Why I Quit Kratom - Quitting Kratom - How to Quit Kratom
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A few months back, I made the decision to quit kratom. While I still support its use and believe it helps a lot people, I needed to stop taking kratom to address some underlying issues and to see what my baseline was without kratom in my system. My process of getting off kratom was more intense than I had expected. I share my reasons why I quit kratom in this video.
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I was on kratom for about 5 years 40 grams per day. I tappered to 20 grams then to 8 grams then 4 grams and then cold turkey. That month was not easy but i made it. You cant get away from it without some form of pain. Now im 7 month off kratom and dont even think about it anymore and have 0 plan of doing it again. Being clean is way better.
Same boat.
Any negative side effects from such a long use? Over time I developed extreme brain fog, short term memory is ruined, problem solving is impossible, I cant do math or basically any other though in my head anymore. Im clean now for 4 months and I still feel like Im withdrawing! Fked up depression, suicidal, absurd anxiety almost anxiety attacks. Made me extremely dumb-lost like 30IQ, im slow, confused, deep derealisation, weak as hell, lost sex drive, motor skills in walk and hand movements. It ruined my life and nothing is getting better as I went clean. Im losing any hope
@@kovam1234I would suggest trying some nootropics. Like lions mane, cordyceps, L theanin , b12, caffeine, and many other great natural plant based stuff. Many help restore and rebuild brain and nerve cells
Hey, I hope you're doing better. Are there any improvements so far? You may be deficient in some minerals/vitamins? Doesn't hurt to take a blood panel and test for any deficiencies. What has really helped the fatigue for me is a good non synthetic multi, pasture raised raw egg yolks,magnesium glycinate and tons of good, clean water! @kovam1234
Only about one week ago, kratom suddenly began seemingly pulling me down and worsening my mood/mindstate rather than helping it, as it had for a very long time.
I quit drinking with the help of God, AA, and kratom, so I believe my spirit is now maturing to the point where it may be time to let the kratom go, as well. However I, too, am battling withdrawal.
I have *drastically* lowered my dosage over the course of this week compared to usual. But cutting off that last amount has been difficult. I’m trusting in Jesus (I’m Christian as well) to pull me through and deliver me.
Thank you for this video.
Jesus wont take away withdrawal you need to get a few Suboxone and Gabapentin . You can quit cold turkey and skip withdrawal completely. Or you can suffer.
Hey man how’s it going? Did you ever get thru it? I need some help😢
Thank you Jesus! Praise the King!!
Kratom stages (for addicts)
1. Magic
2. Medication
3. Misery
Yup....
Kratom is awesome and then it stops working.
Yup. Misery was what it brought me and then I needed treatment to stop.
OMG.. I’ve never heard a truer comment on Kratom. This is my lived experience and would likely apply to all/most drugs of abuse
@@Al-Gore-ithm It not only stops working, it starts causing many of the negative things in your life.
@@whitneyw.7919 true story. It's amazing when you first start taking it. The euphoria, the mood enhancement, the pain relief, energy I mean the list goes on and on. But thst all comes to a screeching halt and becomes an absolute nightmare.
I am SO SO THANKFUL for these videos! I haven’t found anyone else at all that talks about God and kratom, I am in the position I am dependent on kratom and I don’t like it and I know God wants me to taper it down. Not that it’s bad in itself but the dependence thing like you’re saying. I want to depend on God again and not be on a substance that I get the feeling of “I need to take another dose because this euphoria is wearing off”. I used to always be sober and I had joy once I accepted God into my life. I love how you are not religious and you are showing people what it’s like to be someone who loves God. There’s a lot of Pharisees out there.. Gods love is what brings people to Him, not religion. I pray for Gods protection on your life since I’m sure the kingdom of darkness will be trying to get at you. Keep this up! 😊
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
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this is exactly why i’m quitting after 12 years (OMGosh 😮) I hate being a slave to kratom. I don’t want to depend on anything besides the Lord ❤
What is your dosage like after 12 years? Do you ever good a good buzz from it or is it solely to stave off withdrawals? I wish you the best.
I’ve come off now day 4. Kratom really helped with my depression and anxiety but I hated the fact that my life revolved around it and I hated that I had to organise everything around it. Addressing issues and therapy has been very helpful
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
That sucks your old channel got shut down, loved your videos
It does :(
I’m looking forward to hearing how you tapered down Joey. Thanks for all you’ve done with educating the Kratom community. I am interested in taking a break as well.
Coming soon!
I was on 70+ GPD for a year and a half... I quit cold turkey almost 3 months ago.. first 3 days sucked ... nothing like heroin withdrawal but it was enough to keep me out of work. The next month and a half was just a little better every day. The P.A.W.S. are pretty shitty and you feel weird for a solid month, but now I feel like a new man, free from that prison of sneaking in that next dose. Don't use this stuff for a mood boost or anxiety ... it only makes it harder later on.
How true!!! I've realized I've been in a "fog" for the past 5 years! Down to 2.6 GPD and I want to be off completley within another week or two.
How'd you take that much without puking? I pretty much couldn't go past 30÷/- gpd or I'd get sick. I took green maeng da. May be different per strain
I have taken a 5 month break from Kratom. I plan to use as needed sometime in the future, in the Philippines, carefully adjusting my doses for what needs to be done. It’s hot over there and I’ll need the help every so often.
I too am a Christian and have to weigh the balance between use and dependence.
Yeah, it works so well - that's the problem, lol
Did you suffer from any hair loss while on k(
@@themeangene: No. But considering I’m cue ball bald, I couldn’t really tell😩
Yes I'm in the process of reducing my dose and shooting to get it from daily use back to using 2-3 times a week
@@themeangeneI’ve been taking kratom for 4 years now and I have male pattern baldness. A couple years ago I decided to go to a dermatologist and they prescribed me finasteride and ever since then my hair’s been restored where I didn’t already lose hair. I highly recommend you look into finasteride if you feel like you’re losing hair. I feel like more often than not the people who blame kratom for hair loss just start taking around the age where dude just generally start balding. I was balding before kratom and since taking finasteride my hair’s looked better than it has in years. Good luck.
Joey’ you channel and Kratom use helped me get through depression, rheumatoid arthritis pain, post traumatic stress from a brain injury. I’m with the brother now that some things have gotten better. I have wing myself off of it as well, but still have it just in case my RA flare up is intense.
Thank you for your help and please continue to post
Kratom is great mostly because it doesnt cause respatory depression, its a fascinating plant
It is very fascinating
Mostly because it doesn't cause respiratory depression? Lol
@@Thehomiemike619 yes, ppl dont die from it
@@Thehomiemike619same reaction here lol.
Maybe he's saying other opioid cause that deppression? Idk
I’m in the same exact place with tapering and God. Want to make my own dopamine with proper eating exercise, fasting, supplements, Cold baths and sauna. God bless Joey.
First of all I want to congratulate you Joey and secondary i want to say thank you for sharing so much with us. Find myself somewhat dependent on Kratom but I also do feel it's time for me to start taking a break and focusing on other things that require my full attention. I wish you the best and again thank you for everything that you've done for the community
Thank you so much!
I can't thank you enough for your transparency and sharing of your experience, Joey. I started 5 years ago, when it was clear my sister was going to pass due to metastatic cancer. I hurt for everyone that was going to lose her. My Dad, her 4 kids, her awesome community, and my own pain. I found that just a little bit every three days or so offered a lift. Then it was more and more up to 3x daily. I want it out of my life. I did one day cold turkey and it took me right back to the raw pain of her death, the nostalgia was overwhelming. On day 2, I allowed myself a 1/4 of a teaspoon to take the edge off and couldn't believe that tiny bit helped a little because I was consuming so much more. I am on day 4, thanks to your videos Joey. Your experiences help me to anticipate, concur and ESPECIALLY important: keep me out of my own head. I too am finding exercise as a wonderful replacement, as well as Joe Dispenza meditations and prayer. Bless you and the sharing of your journey🙏🏻
Hello Joey, I am the Tampa wedding filmmaker that met you for coffee month's back.
I have actually been having simular convictions. I am a Christian and Kratom has been enormously helpful for me in difficult times but recently I started to realize that Kratom has become "the thing I go to" instead of friends and God as a way of dealing with things.
I found your first channel during a time period in my life where it really helped me learn about the benefits of Kratom.
And I rediscovered your new channel now, during this new time when i have been having these convictions to move on from it and lean much more on God through difficult times than I have been.
Your channel/s have been enormously helpful and I am really looking forward to this new one.
As always I appreciate your work.
Hey man! Good to hear from you! I remember you. You got this!
I'm so happy for you Joey and keep up the good work. Thank you for being so transparent and authentic. I will be following you because I too am tapering off kratom. I have epilepsy so I have to be extremely careful. I have been tapering off for a couple of months now and am down from 20 g a day to five. That last five is probably going to be the most difficult. I can't wait to hear what you have found works for you. Stay strong 💪
I appreciate that!
That’s good bro. I’m currently trying too taper off myself. I’ve changed my diet as well. Have cut out a lot of junk food and I’ve been feeling the changes in my body. Did you notice any physical or mental changes when you started tapering?
Bless you Brother, for being a significant Soul, compassionate, and unconditionally selfless caring!
2 weeks ago I started to taper off kratom. I was taking about 20 grams a day. I'm now down to 2grams 3x a day. I'm having minimul withdrawal so far. Actually I feel much better than I've felt in a long time. Been doing kratom everyday for 5yrs. I'm hoping to be done with it in another 30 days. This doesn't mean I won't take it again it was just time to get things right in my brain. Iam a believer like Joey and I need to depend on my faith more not the kratom crutch. I have chronic pain, depression and severe anxiety but so far I handling this very well and like said I'm feeling really good for the most part.
Hi Joey. I used to watch ALL your kratom videos and they helped me taper and not abuse it. I been on it for four years so far and I know what it got like letting go. I know how it feels to rediscover your true self buried from the kratom haze/bandage and I just want to say I am very proud of you. I'm not religious but God or the universe wants us to live life sober with no crutch and it's really hard but worth it. I been diagnosed with a lot of issues and kratom helped me a lot in the beginning but now I been tapering aggressively because I feel the signs from life that it been a good ride and time to let go for now. But hard because kratom felt like a cheap natural therapist. But we all have to face ourselves and pain one day or another.
Thats about as true as it gets when people are doing things to better themselves... ☝☝☝ currently im on day 12 post quitting...
Thank you for choosing to share your story of how your journey went. W I also want to quit kratom. It just feels so scary to me as I have been on a long time. The more information I have, the more confident I feel in achieving this goal.
I totally get that.
Ive been addicted to kratom and gotten clean from it several times. Im about to get off of it again for the last time as i hate being dopesick ... the way i do it is i taper off for about a week. Set a strict dosage schedule and stick to it. Gradually reducing the dose over an extended period of time. The goal is to get down to maybe a teaspoon per dose no more than 1 every 6 hours. Then, when you have a few days off preferably at least a weekend, cut off entirely. Accept the fact that youre gonna be uncomfortable for a while. It sucks but oh well. Keep your mind busy, you probably wont be able to sleep. Take hot baths and excercise if you can. Thats about as easy as its gonna get. Good luck everyone
Been following your channel "Joey Talks" for a while and have always enjoyed your content! I've been taking Kratom for 2 years now, though I tend to take frequent breaks once the effects aren't as profound. As an artist, It helps so much with my concentration and manages my daily pains. There's a fine balance with it that needs to be considered though, but definitely has some addictive properties to it. I believe it's certainly a better alternative than chemically induced Pharmaceuticals, especially for its price, but should be used when needed. Taking frequent breaks has been well worth the venture for me personally. Thanks for sharing Joey!😎👍⚡
Thanks for sharing this video Joey. I’m Muslim and truly speaks to me. I respect your passion in your faith. This is why I want to quit kratam. I went from finding relief in prayer to seeking double doses of Kratam. In a way I started to feel less disciplined and more dependent on external things for happiness and inner peace and piece of mind. God bless you bro and I wish you luck on your journey🙏🏾
My brother! I get it and with Gods power you can do it ❤️
I love this ! Feel like I needed to hear this cuz I too used kratom to help with motivation and my recent alcohol addiction but I too am dependent on it and just wanna healthier relationship with it and use it in moderation every once in awhile so ima try that tomorrow and see where I go from there just ready to find motivation from within and solve my problems naturally and just pray to god and let him guide me and enjoy life !
Love you man, good luck!!
Thanks for being honest. I’m on day 5 of quitting and struggling a lot. The anadonia is awful and I’m exhausted. Barely slept 2 hours last night. Also believe in Jesus and am praying all day… it’s extremely difficult to go to work and interact with anyone right now and stress seems insurmountable, but I am going to stick it out.
Got started on kratom after a dental procedure I had back in 2019 (bone graft and gum graft on 3 molars) and just kept taking it daily for all these years. I thought it was the miracle cure to all of my ailments- physical and emotional, but every time I’d tried to quit, the withdrawals were so bad I would always reach for another scoop and the cycle would continue.
I feel deeply for anyone trying to get off this substance because it is the hardest thing I’ve ever done…. Have had 10+ broken bones and orthopedic surgeries amongst many other challenges in my life, and nothing compares to withdrawals. I was hooked on pain killers around 2012 for about 6 months after a jaw surgery and I remember those withdrawals being bad, but surprisingly Kratom withdrawal feels worse. I am so tired of being dependent on it.
Love this video. Loved that you opened up about Jesus and religion. Thanks for opening up and being vulnerable my friend
Hi Joey. I had seen other videos of yours in the past and really liked them. I’ve been taking kratom now for just over three years, it definitely has worked miraculous wonders for me as I’ve been a chronic pain suffer, and it has also helped in many other ways. I also live with CPTSD due to lots of past trauma, I deal with deep depression and anxiety as well.
I feel it’s time for me to taper off kratom to take a break from it. I’d like to get back to where I use to be at one time where I would not take it everyday or not take it for a week or weeks at a time. I definitely will be watching for more of your videos in how you tapered off. It’s nice to see that you’re back. :)
The fact that your channel got shut down while you were tapering is not a coincidence. Higher power, my friend!💕🤘🏻
Bro, I know 👀
Way to go man, this is great. Love what you're doing.
Much appreciated!
Hey I’m going through 500 grams a week. I need help. I quit drinking alcohol by switching to Kratom, but I can’t stand the amount of money I spend I’m so guilty
Ive been taking 2 heaping teaspoons of Kratom for 2 Years. I have experienced withdrawals from quitting cigs and weed but I took 10 days off Kratom and didnt feel one withdrawal symptom. The only thing I could think is I only did 1 dose a day so maybe thats why. Everyones different I guess. Never knew Joey was a Christian. Me too
I've been taking varying amounts every day for over 5 years! As much as 26g a day and now I'm down to 2.6 gm a day. I have too much of an addictive nature to take these type of things. I want out! I'm a Christian as well. Please pray for me...
Joey, God placed you in my life for a reason, WOW. we are in the exact same spot, and for the exact same reasons, I'm just not off yet. Been praying to God for HIS help in doing so. Thank you for all that you do for everyone, man, seriously. God bless you!
So looking forward to your new channel! Congrats on your new chapter of life!
Whoa! That's incredible.
How has your progress gone?
“We can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.”
Just bought my last Kratom. I stop on Monday. Encouraging to see this.
Awesome video brother!!! Much respect!!! 💪🏼
Appreciate it!!
I needed to hear this at this very moment in my life. Thank you for sharing. I'll keep you in my prayers. Very proud of you. You're a blessing to a lot of people. And I also love Jesus and want to serve and glorify Him as best I can. ❤
It's crazy beneficial for social or work activities but when you start to take it every day out of boredom or escaping something then it can get you fucked up
Guy is so positive, when the kratom starts to wear off the dark cloud starts rolling in, you feel bad and think bad thoughts. It sucks being dependant on it. I plan on coming off over the 4 day Thanksgiving break.
You got this 👊🏽
Glad you're doing well, I was worried youtube had their foot on your neck again. I quit back in May or June after three years of roughly 20 grams per day or so. Withdrawals weren't too bad, but it took a long-ass time to taper all the way. I hung on to that bedtime dose for awhile because I'd get restless leg syndrome all night. Either way, I'm happy with the decision to stay off it, but I still advocate for anyone who wants it to use it. I mainly quit because my son was on the way and I didn't want to accidentally get kratom powder on him, that stuff gets everywhere. 😂
Sounds like we're in the same boat :D
why did it take so long to taper? How long does it take for ur body to normalize while doing it so when u jump u arent having bad withdraws. Im currently on 60ish grams per day sometimes 80, def looking to quit so I can move on
@@SuperThesavageMan. Don't mean to scare you or anything, but I have heard several user reports of people having seziures at high daily dosages (mostly somewhere between 80-120+ gpd). I'm not saying everyone has a high chance of that at high daily dosage, it would be borderline impossible to figure out what the chance ratio might be, considering also that some of those cases might very well involve different lifestyle choices... but I would definitely try and taper down just for the sake of potential safety.
What I would do is to buy a scale that meaures at least in hundredths or thousandths, and go down by .05 every week or every few days. Figure out where your comfort level might be and stick to a reduction routine.
Cessation probably takes so long for some people because of withdrawal effects. Restless leg syndrome being a big one. Not everyone gets it, but my buddy did and it drove him crazy. He'd have to get up out of bed and take nightly walks every night, not being able to sleep because of it. I ended up suggesting potassium and magnesium, which can sometimes help a bit. Couple different vitamins and minerals can help reduce the symptoms of RLS. My mom has it really bad as well.
Also the intense fatigue. You just feel drained and it takes a whole lot of effort to do anything. Tapering would reduce withdrawal symptoms (with the exception of mild to moderate fatigue - or malaise, may be a more apt description). Going cold turkey has a higher chance of experiencing significant withdrawal symptoms.
Then there are also people that don't get any wd symptoms, or just a runny nose and tiredness for a few hours to a few days and that's it! lol. Anyways, good luck! Though I hope you won't need it haha. Here's to hoping at least :)
@@terrapinflyer273 thank you for the input, ur suggestion is what I was thinking of and what I tell other people to do as well even though I never take my own advice. I have tapered once like a gram every day or two got down to 4-5 grams 3 times a day which is huge for me considering how much I take now, and id dose in morning for work and not dose again until 8 hours later, really want to rid this crap from my life or mainly the addiction part, i want to get to the point where i dont think about it and my next dose all the time and need it to do anything, trying to learn life again without it seems like a struggle
Thank you for telling me about Krabot and their alk tab 40’s. I have saved so much money and no longer take other extracts. With the 20% off it’s $1.35 per pill. That’s insane compared to shots at the shop for $20.
Awesome!
Glad to see you
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You are awesome Joey. I gave it up a couple of weeks ago and I cannot sleep. Ive tried taking amino acids and gummies for sleep. The only thing that is helping me get the sleep is an over the counter sleep aid from Coscto. I dont like taking it because its not restorative sleep but its better than no sleep. Is there anyting I can do to help my brain want to sleep again? PS love that you love Jesus.
Happy for you brother! 😊
I wish you all the happiness in the world!
Thank you so much 😀
Good for you Joey. Good to take some time to face life fully, especially if you're one who needs to come to full terms with things; be it positive, negative, or both.
Yep!
Praise the Lord. I have watched ya off and on for along time. I think you are fantastic. Keep doing you bro.
🎉🎉 HALLELUJAH!! I thank the Lord u r his!! Ill be watching ur other vids about the withdrawal, im on kratom n trying to taper off now
Congratulations to you, Joey! My heart skipped a beat when this popped up in my notifications haha. I know one day my spouse and I will evolve to a phase on our spiritual path as well where we surrender and release the kratom to God. All in divine timing. Thank you so much for all that you do. ❤
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Joey, this is awesome! I'm a Christian too and I do like to basically just say I "microdose" kratom, cannabis and some fungal medicines...but I do it all in tandem (I only take one thing each day, then switch to something else the next) to give my brain a break and not become dependent. I take kratom once or twice a week and I'm 100% at peace with that. This is something I felt the Lord really instilling within me, because I have a caffeine problem and I probably have the potential to become dependent on things. Yet, with autoimmune issues and chemical imbalances the natural psychotropics are really helpful (Psalm 24:1). At the same time, it's really tricky to walk the line between doing things that honor God and our bodies, yet not becoming too fixated on turning to them for our solutions. Only the Lord can truly heal deep wounds, and it's through His love and truth that we resolve trauma.
Maybe you can microdose kratom eventually, maybe not? But either way, we are led by Him and it's awesome when we're receptive to that.
Thank you for being a good example, yet not condemning the use of kratom (or other things), it's *exactly* the way I believe God want us (Romans 14, Titus 1:15, 1 Corinthians 8) to handle stuff. Much love man, keep up the fantastic content 👏
For sure. This is one of those things that's a heart issue and up to each person. Kratom is a tool but when that tool becomes a crutch it can become an idol and that's where I ended up. I have no issue with kratom itself and support its use.
Amen 🙏 for the kratum ❤❤❤
Beautiful testimony brother. Im praying for you ❤
I appreciate that
hey Joey, are you also no longer gonna have your Joeytalks blend and discount thru Krabot??
That’s all going to stay ❤
@@joeytalksaboutlifethat’s great to hear 👍 thank you 🙏
Thank you for sharing! I’ve recently decided to come back to my relationship with Jesus, and have decided Kratom was hindering my relationship with him. Glad to hear someone else had the same experience
Awesome! Welcome home ❤️
Hey, thanks for the video, I'm also a Christian and a Kratom addict. The Bible says that everything is permitted, but not everything is useful. You should also not let anything control you, so kratom is a kind of idol, using it as a savior in unpleasant situations instead of praying to Jesus in the moment. I was addicted to hard opiates for a long time and now I'm back on Kratom, but it's always a back and forth. As the saying goes: The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. Kind regards and God's blessing from Germany
Does anyone have zero sex drive on kratom? And another thing I notice is ppl say kratom relieved there anxiety but I find it creates anxiety
Wow I really needed to hear this. When you talked about replacing Jesus with kratom that is what I am doing right now in my life!
Congratulations Joey on quiting I know you have your good reasons.
Yeah thanks
I'm also quitting but enjoy it too much to say I'll never take it again. Hopefully I can be responsible about it.
Hey. One day at a time :D
Glad to see you moving on. Kratos a tricky substance.
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Its healthy to take a rest and work on inner problems. I wonder if you will get back on it, once you have dealt with the issues or if its for good
For sure. I’m not sure. For now I need to learn how to handle my internal stuff without kratom. One day at a time 🎉
I did the same thing. It got me through my early stages of sobriety (alcohol). And I do think it is good for some people.
It’s perfect for that
I tapered to half of my anti depressant. I'm happy w/ where I am w/ the dose. It's been 2 months at this dose. I'm ready to taper from the Kratom. It's been a godsend.
I been takeing kratom for about ten years now. It has been a God send for me. It helps my pain and gets me moveing in the morning. Before kratom i was hooked on opiods . I wouldn't mind getting off it though. Long as i dont go back to drugs and alcohol again.
I hear ya. I fully support people using kratom. When it’s time to leave it behind, you’ll know. Till then, live with a clear conscious using it ❤️
Ive been on it for over 6 years. I found it after a miserable year following a surgery due to a blockage in my intestines. I have Crohns Disease and there is no cure, just treatments. Ive been thru several treatments and now, Kratom is the only thing Im on. I would like to get off of it for awhile, just to see how I do without it now that ive learned alot anout how diet affects my body. Thanks for your honesty Joey, and I will look forward to hearing what you have learned. From one Christian to another, God bless you.
Try using the tea. Much easier on the gut
I ve been on it for over 5 yrs and I know I need to be done with this addiction. Down to 2.6 GPD and plan on totally off in 2 weeks or so. Please pray for me..
How I would like to stop kratom! I have been taking Maeng Da red for 4 years. Not as a recreational substance, but as pain killer. I have a lot of nerve damage from chronic Lyme disease and co-infections (32 years), MS, and although I am on a super-healthy regimen and very pro-active in my management of Lyme disease and the rest (it is incurable, only manageable) without kratom I would not be in this world anymore. The pain is too intense, ceaseless, day and especially night. Particularly the nerve pain. It is like being electrocuted, over and over. I had to increase the doses with time, and now I am between 4 and 6 teaspoons /day. I am trying to stay away from the "enhanced" kind, but recently I had to take some to be able to sleep. I purchased your book, and I am well-aware that it is way too much and that I am entering now in a reverse phase. The other alternative is pharma drugs with enormous side-effects and even more dependence. I wish you would speak more about how to stop when severe pain is involved. Thank you.
♥ Glad I found you again :)
Wondered why I hadn't seen any new posts in a good while.
More to come!
I used your method using Stem and Vein, and it worked. Much more pleasant than going cold turkey deep into addiction.
Glad to hear it!
Sorry about your old channel! Jesus wants me off kratom too!
An addiction is over when the liver is clear.
I’ll never quit. 50 grams a day for me. 10 grams at a time. Same routine for 2 years straight, without every feel withdrawal if I run out and wait on Way More Natural to send me more. Yellow Vietnam, Red Fibro and Super White Borneo are my jam!
I’m all about it. Like I said, my stance on kratom hasn’t changed. Whatever works man ❤️
May I ask what Kratom helps you with? For me, pain relief. Pain management is a joke. I had a fabulous primary doctor who for several years helped me with pain relief until the narrative became opioid therapy is bad. I can say for a decade I was on the same dosage never asked for increases never had any issues at all. A lot of what you hear is false. I take Joey talks blend almost the way you do. For pain, debilitating, severe physical body injuries that won’t ever heal, I need pain management. I am bedridden without. Like wheelchair disabled. I have MS too very complicated so after years of excruciating pain my doctor helped get me on what worked. I tried anything, everything for decades. Unfortunately, the narrative, has dropped the pain community with nothing until Kratom. Don’t let anyone make you feel that you are doing anything wrong. I have mobility, functionality with it. I won’t let anyone bully me that Kratom is bad. You aren’t doing anything wrong ❤
No withdrawal from 50 gpd??? How long are you out for? A day or 2? I'm not sure you've let your body actually experience withdrawal yet.
@@livinginoklahomacityofficialno withdrawal if you never stopzzz
@@dipper888bp exactly my point lol
Joey, been following you for a year and when I saw that you were cancelled it wasn’t hard to find you, I just put in “Kratom” and scrolled down a bit. You’ll get your audience back. You’re very helpful. I recovered from successful surgery so I just started tapering which my nervous system does not like. Kratom helped me quit Vicodin and then drinking with no side effects. Can you name any supplements that help jumpy legs on the way out?
Check out my upload from today. Delta 8 was the only thing that helped my legs
Do I get it at a Kratom shop or a cannabis shop (legal in Maine) ?
I want to say for body injuries that will never heal, you can pray, all you want but if you are in 24/7 excruciating debilitating pain, taking pain relief is not something to be ashamed of. Somewhere between I don’t even know it became a stigma to take whether it is big pharma, marijuana, now Kratom. If you can’t walk, work, have quality of life, you take what works, there is nothing wrong with that. People take medication for high blood pressure, diabetes, this is no different. If your car gas tank is empty do you say oh well, I’ll just sit here, in this spot forever, no. You fill your gas tank and go. Pain relief for bodily injuries that won’t heal you can’t rot in bed, you need to move, be apart of life. If you’re happy, then, you do whatever, makes you happy. But I hate when people think they say I don’t need anything not even an aspirin until you do. If your body works taking whatever it is not addiction. Addiction is when you want to escape life not live it. It interferes with working, family, friends, showing up for life. Be you. Do what makes you happy. Don’t let bullies, with misinformation, tell you to quit whether it’s Kratom or whatever. ♥️
Absolutely. I think kratom is an excellent choice for people with chronic pain. I 100% support that. I'm glad you found it to help your pain.
@@joeytalksaboutlife It was because of your channel. You. I was at the lowest point of my life. I mean, I was never ever suicidal. As bad as, my pain became or even the tragedy after health tragedy, the death of my beloved father, my divorce, I never ever was suicidal. Four decades later after having at least a decade of controlled pain with opioid therapy, I was thriving but COVID came, lost my doctor, my meds, and pain management was pushing marijuana. I thought, I can’t live in pain, bedridden. I was searching for anything. You saved my life. Seriously. Joey ♥️ Kratom did too. The Universe brought your compassionate, sweet, smart, positive energy, my way. I know there is a difference between emotional pain, structural physical pain, and pain after surgery. That is why I emphasize my pain is structural, it is, physical. I have three decades of imaging, like MRIs CatScans, sonograms. My pain is complex and comes from three very different parts of my body. That is why I was prescribed opioids. It wasn’t a doctor just throwing them at me. I tried anything, everything to no avail. When my mobility, and functional capacity was at zero, I needed real help. Unfortunately, the narrative currently, being sold is opioids are bad. They aren’t. I’ve spoken to numerous pharmacists over the years. Taken respectfully, responsibly they give quality of life to those of us that would be bedridden or worse. Unfortunately, the same groups, are going after Kratom. It’s pure ignorance.
Same way i feel. It helped me kick alcohol for 3 years. Tapered down and just couldnt let it go. But i know its time and im ready to be off
I look forward to your content.
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I often watched your old channel for all things Kratom and especially on quitting/ taking breaks over the past few months once I had decided I needed to quit.
I’ve been on it for two years and have tapered off over the past month, though not quite as much as I would’ve liked. But still I jumped off completely two days ago. Withdrawals are uncomfortable although manageable but the biggest thing seems to be boredom. I constantly think how much more fun it would be to be on it right now and I’m looking for confirmation that controlled use after quitting might be possible. Do you think it’s a good idea to use sporadically/socially after completing the withdrawal process or is this just the addict in me looking for an excuse?
Thank you for the education you provide, looking forward to the next videos.
Good luck on keeping sober to the both of us and anyone else affected.
I think that decision is up to each person. Thanks for watching ❤️
Ive been off of it for several months. Im looking at having to temporarily get back on it cause i have a 4mm kidney stone and my urologist is refusing to treat the pain. For the first time in my life, having a 4mm kidney stone isnt the scariest part of having a 4mm kidney stone. The kentucky medical industry is so cynical and dismissive.
Thanks Joey, you help me and many others
Of course!
I’m sitting here wondering why I can’t sleep while yawning controllably. Day one I took a 40mg melatonin and I close my eyes for 3 hrs and realized I can’t sleep
I stopped taking kratom 6 days ago. I went forom 60 to 70 grams a day! Your right it was god that made me strong enough to go thru the withdrawal. There comes a point in your life when you have to be strong in your mind! Thank you jesus for helping me through this!! In 6 days I've gained 5 lbs. Still not sleeping good but i feel like im coming back to myself!!
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
Who deleted your other channel? You or TH-cam?
YT 😭
I've been taking it every day for over a year. The first time I took it, it was amazing. I was getting off of opiates and this did help me tremendously. However, I don't get the same feeling from it anymore I've tried so many different strains and I want to quit but I've had a hard time trying to taper.
On a fluke I took a contrave pill from my wife… I intended to have it help me stop craving sweets…WHAT IT DOD DO was force me into a cold turkey kratom withdrawal … day one over…all 24 hours I was sweating, diarrhea and restless legs from hell… feeling better now… I desperately tried to drink kratom tea… but it doesn’t work on contrave at least for me
Hi Joey I tried going through your website but it was unavailable. I’ve been on Kratom for 5 years and wanted to ask if I should tapper off or quit cold turkey. I was taking about 2 oz a day
I’ve been taking kratom on and off for years, mostly on. During the pandemic I let my drinking get way out of hand, and went to my doctor for help quitting. At the time, my stomach was so messed up from the alcohol that I couldn’t take much kratom. It would have been a good time to quit, it was basically an unintentional taper. However, instead of doing that, I started using more kratom to replace it. I’m now working on tapering down, and it’s difficult but I really want to do it for my kids.
I started taking kratom in 2012, after a 23 year long battle with alcoholism.
Let me preface this with a little family history. My mother's side of the family are almost all alcoholics. Her father ran his car of a bridge around the age of 50, because he was drunk driving, and 2 of her 3 brothers died in their 40s, from alcoholism. My mother, although not as bad they were, is also an alcoholic. I didn't meet my father until i was 24, and when i did, i found out that he also drank at least a 12 pack of beer a day.
I spent most of my life addicted to alcohol since age 14. By 16, I was drinking every night to the point of being drunk. At 25, I started drinking in the morning and all day long. I needed 5 or 6 drinks before work just so I wouldn't shake so bad. Several times, I tried to quit drinking, and within 36 hours, I would go into seizures. Did the detox a few times, but wasn't strong enough to stay away from the alcohol. Went away to a great Christian rehab in 2011. It was a 9 week program and i made it through sober. I followed that up with living at a Christian halfway house for 3 months. Life was new. I was new. It was great. But at some point, you have to live in the unprotected "real world". Within a few months, I started getting those alcohol cravings back. This was 2012. I didn't want to go down that road that has brought me and my loved ones so much pain. So I started searching on the internet and found out about a leaf called kratom that some alcoholics had used to quit and abstain from alcohol. I wasn't drinking yet, but was real close. I was very skeptical, but I was desperate not to go back into my own personal hell. It took about a few weeks to get my dosage right, but it worked. I couldn't believe it. I could make it through the day and not be fighting those generational demons that had haunted me my whole life. It was too good to be true. I took it everyday and my quality of life reached a level i had never witnessed or thought possible. Then in 2015/2016, I had heard that kratom was getting banned. I had just had my first daughter and didn't want to put that in jeopardy by having illegal substances in my home, so I quit taking kratom. Within 3 weeks, started drinking again. Within 4 months, I had lost everything, including my marriage, license again, job, and relationship with my daughter. February 1, 2017 I enrolled myself in a year long rehab. Did great there. I can stay sober in a protected atmosphere with no temptaion around me, but unfortunately the world isn't like that. After graduating that program i decided that i would start life over in a whole new area to me just miles from where this rehab was. Within a few weeks, the cravings for alcohol was creeping back. I surely didn't want to go down that road again. I was 40 years old and didn't have much fight or hope in me left should i give in to my addiction. I remember thinking to myself, if only kratom didn't get banned. (I forgot to mention that at the year long rehab, we had no television, internet, etc, so had no way to keep up with what was going on in the real world, let alone the news on kratom). Little did I realize, it was never banned. I ordered some immediately. I sit here writing this 5 years later. I have remarried, I see my child regularly, I have excelled at my job. I own 3 cars (most of my life I barely owned 1 because of DUIs, and lack of financial resources because of my addiction). These last 5 years have been my best. I could have saved myself from alot of pain had I found this earlier in life. But I'm lucky. 12 of the guys I was in the year long rehab with, have died from overdose. There is some guilt about me not keeping up with them as good as I should have, because I could have probably saved a few of them by telling them about kratom. I will be forever grateful for this leaf, that gave me a life i never thought was possible.
I hope you aren't as bad as an alcoholic as I was, but for my child, I will continue to take kratom
Ive been taking about an ounce a day for 5 years and i am currently tapering off. Im down to 8 grams a day. Im sick of my family and i living around my kratom addiction
I know not everyone has access to legal medical marijuana, but indica troches or some type of edible works amazing at night. The hardest part of quitting for me is not being able to fall asleep
I am horrified to quit kratom due to the withdrawals.. 😢 my fiancé and I want to get pregnant and I know you can’t take kratom through a pregnancy. I truly love kratom so much and it’s helped me anxiety and depression. My fiancé doesn’t understand it.. I understand he sees it as an addiction. He isn’t wrong.
Please share how you tapered and the best way to overcome the withdrawals !
It’s coming! ❤
It is not an addiction. An addiction prevents you from living life. If you are happy, and working, plugged into life, don’t let anyone tell you Kratom is bad. Is marijuana bad? No. ❤
@@moneymonroesays agreed. It’s not an addiction.
@@moneymonroesays it’s hard for my fiancé to understand since he doesn’t take anything at all. If it were up to me, I’d never quit. It helps me cope with so much and I never drink due to anxiety. I used to drink a lot! But now I dont. I don’t even “feel” kratom at this point I just feel normal and social with it. So it sucks knowing for me to get pregnant.. I have to kick it 😩 I tried googling if kratom use and pregnancy is bad and I can’t find much of anything other than some sketchy biased sources that don’t like kratom in the first place.
If you get any kind of withdrawals from discontinuing a substance, that is quite literally the epitome of an addiction. The word “addiction “ has too much shame and stigma behind it. Acceptance is the first step to healing and getting better. I believe every human has an addiction to something. Whether it’s work, shopping, food, porn, vanity, drugs/substance etc
Awesome Joey , I use it sparingly , respect it don't abuse is the right attitude 👍. Have you tried theacrine ?
Hi Joey. Which kratom is best for chronic pain and where can iget good product online pkease. I subed and look forward to your reply. CIAO Joey!
I myself am Christian and have been taking it on and off for 3 years or so. I felt like I turned it into a idol. My question is do you think caffeine if addictied as i am should view it the same as kratom? Caffeine withdrawal is bad as well for me but only last 2 days I’m on day 5 and pain is pretty much gone but energy and motivation is zapped. I have a 8 day old baby a 15 months 3 &5 year old i don’t go bank to work for 6 weeks should i keep going or just take it im very low dose?
Good for you.
Great news.
❤️
Looking for some advice I know your not a doctor lol just someone with experience
I currently take 2-4 opms shots a day do you think the best way is to drop to 2 a day then 1 a day and then do a few days of capsule powder then jump off that after a few days of powder? Thanks man I appreciate your feedback
I've been on Kratom for 5 years. It's helped tremendously. I feel called for similar spiritual reasons to quit, but can hardly imagine doing so. I started taking the extract shots daily. Any suggestions on how to start tapering and eventually stopping?
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
Joey Can I have all your kratom that was in your storage? I would hate for it to go to waste lol! THANK YOU JOEY
I need to quit, i quit everything else with it and now i wanna stop it, traveling with it overseas is what worries me
TH-cam deletes kratom channels? Dang.
So grateful for the content of this video and what’s to come. I believe I will be successful with Gods Help
For sure! Follow along because I hope to detail the process, giving people a way to understand what it takes to quit.
Kratom is such a powerful medicine.
Started a wean like 6 months ago, down to 12 grams per day from 55 grams...it's been tough and there have been doses I was stuck at, like I swear I went from 55 to 25 grams fast, then I was stuck at 20-25 grams for like 4 months, and just in the last month I made a break thru...I think I just need to mentally make the jump below 20 for a couple days to get confidence that I could handle it
Did you get a chance to view the video of the kid with the bridge device? Definitely the holy grail withdrawal device.
Thx,
Clint
Yes! I actually saw that when I was going through withdrawals.... it's just SO expensive
You don’t need that to get through kratom wd. Just taper down with the help of supplements and then take a low dose of phenibut and some kava a few times. It’s such a shame he deleted all his Kratom stuff. It was really useful for tapering off. Maybe @joeytalkslife could reupload them or create like a written wiki for quitting Kratom?