One positive thing about locking progression to side quests is that it allows the side quests to be more interesting because the NPCs can react to the events of the world.
This title of this review has me Torna part. Seriously though, I'm totally grabbing the physical release for this. Monolith Soft is on a roll. I wish there were some way to implement the Driver-Blade swapping mechanic into the main game
Torna is a focused, condensed, streamlined slice of XC2 that managed to have its own special flavor. I agree Torna is the best designed Titan yet! The community system is great at getting me to know every NPCs, learning their quirks and dreams, falling in love with the people of Torna...and hence, making the ending even more impactful and tragic. It adds so much depth and pathos to Jin and Mythra's characters! Such a beautiful and sad tale...
My mind is twisted about the community system. The point is that each time there is a change it comes up and interrupts me playing and this is something i simply hate. I prefer the system used in Xenoblade Chronicles X which is much more discreet. The game itselfs is fantastic and i like that mythra. And i would welcome Minoth to XC2.
You can make it somewhat less bothersome by turning off registration animations in settings, but this only helps when you first meet a person, you still have to endure them being added on to your community.
The DLC also has that extra emotional edge because you're coming in already completing the main game, so your already know what happens to these characters in the end... Oof Lora why you were so pure.
I really don't think this would be a good first dive into Alrest, just because it spoils the ever-loving crap out of XC2's story within the first few minutes. Also, I really like the combat system in TGC too much at this point. If I picked this up first, then grabbed XC2, I'd have trouble really getting into it. That said, I loved just about everything about TCG. The massive pile of mandatory "side quests" that seem to be dividing folks *are* the story. Nearly every one of them is an exercise in world-building, much like the surprisingly lengthy side quests in XCX that sneak up on you when you find yourself needing to rake in the gold because you whoopsed your skell insurance away and need the credits faster than your probes can bring them in. Basically, while XC2 has a long central plot with scattered and disjointed minor subplots, TGC has a short central plot thread and a wide series of interwoven subplots concentrated around it. In XC2, it feels like Rex is only really known to a small handful of people all the way to the end of the game. In TGC, everyone knows you and your whole dang party by the end. Edit: Also, I actually enjoyed taking the healer role in TGC. It always felt really awkward to me in XC2, but in TGC, it just felt natural. Seriously loved the mechanics in this game.
Honestly I think that's an issue with the sense of scale. TTGC has only 1.5 titans, so focusing their efforts on creating one fleshed out titan is a lot easier than making 8 different ones on the same scale. XC2 does still make the sidequests more fun imo due to streamlining all of the key ones that you take as questlines instead of just one off tasks/favors. That being said, while your argument is sound, by virtue of game design, 'side quests' should NOT be mandatory. Sure people who play JRPGs are used to side quests and commonly do them because it's something that we as fans of the genre are drawn to doing, making it mandatory as a roadblock for the player is one of the worst narrative choices they could've made. Malos has activated the Tornan Titan, the city is in disarray, the fate of the world is on the line, so the next logical step narrative-wise is to go up and stop him, right? Nah. First clean up some litter around the city's yard, give a dude some fish, a kid some bugs, and help a brother out with his love life. Why would you force the player do a bunch of chores RIGHT before heading up to fight the final boss? It's just padding at the wrong point of time in the game. Sure world building is great and all, but there's a time and place for everything. And you can't even get community lvl 4 prior to the sidequest grind. Hell I did everything I had before getting needing to get community 2 and I still didn't have enough.
Yeah, you're right about making the side quest wall. I personally would've done them anyway without the walls, especially since they all felt more approachable and interesting than in XC2, but it did frustrate a lot of people who just wanted the trunk of the story. I think it could have been pulled off more gracefully in a longer game, by providing a more indirect incentive to complete them, like gold or experience.
@Statistic189 I'm not sure where to begin with this. Actual chapter 3-10 spoilers contained in TGC below the "read more". Within a few hours, you're not only familiar with Torna being a titan and not just a small organization, you're aware of flesh eaters, blade eaters, Amalthus not being the mostly hoopy frood he seemed to be when he first showed up in XB2, Jin's pre-XB2 role, Malos being an aegis, Mythra and artifices even existing, the part about core crystals containing the genetic information of every living thing in Alrest, and that blades turn into titans. It sucks the impact out of every little tweest in the story of XB2.
The community aren't good examples of well executed world building, they're forced side quests that do nothing but set up a random party character to have a line or two of unvoiced dialogue to reinforce or introduce aspects of their personalities. Idk they're just collection quests and a handful of combat challenges. I took my time with them and tried to enjoy to community aspect of the game since I knew it was required going in, but god damn I just wanted to get through them for the next actual story section. The girl trying to become an experienced driver is a good example of trying to make you care about shit you probably don't care about, they just want you to use the crafting system they spent time and money on. Not the most offensive quests ever, but I don't see how they aren't as basic as a video game quest could be.
Have not gotten to this yet I wanted to play xenoblade chronicles 2 again first before diving into torna. Will probably be picking up the physical copy on the 21 as I prefer my games that way.
I haven't finished the main game yet but the dlc looks so good I got back into it. It's fantastic, one of the best jrpgs i've played in years :). Will definitely pick this up after I finish.
I didn't really mind, but questioned gating progress behind side quests. However now I really do think that it added a lot of weight to the game at the end. Wish I'd paid more attention to some of the quests though, since I can't help but feel like I may have missed good info from some of the ones I rushed to add to my list.
I can understand liking the new soundtrack a lot (I do too, the remix of a certain character's battle theme is gorgeous and better than the original, Auresco's themes are lovely and the main battle theme is great, if not a tad repetitive in the long run), but I can not comprehend how anyone could like it MORE than the main game's. There's barely 10 new songs total, some of which are remixes of old songs. The main game completely dwarfs it in quantity (some 120 tracks), and easily equals it in quality. The lack of day and night overworld theme was also disappointing in Torna. Torna's main theme is great, yes, but it just can't compete against the combined might of Gormott's, Uraya's, Mor Ardain's, Tantal's AND Leftheria's both day and night themes all at once, and that's not even touching on the great variety of battle themes (both regular, named enemy AND boss themes), event music (The Decision, Tomorrow With You), town music, particular area music (Gormotti Forest, Land of Morytha, etc.). Don't get me wrong, I love both games' music to bits, but it just boggles my mind that anyone would pick Torna's over the main game's if given the choice.
They are really doing an excellent job of fleshing out the world and mythology of xenoblade chronicles 2. Something as detailed as this is something any xenoblade chronicles 2 player would definitely take advantage of.
@Sammy Star Whether or not it impacts the story does not in any way make it ok for Monolithsoft to have to require the player to do these sidequests to beat the game. The more logical choice was to just let the player have freedom with what they wanted to do. There's even a warning to the player that they've reached the final boss of TTGC, and that alone is enough to let players decide whether or not they want to tackle it while giving them the freedom to go back and complete any remaining side objectives they want to complete. Furthermore, adding to a story does not always need to be so intrusive. Take Bioshock. The majority of Rapture's lore is hidden in audio diaries scattered throughout the city. You're not required to find them, but it gives optional player incentive to go out and search for them should they want to learn more about this city under the ocean. They impact the story by giving the player a bigger picture to everything, but it's not so in your face about it that you NEED to do it. TTGC's sidequests do help the player learn and understand more about Alrest 500 years prior to the main game, but given how they're painted as optional objectives means that by virtue of game design, the player is not required to do them in order to complete the game.
@@PyraXadon No I hear ya. Some people like doing side quest all at once and some don't. So maybe this could of be tackled a different way to make both sides happy.
You saying "So, here it is, the best story related DLC ever made," while I'm sitting here going "Never played the Blood and Wine expansion for Witcher 3, have you?" Then remembered that Witcher isn't a JRPG.
Definitely have to agree with you. They did so much stuff better in a way I would wish the main game had those changes possible. Playing as Blade was awesome, Vanguard system is awesome, having field skills all the time is awesome. Camping and crafting really made an improvement to in depth character development as well as to how the game progresses. It overall felt more real, especially since there was no bouncy stuff and "Ayaaah!"(Just cant forget the first time starting XC2 ^^;) All in all I'm quite sad it's so short, and I did not get all the answers I wanted, but a lot of things were cleared and sorted out for me. Biggest surprises for me have been Addam's second Blade and the ending. Did not quite expect that. Loved it and only missing the last 3 super bosses. Think NG+ has to hold up for those since I dont like grinding after doing pretty much everything else.
Argh it’s so so good. I’m loving every second of it. I’m taking my time and enjoying being in the world of Alrest again. I can’t believe they came up with this for DLC. I agree though, is this a jumping off spot to get into the series? I really don’t know. Even I had to go back and get the series of events back in my head from the main game. But that’s not a problem for me and I’m loving every second of it.
I definitely love the pacing. So much faster. The community system and being forced to do it isn’t so cool but good thing I’m not there yet. Lol! That Soundtrack is the best I’ve ever heard on any RPG. On par with Dragon Quest which isn’t said lightly. Etika expresses exactly how I feel about the music if you watch his old video on this game. 😂👍🏽
made me think. we need teams in x2 so it saves say 3-5 of your favourite combinations. saves all their options and gear. so a gold farming team or driver combo team etc. you would save so much time.
I grabbed this game and played none of the XenoBlade Chronicles before it. And it did not bother me at all that I hadn't played the others. Still found the story interesting and loved the Characters. I don't know what happened before so what you don't know don't hurt. You dont have to play the other games unless your a big fan. And in that case you would of played them already.
I will be honest. I bought the physical game of Torna before the main xenoblade 2 game. I CRIED SO MUCH in then ending parts and i kinda became spoiled expecting there will be AN AUTO BATTLE in rex's game... but alas no LOL but i still played it and currently just stuck around in chapter 8 to get all tier levels complete somehow. The only thing that Torna lacks for me in my own opinion is more blades, especially MANY HEALER BLADES which the main game has and also other optional common/rare blades to use in battle. BUT JIN IS STILL SUPER DUPER BADAZZ AND HANDSOME! (With so many Jin ss i did 😂)
I'd like to see them add these fights to a challenge mode. Artifice fights, relaying the final battle which is by far the best final boss battle ever. And other special challenges. I don't think Monolithsoft has plans for anymore DLC for this or the main game and I'm not sure yet if I want to do New Game Plus yet.
Considering i knew the ending i was trying my hardest to beat everything beforehand. then at lvl 65 i breezed through the final battle with malos. Also if the base game allowed you to build up seals as fast as this dlc that challenge mode would be a breeze
M was not sure I wanted to play this🤔 I mean I paid for the season pass so I got it as part of the dlc🌹 and I even bought the he physical copy edition ❤️ I’ve just been on the Fence weather to play it??? Why you ask..... because I don’t want to get attached to the characters just to have them die 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I personally like this way more than the base game, especially combat and the likability of the main character. I like the main game, but this expansion makes me wish the base game had alot of the mechanics in this stand alone.
I pretty sure they went to Tantal when they evacuated right? I wish you could have gone to the titan they evacuated to and built the community there. That would have been better than getting community lvl 4.
I liked the DLC alot >.> the only thing i i knew i was not gonna like it was >.> we already know that there is no happy ending to this , what happens to Lora and so on =/
I mean, nothing has to be a happy ending, the entire premise of this game was to show that future can't be changed. No matter how depressing it is, their future was set out for them. This is a contrast to Xenoblade 1's philosophy to show how the past can be future even when there is no other path can be changed. (or at least how i interpreted it)
I felt the message of this particular storyline is that: No matter where your fate takes you, we must treasure the moments and people now. Help people out whenever we can, especially if we know it may not last forever.
Honestly, I'm just glad they had the decency to have Lora die off screen. [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]'s deaths already had me fucked up, but seeing Lora go again after all that would have put me on suicide watch.
Although I must say I’m not a fan of being forced to complete side missions to advance the story. In that case why call them side missions? But maybe I’ll understand more once I play it
I think it's good experience to start with torna this will make the main game more epic IMO, i am saying this being very familiar with the 2 part. There is some spoiler inside but then in the main game it also spoil torna so....
Like jay said, It's probably better to start with the main game, that way all the little nods to stuff that will happen later makes sense in Torna. But there are also merits to playing Torna first, since some things are left intentionally vague... Really, It's up to you.
Not sure if should be called dlc. More like a Expansion to main game would be better. But its still less than expansion. Also for people complaining abauth community, its lore more of less. Adam did help a lot of people like a hero.
In my opinion, Torna DLC opens up some more plot holes and leaves others unanswered. I like how blades have more usefulness in battle, but being locked to just using plot blades is just boring. Filling out the affinity chart is even more of a chore. Adaam's militia group does nothing. There is talk about monsters being forced from there homes, but nothing further is explored about it. Jin and Azurada parting contradicts the opening of the main game. A battle in Genbu and the destruction of Judicum are talked about in main game but never explored. And finally, I still see no good reason why Jin would join with Malos. Even though Mythra bares some responability for the destruction of Torna, the vast majority of the blame lies with Malos. Jin also knows why Pyra was created then sealed away. Heck, he and Lora saw Adaam off before Pyra was sealed. And since Adaam is a bastard, what was the nationality of his mother? Letharian? Knowing exactly what each collection point produces would be more helpful in the main game.
A good amount of these things do have reasonable answers, but the genbu battle is a bit too much of a plot hole for me, I can take judicium going down long before tgc, along with Jin joining Malos as that has Jin going through centuries of practical depression along with the fact he couldn't end himself, so joining malos is something I can take, but the random battle in genbu that was supposedly uninhabited at the time ( according to tgc, the main game implies it was inhabited) is something I can't really shake off.
Okay so real talk, I loved XC 1 and played it for hundereds of hours across Wii and 3DS. However XC 2 didn't interest me at all, from the first trailer I saw I disliked the game. I know that's kind of shitty for me to do, but the game's aesthetic and characters looked silly. Could I get into this one? Is it closer to XC 1? I dunno I just want to give XC 2 a go but each time I think about it I get turned off.
TGC's battle system is what XBC2's battle system should have been. It actually makes me a bit sad that it isn't. Hopefully, if they make a XBC3 (and they keep the Blade system or something similar) they'll keep and improve on these game mechanics.
Its sad but this most ppl i know don't really care about this expansion! I won't play it simply because i don't remember how to play XC2, its been more than 6 months since i played the game! This dlc took too long to drop!
I love your content and xenoblade 2 is one of my favorite rpgs of all time, but I hated this DLC even more than I thought I would when I found out they were wasting writing and development on a prequel. The story was just as depressing as I thought it would be. That’s the problem with prequels their job is to show how the world got so bad that it needed saving in the first place. Plus there can’t be any resolution or the main game wouldn’t have happened. So we knew all the main story beats going in and it didn’t even show some of the more interesting scenes I was expecting, the combat wasn’t as much fun to me with less blades, and I actually thought that Deathstar Torna got what it deserved when it sunk! I didn’t get to see what Adam thought of Pyra, or even a single conversation between her and the other characters. I was really looking forward to at least the scene where they decided to sink her in the cloud sea, or Adam charging Gramps with looking after Leftheria! Overall, not a game I will likely ever play again and one more reason I should protest prequels instead of supporting them. At least the rest of the DLC was great, here’s hoping for a xenoblade 2-3 or whatever that actually continues the story where it left us hanging!
As I’ve said multiple times, this is so much better than the main game. There is not one thing the main game does better. Better combat, better graphics, better UI, better characters, better mechanics, (so far) better story, better music, better everything. I cannot believe how incompetent the main game is in comparison. I wouldn’t mind if xc3 was like this.
How delusional are you? Sure, while there are some new tracks here, all of the boss battle and cutscene tracks were used in the main game (with the exception of the new Malos battle theme). While the combat here progresses more quickly to be engaging, it gets dull quicker than the main game, which isn't an issue since the DLC is a shorter experience. Blade combos being easier now makes them feel less rewarding. Only having the same 3 drivers and 6 blades means there's not any variety to mix up the gameplay. The vanguard switching mechanic was brilliant though. It makes switching feel more important. The story of Torna was quicker paced, so we get to the juicy parts quicker. But I dislike how people act like the main game's story is bad because this one has better pacing. The point of this story is to get insight to the main story. It enhances the main story by helping us learn about the heroes of the past and how the recurring characters were influenced in their actions and motives in the main game. Torna is a better built game from the day it launched, but it by no means make the base game incompetent. Torna is a less replayable game than base Xenoblade 2 is.
One positive thing about locking progression to side quests is that it allows the side quests to be more interesting because the NPCs can react to the events of the world.
This title of this review has me Torna part.
Seriously though, I'm totally grabbing the physical release for this. Monolith Soft is on a roll. I wish there were some way to implement the Driver-Blade swapping mechanic into the main game
It's worth it.
Torna is a focused, condensed, streamlined slice of XC2 that managed to have its own special flavor. I agree Torna is the best designed Titan yet!
The community system is great at getting me to know every NPCs, learning their quirks and dreams, falling in love with the people of Torna...and hence, making the ending even more impactful and tragic. It adds so much depth and pathos to Jin and Mythra's characters! Such a beautiful and sad tale...
My mind is twisted about the community system. The point is that each time there is a change it comes up and interrupts me playing and this is something i simply hate. I prefer the system used in Xenoblade Chronicles X which is much more discreet.
The game itselfs is fantastic and i like that mythra. And i would welcome Minoth to XC2.
You can make it somewhat less bothersome by turning off registration animations in settings, but this only helps when you first meet a person, you still have to endure them being added on to your community.
@@tygattyche2545 Did you ever find that you could turn off the option to be taken to the community tab whenever you talk to someone new?
The DLC also has that extra emotional edge because you're coming in already completing the main game, so your already know what happens to these characters in the end...
Oof Lora why you were so pure.
You know what's even better than this dlc? Your review ❤️
I really don't think this would be a good first dive into Alrest, just because it spoils the ever-loving crap out of XC2's story within the first few minutes. Also, I really like the combat system in TGC too much at this point. If I picked this up first, then grabbed XC2, I'd have trouble really getting into it.
That said, I loved just about everything about TCG. The massive pile of mandatory "side quests" that seem to be dividing folks *are* the story. Nearly every one of them is an exercise in world-building, much like the surprisingly lengthy side quests in XCX that sneak up on you when you find yourself needing to rake in the gold because you whoopsed your skell insurance away and need the credits faster than your probes can bring them in. Basically, while XC2 has a long central plot with scattered and disjointed minor subplots, TGC has a short central plot thread and a wide series of interwoven subplots concentrated around it.
In XC2, it feels like Rex is only really known to a small handful of people all the way to the end of the game. In TGC, everyone knows you and your whole dang party by the end.
Edit: Also, I actually enjoyed taking the healer role in TGC. It always felt really awkward to me in XC2, but in TGC, it just felt natural. Seriously loved the mechanics in this game.
Honestly I think that's an issue with the sense of scale. TTGC has only 1.5 titans, so focusing their efforts on creating one fleshed out titan is a lot easier than making 8 different ones on the same scale. XC2 does still make the sidequests more fun imo due to streamlining all of the key ones that you take as questlines instead of just one off tasks/favors.
That being said, while your argument is sound, by virtue of game design, 'side quests' should NOT be mandatory. Sure people who play JRPGs are used to side quests and commonly do them because it's something that we as fans of the genre are drawn to doing, making it mandatory as a roadblock for the player is one of the worst narrative choices they could've made. Malos has activated the Tornan Titan, the city is in disarray, the fate of the world is on the line, so the next logical step narrative-wise is to go up and stop him, right? Nah. First clean up some litter around the city's yard, give a dude some fish, a kid some bugs, and help a brother out with his love life.
Why would you force the player do a bunch of chores RIGHT before heading up to fight the final boss? It's just padding at the wrong point of time in the game. Sure world building is great and all, but there's a time and place for everything. And you can't even get community lvl 4 prior to the sidequest grind. Hell I did everything I had before getting needing to get community 2 and I still didn't have enough.
Yeah, you're right about making the side quest wall. I personally would've done them anyway without the walls, especially since they all felt more approachable and interesting than in XC2, but it did frustrate a lot of people who just wanted the trunk of the story. I think it could have been pulled off more gracefully in a longer game, by providing a more indirect incentive to complete them, like gold or experience.
False, it spoils nothing. At all.
@Statistic189 I'm not sure where to begin with this. Actual chapter 3-10 spoilers contained in TGC below the "read more".
Within a few hours, you're not only familiar with Torna being a titan and not just a small organization, you're aware of flesh eaters, blade eaters, Amalthus not being the mostly hoopy frood he seemed to be when he first showed up in XB2, Jin's pre-XB2 role, Malos being an aegis, Mythra and artifices even existing, the part about core crystals containing the genetic information of every living thing in Alrest, and that blades turn into titans. It sucks the impact out of every little tweest in the story of XB2.
The community aren't good examples of well executed world building, they're forced side quests that do nothing but set up a random party character to have a line or two of unvoiced dialogue to reinforce or introduce aspects of their personalities. Idk they're just collection quests and a handful of combat challenges. I took my time with them and tried to enjoy to community aspect of the game since I knew it was required going in, but god damn I just wanted to get through them for the next actual story section. The girl trying to become an experienced driver is a good example of trying to make you care about shit you probably don't care about, they just want you to use the crafting system they spent time and money on. Not the most offensive quests ever, but I don't see how they aren't as basic as a video game quest could be.
Have not gotten to this yet I wanted to play xenoblade chronicles 2 again first before diving into torna. Will probably be picking up the physical copy on the 21 as I prefer my games that way.
I was expecting a lush Temperentia in Torna. It wouldn't have been called something similar to temperate if it wasn't a more beautiful place.
It was called judicium
I played this first before the main game. I tell all my friends to start with Torna.
I haven't finished the main game yet but the dlc looks so good I got back into it. It's fantastic, one of the best jrpgs i've played in years :). Will definitely pick this up after I finish.
these puns are straight up Golden!
New gorrmont theme is amazing IMO
I didn't really mind, but questioned gating progress behind side quests. However now I really do think that it added a lot of weight to the game at the end. Wish I'd paid more attention to some of the quests though, since I can't help but feel like I may have missed good info from some of the ones I rushed to add to my list.
Great video bro and overall I think the DLC was fantastic
0:1- 0:12 What no Barney Rubble from the Flintstones? That aside, great review.
Now switch the main game's combat with this one and i'll be happy.
Played it stand alone not knowing what Xenoblade was. Absolutely loved it.
I can understand liking the new soundtrack a lot (I do too, the remix of a certain character's battle theme is gorgeous and better than the original, Auresco's themes are lovely and the main battle theme is great, if not a tad repetitive in the long run), but I can not comprehend how anyone could like it MORE than the main game's. There's barely 10 new songs total, some of which are remixes of old songs. The main game completely dwarfs it in quantity (some 120 tracks), and easily equals it in quality. The lack of day and night overworld theme was also disappointing in Torna. Torna's main theme is great, yes, but it just can't compete against the combined might of Gormott's, Uraya's, Mor Ardain's, Tantal's AND Leftheria's both day and night themes all at once, and that's not even touching on the great variety of battle themes (both regular, named enemy AND boss themes), event music (The Decision, Tomorrow With You), town music, particular area music (Gormotti Forest, Land of Morytha, etc.). Don't get me wrong, I love both games' music to bits, but it just boggles my mind that anyone would pick Torna's over the main game's if given the choice.
Torna almost made me cry twice and I’m ok with that. Very good review
They are really doing an excellent job of fleshing out the world and mythology of xenoblade chronicles 2. Something as detailed as this is something any xenoblade chronicles 2 player would definitely take advantage of.
If monolith continues the current trend of games, the next one will be an awesome action game!
I’m new to the series as a whole and I bought it yesterday online I hope it lives up to the hype and that the combat isn’t to bad
Best intro I've ever seen on your channel.
EDIT: Could you do a recap/story explainer for those of us that played both games and are still confused?
You know what this DLC could've used? Not having sidequesting be required. They're called sidequests for a reason.
Agreed...
This is just pointless filler for the sake of length.
@@Bornagainvillain I would say that if you don't realize has much it's impacts the story. But again I can see it would be some trouble.
@@sammystar829 should've made them main quests then. There is absolutely ZERO excuse for this.
@Sammy Star
Whether or not it impacts the story does not in any way make it ok for Monolithsoft to have to require the player to do these sidequests to beat the game. The more logical choice was to just let the player have freedom with what they wanted to do. There's even a warning to the player that they've reached the final boss of TTGC, and that alone is enough to let players decide whether or not they want to tackle it while giving them the freedom to go back and complete any remaining side objectives they want to complete.
Furthermore, adding to a story does not always need to be so intrusive. Take Bioshock. The majority of Rapture's lore is hidden in audio diaries scattered throughout the city. You're not required to find them, but it gives optional player incentive to go out and search for them should they want to learn more about this city under the ocean. They impact the story by giving the player a bigger picture to everything, but it's not so in your face about it that you NEED to do it. TTGC's sidequests do help the player learn and understand more about Alrest 500 years prior to the main game, but given how they're painted as optional objectives means that by virtue of game design, the player is not required to do them in order to complete the game.
@@PyraXadon No I hear ya. Some people like doing side quest all at once and some don't. So maybe this could of be tackled a different way to make both sides happy.
Minoh is a badass to play as. Also Mythra was great playing as her. So good
Been waiting for this - thanks Jay
You saying "So, here it is, the best story related DLC ever made," while I'm sitting here going "Never played the Blood and Wine expansion for Witcher 3, have you?"
Then remembered that Witcher isn't a JRPG.
You're sleeping on the Octo Expansion: took a game with a little story and turned it into a game with an amazing story!
Definitely have to agree with you. They did so much stuff better in a way I would wish the main game had those changes possible.
Playing as Blade was awesome, Vanguard system is awesome, having field skills all the time is awesome. Camping and crafting really made an improvement to in depth character development as well as to how the game progresses. It overall felt more real, especially since there was no bouncy stuff and "Ayaaah!"(Just cant forget the first time starting XC2 ^^;)
All in all I'm quite sad it's so short, and I did not get all the answers I wanted, but a lot of things were cleared and sorted out for me.
Biggest surprises for me have been Addam's second Blade and the ending. Did not quite expect that.
Loved it and only missing the last 3 super bosses. Think NG+ has to hold up for those since I dont like grinding after doing pretty much everything else.
MHworld Iceborne makes his big entrance.
i wish your videos were longer you would be a better channel
Argh it’s so so good. I’m loving every second of it. I’m taking my time and enjoying being in the world of Alrest again. I can’t believe they came up with this for DLC.
I agree though, is this a jumping off spot to get into the series? I really don’t know. Even I had to go back and get the series of events back in my head from the main game.
But that’s not a problem for me and I’m loving every second of it.
I'm close to finishing the main game, but I started the side story the other day, I like it way better than the main game so far.
I definitely love the pacing. So much faster. The community system and being forced to do it isn’t so cool but good thing I’m not there yet. Lol! That Soundtrack is the best I’ve ever heard on any RPG. On par with Dragon Quest which isn’t said lightly. Etika expresses exactly how I feel about the music if you watch his old video on this game. 😂👍🏽
That pun made me Haze’y and I had to Lora wolf to kill it
made me think. we need teams in x2 so it saves say 3-5 of your favourite combinations. saves all their options and gear. so a gold farming team or driver combo team etc. you would save so much time.
Lora and haze both voiced by Hayami Saori 😍😍😍😍 best DLC
HAYAMIN~
@blood starved beast ok whatever you say
@blood starved beast like i said. 'whatever you said man'.
im not even mad. lol, calm down.
I've been really enjoying it, and look forward to getting the main game
That title pun though...
I think x3 will be the story/origin of pnuema.
Yeah probably the best use of DLC i have ever seen. I want to get further in Octopath Traveler before I start Torna though
Monolith and XC2 need some kind of reward for best dlc content
I grabbed this game and played none of the XenoBlade Chronicles before it. And it did not bother me at all that I hadn't played the others. Still found the story interesting and loved the Characters. I don't know what happened before so what you don't know don't hurt. You dont have to play the other games unless your a big fan. And in that case you would of played them already.
Agreed, one of the best DLC packs yet 😁
Wow? You love a JRPG I'm shocked!
I will be honest. I bought the physical game of Torna before the main xenoblade 2 game. I CRIED SO MUCH in then ending parts and i kinda became spoiled expecting there will be AN AUTO BATTLE in rex's game... but alas no LOL but i still played it and currently just stuck around in chapter 8 to get all tier levels complete somehow.
The only thing that Torna lacks for me in my own opinion is more blades, especially MANY HEALER BLADES which the main game has and also other optional common/rare blades to use in battle. BUT JIN IS STILL SUPER DUPER BADAZZ AND HANDSOME! (With so many Jin ss i did 😂)
I'd like to see them add these fights to a challenge mode. Artifice fights, relaying the final battle which is by far the best final boss battle ever. And other special challenges. I don't think Monolithsoft has plans for anymore DLC for this or the main game and I'm not sure yet if I want to do New Game Plus yet.
I guess Pun Arm Dyne runs this channel now.
I cried at the end holy shit
Considering i knew the ending i was trying my hardest to beat everything beforehand. then at lvl 65 i breezed through the final battle with malos. Also if the base game allowed you to build up seals as fast as this dlc that challenge mode would be a breeze
M was not sure I wanted to play this🤔 I mean I paid for the season pass so I got it as part of the dlc🌹 and I even bought the he physical copy edition ❤️ I’ve just been on the Fence weather to play it??? Why you ask..... because I don’t want to get attached to the characters just to have them die 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I personally like this way more than the base game, especially combat and the likability of the main character. I like the main game, but this expansion makes me wish the base game had alot of the mechanics in this stand alone.
Ive never played any of the series and a lot of ppl are saying they like this one the best. If im only going to play 1 witch should I get?
I just finished Torna last night and I knew this was a Rogue one but ugh does it still hurt!!!
I Lora it. Nah thats a bit of a stretch. But very clever title and detailed review nice job!
I pretty sure they went to Tantal when they evacuated right? I wish you could have gone to the titan they evacuated to and built the community there. That would have been better than getting community lvl 4.
I liked the DLC alot >.> the only thing i i knew i was not gonna like it was >.> we already know that there is no happy ending to this , what happens to Lora and so on =/
I mean, nothing has to be a happy ending, the entire premise of this game was to show that future can't be changed. No matter how depressing it is, their future was set out for them. This is a contrast to Xenoblade 1's philosophy to show how the past can be future even when there is no other path can be changed. (or at least how i interpreted it)
I felt the message of this particular storyline is that: No matter where your fate takes you, we must treasure the moments and people now. Help people out whenever we can, especially if we know it may not last forever.
FACTS
Honestly, I'm just glad they had the decency to have Lora die off screen. [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]'s deaths already had me fucked up, but seeing Lora go again after all that would have put me on suicide watch.
How long is it though? I got to the point where you have to level up the community to 4. Do you fight Malos right after?
r we going to get some new interviews with the voice actors? ;)
Hated the main game's story, but Golden Country is fucking nuts
I fought malos at the 50 hour mark. I'm going for 100%
Does the physical release of Torna the golden country come with the season pass or is it just that one bit out of it?
The physical version of Torna comes with a code that redeems all Season Pass content from the original Xenoblade Chronicles 2. :)
@@JRPGGaming thank you so much. I've looked at places and never been able to get a definitive answer as to either yes or no.
Can you actually play as Jin, he's the character that really interests me
Although I must say I’m not a fan of being forced to complete side missions to advance the story. In that case why call them side missions? But maybe I’ll understand more once I play it
Depression the story
there are other blades?
I have xenoblade chronicles 2 but not thee expansion pass
That intro 🤨
I will probably play Xenoblade 2 soon....what would be better to play first Torna or the main game?
I think it's good experience to start with torna this will make the main game more epic IMO, i am saying this being very familiar with the 2 part.
There is some spoiler inside but then in the main game it also spoil torna so....
Like jay said, It's probably better to start with the main game, that way all the little nods to stuff that will happen later makes sense in Torna. But there are also merits to playing Torna first, since some things are left intentionally vague... Really, It's up to you.
Best to go with xeno --- as some things in torna are big spoilers to main story. Like telling who the main characters is and it can kill a suprise.
It really is your choice, your experience will be very different though depending on which one you start with
I think Torna is hands down the better game, but story wise it might be best to start with xc2 (even though I think tgc has a better story as well)
ni no kuni ii had kinda of a road block if you do not recruit civilians
32h? nice, one of mianstream review says it only for12h and i fear it lacking content like for it price, but 30h is nice :)
MrValgard i did it in about 20 hours with minimal amounts of side quests done
I did it in 15 the main story only like 9 hours. Nintendo lied about it being 70% the length of the main story.
Not sure if should be called dlc. More like a Expansion to main game would be better. But its still less than expansion.
Also for people complaining abauth community, its lore more of less. Adam did help a lot of people like a hero.
In my opinion, Torna DLC opens up some more plot holes and leaves others unanswered. I like how blades have more usefulness in battle, but being locked to just using plot blades is just boring. Filling out the affinity chart is even more of a chore. Adaam's militia group does nothing. There is talk about monsters being forced from there homes, but nothing further is explored about it. Jin and Azurada parting contradicts the opening of the main game. A battle in Genbu and the destruction of Judicum are talked about in main game but never explored. And finally, I still see no good reason why Jin would join with Malos. Even though Mythra bares some responability for the destruction of Torna, the vast majority of the blame lies with Malos. Jin also knows why Pyra was created then sealed away. Heck, he and Lora saw Adaam off before Pyra was sealed. And since Adaam is a bastard, what was the nationality of his mother? Letharian? Knowing exactly what each collection point produces would be more helpful in the main game.
A good amount of these things do have reasonable answers, but the genbu battle is a bit too much of a plot hole for me, I can take judicium going down long before tgc, along with Jin joining Malos as that has Jin going through centuries of practical depression along with the fact he couldn't end himself, so joining malos is something I can take, but the random battle in genbu that was supposedly uninhabited at the time ( according to tgc, the main game implies it was inhabited) is something I can't really shake off.
Okay so real talk, I loved XC 1 and played it for hundereds of hours across Wii and 3DS. However XC 2 didn't interest me at all, from the first trailer I saw I disliked the game. I know that's kind of shitty for me to do, but the game's aesthetic and characters looked silly.
Could I get into this one? Is it closer to XC 1? I dunno I just want to give XC 2 a go but each time I think about it I get turned off.
Real talk. Play the fucking game.
You not gonna make a final Review to dragon Quest xi ?
It's coming, I've been sick for over a week and trying to catch up as quick as I can.
@@JRPGGaming Get better soon!
TGC's battle system is what XBC2's battle system should have been. It actually makes me a bit sad that it isn't. Hopefully, if they make a XBC3 (and they keep the Blade system or something similar) they'll keep and improve on these game mechanics.
I'm satisfied I saw it's better than the base game and on par with persona 5.
My excitement is immeasurable
Its sad but this most ppl i know don't really care about this expansion! I won't play it simply because i don't remember how to play XC2, its been more than 6 months since i played the game! This dlc took too long to drop!
I love your content and xenoblade 2 is one of my favorite rpgs of all time, but I hated this DLC even more than I thought I would when I found out they were wasting writing and development on a prequel.
The story was just as depressing as I thought it would be. That’s the problem with prequels their job is to show how the world got so bad that it needed saving in the first place. Plus there can’t be any resolution or the main game wouldn’t have happened. So we knew all the main story beats going in and it didn’t even show some of the more interesting scenes I was expecting, the combat wasn’t as much fun to me with less blades, and I actually thought that Deathstar Torna got what it deserved when it sunk!
I didn’t get to see what Adam thought of Pyra, or even a single conversation between her and the other characters. I was really looking forward to at least the scene where they decided to sink her in the cloud sea, or Adam charging Gramps with looking after Leftheria!
Overall, not a game I will likely ever play again and one more reason I should protest prequels instead of supporting them. At least the rest of the DLC was great, here’s hoping for a xenoblade 2-3 or whatever that actually continues the story where it left us hanging!
As I’ve said multiple times, this is so much better than the main game. There is not one thing the main game does better. Better combat, better graphics, better UI, better characters, better mechanics, (so far) better story, better music, better everything. I cannot believe how incompetent the main game is in comparison. I wouldn’t mind if xc3 was like this.
better graphics? i thought it was using the same game engine?
It doesn't have a better story, it doesn't have better characters and the graphics are the same. You disgusting liar.
How delusional are you? Sure, while there are some new tracks here, all of the boss battle and cutscene tracks were used in the main game (with the exception of the new Malos battle theme). While the combat here progresses more quickly to be engaging, it gets dull quicker than the main game, which isn't an issue since the DLC is a shorter experience. Blade combos being easier now makes them feel less rewarding. Only having the same 3 drivers and 6 blades means there's not any variety to mix up the gameplay. The vanguard switching mechanic was brilliant though. It makes switching feel more important.
The story of Torna was quicker paced, so we get to the juicy parts quicker. But I dislike how people act like the main game's story is bad because this one has better pacing. The point of this story is to get insight to the main story. It enhances the main story by helping us learn about the heroes of the past and how the recurring characters were influenced in their actions and motives in the main game. Torna is a better built game from the day it launched, but it by no means make the base game incompetent. Torna is a less replayable game than base Xenoblade 2 is.
XC2 is my 1st switch game and it still is my fav one even after i bought many games after it. oh and zelda botw is overrated af. so boring.
Square Enix Business Division 2 desperately needs to learn from this