F-302 : How it Works
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- The F-302 Fighter Interceptor is one of the best tools used to fight the Goa'uld, Wraith, and others. But how does it work? Taylor, The Stargate Guy is here with an explanation of of the F-302 works.
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Brilliant thanks Stargate Guy! The F-302 is truly one of the most memorable and effective fighters in sci-fi.
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Glad you like the video and the ship.
Good video .. but .. f-22 have cannons not "machine guns" . Anything larger then .50 cal or 13.5mm is considered a cannon...also a rail gun wouldn't require a belt fed mechanisim as they dont work like a traditional machine gun that requires a whole
Pull/push out of the belt ,load,fire, extract cycle.. only requires a loading mechanisim ... but great video
Good to know. Thanks
I still think a belt feed would lead to 'less to no' jams since spring tension magazines can have there issues. You can still use the belt even if it's caseless ammo which it kind of sort of is.
@@dragonsword7370 the options do not have to be these 2 (and bell feed is more complikated for railguns becaus you kann not just ricker the bullet). You cold get realy creative becaus for a railgun to work it only reauiers that the rails are powered and the projectile is touching both at the same time (and be electical conductive).
For those asking how it maneuvers in space, the two side engines can be operated in space by switching to an onboard source of oxygen.. liquid oxygen to be precise and the engine in the middle is a rocket booster for extra thrust.. also it has inertial dampeners which makes it very different from a normal fighter jet because the pilot doesn’t have to pull gs.. Hope that clears up the confusion!
Interesting I like it.
Is a pooor sheep ,the goauld glider is muche cooler!!!!!
It is stated in an episode of Atlantis that while the F-302 does have inertial dampeners, at sufficiently high acceleration the inertial dampeners can't fully compensate
Awesome vid! This week I just made a history of the x302 for next month. Awesome research on the aim missiles, I had no idea there were different ones LOL. Also great work on the aerospike engines!
Glad you like it I appreciate that. I hope your video goes well.
Thanka Have a great week!
lol " A Luke Skywalker Death Star Maneuver" That is exactly what that scene looks like when you watch it especially with the cannons of Anubis' ship firing at him. I also wonder if the Jaffa in the Intercepting Death Gliders got torn apart by the jump the 302 did to get in close to the vessel.
Well that's exactly what the maneuver is. It's like a shot for shot remake.
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Well actually if you want to get REALLY technical they are both shot for shot remakes of a scene in the WW2 film The Dambusters (1955).
Likewise James Cameron lifted many scenes in Aliens visually shot for shot from Them! (1954), so the 2 of them probably went to the same school of plagiarising their betters and passing it off as original content.
with a belt fed railgun, all you really need to do is feed the round in and fire it, link and all.
Hell, you can even use the link for the round as the actual disintegrating sled you often see, the one that actually rides the 'rails' of the railgun
the aerospike would have/ should have ran on liquid fuel/oxidizer. because solid rocket fuel engines are not readily throttleable nor can you simply shut them off. Eg. space shuttle solid rocket boosters. the idea of a jet/aerospike hybrid could radically change modern spaceflight though!!
I facepalmed when he said this...
A lot of this video is just wrong...
wayne macleod yes! In fact Russia is working on an that type of engine for their space bomber, it uses kerosene when in the atmosphere and then in space switches to methane and an onboard source of oxygen..
A very good video! I like that you elaborated more on the engine types and their uses outside of Stargate and that you mentioned special functionalities, like the bomb bay used to deploy the satellite. Maybe it was originally a place for the hyperdrive? Idk, I would put a small shield generator there :D Btw, what was the episode with the F-302s attacking a Wraith Cruiser? (5:22)
Was the nadqadriah hyperdrive only on the X-302? I don't remember it ever being on an active F-302.
Yep it was. That was a F302 that Jack used against Anubis’ flag ship.
But that could've been the X-302, couldn't it?No the X-302 was destroyed with the Antarctic stargate. They never used the hyperdrive again so I'm guessing that it's a one off design as needed instead of standard issue
In the episode it was identified as a prototype F-302.
Probably most of them couldn't afford to have an active naquadriah FTL simply because of how little of the substance they actually had to work with, not to mention its great volatility.
Just a quick note, the AIM-120C and -D has clipped fins to fit in the F-22 and F-35's weapons bays. If they don't, then they're the -A or -B model.
Interesting. I thought they have inertial drives too, reverse-engineered from the death glider. Bigger ships, like the prometheus obviously have them, otherwise they wouldn't lift off the ground. In fact, the F-302 need them if they are able to launch from ground to space - that is impossible to do with the amount of chemical fuel you can fit into such small craft (rocket equation is an unforgiving bitch).
Although it might be possible they have nucleo-thermal engines powered by naquadah and using solid propellant or hydrogen as reaction mass. That would give them enough delta-v to fly into space, given their size.
It is likely that the solid fuel used for the aerospikes was Naquadah. It would serve as a long term fuel and wouldn’t take up much space and weight.
That would make them either a nucleothermal engine, which still needs reaction mass, but could be configured as aerospike. Or it would be a fission fragment engine which can't use aerospike design by any stretch of the imagination and also its fumes are literally nuclear fallout. So I'm pretty sure it's the former.
I do vaguely remember it mentioned that X/F-302 has inertial dampeners. It is essentially the same tech that goauld use for propulsion in death gliders, so I find it very likely. In fact, I do also vaguely remember that during the battle of antarctica, the squadron leader mentioned that F-302's don't fly like regular fighters begause of their innertial dampeners / innertial propulsion (I will have to rewatch that episode to confirm).
They do have inertial dumpers, in the prototype X-302 it's about 90% effective (SG1 6x01), don't know if this is improved over time.
KohuGaly inertial dampeners aren’t inertial propulsion, inertial dampeners dampen the effects of gravity while inertial drive are reactionless thrusters that don’t require reaction mass which is impossible but it’s a show obviously.. also Prometheus and the other ships use anti gravity to life off which basically shuts off gravity around the craft allowing it to hover because gravity isn’t pulling at the ground..
So what does it use to maneuver in space it don't have a death glider engine so use Liquid fuel
I loved the design but I always wondered why they didn’t get rid of all the engines and put one or two micro sub light engines in? Powered by a mark 2 naquda reactor or something It would have been more than possible in the later seasons 9/10 of stargate and anti grav tech to land?
I’m sure earths next generation fighter would be based on Asgard tech and not Gould maybe they will incorporate the sublight and anti grav then
Probably a cost issue.
The Stargate Guy no it was a weight issue because if u look at the sublight engines on Prometheus and the bc-304 their huge! Imagine trying to put that on to the 302!
Marcus W yep probably using the small sublight thrusters that are on the 304 and asgard anti gravity hovering tech.. if their ever is another big stargate show I’m sure that’s what the upgraded 302 will look like..
I'm surprised they didn't go to the hebridans for ship and fighter craft designs and technology they have dozens of different designs big and small for spacecraft etc even their flying cars are powered by the ion drives they use and could build dozens of heavy fighter/bombers with hebridan technology etc to defend earth and Atlantis especially Atlantis needing to defend against the wraith and Atlantis can be a space port with ships going and coming etc , or even create a another version of puddle jumpers for themselves to have to use through the Stargate, they won't have the resources to build them like ancient technology but a improvise version of it using gao'uld technology, they can use tel'tak ship and break it down and use it's metal to build jumper hulls , use it's inertia dampeners, shield, cloaking device , sublight engines , Idk if they can find a way to interface alantean drone weapons on it or not so more likely to mount chain guns one on each side of it with 15-20 stinger missiles for anti aircraft or airstrikes that are enhance with naquadah to do good damage and if you need a easy power source take the liquid naquadah vial from a gao'uld staff weapon and make a power booster device like O'Neill made before making Stargate command's power go up 10x being able to use 8 Chevron address in the Ida galaxy, 1 will be plenty of power for a jumper and gao'uld drop staff weapons by the hundreds when fighting the system lord's
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Where u been at? i have you on notifications but u havent posted in quite sometime,are you ok? Or maybe running out of the to talk about stargate wise...so keepem comin i watch every one of them
Do you think you can do comparison between the Hyperdrive used on X-302 & the one used Mckay & Zelenka in Atlantis: Lifeline which worked. I can only assume 5 to 6 plus years of profecting their design plus their 6 months R & D at Area 51 on Hyperdrives. Also power source of Puddle Jumpers VS Naqurdria... that does call into questions hyperdrives given to them by Asgards which was Neutrino-Ion Generators but recon to Naquadria.. i can only imagine power out put of Mark II Naquahda Generator powered by Naquardria
That would be interesting I’ll add it to the list.
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It's too bad they kept the prototype's paint scheme for the run of the show. Once it was in service it should have had a tailcode of some sort instead of "F-302" on the tails.
I think they should have done a straight black since they are mostly used in space combat.
Given all the straight lines and angles around the cockpit, a black paint job would have given it a kind of F-117 aesthetic too.
matte black would suit it well for space. Or a grey paintscheme like on the the bigger ships.
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Fun fact - black isn't actually that good for camouflage in space. The issue is that it only works in a very specific circumstance - specifically, in orbit on the sun-side of the planet, looking towards the planet's parent star but not in a direct line between the planet and the star. It would stick out like a sore thumb in open space, where many stars and other objects would be visible, as it would block line of sight to those objects.
If anything, the best camouflage for space combat would be "dazzle" camo, which is generally a high-contrast (usually monochromatic black and white) pattern designed to be painful to look at and to obscure the outline of the wearer or vehicle through the use of optical illusions rather than by blending into the background.
@@VestedUTuber camouflage in space is pointless as the enemy ships and fighters had sensors that can detect them
46.78 ft long, 85.85 ft wide and 19.42 ft high
There are actually discussions how big the F-302 actually is. With the help of seen onscreen material (like the view inside the cockpit, the size of the cockpit on the actual model and how big they are in comparison to the Daedalus' hangar)
My only problem is the sizes people put the 302 and 304. The shots of the X302 on top of the plane with a stargate strapped to it show a way small ship then 14m the stargate is 6.7m that would put it around 8-10m long. the AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles are 3.7m long there is no need to build a fighter of the sizes you have put on the 302 26 meter wing span is over 85 feet. While the f-117 Nighthalk stealth fighter is 65ft 11in or 20.09m long and a wingspan of 43ft 4in or 13.21m with a height of 12ft 9.5in or 3.90m. this was the inspiration behind the 302. Why would they build something that much bigger then what they had. wings are not needed in space and are not needed to be that bige at the speeds a f-302 can fly in an atmosphere. The X-302 was the only real source to get the size with what we know and that is the stargate any other was CGI and with no backing. The X-302 is what the 304 should be based on for there is on where to biuld a 650m ship on earth and keep it quit. thanks Im done.
I LOVED the F-302, I just wished that they'd given it a name like Falcon, Eagle or Hornet.I don't think that the F-302 had the naquadria hyperspace engine, it was on the X-302 but it was a failure so they didn't install it on the F-302 when into production.Guns on fighters generally eject the links between bullets so it might be that that the 302s did too
No they did install it on the f302 as well they just limited it to be used for the short bursts. So that was an f302 that jack used against Anubis’ flag ship.
But they never used it again as far as I know.
How do you know that it's standard equipment on the 302? PLUS, naqadria isn't as common a resource as even naquadah is (for example).
As far as I know, only three planets in the Milky Way had ANY and two of them are now destroyed.
I figure that, like the concept of liquid naquadah, it was a plothole to fill a need that they couldn't figure out in any other way since it was never shows up again in the series or the franchise
So how does the F-302 decelerate in space?
They should have also learned how to re create the anti gravity engines.
As used by the Death Gliders.
Those solid rocket boosters are great, for 90 seconds, when the fuel is gone.
Then what, in space?
Looks like the 302 could fit thru the gate in your thumbnail! :)
Shame it wasn't designed to travel via gates, even if it was just folding wings so it could be hauled through without disassembly, that would be useful... but they were intended to have hyperspace, so they didn't think the gate factor through..
Can't have everything I spose..
True. It would be easier if the wings could fold up so it can at least taxi through the gate.
Taylor, can you do a profile on the retou from season 2 ep. 20? They were one of my favorite non human species in the show
Oh yeah totally will, It might take a little while but they are on my list.
It doesn't have "solid rocket boosters" it just has "rocket boosters".
Solid fuel engines cannot be turned on/off at will. Once they're lit they burn till the "solid fuel" is exhausted.
Coolest fighter in sci fi, only second to the Starfury from Babylon 5.
Well the starfury does look cool. But to me the f-302 is far more of a possible dream.
They can't be solid fuel, because solid rocket booster cannot be throttled. They are probably liquid fueled rockets.
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And yes gotta use those missiles at some point. Military investors put good money into them!
exactly.
I don't think the rockets are actually solid fuel. Solid rockets wouldn't work with aerospikes. The big rocket probably isn't a solid rocket either. Here is why:
Solid rockets are used due to being very simple and thus reliable (for the most part). That is really their only advantage. They have a lot of disadvantages though. Most of their disadvantages stem from one characteristic: the fuel consumption and power output cannot be changed once ignited. Because it is burning fuel at a constant rate, it is constantly losing mass, meaning its acceleration is also increasing at a constant rate. At the same time, the rocket cannot be turned off until it has used up all its fuel. You cannot decrease the thrust or increase the thrust from what it outputs. You cannot save fuel by temporarily turning off the engine, and you cannot change how much you are accelerating. Basically, once a solid rocket is ignited, it stays on until it uses all its fuel and it determines how fast you go, with no ability to change that if necessary. Liquid fuel rockets on the other hand are the exact opposite. They are more complex and thus more can go wrong (again, this is a generalization, as liquid fuel rockets also can have safety measures integrated into their design that don't work on solid rockets, such as emergency cut-off type systems, and the ability to turn off the rocket if necessary). Liquid fuel rockets can have their power output changed while ignited, and can be turned off and on as wanted. This means their acceleration can be changed in flight, etc. etc. For use in craft that maneuver a lot, it does not make sense to use a solid rocket. Most aerospike designs have maneuvering features, particularly thrust vectoring. The most powerful aerospike engine constructed is probably the engine for the X-33 venture star. The engine was completed and tested though the venture star never flew. The engine is now at a NASA museum in Louisiana I believe, at a site dedicated to engine development and testing (the facility has what look like overbuilt launchpads, basically structures where the engines are mounted and ignited but are kept from moving by being anchored to the structures). Anyway, the venture star engine was a liquid fueled thrust vectoring aerospike engine.
Basically, why the engines on the F-302/X-302 are all liquid fuel: to be able to change the throttle and acceleration of the engines to be useful when maneuvering. I believe its possible one of the engines can be a solid rocket (the big one in the middle), basically as a rocket meant to simply get the F-302/X-302 out of the atmosphere, but any rocket engine the F-302/X-302 would use in combat maneuvers would have to be a liquid fuel engine.
This is really interesting. My question is how would naquida play a role into this? It’s a common belief that the solid fuel used is naquida and not a traditional fuel.
A solid rocket is a solid rocket. Just as different fuels are used in liquid rockets, different fuels are used in solid rockets, but always the same basic components, a fuel and an oxidizer (with some other components as well such as binding agents, bases etc. etc). One advantage I forgot to mention about solid fuel is it being easier to store and prepare for use. Most liquid rocket fuel requires being chilled to store properly (often why you see all that condensation on rockets before launch). The space shuttle booster rockets are solid rockets (the two white ones), while the shuttle itself uses liquid fuel (the space shuttle needs to be able to turn its engines off and on to maneuver into and out of orbit), with the fuel used by the shuttle actually carried outside in that big orange tank. If the solid fuel in question is naquada (which I never heard them mention in the show, but it is possible I guess), for it to be a solid fuel it literally needs to be a solid substance. The best example of this by the way is an estes rocket engine.
I always thought the power of naquada came from nuclear reactions (basically naquada was more powerful than uranium or plutonium, even more so regarding naquadria). There are nuclear rockets of various types, but they usually have a liquid reaction mass (such as water in the case of a nuclear thermal rocket). There are some theoretical rockets that use plasma as the reaction mass, and then of course there are ion engines, which can be powered by a nuclear reactor. Then there are Orion type rockets, which use the energy produced by a nuclear explosion to propel itself. Of these prospective nuclear powered rockets, nuclear thermal rockets and the orion concept are the only ones that have actually been tested (orion used miniature models with conventional explosives for testing to prove the concept of riding an explosion, while full sized nuclear thermal rockets have been tested at various sites including area 51(tested there due to the place being a nuclear test site more than for secrecy, as the nuclear thermal rockets were actually meant for use by NASA so they are relatively public knowledge; their remains can be found on google earth still on their test stands in various places; I may be mistaken about area 51 by the way, I just know they were tested at bases in the Nevada Test Range which includes area 51). A possible Mars expedition spacecraft design uses nuclear thermal rockets by the way. Anyway, the rockets on the F-302 do not look like nuclear thermal rockets or ion engines and are definitely not orion type propulsion systems. It is also unlikely they are plasma rockets either. Which then leaves solid or liquid fuel. This then goes back to my statement, they have to be liquid fuel to be controllable. To put it another way, solid rockets are nothing but firecrackers, and their mechanics are not much different from the gun powder propelled rockets of the 1700s and 1800s ("rockets red glare" refers to rockets propelled by gunpowder). Liquid fueled rockets are also more powerful typically. It may be possible if the rocket used a form of powdered naquadah in a similar way to powdered aluminum being used as a fuel in explosives and other exothermic reactions, but again, it can't be controlled. Basically, solid rockets are simple, cheap, and uncontrollable. Liquid rockets are complex, expensive, and controllable using many different methods (valves, fuel flow regulation, etc. etc.)
For some more historical context, the saturn v rocket used liquid kerosene and liquid oxygen in its powerful engines, the most powerful ever used to launch a rocket (the energia could be argued to be more powerful, but this is based on a technicality of what one defines as a single engine unit, as the energia uses multiple nozzles (4) for a single engine while the saturn v uses 1 nozzle per engine; saturn v nozzle energy > energia nozzle energy).
Anyway, it is believed liquid rockets will most likely always be more mechanically complex than solid, but there have been projects to create more convenient fuels (don't require as much freezing, can be readied much quicker, etc. etc). From what I have seen, the F-302 would use a very stable liquid fuel (there is rarely if any condensation/steam coming off the rockets on the F-302 but the rockets seem to also be controllable), so it is probably one of those prospective liquid fuels.
One thing bothers me by the way about the naquadria powered hyper-drive. In meridian we saw that the radiation from the naquadria was powerful (kills daniel jackson and scientists) when it went critical (this plot element seems to be derived by the way from the real historical events surrounding the "Demon Core"). The F-302 must have some form of shielding for it not to kill the crew. We have tested nuclear reactors on aircraft before and the shielding required is immensely heavy as well as bulky in volume. Yet the F-302 is extremely compact. Any idea where it gets it's shielding or protects the crew from the reactor? Another thing that bothered me was how it could survive re-entry but then I remembered F-302s (barely) surviving entering the coronasphere of a sun for a few seconds.
Ok, after looking at some clips of the F-302, I have a theory: the big rocket nozzle is part of a solid rocket booster (perhaps naquadah mixed with a binding agent mixed with an oxidizer as your thoughts suggest), while the two other rockets, the aerospikes, are liquid fuel. My evidence is this: we rarely see the big rocket being used except when leaving a planet initially, while the two aerospikes are used at all times (they are also probably hybrid-dual mode engines, able to operate as jet engines in atmosphere and rockets when in space, this is an actual thing by the way). The twin aerospike engines appear to be on at all times during space combat, which would only make sense if they were liquid rockets, while the big single engine is only used to reach space. This still feels wrong as I could have sworn the big engine has been turned off and on in an episode, but it makes more sense than all the engines being solid rockets. I still prefer the idea of them all being liquid fueled rockets using an exotic fuel (also has to be ridiculously and implausibly compact due to there being no external tanks and rocket fuel usually requires a lot of volume, but I can roll with that). If all the fuels were naquadah based, the compact storage becomes a bit more plausible. But the physics of a solid rocket simply means that it cannot be used practically in combat (except in missiles, since a missile doesn't need to slow down usually). By the way, are their reaction jets on the F-302 (tiny rockets that are used for maneuvering in space, changinging orientation, etc.etc.)
Jason Burn the f-302 is seen maneuvering like an airplane in space, that to me would lead me to speculate that it has an artificial bubble of oxygen or some gas around it while it’s in space so it can create drag on the craft allowing it turn just like a fighter in atmosphere..
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Well I'm sorry for asking people to take five seconds to look something up and learning some good real world information.
I'm still confused how it flies in space. Since jets don't work in a vacuum, & rockets expend their fuel rather quickly, then I don't see how it could last in a dog fight with death gliders (which apparently don't expel any propellant).
So the solid fuel used for the erospikes is Naquida which contains far more energy than our regular solid state fuel. So the endurance of those are far greater.
The Stargate Guy Yes, I suppose Naquida fueled engines make more sense (as opposed to combustion rockets that simply oxidize fuel). However death gliders, wraith darts, & puddle jumpers all seemed to somehow circumvent the laws of inertia without expelling any kind of rocket exhaust.
Jackson Heathen ?? U could see the red glow on the darts from the engines and the puddle jumpers also have a blue glow around things that are clearly the sublight engines. The death glider is the only one that can do that..
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Too many engine types on the same plane. Inefficient design. A lot of dead weight. It looks cool but the aerodynamics are bad and it would never fly irl. They should have used alien tech to make it fly like the goa´uld shuttle. They had those so why not reverse engineer them?
the F117A stealth cant be flown in real life without its computers constantly compensating and also the euro fighters i think are designed to be aerodynamically unstable in design so they can pull off tight manoueveres and are kept in the air by computers
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