My first question. Does the strain make a difference? Maeng Da vs red bali etc? I used to use MD but i noticed a few years ago id get dizzy like i had vertigo and I immediately stopped and went to Krave Red bali. I went to kratom after Norco abuse. Long story short I have been on K for 10 years and i moved to krave due to availability and noticed it was light on me. It helped with happiness and excitement and relationships etc. similar to you. Im sick of this shit. My work situation is going to play a huge role. Im around 80 grams or less a day. No sense in fooling myself or others on how much. I thought i would taper ever so slightly? 75g then 70g then 65g .... but pressing my withdrawal symptoms to very little and keep working my way down. Like you saids it will power! Going to start tomorrow.
This is the first time I'm seeing your channel but here I am. I've been taking Kratom for several years now 250 grams every 5 -7 days. How bad will quitting be for me in your opinion.
@@FlockinIceholeDid you quit? I'm asking cause I only saw this because I'm thinking of quitting today. Been on it for years and taking 250grams every 5 or 6 days.
Hey everyone, kratom can make you feel trapped like your never going to be able to quit. Just know you can and you will if you really want it bad enough. God is on your side.
Started using kratom to help quit 15 years opiate use…and I found I loved kratom! After 5 years it wasn’t working the same anymore. I needed to take 50 plus gpd to not feel like crap! Was planning an overseas trip for last October with my wife and kratom was illegal there. I quit pre-trip in August at about 25gpd cold turkey. I felt like crap for 2 weeks. Couldn’t sleep more than about an hour at a time. Megadosed 9:49 on Vitamin C Ascorbate. Gradually felt better after 2 weeks and am now 5 months clean. Still experiencing PAWS but feel pretty normal. So thankful to be clean and in recovery! Hope and pray to never go back. Recovery is a journey! Take the plunge if you need and press through the pain! It is worth it on the other side! Jesus is the King!
My story sounds like yours but I'm still taking it and scared to stop because of the withdrawals with opioids. Please tell me it's not that bad. Need to get off this shit.
I figured id find a comment giving Jesus the credit. With his help all things are possible to them that believe. Prayer for myself is to slowly taper pushing to slight WD and then holding there and then down a bit on the dosage and feel more WD and then down again. I dont remember what its like to be sober, besides Dr Pepper or chocolate. Im currently dosing high g's and hope to be sober completely in a few months. Thank you Jesus for sobriety!
@@markflanagan6653im in the same boat. Im trusting my Lord and Savior. Its foolish of me to talk to others about God and addiction when here i am using. God used Kratom to get me off Norcos but we have a will of our own God doesn't interfere with decision making. He opens doors but we have to walk through them. Im going to try a gradual taper. If i make the decision to act or move forward, HE will be right there with me. Same with you. God bless
My story is 4.5 years of Red Bali kratom addiction. At my peak I was using 20-40 grams per day. More recently as little as 4. A few months ago I started drinking along with the kratom. This is a really bad idea, you can develop toxic liver syndrome, but man I loved those two things together. I was also using Supreme Red Bali so, the strongest and most opiate like strain of all. Plus alcohol on top. I detoxed WAY to fast from both at the same time and it was a total nightmare. I am almost a week in and I am just starting to feel close to normal. I slept a lot today, but the body pain came on late and was awful. Before that, I was unable to even lay down for sleep for three days. Please do not mix kratom with alcohol, it is dangerous. The Red Bali is particularly hard to get off. Really happy to be free from this stuff. I am alcohol and kratom free. I even threw away my cannabis vape pen today. Ready for a clean happy life. I feel free.
My experience is very similar to yours. I used that same amount of kratom for about 6 years, all while drinking about 8 beers everyday. Last week I reached a point where I felt so sick of this lifestyle. Not only is it expensive, but it's so unhealthy, both physically and mentally. I stopped using kratom 4 days ago, and I'm starting to feel better. I quit alcohol two days ago, and today was pretty rough. Anyways, I hope you stay true to breaking the habit, please give us an update on how you're doing. Good luck!
So happy I found this. I’m 48 hours off kratom at 20 GPD. I was taking 5 grams every 4 hours and for 3 years. I noticed on it after a while, it made me feel worse. So I quit. Now I’m a recovering opiate addict, heroin, pills, ect. The withdrawal isn’t as bad as those. Some RLS, some mild discomfort, sneezing, and today no RLS, but slept 3 hours last night. No energy. What you’re describing is definitely a hardcore opiate withdrawal. I really haven’t had diarrhea. But I wasn’t having much of a problem going on kratom. My heart rate goes up moving around. I am done with this crap. The kratom made me feel worse. Anxiety, panic attacks, depression ect. I feel more positive than I did when I was on Kratom! Lol😂 thank you for making this video!
I was on roughly 20-25 gpd for about 2 years. I tapered pretty quickly for about a week and was already feeling bad withdrawal so I just quit. My last dose was roughly 5 and a half days ago. Today I don’t feel as restless or hot and cold. The lack of motivation is also slightly better. I have always had bad insomnia so I’m a bit concerned about possibly having weeks of that to look forward to. On a positive note, kratom had been causing me terrible anxiety and anger issues and both of those have almost completely disappeared. I knew I needed to quit to become the best version of myself so a bit of suffering is not only the price I have to pay but also will act as a reminder of why I can’t start taking it again. Withdrawal to me is a reminder that high highs come with low lows.
Congrats man, honestly you look a lot healthier. Remember when I was taking it daily, the mornings I was so tired I couldn't hardly move. There's no free high everything comes at a price.
I went cycling this weekend in Nature, did 60km to find myself in pure bliss. Beautiful summer thunderstorms around that luckily did not get me. After you come home you feel awesome, your body is strengthened and getting stronger. So, i'd say that there is a "free" and even healthy high.
I'm so glad that you're making these videos. I was in almost the same boat as you when I got into kratom, and it was hard to imagine life without it, but I've finally been tapering with the intention of quitting. Kratom was great, and I'm glad that it's around to help people, but it just can't be a pillar of my life any more, especially with its future looking murkier and murkier by the day.
I quit back in October. 80gpd for a few years. Rapidly tapered over a period of about a month down to 10gpd of powder. Jumped completely off at 10g. Very similar experience to what you described. Having a positive mindset during the discomfort helps. The lack of sleep was by far the worst part of it for me personally.
Holy shit feeling like ass and RLS for 6 weeks ?? That’s insane! I jumped off of suboxone ( 4mg per day 12 year addiction COLD TURKEY ) jumped off 3 weeks ago. I got through 6 days and felt amazing. I truly believe God helped me and answered my prayer. Of course being an addict you already should know I screwed up. On day 7 I was getting slight ( what if’s ) so I took a couple of tabs ( then it became 8-9 a day ) now stopping tabs cold turkey HAS CAUSED MAJOR WITHDRAWAL ( I mean my effin body feels like every muscle fiber wants to explode out of my skin. Also have major RLS !!! Shit is driving me INSANE and no sleep. Well I jumped back and turned to kratom. It helps me but I still can’t sleep and the RLS is still there. However I will say I’m only toying with the kratom ( taking 1gram maybe 2 at a time ) for a total of 3-5 grams for the whole day ( which is 24 hours since I’m up nonstop.
Any chance you could possibly relate 80 gpd into tablespoons. I've been taking two heaping tablespoons and one level tablespoon 3 to 4 times a day for some time and just curious.
@@ONTHEEDGEFRED sorry for the late response. I'm not sure on tablespoons. But I would guess you're pretty close to 80gpd. Probably a little less, but hard to be sure.
Kratom withdrawal is hell. It’s different than the traditional opiate withdrawals. The mental aspect of it is insane. They have some SSRI effect, they have to. The way your brain is effected after quitting is brutal. 10 year user here 60 GPD and have quit multiple times. Hopefully this will be my last. The withdrawal is torture!!
Joey, thank you so much for your videos. I’ve been taking Kratom for about 4 years now-everyday. I’ve always been against “drugs” (no judgment on anyone who does them, I clearly understand) because of my Father and what he goes through with addiction. Now I love him so much more, because I feel like I’ve had a glimpse of how exhausting addiction can be. I’ve been off of ADHD meds for a month and a half now-but upped my Kratom dose to ease those withdrawals. So back to square one again with tapering off of Kratom. My faith helps me SO much-and vids like this are so uplifting for my soul and give me hope. I want Kratom out of my life forever, it’s ruining me in so many ways. ***Disclaimer-If anyone reads this and takes Kratom daily-I completely understand why you do it and I have no intention of judging you. This is my personal journey with it, and it feels good to talk about how painful it’s been for me and my mental state. Not just mental-but absolutely physical as well. If anyone relates to addiction of any substance-I just want you to know that YOU GOT THIS!! You are loved and cared for more than you know. Everyday is a new start. When I mess up on some days, I get so defeated and feel like a failure. BUT THATS NOT TRUE!!! Keep going. Do it with Love. And never give up!!!
Thanks. I had no idea there was such a large community here. I've taken it here and there since 2018 and every time I quit before I had zero withdrawals. But now this last stretch of four months or so, like almost three when I started trying almost 2 months ago, suddenly out of nowhere I get severe withdrawals, wake up at night covered in sweat and shake chills, crawling out of my skin feeling, plus the mental mind screws. This is so not cool and the other half dozen quits not having any effect baffles me now. I mean why now and not the other 6 or 7 times? Thanks for your support man. This quit is the last when I finally pull it off, like hell no way I'm coming back thru this ever again.
been taking kratom for 3-4 years daily now and its like I have lost 3-4 years of my life.... the anxiety completely shut me down to things I love, and my response was to just take more kratom....
"If anyone reads this and takes Kratom daily-I completely understand why you do it" Seeing as people use kratom for many different reasons, this is a ridiculous statement. But good luck with your attempts at empathy.
Kratom definitely saved my life. I appreciate what the American Kratom Association does. But they should really research how to help people quit Kratom.
So I'm nearly 144 hours clean off of Kratom. Day 6. The worst of it today has been the lack of energy, chills and stomach cramps. Plus there's this weird taste in my mouth that no matter what I do I can't shake. I went out today and got some magnesium supplements which I wish I'd started days ago but you live and learn. Last night was rough, very little sleep, too hot then too cold couldn't get comfortable but there was no restless legs so I'm hoping that they have gone for good. I never want to experience that again. I know I've got a long few weeks ahead of me but the physical withdrawals really have started to die off now and it's nowhere near as bad as a few days ago. Dry lips is another thing I experienced but the chills and goosebumps I'm hoping will go soon because I'm sick of feeling cold. Stay strong everyone wanting to quit. You can do it
Currently on a slow taper of about 40g/day for a whopping 6 years. Even a slight decrease has me experiencing aggressive wd symptoms. I’ve abused morphine sulfate, vics and percs before, and these slight instances of wd feels EXACTLY like my opiate wd. I’m forced to quit because I’ll be traveling for business soon, and I CANNOT be lugging around bags of kratom. Magnesium glycerin, black seed oil, gabapentin, ibuprofen, 5HTP, and Mucuna Puriens are all stocked up ready for the final day. I’m so thankful for the creators like you that have prepared me for finally quitting the green sludge.
@@joeytalksaboutlife i just realized that my initial sentence sounded weird. I meant to say that I’ve been doing 40g/day for 6 years. Have been on a slow taper for 6 months now. Currently down to 10g/day spread over 4 doses. I plan to completely stop by mid February. I have to. I run 2 businesses overseas, and I have to start traveling to and from, as well as staying months at a time overseas. That, and I’m a bodybuilder. Kratom has killed off my test via prolactin increase, so I’ve had to “supplement” with enclo. There’s been a really weird interaction between the enclo and kratom, and it makes the small bouts of WD VERY weird and uncomfortable.
Add lipsomal vitamin c to that list and start "front loading": you can take magnesium and/or BSO among other things, in place of the kratom you're subtracting during the taper. You're better off with DLPA and L-Tyrosine than mucuna too, as mucuna can down regulate dopamine production, as it's one step away from being a direct replacement for it in its leva dopa content.
Oh wow. Was not expecting this! I've been on the fence about quitting for many reasons. I hate that they killed your other channel but im glad you are sharing your experience here. Thanks so much for everything Joey!
I was on kratom for about 2 years. At my highest dose i was taking around 20. Most days stay around 10. I quit for 4 months. I had withdrawals for about 3 maybe 4 days. Nothing like real opiates, but similar in feeling i suppose. I started back up a month ago for pain from work. Got tired of choking down tylenol all day and kratom works way better. It's easy to creep up to around 15 to 20 grams. I recommend keeping your dose low as long as you can and you shouldn't get any negative side effects. I haven't touched alcohol hardly at all since starting kratom again. Thank you for all the info you've given! It's been wonderful having it
I've been taking it daily for 10 years. 15 - 20 gpd for the past 6 years. I never feel the need to increase my daily dose and don't see a reason to ever quit taking it as it doesn't have any negative impacts on my life and the benefit are many.
Thx for this comment. I'm at about 2 years also. Took me all that time to reach a point of often taking 2-3 doses per day. Daytime dose 3-5g, but I'm finding 6-8g of a strong red vein at night often helps bring on sleep. I must be lucky because if i take any more than that in a day, I lose most of the benefits, and if I try to add more, I just feel tired. Admittedly, I don't like going longer than 24 hours without it. Not so much wd's as I just start feeling the pain issues creeping back. Like you, I drink almost no alcohol now. And yes, its great to have someone sharing their K journey - however I came here to find out which tabs Joey liked because I'm gonna order some - lol. ***EVERYTHING IN MODERATION***
@@Karen_Marie I would love to know if you ever stop for a couple or more days to see if you get WD's, and if so, how are they? I've been taking it regularly for 2 years - between 5 and 15 g's per day. Stopped a couple times for 2-3 days r found it quite beneficial for clearing the bowels (lolo but serious too!). A little nervousness after 18-20 hours, so quelled it with 1mg lorazepam. Next day, I took 2 immodium to avoid too many trips to the bathroom (seriously, this helps!), and at some point a single tramadol with 2 tylenol. After that, clear-minded, clear sailing. I think moderation is the key, or as the all the wise ones in the kratom community say, LESS IS MORE.
Same boat as many of us in the comments. It helped me kick the bottle and has done wonders for my family life. I've been a faily user for about a year and a half now and realize that its time to come off. Currently around 8 to 16 grams per day(down from 30pd) got some stem for the tapper to 4pd. I work a physical job and im nervous about hiw its going to affect me at work. Gonna get back to my pre krat weight training and hope for the best
I really relate to everything you said as to why you found kratom. I was suicidal when I found it and until lately, I felt it saved me. It had the exact same effect on me until suddenly it was having the opposite effect. It gives you those unearned endorphines and stops you from doing things that give you natural endorphines for a reason (exercise, goal driven work). One day you look back and realise all you've done is drench your brain in dopamine trying to survive rather than doing things that actually make a change in your life to deal with the root cause of depression. I think this plant should be used as a very occasional tool, but every day completely takes all motivation from you, because why would your brain bother when it's getting all the endorphines it wants by sitting and knocking back a powder?
I’m going through a hell of a week weening off kratom. I now know I have upper back pain, couldn’t feel it before. And I am not nearly as friendly as I thought I was. I cannot sleep, and I feel like my skeleton is trying to escape my body. Your video is making me feel better. 9 year daily user. Different doses throughout. Was drinking 1-1.5 bottles of extract. Couldnt justify a $20 a day kratom habit. Currently at 7.2g powder max a day. Thinking I may have dropped amount too fast.
Im stopping the shots too, about 60 hours into full abstinence from a 3-4 bottle/day extract habit. The 3 days prior to these 60 hours, I reduced one bottle per day until I reached zero. It’s been hell, but a tip.. if you can get up and go for walks or get some basic exercise in, it helps immensely. Sitting still though really makes it feel sooooo much worse, but at the same time getting up feels impossible to do. Good luck to you.
Day 5. Last night was a lot better. Some lingering RLS but nowhere near as bad and got a good 6 hours sleep. Some chills, some diarrhea, lack of appetite and lack of energy are still lingering but dear lord nowhere, I repeat nowhere, near as bad as day 1,2 & 3. Think about it, in 5 day I've gone from being a full blown addict to being nearly over the worst of the physical withdrawals. If I can do this, a heavy user for 4 years who quit cold turkey with no taper, cab quit, then so can you. Just keep that end goal in sight and realise you're so much stronger than you think.
I quit a 3 year 60 GPD habit and it honesty wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. The problem was that I went back after 2 months after just trying to use it once in a while. Lol. Yea, that doesn’t work in case you were wondering. Now I’m 6 months into another 50+ GPD habit and it’s been 24 hours since my last dose. I’m not feeling great, but it definitely could be worse. I agree with Joey about the sleep part. I used to load up on powder before bed. Without Kratom I’m not planning to sleep very well. A person could try sleeping medications to help with this, but then you’re looking at quitting a whole other habit. Life is hard guys. At least for people like us it is. Hang in there my people.
Hey everyone I just wanted to let you all know that I'm on day 17 of quitting green kratom cold turkey and I feel pretty much totally back normal. A bit of fatigue and stomach issues but everything else has totally gone. I sleep OK, I don't feel exhausted when I wake up in the morning, I'm laughing and loving life again. It gets better everyone. It really does.
The sleep was horrible. I'd wake up every hour and have to drink every 3 hours. I lost the ability to complete consecutive sleep cycles. I'd always wake up by the end of each cycle. I was going through one of those 20oz bags in about a week, which is about 80g/day just like you. Currently I'm down to about 10-20g/day. I'm so proud I was able to go 12 hours without a dose and only woke up once in the night. It feels so good to be coming off the stuff.
Hey brother, proud of you. Going to follow you on this journey. I am also a man of God and stuck on this. It makes me feel seperated from spiritual life. I hope to be able to share my journey day with you.
Hey Joey! Glad you got off that garbage. I watched your channel when I quit nearly 3 years ago. I was one of the Kratom haters that made comments on your content. I knew you would eventually quit. Everybody does eventually have to stop. Quitting for me was BRUTAL!! Anybody watching this still using, do yourself a favor. STOP NOW!!!!
Joey this is amazing!!! You look great! I watched your videos before and am in the process of quitting kratom too. I too am a believer and know that I have become addicted to it. Blessings man! Love your new content and I appreciate these videos so much as it is hard to find content on quitting. Godspeed!
31 days. Your channel helped me so much when I was just starting out. I was TERRIFIED starting out. Your whole vibe and knowledge base gave me the faith that I could do it. So much ♥️ to you.
Hey brother, just want to say this video series has been super helpful, I’ve been off for about five days now, I’m definitely feeling it, great to have a light at the end of the tunnel and someone else’s perspective. God bless
I’d recommend 5HTP and Mucuna Prureins (Velvet Bean) to replenish those receptors. It was recommended for me during my taper. I am on roughly about 8-10gpd and slowly tapering. I take it for CFS and nerve pain, but I’d like to reach connection with my body without it…to get to the root of my issues. I know that’s a minuscule amount compared to most, but any change in routine can be difficult. You have always been one of my favorite to watch! I’m rooting for you, Joey. ❤
I had no idea how many grams I had actually been taking until looking it up just now. I would take an extract bottle daily which is 300mg and .3 grams. So compared to some that’s not a lot! Albeit I am very small so it could have equaled out. I’m trying to taper myself, I’m tired of being a slave to Kratom. I’m experiencing RLS, night sweats, day chills, and low, low energy. I’ve wanted to quit for so long and I’m glad I’ve found your videos. We can do this!
Had no idea that stuff was really addictive and came with withdrawals. Live rural area with no shops. Always ordered online. The site I order from went down for over a week and my 3 year 40 gpd habit was abruptly ended. Felt so bad that I’d never touch that stuff again. Feel so much better without. Insomnia and no joy in life for about 2 weeks sucked. Just have to push through it.
I take a one month break every year, which is okay-ish. I know that I have to do it to keep my tolerance in check, but life is way easier for me with my Kratom safety net as an ex alcoholic (surprise). I take 6g of Kratom as a tea (which is as strong as around 3-4g of powder) 2-4x a week in the evening, and I take a 7 day tolerance break every month. Been pretty successfull with that regiment for the last 5 years and I don't really plan on stopping as I don't really experience heavy side effects from it. And it keeps me away from the bottle, which is super helpful as I don't want to die in the near future.
May I ask, how do you make a Kratom tea that has a taste that is bearable? I HATE the taste of Kratom but love the effects of tea. IS there anything you can recommend to make it an enjoyable experience????? Thanks!!
@@jnewmark41 I always strain my tea, with the powder gone it's already 50% better. I also use a lot of water during the steeping process, always 0,5 litres, which comes in handy because K dehydrates big time. Most of the time I also mix it with 0,5l of chai tea and oat milk when I really want to calm down and relax while watching a movie or series with my gf (she also prepares her tea the same way, so we make a big batch). We sip on it for an hour then, as it tastes good and is better on the stomach if you don't slam it down like crazy.
That's what I was doing for a while and was fine with that. Went through something recently where I made a decision to just use kratom only and been taking it daily for two months. Man I'm either wanting to quit or cut back to no more than three days a week!!!
@@joeytalksaboutlife Fantastic......and the good thing is Kratom is always there if you need it in the future. Now you know you can succeed. Also, you never followed up about the Ketamine treatments. I am a huge advocate for Ketamine therapy as many of my patients have done extremely well for depression/ptsd. Are you still using this treatment as needed? Thanks Joey!!!
I appreciate you video my husband has been taking kratom for 4 years now but now it's worse then ever he's taking 4-6 bottles of the concentrated black opms ..hes tried to stop a few times but the withdrawls get the best and he buys it again...ive bee lm trying to help him but i don't see an ending financially physically emotionally it's exhausting to me.... I'm so happy you were able to get off thanks for the video so i have a somewhat idea of what the withdrawls are like
Hear ya! I'm 64 and K has been a life saver. As others have said (maybe it was you!), at my age, I'm not too worried about addiction, however I do worry that if I end up somewhere without it, I night get some WD's. In that regard, I guess I am dependent to some degree. Traveling to Italy in a few months, so I guess I better start tapering. K is illegal there and I don't think a special/expensive trip to Europe from the U.S. would be much fin spent in WD - yikes!
Yes! Amount and breaks mean everything. M O D E R A T I O N I S K E Y. And use extracts only on special occasions. Anything in excess is not good. I'm hoping Joey goes into his dosage routines here, as I am using other's experiences to gauge mine and learn from what they've done right and wrong. Thanks @@Earthstarsky and everyone else positing their experiences. Until we have many years of studies, we only have one-another and our own experiences to go on, so this is extremely valuable!
@@angelacohen4531 May I ask how they were packaged? Its interesting how some companies put KRATOM! all over the packaging, and others its nowhere - it might say mitragynine or mit. speciosa. I would try to bring the latter in factory-sealed package. I was thinking gummies and/or capsules.
This is such a helpful video, thank you! I took 3 heaping spoonfuls of moodright white everyday for 2.5 years, and I have nothing bad to say about it. I tapered down slowly and I'm a week without Kratom today. The insomnia is very bad, and I also feel like my feelings are numb. I know there's light at the end of the tunnel so I'm trying to stay focused.
I'm so glad I found your video. As I was about to order more kratom. Definitely the numbness, stomach issues got me. I have about 10 G left, going to toss them in the garbage. Thank you so much!
Thanks for your video! I had a 6 week long relapse (about 10 to 20 grams a day) after 2 years clean. Today is the second zero day and it sucks despite pregabalin. But being on it is no perspective for life. I'm turning 50 this year and being an addict is exhausting AF. I think my ADHD plays a big role in this. For anyone who wants to withdraw from Kratom or another opioid, Pregabalin is a great help, but I wouldn't take it for longer than 7-10 days, otherwise you'll have the next problem on your hands. Kind regards from Berlin (Germany) LLAP 🖖
When I watched this video and another video of yours on this subject, when you said 7 weeks a chill went down my spine!! Jesus. So I'm wondering if during this process if high doses of vitamin Bs and Cs would help at all??
Been on kratom for 9 years and im up to 1kg every 2-3weeks. Im starting the taper and im scared of the withdrawals but i need to do this for the sake of my health. Reading these comments are really helping me right now, thanks for the post would love if youd do a live Q&A!
I take 4 or 5 grams every other day. I can’t imagine 80 FFS. No wonder you have wd’s. Smarter to reduce by 1 gram a day for 80 days IMHO. Heather Ashton’s work on Benzo’s is brilliant and would apply here- in terms of smooth tapering.
Stopped for 5 months. I was taking up to 20 grams or less a day for 3 years. I needed to take some medical tests and needed it out of my body. I tapered down to 3 grams/day until I completely stopped. Was lethargic most of my day and layed down quite often. Daily early morning workouts gave me some structure and help to clean my body. I used your Kratom journal to keep on track. I have found no substitutes except caffeine tabs that seem to work. I recently started using 2 grams of White Mangda every so often to get some activities accomplished. I’m stopping at 2 or 3 grams. Did you exercise while tapering/quitting? What do you take for the depression and lack of energy? Good going my brother. May our Lord guide us through this journey of life.
Kratom probly has your testosterone in the gutter , it messes with your hormones. So look into boosting your T. Exercise is good to restore endorphins. But maybe some supplements or something. It will come back but how long depends on the person.
@@billlumbergh9251kratom fucks your natural T levels by raising your prolactin. That’s exactly what happened to me, so now I’m doing a slow taper. Prolactin reduced my levels down to 300nG/dL, and it’s strange because I’m young, and a gym rat. I started taking enclomiphene (technically a ped, but oral), and it’s saved my test levels. I wish more people discussed how kratom fucks a man’s test levels via prolactin increase. I almost never hear about it.
Wow man this is huge congratulations! I appreciate everything you’ve put out there in both channels dude Ty I’m trying to taper from 35gpd for 4 years The lowest I’ve gone down is 20 gpd so far for the past month. I have chronic pain and idk what to do when I can’t get rid of it with anything like ice massage (ANYTHING) there’s a lot of times when I just think Wtf am I suppose to do if the only thing DRs want to do is put me on SSRIS Gapientan or Lyrica. I’m on Day 2 of Keto I really hope that lessens the myofascial pain Edit: it didn’t too much but Intermittent fasting kinda dials it down a bit 🤏 Down to 20gpd sometimes 15 but can’t see to go lower then that while working and watching my son
Ya, I'll have to book a session when I get paid. I'm almost ready. For same reasons. Also mental health issues, trauma, etc. It's been one, long 8 and 1/2 year journey. .
Thanks for sharing this level-headed and objective viewpoint without the holier-than-thou ravings heard from most stories of personal experience. Okay, I have to admit being one of those who has said, "I stopped and felt only minor symptoms", but have never gone more than 3 days. Insomnia is brutal and I did have it a couple nights when I stopped, so I have nothing but admiration for your being able to deal with that for FIVE WEEKS - wow! From what I hear, the feeling of wd's is akin to RLS (which I get too often). I would rather die than live with the feeling of acute RLS, and from what I hear, that's what wd feels like, so I'm hoping to be able to keep my doses low AND stop for maybe a week here and there without losing my mind. Plus, I am hoping to go to countries in Europe this Spring where its banned, so I'll be packing a shit-ton of Hirsuta, Akuamma, Gabapentin, vitamins...
On your other channel you gave recommendations for things that could lower your tolerance and help with withdrawal effects, any chance you can refresh my memory on what they were??
Thanks Joey, did you use any pharmaceuticals to help with the withdrawal? I know you used supplements and D8 and maybe some other otc products, and I know you previously had used lexapro and some other meds, so I’m guessing no. Anyway thanks for sharing this, great info.
Day 8 no kratom and feeling better all the time. Head rushes are the worst of it now. Slept much better last night. Worked out. Feeling good. Let's do this.
Hey Joey, I really appreciate you sharing your experience. You've been an amazing advocate in the Kratom community. I know you didn't take it for chronic pain, but there are many of us who do. I was abandoned by my pain management doctor in 2019 and am so grateful I found this botanical. It's been life-changing for me, providing even better pain relief than 9 years of taking my FDA-approved pharmaceuticals. What are your thoughts for those of us who suffer from pain issues?
Same. I would have been on opioidRx for rest of my life for physical let me say again not emotional but physical body injuries that will never heal therefore, pain is not emotional it’s detailed over four decades on MRIs X-rays, catscans, my medical records are four decades long, and bodily pain from few different areas of my body pelvis, spine/back, legs, wrists, knees . I was basically bedridden in 24/7 debilitating pain. I’ve suffered three decades in and out of hospital begging for pain management and finally after a hysterectomy that almost killed me, I had a primary care physician, that approved the opioidrx and I was thriving. No more Cancer, but that surgery left me worse off then before and added to my already chronic body injuries suffered as a child and teen. Again, my pain will not go away. I need pain management for mobility, and functionality. Unfortunately, during covid BS my doc was forced to retire. I was transferred into pain management which is an absolute joke. They cut my meds significantly. I was spiraling my pain was intolerable again and then they abandoned me. Joey and Kratom saved my life. There are individuals who need medication for life and we shouldn’t be judged or spoken to like we have done something wrong. Honestly, I am confused why anyone, would want someone to suffer. Opioid therapy prescribed by a doctor taken as prescribed and responsible respectively taken saves lives. The main benefit of opioid RX is for pain. It’s not supposed to be taken recreationally. The narrative is opioids are bad. I mean marijuana was bad until it’s rebranded as cannabis right now. My point is if you need medication you take it. Any medication or alcohol, even tobacco, shoot even sugar, caffeine causes withdrawal symptoms like Joey explained. Love to all ❤
Hi Madalyn! Great to see you! Yes, and I am in full support of people using kratom for whatever reason they find fit. My stance on kratom is still the same as it was before :D
@@moneymonroesays I agree with you 100%. Chronic pain is, in itself, a disease and can lead to mental health issues and even death. Kratom is actually NOT a classic opiate and can be extremely effective for all kinds of pain. I wish you all the best!!! ❣
@@jnewmark41 Unfortunately, there is so much ignorance out there, regarding pain management. Like you said Tylenol runs your liver over time, but nobody cares when an elderly person dies. I try to make it very clear that my medical history is complex. I tried everything for years to naturally make my body heal. I ran track, danced, was a cheerleader in high school. I was very active but in constant struggle with a physically broken body. Orthopedic, oncologist, rheumatologist, I mean tons of doctors all reviewed my scans can see very clearly what is causing my debilitating pain and why I can’t walk, or function without opioidRx I was thriving for several on them. I didn’t need increased medication dosing because my doctor at the time knew we needed to figure out at what dose and times per day. Once that was established I was doing great mobile and independent no longer bedridden in excruciating pain but the DEA was allowed to just interfere and pain may became barbaric torture or patient abandonment. Kratom is getting a very unfair reputation those who are ignorant don’t understand. Pain medication is bad until you need it. I mean the doctors on TH-cam getting censored is nuts and I get Joey needing to change his channel. If you are lucky to grow old and not require any medication ever then consider yourself in purely lucky. ♥️🤗
Joey what you think is the best supplement for wd?my worst wd,was anhedonia,it's like extreme boredome,every minute feels like an hour,I'm quite active,but struggle with motivation,fatigue,8 days,was longest I stayed off it in 3 years.the 8th day was worse than the first 7.my sweats didn't start to day5.i was using upto 60gpd,but last few months im under 25gpd.best luck and welldone joey.
Hey Joey. I want to quit this stuff once and for all. I want to taper off and not in a huge hurry. Am I better off taking 5 small doses throughout the day or 3 spread further apart?
I'm dealing with it right now joey. The worst thing for me is the depression...I'll find myself crying dramatically, for no reason at all, but now the tears are staring to feel meaningful. I've been doing the thing you said on a video to take away half a gram every three days. Thank you. My current dose is 3.5 gs of filtered tea from powder 4- 5 times a day. I have been doing 80-125 pushups every night just to make myself feel like it's coming out of me.
How is it going? I am at the same point in my taper as you were when you wrote this. Was IV heroin for years, kicked and got on kratom. Not really disturbing my life situation, but I just don't feel like myself anymore. Plus it makes it too easy to be alone, I feel.
@@kylegood2622 hope your doing good man. I had to realize I was using extract powder mixed with regular kratom powder to give it that extra yk lol and now I'm just. On 2.8 g of regular kratom powder 4-5 times a day. A few days ago I did quit for a day and a half and I just decided to keep tapering super slow
I've been taking around eight 750mg capsules of maeng da around five times every day for almost two years (sometimes more if I'm having a bad day). If I go just a few hours without it I feel anxiety and my body hurts. I'm ready to quit. Kratom was supposed to be temporary for me when I got sober from alcohol to help deal with anxiety and depression so I can function in my day to day life. I plan to taper maybe one capsule a day, but the uncomfortable symtoms freak me out at work and I just end up taking more to feel "safe and comfortable." Do you have any tips and tricks to help ease the withdrawal symptoms when I'm out in public? Thats when my weakness gets the best of me.
I’m off to for like about two weeks and today I feel like shit. Low energy, not optimistic, uncomfortable in my body, etc. just like you said. I was toying with the idea of drinking some but I know it’s probably just WDs (i.e., temporary) even though I felt better yesterday and day before etc. Thanks for sharing cuz. Good to be reminded by someone who knows what’s up that what I’m feeling rn is normal.
Thank you for the honesty Joey! I tell people time and time again that keatom is an opioid and not nearly as safe as people make it. Youre getting the high youd get with traditional pain pills juet without the depressed breathing.
this is encouraging, close to 2 weeks since stopping. used capsules and extracts for a few months to help with tianeptine withdrawal. thought i might have some other physical issue before watching, didn't realize it can take so long.
Do you think you’ll ever try it again? I have to thank you for helping me schedule my dosing. Every 4 hours is my window. Thanks for sharing this Joey. All the best and I look forward to watching more videos from you.
I'm on day 3 of withdrawal from a 30mg cold turkey quit. Last night wasn't as bad as the first night the first night I barely slept but last night I got about 6 hours. The main issue was slight restless legs but not as bad as subutext rls nowhere near as bad. The waking up covered in sweat was pretty miserable and sleeping on the sofa so not to disturb my wife was a pretty miserable experience. Today I'm still struggling to find motivation and energy and the body chills are a pain but I'm feeling more positive than yesterday. Yesterday was pretty miserable, I'd walk for 5 minutes then need to sit down. I can't wait for at least a week in just to get rid of the restless legs and the stomach cramps. Meditation has been so difficult because I just don't feel comfortable. A weird thing is how emotional I feel, I've cried more in the last 2 days than I have in years but I think my emotions are just all over the place. Prayer has been a slight relief but I don't feel like my heart is truly in it. Stay strong if you're going through withdrawal it sucks but it will get better. It will
It's killing me, it literally is... And yet i do more! The other night i got soooo dizzy, heart rate was insane. And yet what did i do when these effects settled down? You got it! I hate being an addict
Followed your first channel. Been using kratom for 5 years. My wife is pregnant and I just don't want to be beholdened to the stuff. Because I currently am. It's a near constant. I like kratom I just really want to reduce from daily use to something occassional. Also saw something in the news about a guy having a seizure and dying from it. Anyhow, The RLS is the worst part. I'd probably take about 20 grams. I'm going to get aggressive. Starting at 4 grams in the morning and hopefully getting to 4 grams before bed so I can sleep. then taper to 2 grams and 4...then 2 and 2. Wish me luck. Thanks for all your information.
Joey, Thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds like you did what you needed to do. We all have that inner voice guiding us, right? I have been taking 3 grams 2 or 3 times per day, so a total of 6-9 grams per day, for 5 years. It has saved my life. I take it both for pain management and energy - I’ve been diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Before I found Kratom, I had to fight to stay both awake and productive. Frankly, I have no plans to quit, ever. Never say never, though. If I ever do need to quit, I will taper off very, very slowly - I will take an entire year to do it, if necessary.
@@joeytalksaboutlife can you share how long you used kratom for? I noticed you didn’t mention that very vital piece of info in any of your “kratom journey” stories lol
I was wondeirng. Ive been using kratom everyday now for about 3 years. Used it to get off methadone. Im taking about 20-25 grams a day. My friend gave me a few suboxine strips to use to kick kratom, i was thinking to cutt the sub strips up and that that wohld be helpful to get over the first few days of pain. Do yall think thatd work well?
If you used Kratom to get off of an opioid, Methadone, why would you want go back to using another opioid, Suboxone, to get off Kratom? To me that's jumping out of the fire and into the smoke then back into the fire. Kratom is not an opioid per say but it does behave like one so it is addictive and the withdrawals suck but Suboxone withdrawal is worse. There's no easy way to get off Kratom but it will be less painful than getting off a true opioid.
@@NATEROB009 I have 2 suboxine strips,, I figure I would cut them up and use them for 3-4 days,, I wouldn't think there'd be withdrawals using them for such a short time, ?, u think I'd withdrawal from subkxin using so little?,- the way I see it is that it'd just help a Lil going over the bump,
@@NATEROB009 the plan is to just use suboxine for a few days. To get over the hump so to say. Do u think that's a bad idea? I can't imagine I'd go thru suboxine withdrawals using it for so little of a time. What's your opinion?
Glad to hear Your Story. Man, I've never measured exactly how much I take, but I take two heaping tablespoons and one level tablespoon 3 to 4 times a day according to my schedule and have for years. My question is, do you think a slower taper may make things any easier?,
I’ve quit so many times before. I actually find the quit process enjoyable because i start enjoying music again. The longest I’ve been off though in 5 years is 4 months maybe. Can’t remember exactly how much i was taking because at that point I had kinda got so embarrassed I had stopped counting it. I’m looking to get off again soon and my plan is to just grind through 14 days and get on nalextrone. I’ve heard fantastic things about it and hopefully it can help with pain as well. That lethargy sounds horrible though I have to work physical labor and don’t know if I can do it. I’m thinking of ct tomorrow and seeing how far I get and then gonna try the stem and vein taper thing
it not that anyone "stops liking music as much".....but rather the detox process causes emotional lability, so responding to music can seem more intense.@@joybiddie6575
@@joybiddie6575 no idea but it seems like a common thing. Almost makes the entire wd worth it to be honest. Just having a few beers watching Alice In Chains unplugged down in a hole and crying
@@joybiddie6575When I first start taking k I love music! I loved everything! Now after four years I don't like music. I don't like movies. I hardly like anything. I just sit and chill.
im at like 100g a day after a year of using it. i started because i had to get sober from alcohol and it did help temporarily but I'm at a place where it has gotten out of control. i have gotten off it in the past before i started a year ago after small period of using it but never tried after using it for this long in this amount. I'm very much struggling with how to go about it! esp since i also use it for chronic pain and the withdrawal is extremely painful. I've not been successful with tapering but i think cold turkey would be horrific so I'm going to give it another go. I'm glad i found this video! maybe ill try to switch to tea/capsules in order to adjust my tolerance and be able to control it better. thx for making this and being so candid! i don't see a lot of people out there talking honestly about kratom use.
Greater five weeks and still not a complete night of sleep?! Early on rice are taking Kr ATOM. The way it made me feel. I knew it was gonna be a real mother to get off of this stuff! I mean, I will get more effort off. One dose of k than I did with seven percocets. And sleeping? Wow! Is the dreams! I knew that this was going to be very tough! I have only experienced a few times a withdrawals until I Redosed. A frightening experience. On the highway with my body and a spasm attack! I was screaming! I couldn't sit still going sixty five seventy miles an hour! Uncontrollable shaking! I've heard the expression.... Shadow boxing. Ha. That's how I felt in the car. And that only lasted maybe thirty minutes. Until I got my dose in. How in the world am I going to get off this stuff.
Has anyone quit kratom with very little to no WD by tapering extremely slowly. Like 1 gram less per day, then staying there for several days before subtracting another gram (or less if needed) until you're only taking 1 gpd? I realize this would take a very long time especially if you're starting at a high dose, but is this method feasible if you're not on a time table to getting all the way off? What are the downsides of doing it this way? I am worried I might experience negative mental/mood effects from lowering the dose and instead of experiencing a couple weeks of hell, I'd be in a year long (or more) state of slight depression. Is it better to rip off the bandaid so to speak?
The slower the taper, the less withdrawals. The catch is, it takes longer and you HAVE to stick to your plan. You cannot ever take more than the taper calls for. Gotta be very committed. No cheat days, lol!
I wanna cry! I'm a sahm , homeschooling 3 kids. I've been taking it daily for SIX YEARS! I have a very addictive personality. Everything I touch, I way over do it! I'm a slave to this shit now. Just going a few hours without it, I get body chills and sweats! I get the RLS until i get up and take it! It controls me entirely and I'm sooooo scared of the symptoms you're describing. My husband works out of town for a week straight, then is home for a week straight, so I fear I will REALLY struggle on the weeks he is gone. And I will cave to the addiction. Im so fucked! 😔
Im only 17 years old but maybe i can help you a bit since ive taking it myself for a few months. Take caffeine for sleepiness. Take ibuprofen or paracetamol if you get headaches. Take melatonin against insomnia. And if you feel too terrible drink a bit of alcohol. But watch out with alcohol as well because you dont want to get addicted to it either. You can do it. God bless you
Did it make you nervous you could sleep for 5 weeks? I'm on day six and it's starting to freak me out, i think the night before last i slept maybe 2 1/5 hrs but that's the most, some night none done an hour split up..... Starting to worry
Hey everyone I just wanted to give you all a breakdown of what the last 7 days have been like for me quitting kratom cold turkey after 4 years of a 25g a day intake. Day 1. The withdrawals started about 12 hours after my last dose but very mild, shivers, aches and yawning. Day 2. Insomnia kicked in as did the restless legs and arms. Diarrhea started and the chills + goosebumps where chronic. I could not get warm and when I felt slightly warm I would sweat profusely. The stomach cramps made eating difficult and I developed a foul taste in my mouth. Lack of energy really ramped up. Day 3. Pretty much the same as day 2. Exhausted at this point from lack of sleep and food but felt some symptoms subside. Day 4. Restless legs pretty much gone, insomnia still there getting a few hours sleep a night. Diarrhea persisted as did the chills and lack of appetite. Day 5. Feeling a but better. Restless legs gone completely, sleep still tricky, difficult to get comfortable. Worst of it now is the fatigue and Diarrhea. Day 6. Fatigue and Diarrhea the worst of it now. Slept much better on the night of day 6 after taking a magnesium supplement. Day 7. Worst of it now has completely gone. Still some lingering symptoms, chills, stomach issues and fatigue BUT nowhere near as bad. I'm feeling so much better. The depression of days 2 and 3 has gone and I'm feeling more optimistic. It's one week out of a whole year. If you're looking to quit start magnesium earlier than I did along with vitamin C. You can do this
Great video thanks for this very helpful I’ve been on methadone 4 years now I was wondering if I can substitute methadone for kraton I did take MIT 45 liquid and it hit good I don’t want to be on methadone anymore I’m on 3 mg now I’ve been going down but I’m scared I’ve always switched around
about to try to quit.... its rough... tried weaning myself off but didnt have the discipline for that so just going to go cold turkey... been using daily for about 3-4 years.... at one point buying kilos and doing a LOT, the last year I have been steady on about 10-20 grams a day a little less on work days just because I dont have time, but averaged out. A 100 gram bag lasts me just less than 7 days or thereabouts
So I've been on and off with kratom for 3 years. Never used it daily for more than 2 weeks in a role. Except last month due to life stresses I began taking it daily and I mean absurd amounts. Probably about 25-35g a day. And ive tried quitting but this time unlike other times I haven't been able to just put it down and not think about it. So I've been doing the whole buying and throwing out trying to quit. I'm on day 2 since my last dosing. I'm not having any withdrawal symptoms, I do feel low, lack of excitement, and some anxiety (which could just be life ). But physically I'm fine. Yesterday I had a slight headache here and there. I don't think I can go back to using it like I did in the past because over the last month I've definitely become addicted and no longer have control over it like I have for the past 3 years. Ladies and gentlemen do not use kratom or drugs to mask your problems
25 days free ct 65 gpd 3 years sleeping seven hours a night getting in the best shape of my life every single thing that junk took from me I am getting back and more. I am 28 and a guy so I thank God I did not wait until I was much older or the recovery would be much harder
45 grams a day for 12 years, last two year it’s caused extreme hyperpigmentation of my skin on my face, neck and arms. I have to get laser therapy to remove the extra pigment due to kratom. Did a 28 day taper. You are 100% correct, I thought if I could get thru the withdrawals I’d have this battle one. The mind tricks you have to play to not take another dose is exhausting! Luckily now I don’t have a choice due to the hyperpigmentation.
As someone who works out a lot, did you find that the gym helped you through this? Did you go during the withdrawals? Filling those dopamine receptors.
I drink it for chronic pain and it helps my ptsd and anxiety. I know once i told my famiky that i wasn't trying to not need anything, because i know i always will, was freeing too. Like finding it. Im just so glad there are options for us that wont hurt us, and actually work. So we can make choices that are best for each of us. Thanks for sharing! Im still looking into ketamine therapy, but i know it wont be at home for me, probably infusion. I wish you the best on your new journeys 🙂🍃☕️❤️🙏🥄💪⚖️
I used kratom for 7 years, 30gpd. My withdrawal symptoms were severe anxiety/brutal panic attacks. I went 4 weeks straight with anxiety 24/7. Thankfully the panic attacks have subsided. I'm on my 6th week, mostly dealing with fatigue. I used kava on my really bad days to help with the panic attacks also iron and b vitamins, fish oil anything that aids in brain health. Insomnia was another symptom.
thahk you for this video, how are you now ? I struggle a lot been takin around 15-18gs of premium strong powder for year atleaset and 2-3 years of 5-10gs before,) I need to quit but i cant stop working so im in this loopo of misery where im thinking that i need some backup money so i can finnaly end this suffering, cuz WD combined with fear of survival just isnt bearable for me lol.. 😊
Congrats Joey! It's great to hear you've stopped taking kratom. It's hard to imagine life without it again but i know anyone who wants to quit can do it! Thanks!
Day 6. Man the worst of it now is the diarrhea and the fatigue, coupled with chills and this weird taste I have in my mouth. The restless legs have GONE!!! Last night I got about 4 hours sleep, the night before pretty much slept through. It doesn't help that my wife snores. I've said to a few people now that the worst part of kratom withdrawal is you wait around all day praying for bedtime but when bedtime comes you can't sleep. It sucks guys but I'm so close to a week clean for the first time in 4 years quitting c/t and there is no way that I'm going back, absolutely not. If I can do this you can do it as well
Day 4. Last night was awful. I got about 2 hours sleep and this morning the stomach cramps are pretty bad. I'm still struggling to eat but I'm so determined to beat this I Will not give in
There's a "thing" out there named MMS. It can be used, amongst many other things, to help get through all sorts of withdrawals. It's still rough, but it will detoxify the body faster.
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My first question. Does the strain make a difference? Maeng Da vs red bali etc? I used to use MD but i noticed a few years ago id get dizzy like i had vertigo and I immediately stopped and went to Krave Red bali. I went to kratom after Norco abuse. Long story short I have been on K for 10 years and i moved to krave due to availability and noticed it was light on me. It helped with happiness and excitement and relationships etc. similar to you. Im sick of this shit. My work situation is going to play a huge role.
Im around 80 grams or less a day. No sense in fooling myself or others on how much. I thought i would taper ever so slightly? 75g then 70g then 65g .... but pressing my withdrawal symptoms to very little and keep working my way down. Like you saids it will power! Going to start tomorrow.
This is the first time I'm seeing your channel but here I am. I've been taking Kratom for several years now 250 grams every 5 -7 days. How bad will quitting be for me in your opinion.
@@FlockinIceholeDid you quit? I'm asking cause I only saw this because I'm thinking of quitting today. Been on it for years and taking 250grams every 5 or 6 days.
Hey everyone, kratom can make you feel trapped like your never going to be able to quit. Just know you can and you will if you really want it bad enough. God is on your side.
The power of god is amazing for addictions. I've met atheists who turn to believers after the process of detox.
Started using kratom to help quit 15 years opiate use…and I found I loved kratom! After 5 years it wasn’t working the same anymore. I needed to take 50 plus gpd to not feel like crap! Was planning an overseas trip for last October with my wife and kratom was illegal there.
I quit pre-trip in August at about 25gpd cold turkey. I felt like crap for 2 weeks. Couldn’t sleep more than about an hour at a time. Megadosed 9:49 on Vitamin C Ascorbate. Gradually felt better after 2 weeks and am now 5 months clean. Still experiencing PAWS but feel pretty normal. So thankful to be clean and in recovery! Hope and pray to never go back. Recovery is a journey! Take the plunge if you need and press through the pain! It is worth it on the other side! Jesus is the King!
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My story sounds like yours but I'm still taking it and scared to stop because of the withdrawals with opioids. Please tell me it's not that bad. Need to get off this shit.
I figured id find a comment giving Jesus the credit. With his help all things are possible to them that believe.
Prayer for myself is to slowly taper pushing to slight WD and then holding there and then down a bit on the dosage and feel more WD and then down again. I dont remember what its like to be sober, besides Dr Pepper or chocolate. Im currently dosing high g's and hope to be sober completely in a few months. Thank you Jesus for sobriety!
@@markflanagan6653im in the same boat. Im trusting my Lord and Savior. Its foolish of me to talk to others about God and addiction when here i am using. God used Kratom to get me off Norcos but we have a will of our own God doesn't interfere with decision making. He opens doors but we have to walk through them. Im going to try a gradual taper.
If i make the decision to act or move forward, HE will be right there with me. Same with you.
God bless
To bad you didnt use weed instead of an opiate to start with..no withdrawals from weed no matter how much or how long i use
My story is 4.5 years of Red Bali kratom addiction. At my peak I was using 20-40 grams per day. More recently as little as 4. A few months ago I started drinking along with the kratom. This is a really bad idea, you can develop toxic liver syndrome, but man I loved those two things together. I was also using Supreme Red Bali so, the strongest and most opiate like strain of all. Plus alcohol on top. I detoxed WAY to fast from both at the same time and it was a total nightmare. I am almost a week in and I am just starting to feel close to normal. I slept a lot today, but the body pain came on late and was awful. Before that, I was unable to even lay down for sleep for three days. Please do not mix kratom with alcohol, it is dangerous. The Red Bali is particularly hard to get off. Really happy to be free from this stuff. I am alcohol and kratom free. I even threw away my cannabis vape pen today. Ready for a clean happy life. I feel free.
My experience is very similar to yours. I used that same amount of kratom for about 6 years, all while drinking about 8 beers everyday. Last week I reached a point where I felt so sick of this lifestyle. Not only is it expensive, but it's so unhealthy, both physically and mentally. I stopped using kratom 4 days ago, and I'm starting to feel better. I quit alcohol two days ago, and today was pretty rough. Anyways, I hope you stay true to breaking the habit, please give us an update on how you're doing. Good luck!
I quit two week ago and changed my life back to normal - you inspired me and thank you!
i hope the same happens for me, 5 days in
@@RocketBladeTVwill power !! You got it. 5 days is alot. Thats fantastic. ONE DAY AT A TIME
day 10 no kratom for me and I love it.
keep going my friend
Could you please share exactly what you did? Thanks
How’d yoy do it. I have to get off this shit
@@sethcrawford6219Same here I would think that the American Kratom Association would be able to help people get off it. 😢
@@unavailablename8548just quit or taper
So happy I found this. I’m 48 hours off kratom at 20 GPD. I was taking 5 grams every 4 hours and for 3 years. I noticed on it after a while, it made me feel worse. So I quit. Now I’m a recovering opiate addict, heroin, pills, ect. The withdrawal isn’t as bad as those. Some RLS, some mild discomfort, sneezing, and today no RLS, but slept 3 hours last night. No energy. What you’re describing is definitely a hardcore opiate withdrawal. I really haven’t had diarrhea. But I wasn’t having much of a problem going on kratom. My heart rate goes up moving around. I am done with this crap. The kratom made me feel worse. Anxiety, panic attacks, depression ect. I feel more positive than I did when I was on Kratom! Lol😂 thank you for making this video!
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Good Job Bro...U are Correct The Withdrawal is Nothing compared to Fentanyl or Heroin
@@josephwick444or even compared to alcohol and Xanax withdrawals
The RLS SUCKs the worst for me
@@mattwhittington1702black seed oil should help
I was on roughly 20-25 gpd for about 2 years. I tapered pretty quickly for about a week and was already feeling bad withdrawal so I just quit. My last dose was roughly 5 and a half days ago. Today I don’t feel as restless or hot and cold. The lack of motivation is also slightly better. I have always had bad insomnia so I’m a bit concerned about possibly having weeks of that to look forward to. On a positive note, kratom had been causing me terrible anxiety and anger issues and both of those have almost completely disappeared. I knew I needed to quit to become the best version of myself so a bit of suffering is not only the price I have to pay but also will act as a reminder of why I can’t start taking it again. Withdrawal to me is a reminder that high highs come with low lows.
Thanks Joey,Coming off kratom was a total nightmare felt like it would never end
I can relate.
Congrats man, honestly you look a lot healthier. Remember when I was taking it daily, the mornings I was so tired I couldn't hardly move. There's no free high everything comes at a price.
I went cycling this weekend in Nature, did 60km to find myself in pure bliss. Beautiful summer thunderstorms around that luckily did not get me. After you come home you feel awesome, your body is strengthened and getting stronger. So, i'd say that there is a "free" and even healthy high.
I'm so glad that you're making these videos. I was in almost the same boat as you when I got into kratom, and it was hard to imagine life without it, but I've finally been tapering with the intention of quitting.
Kratom was great, and I'm glad that it's around to help people, but it just can't be a pillar of my life any more, especially with its future looking murkier and murkier by the day.
I quit back in October. 80gpd for a few years. Rapidly tapered over a period of about a month down to 10gpd of powder.
Jumped completely off at 10g.
Very similar experience to what you described. Having a positive mindset during the discomfort helps. The lack of sleep was by far the worst part of it for me personally.
Yes. No sleep and RLS were so annoying and lasted over 6 weeks :(
How did you you cope?
Holy shit feeling like ass and RLS for 6 weeks ?? That’s insane! I jumped off of suboxone ( 4mg per day 12 year addiction COLD TURKEY ) jumped off 3 weeks ago. I got through 6 days and felt amazing. I truly believe God helped me and answered my prayer. Of course being an addict you already should know I screwed up. On day 7 I was getting slight ( what if’s ) so I took a couple of tabs ( then it became 8-9 a day ) now stopping tabs cold turkey HAS CAUSED MAJOR WITHDRAWAL ( I mean my effin body feels like every muscle fiber wants to explode out of my skin. Also have major RLS !!! Shit is driving me INSANE and no sleep. Well I jumped back and turned to kratom. It helps me but I still can’t sleep and the RLS is still there. However I will say I’m only toying with the kratom ( taking 1gram maybe 2 at a time ) for a total of 3-5 grams for the whole day ( which is 24 hours since I’m up nonstop.
Any chance you could possibly relate 80 gpd into tablespoons. I've been taking two heaping tablespoons and one level tablespoon 3 to 4 times a day for some time and just curious.
@@ONTHEEDGEFRED sorry for the late response. I'm not sure on tablespoons. But I would guess you're pretty close to 80gpd.
Probably a little less, but hard to be sure.
Kratom withdrawal is hell. It’s different than the traditional opiate withdrawals. The mental aspect of it is insane. They have some SSRI effect, they have to. The way your brain is effected after quitting is brutal. 10 year user here 60 GPD and have quit multiple times. Hopefully this will be my last. The withdrawal is torture!!
Yeah, it sucks bad
Joey, thank you so much for your videos. I’ve been taking Kratom for about 4 years now-everyday. I’ve always been against “drugs” (no judgment on anyone who does them, I clearly understand) because of my Father and what he goes through with addiction. Now I love him so much more, because I feel like I’ve had a glimpse of how exhausting addiction can be. I’ve been off of ADHD meds for a month and a half now-but upped my Kratom dose to ease those withdrawals. So back to square one again with tapering off of Kratom. My faith helps me SO much-and vids like this are so uplifting for my soul and give me hope. I want Kratom out of my life forever, it’s ruining me in so many ways.
***Disclaimer-If anyone reads this and takes Kratom daily-I completely understand why you do it and I have no intention of judging you. This is my personal journey with it, and it feels good to talk about how painful it’s been for me and my mental state. Not just mental-but absolutely physical as well. If anyone relates to addiction of any substance-I just want you to know that YOU GOT THIS!! You are loved and cared for more than you know. Everyday is a new start. When I mess up on some days, I get so defeated and feel like a failure. BUT THATS NOT TRUE!!! Keep going. Do it with Love. And never give up!!!
Thanks. I had no idea there was such a large community here. I've taken it here and there since 2018 and every time I quit before I had zero withdrawals. But now this last stretch of four months or so, like almost three when I started trying almost 2 months ago, suddenly out of nowhere I get severe withdrawals, wake up at night covered in sweat and shake chills, crawling out of my skin feeling, plus the mental mind screws. This is so not cool and the other half dozen quits not having any effect baffles me now. I mean why now and not the other 6 or 7 times?
Thanks for your support man. This quit is the last when I finally pull it off, like hell no way I'm coming back thru this ever again.
been taking kratom for 3-4 years daily now and its like I have lost 3-4 years of my life.... the anxiety completely shut me down to things I love, and my response was to just take more kratom....
"If anyone reads this and takes Kratom daily-I completely understand why you do it"
Seeing as people use kratom for many different reasons, this is a ridiculous statement. But good luck with your attempts at empathy.
May kindness and love find your heart. Best wishes 😊
Kratom definitely saved my life. I appreciate what the American Kratom Association does. But they should really research how to help people quit Kratom.
So I'm nearly 144 hours clean off of Kratom. Day 6. The worst of it today has been the lack of energy, chills and stomach cramps. Plus there's this weird taste in my mouth that no matter what I do I can't shake. I went out today and got some magnesium supplements which I wish I'd started days ago but you live and learn. Last night was rough, very little sleep, too hot then too cold couldn't get comfortable but there was no restless legs so I'm hoping that they have gone for good. I never want to experience that again. I know I've got a long few weeks ahead of me but the physical withdrawals really have started to die off now and it's nowhere near as bad as a few days ago. Dry lips is another thing I experienced but the chills and goosebumps I'm hoping will go soon because I'm sick of feeling cold. Stay strong everyone wanting to quit. You can do it
Currently on a slow taper of about 40g/day for a whopping 6 years. Even a slight decrease has me experiencing aggressive wd symptoms. I’ve abused morphine sulfate, vics and percs before, and these slight instances of wd feels EXACTLY like my opiate wd. I’m forced to quit because I’ll be traveling for business soon, and I CANNOT be lugging around bags of kratom. Magnesium glycerin, black seed oil, gabapentin, ibuprofen, 5HTP, and Mucuna Puriens are all stocked up ready for the final day. I’m so thankful for the creators like you that have prepared me for finally quitting the green sludge.
Damn 🤦
When are you stopping?
@@joeytalksaboutlife i just realized that my initial sentence sounded weird. I meant to say that I’ve been doing 40g/day for 6 years. Have been on a slow taper for 6 months now. Currently down to 10g/day spread over 4 doses. I plan to completely stop by mid February. I have to. I run 2 businesses overseas, and I have to start traveling to and from, as well as staying months at a time overseas. That, and I’m a bodybuilder. Kratom has killed off my test via prolactin increase, so I’ve had to “supplement” with enclo. There’s been a really weird interaction between the enclo and kratom, and it makes the small bouts of WD VERY weird and uncomfortable.
Add lipsomal vitamin c to that list and start "front loading": you can take magnesium and/or BSO among other things, in place of the kratom you're subtracting during the taper. You're better off with DLPA and L-Tyrosine than mucuna too, as mucuna can down regulate dopamine production, as it's one step away from being a direct replacement for it in its leva dopa content.
@@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit can you explain what you mean front loading
Oh wow. Was not expecting this! I've been on the fence about quitting for many reasons. I hate that they killed your other channel but im glad you are sharing your experience here. Thanks so much for everything Joey!
So welcome! Glad you found me again.
I was on kratom for about 2 years. At my highest dose i was taking around 20. Most days stay around 10. I quit for 4 months. I had withdrawals for about 3 maybe 4 days. Nothing like real opiates, but similar in feeling i suppose. I started back up a month ago for pain from work. Got tired of choking down tylenol all day and kratom works way better. It's easy to creep up to around 15 to 20 grams. I recommend keeping your dose low as long as you can and you shouldn't get any negative side effects. I haven't touched alcohol hardly at all since starting kratom again. Thank you for all the info you've given! It's been wonderful having it
I've been taking it daily for 10 years. 15 - 20 gpd for the past 6 years. I never feel the need to increase my daily dose and don't see a reason to ever quit taking it as it doesn't have any negative impacts on my life and the benefit are many.
Thx for this comment. I'm at about 2 years also. Took me all that time to reach a point of often taking 2-3 doses per day. Daytime dose 3-5g, but I'm finding 6-8g of a strong red vein at night often helps bring on sleep. I must be lucky because if i take any more than that in a day, I lose most of the benefits, and if I try to add more, I just feel tired. Admittedly, I don't like going longer than 24 hours without it. Not so much wd's as I just start feeling the pain issues creeping back. Like you, I drink almost no alcohol now.
And yes, its great to have someone sharing their K journey - however I came here to find out which tabs Joey liked because I'm gonna order some - lol. ***EVERYTHING IN MODERATION***
@@Karen_Marie I would love to know if you ever stop for a couple or more days to see if you get WD's, and if so, how are they?
I've been taking it regularly for 2 years - between 5 and 15 g's per day. Stopped a couple times for 2-3 days r found it quite beneficial for clearing the bowels (lolo but serious too!). A little nervousness after 18-20 hours, so quelled it with 1mg lorazepam. Next day, I took 2 immodium to avoid too many trips to the bathroom (seriously, this helps!), and at some point a single tramadol with 2 tylenol. After that, clear-minded, clear sailing. I think moderation is the key, or as the all the wise ones in the kratom community say, LESS IS MORE.
Same boat as many of us in the comments. It helped me kick the bottle and has done wonders for my family life. I've been a faily user for about a year and a half now and realize that its time to come off. Currently around 8 to 16 grams per day(down from 30pd) got some stem for the tapper to 4pd. I work a physical job and im nervous about hiw its going to affect me at work. Gonna get back to my pre krat weight training and hope for the best
I really relate to everything you said as to why you found kratom. I was suicidal when I found it and until lately, I felt it saved me. It had the exact same effect on me until suddenly it was having the opposite effect. It gives you those unearned endorphines and stops you from doing things that give you natural endorphines for a reason (exercise, goal driven work). One day you look back and realise all you've done is drench your brain in dopamine trying to survive rather than doing things that actually make a change in your life to deal with the root cause of depression. I think this plant should be used as a very occasional tool, but every day completely takes all motivation from you, because why would your brain bother when it's getting all the endorphines it wants by sitting and knocking back a powder?
Took the words right out of my mouth
Thankyou
I’m going through a hell of a week weening off kratom. I now know I have upper back pain, couldn’t feel it before. And I am not nearly as friendly as I thought I was. I cannot sleep, and I feel like my skeleton is trying to escape my body. Your video is making me feel better. 9 year daily user. Different doses throughout. Was drinking 1-1.5 bottles of extract. Couldnt justify a $20 a day kratom habit. Currently at 7.2g powder max a day. Thinking I may have dropped amount too fast.
Im stopping the shots too, about 60 hours into full abstinence from a 3-4 bottle/day extract habit. The 3 days prior to these 60 hours, I reduced one bottle per day until I reached zero. It’s been hell, but a tip.. if you can get up and go for walks or get some basic exercise in, it helps immensely. Sitting still though really makes it feel sooooo much worse, but at the same time getting up feels impossible to do. Good luck to you.
Yess!!! Like ants are running around inside my body
Day 5. Last night was a lot better. Some lingering RLS but nowhere near as bad and got a good 6 hours sleep. Some chills, some diarrhea, lack of appetite and lack of energy are still lingering but dear lord nowhere, I repeat nowhere, near as bad as day 1,2 & 3. Think about it, in 5 day I've gone from being a full blown addict to being nearly over the worst of the physical withdrawals. If I can do this, a heavy user for 4 years who quit cold turkey with no taper, cab quit, then so can you. Just keep that end goal in sight and realise you're so much stronger than you think.
I quit a 3 year 60 GPD habit and it honesty wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. The problem was that I went back after 2 months after just trying to use it once in a while. Lol. Yea, that doesn’t work in case you were wondering. Now I’m 6 months into another 50+ GPD habit and it’s been 24 hours since my last dose. I’m not feeling great, but it definitely could be worse. I agree with Joey about the sleep part. I used to load up on powder before bed. Without Kratom I’m not planning to sleep very well. A person could try sleeping medications to help with this, but then you’re looking at quitting a whole other habit. Life is hard guys. At least for people like us it is. Hang in there my people.
Hey everyone I just wanted to let you all know that I'm on day 17 of quitting green kratom cold turkey and I feel pretty much totally back normal. A bit of fatigue and stomach issues but everything else has totally gone. I sleep OK, I don't feel exhausted when I wake up in the morning, I'm laughing and loving life again. It gets better everyone. It really does.
Worst part for me is the brain fog/heavy headedness… 😓
The sleep was horrible. I'd wake up every hour and have to drink every 3 hours. I lost the ability to complete consecutive sleep cycles. I'd always wake up by the end of each cycle. I was going through one of those 20oz bags in about a week, which is about 80g/day just like you. Currently I'm down to about 10-20g/day. I'm so proud I was able to go 12 hours without a dose and only woke up once in the night. It feels so good to be coming off the stuff.
Hey brother, proud of you. Going to follow you on this journey. I am also a man of God and stuck on this. It makes me feel seperated from spiritual life. I hope to be able to share my journey day with you.
I’ve made it a month here and there.. no I understand post acute
Hey Joey! Glad you got off that garbage. I watched your channel when I quit nearly 3 years ago. I was one of the Kratom haters that made comments on your content. I knew you would eventually quit. Everybody does eventually have to stop. Quitting for me was BRUTAL!! Anybody watching this still using, do yourself a favor. STOP NOW!!!!
Joey this is amazing!!! You look great! I watched your videos before and am in the process of quitting kratom too. I too am a believer and know that I have become addicted to it. Blessings man! Love your new content and I appreciate these videos so much as it is hard to find content on quitting. Godspeed!
Thank you! You too!
31 days. Your channel helped me so much when I was just starting out. I was TERRIFIED starting out. Your whole vibe and knowledge base gave me the faith that I could do it. So much ♥️ to you.
Hey brother, just want to say this video series has been super helpful, I’ve been off for about five days now, I’m definitely feeling it, great to have a light at the end of the tunnel and someone else’s perspective. God bless
I’d recommend 5HTP and Mucuna Prureins (Velvet Bean) to replenish those receptors. It was recommended for me during my taper. I am on roughly about 8-10gpd and slowly tapering. I take it for CFS and nerve pain, but I’d like to reach connection with my body without it…to get to the root of my issues. I know that’s a minuscule amount compared to most, but any change in routine can be difficult. You have always been one of my favorite to watch! I’m rooting for you, Joey. ❤
U still take Mucuna & 5htp?
I had no idea how many grams I had actually been taking until looking it up just now. I would take an extract bottle daily which is 300mg and .3 grams. So compared to some that’s not a lot! Albeit I am very small so it could have equaled out. I’m trying to taper myself, I’m tired of being a slave to Kratom. I’m experiencing RLS, night sweats, day chills, and low, low energy. I’ve wanted to quit for so long and I’m glad I’ve found your videos. We can do this!
Great to have you back mate!
Great to be back :D
Had no idea that stuff was really addictive and came with withdrawals.
Live rural area with no shops. Always ordered online. The site I order from went down for over a week and my 3 year 40 gpd habit was abruptly ended. Felt so bad that I’d never touch that stuff again. Feel so much better without. Insomnia and no joy in life for about 2 weeks sucked. Just have to push through it.
I take a one month break every year, which is okay-ish. I know that I have to do it to keep my tolerance in check, but life is way easier for me with my Kratom safety net as an ex alcoholic (surprise).
I take 6g of Kratom as a tea (which is as strong as around 3-4g of powder) 2-4x a week in the evening, and I take a 7 day tolerance break every month. Been pretty successfull with that regiment for the last 5 years and I don't really plan on stopping as I don't really experience heavy side effects from it. And it keeps me away from the bottle, which is super helpful as I don't want to die in the near future.
That sounds amazing! What a great way to approach using it responsibly. Proud of you for having so much discipline.
May I ask, how do you make a Kratom tea that has a taste that is bearable? I HATE the taste of Kratom but love the effects of tea. IS there anything you can recommend to make it an enjoyable experience????? Thanks!!
@@jnewmark41 I always strain my tea, with the powder gone it's already 50% better. I also use a lot of water during the steeping process, always 0,5 litres, which comes in handy because K dehydrates big time. Most of the time I also mix it with 0,5l of chai tea and oat milk when I really want to calm down and relax while watching a movie or series with my gf (she also prepares her tea the same way, so we make a big batch). We sip on it for an hour then, as it tastes good and is better on the stomach if you don't slam it down like crazy.
@@jnewmark41Try adding tart cherry juice. It’s been a game changer for me. It hides the taste well.
That's what I was doing for a while and was fine with that. Went through something recently where I made a decision to just use kratom only and been taking it daily for two months. Man I'm either wanting to quit or cut back to no more than three days a week!!!
Congratulations! I appreciate your honesty and enjoy your content :-)
Thank you so much!
@@joeytalksaboutlife Fantastic......and the good thing is Kratom is always there if you need it in the future. Now you know you can succeed. Also, you never followed up about the Ketamine treatments. I am a huge advocate for Ketamine therapy as many of my patients have done extremely well for depression/ptsd. Are you still using this treatment as needed? Thanks Joey!!!
I appreciate you video my husband has been taking kratom for 4 years now but now it's worse then ever he's taking 4-6 bottles of the concentrated black opms ..hes tried to stop a few times but the withdrawls get the best and he buys it again...ive bee lm trying to help him but i don't see an ending financially physically emotionally it's exhausting to me.... I'm so happy you were able to get off thanks for the video so i have a somewhat idea of what the withdrawls are like
It seems you were taking a lot. Good for you..Still taking small amounts for pain and energy boost.I'm 76 ...don't plan on quitting...lol..
a lot for a long time without proper breaks. have to show the plant respect!!
Hear ya! I'm 64 and K has been a life saver. As others have said (maybe it was you!), at my age, I'm not too worried about addiction, however I do worry that if I end up somewhere without it, I night get some WD's. In that regard, I guess I am dependent to some degree. Traveling to Italy in a few months, so I guess I better start tapering. K is illegal there and I don't think a special/expensive trip to Europe from the U.S. would be much fin spent in WD - yikes!
Yes! Amount and breaks mean everything. M O D E R A T I O N I S K E Y. And use extracts only on special occasions. Anything in excess is not good. I'm hoping Joey goes into his dosage routines here, as I am using other's experiences to gauge mine and learn from what they've done right and wrong. Thanks @@Earthstarsky and everyone else positing their experiences. Until we have many years of studies, we only have one-another and our own experiences to go on, so this is extremely valuable!
@@BobC59 Went abroad with K. Lucky, I There are gummies..
@@angelacohen4531 May I ask how they were packaged? Its interesting how some companies put KRATOM! all over the packaging, and others its nowhere - it might say mitragynine or mit. speciosa. I would try to bring the latter in factory-sealed package. I was thinking gummies and/or capsules.
This is such a helpful video, thank you! I took 3 heaping spoonfuls of moodright white everyday for 2.5 years, and I have nothing bad to say about it. I tapered down slowly and I'm a week without Kratom today. The insomnia is very bad, and I also feel like my feelings are numb. I know there's light at the end of the tunnel so I'm trying to stay focused.
I'm so glad I found your video. As I was about to order more kratom. Definitely the numbness, stomach issues got me.
I have about 10 G left, going to toss them in the garbage. Thank you so much!
Thanks for your video! I had a 6 week long relapse (about 10 to 20 grams a day) after 2 years clean. Today is the second zero day and it sucks despite pregabalin. But being on it is no perspective for life. I'm turning 50 this year and being an addict is exhausting AF. I think my ADHD plays a big role in this. For anyone who wants to withdraw from Kratom or another opioid, Pregabalin is a great help, but I wouldn't take it for longer than 7-10 days, otherwise you'll have the next problem on your hands. Kind regards from Berlin (Germany) LLAP 🖖
When I watched this video and another video of yours on this subject, when you said 7 weeks a chill went down my spine!! Jesus. So I'm wondering if during this process if high doses of vitamin Bs and Cs would help at all??
Been on kratom for 9 years and im up to 1kg every 2-3weeks. Im starting the taper and im scared of the withdrawals but i need to do this for the sake of my health. Reading these comments are really helping me right now, thanks for the post would love if youd do a live Q&A!
I take 4 or 5 grams every other day. I can’t imagine 80 FFS. No wonder you have wd’s. Smarter to reduce by 1 gram a day for 80 days IMHO. Heather Ashton’s work on Benzo’s is brilliant and would apply here- in terms of smooth tapering.
Marijuana really helps take away the side effects for me.
Stopped for 5 months. I was taking up to 20 grams or less a day for 3 years. I needed to take some medical tests and needed it out of my body. I tapered down to 3 grams/day until I completely stopped. Was lethargic most of my day and layed down quite often. Daily early morning workouts gave me some structure and help to clean my body. I used your Kratom journal to keep on track.
I have found no substitutes except caffeine tabs that seem to work.
I recently started using 2 grams of White Mangda every so often to get some activities accomplished. I’m stopping at 2 or 3 grams.
Did you exercise while tapering/quitting? What do you take for the depression and lack of energy?
Good going my brother. May our Lord guide us through this journey of life.
Kratom probly has your testosterone in the gutter , it messes with your hormones. So look into boosting your T. Exercise is good to restore endorphins. But maybe some supplements or something. It will come back but how long depends on the person.
@@billlumbergh9251: had T tested in June. Shows as Normal.
@@billlumbergh9251kratom fucks your natural T levels by raising your prolactin. That’s exactly what happened to me, so now I’m doing a slow taper. Prolactin reduced my levels down to 300nG/dL, and it’s strange because I’m young, and a gym rat. I started taking enclomiphene (technically a ped, but oral), and it’s saved my test levels. I wish more people discussed how kratom fucks a man’s test levels via prolactin increase. I almost never hear about it.
Congrats Joey!❤
Thanks!
Wow man this is huge congratulations! I appreciate everything you’ve put out there in both channels dude Ty
I’m trying to taper from 35gpd for 4 years
The lowest I’ve gone down is 20 gpd so far for the past month. I have chronic pain and idk what to do when I can’t get rid of it with anything like ice massage (ANYTHING) there’s a lot of times when I just think Wtf am I suppose to do if the only thing DRs want to do is put me on SSRIS Gapientan or Lyrica. I’m on Day 2 of Keto I really hope that lessens the myofascial pain
Edit: it didn’t too much but Intermittent fasting kinda dials it down a bit 🤏
Down to 20gpd sometimes 15 but can’t see to go lower then that while working and watching my son
Ya, I'll have to book a session when I get paid. I'm almost ready. For same reasons. Also mental health issues, trauma, etc. It's been one, long 8 and 1/2 year journey. .
I completely understand
Thanks for sharing this level-headed and objective viewpoint without the holier-than-thou ravings heard from most stories of personal experience.
Okay, I have to admit being one of those who has said, "I stopped and felt only minor symptoms", but have never gone more than 3 days. Insomnia is brutal and I did have it a couple nights when I stopped, so I have nothing but admiration for your being able to deal with that for FIVE WEEKS - wow! From what I hear, the feeling of wd's is akin to RLS (which I get too often). I would rather die than live with the feeling of acute RLS, and from what I hear, that's what wd feels like, so I'm hoping to be able to keep my doses low AND stop for maybe a week here and there without losing my mind. Plus, I am hoping to go to countries in Europe this Spring where its banned, so I'll be packing a shit-ton of Hirsuta, Akuamma, Gabapentin, vitamins...
Day 8 and for the first time since stopping kratom I feel great. I feel happy, at peace and optimistic
On your other channel you gave recommendations for things that could lower your tolerance and help with withdrawal effects, any chance you can refresh my memory on what they were??
Thanks Joey, did you use any pharmaceuticals to help with the withdrawal? I know you used supplements and D8 and maybe some other otc products, and I know you previously had used lexapro and some other meds, so I’m guessing no. Anyway thanks for sharing this, great info.
I take lexapro and I’m hoping that it will help with the anxiety during my tapering/quitting when I do 😢
Day 8 no kratom and feeling better all the time. Head rushes are the worst of it now. Slept much better last night. Worked out. Feeling good. Let's do this.
Hey Joey, I really appreciate you sharing your experience. You've been an amazing advocate in the Kratom community. I know you didn't take it for chronic pain, but there are many of us who do. I was abandoned by my pain management doctor in 2019 and am so grateful I found this botanical. It's been life-changing for me, providing even better pain relief than 9 years of taking my FDA-approved pharmaceuticals. What are your thoughts for those of us who suffer from pain issues?
Same. I would have been on opioidRx for rest of my life for physical let me say again not emotional but physical body injuries that will never heal therefore, pain is not emotional it’s detailed over four decades on MRIs X-rays, catscans, my medical records are four decades long, and bodily pain from few different areas of my body pelvis, spine/back, legs, wrists, knees . I was basically bedridden in 24/7 debilitating pain. I’ve suffered three decades in and out of hospital begging for pain management and finally after a hysterectomy that almost killed me, I had a primary care physician, that approved the opioidrx and I was thriving. No more Cancer, but that surgery left me worse off then before and added to my already chronic body injuries suffered as a child and teen. Again, my pain will not go away. I need pain management for mobility, and functionality. Unfortunately, during covid BS my doc was forced to retire. I was transferred into pain management which is an absolute joke. They cut my meds significantly. I was spiraling my pain was intolerable again and then they abandoned me. Joey and Kratom saved my life. There are individuals who need medication for life and we shouldn’t be judged or spoken to like we have done something wrong. Honestly, I am confused why anyone, would want someone to suffer. Opioid therapy prescribed by a doctor taken as prescribed and responsible respectively taken saves lives. The main benefit of opioid RX is for pain. It’s not supposed to be taken recreationally. The narrative is opioids are bad. I mean marijuana was bad until it’s rebranded as cannabis right now. My point is if you need medication you take it. Any medication or alcohol, even tobacco, shoot even sugar, caffeine causes withdrawal symptoms like Joey explained. Love to all ❤
Hi Madalyn! Great to see you! Yes, and I am in full support of people using kratom for whatever reason they find fit. My stance on kratom is still the same as it was before :D
@@moneymonroesays I agree with you 100%. Chronic pain is, in itself, a disease and can lead to mental health issues and even death. Kratom is actually NOT a classic opiate and can be extremely effective for all kinds of pain. I wish you all the best!!! ❣
@@jnewmark41 Unfortunately, there is so much ignorance out there, regarding pain management. Like you said Tylenol runs your liver over time, but nobody cares when an elderly person dies. I try to make it very clear that my medical history is complex. I tried everything for years to naturally make my body heal. I ran track, danced, was a cheerleader in high school. I was very active but in constant struggle with a physically broken body. Orthopedic, oncologist, rheumatologist, I mean tons of doctors all reviewed my scans can see very clearly what is causing my debilitating pain and why I can’t walk, or function without opioidRx I was thriving for several on them. I didn’t need increased medication dosing because my doctor at the time knew we needed to figure out at what dose and times per day. Once that was established I was doing great mobile and independent no longer bedridden in excruciating pain but the DEA was allowed to just interfere and pain may became barbaric torture or patient abandonment. Kratom is getting a very unfair reputation those who are ignorant don’t understand. Pain medication is bad until you need it. I mean the doctors on TH-cam getting censored is nuts and I get Joey needing to change his channel. If you are lucky to grow old and not require any medication ever then consider yourself in purely lucky. ♥️🤗
Which leaf powder was you taking. Great video tho.thank you so much
Joey what you think is the best supplement for wd?my worst wd,was anhedonia,it's like extreme boredome,every minute feels like an hour,I'm quite active,but struggle with motivation,fatigue,8 days,was longest I stayed off it in 3 years.the 8th day was worse than the first 7.my sweats didn't start to day5.i was using upto 60gpd,but last few months im under 25gpd.best luck and welldone joey.
Hey Joey. I want to quit this stuff once and for all. I want to taper off and not in a huge hurry. Am I better off taking 5 small doses throughout the day or 3 spread further apart?
I'm dealing with it right now joey. The worst thing for me is the depression...I'll find myself crying dramatically, for no reason at all, but now the tears are staring to feel meaningful. I've been doing the thing you said on a video to take away half a gram every three days. Thank you. My current dose is 3.5 gs of filtered tea from powder 4- 5 times a day. I have been doing 80-125 pushups every night just to make myself feel like it's coming out of me.
How is it going? I am at the same point in my taper as you were when you wrote this. Was IV heroin for years, kicked and got on kratom.
Not really disturbing my life situation, but I just don't feel like myself anymore. Plus it makes it too easy to be alone, I feel.
@@kylegood2622 hope your doing good man. I had to realize I was using extract powder mixed with regular kratom powder to give it that extra yk lol and now I'm just. On 2.8 g of regular kratom powder 4-5 times a day. A few days ago I did quit for a day and a half and I just decided to keep tapering super slow
I've been taking around eight 750mg capsules of maeng da around five times every day for almost two years (sometimes more if I'm having a bad day). If I go just a few hours without it I feel anxiety and my body hurts. I'm ready to quit. Kratom was supposed to be temporary for me when I got sober from alcohol to help deal with anxiety and depression so I can function in my day to day life. I plan to taper maybe one capsule a day, but the uncomfortable symtoms freak me out at work and I just end up taking more to feel "safe and comfortable."
Do you have any tips and tricks to help ease the withdrawal symptoms when I'm out in public? Thats when my weakness gets the best of me.
Did you incorporate the Mega Dose Vitamin C protocol during any of the wds? Just curious as so many people swear by it. Congrats to you man.
What is the mega dose vitamin C protocol?
Thanks, Joey. Going cold turkey starting this Friday.
Hope you did it brother 🙏 keep going
I’m off to for like about two weeks and today I feel like shit. Low energy, not optimistic, uncomfortable in my body, etc. just like you said. I was toying with the idea of drinking some but I know it’s probably just WDs (i.e., temporary) even though I felt better yesterday and day before etc. Thanks for sharing cuz. Good to be reminded by someone who knows what’s up that what I’m feeling rn is normal.
Thank you for the honesty Joey! I tell people time and time again that keatom is an opioid and not nearly as safe as people make it. Youre getting the high youd get with traditional pain pills juet without the depressed breathing.
this is encouraging, close to 2 weeks since stopping. used capsules and extracts for a few months to help with tianeptine withdrawal. thought i might have some other physical issue before watching, didn't realize it can take so long.
I appreciate you joey
Very well spoken, thank you.
Do you think you’ll ever try it again? I have to thank you for helping me schedule my dosing. Every 4 hours is my window. Thanks for sharing this Joey. All the best and I look forward to watching more videos from you.
I'm on day 3 of withdrawal from a 30mg cold turkey quit. Last night wasn't as bad as the first night the first night I barely slept but last night I got about 6 hours. The main issue was slight restless legs but not as bad as subutext rls nowhere near as bad. The waking up covered in sweat was pretty miserable and sleeping on the sofa so not to disturb my wife was a pretty miserable experience. Today I'm still struggling to find motivation and energy and the body chills are a pain but I'm feeling more positive than yesterday. Yesterday was pretty miserable, I'd walk for 5 minutes then need to sit down. I can't wait for at least a week in just to get rid of the restless legs and the stomach cramps. Meditation has been so difficult because I just don't feel comfortable. A weird thing is how emotional I feel, I've cried more in the last 2 days than I have in years but I think my emotions are just all over the place. Prayer has been a slight relief but I don't feel like my heart is truly in it. Stay strong if you're going through withdrawal it sucks but it will get better. It will
I take 2gs a day in capsules. I’ve been taking it for 6 months, do u think I’ll have much withdrawal?
It's killing me, it literally is... And yet i do more! The other night i got soooo dizzy, heart rate was insane. And yet what did i do when these effects settled down? You got it! I hate being an addict
Hey Joey, thank you for your videos 🙏 how do I get in contact with you?
80 gpd! man, that's hardcore. How did you even have time to fit it all in?
Followed your first channel. Been using kratom for 5 years. My wife is pregnant and I just don't want to be beholdened to the stuff. Because I currently am. It's a near constant. I like kratom I just really want to reduce from daily use to something occassional. Also saw something in the news about a guy having a seizure and dying from it. Anyhow, The RLS is the worst part. I'd probably take about 20 grams. I'm going to get aggressive. Starting at 4 grams in the morning and hopefully getting to 4 grams before bed so I can sleep. then taper to 2 grams and 4...then 2 and 2. Wish me luck. Thanks for all your information.
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
Joey, Thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds like you did what you needed to do. We all have that inner voice guiding us, right?
I have been taking 3 grams 2 or 3 times per day, so a total of 6-9 grams per day, for 5 years. It has saved my life. I take it both for pain management and energy - I’ve been diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Before I found Kratom, I had to fight to stay both awake and productive. Frankly, I have no plans to quit, ever. Never say never, though. If I ever do need to quit, I will taper off very, very slowly - I will take an entire year to do it, if necessary.
So welcome. For sure! I'm not advocating for people to stop taking kratom - just continuing to share my journey with it (or without it, lol).
@@joeytalksaboutlife can you share how long you used kratom for? I noticed you didn’t mention that very vital piece of info in any of your “kratom journey” stories lol
I was wondeirng. Ive been using kratom everyday now for about 3 years. Used it to get off methadone. Im taking about 20-25 grams a day. My friend gave me a few suboxine strips to use to kick kratom, i was thinking to cutt the sub strips up and that that wohld be helpful to get over the first few days of pain. Do yall think thatd work well?
If you used Kratom to get off of an opioid, Methadone, why would you want go back to using another opioid, Suboxone, to get off Kratom? To me that's jumping out of the fire and into the smoke then back into the fire. Kratom is not an opioid per say but it does behave like one so it is addictive and the withdrawals suck but Suboxone withdrawal is worse. There's no easy way to get off Kratom but it will be less painful than getting off a true opioid.
@@NATEROB009 I have 2 suboxine strips,, I figure I would cut them up and use them for 3-4 days,, I wouldn't think there'd be withdrawals using them for such a short time, ?, u think I'd withdrawal from subkxin using so little?,- the way I see it is that it'd just help a Lil going over the bump,
@@NATEROB009 the plan is to just use suboxine for a few days. To get over the hump so to say. Do u think that's a bad idea? I can't imagine I'd go thru suboxine withdrawals using it for so little of a time. What's your opinion?
Glad to hear Your Story. Man, I've never measured exactly how much I take, but I take two heaping tablespoons and one level tablespoon 3 to 4 times a day according to my schedule and have for years. My question is, do you think a slower taper may make things any easier?,
I’ve quit so many times before. I actually find the quit process enjoyable because i start enjoying music again. The longest I’ve been off though in 5 years is 4 months maybe. Can’t remember exactly how much i was taking because at that point I had kinda got so embarrassed I had stopped counting it. I’m looking to get off again soon and my plan is to just grind through 14 days and get on nalextrone. I’ve heard fantastic things about it and hopefully it can help with pain as well. That lethargy sounds horrible though I have to work physical labor and don’t know if I can do it. I’m thinking of ct tomorrow and seeing how far I get and then gonna try the stem and vein taper thing
nice, i used it for 2-3 years, quit for 2 years, used it again for like a month and quit for another 1.5 years now lol but might use it again
I noticed I quit enjoying music as much too! Do you have any theories about why this might be?
it not that anyone "stops liking music as much".....but rather the detox process causes emotional lability, so responding to music can seem more intense.@@joybiddie6575
@@joybiddie6575 no idea but it seems like a common thing. Almost makes the entire wd worth it to be honest. Just having a few beers watching Alice In Chains unplugged down in a hole and crying
@@joybiddie6575When I first start taking k I love music! I loved everything! Now after four years I don't like music. I don't like movies. I hardly like anything. I just sit and chill.
im at like 100g a day after a year of using it. i started because i had to get sober from alcohol and it did help temporarily but I'm at a place where it has gotten out of control. i have gotten off it in the past before i started a year ago after small period of using it but never tried after using it for this long in this amount. I'm very much struggling with how to go about it! esp since i also use it for chronic pain and the withdrawal is extremely painful. I've not been successful with tapering but i think cold turkey would be horrific so I'm going to give it another go. I'm glad i found this video! maybe ill try to switch to tea/capsules in order to adjust my tolerance and be able to control it better. thx for making this and being so candid! i don't see a lot of people out there talking honestly about kratom use.
100 grams at the very max. average is more like 70-80. still wildly overusing but still.
Greater five weeks and still not a complete night of sleep?! Early on rice are taking Kr ATOM. The way it made me feel. I knew it was gonna be a real mother to get off of this stuff! I mean, I will get more effort off. One dose of k than I did with seven percocets. And sleeping? Wow! Is the dreams! I knew that this was going to be very tough! I have only experienced a few times a withdrawals until I Redosed. A frightening experience. On the highway with my body and a spasm attack! I was screaming! I couldn't sit still going sixty five seventy miles an hour! Uncontrollable shaking! I've heard the expression.... Shadow boxing. Ha. That's how I felt in the car. And that only lasted maybe thirty minutes. Until I got my dose in. How in the world am I going to get off this stuff.
Has anyone quit kratom with very little to no WD by tapering extremely slowly. Like 1 gram less per day, then staying there for several days before subtracting another gram (or less if needed) until you're only taking 1 gpd?
I realize this would take a very long time especially if you're starting at a high dose, but is this method feasible if you're not on a time table to getting all the way off?
What are the downsides of doing it this way? I am worried I might experience negative mental/mood effects from lowering the dose and instead of experiencing a couple weeks of hell, I'd be in a year long (or more) state of slight depression. Is it better to rip off the bandaid so to speak?
The slower the taper, the less withdrawals. The catch is, it takes longer and you HAVE to stick to your plan. You cannot ever take more than the taper calls for. Gotta be very committed. No cheat days, lol!
I wanna cry! I'm a sahm , homeschooling 3 kids. I've been taking it daily for SIX YEARS! I have a very addictive personality. Everything I touch, I way over do it! I'm a slave to this shit now. Just going a few hours without it, I get body chills and sweats! I get the RLS until i get up and take it! It controls me entirely and I'm sooooo scared of the symptoms you're describing. My husband works out of town for a week straight, then is home for a week straight, so I fear I will REALLY struggle on the weeks he is gone. And I will cave to the addiction. Im so fucked! 😔
Im only 17 years old but maybe i can help you a bit since ive taking it myself for a few months. Take caffeine for sleepiness. Take ibuprofen or paracetamol if you get headaches. Take melatonin against insomnia. And if you feel too terrible drink a bit of alcohol. But watch out with alcohol as well because you dont want to get addicted to it either. You can do it. God bless you
Did it make you nervous you could sleep for 5 weeks? I'm on day six and it's starting to freak me out, i think the night before last i slept maybe 2 1/5 hrs but that's the most, some night none done an hour split up..... Starting to worry
I hear ya! If you ever want to quit and want my 1:1 support, book a free 20 min consultation with me and we can talk it out. joeytalks.com/quitkratom
Hey everyone I just wanted to give you all a breakdown of what the last 7 days have been like for me quitting kratom cold turkey after 4 years of a 25g a day intake.
Day 1. The withdrawals started about 12 hours after my last dose but very mild, shivers, aches and yawning.
Day 2. Insomnia kicked in as did the restless legs and arms. Diarrhea started and the chills + goosebumps where chronic. I could not get warm and when I felt slightly warm I would sweat profusely. The stomach cramps made eating difficult and I developed a foul taste in my mouth. Lack of energy really ramped up.
Day 3. Pretty much the same as day 2. Exhausted at this point from lack of sleep and food but felt some symptoms subside.
Day 4. Restless legs pretty much gone, insomnia still there getting a few hours sleep a night. Diarrhea persisted as did the chills and lack of appetite.
Day 5. Feeling a but better. Restless legs gone completely, sleep still tricky, difficult to get comfortable. Worst of it now is the fatigue and Diarrhea.
Day 6. Fatigue and Diarrhea the worst of it now. Slept much better on the night of day 6 after taking a magnesium supplement.
Day 7. Worst of it now has completely gone. Still some lingering symptoms, chills, stomach issues and fatigue BUT nowhere near as bad. I'm feeling so much better. The depression of days 2 and 3 has gone and I'm feeling more optimistic. It's one week out of a whole year. If you're looking to quit start magnesium earlier than I did along with vitamin C. You can do this
Great video thanks for this very helpful I’ve been on methadone 4 years now I was wondering if I can substitute methadone for kraton I did take MIT 45 liquid and it hit good I don’t want to be on methadone anymore I’m on 3 mg now I’ve been going down but I’m scared I’ve always switched around
about to try to quit.... its rough... tried weaning myself off but didnt have the discipline for that so just going to go cold turkey... been using daily for about 3-4 years.... at one point buying kilos and doing a LOT, the last year I have been steady on about 10-20 grams a day a little less on work days just because I dont have time, but averaged out. A 100 gram bag lasts me just less than 7 days or thereabouts
So I've been on and off with kratom for 3 years. Never used it daily for more than 2 weeks in a role. Except last month due to life stresses I began taking it daily and I mean absurd amounts. Probably about 25-35g a day. And ive tried quitting but this time unlike other times I haven't been able to just put it down and not think about it. So I've been doing the whole buying and throwing out trying to quit. I'm on day 2 since my last dosing. I'm not having any withdrawal symptoms, I do feel low, lack of excitement, and some anxiety (which could just be life ). But physically I'm fine. Yesterday I had a slight headache here and there. I don't think I can go back to using it like I did in the past because over the last month I've definitely become addicted and no longer have control over it like I have for the past 3 years. Ladies and gentlemen do not use kratom or drugs to mask your problems
Appreciate it man.
25 days free ct 65 gpd 3 years sleeping seven hours a night getting in the best shape of my life every single thing that junk took from me I am getting back and more. I am 28 and a guy so I thank God I did not wait until I was much older or the recovery would be much harder
45 grams a day for 12 years, last two year it’s caused extreme hyperpigmentation of my skin on my face, neck and arms. I have to get laser therapy to remove the extra pigment due to kratom. Did a 28 day taper. You are 100% correct, I thought if I could get thru the withdrawals I’d have this battle one. The mind tricks you have to play to not take another dose is exhausting! Luckily now I don’t have a choice due to the hyperpigmentation.
As someone who works out a lot, did you find that the gym helped you through this? Did you go during the withdrawals? Filling those dopamine receptors.
I drink it for chronic pain and it helps my ptsd and anxiety. I know once i told my famiky that i wasn't trying to not need anything, because i know i always will, was freeing too. Like finding it.
Im just so glad there are options for us that wont hurt us, and actually work. So we can make choices that are best for each of us. Thanks for sharing! Im still looking into ketamine therapy, but i know it wont be at home for me, probably infusion. I wish you the best on your new journeys 🙂🍃☕️❤️🙏🥄💪⚖️
I used kratom for 7 years, 30gpd. My withdrawal symptoms were severe anxiety/brutal panic attacks. I went 4 weeks straight with anxiety 24/7. Thankfully the panic attacks have subsided. I'm on my 6th week, mostly dealing with fatigue. I used kava on my really bad days to help with the panic attacks also iron and b vitamins, fish oil anything that aids in brain health. Insomnia was another symptom.
thahk you for this video, how are you now ?
I struggle a lot been takin around 15-18gs of premium strong powder for year atleaset and 2-3 years of 5-10gs before,)
I need to quit but i cant stop working so im in this loopo of misery where im thinking that i need some backup money so i can finnaly end this suffering, cuz WD combined with fear of survival just isnt bearable for me lol..
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Congrats Joey! It's great to hear you've stopped taking kratom. It's hard to imagine life without it again but i know anyone who wants to quit can do it!
Thanks!
Day 6. Man the worst of it now is the diarrhea and the fatigue, coupled with chills and this weird taste I have in my mouth. The restless legs have GONE!!! Last night I got about 4 hours sleep, the night before pretty much slept through. It doesn't help that my wife snores. I've said to a few people now that the worst part of kratom withdrawal is you wait around all day praying for bedtime but when bedtime comes you can't sleep. It sucks guys but I'm so close to a week clean for the first time in 4 years quitting c/t and there is no way that I'm going back, absolutely not. If I can do this you can do it as well
Day 4. Last night was awful. I got about 2 hours sleep and this morning the stomach cramps are pretty bad. I'm still struggling to eat but I'm so determined to beat this I Will not give in
There's a "thing" out there named MMS.
It can be used, amongst many other things, to help get through all sorts of withdrawals.
It's still rough, but it will detoxify the body faster.