I have been running your 62/67 HE351 in my 99 vp truck. I fabricated my own charge pipe and drain tube and opted for a hood stack. Absolutely love how it spools. It will make 50 pounds of boost before 2000 rpm which makes it amazing for towing a fully loaded horse trailer.
Awesome video. I like how guy's look and compare all of the numbers. A video suggestion I have is for you guy's to try and match the spool up time of the stock turbo by adding things like a velocity stack, turbo blanket, ect.... Keep up the great work guy's an God Bless.
You guys should try a stock he351 turbine shoot out. I’ve seen an eBay D5 turbine 5+5 they shortened 5 turbine blades, kinda interesting and light weight. Put it against the stock 12 blade and 10 blade??
Loving these videos as it helps figure out what to take care if before I have you do some custom tuning to dial it in. Currently my running a 67/67 smarty sr and. Valair dual disc clutch. I need to know what injectors would pair best to a 10 mm pump with a goal of 650 on the streets in a manual trans
Love watching videos where you guys nerd out on turbos! I build a s300-he351 hybrid (s300 super core with custom machined he9cm to fit) that would be pretty interesting to see how it stacks up, best of both worlds maybe? ;)
I agree that the 60 and 62 making the same power and boost, with different drive pressure is odd. Usually drive and boost would both go up to see same power. Or same boost, more drive and less power. All I've got is the 60 is taking more drive to process a little more air than the 62, but at the same boost. Possibly the outlet temp is higher with the 60 which is dropping read boost? Seems odd. Higher EGT driving the 60 a little harder, but garbage air?
I am preparing to dyno test my 5.9 Cummins that I run in my pulling tractor. In the past we have done this by starting the test at 3000 RPM and loading the engine until the RPM reaches 2000 RPM. Have you tried this approach? What are your thoughts?
I have been looking at a 60 64 from you guys for the past year for my vp truck. I have a bunch of breathing mods including studs, springs, pushrods, lightly ported head, steedspeed, 4" exhaust, S&B intake and inlet horn and an 0n3 intercooler. But looking at this im wondering now if I should try the 62 67. My fuel mods are nothing crazy, I just want a little more boost good driveability, and ability to tow anything. Fuel mods are 100 horse injectors and just an edge EZ with a raptor 100 and a cat fuel filter. I recently got a pan off upgrade from you guys for my 47re. Im NOT looking for 500 hp, just a good towing and driving turbo. Also would more drive and same boost and power just come down to iat? Because it would have to work harder but it could overcome with more air but the air would be more heated and less dense? Or does that factor in at all?
Was the borg sxe 362 run with a divided housing and divided manifold or were they mismatched? Would that change the results of this test significantly?
The bearings create more resistance at higher RPMs. The bearings in the 67s are likely the same. The stock one apparently has smoother bearings than the 60-67. The Borg has the best bearings. Also, air resistance is a factor, so a blade going faster creates more resistance the faster it goes. BOTH of those factors play into the nutso drive pressure on the 60-67.
I would like to know the exhaust side specs of the SXE. I wasn't able to find it in another video where it was included in a comparison as well. It would also be good to see a comparison of turbos with the same compressor side and different turbine specs, for example the 62/65 vs 62/67, or the SXE 62 with the 68 or 73 mm turbine. And how compounding effects turbine choice. If one turbine does the best as a single charger does the same turbine do the best in compounds?
When you guys did the double the horsepower of your common rail 5.9 I believe both the stock runs and max effort runs before modifying the truck made less power. Any idea why this was the case?
What about running any of these 3 with your s472 add a turbo kit? Ive been running the kit since February, and I'm still battling issue's with it. Trucks just not happy, building tons of heat, etc. Looking at changing out the 351 for something.
I have a 362SX-E with a 1.0A/R nonwastegated housing over a 476SX-E 1.58A/R thats pretty lazy under 1800rpms, and plan to buy the Savage Fab HE351 machined housing for the 362, hoping to pick up some response down low as I have a 2004.5 6 speed, and lose all my wheel momentum over and over again shifting. I also have a 362SX-E single with the non wastegated .83A/R 14cm* on an auto 2nd gen that also spools pretty slow. I didn't hear the turbine housing specs for the 362SX-E, but most of what im finding online from Borg Warner is far bigger that HE351 specs. If thats what you used, i would be more interested in a comparison with a closer sized housing to see if I gain anything from a $600 housing swap.
True the Borg housing is bigger. The housing used on this turbo was a divided .70 housing which is like a 12cm housing. The he351 has a much tighter 9cm housing but is undivided.
When talking at 18:00 the answer probably has to do with compressor efficiency. Boost alone is not a great way of getting the whole picture, you know compressor maps and how to read them. My guess is the compressor outlet temp would probably tell you it's in a happier/better efficiency island. Also running a properly calibrated MAF sensor on the inlet side of all these tests would actually show you which is moving more air and thus the potential for making more HP.
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it would be great to see the same video for a drop in on a 6.7 or a comparison to a 2nd gen swap and turbo size comparison on stock fuel
Will have some drop in 6.7 testing in the near future.
Awesome comparison! I just installed my aggressor 62/65 from yall on my 5.9 VP truck... loving it so far!
I have been running your 62/67 HE351 in my 99 vp truck. I fabricated my own charge pipe and drain tube and opted for a hood stack. Absolutely love how it spools. It will make 50 pounds of boost before 2000 rpm which makes it amazing for towing a fully loaded horse trailer.
Wanted a video like this for so long. Thank you guys!!
Glad you enjoyed it, we had fun doing it!
Great Video Guys! Love Seeing what an s300 can do!
i like this series. I have a 05 that i plan on building. this helps with some decision making! Thanks!!
We’re glad it can help with your build!
The 62 slows the turbine wheel versus the 60, the slower the turbine wheel the better it flows so drive pressure goes down with the bigger compressor.
Love these videos …keep them coming 🙏🏼
Glad you liked it! More coming soon!
Thank yo for the election distraction.
Awesome video. I like how guy's look and compare all of the numbers.
A video suggestion I have is for you guy's to try and match the spool up time of the stock turbo by adding things like a velocity stack, turbo blanket, ect....
Keep up the great work guy's an God Bless.
This is awesome. I want to upgrade fuel next. Will certainly be waiting for the next video. My truck is a 2006, with one of your transmissions.
We have some cool fuel stuff coming up soon, stay tuned!
AWESOME video!!!!!! Love all the numbers!! Keep it up!
Glad you enjoyed the data!
You guys should try a stock he351 turbine shoot out. I’ve seen an eBay D5 turbine 5+5 they shortened 5 turbine blades, kinda interesting and light weight. Put it against the stock 12 blade and 10 blade??
I was looking at that one too, very curious to see results on it
Awesome info!
I love the 60/67s on my 12 valves. I wonder how a 62/67 would work.
The 67/67 was too big and hot.
The 62/67 is a good option! A lot of guys are running those and like them. Not a huge difference but the change would be noticeable.
Love these videos!
Glad you enjoyed it, we had fun making it!
Loving these videos as it helps figure out what to take care if before I have you do some custom tuning to dial it in. Currently my running a 67/67 smarty sr and. Valair dual disc clutch. I need to know what injectors would pair best to a 10 mm pump with a goal of 650 on the streets in a manual trans
Love watching videos where you guys nerd out on turbos! I build a s300-he351 hybrid (s300 super core with custom machined he9cm to fit) that would be pretty interesting to see how it stacks up, best of both worlds maybe? ;)
I agree that the 60 and 62 making the same power and boost, with different drive pressure is odd. Usually drive and boost would both go up to see same power. Or same boost, more drive and less power.
All I've got is the 60 is taking more drive to process a little more air than the 62, but at the same boost. Possibly the outlet temp is higher with the 60 which is dropping read boost?
Seems odd. Higher EGT driving the 60 a little harder, but garbage air?
I am preparing to dyno test my 5.9 Cummins that I run in my pulling tractor. In the past we have done this by starting the test at 3000 RPM and loading the engine until the RPM reaches 2000 RPM. Have you tried this approach? What are your thoughts?
I know a lot of engine Dyno’s do that type of loading. I’ve never tried it on our chassis dyno. Might be fun to attempt it!
I have been looking at a 60 64 from you guys for the past year for my vp truck. I have a bunch of breathing mods including studs, springs, pushrods, lightly ported head, steedspeed, 4" exhaust, S&B intake and inlet horn and an 0n3 intercooler. But looking at this im wondering now if I should try the 62 67. My fuel mods are nothing crazy, I just want a little more boost good driveability, and ability to tow anything. Fuel mods are 100 horse injectors and just an edge EZ with a raptor 100 and a cat fuel filter. I recently got a pan off upgrade from you guys for my 47re. Im NOT looking for 500 hp, just a good towing and driving turbo.
Also would more drive and same boost and power just come down to iat? Because it would have to work harder but it could overcome with more air but the air would be more heated and less dense? Or does that factor in at all?
Was the borg sxe 362 run with a divided housing and divided manifold or were they mismatched? Would that change the results of this test significantly?
The bearings create more resistance at higher RPMs. The bearings in the 67s are likely the same. The stock one apparently has smoother bearings than the 60-67. The Borg has the best bearings. Also, air resistance is a factor, so a blade going faster creates more resistance the faster it goes. BOTH of those factors play into the nutso drive pressure on the 60-67.
I would like to know the exhaust side specs of the SXE. I wasn't able to find it in another video where it was included in a comparison as well. It would also be good to see a comparison of turbos with the same compressor side and different turbine specs, for example the 62/65 vs 62/67, or the SXE 62 with the 68 or 73 mm turbine. And how compounding effects turbine choice. If one turbine does the best as a single charger does the same turbine do the best in compounds?
All good points! A lot of testing to do! As far as this turbo it was the 68mm turbine in a .70 divided housing
When you guys did the double the horsepower of your common rail 5.9 I believe both the stock runs and max effort runs before modifying the truck made less power. Any idea why this was the case?
Not sure, different trucks maybe? On the modded runs our tuning is better now. Always learning!
Can you guys do some testing with the new SX-R series Borgs?
I do want to play with some of those!
@pddofficial I figured you guys would have been the first
I still wanna see you guys do a s369sxe vs a gt45 cause with and without a tune cause those turbos are close in size just a suggestion
I would love to see how the drop in non vgts compare to t4 kits on a 6.0 or even drop in non vgt vs vgt
So i can buy a tune for my stock 04 ram 5.9 and make more hp without injectors, ect....?
Yes sir! Truck will be night and day different!
Yes
Yes, I did it with my o5.. huge difference way better fuel economy and big h.p.
What about running any of these 3 with your s472 add a turbo kit? Ive been running the kit since February, and I'm still battling issue's with it. Trucks just not happy, building tons of heat, etc. Looking at changing out the 351 for something.
They all would work well. I would stick with the he351 variants though with a 472. Keep that quick spool!
@pddofficial do the 351 variants already have the wastegate bored/ported?
Yes we oversized the waste gate port on these turbos.
Possible to make a 6.0 powerstroke turbo shootout? There’s soooo many vgt options, can even make a separate episode for non vgt people
It’s coming!
I have a 362SX-E with a 1.0A/R nonwastegated housing over a 476SX-E 1.58A/R thats pretty lazy under 1800rpms, and plan to buy the Savage Fab HE351 machined housing for the 362, hoping to pick up some response down low as I have a 2004.5 6 speed, and lose all my wheel momentum over and over again shifting. I also have a 362SX-E single with the non wastegated .83A/R 14cm* on an auto 2nd gen that also spools pretty slow. I didn't hear the turbine housing specs for the 362SX-E, but most of what im finding online from Borg Warner is far bigger that HE351 specs. If thats what you used, i would be more interested in a comparison with a closer sized housing to see if I gain anything from a $600 housing swap.
True the Borg housing is bigger. The housing used on this turbo was a divided .70 housing which is like a 12cm housing. The he351 has a much tighter 9cm housing but is undivided.
When talking at 18:00 the answer probably has to do with compressor efficiency. Boost alone is not a great way of getting the whole picture, you know compressor maps and how to read them. My guess is the compressor outlet temp would probably tell you it's in a happier/better efficiency island. Also running a properly calibrated MAF sensor on the inlet side of all these tests would actually show you which is moving more air and thus the potential for making more HP.
Great thoughts! Compressor outlet temps would be very fun to see! We really should make some kind of maf setup for the dyno
I'd like to see the 60/64 vs the 60/67 in a 12v.
It’s coming!
Would like to see how see how the s362 responds to a divided exhaust manifold.
Excellent point! I’m sure the results would improve.
What would you recommend for a stock 1999 2nd gen manual turbo upgrade
I would like either the k27 or the aggressor 60/64 if you want a little more power in the future. Both will drive and tow great
@@pddofficial ok thank ya
Now show us good tubos to add to our stock turbo for a compound set up
Have you seen our add a turbo kit for this truck? They are pretty sweet
@@jimschaffroth5652 they are very nice I love mine
Turbskis and a Trump win. Gonna be a good night!
What would you recommend for a 1st gen 1993 turbo upgrade
Get there 60/64 I think it would be awesome in a first gen
Agreed!
@@Two-twelve-valves appreciate it 👌🎯
Hell yeah turbos and trump
I was expecting to see the dyno runs 😢 guess that ain't happening lol
I'm actually glad they didn't show every dyno run. They all look the same, I want to see the numbers.
Always like your video and as a die hard diesel lover hopefully the leftist will not take this away from us.
Now that trump is back in, maybe i can start buying parts again soon 😂😂
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