH also 2 aggressive dogs. 1 coyote. 1 200lbs feral hog.. 9mm 50gr, 40cal 60gr and 45acp 75 gr
Or maybe just maybe did Sig just sponsor you so you’re going to “rock” one of their shit blasters because they have a track record of just that
The 5.7 is a nice middle ground between 9mm and .22 magnum 🤦
I carry 9mm concealed until I’m camping in bear country. Then it’s a 10mm open carry.
Dam Tim K. I finally found your channel. Hope ypu are well, God Bless you and your family and ALL of us . Thank You For My FREEDOM my friend My Brother in God Above. Amen.
✌️ Peace from Big Jim New Hampshire USA aka Boston Strong
Ammo availability
Omg, I carry a 50 cal. Bmg.......sheez, thanks for teaching us like a kindergarten teacher.
Yoel doesn’t need a gun.
The 5.7 ammo is so expensive. I’ve shot two mags and had to stop lol
Then you may not be bright enough to use Google. 5.7 is like fifty cents a round, no worse than 556 or when 9mm was fifty cents not that long ago.
Extreme defender in everything
Any armor peircing ammo carried in a handgun is illegal. Now there are going to be people argue with me, but go look up 18 USC 921 (a)(17)(B). Specifically related to handguns, not green/black tip for rifles. I would never carry AP rounds in pistol. Just practice pelvic and head shot to counter body armor.
In my department we’ve had 4 shootings where the subject was shot in the pelvis. None survived.
@@nevadastrong702 How many shootings have you had where the victim died because they were unable to carry armor penetrating rounds legally?
Thats only technically true, if theyre rated for armor penetration they are illegal. That being said many rounds can penetrate armor still, that's just not their entire purpose or main selling point. And at the end of the day, the right of the people to keep and bare arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. I don't remember seeing any asterisks that talk about what cartridge the people are allowed to have in the constitution.
I’ve never seen anyone questioned on what ammo they have, and if your that concerned just paint the tip
Where is the paid advertisement banner?
5.7 out of a 3.5in barrel is not going through anything a 22 mag won't. This guy thinks 22 is better for body armor 😆
If you conceal carry a 5.7 you are an absolute dork and try hard...
Care to expand on the why of it?
If you've had a TH-cam channel for 13 years and only have 2 subscribers maybe you should consider trying hard .. or at least trying?
Love my 5.7 carry it all the time and for work I carry a sig p320.. I did my testing green tips all the way
@@bushwhookie1334 carrying the P320 explains everything we need to know.
@Kh2456 lolol sorry my agency can afford high quality guns
A red dot and light on a carry pistol for civilians not fighting “cartels” is super unnecessary. If you have time to stand and aim at someone then your life is not in danger. The exception is someone breaking into your home
I mean, a gun light? What if it's dark out? You know, when the majority of criminals are prowling?
A red dot? Maybe you're at your kid's football game and some loser is 40 yards away with his dad's AR-15 mowing people down?
People should carry for the sole reason of never knowing when, where and what others might do to require some ventilation. Lights and red dots add extra layers of capability.
I thought he carried a cheytac 408
You can’t unring the gun control bell and unfortunately because I only ever see you recommend companies that sponsor you I can’t really trust any of your recommendations. I wish that were different, I used to be a big fan but that trust is hard to win back.
Zipper drill. Body armor stops both rounds.