2023 Ford F-150 Tremor vs Ford Expedition Timberline: Which is the Better Off-Roader?
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Andre and Alex take the Ford F-150 Tremor and Ford Expedition Timberline off-road to see which one is more capable in the most extreme conditions.
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Alex is probably the best presenter at TFL. He is articulated and 100% fluent on his lines, doesn't hunt for words and sentence, always knows what he's gonna say next.
Hi Alex’s mom!
@@marcg.3830 Hi Alex’s son!
Agree and he doesn’t sound or act so cocky like Case!
3:03 You mean the dude that can’t tell the difference between red and orange😳………excellent presenter! 🙄👈🏽
I prefer watching presenters stuttering and stammering. Makes me feel more normal
Keep the Expedition videos coming!
Finally, you guys are bringing back this format. This type of format is why I started watching the channel years ago, now, unfortunately it’s gotten way too much of a “bring your own truck to my property thing”. Keep these up👍🏻
As much as I like Tumbleweed Ranch. Also love the run of this off-road course.
Live in the mountains and have three kinds under 5 years old, plus and big dog and husband…my Ford 2022 Expedition Timberline is the best for our family and lifestyle!
The more is see the Tremor, the more I love it. Especially with the 5.0!
I "had" a 22 Tremor, nightmare from day 1. Where do I start, transmission issues, engine consuming coolant, distorted audio, grinding in front left of truck felt in the steering wheel, things rattling underneath truck. Paid $78K out the door, sold to Carvana for $40, 459. Dealer never properly addressed issues.
@@rays4408 Why didn't you look into lemon law? Many states have one especially as it relates to new vehicles. Also the number you sold it to carvana for seems like it would be the lowest 22 F-150 ever sold...
The Lowest 21 tremor on carvana is: 55K with 15K Miles.
The Lowest 22 tremor is: 58K with 22K miles.
If the dealer didn't address the issues did you at least try to contact ford?
The torque with the 5.0 sucks. Sounds great but weak.
I watch a lot of your videos, and I own a 2021 Expedition Limited 4X4. It's not as capable as the Timberline but I really enjoyed the comparison. Our lifestyle is better suited with the SUV than a truck at this time and we're 32K miles of happy with it so far. Great video guys.
I wanna see a video of Chevy Tahoe Z71 vs For expedition Timberline True competitors
I've been asking for a Timberline vs Z71 comparison for months, now that they finally have a Timberline here's hoping that we can finally see that comparison!
And Wagoneer with off road group!
Months later and still no channel has compared the two...fingers crossed it comes along one of these days.
I'd say the Z71 is more like the FX4 package. So let's see an AT4 v Timberline.
That is the 3.5 EcoBoost HO the same as the Raptor -10 hp, my wife loves her Timberline! It's a beast!
I've been waiting for one year to see Expedition Timberline content. Hope can see more.
Yes a Timberline vs Yukon at4x video is what is needed
Great video. I love my Timberline Expedition. However, I did swap out the tires immediately to Nitto Ridge Grapplers. It made a world of difference. :D
You’re right, I waited until 30k Miles and went with K02’s. What difference, now wife wants me to Tune it to 500 hp 😂😂😂
Love your videos TFL! And I love my Timberline; save yourself $10k and go with the 500a interior/tech package instead of the 501a
I always love your program, and Videos thank you 😊
Awesome thank you guys.
The 7:20 to 7:40 video shoot was pretty dang good congrats TFL guys.
Awesome video. Best kind of reviews.
That's more like guys a very useful vlog great work
Thanks for finally getting off road again!!!!
Great video - a set of Toyo ATIII (w/ the snowflake) would have made both trucks more grippy in the snow. I drove this winter on my first set of Toyo's and the difference is unbelievable vs previous Bridgestone and Micheline !!
Thank you for this video great job!
Use a V6 Diesel Everest 😊
I’ve been waiting since this morning 🤣
nice job, love my home trails.....for me Tremor since I have to transport bikes too, keep up good work, cheers V!
I have been waiting for you guys to review a expedition timberline. I would be more interested in an F150 FX4 comparison now.
Great video! Looking for a replacement for my 2011 Expy with 150k. I bought it new and am now off roading in Western North Carolina. Now empty nested and something smaller would be great. Looking at the gmc canyon at4. You are all making great content.
Great video!
Great video! I’ll be purchasing the Tremor here very soon.
So impressive for such a large SUV. I will never likely be able to afford such a beast, but very cool none the less.
Love it when you get out on the trails v Tumble Weed.
I love this video!!! Good job guys. Plus I think ford is kicking butt right now in the off road world
I understand that the technology which goes into these vehicles is what makes the price of them so high, but I have to ask, who are these companies building these vehicles for any more? $70,000, $80,000, sometimes $100,000+ for new vehicles? Really?! There has to be a point at which they're pricing themselves out of business. Regular people can't afford these vehicles!!
The problem is, we are affording them just fine.
As always, a solid review. Thanks guys. Wonder if I could get the latest, fully loaded Tremor without any of that orange, especially on the inside, just have those seats be all blacked out, the whole thing be blacked out, do you know? And regarding the Expedition Timberline, I wish I could get that fold out flat work surface of the front center console that is an option with the Tremor. I would use that so much, making my home office mobile along with my laptop and a hot spot. Interesting that the Expedition Timberline has a higher road clearance, wasn't expecting that, and that's relevant to me. Maybe an inch or two lift on the Tremor would make up the difference?
Cool. I live in Western CO and bought a Tremor (402 package) back in January. Have already taken it on several off-road trips, driven through plenty of heavy snow on roads and trails, and hauled and towed. Just an all around awesome truck for Colorado.
Great video and comparison also any idea when the rattler f150 is coming or did they kill that
I love these videos
FYI the stock tires on the Timberline are terrible off road. I have a Timberline and the biggest off road improvement by miles was new tires.
What tires did you get?
That turn assist is kind of cool, but I am imagining several guys doing it on the same spot over the course of a couple years. Seems like it would ruin a trail or cause washouts and ruts.
F-150 is arguably more capable, but I do think the Expedition is cool. I'd probably rather have the Expedition as a daily driver if cost was no object. I also bet it's fairly easy to lift it an inch or two, and go up a little with tire size. That would be an interesting project.
I think Ford should put the 5.0 in the expedition as a standard engine option and offer the ecoboost and powerboost powertrains as the premium options
Expedition Timberline v Tahoe Z71/Yukon AT4 v Wagoneer ORP v Sequoia TRD Pro?
I really want to see Ford make an Expedition Timberline with the Powerboost hybrid powertrain. I have three sons who will be quite tall and would love to see 24 mpg while being able to take it on any road I can find.
I have a 2022 explorer and I'm contemplating between these two models here!
Can you guys do this same test with an explorer timberline and a ranger tremor?
We walked away from the dealership after the salesman gave us his best price. This being a returning leasee and first responder discount. Not blowing my hard earned cash on an F-150. Prices are insane!!!
I love my 2022 F150 Tremor. Just got back from a cross country trip to Moab Utah (from Indiana). I will say, though, that it needs a slight lift in the front as the front chin gets too close to the obstacles when the front compresses. Also, the tires on the F150 Tremor are not LT tires....only 2 ply sidewalls. Don't ask me how I know.....
Great video guys!
Yeah thats the problem with all stock offroad tires only really duratracs have a 3 ply sidewall unless it is a 3/4 ton
That's the same with the Goodyear's on the new ZR2 and AT4X. And just like the old duratracs they're prone to sidewall blowout.
Yeah I was disappointed to find out how underwhelming most of these all terrain tires are on the newer 4x4 trucks. We bought a Z71 Suburban last spring and now 15k miles in we've had two replace one tire and patch another twice just driving around town and doing some light off-roading. I've never had tires quite this fragile before.
How do you know
I'm seriously thinking about trying to get some trade-in value on the Generals before I hit 2K miles on my 2023 5.0 (getting great gas mileage too). I was very disappointed it didn't come with at least KO2s or an equivalent.
i love watching these comparisons even if they accomplish or prove nothing.
My 23 5.0 has done great so far (surprising mpg). Peace, Love!!
How are you liking the 5.0? I think i'm about to pull the trigger on one
I'm at around 6K miles now. I'm very happy so far. I'm honestly more concerned about the long-term reliability as a "Toyota" guy, but that will take years to determine. After I turned off the lane assist (country roads and mountain passes) I am a happier camper. I honestly have pulled very little with it so far and have not done any extreme off-roading (I use my 2002 Taco for that for now). The rake is probably a little high, but that probably helps with mileage. The truck says I'm getting almost 23 mpg combined, but my calculations put it closer to 22. I'm not sure what to think yet about the cylinder deactivation (I know Chevy and Dodge have done it for a while, but I guess it is just cutting fuel to cylinders when not under load from what I've read). My truck doesn't have the auto stop/start which I am so happy about. I didn't ask, they just said it wasn't available due to the chip shortage. Initially, I ran it in sport mode to avoid the cylinder deactivation (and I initially thought I was going to supercharge the truck with the Ford Whipple to deal with the altitude), but after seeing the real-world mpg, I'm trending away from the supercharger. It easily pulls my cargo trailer while getting 5 or 6 mpg better than my Tundra did (at 6K+ elevation) and is plenty quick, but I haven't towed for much distance yet. Sorry for the book, lol.@@justinsoulier6305
@@kylesummers1565 wow! Thanks so much for all of the detailed information. It’s really helpful. I’m really surprised by the mileage you are getting with the 5.0. It’s very impressive. I understand your concerns with the ford reliability and I share the same concerns. I love the look of the Tremor and I just hope it’s reliable. Thanks again, Kyle!
You're very welcome! One other thing...If you are ordering the truck (which I did because the dealer models had things I didn't want and didn't have things I wanted (like the front Torsen differential), I think you will get it much sooner with the 5.0. I got mine within a month when they initially told me 6 months. Peace, Love!!@@justinsoulier6305
Booyah 👊🏽 😁 👍🏽 🇺🇸
Pretty awesome, I want a 5.0 rattler. And the expedition timberline for my wife
Unlikely that the Tremor was "starting you out in second gear" when Andre put it in 4Lo. It likely behaves similarly to going to manual shift mode where the indicator is indicating the highest available gear; meaning it's locking out any gears higher than what the indicator is showing. When it shows 2, you are not starting out in second gear; you are starting out in first, but it will only upshift to second and no higher. 2 means you have first and second gears available and higher gears locked out. Shift it to 5 and you have gears 1 through 5 available.
With the indicator in 5 and driving along in fifth, you can then shift it to 4 and it will downshift to fourth because now you are locking out any gears above fourth (manual downshifting which is useful when going down steep hills on the highway as well as steep hills in 4lo. In this video, they should have been in 4Lo to go down the hill, not only up the hill, because they could manually downshifting instead of the dragging the brakes all the way down.
So, it sounds like Ford is simply automatically setting the indicator to 2 since often, the driver will only want first and second gears available when in 4Lo. But then, the driver can shift up to whatever gear and allow more gears to be available though I'll also note that 4Lo usually will only shift up to whatever transmission gear is 1:1. Not into any overdrive gears. On a six speed, 1:1 was fourth gear. On a 10 speed, 1:1 is 7th gear, so one can expect 4Lo to only shift up to 7th and not the three overdrive gears (8, 9 , 10).
I love the idea of this comparison.
I think you have a major miss though, You didn't mention wheelbase or test an up-and-over breakover angle.
Second, it would have been nice to see a better turning radius comparison. Like Tremor with trail turn assist vs. Expedition w/out!
Can you do a part 2?
Also, I don't think you mentioned the gear ratios. The pumpkin on the Tremor is prob the reason for the clearance measurement.
Good to see Parker Schnabel on this channel...
Do you guys happen to know the approach, departure, ground clearance numbers?
What’s the toll rating on that vehicle? Do you know?
No you have it wrong you need both in the driveway!
Does timberline have front torsen limited slip differential?
That turn assist will be awesome in the those tight Taco Bell drive thru's.
Freeze frame at the 13:50 timestamp. Ford's leaf spring setup is not inspiring confidence for longterm durability and use.
The prices are just stupid high.
Am surprised TFL didn't show us images & talk to us about that Ford Expedition test mule that lifted with Raptor wheels. There are rumors saying, could it be an Expedition Raptor.
For the low low price of 150k (probably)
How do u do the blinking
I miss gold mine hill
Gotta do the explorer timberline and ranger tremor
Quick question: Can you get the timberline on the Long Wheelbase package?
No short wheelbase only, big reason I went with a limited Stealth version.
God I can't make up my mind if I want the 3.5TT or the 5.0 V8.
I'd be concerned about long term reliability, even with 5k oil changes consistently.
fox shocks ??? how come one of these equip with fox shock ???can we change it to fox ???
I want a 5.0 V8 tremor with the 401a package great truck better than a Tundra
I want to see the Ford Explorer Sport Trac V8 Gen 2 VS the Chevy Colorado and ETC. Midsized trucks from then to now comparison.
Nice one! I'm really falling for the Tremor!
The coyote tremor is sweet wish it had active exhaust like the raptor also wondering if you can get 4.10 gears in it ? Also wish you could get a 6.5 ft bed 😢
Max gearing is 3.73 😢
@@jamessudbury6943 to be fair, the 3.73 paired with the 10-speed is more than enough. Like the video showed it even defaulted to 2nd gear when in 4Lo.
@@ALMX5DP true true
Yes agree on 6.5' bed ! Tremor is not for me without a real bed for work & hauling kayaks
i'm waiting on them to offer a 6.5ft bed on the Tremor. Until then, 5.0L 3.73 6.5ft bed FX4 package with some aftermarket goodies
Hmmm it seems that expedition only needs better tires… probably could be a decent Colorado Mallcrawler.
I want a Timberline but I have 5 kids so I want the max size and they don’t make the max in a Timberline.
Should have thought about that before having 5kids. I think used school bus will suit your lifestyle better😂😂. I rented ford transit with 8 or 12 seats before and I have big family too. That’s what I will buy next
Both are very nice. I’ll take one of each 😂…oh wait I already have a Timberline and a Tremor but it’s a Maverick Tremor 🎉🎉🎉
Where is this overlook?
Where's the Explorer Timberline?
You could almost buy a house for those prices. 😮
Where do you live that houses are close to $90,000?
Outrageously expensive especially for something you’re going off road
Where is Tombstone hill?
Sure would choose the Tremor. V8
A 440 hp Expedition? Damn.
is this the tombstone hill near Breck?
nederland
You know I have experienced both 4 wheel independent, solid rear, and solid front and rear. 4 wheel independent is no where near as goood of a ride as solid rear independent front
My expedition max limited 4x4 has no rearlock differential,, hence,, not able to compare with timberline when climb at rugged terrain,, ,,, but max model is a foot longer more room/space,,
why ford doesn't make a long body one with lock differential????,
They do. You have the add the heavy tow package to get the rear "locking diff", which is really a clutch operated diff vs a true mechanical locking diff.
No Alex its cyber orange on that f150 like the bronco has
I think the Expedition is more practical if you have kids and dogs, but I would take the Tremor for offroading...
Wait what? When did ford start making the tremor with a v8? I still thought it was only with the 3.5?
I like the expedition but 74K for a ford suv is a bit ridiculous.
What's the backstory on that tombstone?
Remember when TFL actually took vehicles offroad? Pepperidge Farms remembers...
That not orange that’s red. And the other one is a lighter orange, but not yellow lol.
I love fomoco but they need to make a Ford expedition voodoo edition V8 powered by 5.2l voodoo V8 526 hp 460ftlbs.
11:24 whAT happened here?
If I’m in the raptor R I’ll just cut the tree 11:56
I think it’s weird that the Timberline has no option for LED taillights but the full LED headlights are available.
Gotta give buyers a reason to choose the higher end models.
@@ALMX5DP Timberline is a High-End Model.
@@willcultra3268 well true, I was just meaning more expensive models like the King Ranch and Platinum.
@@ALMX5DP 👍🏻
Both vehicles are amazing and capable. But expensive
Where is Nathan ???
Yuh, no thanks at those prices
I just don't like the 3.5 twin turbo. I prefer the V-8 all day. Both are more money than I want to spend on a vehicle.
Ford didn't give the Expedition a locking diff, not even a break-operated one? That's a major bummer on an off-road version, no? Jeeps have this even on Limited models.
Great video, highly enjoyed it.
Both are super nice & super capable but 8 still can't see where any vehicle is worth that kinda money, maybe I'm just old & stuck back in the 70's and 80's.
What's next motorcycles starting at 50 thousand??
NICE BUT WAY OUT OF MY PRICE RANG
That Expedition looks good! (As does that 150).Go the Ford!