"A boxer with great footwork could avoid low kicks and takedowns" I can't even remember how many times i heard that, like Khabib would say this is nº 1 bullsh*t in the world
I agree a boxer would lose 9 out of 10 times in a MMA fight....but I don't agree with Joe that boxing technique as far as striking wouldn't work in the UFC....it most certainly would expect for inside fighting.....but distance and counter striking like Marquez would definitely work.....there just hasn't been that level of a striker in UFC.....but it's not fair to say ether bcus boxers only work on striking......MMA fighters have to punch,kick , elbow, grapple, wrestle, jiu jitsu and other aspects of fighting......they can't master it all
@@ChromeTecNina Well noticed. Talks like a secret gay who wants to sound like he's a confident macho enough to acknowledge sexy guys. But blows his cover time after time, talking on end about dicks.
@Peter Connell Hm, usually if you admit to yourself that a lady's attractive, that automatically implies sexual attractiveness, I guess. Of course you can admit a guy's attractive perfectly without being gay, but you probably don't understand what's being discussed here. It's most weird SYSTEMATIC behavior by Rogan who regularly discusses guy's dicks, makes dick jokes abundantly for no reason, and generally behaves along those gay lines - which would make such admissions by him even more fitting into that context. People are saying exactly that. But you need to watch his podcasts to understand that.
Wtf Ronnie. Where the fuck did that come from? You been hitting the sauce? Wrestlers are trained to stop takedowns. That’s what wrestling is. Did you forget how sports work for a minute there?
Click on video to hear thoughts on mma vs boxing. Of course I’m going to get Joe googling pictures of jacked dudes and talking about pierced belly buttons.
@@lazerbeamspewpew4728 bruh the sport isn't called "striking" it's called "boxing" I'm not a dogmatic boxer but that's their sport. our fav sport (MMA) doesn't allow head butts but that's part of lethwei striking so ours isn't the most real form of _striking_ as well.
Well James toney got first round finished , Conor McGregor went ten rounds and might I remind you Conor won the first three rounds while Floyd played rope a dope
Nah, I think she's right. Just speaking generally, many MMA fights are stand up fights. Some kicking but not a whole lot. Mostly boxing and some clinch work. If you control distance and tee someone off with crisp punches you can KO a lot of people.
@@davidolmos6335 They still need to have some understanding of grappling like takedown defense, reversals and escapes. Boxing tools are hell damn important, you can make someone talking to themselves, but you have to crosstrain to be a successful fighter. Actually the statement about the footwork and the jab apply more to the street fights(although it's not worth it, fuck this shit), because they happen super fast and having some boxing basics are enough to save your ass and go home safe :)
yeh it terms of a guy thats like almost all wrestling and grappling like khabib vs a guy thats mainly striking the wrestler wins like over 90% of the time but then you have people that are world class everywhere and at putting it all together like woodley,romero,whittaker,jones,cormier,dillashaw and a few more
As a boxer, I'd like to add my piece: I think we have some of the best strikes in martial arts, now I have many friends in my gym who watch and love MMA, and we can't really compare with other martial arts that use other forms of strikes: elbows, palm-strikes, kicks, backfists, etc. I'm fully aware that you can't take a boxing into the octagon, it's the same outcome as getting any MMA fighter and putting the guy in the ring with boxing rules. I've been kicked in the leg before, that hurt like a motherfucker, boxers can do little to nothing against a kick or a grapple unless we have some background in other martial arts, we're fully aware of that. I'm pretty sure if an MMA fighter went against a boxer using nothing but strikes, no kicks or grappling, you're bound to have a hard time.
Like Jeff said, its not a fair fight if you have take away options from a fighter while the other fighter can use his/her entire arsenal. Fact is that boxers are incomplete fighters when you look at the overall picture and not just striking. Even in striking, they are incomplete as they can't kick and can be kept at a distance with kicks. As Joe said, a few hard low kicks to the legs and suddenly your footwork is not the same anymore. However, once a boxer connects, its damn difficult to keep up lol. You guys hit brutally hard!
@@GoreDios "Boxing is the sport of punching , MMA is the sport of fighting" -Joey Rogey Which is the "best" is entirely based on the ruleset. IMO the best study of pure hand strikes is clearly boxing, there are no other things to consider such as, kicks, knees, elbows and most of all TAKEDOWNS. Inversely, the "best" study of pure leg strikes could arguably be Tae kwon do because there are no punches to the head or TAKEDOWNS. The "Best" study of strikes with arms and legs is muay thai also bc they don't have to worry about takedowns. Some could argue kickboxing, silat but idk. One could say the best ground fighting is Brazilian or Japanese Jiu Jit Su because of submissions, but then there's also wrestling and and outlier of judo where its just takedowns and no ground fighting. The game ultimately changes when takedowns, AND groundfighting is allowed. The closest ive seen to an almost zero ruleset is Sambo, Valey Two Toe ; ) and then theres a weird outlier of Lethwei where the art of 9 limbs allowing headbutts exist from Myanmar/Berma neighboring Thailand. Its a wild world out there and Im glad that we're around to see a competitive form of martial arts with a very limited ruleset (MMA) take place on a global scale. Sensai seth and Ramsay Dewey have a great vid on if MMA is a style or just a ruleset. PRIDE was cool and ONE Championship still allows soccer kicks and any leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent, which would make Khabib's reign not be as dominant IMO. There are lots of times where you could sprawl and knee the fuck out of a person shooting and its game over. Anyways COVID has me bored AF, can you tell? lol Merry Chrimbus Everyone!
One big factor in me not enjoying MMA as much as I do for boxing is because adding this kind of shit into boxing would dilute the quality, like it does for MMA. striking generally is poor in MMA, it's hard to be a big boxing fan and watch those MMA guys throw poor quality shots.
@@john-wick101 you're looking at in a strictly boxing lense when in actuality, it's like comparing apples to oranges. It's like Joe said, most of the technique in a pure boxer would not work in MMA. You'd never see a guy in mma set up strikes like Lomachenko, Hearns, Ali , Duran, Sugar Ray or any of the other great punchers because the positioning wouldn't work. "Poor quality" is only correct if you throw those guys into a boxing match. Guarantee 99% of boxers couldn't throw a kick that's near the same quality in technique as Stephen Thompson or Edson Barbosa but again, that's comparing apples to oranges so it's a moot point
@@rams81rule I completely agree and I understand why they wouldn't take a boxers stance etc, I'm not saying their wrong for what their doing entirely though I do find it hard to watch folk who are labeled as punchers in a fight but in reality their punching ain't great, infact it's not great at all. I can watch the likes of h.holmes though, she has the qualities that I'm speaking about.
@Martin Nielsen I didn't say he didn't hit hard. I just said in general MMA folk don't have the quality of shots im used to seeing and it makes me struggle to have the same urge to watch it. Particularly when it's two stand up punchers. P.s. the reem has been KO'd like 13 times so maybe he should improve the quality of his defence 🤗😉
I am an MMA convert. I used to go to a shitty kickboxing club that couldn't be arsed to teach us takedowns and groundwork and made MMA look like an enemy style. We only learned takedowns and groundwork after black belt- I'm glad I did judo and ju jitsu separately. Even the Japanese ju jitsu demonised MMA but results speak for themselves- early UFC was dominated by grapplers and Randy/Chuck brought in striking. MMA is more humble than 'traditional' martial arts.
Damn, what Joe said in the first minute was straight up what happened last weekend with Izzy vs Costa. Izzy just kicked the shit out of him from a distance and never allowed Paulo to get going. Kinda crazy.
That's some of the stupidest crap I've ever heard. Of course boxing can defend itself against wrestling. Ever silly. And the thai stance is most susceptible to takedowns. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go learn some stuff and then talk
Kickboxing I would say at least. Boxing for sure to use techniques in hands of course. Wrestling tough and boxing I can say work fine though to transition into mma.
A boxer who doesn't even learn how to defend a takedown or leg kicks will not last in the cage. The sweet spot for me is an excellent boxer, proficient on the ground (Jiujitsu or wrestling), and a good understanding in defending and throwing low kicks. Honestly, the way boxers manage distance and the high percentage of knockouts that come from their skillset is not something you can dismiss.
I trained mma for years with a wrestling backround our locall MMA gym closed down so i went to our local boxing gym to train who had a rivalry with the mma gym. Theyd always josh me for my striking saying it wasnt great. Somebody at the gym who was a high level boxer said hed be impossible to take down and hed just do "x" or "y" if somebody tried. Then the other boxers said i should try to take him down we both agreed. I took him down over and over and over with ease. Id throw a jab for his guard to go up then go for the single. Id throw a 1-2 then go in for the body lock. He had 0 answers.
I would still say wrestlers would beat boxers in MMA. The guys at the top of the mma game right now like Cormier, Cejudo, Askren, Woodley all have wrestling backgrounds.
How many mma fighters have a boxing background to the same degree as those you listed with wrestling? Im guessing you could count it all in one hand. That’s what’s so skewed about it. I’m willing to bet things would be different if the roles were switched.
I do boxing and I'm pretty sure boxers can't throw spinning backfists is either because you cant purposally turn your back to them and also you have to hit them with a certain part of your fist which a spinning backfist probably wouldnt
There are so many UFC fighters that use boxing. Literally there are so many clips of Rogan saying Nate and Nick are some of the best boxers in the UFC. If you watch the most recent Max Holloway and Kalvin Katar fight you see max using excellent boxing and even working the body with the punches very well. He even screamed at the commentator team that he is the best boxer in the UFC. Boxing is very useful in MMA. Obviously it will be a bit different than in a boxing ring cuz there are so many other styles and factors but still very useful especially against another striker
I was watching this video on my tv and my brother walked in my room when they were deciding which dude looked better and he looked at me with that weird look 👀 and walked out asap😂😂😂😂
Joe I’m a little confused. There was a show you did with Eddie bravo and you were both saying boxing will beat any black belt striker hands down. Was that just in a street fight you were referring to? So there’s that much of a significant difference between a tournament/cage match vs street fighting ????
Israel Adesanya proves her point. A world class kickboxer, taught take down defense and is steamrolling through MMA. You get a great boxer or kickboxer and teach them wrestling for a few years and you will see someone with a huge edge.
@OG BamBam GO im sure she would agree that the striking in kickboxing is still so far advanced compared to usual mma fighters. its just a different level of finesse. Boxing/ Kickboxing, both have huge advantage
Spinning backfist is devastating, major weakness to any spinning move is you only have to touch the outside shoulder to stop any spinning move dead you are now behind in perfect position to choke out. We had a local guy from my home town who used spinning backfist as trademark but he launched it very tight and close in while most use it to cover distance. The Crawf was able to knock out first round many times until he was known for this move. My favourite move but you have to be careful about how to sneak it in as any spinning move can be exploited. th-cam.com/video/pYPMMRy09Tk/w-d-xo.html
It's not just which is better but also which they train for. If a boxer trained against a striker, and a striker trained against a boxer it'd be more fair
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@@Ghidorah96 buddy preaching out here 💪💪💪 I’d literally rather know that my girlfriend could beat me up instead of knowing that SHE’S NOT JUST MY GIRLFRIEND, BUT EVERYBODY’S GIRLFRIEND
Are you implying that Mcgregor is a good striker with good tactics? There are teenage boxers in the US with better boxing than Mcgregor; he’s not some top level striker. His striking is only good for an MMA fighter, and that’s it
@@karangtavana1283 "He's not some top level striker" yeah ok keep believing that. The reality is Mcgregor would not be who he is if he didn't have a mastery of boxing fundamentals. Don't overlook someone's talents just to confirm your beliefs.
@@karangtavana1283 well yeah he’s an mma fighter...his striking isn’t solely boxing. same reason boxers have to learn kicks in mma along with everything else. boxing is good for boxing but you need more in mma. i am in no way saying boxing is useless in mma it’s a big part. but boxing is only a fraction of what is used in mma
@@karangtavana1283 I don’t really like Mcgreggor but in my opinion he has good tactics. Mcgreggor does a lot of striking and counter strikes, I feel like mcgreggor could stand a chance with a boxer in the ring other than Mayweather.
That being said, you could also say that many elite mma fighters should learn how to throw punches more effectively without putting themselves in a vulnerable place
A great jab... I’ve heard so many boxers say you can stop a takedown with a good jab. It’s fucking ridiculous. Imagine a boxer with no take down defense trying to stop a takedown with a jab and footwork in a cage against Khabib. Jabs are effective to keep distance but it’s coming from boxers who get split up every time they start hugging in the ring. There’s no breaks like that in mma. If a jab an footwork worked no one would learn how to sprawl 🤦🏽♂️
I dont know about that ... I think the mma fighter would ultimately win.. simply because he has so much more at his disposal, esp. the leg kicks. I will say one thing though, that mma fighter better not let that boxer get inside and connect cuz he's going down.... Boxers get paid to do one thing, Throw punches and nobody does it better...
@Ivan Ringle What I mean about my comment is once a boxer is able to defend takedowns or get skills in the grappling area, they mostly dictate where the fight will take place (dependingif they are the better wrestlerin that fight). And once its in the stand up realm they have a better chance say than a kickboxer based on how both martial arts defend. In kboxing (or more muay thai...I think) they rather block than get out the way, while boxing has slips etc. Also muay thai/kickboxing (except for dutch style) has a really slow start and is not known for pressuring opponents. Boxers also have strong legs so checking kicks is another skill they can pick up easier than wrestling.
My dream would be to see Jack Dempsey in an MMA fight. Street fighter before professional boxer....he is the most violent boxer I've ever seen....Tyson wanted to be him.
j00 We all know you only mouth off on the internet because you can't fight in real life. You should delete your comment before your parents see it, little one
Kermit Cintron would run through 145 in MMA. Boxers cut weight better than anyone. Strike better than anyone. And if they have a wrestling background it's over for MMA.
Wtf boxers do not cut weight better than anyone?? They cut only a few pounds generally. This kings of cutting weight are wrestlers and mma fighters. Tf are you talking about?
There’s a reason gsp jab destroyed the welterweights for a brief period by then Freddie roach said gsp was really adapting boxing and I think if mma fighters take the time to learn the jab they cud be much more effective
@f3mcell he’s talking about when your fighting in the cage, plus not to mention alot of grapplers know how to take people down without going down with them
Thing is is boxing undoubtedly helps, and fighters in mma who primarily use boxing can still have great success (Calvin Kattar and Max Holloway for example). But you need to have the takedown defense and have trained against people who are allowed to kick you to stand a chance. You gotta at least know how to make your punches work. That being said, boxing for mma isn’t the same as boxing for boxing. The Dempsey roll comes to mind.
When a boxer faces a wrestler it depends on the individual fighting each other a jab and footwork can beat some wrestlers but some wrestlers could deal with the jab easily
MMA is purely a clean street fight that involves technique and because it is like a street fight it won’t be easy surviving the cage just staying pure to one art which is why you have to be pretty much a jack of all trades. Boxing is great but MMA is reality when it comes to Martial Arts in a full hand to hand combat fight
You're wrong. Boxing is a sport. Mma is a sport. Mma is not real combat. As the old UFC slogan used to read, the UFC is, "As real as it gets." If you were allowed to kick and knee downed opponents, do you think BJJ guys would do well when they pull guard? If 10-6 elbows were allowed in UFC, do you think people would shoot for takedowns and risk being killed or paralyzed from elbows to the back of the head, neck, and spine? I love the sport of mma, but you fanboys are delusional.
I don't necessarily agree with Joe on the 1st point he made about about Jon Jones. A boxer who has great defense and who can avoid a hand coming straight at them down the pipe will have a great chance of seeing a kick coming especially as kicks are more likely to be telegraphed. I agree though that if you eat a few it's considerably going to slow you down and someone with a good ground game gets you on the floor then it's night night time. But in the end, I'd say that as straight up amateurs if a very average level MMA fighter fought a boxer if the same average skill set then I believe the MMA fighter has a greater chance unless the boxer utilises his greatest friend, the jab to keep him far away enough that he can't land a punch but close enough that he can't get a decent kick
Boxers wouldn’t be able to see kick coming from a guy like Jones because they wouldn’t know how to read it. Boxers are used to watching your upper body. You really think they’ll be able to quickly see a leg kick coming or a headkick?!
@@itsyourboy7150 A fighter cannot allow his eyes to wander at all. A boxer or any fighter finds a place to concentrate and that way reads the full body. As a boxer I am always trying to work out where my opponent is putting his feet to read his possible intentions so yes we do know how to read feet. I have been training since I was 4 in both boxing and karate and also sparred very much with mauy Thai boxers to practice my movement and for them to get used to high punching rate pressure. I have also trained a lot at my friends MMA gym and although I'm no MMa fighter my knowledge of kicks and handwork especially combined is very high.
@@woden_the_wanderer but that’s the thing. You have that experience. When you have no experience but boxing it’s gonna be very hard for a regular boxer to be able to read and time a leg kick or a calf kick that’s incoming. Maybe even a body or a head. They’re not used to looking for things like that. Put a boxer with a guy that can leg kick the shit out of you and it’s game over son
@@woden_the_wanderer blocking or checking a kick isnt that simple. You dont know if that kick is gonna be to the calf thigh body or head. You NEED kickboxing or muay thai experience theres no other way around it if you are a pure boxer. Saying otherwise is quite disrespectful to the sport of mma
@@carlosthekaratekid6632 Muay thai depending on who is teaching it is sometimes too upright and "stiff" for MMA, lacking head movement and also sometimes their hands arent the most crisp. Again, it depends whos teaching it though, its usually the more traditional places (particularly in Thailand itself) that has those shortcomings. The western MT places often adapt more. As for BJJ, the lack of gi, lack of rashguard and addition of striking changes the ground game so much. Its hard to maintain a grip especially as the fight goes on and people sweat, its also a lot more dangerous to give up position in search of some fancy sub attempt. Top control is a lot more important and you need to keep things basic, high percentage and risk free -stuff like Americanas from side control or simply getting in their guard, posturing up and raining the hammers down.
I myself am mostly a boxer that used to talk down about BJJ and stuff like that, but then I watched one of Joe Rogan's podcast clips about "boxing vs mma" or One about "BJJ" and one of the other guys in the podcast said people prefer the "dumb" way of fighting(I.E Punching it out), instead of the "smart way" with mma and BJJ. After that and I wee bit more research on BJJ and mma and I realized finally why I talked down about mma, it wasn't because of hating, heck no, I love Karate, kickboxing, offensive MA. I think like "if you can't beat someone with your own strength then you're a p*$$y" and that equated to me thinking punching and kicking only, and that grappling and pinning and all that was a p*$$y thing to do. Now It was as the guy in the podcast said, "people prefer the dumb way of fighting" which was how I preferred fighting. Smart, but not the smartest or quickest way of it. Now I have more respect for BJJ & grappling (wrestling sucks tho). Now I might be doing a BJJ class in the near future. Thank you Joe Rogan and TH-cam.
A great jab is underrated! Especially if big guys use it well. Imagine Brock, trying to take down Larry Holmes. No way! He would get jabbed, 600 times!
Spinning backhands alone against a boxer dont work too well, trust me, had a 3 minute match against a bigger guy than me wearing only bag mitts and he was trying spinning backhands, by the time he had spun around id already hit him 2 or 3 times, including in the back of the head which is rather dangerous, he was a bleeding mess by the end, guess it depends on the skill level though.
When he was young, Antonio Inoki was the sexiest Japanese man. He looked like a Japanese George Clooney. Edit: i had to add this. I remember when Frans Botha knocked out Jerome Le Banner in K-1, i was fucking speechless. I thought for sure the Le Banner was going to crush him
I mean tbh it’s not that unbelievable just for an example Uriah Hall on TUF didn’t even know the difference in the types of kicks. He referred to a crescent kick as a front kick
Jason Donoe what about when Ray Mercer a former professional boxer and Olympic gold medalist boxer knocked out Tim Sylvia? Remember when Mercer knocked him out and Sylvia was a former UFC heavyweight champion
Boxing footwork will do absolutely nothing for you in an actual fight with an mma fighter 😂. As a boxer who transitioned into bjj and muay thai I realized footwork in boxing only works in boxing. If you get an mma fighter coming at you with a takedown, your footwork and Jab won't do shit to stop him
In an actual fight, you don’t necessarily have to be in a cage/ring. So if you attempt to take down a boxer in….let’s say a parking lot, they’re going to fuck you up with accurate, precise strikes. It’s easier to land a punch than a kick. They will simply retreat and pick their shots. Possibly even knock you out. But to your defense, wrestling and boxing are the oldest forms of martial arts so I’m pretty sure wrestling has its benefits as well.
@@0Yunggunna disagree, boxers are not used to takedowns and a person who does jot know how to defend against a submission is going to lose badly. The kickboxer can keep the distance as the low kicks are going to chop them up. Boxers are not used to kicks or takedown’s. On the other hand an mma fighter that knows bjj will eat a few punches but they will easily control the boxers body. A boxer vs an mma fighter will get either strangled or knocked out with a kick.
A perfect example is the fight between Mayweather and the Japanese youngster who got stuffed up and against McGregor. I bet neither of these fights would have happened if either had insisted on being able to kick Mayweather in the head.. Just as Mayweather humiliated the youngster I'm pretty sure the youngster would have done the reverse had he been allowed to do his thing.
I think It would be more exciting if they would be able to spinning back fist Superman punch and also hammer fist as long as it it only with your hands wouldn’t it still be considered boxing
In boxing, If done properly there is no time to do a spinning back fist. That means turning your back to your opponent, to me that could be where the fight ends. Yes it could go the other way but I would not face my back to my opponent even for a millisecond.
Mike Tyson would have walked through the MMA, UFC, or any of the other pit or cage fighting circuits without breaking a sweat. Also Mayweather versus O'Connor was the biggest joke I've ever seen and signifyd the fall of boxing to me.
@@iamthelizardking6239 I call bullshit. You better come up with references you expect people to believe that kind of nonsense. If I can't look it up I damn sure don't believe no TH-camr
For all the casual MMA fans out there, who think they like MMA because its like a street fight, forget it! You've never been in real street fights then, MMA doesnt directly translate to a street fight, real self defense is where its at. Kickboxing is the most dynamic and action packed combat sport in terms of stand up competition, yes, a level above MMA.
It sure help an mma fighter to know some boxing fundamentals. It’s not enough for an mma fight but some fighter made career out of good boxing like Poirier.
I was in a MMA team but then I've read a comment of a very wise anon. He said that MMA literally has dropouts from boxing, that were to weak to have a career in boxing. And that's literally true. Because best money is in boxing, not MMA. So - I still wait for a real boxing champion to try his luck in octagon.
Shockingly, people who train for a sport are better at it than people who don't.
Lol. Totally. Well said.
It's a myth.
Fascinating.
You might be right
Its truly sad but casual boxing/mma fans actually believe that somebody from their sport could crossover and compete with the best in the other.
I'm sure she's a great striker, but I'd prefer to see her box.
Lol
This is gold
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah, her head bobbin must be phenomenal, because she took zero shots to the face!
WWWWW
"A boxer with great footwork could avoid low kicks and takedowns" I can't even remember how many times i heard that, like Khabib would say this is nº 1 bullsh*t in the world
Let Khabib fight Canelo Alvarez and see if he can take a shot to the liver.
@@bull419 In boxing or MMA?
she's not wrong, but it definitely wouldn't work most the time that is for sure
@@bull419 can canelo.stop a takedown before he lands on khabib is the question
I agree a boxer would lose 9 out of 10 times in a MMA fight....but I don't agree with Joe that boxing technique as far as striking wouldn't work in the UFC....it most certainly would expect for inside fighting.....but distance and counter striking like Marquez would definitely work.....there just hasn't been that level of a striker in UFC.....but it's not fair to say ether bcus boxers only work on striking......MMA fighters have to punch,kick , elbow, grapple, wrestle, jiu jitsu and other aspects of fighting......they can't master it all
Joe "you're not in sexyamas presence" Rogan
Hilarious
@MUFC I'm gonna assume there are deleted comments
@@jarrettlowery2802 no he just really likes soccer
@@jarrettlowery2802 he pastes the same comment everywhere
Came into this video to hear joes thoughts on different striking. 2 min in and all I’ve seen is these 2 talk about sexy Asian men
😂
Truly the Joe Rogan experience
Very jre
"Jamie pulling up sexy Japanese warriors " should be the title.
More of a 'pulling out' in my opinion.
Joe Rogan, after praising the attractiveness of two males, called a dude having a belly button piercing gay. 😂😂😂
Joe Rogan is suspect as hell. He spends so much time talking about male bodies it's ridiculous
@@ChromeTecNina
Well noticed. Talks like a secret gay who wants to sound like he's a confident macho enough to acknowledge sexy guys. But blows his cover time after time, talking on end about dicks.
@@maladetts Lol you can't recognize when a guy is attractive? Talk about insecure.
@@getasimbe
Like, attractive sexually and genitalia-wise to you, as in when you're gay? Talk about closets.
@Peter Connell
Hm, usually if you admit to yourself that a lady's attractive, that automatically implies sexual attractiveness, I guess. Of course you can admit a guy's attractive perfectly without being gay, but you probably don't understand what's being discussed here. It's most weird SYSTEMATIC behavior by Rogan who regularly discusses guy's dicks, makes dick jokes abundantly for no reason, and generally behaves along those gay lines - which would make such admissions by him even more fitting into that context. People are saying exactly that. But you need to watch his podcasts to understand that.
Footwork and a jab alone is not nearly enough to stop a takedown.
Nohb'dy 11 it’s literally the only thing that stops a takedown. Lol
Ronnie Reeves ever heard of takedown defends/grappling? Lol
Defence’
@@ronniereeves114 _literally_ the only thing that stops a takedown? you must be joking right?
Wtf Ronnie. Where the fuck did that come from? You been hitting the sauce?
Wrestlers are trained to stop takedowns. That’s what wrestling is.
Did you forget how sports work for a minute there?
Click on video to hear thoughts on mma vs boxing. Of course I’m going to get Joe googling pictures of jacked dudes and talking about pierced belly buttons.
why no spinning backfist in boxing? if you cant see your shot it could easily land forearm or elbow
You re right
Its illegal
What a bunch of Pussies. Just do it.. It's a part of STRIKING!!!!
@@lazerbeamspewpew4728 bruh the sport isn't called "striking" it's called "boxing"
I'm not a dogmatic boxer but that's their sport. our fav sport (MMA) doesn't allow head butts but that's part of lethwei striking so ours isn't the most real form of _striking_ as well.
Kael Denna nah, don’t fool your self fam. It’s striking to the purest with a lot of limitations 😭😭.
James Toney got lit up when he attempted MMA, Conor McGregor got lit up while trying to box Floyd, it’s fair easy concept to understand.
That Guy P a lot of mma guys forget that ray mercer ok’d Silva with one punch
James Toney got took down Randy didnt wanna exchange strikes with him. Cmon now dawg
Jahziel Cedillo yeah that’s MMA 🤦♂️
Well James toney got first round finished , Conor McGregor went ten rounds and might I remind you Conor won the first three rounds while Floyd played rope a dope
@@javiermejia8976 first 3 rounds keep off the acid
Jamie didn't searched Sexy Yama at that moment .. it was already on the other google tab
I thought this was an MMA Striking vs Boxing but somehow it turned out into Masato theme and who is the sexiest japanese fighter
When she said that a boxer can win an mma fight with footwork and a jab I paused and laughed my ass off
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Nah, I think she's right. Just speaking generally, many MMA fights are stand up fights. Some kicking but not a whole lot. Mostly boxing and some clinch work. If you control distance and tee someone off with crisp punches you can KO a lot of people.
Most MMA guys don't have good footwork or a jab by boxing standards
@@davidolmos6335 They still need to have some understanding of grappling like takedown defense, reversals and escapes. Boxing tools are hell damn important, you can make someone talking to themselves, but you have to crosstrain to be a successful fighter. Actually the statement about the footwork and the jab apply more to the street fights(although it's not worth it, fuck this shit), because they happen super fast and having some boxing basics are enough to save your ass and go home safe :)
Joe “he’s got that cross hanging really low” Rogan
World class wrestler vs world class striker in mma. Wrestler will win most of the time.
I like how you used the word "most" of the time. I definitely agree with that.
yeh it terms of a guy thats like almost all wrestling and grappling like khabib vs a guy thats mainly striking the wrestler wins like over 90% of the time but then you have people that are world class everywhere and at putting it all together like woodley,romero,whittaker,jones,cormier,dillashaw and a few more
but what's more entertaining?
Adam Elizondo true, but every fight starts on the feet. Alot of the time it comes down to who is more well rounded. And who's got better cardio
Cerebral2ssasin doesn’t really matter, I’d rather be a winner than a loser
As a boxer, I'd like to add my piece: I think we have some of the best strikes in martial arts, now I have many friends in my gym who watch and love MMA, and we can't really compare with other martial arts that use other forms of strikes: elbows, palm-strikes, kicks, backfists, etc. I'm fully aware that you can't take a boxing into the octagon, it's the same outcome as getting any MMA fighter and putting the guy in the ring with boxing rules. I've been kicked in the leg before, that hurt like a motherfucker, boxers can do little to nothing against a kick or a grapple unless we have some background in other martial arts, we're fully aware of that. I'm pretty sure if an MMA fighter went against a boxer using nothing but strikes, no kicks or grappling, you're bound to have a hard time.
So you have to take away weapons from your opponent to win. What a dumpster fire of an argument.
Like Jeff said, its not a fair fight if you have take away options from a fighter while the other fighter can use his/her entire arsenal. Fact is that boxers are incomplete fighters when you look at the overall picture and not just striking. Even in striking, they are incomplete as they can't kick and can be kept at a distance with kicks. As Joe said, a few hard low kicks to the legs and suddenly your footwork is not the same anymore. However, once a boxer connects, its damn difficult to keep up lol. You guys hit brutally hard!
Muay Thai strikes are *leagues* above boxing
In my personal opinion muay thai is the best striking martial art because there are more strikes and clenching, along with more combos to use
@@GoreDios "Boxing is the sport of punching , MMA is the sport of fighting" -Joey Rogey Which is the "best" is entirely based on the ruleset. IMO the best study of pure hand strikes is clearly boxing, there are no other things to consider such as, kicks, knees, elbows and most of all TAKEDOWNS. Inversely, the "best" study of pure leg strikes could arguably be Tae kwon do because there are no punches to the head or TAKEDOWNS. The "Best" study of strikes with arms and legs is muay thai also bc they don't have to worry about takedowns. Some could argue kickboxing, silat but idk. One could say the best ground fighting is Brazilian or Japanese Jiu Jit Su because of submissions, but then there's also wrestling and and outlier of judo where its just takedowns and no ground fighting. The game ultimately changes when takedowns, AND groundfighting is allowed. The closest ive seen to an almost zero ruleset is Sambo, Valey Two Toe ; ) and then theres a weird outlier of Lethwei where the art of 9 limbs allowing headbutts exist from Myanmar/Berma neighboring Thailand. Its a wild world out there and Im glad that we're around to see a competitive form of martial arts with a very limited ruleset (MMA) take place on a global scale. Sensai seth and Ramsay Dewey have a great vid on if MMA is a style or just a ruleset. PRIDE was cool and ONE Championship still allows soccer kicks and any leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent, which would make Khabib's reign not be as dominant IMO. There are lots of times where you could sprawl and knee the fuck out of a person shooting and its game over. Anyways COVID has me bored AF, can you tell? lol Merry Chrimbus Everyone!
“They are very purists”
Matt October
The reason you cant do a spinning backfist in boxing, is because youre not allowed to turn your back.
One big factor in me not enjoying MMA as much as I do for boxing is because adding this kind of shit into boxing would dilute the quality, like it does for MMA. striking generally is poor in MMA, it's hard to be a big boxing fan and watch those MMA guys throw poor quality shots.
@@john-wick101 you're looking at in a strictly boxing lense when in actuality, it's like comparing apples to oranges. It's like Joe said, most of the technique in a pure boxer would not work in MMA. You'd never see a guy in mma set up strikes like Lomachenko, Hearns, Ali , Duran, Sugar Ray or any of the other great punchers because the positioning wouldn't work. "Poor quality" is only correct if you throw those guys into a boxing match. Guarantee 99% of boxers couldn't throw a kick that's near the same quality in technique as Stephen Thompson or Edson Barbosa but again, that's comparing apples to oranges so it's a moot point
@@rams81rule I completely agree and I understand why they wouldn't take a boxers stance etc, I'm not saying their wrong for what their doing entirely though I do find it hard to watch folk who are labeled as punchers in a fight but in reality their punching ain't great, infact it's not great at all. I can watch the likes of h.holmes though, she has the qualities that I'm speaking about.
@Martin Nielsen I didn't say he didn't hit hard. I just said in general MMA folk don't have the quality of shots im used to seeing and it makes me struggle to have the same urge to watch it. Particularly when it's two stand up punchers.
P.s. the reem has been KO'd like 13 times so maybe he should improve the quality of his defence 🤗😉
Joe “mma is better than everything humanly possible” Rogan
I am an MMA convert. I used to go to a shitty kickboxing club that couldn't be arsed to teach us takedowns and groundwork and made MMA look like an enemy style. We only learned takedowns and groundwork after black belt- I'm glad I did judo and ju jitsu separately. Even the Japanese ju jitsu demonised MMA but results speak for themselves- early UFC was dominated by grapplers and Randy/Chuck brought in striking. MMA is more humble than 'traditional' martial arts.
Damn, what Joe said in the first minute was straight up what happened last weekend with Izzy vs Costa. Izzy just kicked the shit out of him from a distance and never allowed Paulo to get going. Kinda crazy.
Finally some agrees that's why Israel was using those leg kicks, I had somone disagree with me on that lol
But that's not Boxing dude. That's Muay Thai. Boxing can't defend itself against Wrestling unlike Muay Thai.
That's some of the stupidest crap I've ever heard. Of course boxing can defend itself against wrestling. Ever silly.
And the thai stance is most susceptible to takedowns. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go learn some stuff and then talk
Boxing and wrestling are two basics that make all combat arts built on
Mike Shimer No
a good combination of both is good
Kickboxing I would say at least. Boxing for sure to use techniques in hands of course. Wrestling tough and boxing I can say work fine though to transition into mma.
@@TheDragonHouse also bjj
@@pavasite4278 ad that with some wrestling and you'll be a heck of a grappler
A boxer who doesn't even learn how to defend a takedown or leg kicks will not last in the cage. The sweet spot for me is an excellent boxer, proficient on the ground (Jiujitsu or wrestling), and a good understanding in defending and throwing low kicks. Honestly, the way boxers manage distance and the high percentage of knockouts that come from their skillset is not something you can dismiss.
I trained mma for years with a wrestling backround our locall MMA gym closed down so i went to our local boxing gym to train who had a rivalry with the mma gym. Theyd always josh me for my striking saying it wasnt great. Somebody at the gym who was a high level boxer said hed be impossible to take down and hed just do "x" or "y" if somebody tried. Then the other boxers said i should try to take him down we both agreed. I took him down over and over and over with ease. Id throw a jab for his guard to go up then go for the single. Id throw a 1-2 then go in for the body lock. He had 0 answers.
Then everybody clapped
He probably wished for a boxing match
Joe “Rockin Belly Rings” Rogan
I would still say wrestlers would beat boxers in MMA. The guys at the top of the mma game right now like Cormier, Cejudo, Askren, Woodley all have wrestling backgrounds.
Khabib
ROKMC Rec. this nigga really didnt mention khabib
@@Pskinn how could i forget
@Mike Dave GSP is a striker... Karate and Muay Thai
How many mma fighters have a boxing background to the same degree as those you listed with wrestling? Im guessing you could count it all in one hand. That’s what’s so skewed about it. I’m willing to bet things would be different if the roles were switched.
I do boxing and I'm pretty sure boxers can't throw spinning backfists is either because you cant purposally turn your back to them and also you have to hit them with a certain part of your fist which a spinning backfist probably wouldnt
There are so many UFC fighters that use boxing. Literally there are so many clips of Rogan saying Nate and Nick are some of the best boxers in the UFC. If you watch the most recent Max Holloway and Kalvin Katar fight you see max using excellent boxing and even working the body with the punches very well. He even screamed at the commentator team that he is the best boxer in the UFC. Boxing is very useful in MMA. Obviously it will be a bit different than in a boxing ring cuz there are so many other styles and factors but still very useful especially against another striker
I was watching this video on my tv and my brother walked in my room when they were deciding which dude looked better and he looked at me with that weird look 👀 and walked out asap😂😂😂😂
Joe "look at that beautiful man" Rogan
Joe I’m a little confused. There was a show you did with Eddie bravo and you were both saying boxing will beat any black belt striker hands down. Was that just in a street fight you were referring to? So there’s that much of a significant difference between a tournament/cage match vs street fighting ????
Israel Adesanya proves her point. A world class kickboxer, taught take down defense and is steamrolling through MMA. You get a great boxer or kickboxer and teach them wrestling for a few years and you will see someone with a huge edge.
Israel is a dude...
@OG BamBam GO im sure she would agree that the striking in kickboxing is still so far advanced compared to usual mma fighters. its just a different level of finesse. Boxing/ Kickboxing, both have huge advantage
No takedown defence can stop someone like Cain, or Khabib. Look what happened to JDS and Conor.
Gokan Saki was demolished by a mediocre mma fighter. Anything can happen in mma, no matter how great you are in the stand-up department.
You added the fact that they need to learn how to wrestle when she clearly (and incorrectly) said that you just need good footwork and a jab
Spinning backfist is devastating, major weakness to any spinning move is you only have to touch the outside shoulder to stop any spinning move dead you are now behind in perfect position to choke out. We had a local guy from my home town who used spinning backfist as trademark but he launched it very tight and close in while most use it to cover distance. The Crawf was able to knock out first round many times until he was known for this move. My favourite move but you have to be careful about how to sneak it in as any spinning move can be exploited.
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Joe "no homo" Rogan.
It's not just which is better but also which they train for. If a boxer trained against a striker, and a striker trained against a boxer it'd be more fair
MASATO is def one of the GOATS. such crisp boxing and strong knees and kicks. great fight iq.
It's crazy how so many hot chicks are becoming MMA fighters lol
When you’re a woman, have no education or skills, and don’t want to sell your genitalia, fighting is not a bad choice.
Less disgusting than having an onlyfans of any of that crap
@@Ghidorah96 i’ve never heard more wise words lol
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Boxing is special out of all the striking styles boxing the hand speed and fast feet
Joe "I Have Storage Units in My Brain" Rogan
The striking in UFC is generally very poor, just look at Aldo's approach and tactics against McGregor, very poor
Are you implying that Mcgregor is a good striker with good tactics? There are teenage boxers in the US with better boxing than Mcgregor; he’s not some top level striker. His striking is only good for an MMA fighter, and that’s it
@@karangtavana1283 you obviously can’t read
@@karangtavana1283 "He's not some top level striker" yeah ok keep believing that. The reality is Mcgregor would not be who he is if he didn't have a mastery of boxing fundamentals. Don't overlook someone's talents just to confirm your beliefs.
@@karangtavana1283 well yeah he’s an mma fighter...his striking isn’t solely boxing. same reason boxers have to learn kicks in mma along with everything else. boxing is good for boxing but you need more in mma. i am in no way saying boxing is useless in mma it’s a big part. but boxing is only a fraction of what is used in mma
@@karangtavana1283 I don’t really like Mcgreggor but in my opinion he has good tactics. Mcgreggor does a lot of striking and counter strikes, I feel like mcgreggor could stand a chance with a boxer in the ring other than Mayweather.
Who is She .... she's gorgeous
Christopher Foote why has no one answered this question in one year
Jesus Christ im trying to find out who she is too lol.... Mixed girls are fine as hell
Miriam Nakamoto. The full video is in the description.
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I love this girl, love watching her fights
Her name please
Good footwork isn’t enough to stop a takedown, you’d need to be pretty proficient at takedown defence and have trained with takedowns in the equation.
That being said, you could also say that many elite mma fighters should learn how to throw punches more effectively without putting themselves in a vulnerable place
A great jab... I’ve heard so many boxers say you can stop a takedown with a good jab. It’s fucking ridiculous. Imagine a boxer with no take down defense trying to stop a takedown with a jab and footwork in a cage against Khabib. Jabs are effective to keep distance but it’s coming from boxers who get split up every time they start hugging in the ring. There’s no breaks like that in mma. If a jab an footwork worked no one would learn how to sprawl 🤦🏽♂️
Imagine a world class ufc fighter with a high level of grappling prowess trying to stop Khabib’s takedown period…still hard af. Lol bad comparison 😂
Joe "I love men's bodies" Rogan. beautiful. beautiful.
I dont care what anyone says Joe knows his shit. That back spinning kick his got is enough to hurt anyone bad or really throw his back out.
A boxer would need great footwork and every punch in his arsenal on point. Needs to be ready to move back and throw that cross upper at all times.
I dont know about that ... I think the mma fighter would ultimately win.. simply because he has so much more at his disposal, esp. the leg kicks. I will say one thing though, that mma fighter better not let that boxer get inside and connect cuz he's going down....
Boxers get paid to do one thing,
Throw punches and nobody does it better...
Clinch, game over.
I somewhat agree. I mean if a boxer can get in close he still has to deal with elbows and clinch work.
Once a boxer knows how to wrestle they become dangerous.
Boxing is the most important adpect of fighting
@Ivan Ringle What I mean about my comment is once a boxer is able to defend takedowns or get skills in the grappling area, they mostly dictate where the fight will take place (dependingif they are the better wrestlerin that fight). And once its in the stand up realm they have a better chance say than a kickboxer based on how both martial arts defend. In kboxing (or more muay thai...I think) they rather block than get out the way, while boxing has slips etc. Also muay thai/kickboxing (except for dutch style) has a really slow start and is not known for pressuring opponents. Boxers also have strong legs so checking kicks is another skill they can pick up easier than wrestling.
MMA is more crazy and intense but boxing is more aesthetically pleasing
My dream would be to see Jack Dempsey in an MMA fight. Street fighter before professional boxer....he is the most violent boxer I've ever seen....Tyson wanted to be him.
Does Jaime run this channel? EDIT: Idk if it’s spelled Jamie or not lol
@@123mcgarrigle Relax
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J-Me
j00 We all know you only mouth off on the internet because you can't fight in real life. You should delete your comment before your parents see it, little one
j00 I'm sure you'd love that, but I'm not into little boys that way
Joe caves instantly. "Yeah a boxer could win an MMA, unless he's really long".
Kermit Cintron would run through 145 in MMA. Boxers cut weight better than anyone. Strike better than anyone. And if they have a wrestling background it's over for MMA.
It wouldn't be that eazy lmfao he would need alot of training
Wtf boxers do not cut weight better than anyone?? They cut only a few pounds generally. This kings of cutting weight are wrestlers and mma fighters. Tf are you talking about?
There’s a reason gsp jab destroyed the welterweights for a brief period by then Freddie roach said gsp was really adapting boxing and I think if mma fighters take the time to learn the jab they cud be much more effective
Joe "do you remember" Rogan
Joe handles situations so well, I would of been like no boxer ever can keep it standing with a experienced grappler
@f3mcell he’s talking about when your fighting in the cage, plus not to mention alot of grapplers know how to take people down without going down with them
Imagine trying to takedown a Mike Tyson
a high school wrestler of only 1 year could take down even a prime Mike Tyson
@@RareBreedOfCabbage moron
@@RareBreedOfCabbage not even godzilla could take down prime iron mike
@@RareBreedOfCabbage 🧢🧢🧢
Dominick Cruz is pretty much a boxer that trained how to not get kicked in the legs.
Joe "I train and commentate so I'm an mma vet" Rogan
5:31 JRE in a Nutshell
A perfect boxer would still not know how to deal with kicks
Thing is is boxing undoubtedly helps, and fighters in mma who primarily use boxing can still have great success (Calvin Kattar and Max Holloway for example). But you need to have the takedown defense and have trained against people who are allowed to kick you to stand a chance. You gotta at least know how to make your punches work. That being said, boxing for mma isn’t the same as boxing for boxing. The Dempsey roll comes to mind.
The Scorpion Death Drop will equalize all MMA or anything else
When a boxer faces a wrestler it depends on the individual fighting each other a jab and footwork can beat some wrestlers but some wrestlers could deal with the jab easily
very true, like Khabib he would take out most boxers
@@guts7958 keep dreaming
MMA is purely a clean street fight that involves technique and because it is like a street fight it won’t be easy surviving the cage just staying pure to one art which is why you have to be pretty much a jack of all trades. Boxing is great but MMA is reality when it comes to Martial Arts in a full hand to hand combat fight
You're wrong. Boxing is a sport. Mma is a sport.
Mma is not real combat.
As the old UFC slogan used to read, the UFC is, "As real as it gets."
If you were allowed to kick and knee downed opponents, do you think BJJ guys would do well when they pull guard?
If 10-6 elbows were allowed in UFC, do you think people would shoot for takedowns and risk being killed or paralyzed from elbows to the back of the head, neck, and spine?
I love the sport of mma, but you fanboys are delusional.
Joe “calling another man beautiful eventhough he’s straight” rogan
I wana hear Joe Rogans opion on Jone Jones vs Mike Tyson
Miriam Nakamoto, yes she ist cute.
name of the girl: Miriam Nakamoto
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“Yah but if you fight John Jones” like that’s an actual argument Jon beats everyone
Leo Holland he said long like Jon Jones 😂Jon Jones has one of the longest reaches in the ufc
Damen Crouse adysenya aswell
Doesn’t really matter tho, because a boxer in an MMA fight loses 99% of the time unless he’s fighting some chump mma fighter with no experience
@@shevb or if they're fighting someone much smaller
@@shevb unless he learns how to defend against kicks, knees, elbows, takedowns and submissions. Then he might do well
Masato is actually the most handsome fighter that ever graced the earth lol
I don't necessarily agree with Joe on the 1st point he made about about Jon Jones.
A boxer who has great defense and who can avoid a hand coming straight at them down the pipe will have a great chance of seeing a kick coming especially as kicks are more likely to be telegraphed.
I agree though that if you eat a few it's considerably going to slow you down and someone with a good ground game gets you on the floor then it's night night time.
But in the end, I'd say that as straight up amateurs if a very average level MMA fighter fought a boxer if the same average skill set then I believe the MMA fighter has a greater chance unless the boxer utilises his greatest friend, the jab to keep him far away enough that he can't land a punch but close enough that he can't get a decent kick
Boxers wouldn’t be able to see kick coming from a guy like Jones because they wouldn’t know how to read it. Boxers are used to watching your upper body. You really think they’ll be able to quickly see a leg kick coming or a headkick?!
@@itsyourboy7150
A fighter cannot allow his eyes to wander at all. A boxer or any fighter finds a place to concentrate and that way reads the full body. As a boxer I am always trying to work out where my opponent is putting his feet to read his possible intentions so yes we do know how to read feet.
I have been training since I was 4 in both boxing and karate and also sparred very much with mauy Thai boxers to practice my movement and for them to get used to high punching rate pressure. I have also trained a lot at my friends MMA gym and although I'm no MMa fighter my knowledge of kicks and handwork especially combined is very high.
@@woden_the_wanderer but that’s the thing. You have that experience. When you have no experience but boxing it’s gonna be very hard for a regular boxer to be able to read and time a leg kick or a calf kick that’s incoming. Maybe even a body or a head. They’re not used to looking for things like that. Put a boxer with a guy that can leg kick the shit out of you and it’s game over son
@@woden_the_wanderer blocking or checking a kick isnt that simple. You dont know if that kick is gonna be to the calf thigh body or head. You NEED kickboxing or muay thai experience theres no other way around it if you are a pure boxer. Saying otherwise is quite disrespectful to the sport of mma
Joe "Gorgeous Gorgeous Man" Rogan.
I'll take boxing and basic wrestling over bjj EVERY day of the week.
why
Muay Thai and bjj is where it’s at. But nice try tho
Carlos Roja
Carlos Newton said the same thing and he was a UFC CHAMP. 👍😉
@@carlosthekaratekid6632 Muay thai depending on who is teaching it is sometimes too upright and "stiff" for MMA, lacking head movement and also sometimes their hands arent the most crisp. Again, it depends whos teaching it though, its usually the more traditional places (particularly in Thailand itself) that has those shortcomings. The western MT places often adapt more.
As for BJJ, the lack of gi, lack of rashguard and addition of striking changes the ground game so much. Its hard to maintain a grip especially as the fight goes on and people sweat, its also a lot more dangerous to give up position in search of some fancy sub attempt. Top control is a lot more important and you need to keep things basic, high percentage and risk free -stuff like Americanas from side control or simply getting in their guard, posturing up and raining the hammers down.
@@carlosthekaratekid6632 than its mma
I myself am mostly a boxer that used to talk down about BJJ and stuff like that, but then I watched one of Joe Rogan's podcast clips about "boxing vs mma" or One about "BJJ" and one of the other guys in the podcast said people prefer the "dumb" way of fighting(I.E Punching it out), instead of the "smart way" with mma and BJJ. After that and I wee bit more research on BJJ and mma and I realized finally why I talked down about mma, it wasn't because of hating, heck no, I love Karate, kickboxing, offensive MA. I think like "if you can't beat someone with your own strength then you're a p*$$y" and that equated to me thinking punching and kicking only, and that grappling and pinning and all that was a p*$$y thing to do. Now It was as the guy in the podcast said, "people prefer the dumb way of fighting" which was how I preferred fighting. Smart, but not the smartest or quickest way of it. Now I have more respect for BJJ & grappling (wrestling sucks tho). Now I might be doing a BJJ class in the near future. Thank you Joe Rogan and TH-cam.
Following, ik "mma" is Mixed Martial Arts" so don't think I'm dumb for saying "mma or BJJ". I meant bcuz sometime all people do/know is bjj.
Striking in kickboxing and boxing need to be adapted for mma. The distance is different and you cant just high guard to block punches to the head
No Miriam. Footwork and a jab are not going to stop takedowns. Takedown defense helps with takedowns. James Toney found out the hard way.
Not every mma fighter does takedowns. A boxer may win against a low tier McGregor type mixed martial artist
habibbi alikafe lmao you’re a fucking idiot !!! Conors wrestling still beats any boxer in the same weight class plus his submission . HES A BROWN BELT
@@rades920 No
godbro who beats him then dumbass
Did James tooney use foot work and a jab did he? Not a very good example
A great jab is underrated! Especially if big guys use it well. Imagine Brock, trying to take down Larry Holmes. No way! He would get jabbed, 600 times!
Michael Garcia Brock could take him down at will 😂
Michael Garcia a better example would be Muhammad Ali with his footwork and jab
Yep and Foreman's jab would KO brock lol
Holmes dead
They don’t do spinning backfists because a boxer only has to worry about punches and not kicks. So all the boxer has to do his raise his guard.
Theres also the small fact that spinning backfists are illegal in boxing...
Spinning backhands alone against a boxer dont work too well, trust me, had a 3 minute match against a bigger guy than me wearing only bag mitts and he was trying spinning backhands, by the time he had spun around id already hit him 2 or 3 times, including in the back of the head which is rather dangerous, he was a bleeding mess by the end, guess it depends on the skill level though.
Why can’t they do a spinning back fist in boxing because it would never work Lmao
Lomochenko
I would love to him compete in mma
When he was young, Antonio Inoki was the sexiest Japanese man. He looked like a Japanese George Clooney.
Edit: i had to add this. I remember when Frans Botha knocked out Jerome Le Banner in K-1, i was fucking speechless. I thought for sure the Le Banner was going to crush him
This gal is delirious 😂😂🤣
She doesn't know ANYBODY...
I mean tbh it’s not that unbelievable just for an example Uriah Hall on TUF didn’t even know the difference in the types of kicks. He referred to a crescent kick as a front kick
Boxers would lose in mma due to grappling they already proved this in ufc 1 with gracie .
Jason Donoe what about when Ray Mercer a former professional boxer and Olympic gold medalist boxer knocked out Tim Sylvia? Remember when Mercer knocked him out and Sylvia was a former UFC heavyweight champion
Mike Dave That’s true. I’m not denying that. However, it’s been proven that a boxer can knockout an MMA fighter
FAT cat I never used “buts”
Honestly, not a fair example. I mean, the dude only used one glove, so he basically had no weapons of use lol
Don’t forget about James toney getting mauled by randy couture
now HD by the way
The only chance you have at stopping a takedown with no wrestling experiencing is just being strong as fuck Rampage Jackson style.
This chick is cool af. Cute and sexy at the same time.
Patrick Oneal how is she cute? sure she is sexy and mature but i wouldnt call her CUTE
draculateeth I like her bone structure.
@@PvtKubaa How is she cute? Because the guy thinks she's cute. How else are you supposed to answer that?
If she lost like 20 pounds she would be way hottter
If you want to date her you have to ko her first thats what she said
Boxing footwork will do absolutely nothing for you in an actual fight with an mma fighter 😂. As a boxer who transitioned into bjj and muay thai I realized footwork in boxing only works in boxing. If you get an mma fighter coming at you with a takedown, your footwork and Jab won't do shit to stop him
In an actual fight, you don’t necessarily have to be in a cage/ring. So if you attempt to take down a boxer in….let’s say a parking lot, they’re going to fuck you up with accurate, precise strikes. It’s easier to land a punch than a kick. They will simply retreat and pick their shots. Possibly even knock you out. But to your defense, wrestling and boxing are the oldest forms of martial arts so I’m pretty sure wrestling has its benefits as well.
@@0Yunggunna disagree, boxers are not used to takedowns and a person who does jot know how to defend against a submission is going to lose badly. The kickboxer can keep the distance as the low kicks are going to chop them up. Boxers are not used to kicks or takedown’s. On the other hand an mma fighter that knows bjj will eat a few punches but they will easily control the boxers body. A boxer vs an mma fighter will get either strangled or knocked out with a kick.
@@javierdeleon8630 false, Ray Mercer knocked out Tim Sylvia (in an octagon) at that
A perfect example is the fight between Mayweather and the Japanese youngster who got stuffed up and against McGregor.
I bet neither of these fights would have happened if either had insisted on being able to kick Mayweather in the head..
Just as Mayweather humiliated the youngster I'm pretty sure the youngster would have done the reverse had he been allowed to do his thing.
I think It would be more exciting if they would be able to spinning back fist Superman punch and also hammer fist as long as it it only with your hands wouldn’t it still be considered boxing
Those are all goofy.
Who is that?
Joe Rogan. duh
she's unreal
In boxing, If done properly there is no time to do a spinning back fist. That means turning your back to your opponent, to me that could be where the fight ends. Yes it could go the other way but I would not face my back to my opponent even for a millisecond.
She described the monster naoya inoue hes a beast!
Mike Tyson would have walked through the MMA, UFC, or any of the other pit or cage fighting circuits without breaking a sweat. Also Mayweather versus O'Connor was the biggest joke I've ever seen and signifyd the fall of boxing to me.
Don't u love the "woulda, and coulda" lol.
Tyson would get submitted lol.
@@iamthelizardking6239 I call bullshit. You better come up with references you expect people to believe that kind of nonsense. If I can't look it up I damn sure don't believe no TH-camr
@@jasonhobb4520 I wouldn't doubt that a gracie said that Tyson said it. But doubt Tyson actually said it
@@iamthelizardking6239 so u didn't read it? It clearly said Tyson didn't respond
For all the casual MMA fans out there, who think they like MMA because its like a street fight, forget it! You've never been in real street fights then, MMA doesnt directly translate to a street fight, real self defense is where its at.
Kickboxing is the most dynamic and action packed combat sport in terms of stand up competition, yes, a level above MMA.
It sure help an mma fighter to know some boxing fundamentals. It’s not enough for an mma fight but some fighter made career out of good boxing like Poirier.
I was in a MMA team but then I've read a comment of a very wise anon. He said that MMA literally has dropouts from boxing, that were to weak to have a career in boxing. And that's literally true. Because best money is in boxing, not MMA. So - I still wait for a real boxing champion to try his luck in octagon.