I want to give a warning that you should look in to. There are now shots of 7-OH mitragynine that are no different than taking any opiate. The withdrawals or more similar to fentanyl than heroin. It is concerning to me that a product is so easily accessible that can produce some of the worst withdrawals out of any substance and yet comes with zero warning. It is dangerous. It can drive people to find cheaper longer lasting options and become full blown addicts, though that is exactly what they will be after a couple weeks of constant use, as it is nearly impossible to get off without destroying your life for several weeks. Total and complete insomnia, diarrhea, cold sweets, blood pressure fluctuations, anxiety, depression, coordination issues, it runs the full list. Hope people heed the warning.
My brother used Kratom to get off suboxone. It worked! He used Kratom for 15months. Then he decided to stop. He had diarrhea for 1 wk & a little anxiety, but that was it. Not the end of the world. It saved his life.
Interesting. I've been considering micro-dosing suboxone to get off of Kratom. Using very small doses, only to curb the WD's. I've read some positive results from others who have done the same.
@@KingAndrew5000nah man, subs are serious drugs, there's no need. Try this: ashwagandha + mucuna + black Seed oil + NAC. Other stuff that work: huperzine A high dose, kava kava (doses to knock you out), mulungu (for sleeping), DLPA, leonorus sibiricus extract.
@@KingAndrew5000don’t do it. If you developed a dependency to kratom, you WILL absolutely do the same with suboxone. I was on suboxone for five years. Kratom helped. Kratom w/d is nothing compared to opiates/opioids.
Over 2 months without any K, after a 30 day taper, ending about a 4 year habit of around 15 - 20 or so gpd on average. The taper made the withdrawals bearable, but certainly uncomfortable for a few days, even after a pretty gradual 30 day taper. But the worst part? Oh the worst part was aftet about 3 weeks, when all of the negative feelings from trauma and challenges that had occured during that time (that k was so effectively blocking out, or creating a false emotional floor) - the depression that hit for a solid couple of weeks was fkn dire... about 4 weeks off this stuff, a cloud started to lift. I barely even think about it now, 9 weeks into this freedom.
So you mean that all the shit that you didnt feel or think/digest during that time because you were "protected" by kratom arose? That's a serious fear of mine cause I lived a super toxic relationship with a woman with BPD who is seriously ill... Now that I just broke up, I feel it's not the time to quit kratom because I think It will destroy me, to realize what I've done (and not done) during these years...😢
@@m.a.g.3920well the longer it goes the more compounded it might become. If anything give yourself a long taper while you set yourself up with a support system (friends/family/therapist/AA(or something like that)) and to start practicing healthier habits that hopefully you can use to fall back on
Good job man. I’ve been on this junk for years and know I’m in for an uncomfortable withdrawal. My mindset is almost there, I’m getting tired of the cycle.
@@m.a.g.3920this is almost my exact story, toxic ex with BPD but add in a marriage and children. It’s only dawning on me now that with as painful as the divorce was I was possibly blocking a lot of that out with the Kratom. Fuck this is going to be hell
I quit for 3 months about a year ago and relapsed, now I'm on day 2 and I'm relying on staying busy, brutal workouts, cold water, breathwork, prayer, and most powerfully hanging out and playing with my daughter and keeping my love for her right in my face. That's what keeps me focused on being the real me, not the addicted using me.
I'm never told anyone other than my wife, about my use of this. I take around 120-140 capsules a day. I am trying to stop. It's slowly killing me and I know it. I'm a single income family and a father of two, and a hero to my 4 year old daughter. When I try to stop I have the cold sweats so bad, and my strength is so far gone, I can hardly move. Let alone the twitching and spasms. I'm going to use your videos for inspiration. But I truly feel I'll lose my life over this. Any help is much appreciated. Thank you
Just gotta tapper, so how i dod it is get someone to that you know to take all tour kratom in money if they have to that way you cant take it then take a dosage at night, that way you can sleep in slowly lower it
Hey Brother, you can do this and get your life back. You have to taper slowly I've been in your seat many times. I would recommend dropping one capsule every day until you off it. 120 a day - 1 per day you will be clean in 4 months. It seems like a long time but, you can do it just come up with a plan and stick to it. Trick is to taper slowly. God Bless
I know how hard it is when you have kids and just want to function. Not about getting high - just wanting to function. I've been on and off and am so tired. Getting ready to try again. Peace
@smithwesson6620 what I did was get 13 subutex pills . I stopped taking kratom and took the subs as prescribed. It lasted about 4 days then I just quit. It was horrible and it sucked. I feel great though and don't miss it. It feels like getting out of jail.
Thank you for your videos and story. I'm 26 and have a very addictive personality(runs in family) I actually started doing kratom around the age of 23(3 1/2 years ago) mainly to help me be more social because of my social anxiety. And it worked wonders at first. Then, I started doing more white vein kratom to help with energy as I've always struggled with that. Over time, it has really screwed up my brain and body so much. In just 3 1/2 years, my body and mind have become so dependent on it. At this point, I started taking it just to feel "normal" and have enough energy to make it through the day. For people without addictive personalities or coming off opiates and such, I'd recommend. But that's it. My whole reward system in my brain has become completely tarnished. I have little motivation or energy to do anything productive. (Also have gained 30 pounds over the last 3 years, idk if that is normal or related to kratom). Currently, I am still going through withdrawals and trying to quit completely, but it is very hard. But I know it will take time.
Been taking kratom for 4 years...about 6 to 8 grams a day.....i used to take breaks from kratom without issue no withdrawal....now the past 3 months reading about kratom addiction when i take a break from kratom i feel like im going through withdrawal....damn internet..!!!
Over the last 8-9 months I've managed to taper from 60g to 30g a day. Once I break below the 30g plateau the wd become unbearable. I cannot sleep and after about 3 days I give in. I can handle any of the other wd symptoms. But without sleep I just lack the mental... I lose the battle in my mind. Something about being so tired but wide awake at the same time. I've started trying something new that seems to be working for me. Instead of drinking the green goop I've been making a tea with it. I found a kettle on amazon that has a built in tea strainer. It seems to be working. Another thing that seems to be helping is changing the ritual. There were specific times that I would take kratom. Now I try to mix it up and confuse those neurotransmitters a little. I'm going to win this war!
Day 4 no kratom! I feel like I should be counting the nights instead. I feel like i've got the worst flu I've ever had. Lots of cold showers and getting some exercise. It's hard but it helps.
Hey man... i was about 40g a day. I took it down to 20 then cold turkey. Im at 1 month. Music, nature, working out, reading a good book, and feeling all the feelings that come your way. Not running! You've got this. The freedom is worth it. Im starting to feel better mentally. The natural energy is slowly returning. And mornings waking up not in a mini withdrawal is really inspiring. Still gaining mental strength and physical energy/ strength but i see the other side. JUST DO IT!!!!
That's awesome my friend sounds like you've made it to the other side. I'm on day 13 no kratom. Was going to taper more but decided to just rip off the band aid. The lack of sleep has been real but last night I finally had a solid night for the first time. Slept like 6 hours. I swear we should be counting the nights rather that the days. LOL@@NotIT777
Thanks for sharing. I am quitting today and am terrified of the inevitable WDs. Looking forward to being the person I was pre kratom but not looking forward to the price that has to be paid to get there.
Day 28 here. F this stuff. I'm done lol. Joey as you mentioned, it imperative that someone wanting to come off visit pages of people that have gone through the fire. I literally did for the last few weeks daily. Appreciate the content man. If u coming off, keep stacking the days! You can do it!
I just quit kratom after one year here is how I did: after using 20-30g a day for a year I went down to 1-2 grams 3 times a day for 2 months and then only 2 times a day then one time a day for a couple weeks. take your time
Great video Joey! Very thorough and well spoken. I am in withdrawal after about 20-30grams a day for around 4 years and my symptoms are thankfully not as bad as yours. Bad butt juice for about a week and up 5-6 times a night, laying there awake but I used it as motivation to meditate. Hollllly wow I have been completely locking into the quantumness of my inner being and that part has been incredible. I traded in my inner stress from withdrawal for unbelievable sessions of meditation and I am 100% sober from all the things except black coffee in the morning. Also carb free for a couple years. I am soooo grateful for addictions as they seem to have brought incredible meaning to sobriety and life itself. Now my focus is on reprogramming the depths of my subconscious mind and I will be sharing videos about how that process works from my perspective. Great videos and great presence on camera. Keep it up. New subscriber
Been taking it for 10 years... Its been incredible! I probably wouldn't quit but its gotten to the point where any color and strain it doesn't matter....its making me extremely TIRED !! I cannot keep my eyes open.....it sux to get through work when you are falling asleep standing up !
@@lyndarandall189 i feel for you.... I am into it for about a week and microdosing now. I tossed and turned all night . I honestly thought I had type 2 diabetes.., surprised that I don't. It was giving me all the symptoms. It's nasty 🤮
No severe withdrawals but I can definitely relate to the restless leg syndrome, not being able to sleep, not wanting to do anything, not enjoying a job I once did (unless I had taken Kratom) really no interest in anything I had previously cared about. I thought I was just depressed but your videos have been beyond helpful ❤
Aloha Joey! Thanks for the great video. I am on day 4 and crazy enough I am feeling better already. I am megadosing liposomal vit c, using mucuna puiriens, protein powder every morning, multi vitamin, cbd tincture with kava and passion flower at night, and being around family who care for me and are holding me accountable.
yes it has ended! i am on day 33 no kratom and i feel completely back to normal. i do still deal with fantasizing using when i roll by stores but i play the tape of my using through my head and i can see its not worth it. not even a little bit@@someoneelse3173
Thank you for making and sharing this video. I'm on day 2 and the withdrawals are killing me. I can barely hold water down without hurling it back up and the body aches are so intense I can't get any rest. I'm going to try some of your tips like the cold plunge and praying it helps! Congrats on getting off it 👏 🙌
If you were taking 30+ grams of green maeng da (imo, the most potent) then your withdrawals will be equivalent to the potency. If you haven’t quit already, you can try switching to red Bali. That one seems to be less potent, despite what the internet says, and the withdrawals are bearable. I haven’t had any issues with my stomach aside from the runs a few times. The aches will come and go - and the migraines - god the migraines. I was finally able to sleep last night and woke up just feeling like I have the flu. Sneezing, light cough, fever/chills. However, I didn’t have any restless legs this time. Migraines and restless legs have been the worst the last time I tried to quit Green Maeng Da.
I’ve been taking about 3grams 3x per day for 5 years. I was in debilitating chronic pain and needed to work on my feet. I’ve been tapering and I’m so glad I found your channel. I’m going through the same withdrawals! Even on a lower dose. Thank you for sharing
Kraytom withdraw aint nothing compared to what i took it for opiod withdraw is so much worse. If you only ever took kraytom well then the struggle will be real!
Your videos are such a comfort Thank you! The insomnia is truly the worst part it’s been about 10 days for me & I’m lucky if I get 3 Hrs which has only been through major sleep medications anything OTC hasn’t worked.
@@JoeBidensdirtydiaper it’s basically back to normal now it’s been about 3 months for me, but it took about 2 months to finally have normal sleep schedule again.
It amazes me how something legal like Kratom and relatively weak compared to other opiates can have such long and bad withdrawals. When I hear about having weeks of symptoms, even with a taper, it scares me to death. I don’t know if I am ready for this.
It sucks that the withdrawals got you so hard and for so long. I go on and off kratom and have found that i need about 3 days to withdrawal. Day 4 is like a switch, remarkably better. Sometimes i think I'll stay off, but i honestly only take it for pain. I'm on feet on concrete all day in a warehouse and nothing works better than kratom. Well without a prescription i mean. Most pain medications cause me some kind of side effect mostly in my gut. I think acetaminophen is terrible for me plus it doesn't work that well. As far as kratom withdrawal, i just tough it out for 3 days. I used to be a hardcore opiate addict so maybe that's why the withdrawals don't effect me that bad idk. It's been many years since i used prescription opiates and never will again. If kratom is to become illegal, i will just stop taking it, be uncomfortable for 2 or 3 days and be good
@joeytalksaboutlife usually 12ish grams. It's been a high as 20. When I feel like I'm climbing in usage I'll taper back down. If I could stay at 3 grams a day or less, that would be ideal. But I tend to creep up in my usage. The key I think is to recognize it before it gets out of hand. I will say, when I do stop taking it for a period of time, I feel better in other ways. Libido and complexion for sure. I see it in you too in these new videos. A certain glow that maybe you didn't have before? I'll never be anti kratom I don't think but I will say if you can avoid it all together, good. But if not just keep dosage as low as possible and don't abuse it!
@jakerboymoose hi! Ive been on opiods for about 4 yrs for a severe very painful condition. I would love to quit but the pain sometimes makes it unbearable. I have been messing around with Kratom alittle in hopes to maybe switch from the two to help my withdrawals from the opiods or to take breaks from one to the other. I haven't found one strain that helps me with pain. Any recommendations on what you used to help with pain for Kratom? I would love to pick your brain about this subject 😊 Thx in advance!
I don’t do it much but I have understood the withdrawal of it. Green not so bad at all but yellow and white are crazy. Like I said I don’t do it enough and always space it out to where I can control what will come my way. I think you are fantastic and praise God bro!
You know, I have a very similar dose situation. About 3-4 years, 20 grams a day and sometimes extract throughout the day. This is my first day attempting to ween and I was genuinely surprised how well exercise helps, (natural endorphins are vital) especially when paired with a low dose of, say 4 grams and potentiators/ supplements like ginseng, tumeric, vitamin c and magnesium. This allowed me to go from 20 grams, to a much much lower dose to ween off of. Of course, definitely consider that everyone is different and a confident mind set is the cure 👍 awesome vid man
Down to 3 capsules a day now. Used to use upwards of 80gpd. Just trying to jump from the 3 a day is horrible!!! I’m dropping to 2 capsules a day soon. I’m ready to be done w it for good.
@@RandomHuTaoSimp I used to take 4 capsules every 30min to an hr two years ago and my hair was coming out it was awful dude. I was shaky all the time. You CAN get there man. 🙏
@@courtneyevrrlyn9644 jesus 8 capsules an hour. 8x 24 is 196 caps a day. 40 caps per sitting for me doesnt do much, but the only thing keeping my body from breaking down is probably the carnivore diet + the stemcell supplements im taking from cerule. But I still want to get off this shit. It's a pain in the ass and its hurting the wallet. I'm glad you managed to get down. I'm going to work at that
I am so proud of you and respect you even more now for being so honest and open! We mention you on the Kratom Sobriety podcast next week. When I heard you quit I had to run over here and see how you are doing. I’m 6 months kratom free thanks to Vivitrol. I am one of the unfortunate ones who suffered Kratom seizures. I fought my addiction for nearly 9 years. The withdrawal was hell but life is so beautiful on this side. We are rooting for you, Joey!! ❤
Awesome video, thank you! I will be clicking that link for a session soon! My goal is to be off in my, and I will start tapering in January. I did, however, take a 3 week break. I used hirsuta and javinica and blackseed oil to taper, and in place of k during my 3 week break. Hirsuta and javinica has "alkaloids" in it though...just not the mitrigana and 7-hydroxy-mitrigana, or whatever it's called! It wasn't bad with that, but I mentally couldn't do it without the hirsuta and javinica. I couldn't go a full month break, it wasn't easy.
I'm on day 2 now and i don't do taper at all because i don't believe myself to do such thing and will definitely continue using it, so the best way i can choose is to stop it immediately. Yesterday i was all day lie in bed with lightheaded, cold and absolutely no energy to even sit and eat, i can't even walk without bumping into something, no drives and no motivation at all even for the things I love like practicing piano or painting miniatures. The most excruciating are restless leg syndrome, if I just can't sleep it's not really a problem because I can sleep during the day but I really suffer when I have to feel restless leg syndrome in my legs and arms 😢 I'm using kratom 10 to 12 grams using capsule 3 times per day for about 8 to 9 month i think. Wish me luck brother
I am on the final leg of my decided taper....was cannabis in general helpful or specifically D-8? I will be getting some black seed oil too....thanks joey glad ur back and soooooo glad you got off this stuff....you were the first channel i found back in july when i tried to quit cold turkey and had absolutely no idea about the withdrawals u til they started happening lol.
I take about 1 kilo every 3 weeks for about 7 years now I mostly I feel fine just has made my eyes really dark and I look like I have black eyes. I still would rather take Kratom over pills but it's time to get off of this. I had 3 neck injuries plus a back injury and sciatica. I'm going to go with exercise and eating healthy at 52 years old. Wish me luck
Me and you started our quitting journey at the same time!!! But I tried to go cold turkey off of 100 grams a day for 3 straight years!! Uhhhhhhhhhhh yyyyeahh. That was a complete nightmare!!! Needless to say I wasn’t successful 🤣😂 I lasted a week and a half. But that seriously made my tolerance go down! 🤣😂
I know man. It's so hard. I started a "Quit Kratom" program where I walk with you through the quitting process. If ya wanna check it out, you can book a free 20 minute consultation with me at joeytalks.com/quitkratom
I did a slow taper, reduced .5 gram each dose every 3-4 days. Took about a month. But I only had about two nights of restless legs. Other than that just kinda lethargic for about a week.
I've been wanting to quit Kratom for a while now. Been on it for 5 years or so, I've been taking it to deal with chronic back pain. There are times when I've ran out and couldn't get any and it would completely ruin my day. My body would hurt so bad and my mind would be in a fog just thinking about getting more. I know at this point it's an addiction and need to get off of it but hate how I feel physically and mentally. Nobody in my family really knows my struggles with Kratom and I'm afraid if I share it with them they will think I'm a junky.
Anyone out there struggling with this, please know that you can go to NA for free. No charge. I myself don’t align with the 12 steps, but there is some great support there. Nobody will be “charging “ you to help support you. You can get a sponsor for accountability if you need, and you don’t pay a dime.
I've been addicted to a lot of thincluding including oxycotton oxycotton, and nothing absolutely nothing is as addictive and Holds on to your soul like cradom. Does personally? I think it's evil? I don't care what benefits can possibly do for someone. The memory of this drug no matter how long you've been off of it and how easy it is to get is super hard
Im a dumb dumb and am going through kratom withdrawing for the second time. I got off it and the symptoms only lasted a few days. I can't tell you why i started again. It doesn't help that i sell it at my place of work. The first time i detoxed from kratom kava shots. I thought it wouldn't be so intense if i was taking a less concentrated form and started 50mg gummies. Oh boy i was wrong. Much worse this time around. What keeps me motivated is reminding myself that if I take it again I'll be hitting the reset button and all the days of feeling miserable will have been for nothing.
I took 2 tee spoons in the morning and then one like every hour. The withdrawals were unbearable:( That unbearable urge to move combined with the total exhaustion from getting NO sleep is the worst torture. It lasted for 2 weeks for me." 2 weeks acute and another 2 weeks till i felt normal again. I couldn't sit or lay for more than a minute.DISGUSTING!! And it just wouldn't stop:( Hot showers ,heat patches and weed from a bong helped a little bit.Just enough to not completely lose my mind:) This stuff is no joke. It has 13 times the analgesic power of morphine!! That's 6 times more than heroin! Im still very thankful for it.
Were your black seed oil pills only black seed oil, or did they have other things in them? Curious because I'll just get the concentrated tincture since it's cheapee than pills.
Ativan was the only thing that helped the restlessness at night but that is last option..i only take 2 days in a row then wont take ativan for a few more days cause benzos aint something i want to rely on... its kinda like "break in case of emergency " situation, so i wait until it's a last option like i try to sleep for hours tossing and turning restlessness before i will take one.
I hear that. I’m having to take .25mg of klonopin and gabapentin to help w the dts. It makes me feel restless body. Forget legs. I get it everywhere like I’m coming out of my skin.
@@joeytalksaboutlife I get that little sense of euphoria in my gut. And it still gives me energy. But I feel like I’m addicted to it like I was dope a few years back. Went to rehab just to pick up a new habit. I’m only at 60grams today so far. But today wasn’t a hard physical day. I think I can do it, thanks for responding. I will take less. I need to. I feel like it’s slowly killing me and my life revolves around it. Thanks dude seriously!!
I’m on day 3. It’s so hard, because I took kratom for the energy it gave me and now I’m completely dopamine deprived. Have no energy or motivation, getting out of bed feels like a task
Glad to hear you made it through it! Im on day 5 feeling some better and if i get through this i pray i never make this mistake again.. not coming off kratom, im coming off hydros.. good luck!
I've been taking it for over 10 years now and have been using it daily for the past 5-6 years. I've settled into a routine of consuming about 2kg per month. I don't really measure the dosage either. Basically, I take a heaping tablespoon and drink it with warm tap water. Naturally, I would experience withdrawal symptoms if I stopped. I don't drink alcohol or use other drugs. Regarding hair loss, I've read about it but haven't experienced any negative effects myself, being in my mid-30s now. It actually fits quite well into my daily life. I'm quite successful in my career, and paying over 5k € per year for it is not an issue for me. But yes, I am slowly starting to consider how I can reduce or completely stop using it. I don't even know what it feels like to be without it. I recently added up everything I've purchased since 2015. It's over 27k Euros. I can hardly believe it. How did you manage to quit? I'm currently looking for legal alternatives.
I used yo break other habits that where way more destructive for me and my family. I've kept my entire addiction a secret and I am very prod to say I'm on my 4th day of no kratom. I was using around 40 grams a day for 2 years. My withdrawals have been a challenge but there is sunshine at the end of night stay strong
@Gbb93 well I can sleep again. My drive is coming back. Starting to find a state of happiness again. It wasn't easy but was definitely worth it to get clean. Restless legs are also down to a fraction of how bad it was at the start of my recovery as well. I'm feeling stronger than I have in a long time.
@@sethgriffith9724 heck yeah brother. 40g a day is up there haha. I honestly think if you can quit opioids cold turkey, you have some major resilience. I had pounding migraines, idk about you. I had restless legs the first and second time I tried quitting green maeng da and when I switched to Red Bali to get off for good, it wasn’t nearly as bad.
Awesome video brother!!! I’ve went cold turkey before and oh man it was bad. But since then it had lowered my tolerance to about 9 capsules a day and at that amount I feel comfortable and healthy with it. I was up to about 20 caps a day at one point
Good video thanks man. For me it's mostly just a sleepy feeling with low inhibitions and im easily irritated. Around day 2 i get very emotional reflecting on past trauma and after the first week or so i can usually sleep decent again. Probably the worst effect are those nights tossing and with insomnia! Ugh it's basically a mild opiod withdrawl and your body itches for more kratom.
. Going on a 7 mile run in the rain when it’s 40 degrees out with no shirt on was like spiritual journey. I was totally calm, full of satisfaction and happiness for several hours every time I did it. Unfortunately I injured my hip and knee after too much running
You need to shorten your stride, replace your shoes every 300-400 miles and stretch and not for just 15-20 seconds but 1-2 minutes for glutes, quads and hamstrings especially the inside tendon and do three sets of each. Doing the hamstring tendon makes want to scream when I’ve gone to long but by the third set what relief and you can feel how it’s pulled your hips apart. I discovered the dead hang over a month ago so I bought a cheap chin-up bar and put it outside on the deck. Could only hold for thirty seconds but I’d do it 4-6 x a day now I can go just over a minute. While handing I twist and then a pop or two in my lower back but what a fantastic stretch for spine stomach and glutes and definitely increases grip strength and shoulders. I’m 73 years old.
I'm quitting for good. I'm about 3 days from my 1st zero kratom day. I'm really worried about the insomnia. Im already an insomniac. Its the reason i failed all my other attempts. This time is different though. I feel the same way i did when i finally quit smoking. Im just so sick of it
Agmatine sulfate works great for tapering because it can potentate smaller doses. NAC is also great for rebalancing receptors. L-tyrosine and magnesium at night.
Been taking 15 grams a day for 4 years. The sleeplessness from jumpy legs keeps me up as I taper off. I wonder if any of you have gone to a doctor or detox. Got an appointment tomorrow, I’ll let you know what he says.
I worked out very early around 4:15am 5 mornings/week. Felt sense of accomplishment and pumping fresh hemoglobin throughout. That way, I could sleep and taper more easily.
Have you noticed any weakness, strength or muscle loss on kratom? I feel like it’s impossible to get a pump on kratom and lost a lot of muscle but still workout and diet the same. Very weird
@@LoudenSwain: No muscle loss in the 3+ years of daily K usage. Lost some weight 12 lbs, but kept up a consistent regimen. I exercised early in the morn, BEFORE a dose, so that I could feel a pump if lifting correctly.
@@LoudenSwainlong term kratom will make you weak or plateau and not be able to make progress. Quit for a couple weeks and don’t miss a day at the gym and I guarantee you will set new PRs on your lifts. Id bet money on it.
unfortunately i never had the self control for tapering down. it would work for half a day but by evening when i’d take my usual red dose, it was just the taper amount, but an hour later i just couldn’t help myself and would take more. like quitting smoking, i knew the only way for me is cold turkey. i’m on day 4 now. i’d relapse in a second if i could, it’s so annoying and can’t do anything. my life has just come to a complete stop. i get nothing done, days wasted. before kratom i had a sleeping disorder, and now it’s back. i don’t know what to do. i just want feel normal again
Are you still taking LDN ? Is it continuing to work better ? I took it years ago and felt a difference but I never stuck it out and I’m pretty sure now it’s gonna be the only thing to help me based on the longevity of my k use
Hello all just wanted to get some advice been taking extract for like 4-5 months 2-4 shots daily I wanted to switch to powder to quit with minimal withdrawal do you think that will help to get off the extract? I was only gonna take the powder for a week then jump off that. Do you think the withdrawal be still bad? Thanks for your option and advice
Good video i have a pretty addictive personality probably went through 4ish bottles probably no more than 70grams each bottle capsule wise. These videos made me stop. Withdrawal is a mf dont wish it on anyone
Hi Joey...I do need some help with this I have no one in my life to help me with this...i went to ur book an appointment w you...but i dont see anything to click to make that appointment
I kinda woke up one day and didnt feel the want to take it, something told me id be fine without it. I took 30-50 caps per day, for months. Currently 3 days off. Im done waating my momey and racing trying to find ways to get more
Thank you for the videos I have been on Kratom for 8 months. Using around 4-6 grams a day i fell I need to take a break or quit . So I have been sober from it for 4 days really had no side effects other than feeling moody and irritated and mild body aches. Idk I go back to work tomorrow and I’m really fearing it . I have a small bag of kratom that I don’t want to use but I think it’s going to be the only thing that will get me thru my high stress job .
I’ve quit for a week. Used 2 to 3 spoonfuls for a couple years. Haven’t had much of any withdrawal symptoms besides thinking it would be nice to take some. I feel like I might go buy more tomorrow
Im on day 2 of complete CT off a high dose and im honestly miserable. Im in Arkansas so i cant do the taper at the moment had to just quit. Honestly the only thing helping me is hot baths with espon salt . Do you know if moderate dose of immodium(it is a type of opiate )would atleast help me get some rest?
Does anyone have any experience with the extracts vs powder? I have only used the extracts so I don't know how much that equates to in GPD? I've been using for about 4.5 months and want to quit now.
I tried quitting cold turkey after 24 grams a day for 6 years. I slmost lost my mind and had to run out and buy some overpriced kratom to ween off slowly. Its the worst withdraw to me. Compared to the high at least
I don’t plan to quick for a while but I dread it when I do. I take between 14-20 grams a day. Half of that on the morning and the other half around dinner. I notice even cutting out the morning dose that I start to feel sub par. Really disrupts my sleep and mood even keeping the night dose in. I’ll Adjust to that after a few weeks and then end up back taking the morning Kratom again. I think the problem is the really like taking Kratom and have kept my use consistent over the last 6 years never really increasing my use beyond what I listed here. I just wonder if I’d be happier without it some days.
Dude, I totally get where you're coming from. It's tough when something you enjoy starts messing with your sleep and mood. Maybe try taking a break for a few days and see how you feel. And remember, it's all about finding what makes YOU happier in the end. You got this!
I get really bad restless legs when I don’t take it. I’m on a taper right now to hopefully quit. I’m down to 10g/day. Tapering about 1/4g down each dose.
I got the flu went all day without kratom i was doing 6 scoops in morning and 7 or 8 scoops afternoon thanks to delta 8 iam doing 3 scoops for a week now and pushing to get to zero
@@ReapingTheHarvest getting better just cant sleep well and some aches n stomach issues but thank u for asking I think I can stop just gotta keep pushing
So, I take kratom for pain and pain alone. I dont really struggle with anxiety or anything. I do need to stop taking it a week before my surgery on December 6th. Any advice?
I have withdrew from prescribed opiates and what some prescribe is clonidine which helps with rls ..sleeplessness..cold sweats..theres imodium for the runs and also a type of trazadone for nerves....its a Godsend..i was on methadone which is the worst because it takes at least a month..where hydros or oxys leave thr body quicker in a week..maybe the kray stores up and so it takes longer..so a med that can help clean like goldenseal and burning fat like a carnivore diet or fasting.
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I want to give a warning that you should look in to. There are now shots of 7-OH mitragynine that are no different than taking any opiate. The withdrawals or more similar to fentanyl than heroin. It is concerning to me that a product is so easily accessible that can produce some of the worst withdrawals out of any substance and yet comes with zero warning. It is dangerous. It can drive people to find cheaper longer lasting options and become full blown addicts, though that is exactly what they will be after a couple weeks of constant use, as it is nearly impossible to get off without destroying your life for several weeks. Total and complete insomnia, diarrhea, cold sweets, blood pressure fluctuations, anxiety, depression, coordination issues, it runs the full list. Hope people heed the warning.
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@@aubree8079 it appears he erased or hid everyones comments. I commented on here, and at the time, there were many others
Same, thanks for offering this service. Trying to connect to the link provided and it takes me to a login page
My brother used Kratom to get off suboxone. It worked! He used Kratom for 15months. Then he decided to stop. He had diarrhea for 1 wk & a little anxiety, but that was it. Not the end of the world. It saved his life.
Interesting. I've been considering micro-dosing suboxone to get off of Kratom. Using very small doses, only to curb the WD's. I've read some positive results from others who have done the same.
@@KingAndrew5000I was thinking the same thing! I even considered micro dosing pain killers like oxy or Vicodin!
@@KingAndrew5000nah man, subs are serious drugs, there's no need. Try this: ashwagandha + mucuna + black Seed oil + NAC. Other stuff that work: huperzine A high dose, kava kava (doses to knock you out), mulungu (for sleeping), DLPA, leonorus sibiricus extract.
That’s great but not everyone has that experience. For a lot of people it feels like the end of the world coming off Kratom.
@@KingAndrew5000don’t do it. If you developed a dependency to kratom, you WILL absolutely do the same with suboxone. I was on suboxone for five years. Kratom helped. Kratom w/d is nothing compared to opiates/opioids.
Over 2 months without any K, after a 30 day taper, ending about a 4 year habit of around 15 - 20 or so gpd on average. The taper made the withdrawals bearable, but certainly uncomfortable for a few days, even after a pretty gradual 30 day taper.
But the worst part? Oh the worst part was aftet about 3 weeks, when all of the negative feelings from trauma and challenges that had occured during that time (that k was so effectively blocking out, or creating a false emotional floor) - the depression that hit for a solid couple of weeks was fkn dire... about 4 weeks off this stuff, a cloud started to lift. I barely even think about it now, 9 weeks into this freedom.
I want to be like this, im on 2 days. Ill be alright
So you mean that all the shit that you didnt feel or think/digest during that time because you were "protected" by kratom arose? That's a serious fear of mine cause I lived a super toxic relationship with a woman with BPD who is seriously ill... Now that I just broke up, I feel it's not the time to quit kratom because I think It will destroy me, to realize what I've done (and not done) during these years...😢
@@m.a.g.3920well the longer it goes the more compounded it might become.
If anything give yourself a long taper while you set yourself up with a support system (friends/family/therapist/AA(or something like that)) and to start practicing healthier habits that hopefully you can use to fall back on
Good job man. I’ve been on this junk for years and know I’m in for an uncomfortable withdrawal. My mindset is almost there, I’m getting tired of the cycle.
@@m.a.g.3920this is almost my exact story, toxic ex with BPD but add in a marriage and children. It’s only dawning on me now that with as painful as the divorce was I was possibly blocking a lot of that out with the Kratom. Fuck this is going to be hell
I quit for 3 months about a year ago and relapsed, now I'm on day 2 and I'm relying on staying busy, brutal workouts, cold water, breathwork, prayer, and most powerfully hanging out and playing with my daughter and keeping my love for her right in my face. That's what keeps me focused on being the real me, not the addicted using me.
That’s beautiful man. Respect to you. My most cherished memories are of hanging out with my son when he was a little guy.
I'm never told anyone other than my wife, about my use of this. I take around 120-140 capsules a day. I am trying to stop. It's slowly killing me and I know it. I'm a single income family and a father of two, and a hero to my 4 year old daughter. When I try to stop I have the cold sweats so bad, and my strength is so far gone, I can hardly move. Let alone the twitching and spasms. I'm going to use your videos for inspiration. But I truly feel I'll lose my life over this. Any help is much appreciated. Thank you
Just gotta tapper, so how i dod it is get someone to that you know to take all tour kratom in money if they have to that way you cant take it then take a dosage at night, that way you can sleep in slowly lower it
Hey Brother, you can do this and get your life back. You have to taper slowly I've been in your seat many times. I would recommend dropping one capsule every day until you off it. 120 a day - 1 per day you will be clean in 4 months. It seems like a long time but, you can do it just come up with a plan and stick to it. Trick is to taper slowly. God Bless
I know how hard it is when you have kids and just want to function. Not about getting high - just wanting to function. I've been on and off and am so tired. Getting ready to try again. Peace
Good morning my Brother!!!
How is it going??
Did you cut back and taper??
Hope to hear back from you😊
@smithwesson6620 what I did was get 13 subutex pills . I stopped taking kratom and took the subs as prescribed. It lasted about 4 days then I just quit. It was horrible and it sucked. I feel great though and don't miss it. It feels like getting out of jail.
Thank you for your videos and story. I'm 26 and have a very addictive personality(runs in family) I actually started doing kratom around the age of 23(3 1/2 years ago) mainly to help me be more social because of my social anxiety. And it worked wonders at first. Then, I started doing more white vein kratom to help with energy as I've always struggled with that. Over time, it has really screwed up my brain and body so much. In just 3 1/2 years, my body and mind have become so dependent on it. At this point, I started taking it just to feel "normal" and have enough energy to make it through the day. For people without addictive personalities or coming off opiates and such, I'd recommend. But that's it. My whole reward system in my brain has become completely tarnished. I have little motivation or energy to do anything productive. (Also have gained 30 pounds over the last 3 years, idk if that is normal or related to kratom). Currently, I am still going through withdrawals and trying to quit completely, but it is very hard. But I know it will take time.
Been taking kratom for 4 years...about 6 to 8 grams a day.....i used to take breaks from kratom without issue no withdrawal....now the past 3 months reading about kratom addiction when i take a break from kratom i feel like im going through withdrawal....damn internet..!!!
Over the last 8-9 months I've managed to taper from 60g to 30g a day. Once I break below the 30g plateau the wd become unbearable. I cannot sleep and after about 3 days I give in. I can handle any of the other wd symptoms. But without sleep I just lack the mental... I lose the battle in my mind. Something about being so tired but wide awake at the same time. I've started trying something new that seems to be working for me. Instead of drinking the green goop I've been making a tea with it. I found a kettle on amazon that has a built in tea strainer. It seems to be working. Another thing that seems to be helping is changing the ritual. There were specific times that I would take kratom. Now I try to mix it up and confuse those neurotransmitters a little. I'm going to win this war!
Day 4 no kratom! I feel like I should be counting the nights instead. I feel like i've got the worst flu I've ever had. Lots of cold showers and getting some exercise. It's hard but it helps.
Hey man... i was about 40g a day. I took it down to 20 then cold turkey. Im at 1 month. Music, nature, working out, reading a good book, and feeling all the feelings that come your way. Not running! You've got this. The freedom is worth it. Im starting to feel better mentally. The natural energy is slowly returning. And mornings waking up not in a mini withdrawal is really inspiring. Still gaining mental strength and physical energy/ strength but i see the other side. JUST DO IT!!!!
That's awesome my friend sounds like you've made it to the other side. I'm on day 13 no kratom. Was going to taper more but decided to just rip off the band aid. The lack of sleep has been real but last night I finally had a solid night for the first time. Slept like 6 hours. I swear we should be counting the nights rather that the days. LOL@@NotIT777
How are you doing man?
Thanks for sharing. I am quitting today and am terrified of the inevitable WDs. Looking forward to being the person I was pre kratom but not looking forward to the price that has to be paid to get there.
If you go slow on the taper you’ll minimize the intensity but it will take longer. What’s your plan?
I live in Florida too. I think living in the sunshine state helps quitting a little more than people who live in rainy/wintery states.
However kratom is legal there
I agree. Being out in the sun and staying active really helped me during withdrawal.
Day 28 here. F this stuff. I'm done lol. Joey as you mentioned, it imperative that someone wanting to come off visit pages of people that have gone through the fire. I literally did for the last few weeks daily. Appreciate the content man. If u coming off, keep stacking the days! You can do it!
Thank you brother I'm on day 5
I just quit kratom after one year here is how I did:
after using 20-30g a day for a year I went down to 1-2 grams 3 times a day for 2 months and then only 2 times a day then one time a day for a couple weeks. take your time
Great video Joey! Very thorough and well spoken. I am in withdrawal after about 20-30grams a day for around 4 years and my symptoms are thankfully not as bad as yours. Bad butt juice for about a week and up 5-6 times a night, laying there awake but I used it as motivation to meditate. Hollllly wow I have been completely locking into the quantumness of my inner being and that part has been incredible. I traded in my inner stress from withdrawal for unbelievable sessions of meditation and I am 100% sober from all the things except black coffee in the morning. Also carb free for a couple years. I am soooo grateful for addictions as they seem to have brought incredible meaning to sobriety and life itself. Now my focus is on reprogramming the depths of my subconscious mind and I will be sharing videos about how that process works from my perspective. Great videos and great presence on camera. Keep it up. New subscriber
Been taking it for 10 years... Its been incredible! I probably wouldn't quit but its gotten to the point where any color and strain it doesn't matter....its making me extremely TIRED !! I cannot keep my eyes open.....it sux to get through work when you are falling asleep standing up !
This is where I am currently- it's insane! Trying to determine best strategy now- taper or just quit!
@@lyndarandall189 i feel for you.... I am into it for about a week and microdosing now. I tossed and turned all night . I honestly thought I had type 2 diabetes.., surprised that I don't. It was giving me all the symptoms. It's nasty 🤮
@@lyndarandall189 I am finding red bull to be helpful
No severe withdrawals but I can definitely relate to the restless leg syndrome, not being able to sleep, not wanting to do anything, not enjoying a job I once did (unless I had taken Kratom) really no interest in anything I had previously cared about. I thought I was just depressed but your videos have been beyond helpful ❤
Aloha Joey! Thanks for the great video. I am on day 4 and crazy enough I am feeling better already. I am megadosing liposomal vit c, using mucuna puiriens, protein powder every morning, multi vitamin, cbd tincture with kava and passion flower at night, and being around family who care for me and are holding me accountable.
Hello, has your K withdrawal ended? If yes, how long did the WD take and for how long did u take it? Greets
yes it has ended! i am on day 33 no kratom and i feel completely back to normal. i do still deal with fantasizing using when i roll by stores but i play the tape of my using through my head and i can see its not worth it. not even a little bit@@someoneelse3173
WDs took like 5 days for the worst of it to stop. didnt sleep for 10 days. took it for 4 years@@someoneelse3173
Very useful info man, I think you are going to end up helping people (with all of your recent videos also)
I hope so!
Thank you for making and sharing this video. I'm on day 2 and the withdrawals are killing me. I can barely hold water down without hurling it back up and the body aches are so intense I can't get any rest. I'm going to try some of your tips like the cold plunge and praying it helps! Congrats on getting off it 👏 🙌
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
If you were taking 30+ grams of green maeng da (imo, the most potent) then your withdrawals will be equivalent to the potency. If you haven’t quit already, you can try switching to red Bali. That one seems to be less potent, despite what the internet says, and the withdrawals are bearable. I haven’t had any issues with my stomach aside from the runs a few times. The aches will come and go - and the migraines - god the migraines. I was finally able to sleep last night and woke up just feeling like I have the flu. Sneezing, light cough, fever/chills. However, I didn’t have any restless legs this time. Migraines and restless legs have been the worst the last time I tried to quit Green Maeng Da.
I’ve been taking about 3grams 3x per day for 5 years. I was in debilitating chronic pain and needed to work on my feet.
I’ve been tapering and I’m so glad I found your channel. I’m going through the same withdrawals! Even on a lower dose.
Thank you for sharing
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
Kraytom withdraw aint nothing compared to what i took it for opiod withdraw is so much worse. If you only ever took kraytom well then the struggle will be real!
Your videos are such a comfort Thank you!
The insomnia is truly the worst part it’s been about 10 days for me & I’m lucky if I get 3 Hrs which has only been through major sleep medications anything OTC hasn’t worked.
I'm so glad!
Hi there. How is your sleep now? When did your sleep get better?
@@JoeBidensdirtydiaper it’s basically back to normal now it’s been about 3 months for me, but it took about 2 months to finally have normal sleep schedule again.
It amazes me how something legal like Kratom and relatively weak compared to other opiates can have such long and bad withdrawals. When I hear about having weeks of symptoms, even with a taper, it scares me to death. I don’t know if I am ready for this.
I’ve watched a few different videos on this subject and you absolutely nail it man.
Thank Joey
I’ll try the black seed oil
Thanks man!
It sucks that the withdrawals got you so hard and for so long. I go on and off kratom and have found that i need about 3 days to withdrawal. Day 4 is like a switch, remarkably better. Sometimes i think I'll stay off, but i honestly only take it for pain. I'm on feet on concrete all day in a warehouse and nothing works better than kratom. Well without a prescription i mean. Most pain medications cause me some kind of side effect mostly in my gut. I think acetaminophen is terrible for me plus it doesn't work that well. As far as kratom withdrawal, i just tough it out for 3 days. I used to be a hardcore opiate addict so maybe that's why the withdrawals don't effect me that bad idk. It's been many years since i used prescription opiates and never will again. If kratom is to become illegal, i will just stop taking it, be uncomfortable for 2 or 3 days and be good
Wow! That's great. How much are you taking per day?
@joeytalksaboutlife usually 12ish grams. It's been a high as 20. When I feel like I'm climbing in usage I'll taper back down. If I could stay at 3 grams a day or less, that would be ideal. But I tend to creep up in my usage. The key I think is to recognize it before it gets out of hand. I will say, when I do stop taking it for a period of time, I feel better in other ways. Libido and complexion for sure. I see it in you too in these new videos. A certain glow that maybe you didn't have before? I'll never be anti kratom I don't think but I will say if you can avoid it all together, good. But if not just keep dosage as low as possible and don't abuse it!
@jakerboymoose hi! Ive been on opiods for about 4 yrs for a severe very painful condition. I would love to quit but the pain sometimes makes it unbearable. I have been messing around with Kratom alittle in hopes to maybe switch from the two to help my withdrawals from the opiods or to take breaks from one to the other. I haven't found one strain that helps me with pain. Any recommendations on what you used to help with pain for Kratom? I would love to pick your brain about this subject 😊 Thx in advance!
I don’t do it much but I have understood the withdrawal of it. Green not so bad at all but yellow and white are crazy. Like I said I don’t do it enough and always space it out to where I can control what will come my way. I think you are fantastic and praise God bro!
You know, I have a very similar dose situation. About 3-4 years, 20 grams a day and sometimes extract throughout the day. This is my first day attempting to ween and I was genuinely surprised how well exercise helps, (natural endorphins are vital) especially when paired with a low dose of, say 4 grams and potentiators/ supplements like ginseng, tumeric, vitamin c and magnesium. This allowed me to go from 20 grams, to a much much lower dose to ween off of. Of course, definitely consider that everyone is different and a confident mind set is the cure 👍 awesome vid man
Down to 3 capsules a day now. Used to use upwards of 80gpd. Just trying to jump from the 3 a day is horrible!!! I’m dropping to 2 capsules a day soon. I’m ready to be done w it for good.
Dam 3 capsules a day? I'm lucky if I feel 40 capsules at once. Wish I was at 3 capsules a day
@@RandomHuTaoSimp I used to take 4 capsules every 30min to an hr two years ago and my hair was coming out it was awful dude. I was shaky all the time. You CAN get there man. 🙏
@@courtneyevrrlyn9644 jesus 8 capsules an hour. 8x 24 is 196 caps a day. 40 caps per sitting for me doesnt do much, but the only thing keeping my body from breaking down is probably the carnivore diet + the stemcell supplements im taking from cerule. But I still want to get off this shit. It's a pain in the ass and its hurting the wallet. I'm glad you managed to get down. I'm going to work at that
What part of Florida Joey? I’m in Punta Gorda. Love your stuff and loved hearing you love Jesus!
Tampa
I am so proud of you and respect you even more now for being so honest and open! We mention you on the Kratom Sobriety podcast next week. When I heard you quit I had to run over here and see how you are doing. I’m 6 months kratom free thanks to Vivitrol. I am one of the unfortunate ones who suffered Kratom seizures. I fought my addiction for nearly 9 years. The withdrawal was hell but life is so beautiful on this side. We are rooting for you, Joey!! ❤
Thanks so much. Just keep’n it real 🤘🏽
Was the seizures from quitting or heavy use? Can i ask how much you would go thru in a day or week?
when you say you "suffered Kratom seizures" are you saying you got seizures from Kratom?
Awesome video, thank you! I will be clicking that link for a session soon! My goal is to be off in my, and I will start tapering in January. I did, however, take a 3 week break. I used hirsuta and javinica and blackseed oil to taper, and in place of k during my 3 week break. Hirsuta and javinica has "alkaloids" in it though...just not the mitrigana and 7-hydroxy-mitrigana, or whatever it's called! It wasn't bad with that, but I mentally couldn't do it without the hirsuta and javinica. I couldn't go a full month break, it wasn't easy.
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Thank you thank you. It’s not in my head ❤
So helpful that you offer support services!!!
I'm on day 2 now and i don't do taper at all because i don't believe myself to do such thing and will definitely continue using it, so the best way i can choose is to stop it immediately.
Yesterday i was all day lie in bed with lightheaded, cold and absolutely no energy to even sit and eat, i can't even walk without bumping into something, no drives and no motivation at all even for the things I love like practicing piano or painting miniatures.
The most excruciating are restless leg syndrome, if I just can't sleep it's not really a problem because I can sleep during the day but I really suffer when I have to feel restless leg syndrome in my legs and arms 😢
I'm using kratom 10 to 12 grams using capsule 3 times per day for about 8 to 9 month i think.
Wish me luck brother
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
I am on the final leg of my decided taper....was cannabis in general helpful or specifically D-8? I will be getting some black seed oil too....thanks joey glad ur back and soooooo glad you got off this stuff....you were the first channel i found back in july when i tried to quit cold turkey and had absolutely no idea about the withdrawals u til they started happening lol.
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
Glad you made it through. I hope when I quit withdrawal won't be as bad as you experienced it. I wish you well ✌️
Thank you! You too!
I take about 1 kilo every 3 weeks for about 7 years now I mostly I feel fine just has made my eyes really dark and I look like I have black eyes. I still would rather take Kratom over pills but it's time to get off of this. I had 3 neck injuries plus a back injury and sciatica. I'm going to go with exercise and eating healthy at 52 years old. Wish me luck
What brand black seed oil?
Me and you started our quitting journey at the same time!!!
But I tried to go cold turkey off of 100 grams a day for 3 straight years!!
Uhhhhhhhhhhh yyyyeahh. That was a complete nightmare!!!
Needless to say I wasn’t successful 🤣😂 I lasted a week and a half.
But that seriously made my tolerance go down! 🤣😂
I know man. It's so hard. I started a "Quit Kratom" program where I walk with you through the quitting process. If ya wanna check it out, you can book a free 20 minute consultation with me at joeytalks.com/quitkratom
I did a slow taper, reduced .5 gram each dose every 3-4 days. Took about a month. But I only had about two nights of restless legs. Other than that just kinda lethargic for about a week.
I've been wanting to quit Kratom for a while now. Been on it for 5 years or so, I've been taking it to deal with chronic back pain. There are times when I've ran out and couldn't get any and it would completely ruin my day. My body would hurt so bad and my mind would be in a fog just thinking about getting more. I know at this point it's an addiction and need to get off of it but hate how I feel physically and mentally. Nobody in my family really knows my struggles with Kratom and I'm afraid if I share it with them they will think I'm a junky.
Joey, have you decided to permanently stop using it, or this is just a limited time break?
Anyone out there struggling with this, please know that you can go to NA for free. No charge. I myself don’t align with the 12 steps, but there is some great support there. Nobody will be “charging “ you to help support you. You can get a sponsor for accountability if you need, and you don’t pay a dime.
I've been addicted to a lot of thincluding including oxycotton oxycotton, and nothing absolutely nothing is as addictive and Holds on to your soul like cradom. Does personally? I think it's evil? I don't care what benefits can possibly do for someone. The memory of this drug no matter how long you've been off of it and how easy it is to get is super hard
Im a dumb dumb and am going through kratom withdrawing for the second time. I got off it and the symptoms only lasted a few days. I can't tell you why i started again. It doesn't help that i sell it at my place of work. The first time i detoxed from kratom kava shots. I thought it wouldn't be so intense if i was taking a less concentrated form and started 50mg gummies. Oh boy i was wrong. Much worse this time around. What keeps me motivated is reminding myself that if I take it again I'll be hitting the reset button and all the days of feeling miserable will have been for nothing.
I took 2 tee spoons in the morning and then one like every hour.
The withdrawals were unbearable:(
That unbearable urge to move combined with the total exhaustion from getting NO sleep is the worst torture.
It lasted for 2 weeks for me." 2 weeks acute and another 2 weeks till i felt normal again.
I couldn't sit or lay for more than a minute.DISGUSTING!! And it just wouldn't stop:(
Hot showers ,heat patches and weed from a bong helped a little bit.Just enough to not completely lose my mind:)
This stuff is no joke.
It has 13 times the analgesic power of morphine!!
That's 6 times more than heroin!
Im still very thankful for it.
Were your black seed oil pills only black seed oil, or did they have other things in them? Curious because I'll just get the concentrated tincture since it's cheapee than pills.
Just the oil 💯
Ativan was the only thing that helped the restlessness at night but that is last option..i only take 2 days in a row then wont take ativan for a few more days cause benzos aint something i want to rely on... its kinda like "break in case of emergency " situation, so i wait until it's a last option like i try to sleep for hours tossing and turning restlessness before i will take one.
I hear that. I’m having to take .25mg of klonopin and gabapentin to help w the dts. It makes me feel restless body. Forget legs. I get it everywhere like I’m coming out of my skin.
I’m up to about 120 grams a day. Some days only 100.
Any tips on tapering correctly? Is the tea really helpful? Have a great night
Honestly just start taking less. Do you still feel the positive effects from it at that dose?
@@joeytalksaboutlife I get that little sense of euphoria in my gut. And it still gives me energy. But I feel like I’m addicted to it like I was dope a few years back. Went to rehab just to pick up a new habit. I’m only at 60grams today so far. But today wasn’t a hard physical day.
I think I can do it, thanks for responding. I will take less. I need to. I feel like it’s slowly killing me and my life revolves around it.
Thanks dude seriously!!
I’m on day 3. It’s so hard, because I took kratom for the energy it gave me and now I’m completely dopamine deprived. Have no energy or motivation, getting out of bed feels like a task
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
Glad to hear you made it through it! Im on day 5 feeling some better and if i get through this i pray i never make this mistake again.. not coming off kratom, im coming off hydros.. good luck!
You got this!
I've been taking it for over 10 years now and have been using it daily for the past 5-6 years. I've settled into a routine of consuming about 2kg per month. I don't really measure the dosage either. Basically, I take a heaping tablespoon and drink it with warm tap water. Naturally, I would experience withdrawal symptoms if I stopped. I don't drink alcohol or use other drugs.
Regarding hair loss, I've read about it but haven't experienced any negative effects myself, being in my mid-30s now. It actually fits quite well into my daily life. I'm quite successful in my career, and paying over 5k € per year for it is not an issue for me. But yes, I am slowly starting to consider how I can reduce or completely stop using it. I don't even know what it feels like to be without it.
I recently added up everything I've purchased since 2015. It's over 27k Euros. I can hardly believe it.
How did you manage to quit? I'm currently looking for legal alternatives.
You just have to commit to do it and prepare for a few weeks of withdrawals. I don’t believe there are any viable alternatives.
I used yo break other habits that where way more destructive for me and my family. I've kept my entire addiction a secret and I am very prod to say I'm on my 4th day of no kratom. I was using around 40 grams a day for 2 years. My withdrawals have been a challenge but there is sunshine at the end of night stay strong
How you feeling now??
@Gbb93 well I can sleep again. My drive is coming back. Starting to find a state of happiness again. It wasn't easy but was definitely worth it to get clean. Restless legs are also down to a fraction of how bad it was at the start of my recovery as well. I'm feeling stronger than I have in a long time.
@@sethgriffith9724 heck yeah brother. 40g a day is up there haha. I honestly think if you can quit opioids cold turkey, you have some major resilience. I had pounding migraines, idk about you. I had restless legs the first and second time I tried quitting green maeng da and when I switched to Red Bali to get off for good, it wasn’t nearly as bad.
Awesome video brother!!! I’ve went cold turkey before and oh man it was bad. But since then it had lowered my tolerance to about 9 capsules a day and at that amount I feel comfortable and healthy with it. I was up to about 20 caps a day at one point
Thanks man!
@@andicooper4734 To increase the volume of the extract, you could dilute it with water and gently taper.
NAD+ iv is like a gift from God for this.
Good video thanks man. For me it's mostly just a sleepy feeling with low inhibitions and im easily irritated. Around day 2 i get very emotional reflecting on past trauma and after the first week or so i can usually sleep decent again. Probably the worst effect are those nights tossing and with insomnia! Ugh it's basically a mild opiod withdrawl and your body itches for more kratom.
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
I get restless BODY syndrome.
It sucks
Same litterally my whole body. Worst part of withdrawals by a mile.
. Going on a 7 mile run in the rain when it’s 40 degrees out with no shirt on was like spiritual journey. I was totally calm, full of satisfaction and happiness for several hours every time I did it. Unfortunately I injured my hip and knee after too much running
I know what you mean :D
You need to shorten your stride, replace your shoes every 300-400 miles and stretch and not for just 15-20 seconds but 1-2 minutes for glutes, quads and hamstrings especially the inside tendon and do three sets of each. Doing the hamstring tendon makes want to scream when I’ve gone to long but by the third set what relief and you can feel how it’s pulled your hips apart. I discovered the dead hang over a month ago so I bought a cheap chin-up bar and put it outside on the deck. Could only hold for thirty seconds but I’d do it 4-6 x a day now I can go just over a minute. While handing I twist and then a pop or two in my lower back but what a fantastic stretch for spine stomach and glutes and definitely increases grip strength and shoulders. I’m 73 years old.
I'm quitting for good. I'm about 3 days from my 1st zero kratom day. I'm really worried about the insomnia. Im already an insomniac. Its the reason i failed all my other attempts. This time is different though. I feel the same way i did when i finally quit smoking. Im just so sick of it
Agmatine sulfate works great for tapering because it can potentate smaller doses. NAC is also great for rebalancing receptors. L-tyrosine and magnesium at night.
Getting anxiery from hearing this or just thinking of quitting
Been taking 15 grams a day for 4 years. The sleeplessness from jumpy legs keeps me up as I taper off. I wonder if any of you have gone to a doctor or detox. Got an appointment tomorrow, I’ll let you know what he says.
How’s it go?
What brand of black seed oil did you use? I ordered some off Amazon but idk if it's doing anything
any opinion about megadose vitamin c? some swear by it. is using that, or black seed oil just kicking the can down the road?
I couldn't do it because of the extreme diarrhea... it would have made it worse :(
It didn't work for me, but apparently, my mega doses were not mega enough, then it became too expensive.
I worked out very early around 4:15am 5 mornings/week. Felt sense of accomplishment and pumping fresh hemoglobin throughout. That way, I could sleep and taper more easily.
Have you noticed any weakness, strength or muscle loss on kratom? I feel like it’s impossible to get a pump on kratom and lost a lot of muscle but still workout and diet the same. Very weird
@@LoudenSwain: No muscle loss in the 3+ years of daily K usage. Lost some weight 12 lbs, but kept up a consistent regimen. I exercised early in the morn, BEFORE a dose, so that I could feel a pump if lifting correctly.
Great advice.
Working out was the biggest help when I did my first quit. It helps drastically.
@@LoudenSwainlong term kratom will make you weak or plateau and not be able to make progress. Quit for a couple weeks and don’t miss a day at the gym and I guarantee you will set new PRs on your lifts. Id bet money on it.
unfortunately i never had the self control for tapering down. it would work for half a day but by evening when i’d take my usual red dose, it was just the taper amount, but an hour later i just couldn’t help myself and would take more. like quitting smoking, i knew the only way for me is cold turkey. i’m on day 4 now. i’d relapse in a second if i could, it’s so annoying and can’t do anything. my life has just come to a complete stop. i get nothing done, days wasted. before kratom i had a sleeping disorder, and now it’s back. i don’t know what to do. i just want feel normal again
You have a cool voice. You could do audiobooks.
Do you think you will ever be able to take it recreationally once in a while? Or no interest?
I don’t have any interest but I know it’s beneficial for many people in many circumstances
Are you still taking LDN ? Is it continuing to work better ? I took it years ago and felt a difference but I never stuck it out and I’m pretty sure now it’s gonna be the only thing to help me based on the longevity of my k use
Which black seed oil would you recommend?
ordered black seed oil . was wondering if immodium help at all too? opiode users claim it helps wirh withdrawal a bit.
Hello all just wanted to get some advice been taking extract for like 4-5 months 2-4 shots daily I wanted to switch to powder to quit with minimal withdrawal do you think that will help to get off the extract? I was only gonna take the powder for a week then jump off that. Do you think the withdrawal be still bad? Thanks for your option and advice
Good video i have a pretty addictive personality probably went through 4ish bottles probably no more than 70grams each bottle capsule wise. These videos made me stop. Withdrawal is a mf dont wish it on anyone
Phenibut helps a lot, stimulants helps a whole lot after the physical symptoms
Hi Joey...I do need some help with this I have no one in my life to help me with this...i went to ur book an appointment w you...but i dont see anything to click to make that appointment
I kinda woke up one day and didnt feel the want to take it, something told me id be fine without it. I took 30-50 caps per day, for months. Currently 3 days off. Im done waating my momey and racing trying to find ways to get more
Thank you for the videos I have been on Kratom for 8 months. Using around 4-6 grams a day i fell I need to take a break or quit . So I have been sober from it for 4 days really had no side effects other than feeling moody and irritated and mild body aches. Idk I go back to work tomorrow and I’m really fearing it . I have a small bag of kratom that I don’t want to use but I think it’s going to be the only thing that will get me thru my high stress job .
I’ve quit for a week. Used 2 to 3 spoonfuls for a couple years. Haven’t had much of any withdrawal symptoms besides thinking it would be nice to take some. I feel like I might go buy more tomorrow
Im on day 2 of complete CT off a high dose and im honestly miserable. Im in Arkansas so i cant do the taper at the moment had to just quit. Honestly the only thing helping me is hot baths with espon salt . Do you know if moderate dose of immodium(it is a type of opiate )would atleast help me get some rest?
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
How long did you take the black seed oil for and how often?
Does anyone have any experience with the extracts vs powder? I have only used the extracts so I don't know how much that equates to in GPD? I've been using for about 4.5 months and want to quit now.
I am struggling so hard with this I did it once and then I got back on it and I cannot find it in me too do it again. Idk what too do.
I tried quitting cold turkey after 24 grams a day for 6 years. I slmost lost my mind and had to run out and buy some overpriced kratom to ween off slowly. Its the worst withdraw to me. Compared to the high at least
Are u still on Lexapro? Does that help with sleep?
Did you ever try micro dose with the magic mushrooms ?
Why didn’t u taper ?
I don’t plan to quick for a while but I dread it when I do. I take between 14-20 grams a day. Half of that on the morning and the other half around dinner. I notice even cutting out the morning dose that I start to feel sub par. Really disrupts my sleep and mood even keeping the night dose in. I’ll
Adjust to that after a few weeks and then end up back taking the morning Kratom again. I think the problem is the really like taking Kratom and have kept my use consistent over the last 6 years never really increasing my use beyond what I listed here. I just wonder if I’d be happier without it some days.
Dude, I totally get where you're coming from. It's tough when something you enjoy starts messing with your sleep and mood. Maybe try taking a break for a few days and see how you feel. And remember, it's all about finding what makes YOU happier in the end. You got this!
I tried kava supplements it seems to help support the withdrawal but not completely.
Does agmatine sulfate help at all during k withdrawals?
Did you try magnesium for the restless legs?
I couldn’t bc of the diarrhea
@@joeytalksaboutlife Magnesium glycinate does not cause diarrhoea like the others, but you are off now, and all better 🙂
I get really bad restless legs when I don’t take it. I’m on a taper right now to hopefully quit. I’m down to 10g/day. Tapering about 1/4g down each dose.
Yep. They suck
It's like night and day if you take it slow... If you taper fast you're in for it fyi
St John's wort has helped me im day 3 cold turkey
I got the flu went all day without kratom i was doing 6 scoops in morning and 7 or 8 scoops afternoon thanks to delta 8 iam doing 3 scoops for a week now and pushing to get to zero
Hows it going man? I hope you're doing alright and get off without too much pain.
@@ReapingTheHarvest getting better just cant sleep well and some aches n stomach issues but thank u for asking I think I can stop just gotta keep pushing
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
Trying to book with you n your links don’t work
So, I take kratom for pain and pain alone. I dont really struggle with anxiety or anything. I do need to stop taking it a week before my surgery on December 6th. Any advice?
How much do you take daily?
@joeytalksaboutlife It is different every day. Anywhere from 8 to 16 capsules. Most days, probably 12. That is throughout the entire day.
Head over to the quitting kratom subreddit, they helped me massively, couldn't have gone from 42 to 4.8gpd, (and still reducing) without them.
Has anyone withdrawled from coffee and what were the symptoms for how long?
Horrid headaches that don't go away. I gave up and will just drink coffee for the rest of my life
Sorry I was talk texting on my last comment. So lots of errors LOL just don't start taking this stuff if you have it already. That's my advice
I have withdrew from prescribed opiates and what some prescribe is clonidine which helps with rls ..sleeplessness..cold sweats..theres imodium for the runs and also a type of trazadone for nerves....its a Godsend..i was on methadone which is the worst because it takes at least a month..where hydros or oxys leave thr body quicker in a week..maybe the kray stores up and so it takes longer..so a med that can help clean like goldenseal and burning fat like a carnivore diet or fasting.
Also weed and kava help with symptoms
Did you ever look into IV NAD?
For me i had terrible restless arms.
Is lions mane good for kratom breaks?
I was taking that as well. Didn’t feel anything from it but took it anyway
@joeytalksaboutlife would it be a waste of money for me to get some for kratom breaks