i like how you use the victim's name instead of the killers name in the title, people usually only remember the killers in true crime stuff so its just nice to see that you see the victim themselves.
I mean it’s good but the problem is she prefaces it’s with a title implying the victim is the killer. “Kids who Kill Kids: The Case of Alyssa Bustamante” is what the title should be if she’s going to have that “kids who kill kids” part. She can’t have it both ways. “Kids Killed by Kids: The Case of Elizabeth Olten” is what it should be to properly convey that Elizabeth was the victim not the killer to someone unfamiliar with Hailey.
@@aromaladyellie yeah, the title was kinda poorly worded. That’s why I was confused when she said Elizabeth was the victim because I thought she was the killer from the title.
my heart broke when the family said she was a princess and deserved to be treated as such.. my heart goes out to the family. no child deserved to go the way she did
I also want to say I’m extremely proud of the grandma for not trying to cover up or defend Alyssa. Saying Alyssa should be allowed out of prison the day Elizabeth is out of her grave is kind of refreshing to hear. You wouldn’t believe how many people will know about the crimes their kids/grand kids commit and try to cover them up just because it’s family… I personally feel since Alyssa took a life she should be given life in prison. I definitely don’t like the idea she’s allowed to roam free in 2 years in the state that I am in. I don’t want to bump into her 😤😭😡
i thought that was elizabeth's grandma, but for real. good on people who do not excuse her actions hope that alyssa rots in there, and so do those who glorify her
@@user-ep3fo5vw1v hailey did mix up alyssa and elizabeth’s names several times during the video though (like 43:09 she does it 3 times in a row), and since elizabeth’s grandma had never been mentioned up to that point but alyssa’s had, it’s likely she meant alyssa’s grandma, not elizabeth’s.
There are two kinds of people who have gone through trauma. "I don't want anyone else to ever experience what I did" and "I want everyone to experience what I did"
sometimes people think the first and sometimes people think the second. it depends on the situation, like if someone says “it wasn’t as bad as … ” then they would want everyone to experience the same thing they did
Honestly this case was so upsetting all around, it sucks that Alyssa had to grow up like that but she shouldn’t have turned out to be what she is. It’s completely fucked that parents will birth kids knowing they can’t take care of them.
Sometimes hurt people hurt other people. Trauma doesn't make you a good person, healing does. If you can't heal, that can lead to violence, either to yourself or to others. Untreated PTSD fvcks you up. That's why I feel sympathy for some horrible people's circumstances, and get why they do the things they do. It's not an excuse, but it's a reason. It's a morbid interest of mine, I guess.
this is honestly just sickening. the fact that a teenage girl can kill a child and then gush about it in her diary; just gross. the interview is even worse, when she confesses her grandmother is in the room and it’s just heartbreaking.
It literally scares me that someone like that could be walking around free in less that 2 years. It truly scares me that she has a FAN club. How could someone support a person like that?!? I truly feel horrible for Elizabeth’s family because every time she appeals they have to relive that tragedy and in two years they have to relive it. It’s like a bad dream repeating itself.
After researching more about the case I found out that due to her additional conviction of armed criminal action, even if she is granted conditional release in 2024, she will have a consecutive sentence of 30 years in prison. This makes her earliest probable release in 2054, when she will be 60 years old
Alyssa showed so many signs… she was practically a walking red flag. If Alyssa had been given the psychiatric care she needed regularly I feel like this wouldn’t have happened. It’s no excuse but it is an explanation.
psych wards are horrible and only make the situation so much worse, psychologists and psychiatrists make people lives change for the better and help change the way people think for the better, hospitals can help a lot and living with people that aren't abusive REALLY helps x
I'm glad you spoke up about how problematic the idolization of murderers is. Especially lately with the Jeffrey Dahmer series, people everywhere are popping up, simping for these horrible people. I was kinda nervous, thinking like "goddamn I hope Hailey ain't like those people", and I'm glad you're not.
I'm actually good friends with Elizabeth's brother Anthony. St. Martains is still in the Jefferson City school districts, along with a few surrounding small towns. That girl was such a sweetheart. Alyssa was also batshit crazy. Everyone in that area knew it. She actually used to babysit a friend of mine and one time she locked her in her toy box. Hell no.
You're absolutely right, it's so disgusting that there are people glamorizing the killers but forgetting the victims. I am so glad you're out there telling the victims stories and making sure they are remembered, and you do an amazing job at it! Thank you so much for this!
Naw I’m going to hope that your a troll cause I’ve seen you reply to MULTIPLE comments that are clearly in the right, but before you reply saying “ I’m not a troll “ Or “ I’m being fr “, you sure do sound like a troll through out this comment section 😦🤚
@AverageWomanFan i live in MI. this case happened in MO. you cant even abbreviate the state correctly. either way, glad i never met her! because as someone with bpd, it disgusts me that she’s glamorized. there are so many mentally ill people, especially with bpd, that still know better than to fucking murder people
even if it was still a no for that day, who's to say Alyssa wouldn't of killed Emma that night or Elizabeth the next day. so I do hope her mother knows it isn't her fault for saying yes
26:44 "It was written in blood" is an emo/metal song from 2008. I believe it's about the death of a friend or a suicide. A lot of the "red flags" she showed, eg. the fake blood she wore, her hand in a gun motion, some writing on the walls, the TH-cam bio, the excessive cutting and carving on her skin was sadly just what the emo culture glorified on the internet. Not excusing what she did of course, just giving some context to the culture she seemed to be a part of and not everything I mentioned above was due to complete mental instability. I was part of that same twitter and tumblr emo culture at her age and have an understanding of it. Again, I'm not saying what she did to others was valid or okay.
i agree i was a big part of it & a huge cutter (still struggle w it at 23) would carve words as well & i would take pics like that & draw pictures that were pretty dark was a huge part of pro-ana/pro-mia tumblr too so it was common for a lot of kids in the scene. _however_ although i’ve been diagnosed with bipolar one & borderline personality disorder as well as ptsd i never had the homocidal ideation or anything and i think all of the signs go hand in hand bc a lot of us that were apart of the emo/scene crowd did (and still do) struggle w mental illness and at the time that was the only music & crowd that truly understood what it was like
Yes I was part of the culture too, it was a suicide song, but I never thought of killing anyone was just mad and kept everything inside and out it onto myself inside. I wouldn't think about doing something so vicious to anyone like that.
Interesting fact, “It was written in blood” is a translation of a poem of a Russian poet Sergei Esenin. And it is about a person having a discussion with it’s inner self/depression
I agree. I think a lot of the things she did and the pictures of herself that she took in those poses went under the radar because it was so common in emo culture.
@@alderfae9898 lol why tf are y’all blaming emo culture? I grew up during this time and didn’t do any of this this shit and I was emo af.Ik everyone’s different but to blame an entire subculture just makes y’all sound old and stupid.
Nurse here: 20 mg of prozac is the standar dose. It might be a bit high for a teen but it’s definitely NOT too much. For bulimia it’s usually given in 60mg so 20 it’s definitely on the low side
Counselor intern and mental health worker (psychiatric field) here and teenagers are typically prescribed 10mg. I understand that the video author said grams and not MILLIGRAMS. 20 grams of Prozac would definitely be way too much though
For someone that ended up being found to have onset bipolar disorder though, Prozac probably wasn’t the best move, antidepressants only treat the depressive cycle and do nothing for the hypomania/mania cycles. Personally I got put on Zoloft and had my dosage increased from 50mg to 100mg at 19 and that triggered my first full blown manic episode. Now being 22 and on 25mg of seroquel and soon to be 25mg of lamictal, pretty much all of my symptoms are completely docile. I have bipolar 1 w/psychotic affects though, no idea what type of bipolar Alissa ended up being Dx’d with but all of the friends I’ve had on Prozac due to misdiagnosis (a lot of us were Dx as MDD and then once on antidepressants had our first manic or hypomanic episodes). I’ve never killed someone due to mania though. I have done a lot of impulsive and reckless shit during mania, but never killed someone. It does affect my anger and irritability quite a bit.
I think it's a big issue that we pretty much only teach kids stranger danger, when it seems more often to be people that these children know and or trust that end up hurting them. I'm not really sure how we could teach them better without basically implementing serious trust issues. But we should do more than just stranger danger, as you said this little girl looked at Alyssa like a big sister and probably would have never thought to be afraid of her.
@@KingOfGaymes maybe to teach children to let their parents know where they are at all times? But that probably wont prevent murders only would help police find them after
I think teaching kids to establish their boundaries and about consent, especially outside of sexual situations, would probably help. If they have a friend who disregards their boundaries and tries to get them to do things they aren't comfortable with, they'll know that person doesn't respect them and doesn't have their best interest at heart.
Psych NP here. We treat a lot of kids, and let me just say something about watching true crime, reading violent stories, or playing violent games. Most kids can and will grow up with these things and never ever do anything like this. However, I’ve treated kids with psychiatric disorders such as Oppositional Defiance Disorder, and Conduct Disorder. This usually begins way before exposure to these things, but it can exacerbate the condition. So to blame games, books, or shows that are criminal or violent for 99% of kids changing their behavior or actions is wrong. Also, the medication is not a lot for a kid. We do not use height/weight for that medication. I agree her childhood was horrible, and the system failed her horribly. But all the signs were there, and truly this could be prevented.
Your telling me her grandparents or not one teacher seen any of these signs and massive red flags 🚩?!?! I watched her interrogation and it’s very chilling & telling. When she finally hears her say she killed her the grandma has a huge breakdown, it’s terrible. I advise y’all to go watch it. Her own boyfriend said he witnessed her evil way’s. So sad for everyone. Rest in paradise beautiful child.🙏🏼❣️
@@ioncekilledamanwithmyshoe She was capable of hurting herself very openly. I'm more than sure she hurt her siblings on several occasions. Explosive emotions, Out at weird times of day in strange weather conditions, etc etc. She gave MANY signs. I don't believe her grandparents especially are free of guilt. Pills were obviously not enough, the writing in her diary the post online, they were not looking after her. She very clearly needed to be put into some sort of mental hospital. Absolutely furious that whenever these cases come up no one ever looks at the care takers of the children who seemingly had no idea what their child was doing all this time or barely made an effort to help them. The grandparents are guilty along with the girl.
i’ve always been interested in true crime and ever since i started to not be able to watch videos on it because it made my anxiety go crazy i was so sad but you always tell stories in such a calming way without purposely trying to make the listener uncomfortable as most other true crime podcasts do,, so thank you!
this is such a disgusting case, no one remembers Elizabeth but they remember the sick person who killed her. Alyssa needed consistent therapy for her issues, but once she committed this type of crime, she deserved life in prison for it. Elizabeth's murderer is far too dangerous and lacks all remorse and should never have been let out of prison.
I think Alyssa's more memorable based on how fascinating she is. It's just bizarre because we try blaming people for things based on our own moral values, not grasping that not everyone has the same morals and feelings as us. It shows the difference normal people have from neurodivergent people. Sometimes, we can't understand people just...CAN'T feel the same way, which is why we can never help those people safely. People can't understand that not everyone feels the same sense of morality and strong justice. We can't understand that they just can't FEEL it. It's crazy and fascinating to think about, honestly.
@@unexpected320 Have you not studied psychology? Neurotypical people might not grasp this, but in some cases (I was going to say "rare" but it's more common now due to the population among other factors) there are people who cannot feel certain "normal" emotions. Some of these people simply *can't* understand moral ideologies or even feel remorse. You and I can sit there and judge that but there's really nothing we can DO about it. I've just learned to accept it. It's one of those things we can't fix. But we shouldn't be afraid because it's rarer for people to act out on their thoughts. A lot of people who have these types of violent thoughts probably won't act on them because it's easier to try and follow societal norms than to get into trouble. I've studied this myself but I've also talked to a psychologist about this topic off-handedly as well as read about this from an article written by someone who has such thoughts. They simply *can't* feel empathy and we can't make them to, we can only monitor them.
@@joltyflare we blame her for killing a nine year old because she killed a nine year old. killing a child is immoral even if your brain can’t comprehend it
Her mom got pregnant when she was 14, I feel like we should be reassessing this, and saying imagine not teaching your child about sex or caring enough about your child that you allow them to to get pregnant at 14 and then!!! Afterwards allowing them to go into a drug fueled downward self destructive spiral. I feel like the grandparents had a part to play in this and no one wants to acknowledge that, they waited until their daughter had FOUR KIDS and had the kids malnourished and basically raising themselves for years before they stepped in . I'm not saying the mother is blameless but she definitely needed help too...
Unfortunately the grand majority of people will not listen to your advice and will continue with this, then wonder why their kid ended up being a horrible person
I studied this case pretty obsessively in high school. Still very bizarre to me. Elizabeth reminds me of my younger self and my little cousins. Sounds like she was a sweet, vibrant girl with a lovely future ahead of her. It's always such an indescribable tragedy when a bright, unique individual's life is snuffed out, especially in such a preventable and morbid way.
This happened in my hometown. I grew up as a girl in that beautiful bucolic place, playing in those woods and creeks, so I will never forget. Horrific tragedy.
I looked into Alyssa Bustamante, since this video is older. Her eligibility for Parole has been changed it seems. It's no longer 2024 (this year) it has been changed to 2037, when she is to be 43.
i feel so bad for the 3 younger siblings as well, not only have they lost their mom and we’re neglected by her and their fathers, but they lost their sister too. i couldn’t imagine that pain on top of knowing she did that to someone.
I saw the name in the title and as you described Elizabeth I was like “how could she be the killer” until I realized she was the victim and I think it’s nice that you put her name in the title instead
Girl! Do Not EVER apologize for being sick! Please take care of yourself! I hope you never feel as if you HAVE TO put out a video instead of resting. Thank you for all you do to entertain us! Drink some warm tea with honey to soothe your throat. Sending healing vibes your way! All the love!
“It was written in blood” is a song lyric actually by Bring me the Horizon. That’s actually the name of the song too. Love the band and the album. The entire album is a very dark and heavy.
I have been waiting for someone to make a video about this!!! Alyssa lived in my hometown Hollister before moving to Missouri and went to a small rural school with all my friends. My friend’s mom who was a teacher there told me she was like a “stray cat” and felt really bad for her home life situation. From what my friends said, she was very odd and always alone. My friend has lots of picture albums and in one of them on his birthday, Alyssa was in some of the pictures. Very eerie!!! We were sophomores in high school when we found out what Alyssa did. So tragic 😢 we were all so nervous when we heard her sentencing because at the time, there was a possibility she would be transported back to California. Don’t know whatever happened to that
ur right ab cali. i’m friends w her brother. he’s mentioned that his older sis is in cali now, locked up but going through a lot of psychiatric care. that’s the most he’s ever said ab her tho.
I am from Missouri and this case is so very sad. I remember seeing it on the news and was shocked that a teenager killed a little girl just because she wanted to. And then she went to Church!!?? You should do the case of Molly Watson. She was killed just before her wedding...by her husband to be.
It really was sad. I remember how much this affected the whole area, myself included. I'm friends with Elizabeth's older brother (same graduating class). St. Martains is in the Jefferson City school district along with a few other surrounding towns. That girl was so sweet.
It wasn’t even just her grandmother. Alyssa had an appointed child advocate that left with the grandmother and made “suggestive” comments to Alyssa, getting the footage dismissed. Luckily, like you said, they still had enough to put her away
@@nadia-tp1xv it was dismissed because the judge said that the advocate was persuading Alyssa into confess and acted unprofessional- especially since she was supposed to be an advocate for Alyssa. i believe they investigated the counselor.
The way that people are glorifying the killer on TikTok because she’s their “scene queen” is DISGUSTING. Just because a killer has an alternative style does not give you a right to glorify them I’ve seen countless edits of people on TikTok calling her a “Queen” and “doesn’t deserve to be in jail” as if she didn’t literally take a LIFE.
I saw picture of her on Pinterest with no context and thought she was just some random scene kid because she looked similar to other scene/emo kids I knew and seen online. I clicked on this video because I've seen those pictures before and now I know the full story. She's such a horrible person
never have i ever experienced someone in one of these videos having the EXACT same birth date as me down to the year until this… my eyes physically widened. i have watched multiple videos on this story before, but i didn’t know elizabeth’s birthday until this. feeling a bit of extra love and connection for this sweet girl now. 😞❤️
Idk if its bc I’ve heard so many true crimes cases or bc SHE LITERALLY COULD’VE BEEN STOPPED(edit) idk abt y’all but my mom always walks in my room without asking my gma do it when she visit too so there’s no reason they didn’t see any signs
@@illwait__ Alyssa's parents were negligent and doesn't sound like any of her fam cared that much about her. My own childhood wasn't as bad as hers but I regularly went days w o my parents checking on me lol. So it's entirely possibly no one gave enough of a crap to know what she was up to
@@romaniesophie5035 so you just gonna Ignore the fact that she lived with her grand parents 💀 that gotta be a white ppl thing bc my grandma always busted into my room
I watched the interrogation interview, and when the grandma breaks down is so heart breaking, poor thing just tried her best with the kids. Heart breaking all around.
Alyssa’s mom, mother of the year, all this things happened because she chose not to be a mom just lost in drugs and alcohol. What a terrible tragedy for Elisabeth s family, I really think she should be out of jail when Elisabeth come out of the grave.
Right! Chose not to be a mom but couldn’t keep her damn legs shut. Knowing she was not taking care of the first kid but continued to have more kids to not take care of!! I have been raising my 17 yr old niece since she was a toddler. Her “mother” wasn’t taking care of her. Instead of growing up and getting her shit together she went on to have two more kids and big surprise she doesn’t have custody of those kids either. Do NOT have kids if your not willing to put the time, energy and love into it!
@@jillryan-fortier639 Her mother is awful but saying “keeping her legs shut” sounds very misogynistic and gross. Pregnancy is not a punishment from sex, which is how you make it sound.. Many have regular sex and don’t end up like this woman. Don’t blame having sex for this. Blame this woman for being irresponsible and an awful parent.
Hi! I love the way you take time to explain these cases the best you can. You're a very talented story teller and I'm super happy to have found this channel 🥰😍
i can't help but feel the tiniest bit of sympathy for alyssa - as an emo kid and someone who deals with a lot of things she does mentally (of course not as extreme). i would never go to lengths like this, but it sucks knowing that if she had just gotten the proper amount of help and not just meds then this could have been prevented
I agree. She was clearly suffering a lot. I see this whole tragedy as mostly the failure of the mental health + childcare system to allow Alyssa's psyche to degrade to this point. As well as her terrible neglectful parents, of course.
i feel so horrible about what happened to elizabeth. she truly didn't deserve to die at such a young age and so brutally and painfully. its truly horrific.
My mother was an abusive, neglectful, alcoholic. My grandparents also bought her a trailer, to stop us from bouncing from place to place, or sleeping in her old car. Especially so we'd stop staying around the strange men she'd stay with. We grew up in filth so I can empathize. However, none of us became sociopathic murderers. I became the mother of my sister who was 6 years younger, and my brother whos 2 years older. I did self harm, and have suicidal thoughts but I didn't have homicidal thoughts.....
I’ve seen the footage of when she confesses, and it’s heartbreaking. Heartbreaking in the sense that her grandmother starts wailing in pure grief. I can’t imagine how she felt- she rescued her grandkids from that horrid situation, raised them with as much love as she could possibly give, and then the grandkid she worked so hard to get help for still throws it all away in the cruelest of fashions, by taking an innocent child’s life. It’s truly so hard to hear. My heart goes out to the victims family, as well as for her grandparents and siblings. I hope they all get the chance to eventually heal from this.
Those kids sure as hell didn't ask to have neglectful fucks as family. Or even really to be born. If she didn't have those kids in the first place and overdosed or someshit none of it would've happened. Was a nice disturbing entertaining story though.
When I took prozac when I was in inpatient it made me black out and I fought another patient that was bullying me in the adolescent wing. The hospital at the time had me on 5 mg but they “accidentally” gave me 20 mg for two days straight. A lot of these physicians forget that a lot of these uppers have a lot of side effects of down tendencies. I am not making excuses for her but as for someone who was on Prozac it scared me and I stopped taking it 2 years later. They should of monitor her in a close environment.
I have prozac for anxiety and honestly all it does is add a layer of brain fog on top of my anxiety lol. I wish people would realize it's not a fix-all solution and that it can fail many people. I have been on prozac for a few years and it doesn't do much aside from add brain fog to the mix
I was on Prozac and it’s a well known fact within the mental health field (or at least with the psychiatrists I’ve seen) that anti depressants can act funky with people that are bipolar. I was super aggressive on Prozac, and while I didn’t kill anyone I do believe it is important to note. Such a sad case for all family’s.
Not only that but in certain cases it can actually make suicidal thoughts even worse every time I tried a new antidepressant my psychiatrists always reminded of this and to notify them if that were to occur
Dude I don’t blame the boyfriend at all, being 15 he might not have known, but had he gone to the police it’s possible they could have found no evidence if they even believed him, and if she found out he told who knows what could have happened.
when i was like 11 or 12 i had a wicked ear infection and i binged a bunch of videos about this case. scared the hell out of me then and it still does now.
It's not about the fact that there isn't any fanart or fan accounts for Elizabeth because that would be profiting off of someones death. Fanart and fan accounts should not be something that is on either side of this. I really wish that people would understand that having fan accounts and making fan art of killers should not be a thing since it is glamourising someone that has done such a horrible thing and how that could effect the families that have had someone they love taken from them.
I’m not understanding how the grandparents were five minutes away and let the neglect get so bad that was literally the point of them moving so the grandparents could watch over them
This case was extremely sad. I’ve watched so many of your videos of the past week and this one just truly hurt to hear. I bawled my eyes out when you went over the confession and then even more when you mentioned her casket was pink, and then EVEN more when I remembered you said her favorite color was pink at the beginning of the video😭 Thank you for sharing those things about Elizabeth, she seemed like a truly amazing little girl! My prayers go out to the family🩷
The fact that she was denied parole this year in July and everyone’s mad about her not being treated fairly… Her taking a child’s life wasn’t fair either. Life isn’t fair and you have to deal with the consequences of your actions. The only way she should ever be released is to a mental hospital. Not that it applies to this story specifically but it’s ironic that a murderer would even have the option to plead insanity. Of course they’re insane. I would think anyone that took a life would have to be insane. Anyway love your videos!
I literally get so excited when you post. I look forward to Wednesdays just simply because you post your visual podcast videos. you're a legend and I look forward to watching your videos. ILY 🥰
Before I make the rest of my comment, let me just say I'm in no way suggesting she's not responsible for her actions, but listening to details about her childhood reminds me of my daughter's partner's son. He's 5 now, & before his father got custody of him, he was living with his mother, who is an active drug addict, who still shows no signs of getting sober, with parents that are very enabling. When his father got custody & he moved in with them, & my daughter's previous 2 children, there were SO MANY things to fix. His eyes didn't work properly, he couldn't speak very well, he struggled with food behaviors, he was terrified of the bath & we eventually learned he had almost drowned, he was very inward & quiet & traumatized, & its take more than a year to really address the issues, but now he's like a "normal" child, he plays, he talks, he learns, he goes to school, & we're starting to see some great things like his apptitude for computers & technology or his creativity with Legos. As the couselor also commented, meds don't fix mental health problems, they can help, but MUST be combined with additional therapies & tools. I also had a hard childhood, I also was filled with rage, I would hunt & kill frogs sometimes, there are several details like that, that make me wonder if I hadn't been lucky in the peopleI met, would I have fallen into a pit of anger, that got so bad I started hunting people? I feel bad for the victim, her family,the community, but I also feel bad for her.
You can feel bad for the killers past, just don’t forget what she did… Many have gone through horrible things similar and don’t end up murdering anyone... Alyssa had an awful time being raised and life failed her.. but that doesn’t excuse her taking another innocent child’s life..
Exactly. She wasn't given anything to be fixed other than a diagnosis and drugs. It makes me wonder if the hospital that was treating her even knew about her past. Or if they just didn't do anything about it.
Nobody who shows signs or early symptoms of bipolar disorder should ever be put on an antidepressant or SSRI. They make things 1000 times worse, and I’m not surprised at all to hear how it escalated Alyssa got. Of course not to the same extreme, but I was put on an SSRI at 14 as someone with bipolar disorder and I had to be hospitalized two times for self harm ideation. It is absolutely ridiculous to put anybody on an SSRI without being checked for possible mood disorders, because these anti-depressants are detrimental to those with any sort of bipolar.
So many adults are put on the wrong meds because to them their manic symptoms aren’t an issue, so they don’t get brought up, so they only talk about their depression and get put on SSRI’s. It’s ridiculous how little society cares about this
I think a really sad part of this story is that Alyssa so clearly and desperately needed so much psychological help but instead they just filled her with high doses of SSRIs at such a young age which can’t be good for anyone when your brain chemistry is already so volatile at that time in one’s life.
ssris are one of the most effective forms of treatment for teenagers lol. without them I'd probably be dead rn. meds *are* psychological help, they're more effective than therapy by themselves (although you can only get the full benefits from a combination of meds and therapy.) she definitely needed more help than she got, but don't blame medication for the murder lmfao that's just so incredibly unhelpful.
It’s actually a low dose for Prozac (fluoxetine) and she could have majorly benefited from a higher dose while also having therapy. When I was on Prozac it actually didn’t help me at all and it turned out I needed a different form of SSRI, but now I’m on an SNRI called Cymbalta (duloxetine). Like the other comment here, I’d be dead if I wasn’t given medications.
@@humanname99 I wasn’t trying to blame the murder on medication bruh chill I was just saying she needed MORE HELP than just the meds they gave her lmfao
@@stardust.and.moonlight 20mg is the low to normal dose FOR ADULTS. Granted she probably could’ve benefited from that dose had she also gotten proper therapy to go with it but 20-25 is a normal to high dose for a child as doses for children starts at half of an adult serving.
@@trippyinsomniac3667 those types of drugs aren't done on height/weight they have a min dose and a max dose, it's likley she was on the lower dose, but I agree with you that medication alone would not have done any good as it's part of a wider treatment plan.
This is so sad 🥺😭 From the way you described Elizabeth it sounds like her and I had a lot of similar interests and we were the same age and I also lived in Missouri. I wish I could’ve met her maybe we could’ve been friends. Her life was taken WAY to soon and I hope she is resting in peace 😢
Every single child in this story (including Alyssa) was failed. Alyssa was showing so many signs that she was a danger to herself and others. Obviously Alyssa and Emma's parents were abusive and neglectful, but even after they escaped that situation and were with their grandparents they were still being neglected just not as obviously. Yes she was getting some help but she should have been committed and they shouldn't have allowed the kids to be alone with her without adult supervision. This isn't just an evil teen; this was massively preventable. I understand you can do everything right in these situations and still fail, but to me it sounds like Alyssa had way too much freedom to abuse her siblings which failed them and then ultimately Elizabeth too, but she was also being failed because she needed help too. This is such a sad story. I hope Alyssa has changed as a person in prison and I hope Emma and the brother are okay now and they've all healed. I find it hard to comprehend in my brain how to feel about Alyssa because normally I find it easy to symphasise with killers pasts if they did experience trauma while also hating what they did and feeling no sympathy for the killing of that present, but in this case it's so interlocked it's hard for me to comprehend it all. Like how should I feel about her? I literally cried at the description of Elizabeth's funeral. It sounded very bitter sweet and I'm glad she had that princess send off at least
the fact she dug two graves makes me think she was planning to kill both elizbeth and emily. also since she wrote her sisters name by the body on her wall with slash marks, im so glad she didnt
Hailey, I got so excited when I saw you posted a video 5 hours ago. You have no idea how much your content helps me. Your videos are the highlight of my week!
I'm equally disgusted by the case but also by Alyssas mom. Imagine bringing multiple children in this world and forcing so much trauma on them that one of them commits murder.
I was locked up in residential for 3 years after several hospitilizations due to consuming lethal things (full bottle of tylenol, rubbing alcohol, bleach), self harming, burning, carving words into my skin, biting myself, scratching myself, etc. I also grew up fairly neglected, was diagnosed with BPD, PTSD, and depression after experimenting with antidepressants and self harming for quite some time and then attempted suicide thru rubbing alcohol & tylenol. I understand alot of what alyssa has been through, except for the harm she caused upon other people. I have had outbursts and harmed people, but the one difference seems to be psychopathic/ apathetic traits, actively searching ways to cause harm onto others for enjoyment whereas I would never hurt someone on purpose for fun. Just by being triggered deeply, especially when it catches me off guard and I have no time to regulate. All in all, i think there is a chance that if she had been given more attention and proper medication, therapy, time, and love, all of these horrible things might have been able to be avoided.. this is so sad to hear because I resonate so deeply with her. I feel like I've lived through her experiences and it makes me wonder what happened to me to prevent the same fate from occurring in my life. I'm 21 now, medicated and stable, and my life is honestly pretty amazing now. I wonder what hers would have been like if she had gotten any kind of semi-permanent help and thourough attention.
Don’t mean to add trauma to this but Prozac was the only medication I tried that made my depression worse. Within a month of starting I tried to off myself and my mom had to call my psychiatrist. I never even realized I was getting worse I just suddenly felt empty
Not to invalidate your experience antidepressants are really personal, but this is a potential side effect of all antidepressants. Sorry just these comments are so crazy that I want people to know that it’s totally fine to take Prozac if it works for you. Hailey kinda demonized it in this video and experts in the comments have pointed out that the dosage is fine. You can get this with any psych med
I feel so bad for the family of Elizabeth and Dustin. Alyssa is getting glamorized by social media while people that Alyssa hurt will forever be haunted by how sick Alyssa is.
She also knew it was wrong because in her journal she wrote "once you get past the 'what am I doing this is wrong' it feels great" or something like that
Omg so I did some digging looking at her reposted youtube videos and peolpe were praising her SHE SLAUGHTERED A LITTLE GIRL. These comments were like “she’s so pretty, free Alyssa, she did no wrong,” etc etc, WTF she killed someone.
she should never get out of prison. i don't think she's sorry about what she did, either. lots of people go through abuse as kids; they don't all end up committing murder. there's no excuse for what she did. she should stay in prison for the rest of her days.
This happened in my hometown and I remember it very clearly. It was a very sad and weird time for our area of Missouri. I feel like this story wasn’t covered enough as I was growing up.
This is why I hate people who pretend to be crazy or want to be. They think it’s so cool quirky but it really sad and this is an example. I have a friend who wants to be psycho. She is unaware of what it actually like and dismisses when I try to explain that it not “I’m crazy and insane and that makes my quirky and not like everyone else” so I hope she learns soon.
Hey Hailey! Love your channel, you’re such a cool person and I look up to you since we’re the same age and you have this amazing youtube channel already. If you’re ever in a situation when you don’t know what to watch I think you’d like a series called “Girl From Nowhere”, it’s kind of underrated I guess yet I get the feeling that you’ll like it, it reminds me of you. Anyways even if you won’t watch it it doesn’t matter, thank you for your videos and I wish you even more success.
Glad to meet you! I've been going down true crime rabbit holes at work and I'm happy to have stumbled across you. Your voice is soothing and I can't wait to peruse your channel!
Alyssa’s legal team trying to make a case for her increased prozac prescription as lowering her inhibitions made me think of another TH-camr that I sometimes watch. They had been prescribed Paxil, another type of SSRI, when they were just a teenager and it, in their own phrasing, sent them psychotic, and they did some really horrific things (self-injurious).
i like how you use the victim's name instead of the killers name in the title, people usually only remember the killers in true crime stuff so its just nice to see that you see the victim themselves.
Agreed. I made a similar post, without realizing that you had already posted this.
then why did she center the killer in the thumbnail.... that's worse....
I mean it’s good but the problem is she prefaces it’s with a title implying the victim is the killer. “Kids who Kill Kids: The Case of Alyssa Bustamante” is what the title should be if she’s going to have that “kids who kill kids” part. She can’t have it both ways. “Kids Killed by Kids: The Case of Elizabeth Olten” is what it should be to properly convey that Elizabeth was the victim not the killer to someone unfamiliar with Hailey.
@@aromaladyellie yeah, the title was kinda poorly worded. That’s why I was confused when she said Elizabeth was the victim because I thought she was the killer from the title.
@@aromaladyellie I do agree. I get the intention but that combined with the thumbnail totally makes it seem like the killer is the name in the title
my heart broke when the family said she was a princess and deserved to be treated as such.. my heart goes out to the family. no child deserved to go the way she did
yeah i teared up that was heartbreaking
same i was like thats so sad and i could never bear that type of pain
Literally made me cryyyy
"She was a princess and deserved a princess burial" I love that they honored her in such a way
I also want to say I’m extremely proud of the grandma for not trying to cover up or defend Alyssa. Saying Alyssa should be allowed out of prison the day Elizabeth is out of her grave is kind of refreshing to hear. You wouldn’t believe how many people will know about the crimes their kids/grand kids commit and try to cover them up just because it’s family… I personally feel since Alyssa took a life she should be given life in prison. I definitely don’t like the idea she’s allowed to roam free in 2 years in the state that I am in. I don’t want to bump into her 😤😭😡
i thought that was elizabeth's grandma, but for real. good on people who do not excuse her actions
hope that alyssa rots in there, and so do those who glorify her
It was Elizabeths grandma that said that, not Alyssa's! But I agree, Alyssa's grandma was right in not covering up for her.
@@user-ep3fo5vw1v hailey did mix up alyssa and elizabeth’s names several times during the video though (like 43:09 she does it 3 times in a row), and since elizabeth’s grandma had never been mentioned up to that point but alyssa’s had, it’s likely she meant alyssa’s grandma, not elizabeth’s.
@@wolfiiu Oh, that makes sense. Their names are very similar.
@@yadernny4 Bustamante
imagine bringing kids into this world KNOWING you're not capable of taking care of them
Not even just ONE child, MULTIPLE CHILDREN.
*cough, cough* my mom *cough*
Imagine this happening far far more frequently than you could ever possibly imagine…
This is the most common thing ever in my country. Half of the mothers here know they can't take care of their children.
That’s what happens when you’re pro birth 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
There are two kinds of people who have gone through trauma.
"I don't want anyone else to ever experience what I did" and
"I want everyone to experience what I did"
sometimes people think the first and sometimes people think the second. it depends on the situation, like if someone says “it wasn’t as bad as … ” then they would want everyone to experience the same thing they did
i feel like theres a secret third option: wanting others to feel what you feel but not wanting to inflict pain onto others
Honestly this case was so upsetting all around, it sucks that Alyssa had to grow up like that but she shouldn’t have turned out to be what she is. It’s completely fucked that parents will birth kids knowing they can’t take care of them.
A third kind: “i want people to know what i experienced and gain sympathy”. At least this and the two you listed are the three types i mainly notice
Sometimes hurt people hurt other people. Trauma doesn't make you a good person, healing does. If you can't heal, that can lead to violence, either to yourself or to others. Untreated PTSD fvcks you up.
That's why I feel sympathy for some horrible people's circumstances, and get why they do the things they do. It's not an excuse, but it's a reason. It's a morbid interest of mine, I guess.
this is honestly just sickening. the fact that a teenage girl can kill a child and then gush about it in her diary; just gross. the interview is even worse, when she confesses her grandmother is in the room and it’s just heartbreaking.
@AverageWomanFan dude just stop, we all know you're just doing this for attention and it genuinely so sad.
@AverageWomanFan stop trolling. It's sad
@AverageWomanFan how's ur mom's basement
@AverageWomanFan oh hell nah
@AverageWomanFan stop trying to be edgy
It literally scares me that someone like that could be walking around free in less that 2 years. It truly scares me that she has a FAN club. How could someone support a person like that?!? I truly feel horrible for Elizabeth’s family because every time she appeals they have to relive that tragedy and in two years they have to relive it. It’s like a bad dream repeating itself.
She has another 30 consecutive prison years. And considering her mental issues she prob won't be free
She has a fan club?!?? What the fuck??!! What is wrong with people. (I just got to ending…. Wtf.)
After researching more about the case I found out that due to her additional conviction of armed criminal action, even if she is granted conditional release in 2024, she will have a consecutive sentence of 30 years in prison. This makes her earliest probable release in 2054, when she will be 60 years old
It's not rare. Every killer have fan clubs, even if it's disgusting. Even Jeffrey Dahmer
Yep, someone in this comment section literally admitted to being a fan of this girl-
Alyssa showed so many signs… she was practically a walking red flag. If Alyssa had been given the psychiatric care she needed regularly I feel like this wouldn’t have happened. It’s no excuse but it is an explanation.
psych wards are horrible and only make the situation so much worse, psychologists and psychiatrists make people lives change for the better and help change the way people think for the better, hospitals can help a lot and living with people that aren't abusive REALLY helps x
thank you for your likes, that' rlly sweet x
@@everlina1822 luv u
isn't she the 15 yro girl
@@kia9385 Alyssa is the girl who took away Elizabeth Olten’s life
I'm glad you spoke up about how problematic the idolization of murderers is. Especially lately with the Jeffrey Dahmer series, people everywhere are popping up, simping for these horrible people. I was kinda nervous, thinking like "goddamn I hope Hailey ain't like those people", and I'm glad you're not.
@AverageWomanFan wdym it’s not problematic bfr
@AverageWomanFan Go touch some grass or smth i swear to god
@AverageWomanFan watch something like american horror story and at least romanticize fictional serial killers. a 9 year old died, have some respect
Y’all stop buying into this TH-cam user, look at the icon and name, and realize they are trying to trigger you for attention and it’s working
@AverageWomanFan oh my gosh!! you're so cute edgy and different🤩 so not like other girls congratulationssssss
I'm actually good friends with Elizabeth's brother Anthony. St. Martains is still in the Jefferson City school districts, along with a few surrounding small towns. That girl was such a sweetheart. Alyssa was also batshit crazy. Everyone in that area knew it. She actually used to babysit a friend of mine and one time she locked her in her toy box. Hell no.
omg, I'm sorry but the amount of red flags in that paragraph alone. Yikes! Alyssa sounds like she was walking trouble just waiting to happen.
Dang
Jesus Christ..
What the fuck, secret lore
jesus christ.. since you know anthony, i hope he knows that i, even though a rando on the internet, give him and his family my full support.
You're absolutely right, it's so disgusting that there are people glamorizing the killers but forgetting the victims. I am so glad you're out there telling the victims stories and making sure they are remembered, and you do an amazing job at it! Thank you so much for this!
Naw I’m going to hope that your a troll cause I’ve seen you reply to MULTIPLE comments that are clearly in the right, but before you reply saying “ I’m not a troll “ Or “ I’m being fr “, you sure do sound like a troll through out this comment section 😦🤚
@@sparrowo9100 nah it’s a troll. “Average Woman Fan” with a pfp of Alyssa from the thumbnail, not really stealthy.
@AverageWomanFan i live in MI. this case happened in MO. you cant even abbreviate the state correctly. either way, glad i never met her! because as someone with bpd, it disgusts me that she’s glamorized. there are so many mentally ill people, especially with bpd, that still know better than to fucking murder people
@AverageWomanFan Are you actually okay, kid?
@@ImVeraFranco Just report them.
i cant imagine the guilt elizabeths mother feels for giving in to let her kid go play. its heartbreaking
that's so real. i hope she knows that it wasn't her fault.
even if it was still a no for that day, who's to say Alyssa wouldn't of killed Emma that night or Elizabeth the next day. so I do hope her mother knows it isn't her fault for saying yes
26:44 "It was written in blood" is an emo/metal song from 2008. I believe it's about the death of a friend or a suicide. A lot of the "red flags" she showed, eg. the fake blood she wore, her hand in a gun motion, some writing on the walls, the TH-cam bio, the excessive cutting and carving on her skin was sadly just what the emo culture glorified on the internet. Not excusing what she did of course, just giving some context to the culture she seemed to be a part of and not everything I mentioned above was due to complete mental instability. I was part of that same twitter and tumblr emo culture at her age and have an understanding of it. Again, I'm not saying what she did to others was valid or okay.
i agree i was a big part of it & a huge cutter (still struggle w it at 23) would carve words as well & i would take pics like that & draw pictures that were pretty dark was a huge part of pro-ana/pro-mia tumblr too so it was common for a lot of kids in the scene. _however_ although i’ve been diagnosed with bipolar one & borderline personality disorder as well as ptsd i never had the homocidal ideation or anything and i think all of the signs go hand in hand bc a lot of us that were apart of the emo/scene crowd did (and still do) struggle w mental illness and at the time that was the only music & crowd that truly understood what it was like
Yes I was part of the culture too, it was a suicide song, but I never thought of killing anyone was just mad and kept everything inside and out it onto myself inside. I wouldn't think about doing something so vicious to anyone like that.
Interesting fact, “It was written in blood” is a translation of a poem of a Russian poet Sergei Esenin. And it is about a person having a discussion with it’s inner self/depression
I agree. I think a lot of the things she did and the pictures of herself that she took in those poses went under the radar because it was so common in emo culture.
@@alderfae9898 lol why tf are y’all blaming emo culture? I grew up during this time and didn’t do any of this this shit and I was emo af.Ik everyone’s different but to blame an entire subculture just makes y’all sound old and stupid.
Nurse here: 20 mg of prozac is the standar dose. It might be a bit high for a teen but it’s definitely NOT too much. For bulimia it’s usually given in 60mg so 20 it’s definitely on the low side
i was only on 5mg when i was 11-13
@@rhys7910 that’s fine but it doesn’t make 20mg a too high dose
Counselor intern and mental health worker (psychiatric field) here and teenagers are typically prescribed 10mg. I understand that the video author said grams and not MILLIGRAMS. 20 grams of Prozac would definitely be way too much though
@@xxIluvyouguysxx i assume grams is a mistake. That dose would kill anyone most likely
For someone that ended up being found to have onset bipolar disorder though, Prozac probably wasn’t the best move, antidepressants only treat the depressive cycle and do nothing for the hypomania/mania cycles. Personally I got put on Zoloft and had my dosage increased from 50mg to 100mg at 19 and that triggered my first full blown manic episode. Now being 22 and on 25mg of seroquel and soon to be 25mg of lamictal, pretty much all of my symptoms are completely docile. I have bipolar 1 w/psychotic affects though, no idea what type of bipolar Alissa ended up being Dx’d with but all of the friends I’ve had on Prozac due to misdiagnosis (a lot of us were Dx as MDD and then once on antidepressants had our first manic or hypomanic episodes). I’ve never killed someone due to mania though. I have done a lot of impulsive and reckless shit during mania, but never killed someone. It does affect my anger and irritability quite a bit.
I love how you talked about Elizabeth’s interests and who she was, not many people take time to honor the victim.
the princess burial is so bittersweet 😢 like it’s such a beautiful way of burying her but so sad that they had to do that in the first place
I cried at that, that poor child. 😢
I think it's a big issue that we pretty much only teach kids stranger danger, when it seems more often to be people that these children know and or trust that end up hurting them. I'm not really sure how we could teach them better without basically implementing serious trust issues. But we should do more than just stranger danger, as you said this little girl looked at Alyssa like a big sister and probably would have never thought to be afraid of her.
I'm not sure, it will probably scare the child and make him/her paranoid.
@@elinag274 exactly. It's a hard thing to make a child aware of and it's sad that it's even a thing we need to worry about.
@@VibeWithLuna maybe just teach them to look out for bad behaviors in everyone..? Even ones you’re close to? I’m sure there’s a way..
@@KingOfGaymes maybe to teach children to let their parents know where they are at all times? But that probably wont prevent murders only would help police find them after
I think teaching kids to establish their boundaries and about consent, especially outside of sexual situations, would probably help. If they have a friend who disregards their boundaries and tries to get them to do things they aren't comfortable with, they'll know that person doesn't respect them and doesn't have their best interest at heart.
Psych NP here. We treat a lot of kids, and let me just say something about watching true crime, reading violent stories, or playing violent games. Most kids can and will grow up with these things and never ever do anything like this. However, I’ve treated kids with psychiatric disorders such as Oppositional Defiance Disorder, and Conduct Disorder. This usually begins way before exposure to these things, but it can exacerbate the condition. So to blame games, books, or shows that are criminal or violent for 99% of kids changing their behavior or actions is wrong.
Also, the medication is not a lot for a kid. We do not use height/weight for that medication. I agree her childhood was horrible, and the system failed her horribly. But all the signs were there, and truly this could be prevented.
I feel so bad for Emma. Must’ve been so hard for a 6 year old to go through
Especially if Emma ever realized that her own sister used her as a pawn to lure Elizabeth out, and possibly had plans to kill her as well.
Your telling me her grandparents or not one teacher seen any of these signs and massive red flags 🚩?!?! I watched her interrogation and it’s very chilling & telling. When she finally hears her say she killed her the grandma has a huge breakdown, it’s terrible. I advise y’all to go watch it. Her own boyfriend said he witnessed her evil way’s. So sad for everyone. Rest in paradise beautiful child.🙏🏼❣️
where can u watch it
@@yeofied just put in the search bar of TH-cam: The interrogation of the Elizabeth Olsen case and you should get plenty of results.
I think they never thought she was capable of murder, they tried treating her but it was only for depression.
@@yeofied the video with the interrogation is called “the craziest interrogation freak out ever filmed” by Explore with Us.
@@ioncekilledamanwithmyshoe She was capable of hurting herself very openly. I'm more than sure she hurt her siblings on several occasions. Explosive emotions, Out at weird times of day in strange weather conditions, etc etc. She gave MANY signs. I don't believe her grandparents especially are free of guilt. Pills were obviously not enough, the writing in her diary the post online, they were not looking after her. She very clearly needed to be put into some sort of mental hospital. Absolutely furious that whenever these cases come up no one ever looks at the care takers of the children who seemingly had no idea what their child was doing all this time or barely made an effort to help them. The grandparents are guilty along with the girl.
i’ve always been interested in true crime and ever since i started to not be able to watch videos on it because it made my anxiety go crazy i was so sad but you always tell stories in such a calming way without purposely trying to make the listener uncomfortable as most other true crime podcasts do,, so thank you!
Try Sherrilyn Dale, she's very respectful as well!
@@kellyrogers2593 thanks so much! i’ll give her a try!
@@erinduffy4241 very welcome love!
If you haven't heard of her, Kendall Rae is amazing too! A lot like Hailey as far as being super respectful and not dramatic.
@@WitchyBitchyy thanks! i’ll add to my list!!
Hailey you have such a contagious and warm nature that allows stories as awful as these to be digested and heard. Thank you for all you do.
this is such a disgusting case, no one remembers Elizabeth but they remember the sick person who killed her. Alyssa needed consistent therapy for her issues, but once she committed this type of crime, she deserved life in prison for it. Elizabeth's murderer is far too dangerous and lacks all remorse and should never have been let out of prison.
I think Alyssa's more memorable based on how fascinating she is. It's just bizarre because we try blaming people for things based on our own moral values, not grasping that not everyone has the same morals and feelings as us. It shows the difference normal people have from neurodivergent people. Sometimes, we can't understand people just...CAN'T feel the same way, which is why we can never help those people safely. People can't understand that not everyone feels the same sense of morality and strong justice. We can't understand that they just can't FEEL it. It's crazy and fascinating to think about, honestly.
@@joltyflare stupidest thing I’ve ever read
@@unexpected320 Have you not studied psychology? Neurotypical people might not grasp this, but in some cases (I was going to say "rare" but it's more common now due to the population among other factors) there are people who cannot feel certain "normal" emotions. Some of these people simply *can't* understand moral ideologies or even feel remorse. You and I can sit there and judge that but there's really nothing we can DO about it. I've just learned to accept it. It's one of those things we can't fix.
But we shouldn't be afraid because it's rarer for people to act out on their thoughts. A lot of people who have these types of violent thoughts probably won't act on them because it's easier to try and follow societal norms than to get into trouble.
I've studied this myself but I've also talked to a psychologist about this topic off-handedly as well as read about this from an article written by someone who has such thoughts. They simply *can't* feel empathy and we can't make them to, we can only monitor them.
@@joltyflare no excuse to kill somebody
@@joltyflare we blame her for killing a nine year old because she killed a nine year old. killing a child is immoral even if your brain can’t comprehend it
Her mom got pregnant when she was 14, I feel like we should be reassessing this, and saying imagine not teaching your child about sex or caring enough about your child that you allow them to to get pregnant at 14 and then!!! Afterwards allowing them to go into a drug fueled downward self destructive spiral. I feel like the grandparents had a part to play in this and no one wants to acknowledge that, they waited until their daughter had FOUR KIDS and had the kids malnourished and basically raising themselves for years before they stepped in . I'm not saying the mother is blameless but she definitely needed help too...
Unfortunately the grand majority of people will not listen to your advice and will continue with this, then wonder why their kid ended up being a horrible person
I studied this case pretty obsessively in high school. Still very bizarre to me. Elizabeth reminds me of my younger self and my little cousins. Sounds like she was a sweet, vibrant girl with a lovely future ahead of her. It's always such an indescribable tragedy when a bright, unique individual's life is snuffed out, especially in such a preventable and morbid way.
This happened in my hometown. I grew up as a girl in that beautiful bucolic place, playing in those woods and creeks, so I will never forget. Horrific tragedy.
I looked into Alyssa Bustamante, since this video is older. Her eligibility for Parole has been changed it seems. It's no longer 2024 (this year) it has been changed to 2037, when she is to be 43.
yipeee
thank you i was wondering. my heart dropped a bit when i heard 2024
its been changed to possibly 2044
I just don’t want her out
@@Wallish-q3n I don't either 😭😭😭😭
i feel so bad for the 3 younger siblings as well, not only have they lost their mom and we’re neglected by her and their fathers, but they lost their sister too. i couldn’t imagine that pain on top of knowing she did that to someone.
I started bawling when you said they **still** gave her princess treatment even during her burial/funeral ☹️
I saw the name in the title and as you described Elizabeth I was like “how could she be the killer” until I realized she was the victim and I think it’s nice that you put her name in the title instead
Girl! Do Not EVER apologize for being sick! Please take care of yourself! I hope you never feel as if you HAVE TO put out a video instead of resting. Thank you for all you do to entertain us! Drink some warm tea with honey to soothe your throat. Sending healing vibes your way! All the love!
I love the tone that you take in this video and how you take time to honor and humanize the victim.
“It was written in blood” is a song lyric actually by Bring me the Horizon. That’s actually the name of the song too. Love the band and the album. The entire album is a very dark and heavy.
I also listen to BMTH
I have been waiting for someone to make a video about this!!! Alyssa lived in my hometown Hollister before moving to Missouri and went to a small rural school with all my friends. My friend’s mom who was a teacher there told me she was like a “stray cat” and felt really bad for her home life situation. From what my friends said, she was very odd and always alone. My friend has lots of picture albums and in one of them on his birthday, Alyssa was in some of the pictures. Very eerie!!! We were sophomores in high school when we found out what Alyssa did. So tragic 😢 we were all so nervous when we heard her sentencing because at the time, there was a possibility she would be transported back to California. Don’t know whatever happened to that
ur right ab cali. i’m friends w her brother. he’s mentioned that his older sis is in cali now, locked up but going through a lot of psychiatric care. that’s the most he’s ever said ab her tho.
Just found old photos of her at my baby shower
@@user-er6qz5zr8c hoping the twins are okay as well as emma. Wishing them the best
I am from Missouri and this case is so very sad. I remember seeing it on the news and was shocked that a teenager killed a little girl just because she wanted to. And then she went to Church!!?? You should do the case of Molly Watson. She was killed just before her wedding...by her husband to be.
It really was sad. I remember how much this affected the whole area, myself included. I'm friends with Elizabeth's older brother (same graduating class). St. Martains is in the Jefferson City school district along with a few other surrounding towns. That girl was so sweet.
this is so fucking heartbreaking. i have so much empathy for her little sister. i hope she doesn’t blame herself for this and is healing
It wasn’t even just her grandmother. Alyssa had an appointed child advocate that left with the grandmother and made “suggestive” comments to Alyssa, getting the footage dismissed. Luckily, like you said, they still had enough to put her away
what do you mean?
I don't think anything was dismissed. The advocate would have been changed out if they were being problematic.
You’re really just gonna say that and not give details smh
@@nadia-tp1xv it was dismissed because the judge said that the advocate was persuading Alyssa into confess and acted unprofessional- especially since she was supposed to be an advocate for Alyssa. i believe they investigated the counselor.
Just checked and she was denied parole! She’s next up for it in 2029. I hope she never gets out
The way that people are glorifying the killer on TikTok because she’s their “scene queen” is DISGUSTING.
Just because a killer has an alternative style does not give you a right to glorify them
I’ve seen countless edits of people on TikTok calling her a “Queen” and “doesn’t deserve to be in jail” as if she didn’t literally take a LIFE.
😂 theres so much worse unfortunately
Fr. I dress scene and just seeing this disgusts me.
she rocks the style but that doesnt change the fact shes a disgusting killer
I’m a scene kid and this is fucking disgusting, we do not claim her and she can go fuck off.
I saw picture of her on Pinterest with no context and thought she was just some random scene kid because she looked similar to other scene/emo kids I knew and seen online. I clicked on this video because I've seen those pictures before and now I know the full story. She's such a horrible person
never have i ever experienced someone in one of these videos having the EXACT same birth date as me down to the year until this… my eyes physically widened. i have watched multiple videos on this story before, but i didn’t know elizabeth’s birthday until this. feeling a bit of extra love and connection for this sweet girl now. 😞❤️
This case was so fascinating to me when I heard about it in high school. It’s always strange when kids kill kids.
Idk if its bc I’ve heard so many true crimes cases or bc SHE LITERALLY COULD’VE BEEN STOPPED(edit) idk abt y’all but my mom always walks in my room without asking my gma do it when she visit too so there’s no reason they didn’t see any signs
@@illwait__ what
@@illwait__ Alyssa's parents were negligent and doesn't sound like any of her fam cared that much about her. My own childhood wasn't as bad as hers but I regularly went days w o my parents checking on me lol. So it's entirely possibly no one gave enough of a crap to know what she was up to
@@thesehoesdk what ? You can’t read 😵💫
@@romaniesophie5035 so you just gonna Ignore the fact that she lived with her grand parents 💀 that gotta be a white ppl thing bc my grandma always busted into my room
If anyone else is watching this way after posting, fyi she was denied parole in 2024 🎉
I watched the interrogation interview, and when the grandma breaks down is so heart breaking, poor thing just tried her best with the kids.
Heart breaking all around.
If she tried her best this shit wouldn't have even happened. They were 5 minutes away? Bullshit, they're the original fuckups.
Something that i really love is that you put the victims name instead of the killer. The victim should be remembered rather than the terrible person.
Alyssa’s mom, mother of the year, all this things happened because she chose not to be a mom just lost in drugs and alcohol. What a terrible tragedy for Elisabeth s family, I really think she should be out of jail when Elisabeth come out of the grave.
Right! Chose not to be a mom but couldn’t keep her damn legs shut. Knowing she was not taking care of the first kid but continued to have more kids to not take care of!! I have been raising my 17 yr old niece since she was a toddler. Her “mother” wasn’t taking care of her. Instead of growing up and getting her shit together she went on to have two more kids and big surprise she doesn’t have custody of those kids either. Do NOT have kids if your not willing to put the time, energy and love into it!
she was 14 when she had her, her own life was fucked up too.
@@jillryan-fortier639 exactly, thanks 🤗
@@jillryan-fortier639 Her mother is awful but saying “keeping her legs shut” sounds very misogynistic and gross. Pregnancy is not a punishment from sex, which is how you make it sound..
Many have regular sex and don’t end up like this woman. Don’t blame having sex for this. Blame this woman for being irresponsible and an awful parent.
@@McDougal_ Alyssa should’ve been put in foster care as a baby if that’s true.. A 14 year old can’t raise a child, they’re still a child themselves..
as a child, i remember a few times burying dead birds cuz i felt bad for them.. i don't think that specifically was very suspicious
No it’s really not.
Agreed, but maybe they assumed she killed them first
They assumed looking at her troubled self she might have killed them and tried to make it sound better
I just had a very violent urge to hug you as a child
Hi! I love the way you take time to explain these cases the best you can. You're a very talented story teller and I'm super happy to have found this channel 🥰😍
I live 3 miles away from where this happened. It was such a sad case at the time, especially since I was the same age as Elizabeth.
i can't help but feel the tiniest bit of sympathy for alyssa - as an emo kid and someone who deals with a lot of things she does mentally (of course not as extreme). i would never go to lengths like this, but it sucks knowing that if she had just gotten the proper amount of help and not just meds then this could have been prevented
and also a lot of the stuff she did online + the bedroom wall writing stuff was a pretty popular thing in the emo scene at the time i think
I agree. She was clearly suffering a lot. I see this whole tragedy as mostly the failure of the mental health + childcare system to allow Alyssa's psyche to degrade to this point. As well as her terrible neglectful parents, of course.
i feel so horrible about what happened to elizabeth. she truly didn't deserve to die at such a young age and so brutally and painfully. its truly horrific.
My mother was an abusive, neglectful, alcoholic. My grandparents also bought her a trailer, to stop us from bouncing from place to place, or sleeping in her old car. Especially so we'd stop staying around the strange men she'd stay with. We grew up in filth so I can empathize. However, none of us became sociopathic murderers. I became the mother of my sister who was 6 years younger, and my brother whos 2 years older. I did self harm, and have suicidal thoughts but I didn't have homicidal thoughts.....
I’ve seen the footage of when she confesses, and it’s heartbreaking. Heartbreaking in the sense that her grandmother starts wailing in pure grief. I can’t imagine how she felt- she rescued her grandkids from that horrid situation, raised them with as much love as she could possibly give, and then the grandkid she worked so hard to get help for still throws it all away in the cruelest of fashions, by taking an innocent child’s life. It’s truly so hard to hear. My heart goes out to the victims family, as well as for her grandparents and siblings. I hope they all get the chance to eventually heal from this.
My heart breaks for Elizabeth and her family. She was just a baby. I can't even imagine 😭
I can't imagine either. But I also can't imagine someone having parents who are so neglectful it drives their child to murder.
This case has always disburbed me... such a senseless crime that little girl did nothing to deserve this...
Those kids sure as hell didn't ask to have neglectful fucks as family. Or even really to be born. If she didn't have those kids in the first place and overdosed or someshit none of it would've happened.
Was a nice disturbing entertaining story though.
When I took prozac when I was in inpatient it made me black out and I fought another patient that was bullying me in the adolescent wing. The hospital at the time had me on 5 mg but they “accidentally” gave me 20 mg for two days straight. A lot of these physicians forget that a lot of these uppers have a lot of side effects of down tendencies. I am not making excuses for her but as for someone who was on Prozac it scared me and I stopped taking it 2 years later. They should of monitor her in a close environment.
I have prozac for anxiety and honestly all it does is add a layer of brain fog on top of my anxiety lol. I wish people would realize it's not a fix-all solution and that it can fail many people. I have been on prozac for a few years and it doesn't do much aside from add brain fog to the mix
@@infamous_orb I'm basically forced to. I want to get off it though eventually.
@@infamous_orb not everyone commenting on this site is an adult
Oh my goodness......this case literally takes place in my hometown and I've never heard of this. The scream I scrumpt when you revealed the location!!
lol crazy seeing all the jeff city girls here
“Scrumpt” lmao
I was on Prozac and it’s a well known fact within the mental health field (or at least with the psychiatrists I’ve seen) that anti depressants can act funky with people that are bipolar. I was super aggressive on Prozac, and while I didn’t kill anyone I do believe it is important to note. Such a sad case for all family’s.
Not only that but in certain cases it can actually make suicidal thoughts even worse every time I tried a new antidepressant my psychiatrists always reminded of this and to notify them if that were to occur
Dude I don’t blame the boyfriend at all, being 15 he might not have known, but had he gone to the police it’s possible they could have found no evidence if they even believed him, and if she found out he told who knows what could have happened.
He was 17
41:55 I’m tearing up. I’m so sad bro Istg. I really appreciate the highlight you put on the victims rather than the killers. It’s really nice to see.
when i was like 11 or 12 i had a wicked ear infection and i binged a bunch of videos about this case. scared the hell out of me then and it still does now.
It's not about the fact that there isn't any fanart or fan accounts for Elizabeth because that would be profiting off of someones death. Fanart and fan accounts should not be something that is on either side of this. I really wish that people would understand that having fan accounts and making fan art of killers should not be a thing since it is glamourising someone that has done such a horrible thing and how that could effect the families that have had someone they love taken from them.
I’m not understanding how the grandparents were five minutes away and let the neglect get so bad that was literally the point of them moving so the grandparents could watch over them
Right? Makes you not really wonder why the mom turned out the way she did or how Alyssa was driven to murder.
This case was extremely sad. I’ve watched so many of your videos of the past week and this one just truly hurt to hear. I bawled my eyes out when you went over the confession and then even more when you mentioned her casket was pink, and then EVEN more when I remembered you said her favorite color was pink at the beginning of the video😭 Thank you for sharing those things about Elizabeth, she seemed like a truly amazing little girl! My prayers go out to the family🩷
She gives scene kids a bad name
REALLL I WAS THINKING THAT
nahhh don't say that bro.
thats like saying all gay ppl r bad because 1 gay person is a murderer.
it's called prejudice
As a scene kid
Oh
As a scene kid I’m scared😭
awww dang it
The fact that she was denied parole this year in July and everyone’s mad about her not being treated fairly… Her taking a child’s life wasn’t fair either. Life isn’t fair and you have to deal with the consequences of your actions. The only way she should ever be released is to a mental hospital.
Not that it applies to this story specifically but it’s ironic that a murderer would even have the option to plead insanity. Of course they’re insane. I would think anyone that took a life would have to be insane.
Anyway love your videos!
exactly, i swear ppl on tt stay glazing her… its so weird
I literally get so excited when you post. I look forward to Wednesdays just simply because you post your visual podcast videos. you're a legend and I look forward to watching your videos. ILY 🥰
Before I make the rest of my comment, let me just say I'm in no way suggesting she's not responsible for her actions, but listening to details about her childhood reminds me of my daughter's partner's son. He's 5 now, & before his father got custody of him, he was living with his mother, who is an active drug addict, who still shows no signs of getting sober, with parents that are very enabling. When his father got custody & he moved in with them, & my daughter's previous 2 children, there were SO MANY things to fix. His eyes didn't work properly, he couldn't speak very well, he struggled with food behaviors, he was terrified of the bath & we eventually learned he had almost drowned, he was very inward & quiet & traumatized, & its take more than a year to really address the issues, but now he's like a "normal" child, he plays, he talks, he learns, he goes to school, & we're starting to see some great things like his apptitude for computers & technology or his creativity with Legos. As the couselor also commented, meds don't fix mental health problems, they can help, but MUST be combined with additional therapies & tools. I also had a hard childhood, I also was filled with rage, I would hunt & kill frogs sometimes, there are several details like that, that make me wonder if I hadn't been lucky in the peopleI met, would I have fallen into a pit of anger, that got so bad I started hunting people? I feel bad for the victim, her family,the community, but I also feel bad for her.
You can feel bad for the killers past, just don’t forget what she did… Many have gone through horrible things similar and don’t end up murdering anyone... Alyssa had an awful time being raised and life failed her.. but that doesn’t excuse her taking another innocent child’s life..
@@KingOfGaymes yes, but then again, she was still pretty much a child. No one helped her.
Exactly. She wasn't given anything to be fixed other than a diagnosis and drugs. It makes me wonder if the hospital that was treating her even knew about her past. Or if they just didn't do anything about it.
you can just say step granddaughter
Oh. Possible for payroll today… great to hear. Forever terrified.
Nobody who shows signs or early symptoms of bipolar disorder should ever be put on an antidepressant or SSRI. They make things 1000 times worse, and I’m not surprised at all to hear how it escalated Alyssa got. Of course not to the same extreme, but I was put on an SSRI at 14 as someone with bipolar disorder and I had to be hospitalized two times for self harm ideation. It is absolutely ridiculous to put anybody on an SSRI without being checked for possible mood disorders, because these anti-depressants are detrimental to those with any sort of bipolar.
So many adults are put on the wrong meds because to them their manic symptoms aren’t an issue, so they don’t get brought up, so they only talk about their depression and get put on SSRI’s. It’s ridiculous how little society cares about this
omg this makes so much sense to me now, i was on ssri and my mood issues got worse, therapist suspects i’m bipolar
I think a really sad part of this story is that Alyssa so clearly and desperately needed so much psychological help but instead they just filled her with high doses of SSRIs at such a young age which can’t be good for anyone when your brain chemistry is already so volatile at that time in one’s life.
ssris are one of the most effective forms of treatment for teenagers lol. without them I'd probably be dead rn. meds *are* psychological help, they're more effective than therapy by themselves (although you can only get the full benefits from a combination of meds and therapy.) she definitely needed more help than she got, but don't blame medication for the murder lmfao that's just so incredibly unhelpful.
It’s actually a low dose for Prozac (fluoxetine) and she could have majorly benefited from a higher dose while also having therapy. When I was on Prozac it actually didn’t help me at all and it turned out I needed a different form of SSRI, but now I’m on an SNRI called Cymbalta (duloxetine). Like the other comment here, I’d be dead if I wasn’t given medications.
@@humanname99 I wasn’t trying to blame the murder on medication bruh chill I was just saying she needed MORE HELP than just the meds they gave her lmfao
@@stardust.and.moonlight 20mg is the low to normal dose FOR ADULTS. Granted she probably could’ve benefited from that dose had she also gotten proper therapy to go with it but 20-25 is a normal to high dose for a child as doses for children starts at half of an adult serving.
@@trippyinsomniac3667 those types of drugs aren't done on height/weight they have a min dose and a max dose, it's likley she was on the lower dose, but I agree with you that medication alone would not have done any good as it's part of a wider treatment plan.
This is so sad 🥺😭
From the way you described Elizabeth it sounds like her and I had a lot of similar interests and we were the same age and I also lived in Missouri. I wish I could’ve met her maybe we could’ve been friends. Her life was taken WAY to soon and I hope she is resting in peace 😢
@@infamous_orb i wonder if you'll still feel that way when your child gets murdered.
Thankyou for approaching this from the victims perspectiVe. It’s usually the other way around in coverage.
Every single child in this story (including Alyssa) was failed. Alyssa was showing so many signs that she was a danger to herself and others. Obviously Alyssa and Emma's parents were abusive and neglectful, but even after they escaped that situation and were with their grandparents they were still being neglected just not as obviously. Yes she was getting some help but she should have been committed and they shouldn't have allowed the kids to be alone with her without adult supervision. This isn't just an evil teen; this was massively preventable. I understand you can do everything right in these situations and still fail, but to me it sounds like Alyssa had way too much freedom to abuse her siblings which failed them and then ultimately Elizabeth too, but she was also being failed because she needed help too. This is such a sad story. I hope Alyssa has changed as a person in prison and I hope Emma and the brother are okay now and they've all healed. I find it hard to comprehend in my brain how to feel about Alyssa because normally I find it easy to symphasise with killers pasts if they did experience trauma while also hating what they did and feeling no sympathy for the killing of that present, but in this case it's so interlocked it's hard for me to comprehend it all. Like how should I feel about her? I literally cried at the description of Elizabeth's funeral. It sounded very bitter sweet and I'm glad she had that princess send off at least
the fact she dug two graves makes me think she was planning to kill both elizbeth and emily. also since she wrote her sisters name by the body on her wall with slash marks, im so glad she didnt
Hailey, I got so excited when I saw you posted a video 5 hours ago. You have no idea how much your content helps me. Your videos are the highlight of my week!
I'm equally disgusted by the case but also by Alyssas mom. Imagine bringing multiple children in this world and forcing so much trauma on them that one of them commits murder.
So sad this almost could of been prevented if they took her illnesses and threats seriously 😢
I was locked up in residential for 3 years after several hospitilizations due to consuming lethal things (full bottle of tylenol, rubbing alcohol, bleach), self harming, burning, carving words into my skin, biting myself, scratching myself, etc. I also grew up fairly neglected, was diagnosed with BPD, PTSD, and depression after experimenting with antidepressants and self harming for quite some time and then attempted suicide thru rubbing alcohol & tylenol. I understand alot of what alyssa has been through, except for the harm she caused upon other people. I have had outbursts and harmed people, but the one difference seems to be psychopathic/ apathetic traits, actively searching ways to cause harm onto others for enjoyment whereas I would never hurt someone on purpose for fun. Just by being triggered deeply, especially when it catches me off guard and I have no time to regulate. All in all, i think there is a chance that if she had been given more attention and proper medication, therapy, time, and love, all of these horrible things might have been able to be avoided.. this is so sad to hear because I resonate so deeply with her. I feel like I've lived through her experiences and it makes me wonder what happened to me to prevent the same fate from occurring in my life. I'm 21 now, medicated and stable, and my life is honestly pretty amazing now. I wonder what hers would have been like if she had gotten any kind of semi-permanent help and thourough attention.
Thanks for sharing, it is nice to hear that you are doing so well. Keep going, maybe your story will reach the right kid when they need it most.
to anyone watching in 2024: her parole got denied and her next hearing got pushed back to 2029. hopefully she rots in there.
watching this in 2024 is even scarier, just the fact that a killer can be out there walking the streets is wild to me
they changed her sentence to 2037 i think
Don’t mean to add trauma to this but Prozac was the only medication I tried that made my depression worse. Within a month of starting I tried to off myself and my mom had to call my psychiatrist. I never even realized I was getting worse I just suddenly felt empty
Not to invalidate your experience antidepressants are really personal, but this is a potential side effect of all antidepressants. Sorry just these comments are so crazy that I want people to know that it’s totally fine to take Prozac if it works for you. Hailey kinda demonized it in this video and experts in the comments have pointed out that the dosage is fine. You can get this with any psych med
It happened to me as well.
Same thing for me. Which medication actually helped you?
@@elinag274 Wellbutrin helped even me out
I was on prozac at... 12? Not really sure. Made me so much worse, still trying to get my shit together
This happened locally when I was in high school and I’ve been waiting for a TH-camr to pick up this story. Thank you!
Literally so ready to spend hours listening to you bestie
This hurt me so much. Poor girl. She truly didn’t deserve it.
This is EVERY parents nightmare. This is so tragic, poor little girl, poor mother. I can only imagine the pain the mother felt.
This is such an unfortunate situation. I hope Alyssa has gotten the help she needed and may Elizabeth rest in peace
Ever since I started watching you I’ve been a lot more grounded! Tysm for these videos ❤
I feel so bad for the family of Elizabeth and Dustin. Alyssa is getting glamorized by social media while people that Alyssa hurt will forever be haunted by how sick Alyssa is.
She also knew it was wrong because in her journal she wrote "once you get past the 'what am I doing this is wrong' it feels great" or something like that
I agree that she was wrong, but her mental health was nit good at all and if she had gotten the right help she wouldn’t have done that
@@Kittenlover33145 no excuse for killing though
@@galbeachei ik
The more I hear about her journal the more I'm convinced she could have been in the beginning of, if not in active psychosis.
Omg so I did some digging looking at her reposted youtube videos and peolpe were praising her SHE SLAUGHTERED A LITTLE GIRL. These comments were like “she’s so pretty, free Alyssa, she did no wrong,” etc etc, WTF she killed someone.
yeah i know, i found out most them are white too.. (no hate, just maority of them being white doesnt make white people look good.. LOL)
what is the channel??!
im the same age as elizabeth. it absolutely breaks my heart. rest in peace princess elizabeth. we will remember you.
ur 9?
she should never get out of prison. i don't think she's sorry about what she did, either. lots of people go through abuse as kids; they don't all end up committing murder. there's no excuse for what she did. she should stay in prison for the rest of her days.
hi hailey! I know this has nothing to do with the video, but your voice is actually so calming and nice
omfg i love ur fatal frame pfp (im a fan)
This happened in my hometown and I remember it very clearly. It was a very sad and weird time for our area of Missouri. I feel like this story wasn’t covered enough as I was growing up.
This is why I hate people who pretend to be crazy or want to be. They think it’s so cool quirky but it really sad and this is an example. I have a friend who wants to be psycho. She is unaware of what it actually like and dismisses when I try to explain that it not “I’m crazy and insane and that makes my quirky and not like everyone else” so I hope she learns soon.
Hey Hailey! Love your channel, you’re such a cool person and I look up to you since we’re the same age and you have this amazing youtube channel already. If you’re ever in a situation when you don’t know what to watch I think you’d like a series called “Girl From Nowhere”, it’s kind of underrated I guess yet I get the feeling that you’ll like it, it reminds me of you. Anyways even if you won’t watch it it doesn’t matter, thank you for your videos and I wish you even more success.
Glad to meet you! I've been going down true crime rabbit holes at work and I'm happy to have stumbled across you. Your voice is soothing and I can't wait to peruse your channel!
Alyssa’s legal team trying to make a case for her increased prozac prescription as lowering her inhibitions made me think of another TH-camr that I sometimes watch. They had been prescribed Paxil, another type of SSRI, when they were just a teenager and it, in their own phrasing, sent them psychotic, and they did some really horrific things (self-injurious).
Are you talking about of herbs and alters? I love their channel!
That’s what we in the industry call “bullshit.”
@@isabelladasilva6674 bro i was thinking the same thing i love dorian
@@AuthentiKaate "the industry" ... reddit doesn't count as a degree
@@AuthentiKaateWellbutrin sent me into a year long psychosis… but whatever u say..
The people making fan clubs and stuff should for sure be put on a watch list of some type.