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*The* *Queen* *Who* *Ever* *Was* The episode was only 109 minutes when I thought it would be 113? They cut a scene from the leaked footage. It’s a scene of Alicent and Helaena escaping. They’re both sitting inside a carriage. The part when Alicent secretly sees Rhaenyra made zero sense. She’s practically committing treason. Told Rhaenyra everything including an injured Aegon. Only five episodes earlier, Alicent told Rhaenyra it was too late. Was cutting that scene a way to have Alicent and Helaena remain at King’s Landing after it’s seized by Team Black? Scenes with Rhaenyra and Alicent were only created for Emma and Olivia to shoot scenes together. You can tell it’s a retelling of GRRM’s story. The other extremely divisive scene and perhaps the most divisive scene happens to be Daemon’s vision. Unlike Preston from RedTeamReview, I don’t have an issue that fate determines a character although Daemon loses this option. He said winter is coming in High Valyrian and it was cringe. My biggest problem was what Southern Mother of Dragons and Red said. Why lean on the previous show and White Walkers? Can’t House of the Dragon be carried by their own characters and not the backs of Daenerys and the White Walkers? It was great to see a book accurate Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven this time unlike having Max von Sydow (RIP). Joshua Ben-Tovim have eyes that beam like Cillian Murphy. The Night King did look awful like it was a cheap mask. Freeze frame it and it looks awful. Seeing the back of Dany’s naked body looked like cheap CGI/AI crap too. I had no problem with Daemon finally pledging his allegiance to Rhaenyra but that’s always been the case. His visions will probably have a pay off later on as Alys Rivers did tell Daemon he has gained abilities of a greenseer since arriving at Harrenhal. I believe they’re leaning onto this angle after Daemon dies to explain where his body was all this time. Season 2 didn’t feel it improved any of the established characters with maybe the exception being Aegon and to a lesser degree, Mysaria. I didn’t get anything out of Daemon, Alicent, Corlys, Baela, and Rhaena. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys were fine but they were always that way from S1. None of the new characters like Ulf, Hugh, Alys, and Jeyne stood out. I voted on a poll on The Plot Twist asking who is my favorite character between Rhaenyra, Daemon, Aegon, and Aemond? I was a surprised Daemon won from 24K votes at 59%. Rhaenyra is at 28%, Aemond is at 10%, and Aegon is 3%. When I voted for him, it still had 10K votes and he was at 57%. Aemond and Aegon dropped 1% each since then for Daemon to gain that 2%. It’s obvious at least 90% of viewers are Team Black. Rhaenyra was beating Aegon 93% to 7% in another poll. After S2 wasted Daemon, fans still love the D-man? I’m starting to question if he remains my favorite character as we didn’t see the greatness coming from Daemon because the writers wants to keep humiliating him because he’s no Paul Rudd. While I didn’t enjoy every moment of Daemon from S1, he was a lot better in that first season than this one. Let’s say Bloodraven or Breakspear becomes my all-time favorite. HBO will find a way to ruin them. They always do. Their only clear improvement was with Viserys. Daemon in S1: 8/10 Daemon in S2: 6/10 Matt Smith could easily carry this show. Matt and his Daemon character have enough charisma to pull it off. But the writers wants us to hate everyone in the show not named Rhaenyra or Rhaenys. They’re the perfect ones while everyone else is flawed. Rhaenyra and Alicent can’t lead for shit but it’s the writers wanting us to hate Daemon and view him as a selfish bozo. They’re turning him as pathetic as Kylo Ren! No wonder GRRM recently threw these hack writers under the bus. I know the Dance should center on Rhaenyra because this is her story but the writers are extremely biased towards her as if everything she does is correct or can be justified. I feel she will get whitewashed at the end. Overall, I will give this season only a B-. I think it’s about as good as The Boys S4. Maybe I should give both a C+ instead? Half the season was good to great, and then the other half made some questionable creative decisions…. Good to great: Ep. 1, 2, 4, 7 Bad to questionable: Ep. 3, 5, 6, 8? Perhaps the strikes and WB only ordering for 8 episodes affected S2 to become worse. We should’ve ended S2 during the Battle of Gullet. So Episode 8 felt like a trailer to Season 3 or to an Episode 9 and 10 we should’ve got. If we had gotten 10 episodes, it would’ve finished with Gullet. Felt like Season 2 got limited by the budget and number of episodes. HOT D S2 Character Rankings 1. Rhaenys 2. Rhaenyra 3. Silverwing (more character than the rest) That’s it for me. The rest didn’t seem to matter. I know Alicent taking so many baths or dips in water is for her to cleanse the impurities she did with Criston but we didn’t need to see her keep taking baths. We saw Aegon for half the season and only saw Otto for two episodes. We saw Tessarion but not Daeron. We get Tyland (mistakenly called Tywin) getting into a mud fight with a transgender TH-camr who also appeared in The Acolyte. Sharako Lohar is supposed to be a male in the book. I guess he still is. Or should I refer Sharako as they/them? Baela and Rhaena were wasted. Jace is always complaining. Got nothing out of the Jeyne Arryn scenes except her acting like a total bitch to Rhaena. Ulf went from fan favorite for people who never read the book into a moron after a couple of scenes in Ep. 8. I didn’t get much out of the Velaryons this season. It’s now official that I prefer Andor over House of the Dragon. I don’t have hopes from HBO doing this right. With Andor, while it doesn’t have enough lore building for Star Wars channels like Star Wars Meg and Generation Tech to talk about, it excels because Disney doesn’t meddle on what Tony Gilroy wants to do. I feel HBO is meddling too much on George’s work. It still hurts that we need to wait two more years for HOT D’s Season 3 which I expect to be a banger. I’m hoping HOT D does the opposite of Game of Thrones. GOT started great but ended poorly. HOT D starts off a bit too slow but ends amazingly. I expect S3 and S4 to be superior to S1 and S2. And we got A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms next summer to hold us over like Gen V did last year for fans of The Boys. Only 6 episodes but better than nothing. I wouldn’t have my hopes up too high for Baelor Targaryen, aka Breakspear. He is my 3rd favorite all-time character behind the Rogue Prince and Bloodraven. But after what HBO has done to GRRM’s favorite Targaryen in Daemon, their own “interpretation” of Baelor could end up far worse. We just have to accept the fact that HBO will dramatically change things, for better or for worse. GOT/HOT D Season Rankings 1. GOT S4 2. GOT S6 3. GOT S3 4. GOT S1 5. HOT D S1 6. GOT S2 7. GOT S5 8. HOT D S2 ⬇️ 9. GOT S7 10. GOT S8 I know GOT S8 is hated. But Ep. 2 was fun and Ep. 3 was still more exciting than most episodes that HOT D had. Maybe I should have HOT D S2 below GOT S7? GOT S7 still gave us 7x4 The Spoils of War and Euron savagely killing the Sand Snakes in 7x2. And 7x6 Beyond the Wall wasn’t that bad. At least we got Tormund and The Hound in the same scenes. The Acolyte or Game of Thrones Season 8? I would still take GOT S8 but would turn it off after The Long Night. I don’t need to watch the next 3 episodes after that where Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet and Rhaegal easily got killed, Dany goes mad and burns KL, and Bran gets chosen to sit on the Iron Throne. Jon should actually be beheaded for killing Dany. Not get his old job back where the White Walkers are no longer a threat. Jon basically got a slap on the wrist. Jon got off better than getting detention. I didn’t hate House of the Dragon S2. Still had some amazing cinematography and production values. The best set designs and costume designs in the business. I was still entertained by a couple of episodes specifically Ep. 2 and 4, but I can’t call it a great season overall. I was a little disappointed with the pacing, character development, and a few creative but odd decisions. Some of the story arcs for these characters went nowhere. If S1 was an A- or B+, S2 is a B- or C+. A letdown like The Boys S4. Oh well, I’m still optimistic for Season 3. With no more actors and writers strikes to interrupt production, I fully expect S3 to be far superior to what we got from S2. Let’s hope for 10 episodes instead of a measly 8 and we get to see several battles in it. We just need to expect that HBO will never try to emulate what’s written in the book and accept these changes. See y’all again next year for the Dunk & Egg series. It’s coming in the same month as Andor S2. ThroneVerse/ASOIAF is still a great lore to be part of! 1. Loki S1 (2021) 2. Loki S2 (2023) 3. House of the Dragon S1 (2022) 4. Andor S1 (2022) 5. House of the Dragon S2 (2024) Overall 1. Loki 2. Andor 3. House of the Dragon BTW, is Sunfyre dead or is Aegon only assuming he’s dead? They need Sunfyre later to explain what Joffrey told Margaery in GOT S4. All-Time Favorite Targaryens 1. Daemon Targaryen 2. Brynden Rivers (a bastard) 3. Baelor I Targaryen Who is HBO going to ruin next? Bertie Carvel better bring it next summer! Duncan the Tall is a fan favorite among book readers. I expect him to have many fans for the show next summer like Daemon has prior to HOT D airing in 2022. *A* *Knight* *of* *the* *Seven* *Kingdoms* (June 15, 2025 - July 20, 2025) Let’s hope for a teaser drop before this year ends.
Green Men are a sacred order entrusted with the guardianship of the Isle of Faces in the riverlands. Horned with dark, green skin & according to Old Nan, "the green men ride elks and sometimes have antlers". This is what we saw in the Godswood, ie not Robert Baratheon in a horn helm 😳
This is stupid. People need to be patient and focus on the story. If you start off by inserting action scenes this puts the burden on the show to always top each action scene with the next one thereby building audience expectation which results in disappointment because no one will ever be satisfied. The action is coming. The show is for 4 seasons. It's perfectly paced. Focus on the story.
Watching season 2 was like being a 10 year old during the month of December. Every week you go to some party or parade that gets you just a little more excited for Christmas. Finally the day comes and you run out to the tree and all you find is a list of gifts you will be getting 2 years from now.
FYI: The antlered being in the Godswood of Harrenhal was NOT representative of any Baratheon. It was one of the Green Men that live on the Isle of Faces in the Gods Eye Lake.
@@rhysioeren3203 u right, got has 8 seasons, fool me assumed s2 of hotd will be the war season and everything will ends. I'm just gonna set my alarm for 7 years later, maybe I'll watch the final season with my future kids 😂
Did anyone else notice that, prior to the command :"GO", the last words Rhaenyra says to Alicent are in the form of a couplet in Iambic Pentameter, like the end of a scene in a Shakespearean play My part is here, whether I will or no It was decided for me long ago I refuse to believe that this just happened. I applaud the choice
Book readers will know that soldier with the horns was not about the Baratheons, but was a Green Man from the Isle of Faces who protect the Weirwood trees.
The last episode feels like a group project where nobody working together and working on their own and then when the presentation time is there, everyone immediately scrapping their work together without seeing any of the works first and when it comes to presentation, the results is mixed and the teacher gives it D- for lack of effort.
Seeing a three-eyed raven, Dany, her hatchlings, and the Night King in Helaena’s vision (thumbnail spoiler) worries me about what may happen to House Targaryen in Season 3. Did the Season 2 finale disappoint? I beg to differ. My expectations were already high, and “The Queen Who Ever Was,” a play on Rhaenys’s title, delivered big-time.
Nah, there are slow pace and good like the films of Yasujiro Ozu and there are crap like HOTD that are slow and crap and having an asshole nepo baby as showrunner. Ryan Condal is just dumb and dumber 2.0
@Mikono888 No, the children are smaller and do not have antlers. The Green Men have antlers atop their heads. In addition, the Green Men are said to inhabit the Isle of Faces in the middle of the Gods Eye lake at Harrenhal.
Doesn't Daemon and Aemond die at the God's Eye. The vision is foreshadowing his death but also showing that the Targaryen line lives on. It also shows him the dangers of the future that his line faces.
Nope. Ancient Valryins dabbled in magic. Its how the dragons were born and its similar to how Daenarys was fire proof. Having prophetic visions is not the same as being the three eyed raven. Helaena can see the future. The three eyed raven can see the past and all thats happening in the present.
@marvinhamilton6637 daenerys isn't fireproof, it was blood magic and 1 of a kind which is why she wasn't burnt also dragons weren't "born" it was blood magic yet again that aloud the bonding of normal shepards from valeria to bond and ride with them
@@JohnnyNiteTrain HBO slashed this season to eight episodes and it looks like that's going to be the case for the remaining two seasons as well. No wonder GRRM is said to be unhappy.
A Lannister created an unknown amount of offspring in the triarchy. So there's a little chance, that Varys or Thoros of Myr is a distant relative of Tyrion.
The Aegon’s Realm Delight dialogue works amazingly well, if you remember that that was the same title the smallfolk gave to Rhaenyra when she was a child.
pretty sure rhaenyra's concern about who pays the price when considering the focus on the dragons is referenced multiple times insofar that it is the smallfolk who suffer when dragons dance - dragons referring to both the creature and the Targaryens. but also, i'm confident the creature noises for the horned being is meant to convey it is not so much a man as it is a Green Man, beings described with horns (sometimes antlers) and deep green skin. Green Men guard the Isle of Faces located in the lake of Gods Eye, and home the last remaining children of the forest South of the Wall, and where the last of the weirwoods in the riverlands still stand. Harren the Black, the man who enslaved his people for 40 years to build Harrenhal, cut down the rest of the weirwood trees in the riverlands (outside of the Isle of Faces) in order to achieve such a feat. Sure, it could be mold or blood in the mortar that causes visions, or it could be pissed off Children of the Forest just across the pond, or maybe it's the blood of weirwood trees, which were the resting places for the Children greenseers (the very beings that likely gave Daemon that vision.)
That was a "GREENMAN" from "The isle of faces "with the antlers at Harrenhall ..Not Bobby Baratheon....With his antler helm..Plus you hear them call ser Brune a "Traitor" when he turns up at Harrehall to see Daemon as per unstaructed by Rhaneyra
10:22 That's not Robert Baratheon but a GREEN MEN, a guardian of the Isle of Faces in the Riverlands. The tales claim they are horned and have dark and green skin. The green men also ride elks and sometimes have antlers.
I’ve seen a lot of people claiming that they recast the night king for that scene but for those of you who have seen game of thrones you should recognize that is not the night king but one of his white walkers we actually see in game of thrones
The figure next to the tree was one of the greenmen. They're the keepers of the Gods eye, which is next to Harrenhal and where the pact between the first men and children of the forest was signed. Nobody ever gets a good look at them. They see just enough to describe exactly what was depicted in the scene.
In "A Song of Ice and Fire," the most powerful and significant character is actually Brynden Rivers, a legitimized bastard by Aegon the Unworthy. The reason Aegon the Conqueror united the Seven Kingdoms was to stand against the Night King, and the prophecy of Azor Ahai is believed to descend from Aegon's bloodline. Despite the victory of the Greens in the civil war, the second son of Rhaenyra and Daemon, Viserys II, would have a bastard grandson named Brynden Rivers. With Valyrian magic and First Men blood from House Blackwood, this lineage accelerates the potential Azor Ahai prophecy. The power of skinchanging or the Three-Eyed Raven is more formidable than House Targaryen's dragons, allowing them to continue ruling through the Hand of the King and Master of Whisperers, Lord Bloodraven. Despite being legitimized as a Targaryen prince, Brynden remains loyal to his half-brother, King Daeron II, after the Blackfyre Rebellion. Brynden Rivers has the ability to manipulate the future through a eugenic program, ultimately leading Aegon V (Egg) to become king and marry into House Blackwood, thus combining pure Valyrian magic and First Men blood through incestuous marriages. From Jaehaerys II to Aerys II, the Targaryen incestuous line led to Rhaegar Targaryen, whose birth is linked to the Summerhall tragedy during Aegon V's attempt to hatch dragons, which ultimately failed. Targaryen madness is rooted in the Blackwood DNA, contributing to moral decay and insanity. Despite their cruelty, the Targaryens aimed for a greater and wiser purpose, as Brynden Rivers famously said, "The end justifies the means." Finally, the Prince That Was Promised is believed to be Jon Snow or Aegon VI Targaryen.
10 things you DIDN'T miss, pining, whining, floating around in the water, mud wrestling, running around in a field, BFF girl fights, walking around in a castle chasing ghosts..endlessly, HBO seems like it just wants to purge viewership at this point
people complaining about the pacing even watching the same series? Its a slow burn series. Season 1 didn't really have that much action. The Dance of the Dragons was mainly a war fought in back alleys, rouge-like and with subterfuge. Building up slowly is exactly what game of thrones lost in the later seasons. Keep complaining about nothing tho
@@hurion Pretty sure complaints online are heard in numerous areas. It was a great episode to YOU, to many others it was not. If they lost episodes cause of publishers, then we know who to blame otherwise as a finale, again it was not good.
*The* *Queen* *Who* *Ever* *Was* The episode was only 109 minutes when I thought it would be 113? They cut a scene from the leaked footage. It’s a scene of Alicent and Helaena escaping. They’re both sitting inside a carriage. The part when Alicent secretly sees Rhaenyra made zero sense. She’s practically committing treason. Told Rhaenyra everything including an injured Aegon. Only five episodes earlier, Alicent told Rhaenyra it was too late. Was cutting that scene a way to have Alicent and Helaena remain at King’s Landing after it’s seized by Team Black? Scenes with Rhaenyra and Alicent were only created for Emma and Olivia to shoot scenes together. You can tell it’s a retelling of GRRM’s story. The other extremely divisive scene and perhaps the most divisive scene happens to be Daemon’s vision. Unlike Preston from RedTeamReview, I don’t have an issue that fate determines a character although Daemon loses this option. He said winter is coming in High Valyrian and it was cringe. My biggest problem was what Southern Mother of Dragons and Red said. Why lean on the previous show and White Walkers? Can’t House of the Dragon be carried by their own characters and not the backs of Daenerys and the White Walkers? It was great to see a book accurate Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven this time unlike having Max von Sydow (RIP). Joshua Ben-Tovim have eyes that beam like Cillian Murphy. The Night King did look awful like it was a cheap mask. Freeze frame it and it looks awful. Seeing the back of Dany’s naked body looked like cheap CGI/AI crap too. I had no problem with Daemon finally pledging his allegiance to Rhaenyra but that’s always been the case. His visions will probably have a pay off later on as Alys Rivers did tell Daemon he has gained abilities of a greenseer since arriving at Harrenhal. I believe they’re leaning onto this angle after Daemon dies to explain where his body was all this time. Season 2 didn’t feel it improved any of the established characters with maybe the exception being Aegon and to a lesser degree, Mysaria. I didn’t get anything out of Daemon, Alicent, Corlys, Baela, and Rhaena. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys were fine but they were always that way from S1. None of the new characters like Ulf, Hugh, Alys, and Jeyne stood out. I voted on a poll on The Plot Twist asking who is my favorite character between Rhaenyra, Daemon, Aegon, and Aemond? I was a surprised Daemon won from 24K votes at 59%. Rhaenyra is at 28%, Aemond is at 10%, and Aegon is 3%. When I voted for him, it still had 10K votes and he was at 57%. Aemond and Aegon dropped 1% each since then for Daemon to gain that 2%. It’s obvious at least 90% of viewers are Team Black. Rhaenyra was beating Aegon 93% to 7% in another poll. After S2 wasted Daemon, fans still love the D-man? I’m starting to question if he remains my favorite character as we didn’t see the greatness coming from Daemon because the writers wants to keep humiliating him because he’s no Paul Rudd. While I didn’t enjoy every moment of Daemon from S1, he was a lot better in that first season than this one. Let’s say Bloodraven or Breakspear becomes my all-time favorite. HBO will find a way to ruin them. They always do. Their only clear improvement was with Viserys. Daemon in S1: 8/10 Daemon in S2: 6/10 Matt Smith could easily carry this show. Matt and his Daemon character have enough charisma to pull it off. But the writers wants us to hate everyone in the show not named Rhaenyra or Rhaenys. They’re the perfect ones while everyone else is flawed. Rhaenyra and Alicent can’t lead for shit but it’s the writers wanting us to hate Daemon and view him as a selfish bozo. They’re turning him as pathetic as Kylo Ren! No wonder GRRM recently threw these hack writers under the bus. I know the Dance should center on Rhaenyra because this is her story but the writers are extremely biased towards her as if everything she does is correct or can be justified. I feel she will get whitewashed at the end. Overall, I will give this season only a B-. I think it’s about as good as The Boys S4. Maybe I should give both a C+ instead? Half the season was good to great, and then the other half made some questionable creative decisions…. Good to great: Ep. 1, 2, 4, 7 Bad to questionable: Ep. 3, 5, 6, 8? Perhaps the strikes and WB only ordering for 8 episodes affected S2 to become worse. We should’ve ended S2 during the Battle of Gullet. So Episode 8 felt like a trailer to Season 3 or to an Episode 9 and 10 we should’ve got. If we had gotten 10 episodes, it would’ve finished with Gullet. Felt like Season 2 got limited by the budget and number of episodes. HOT D S2 Character Rankings 1. Rhaenys 2. Rhaenyra 3. Silverwing (more character than the rest) That’s it for me. The rest didn’t seem to matter. I know Alicent taking so many baths or dips in water is for her to cleanse the impurities she did with Criston but we didn’t need to see her keep taking baths. We saw Aegon for half the season and only saw Otto for two episodes. We saw Tessarion but not Daeron. We get Tyland (mistakenly called Tywin) getting into a mud fight with a transgender TH-camr who also appeared in The Acolyte. Sharako Lohar is supposed to be a male in the book. I guess he still is. Or should I refer Sharako as they/them? Baela and Rhaena were wasted. Jace is always complaining. Got nothing out of the Jeyne Arryn scenes except her acting like a total bitch to Rhaena. Ulf went from fan favorite for people who never read the book into a moron after a couple of scenes in Ep. 8. I didn’t get much out of the Velaryons this season. It’s now official that I prefer Andor over House of the Dragon. I don’t have hopes from HBO doing this right. With Andor, while it doesn’t have enough lore building for Star Wars channels like Star Wars Meg and Generation Tech to talk about, it excels because Disney doesn’t meddle on what Tony Gilroy wants to do. I feel HBO is meddling too much on George’s work. It still hurts that we need to wait two more years for HOT D’s Season 3 which I expect to be a banger. I’m hoping HOT D does the opposite of Game of Thrones. GOT started great but ended poorly. HOT D starts off a bit too slow but ends amazingly. I expect S3 and S4 to be superior to S1 and S2. And we got A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms next summer to hold us over like Gen V did last year for fans of The Boys. Only 6 episodes but better than nothing. I wouldn’t have my hopes up too high for Baelor Targaryen, aka Breakspear. He is my 3rd favorite all-time character behind the Rogue Prince and Bloodraven. But after what HBO has done to GRRM’s favorite Targaryen in Daemon, their own “interpretation” of Baelor could end up far worse. We just have to accept the fact that HBO will dramatically change things, for better or for worse. GOT/HOT D Season Rankings 1. GOT S4 2. GOT S6 3. GOT S3 4. GOT S1 5. HOT D S1 6. GOT S2 7. GOT S5 8. HOT D S2 ⬇️ 9. GOT S7 10. GOT S8 I know GOT S8 is hated. But Ep. 2 was fun and Ep. 3 was still more exciting than most episodes that HOT D had. Maybe I should have HOT D S2 below GOT S7? GOT S7 still gave us 7x4 The Spoils of War and Euron savagely killing the Sand Snakes in 7x2. And 7x6 Beyond the Wall wasn’t that bad. At least we got Tormund and The Hound in the same scenes. The Acolyte or Game of Thrones Season 8? I would still take GOT S8 but would turn it off after The Long Night. I don’t need to watch the next 3 episodes after that where Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet and Rhaegal easily got killed, Dany goes mad and burns KL, and Bran gets chosen to sit on the Iron Throne. Jon should actually be beheaded for killing Dany. Not get his old job back where the White Walkers are no longer a threat. Jon basically got a slap on the wrist. Jon got off better than getting detention. I didn’t hate House of the Dragon S2. Still had some amazing cinematography and production values. The best set designs and costume designs in the business. I was still entertained by a couple of episodes specifically Ep. 2 and 4, but I can’t call it a great season overall. I was a little disappointed with the pacing, character development, and a few creative but odd decisions. Some of the story arcs for these characters went nowhere. If S1 was an A- or B+, S2 is a B- or C+. A letdown like The Boys S4. Oh well, I’m still optimistic for Season 3. With no more actors and writers strikes to interrupt production, I fully expect S3 to be far superior to what we got from S2. Let’s hope for 10 episodes instead of a measly 8 and we get to see several battles in it. We just need to expect that HBO will never try to emulate what’s written in the book and accept these changes. See y’all again next year for the Dunk & Egg series. It’s coming in the same month as Andor S2. ThroneVerse/ASOIAF is still a great lore to be part of! 1. Loki S1 (2021) 2. Loki S2 (2023) 3. House of the Dragon S1 (2022) 4. Andor S1 (2022) 5. House of the Dragon S2 (2024) Overall 1. Loki 2. Andor 3. House of the Dragon BTW, is Sunfyre dead or is Aegon only assuming he’s dead? They need Sunfyre later to explain what Joffrey told Margaery in GOT S4. All-Time Favorite Targaryens 1. Daemon Targaryen 2. Brynden Rivers (a bastard) 3. Baelor I Targaryen Who is HBO going to ruin next? Bertie Carvel better bring it next summer! Duncan the Tall is a fan favorite among book readers. I expect him to have many fans for the show next summer like Daemon has prior to HOT D airing in 2022. *A* *Knight* *of* *the* *Seven* *Kingdoms* (June 15, 2025 - July 20, 2025) Let’s hope for a teaser drop before this year ends.
These showrunners like that Ryan Condal know what they're doing as far as the overall arch of the show spanning 4 seasons. I was a bit disppointed with the cliffhanging ending but nonetheless this is a fantastic show, and people will argue with me but these first 2 seasons of House of the Dragon have been better than Game of Thrones first 2 seasons.
"Robert Baratheon in the Godswood... NOPE, you saw a Green man!!! Green Men are a sacred order entrusted with the guardianship of the Isle of Faces in the riverlands. Horned with dark, green skin & according to Old Nan, "the green men ride elks and sometimes have antlers".
The person wearing the horned helmet with antlers was not a man. It's a nature spirit like a Children of the Forest or a member of the Order of the Green Hand, who live across the lake on the isle of Faces.
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I thought that the character with antlers was the children of the forest, or am I wrong?
*The* *Queen* *Who* *Ever* *Was*
The episode was only 109 minutes when I thought it would be 113? They cut a scene from the leaked footage. It’s a scene of Alicent and Helaena escaping. They’re both sitting inside a carriage. The part when Alicent secretly sees Rhaenyra made zero sense. She’s practically committing treason. Told Rhaenyra everything including an injured Aegon.
Only five episodes earlier, Alicent told Rhaenyra it was too late. Was cutting that scene a way to have Alicent and Helaena remain at King’s Landing after it’s seized by Team Black? Scenes with Rhaenyra and Alicent were only created for Emma and Olivia to shoot scenes together. You can tell it’s a retelling of GRRM’s story.
The other extremely divisive scene and perhaps the most divisive scene happens to be Daemon’s vision. Unlike Preston from RedTeamReview, I don’t have an issue that fate determines a character although Daemon loses this option. He said winter is coming in High Valyrian and it was cringe. My biggest problem was what Southern Mother of Dragons and Red said. Why lean on the previous show and White Walkers?
Can’t House of the Dragon be carried by their own characters and not the backs of Daenerys and the White Walkers? It was great to see a book accurate Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven this time unlike having Max von Sydow (RIP). Joshua Ben-Tovim have eyes that beam like Cillian Murphy. The Night King did look awful like it was a cheap mask. Freeze frame it and it looks awful. Seeing the back of Dany’s naked body looked like cheap CGI/AI crap too.
I had no problem with Daemon finally pledging his allegiance to Rhaenyra but that’s always been the case. His visions will probably have a pay off later on as Alys Rivers did tell Daemon he has gained abilities of a greenseer since arriving at Harrenhal. I believe they’re leaning onto this angle after Daemon dies to explain where his body was all this time.
Season 2 didn’t feel it improved any of the established characters with maybe the exception being Aegon and to a lesser degree, Mysaria. I didn’t get anything out of Daemon, Alicent, Corlys, Baela, and Rhaena. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys were fine but they were always that way from S1. None of the new characters like Ulf, Hugh, Alys, and Jeyne stood out.
I voted on a poll on The Plot Twist asking who is my favorite character between Rhaenyra, Daemon, Aegon, and Aemond? I was a surprised Daemon won from 24K votes at 59%. Rhaenyra is at 28%, Aemond is at 10%, and Aegon is 3%. When I voted for him, it still had 10K votes and he was at 57%. Aemond and Aegon dropped 1% each since then for Daemon to gain that 2%. It’s obvious at least 90% of viewers are Team Black. Rhaenyra was beating Aegon 93% to 7% in another poll.
After S2 wasted Daemon, fans still love the D-man? I’m starting to question if he remains my favorite character as we didn’t see the greatness coming from Daemon because the writers wants to keep humiliating him because he’s no Paul Rudd. While I didn’t enjoy every moment of Daemon from S1, he was a lot better in that first season than this one. Let’s say Bloodraven or Breakspear becomes my all-time favorite. HBO will find a way to ruin them. They always do. Their only clear improvement was with Viserys.
Daemon in S1: 8/10
Daemon in S2: 6/10
Matt Smith could easily carry this show. Matt and his Daemon character have enough charisma to pull it off. But the writers wants us to hate everyone in the show not named Rhaenyra or Rhaenys. They’re the perfect ones while everyone else is flawed. Rhaenyra and Alicent can’t lead for shit but it’s the writers wanting us to hate Daemon and view him as a selfish bozo. They’re turning him as pathetic as Kylo Ren! No wonder GRRM recently threw these hack writers under the bus.
I know the Dance should center on Rhaenyra because this is her story but the writers are extremely biased towards her as if everything she does is correct or can be justified. I feel she will get whitewashed at the end. Overall, I will give this season only a B-. I think it’s about as good as The Boys S4. Maybe I should give both a C+ instead? Half the season was good to great, and then the other half made some questionable creative decisions….
Good to great: Ep. 1, 2, 4, 7
Bad to questionable: Ep. 3, 5, 6, 8?
Perhaps the strikes and WB only ordering for 8 episodes affected S2 to become worse. We should’ve ended S2 during the Battle of Gullet. So Episode 8 felt like a trailer to Season 3 or to an Episode 9 and 10 we should’ve got. If we had gotten 10 episodes, it would’ve finished with Gullet. Felt like Season 2 got limited by the budget and number of episodes.
HOT D S2 Character Rankings
1. Rhaenys
2. Rhaenyra
3. Silverwing (more character than the rest)
That’s it for me. The rest didn’t seem to matter. I know Alicent taking so many baths or dips in water is for her to cleanse the impurities she did with Criston but we didn’t need to see her keep taking baths.
We saw Aegon for half the season and only saw Otto for two episodes. We saw Tessarion but not Daeron. We get Tyland (mistakenly called Tywin) getting into a mud fight with a transgender TH-camr who also appeared in The Acolyte. Sharako Lohar is supposed to be a male in the book. I guess he still is. Or should I refer Sharako as they/them?
Baela and Rhaena were wasted. Jace is always complaining. Got nothing out of the Jeyne Arryn scenes except her acting like a total bitch to Rhaena. Ulf went from fan favorite for people who never read the book into a moron after a couple of scenes in Ep. 8. I didn’t get much out of the Velaryons this season.
It’s now official that I prefer Andor over House of the Dragon. I don’t have hopes from HBO doing this right. With Andor, while it doesn’t have enough lore building for Star Wars channels like Star Wars Meg and Generation Tech to talk about, it excels because Disney doesn’t meddle on what Tony Gilroy wants to do. I feel HBO is meddling too much on George’s work.
It still hurts that we need to wait two more years for HOT D’s Season 3 which I expect to be a banger. I’m hoping HOT D does the opposite of Game of Thrones. GOT started great but ended poorly. HOT D starts off a bit too slow but ends amazingly. I expect S3 and S4 to be superior to S1 and S2. And we got A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms next summer to hold us over like Gen V did last year for fans of The Boys. Only 6 episodes but better than nothing.
I wouldn’t have my hopes up too high for Baelor Targaryen, aka Breakspear. He is my 3rd favorite all-time character behind the Rogue Prince and Bloodraven. But after what HBO has done to GRRM’s favorite Targaryen in Daemon, their own “interpretation” of Baelor could end up far worse. We just have to accept the fact that HBO will dramatically change things, for better or for worse.
GOT/HOT D Season Rankings
1. GOT S4
2. GOT S6
3. GOT S3
4. GOT S1
5. HOT D S1
6. GOT S2
7. GOT S5
8. HOT D S2 ⬇️
9. GOT S7
10. GOT S8
I know GOT S8 is hated. But Ep. 2 was fun and Ep. 3 was still more exciting than most episodes that HOT D had. Maybe I should have HOT D S2 below GOT S7? GOT S7 still gave us 7x4 The Spoils of War and Euron savagely killing the Sand Snakes in 7x2. And 7x6 Beyond the Wall wasn’t that bad. At least we got Tormund and The Hound in the same scenes.
The Acolyte or Game of Thrones Season 8? I would still take GOT S8 but would turn it off after The Long Night. I don’t need to watch the next 3 episodes after that where Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet and Rhaegal easily got killed, Dany goes mad and burns KL, and Bran gets chosen to sit on the Iron Throne. Jon should actually be beheaded for killing Dany. Not get his old job back where the White Walkers are no longer a threat. Jon basically got a slap on the wrist. Jon got off better than getting detention.
I didn’t hate House of the Dragon S2. Still had some amazing cinematography and production values. The best set designs and costume designs in the business. I was still entertained by a couple of episodes specifically Ep. 2 and 4, but I can’t call it a great season overall. I was a little disappointed with the pacing, character development, and a few creative but odd decisions. Some of the story arcs for these characters went nowhere. If S1 was an A- or B+, S2 is a B- or C+. A letdown like The Boys S4.
Oh well, I’m still optimistic for Season 3. With no more actors and writers strikes to interrupt production, I fully expect S3 to be far superior to what we got from S2. Let’s hope for 10 episodes instead of a measly 8 and we get to see several battles in it. We just need to expect that HBO will never try to emulate what’s written in the book and accept these changes. See y’all again next year for the Dunk & Egg series. It’s coming in the same month as Andor S2. ThroneVerse/ASOIAF is still a great lore to be part of!
1. Loki S1 (2021)
2. Loki S2 (2023)
3. House of the Dragon S1 (2022)
4. Andor S1 (2022)
5. House of the Dragon S2 (2024)
Overall
1. Loki
2. Andor
3. House of the Dragon
BTW, is Sunfyre dead or is Aegon only assuming he’s dead? They need Sunfyre later to explain what Joffrey told Margaery in GOT S4.
All-Time Favorite Targaryens
1. Daemon Targaryen
2. Brynden Rivers (a bastard)
3. Baelor I Targaryen
Who is HBO going to ruin next? Bertie Carvel better bring it next summer! Duncan the Tall is a fan favorite among book readers. I expect him to have many fans for the show next summer like Daemon has prior to HOT D airing in 2022.
*A* *Knight* *of* *the* *Seven* *Kingdoms*
(June 15, 2025 - July 20, 2025)
Let’s hope for a teaser drop before this year ends.
HUGE SHOUTOUT TO Rhaena's eyeballs 👀👀
Green Men are a sacred order entrusted with the guardianship of the Isle of Faces in the riverlands. Horned with dark, green skin & according to Old Nan, "the green men ride elks and sometimes have antlers". This is what we saw in the Godswood, ie not Robert Baratheon in a horn helm 😳
@@yafavblerd It was a Green man ie one of the Green men - scared group of horned, dark green, protectors in Riverland.
What we missed from the episode is the action
Right? When the episode ended I thought to myself “Did even one person die? What a weird finale”
This is stupid. People need to be patient and focus on the story.
If you start off by inserting action scenes this puts the burden on the show to always top each action scene with the next one thereby building audience expectation which results in disappointment because no one will ever be satisfied.
The action is coming. The show is for 4 seasons. It's perfectly paced. Focus on the story.
It was somewhat underwhelming, but you can tell it's building to something bigger. I hope season 3 starts with a huge bang!
they said season 3 is all about war
Right 😂
Watching season 2 was like being a 10 year old during the month of December. Every week you go to some party or parade that gets you just a little more excited for Christmas. Finally the day comes and you run out to the tree and all you find is a list of gifts you will be getting 2 years from now.
It was like watching the 1st part of a 2 part episode of a 1990s TV Drama. All hat and not cattle!
Say what? Are you on drugs?
wrong
It was garbage. Maybe if they didn't short us 2 episodes the last two could have made up for the rest of the season doo doo
😂 it hurts so bad I was so pissed. And well said lolol
Daemon saw how awful GoT season 8 was and gave up his claim to the throne and his life.
season 8 lives in your mind rent-free how cool is that
@@RiaBautista22yes, keep coping, shil
@@barrannugrahakodri8695hes not wrong
@@RiaBautista22 lol season 8 simp. Didn't know your kind existed, how cool is that
@@BobBrophy78 we just call them Kneelers
It really took Daemon having the vision of "The Conqueror's Dream" to snap him back to reality and show his support again for Rhaenyra.
It was a slow process that began in harrenhal
Yes, thanks to Sheila the wolf lol (the witch or whatever she is)
@@l.c.7955 Alys Rivers the Witch Queen
No red currant...
We just watched an hour long trailer of season three
How original
You damn right
exactly 🤣
well you did watch 10h long trailer for GoT s2
@@gevorg1989nah bro s2 was boring asf
You missed the appearance of Otto Hightower, why was he in a cell and who took him?
Exactly I thought he returned to his home i was shocked 😲
House Hot Pie
Otto "A son who would take kindly to instruction", said the one betrayed by their own vision.😂
FYI: The antlered being in the Godswood of Harrenhal was NOT representative of any Baratheon. It was one of the Green Men that live on the Isle of Faces in the Gods Eye Lake.
Season 1: It's war
Season 2: It's about to be war
They are still trying to agree if they are at war or not. It is going to take a couple more seasons 🤓🦄🦄🦄.
Season 3 : everyone is fired. Putin writes the script. Netanyou directs. Trumps plays the Dragons (all of them).
@@rhysioeren3203 u right, got has 8 seasons, fool me assumed s2 of hotd will be the war season and everything will ends. I'm just gonna set my alarm for 7 years later, maybe I'll watch the final season with my future kids 😂
war takes time to prepare
Season 3: The rise of House Hot Pie
Ep 7 and 8 both had epic ending musics.
Did anyone else notice that, prior to the command :"GO", the last words Rhaenyra says to Alicent are in the form of a couplet in Iambic Pentameter, like the end of a scene in a Shakespearean play
My part is here, whether I will or no
It was decided for me long ago
I refuse to believe that this just happened. I applaud the choice
The figure beside the tree doesn't resemble Robert. it looks more like one of the greenmen, who protect the Isle of Faces.
I thought it might be the black goat.
It’s one of the children of the forests though..
Pretty sure it’s a Greenman. 💚
Game of thrones: Winter is coming
House of dragons: War is coming
Neither came😂
The war that never was
The war ought to be
Good god, why does everyone overthink the Wooden Throne? It's a wooden wheelchair indicating he's disabled now.
Also when he escaped King's Landing with Larys, they left in a wooden cart
Isn't the Dragonstone Throne made of wood? That's where will Aegon hide.
I thought in GOT they gave references to finding Brans chairs plans from a older Targaryen builders books?
It’s also a call back to GoT, where Bran sat the Iron Throne, but from a wheelchair.
I did miss these things because I was asleep for most of it!
Book readers will know that soldier with the horns was not about the Baratheons, but was a Green Man from the Isle of Faces who protect the Weirwood trees.
The last episode feels like a group project where nobody working together and working on their own and then when the presentation time is there, everyone immediately scrapping their work together without seeing any of the works first and when it comes to presentation, the results is mixed and the teacher gives it D- for lack of effort.
Seeing a three-eyed raven, Dany, her hatchlings, and the Night King in Helaena’s vision (thumbnail spoiler) worries me about what may happen to House Targaryen in Season 3. Did the Season 2 finale disappoint? I beg to differ. My expectations were already high, and “The Queen Who Ever Was,” a play on Rhaenys’s title, delivered big-time.
5:00 HAELENA is throwing spoilers left and right😂❤
she's spoiler-twin to Alys
Just like all the book nerds in the youtube comments.
Jason Lannister saying “ They will have my hand for this “ ! 😂
I think the wooden thrown is referring to a wheelchair like device of that time.
Well said
Halena made aemond cry, poor boy can't even shed tears from both eyes.
Those same person crying about the season being to slow with no action are the same people that were crying about later seasons of GOT being rushed
exactly. people just want mindless action it's so sad. Give me slow burn plot and character development any day.
Nah, there are slow pace and good like the films of Yasujiro Ozu and there are crap like HOTD that are slow and crap and having an asshole nepo baby as showrunner. Ryan Condal is just dumb and dumber 2.0
The whole episode feels like a 1 hour trailer for the third season
The figure at the wierwood tree was not Robert Baratheon. It's one of the Green Men.
I thought it was one of the children of the forest.
@Mikono888 No, the children are smaller and do not have antlers. The Green Men have antlers atop their heads. In addition, the Green Men are said to inhabit the Isle of Faces in the middle of the Gods Eye lake at Harrenhal.
@@flip9118 …I stand corrected. I do respect your knowledge of the lore. 👏🏻
Thank you! I literally came to the comments hoping someone would be correcting them, so wrong!
Doesn't Daemon and Aemond die at the God's Eye. The vision is foreshadowing his death but also showing that the Targaryen line lives on. It also shows him the dangers of the future that his line faces.
Helaena I think is the three eyed raven of this generation.
Nope. Ancient Valryins dabbled in magic. Its how the dragons were born and its similar to how Daenarys was fire proof. Having prophetic visions is not the same as being the three eyed raven. Helaena can see the future. The three eyed raven can see the past and all thats happening in the present.
@marvinhamilton6637 daenerys isn't fireproof, it was blood magic and 1 of a kind which is why she wasn't burnt also dragons weren't "born" it was blood magic yet again that aloud the bonding of normal shepards from valeria to bond and ride with them
Atleast 2 episodes missing. that wasn't a season finale.
great episode, terrible finale, 70 minutes trailer of Seaoson 3 😢
Now we have to wait a year or so for Season 3.
Or so, apparently. The Internet is saying 2026.
2 years
Two years. Production starts next year. There's gonna be 2 more seasons total to make 4
@@JohnnyNiteTrain HBO slashed this season to eight episodes and it looks like that's going to be the case for the remaining two seasons as well. No wonder GRRM is said to be unhappy.
@@RhaegarTargaryen1st It's 'salami publishing' - one thin slice at a time.
A Lannister created an unknown amount of offspring in the triarchy. So there's a little chance, that Varys or Thoros of Myr is a distant relative of Tyrion.
Rhaenyra: A son for a son
Rhaenyra and Alicent kinda forgot about Jaehaerys.
Alient knows Rha didn't order that.
@RockChick63174 irrelevant. There's already been "a son for a son".
I decided that I’m just gonna wait until the series is over to binge everything after getting blue balled after this season finale
😂😂
That's how shows get canceled.
The Aegon’s Realm Delight dialogue works amazingly well, if you remember that that was the same title the smallfolk gave to Rhaenyra when she was a child.
Honestly I thought “it’s all a story” was more so breaking the 4th wall
Aegon: The Realms Delight 😅🤣
The queen who never was moment brought a tear to my eye
Me too. When my boy daemon bent that knee!
We missed a actually finale
The story aspect was the prophecy of Bran, the story teller, becoming king in GoT.
pretty sure rhaenyra's concern about who pays the price when considering the focus on the dragons is referenced multiple times insofar that it is the smallfolk who suffer when dragons dance - dragons referring to both the creature and the Targaryens.
but also, i'm confident the creature noises for the horned being is meant to convey it is not so much a man as it is a Green Man, beings described with horns (sometimes antlers) and deep green skin. Green Men guard the Isle of Faces located in the lake of Gods Eye, and home the last remaining children of the forest South of the Wall, and where the last of the weirwoods in the riverlands still stand.
Harren the Black, the man who enslaved his people for 40 years to build Harrenhal, cut down the rest of the weirwood trees in the riverlands (outside of the Isle of Faces) in order to achieve such a feat. Sure, it could be mold or blood in the mortar that causes visions, or it could be pissed off Children of the Forest just across the pond, or maybe it's the blood of weirwood trees, which were the resting places for the Children greenseers (the very beings that likely gave Daemon that vision.)
1:45 that's young Rhaenyra's book nickname 😁
I really must find the time to read the books. On my list of things to do.
That wasn't a soldier with an antler helmet. That was a Green Man.
You can't miss anything from an episode in which nothing happens.
That was a "GREENMAN" from "The isle of faces "with the antlers at Harrenhall ..Not Bobby Baratheon....With his antler helm..Plus you hear them call ser Brune a "Traitor" when he turns up at Harrehall to see Daemon as per unstaructed by Rhaneyra
Yay, another HotD related vid by WM!
HUGE SHOUTOUT TO Rhaena's eyeballs 👀👀
The Emps delight 🍷
perfect
Yeah, the actual battles were missing!
This episode reminds me of the Walking Dead season 6 finale. All setup
I’ve lost my interest on this show. You just watch and watch and watch and nothing ever happens.
This season was a big pile of crap, we basically had a filler season. If next season starts out the same way im done.
The man with the antlers isn’t Robert’s line it’s a green man who is believed to be gone
or a child of the forest?
10:22 That's not Robert Baratheon but a GREEN MEN, a guardian of the Isle of Faces in the Riverlands. The tales claim they are horned and have dark and green skin. The green men also ride elks and sometimes have antlers.
I’ve seen a lot of people claiming that they recast the night king for that scene but for those of you who have seen game of thrones you should recognize that is not the night king but one of his white walkers we actually see in game of thrones
Top 10 things you missed from the finale - substance, action, fights . .
Maybe a wooden throne is the one at Driftmark
The figure next to the tree was one of the greenmen. They're the keepers of the Gods eye, which is next to Harrenhal and where the pact between the first men and children of the forest was signed. Nobody ever gets a good look at them. They see just enough to describe exactly what was depicted in the scene.
I am gonna miss this show 😢 2 year would be long now
In "A Song of Ice and Fire," the most powerful and significant character is actually Brynden Rivers, a legitimized bastard by Aegon the Unworthy. The reason Aegon the Conqueror united the Seven Kingdoms was to stand against the Night King, and the prophecy of Azor Ahai is believed to descend from Aegon's bloodline. Despite the victory of the Greens in the civil war, the second son of Rhaenyra and Daemon, Viserys II, would have a bastard grandson named Brynden Rivers. With Valyrian magic and First Men blood from House Blackwood, this lineage accelerates the potential Azor Ahai prophecy. The power of skinchanging or the Three-Eyed Raven is more formidable than House Targaryen's dragons, allowing them to continue ruling through the Hand of the King and Master of Whisperers, Lord Bloodraven. Despite being legitimized as a Targaryen prince, Brynden remains loyal to his half-brother, King Daeron II, after the Blackfyre Rebellion.
Brynden Rivers has the ability to manipulate the future through a eugenic program, ultimately leading Aegon V (Egg) to become king and marry into House Blackwood, thus combining pure Valyrian magic and First Men blood through incestuous marriages. From Jaehaerys II to Aerys II, the Targaryen incestuous line led to Rhaegar Targaryen, whose birth is linked to the Summerhall tragedy during Aegon V's attempt to hatch dragons, which ultimately failed. Targaryen madness is rooted in the Blackwood DNA, contributing to moral decay and insanity. Despite their cruelty, the Targaryens aimed for a greater and wiser purpose, as Brynden Rivers famously said, "The end justifies the means." Finally, the Prince That Was Promised is believed to be Jon Snow or Aegon VI Targaryen.
Good episode. 🎉
10 things you DIDN'T miss, pining, whining, floating around in the water, mud wrestling, running around in a field, BFF girl fights, walking around in a castle chasing ghosts..endlessly, HBO seems like it just wants to purge viewership at this point
Helena wasn't talking about her husband, she was talking about Rhaenyra's son.
* Aegon confirmed that his dragon is dead. According to the books, it didn’t die but remained harmed, just like its owner.
people complaining about the pacing even watching the same series? Its a slow burn series. Season 1 didn't really have that much action. The Dance of the Dragons was mainly a war fought in back alleys, rouge-like and with subterfuge. Building up slowly is exactly what game of thrones lost in the later seasons. Keep complaining about nothing tho
As a season finale episode, it sucked. Simple.
@@UnifiedEntity yeah cause they lost two episodes because of the publishers. Complaining about it online does nothing. It was a great episode
@@hurion Pretty sure complaints online are heard in numerous areas. It was a great episode to YOU, to many others it was not. If they lost episodes cause of publishers, then we know who to blame otherwise as a finale, again it was not good.
@@UnifiedEntity to you.
@@UnifiedEntitywaaaaaaah
We missed a season finale 😢😢😢
I still want to know how many wives Lohar has and if Tyland knocked them up.
What we missed are the two episodes they cut from this season. GREED is what I don’t miss.
🙄
Is the witch lady not the same actress as the high priestess who served in Mareen? 🤔
You missed the Otto egg. 😅
So who has him, etc??
Imo, Clubfoot has something to do with it!
I think wooden throne means... wheel chair
*The* *Queen* *Who* *Ever* *Was*
The episode was only 109 minutes when I thought it would be 113? They cut a scene from the leaked footage. It’s a scene of Alicent and Helaena escaping. They’re both sitting inside a carriage. The part when Alicent secretly sees Rhaenyra made zero sense. She’s practically committing treason. Told Rhaenyra everything including an injured Aegon.
Only five episodes earlier, Alicent told Rhaenyra it was too late. Was cutting that scene a way to have Alicent and Helaena remain at King’s Landing after it’s seized by Team Black? Scenes with Rhaenyra and Alicent were only created for Emma and Olivia to shoot scenes together. You can tell it’s a retelling of GRRM’s story.
The other extremely divisive scene and perhaps the most divisive scene happens to be Daemon’s vision. Unlike Preston from RedTeamReview, I don’t have an issue that fate determines a character although Daemon loses this option. He said winter is coming in High Valyrian and it was cringe. My biggest problem was what Southern Mother of Dragons and Red said. Why lean on the previous show and White Walkers?
Can’t House of the Dragon be carried by their own characters and not the backs of Daenerys and the White Walkers? It was great to see a book accurate Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven this time unlike having Max von Sydow (RIP). Joshua Ben-Tovim have eyes that beam like Cillian Murphy. The Night King did look awful like it was a cheap mask. Freeze frame it and it looks awful. Seeing the back of Dany’s naked body looked like cheap CGI/AI crap too.
I had no problem with Daemon finally pledging his allegiance to Rhaenyra but that’s always been the case. His visions will probably have a pay off later on as Alys Rivers did tell Daemon he has gained abilities of a greenseer since arriving at Harrenhal. I believe they’re leaning onto this angle after Daemon dies to explain where his body was all this time.
Season 2 didn’t feel it improved any of the established characters with maybe the exception being Aegon and to a lesser degree, Mysaria. I didn’t get anything out of Daemon, Alicent, Corlys, Baela, and Rhaena. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys were fine but they were always that way from S1. None of the new characters like Ulf, Hugh, Alys, and Jeyne stood out.
I voted on a poll on The Plot Twist asking who is my favorite character between Rhaenyra, Daemon, Aegon, and Aemond? I was a surprised Daemon won from 24K votes at 59%. Rhaenyra is at 28%, Aemond is at 10%, and Aegon is 3%. When I voted for him, it still had 10K votes and he was at 57%. Aemond and Aegon dropped 1% each since then for Daemon to gain that 2%. It’s obvious at least 90% of viewers are Team Black. Rhaenyra was beating Aegon 93% to 7% in another poll.
After S2 wasted Daemon, fans still love the D-man? I’m starting to question if he remains my favorite character as we didn’t see the greatness coming from Daemon because the writers wants to keep humiliating him because he’s no Paul Rudd. While I didn’t enjoy every moment of Daemon from S1, he was a lot better in that first season than this one. Let’s say Bloodraven or Breakspear becomes my all-time favorite. HBO will find a way to ruin them. They always do. Their only clear improvement was with Viserys.
Daemon in S1: 8/10
Daemon in S2: 6/10
Matt Smith could easily carry this show. Matt and his Daemon character have enough charisma to pull it off. But the writers wants us to hate everyone in the show not named Rhaenyra or Rhaenys. They’re the perfect ones while everyone else is flawed. Rhaenyra and Alicent can’t lead for shit but it’s the writers wanting us to hate Daemon and view him as a selfish bozo. They’re turning him as pathetic as Kylo Ren! No wonder GRRM recently threw these hack writers under the bus.
I know the Dance should center on Rhaenyra because this is her story but the writers are extremely biased towards her as if everything she does is correct or can be justified. I feel she will get whitewashed at the end. Overall, I will give this season only a B-. I think it’s about as good as The Boys S4. Maybe I should give both a C+ instead? Half the season was good to great, and then the other half made some questionable creative decisions….
Good to great: Ep. 1, 2, 4, 7
Bad to questionable: Ep. 3, 5, 6, 8?
Perhaps the strikes and WB only ordering for 8 episodes affected S2 to become worse. We should’ve ended S2 during the Battle of Gullet. So Episode 8 felt like a trailer to Season 3 or to an Episode 9 and 10 we should’ve got. If we had gotten 10 episodes, it would’ve finished with Gullet. Felt like Season 2 got limited by the budget and number of episodes.
HOT D S2 Character Rankings
1. Rhaenys
2. Rhaenyra
3. Silverwing (more character than the rest)
That’s it for me. The rest didn’t seem to matter. I know Alicent taking so many baths or dips in water is for her to cleanse the impurities she did with Criston but we didn’t need to see her keep taking baths.
We saw Aegon for half the season and only saw Otto for two episodes. We saw Tessarion but not Daeron. We get Tyland (mistakenly called Tywin) getting into a mud fight with a transgender TH-camr who also appeared in The Acolyte. Sharako Lohar is supposed to be a male in the book. I guess he still is. Or should I refer Sharako as they/them?
Baela and Rhaena were wasted. Jace is always complaining. Got nothing out of the Jeyne Arryn scenes except her acting like a total bitch to Rhaena. Ulf went from fan favorite for people who never read the book into a moron after a couple of scenes in Ep. 8. I didn’t get much out of the Velaryons this season.
It’s now official that I prefer Andor over House of the Dragon. I don’t have hopes from HBO doing this right. With Andor, while it doesn’t have enough lore building for Star Wars channels like Star Wars Meg and Generation Tech to talk about, it excels because Disney doesn’t meddle on what Tony Gilroy wants to do. I feel HBO is meddling too much on George’s work.
It still hurts that we need to wait two more years for HOT D’s Season 3 which I expect to be a banger. I’m hoping HOT D does the opposite of Game of Thrones. GOT started great but ended poorly. HOT D starts off a bit too slow but ends amazingly. I expect S3 and S4 to be superior to S1 and S2. And we got A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms next summer to hold us over like Gen V did last year for fans of The Boys. Only 6 episodes but better than nothing.
I wouldn’t have my hopes up too high for Baelor Targaryen, aka Breakspear. He is my 3rd favorite all-time character behind the Rogue Prince and Bloodraven. But after what HBO has done to GRRM’s favorite Targaryen in Daemon, their own “interpretation” of Baelor could end up far worse. We just have to accept the fact that HBO will dramatically change things, for better or for worse.
GOT/HOT D Season Rankings
1. GOT S4
2. GOT S6
3. GOT S3
4. GOT S1
5. HOT D S1
6. GOT S2
7. GOT S5
8. HOT D S2 ⬇️
9. GOT S7
10. GOT S8
I know GOT S8 is hated. But Ep. 2 was fun and Ep. 3 was still more exciting than most episodes that HOT D had. Maybe I should have HOT D S2 below GOT S7? GOT S7 still gave us 7x4 The Spoils of War and Euron savagely killing the Sand Snakes in 7x2. And 7x6 Beyond the Wall wasn’t that bad. At least we got Tormund and The Hound in the same scenes.
The Acolyte or Game of Thrones Season 8? I would still take GOT S8 but would turn it off after The Long Night. I don’t need to watch the next 3 episodes after that where Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet and Rhaegal easily got killed, Dany goes mad and burns KL, and Bran gets chosen to sit on the Iron Throne. Jon should actually be beheaded for killing Dany. Not get his old job back where the White Walkers are no longer a threat. Jon basically got a slap on the wrist. Jon got off better than getting detention.
I didn’t hate House of the Dragon S2. Still had some amazing cinematography and production values. The best set designs and costume designs in the business. I was still entertained by a couple of episodes specifically Ep. 2 and 4, but I can’t call it a great season overall. I was a little disappointed with the pacing, character development, and a few creative but odd decisions. Some of the story arcs for these characters went nowhere. If S1 was an A- or B+, S2 is a B- or C+. A letdown like The Boys S4.
Oh well, I’m still optimistic for Season 3. With no more actors and writers strikes to interrupt production, I fully expect S3 to be far superior to what we got from S2. Let’s hope for 10 episodes instead of a measly 8 and we get to see several battles in it. We just need to expect that HBO will never try to emulate what’s written in the book and accept these changes. See y’all again next year for the Dunk & Egg series. It’s coming in the same month as Andor S2. ThroneVerse/ASOIAF is still a great lore to be part of!
1. Loki S1 (2021)
2. Loki S2 (2023)
3. House of the Dragon S1 (2022)
4. Andor S1 (2022)
5. House of the Dragon S2 (2024)
Overall
1. Loki
2. Andor
3. House of the Dragon
BTW, is Sunfyre dead or is Aegon only assuming he’s dead? They need Sunfyre later to explain what Joffrey told Margaery in GOT S4.
All-Time Favorite Targaryens
1. Daemon Targaryen
2. Brynden Rivers (a bastard)
3. Baelor I Targaryen
Who is HBO going to ruin next? Bertie Carvel better bring it next summer! Duncan the Tall is a fan favorite among book readers. I expect him to have many fans for the show next summer like Daemon has prior to HOT D airing in 2022.
*A* *Knight* *of* *the* *Seven* *Kingdoms*
(June 15, 2025 - July 20, 2025)
Let’s hope for a teaser drop before this year ends.
You’re wrong
get a life man! gosh
What about daemon drowning?
The whole episode, in fact the entire season was like 8 weeks of crazy blue balls! & guess what. We all still have blue balls!
don't play with them then
A friend of mine was saying what if the night walker general with the white hair is dameon it's probably not but I wish we had background on them
The only way I’d have missed these things, is if I had my eyes closed.
Not many complaints about S2 but cmon... that ending!??
10:19 That is not related to Robert Baratheon. That is a green man, reference to the book
Or one of the Children of the Forest
10:07 those complaining about GoT finale are probably same people who didn't realise it was WW general, not NK himself
Roberts Battle Armor :D. This was a Green Man .... Isle of faces
These showrunners like that Ryan Condal know what they're doing as far as the overall arch of the show spanning 4 seasons. I was a bit disppointed with the cliffhanging ending but nonetheless this is a fantastic show, and people will argue with me but these first 2 seasons of House of the Dragon have been better than Game of Thrones first 2 seasons.
Daemon has seen season 3 in Godswood.
Daemon was literally hibernating at hallenhal.
@@rhysioeren3203 He got discounts and the stuff was really good to trip over there.
Sheesh you guys not realizing it’s green men is crazy! Lmao
Great Season. Great Finale. Great Acting And The Suspense Is Worth It. Went My Boy Daemon Bent The Knee 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
easter egg one of the white walkers is a targaryen
"Robert Baratheon in the Godswood... NOPE, you saw a Green man!!!
Green Men are a sacred order entrusted with the guardianship of the Isle of Faces in the riverlands. Horned with dark, green skin & according to Old Nan, "the green men ride elks and sometimes have antlers".
RAMSAY BOLTON USED TO BE RAMSAY SNOW...
The biggest Easter egg was how this story will end pointlessly
A trailer for season 3, damn what a tease
The person wearing the horned helmet with antlers was not a man. It's a nature spirit like a Children of the Forest or a member of the Order of the Green Hand, who live across the lake on the isle of Faces.
That's what I thought
Is the thumbnail the Night King? Is that how he's supposed to look in GOT?
The episode should have been named "the episode where nothing happened"...
Civil war from A24 was more realistic and a better portrayal of a war than this was
Episode 1 is war ❤❤❤❤
Is it just me or did actually no one died during this Season Finale ? Except of course for the 1000s of viewers who died from boredom.
Aegon the eunuch 😂
We like Lannisters, because they always pay their debts.
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Philosophy Tube went from a bad show (The Acolyte) to a good one (House of the Dragon, #9) in a single summer.
Dameon saw a green man not a soldier