I can imagine in afterlife, Tywin make a neverending lecture to Cersei and Jaime as their punishment like: "I can't believe both of you are responsible for The War of 5 Kings because you two are producing inbreed! Not once, not twice but thrice!" "So, Ned Stark was right the whole time! I'm so embarrased to see my family legacy ruined because of you two!" "That dwarf Tyrion is still alive and he's the tallest Lannister now!" "You, Jaime, is this the reason why you don't marry? Because you're in love with your twin? What is wrong with you?" "And, Cersei. Where do I even begin? Fine! You are spoiled princess who's been dreaming for a long time and only likes to drink wine! Power is power? No, my dumb daughter! You need knowledge to gain power! That's why I was always studying in every aspect to learn every enemy and their history. All of this happened because of a properchy that haunt you since you were a child that a younger woman will defeat you? And one more thing, you are not a good mother because you were spoiling Joffrey too much and you forgot your 2 other children!"
@@Max_Da_G Tywin's sister told him that but Tywin didn't want to accept it. Tywin wanted to believe his "golden twins" were his true heirs and Tyrion was just a little misshapen monster. He did not want to believe Tyrion was his true heir and the golden twins were a disaster in the making.
@@ComradeSlice To be fair, Jamie wasn't a disaster in the making. He had decency and fairness, which unfortunately were missed due to him being also fairly arrogant regarding his fighting abilities and refusing to disclose reasons for some of the more controversial things he had done. But Cersei indeed was. An arrogant smug woman that learnt some tricks of trade, but had no idea when and how to use them.
Lady Olenna gave her the 'that's why I'm the one who killed your son, stupid ass bitch' look at the end when Cersei thought she'd won the argument. Lol.
@@bt3376 You say that like Cersei’s bloodline is still alive 😂😂 She hates Tyrion so she wouldn’t even care that he was alive 😂😂 I love how this comment mirrors Cersei’s tunnel vision, thinking she one upped someone
Cersei is so inept. Tywin used this intimidation tactic 1:10 only on people over whom he had full dominance, he never used it on any of his rivals. Tywin himself spoke charismatically to Olenna because he understood full well that she herself is a powerful woman. Lannisters might be stronger than Tyrells, but it's not a house the Lannisters can defeat without a serious cost.
@@madzerincognito9732 Yes, he was doing it precisely in Tyrion's presence to show how little importance Tyrion has and how Tywin holds all the power. It's a classic intimidation tactic. Very efficient when used correctly but very pathetic when used incorrectly 1:09
I always took it as he was drafting the order to put Loras in the Kingsguard - he made the threat of it, then basically picked up the quill again and asked "should I make the appointment" or something to that effect, to which Ollena took the quill, complimented him for actually living up to his reputation, and broke it to signify she was on board
"The famously tart-tongued Queen of Thorns." "And the famous tart, Queen Cersei." You're never going to win in a verbal sparring match with Olenna, Cersei. You might throw a decent burn every now and then but she throws back wildfire.
I'm pretty sure it's "tart" because it (tart) has multiple meanings; in addition to the way that Olenna used it(sexually provocative or "slutty") it can also mean sharp tongued or flamboyant, sarcastic.
She picked up the writing or pretending to write tactic from Tywin. He's shown multiple times writing or do something else to show the person he's speaking to is barely worth his attention as a way of displaying dominance and of course Cersei thinks of herself as "Tywin with teats". Neat little detail.
Even better, olenna knew about that bullshit already. And she was right, cersei had nothing important to write, cersei even stopped when olenna left the room.
Cersei’s mistake was thinking she, the Queen mother, had the same power/importance as the hand of the king. Olenna saw right through that fake display of power.
and Tywin was always right about Cersei -- he didn't disrespect her because she's a woman. In fact, Tywin never showed disrespect to women -- he refused to allow Joffrey to humiliate Sansa, he enjoyed Arya's company and treated her with more respect than any of the other men in the kingdom. He disrespected Cersei because she thinks she's smarter than she is. And right here.. . she is so sure she knows what will happen. She knows nothing.
Yeah and that’s what makes it funny. Tywin legitimately had important things to write down and was drafting/passing legislation because he was actually smart and had responsibilities. All Cersei took way from that was a tactic that Olenna (who also is smart) saw right through. Tywin was right about his daughter, she always thought she was smarter than she really was.
Cersei is using a quill to write but she never actually dips it in ink apart from the ending. She actually was only pretending to write cause she wants to be like Tywin.
That is why Cersei could never outright kill Tyrion. Tyrion was more like Tywin than any of them. Tywin hated Tyrion b/c he saw himself in a drunk whoring dwarf.
Cersei was a singularly dangerous character in Game of Thrones -- Smart and clever enough to be a serious threat, but shortsighted and foolish enough to see her plans routinely blow up in her own face.
@@everythingeverywhere-r1c she was clever and some what new where she stood. But like her father said she thinks she far smarter than she is. She thinks things will just go her way. At far worse she acts out of emotional impulse for any slight.
Funny thing is, that’s exactly how everyone whose faces Cersei has ‘lost’. Everyone assumes she’s at least smart and politically savvy and they assume that she knows the dangers her plans could cause and how they could spectacularly blow up in her face. They don’t factor in that she is in fact a short sighted and impulsive idiot who takes the first chance she can get to take down an enemy, and thus don’t assume she’ll make a move that will hurt them but in the end hurt her more. She basically the physical version of “knowing how to play the game doesn’t mean you’re good at it”.
Yes. Cersei said that she always listened to him. But she failed to see that he put his feelings aside for the better of his house. Without Tyrells House Lannister would crumble into nothing long ago.
Better yet, Tywin knew who he could screw with and who he couldn’t. Anyone beneath him got the treatment of him doing something else as they tried to get a conversation from him. But Olenna, a fellow equal in the gift of gab and necessary ally, wasn’t one to be put in her place. She was an equal player on the negotiating table, requiring the respect and caution required. It was how Tywin allowed jabs at him during the verbal skirmish and still win. Cersei, on the other hand, didn’t seem to get the memo that she was dealing with a strategic powerhouse….or rather several. The one person she shouldn’t have treated as lesser on the negotiating table and she did it without a second thought, showing her narcissistic view. Of course that was after she started picking a fight with the Tyrells in the open where as Tywin did so with subterfuge.
I do like the arc of this scene. Cersei "play acting" Tywin even down to his mannerisms but failing badly in even understanding the short sighted self destructive approach of her actions. Her writing obviously just to show off was the perfect look back to Tywin. With one move she lost close to half of her military support and made an enemy out of her most important ally. Cersei was dangerous like a thug is. Cruel and able to do anything but at the same time too stupid to lead anyone or anything. She would have been a great master of spies with Tyrion as political leader.
Cersei is so blinded by her desperation to somehow "protect Tommen" from Margaery that she thinks House Lannister can somehow stand on its own. She makes enemies out of allies and has a habit of turning her greatest assets into her enemy's assets.
1:09 Olenna opens the sparring match with brutal uppercut to gain advantage right out of the gates by tricking Cersei into forgetting about the writing charade by calling her a Tart and proving that she was right that Cersei was faking while also delivering a savage burn about Cersei’s well known promiscuity 😂😂
0:10 me predicting the fate of season 8 when they announced it was the final season have only 6 episodes and there were still so many major storylines to wrap up
Well the only people who hate them are, most of the north, the whole of Dornne, the reach, the Erie, the Dragon Queen, Tyrion, most of the people in Kimgslanding, the faith militen, the high sparrow, and every single pesent in Westoros. So..... I guess a few people dislike them.
She said "House Lannister has no rival" - Much different meaning than no enemies. In Season 1 she even says "Everyone who is not us is our enemy." th-cam.com/video/yXezu8yxEn8/w-d-xo.html
"House Lannister has no rival" I think Tywin might have said the same in that situation. But the difference is that Tywin acted in logic based on reality while Cersei acted with emotions though she can grasp the reality. She did learn her father's skills to handle people perfectly but she missed many things behind that.
@@TeeAiDee tywin wasnt stupid tyrell was rich in harvest manpower and wealth sure the lanister have the advantage in military power but even tywin admited that the tyrell probally had more money.
Cersei is trying to play at a much higher level than she's capable of. The only thing she has are resources. She doesn't have the skill or strategic understanding to properly deploy them.
I loved her pathetic attempt to emulate her father at 1:09. When Tywin did it, it meant something. When she does it, it makes her look childish, petty, and foolish.
The difference between Cersei and Tywin is that he would’ve kept on working and not faked it until ollenna left because he was confident in his decisions and wasn’t gloating over pulling one on olenna tyrell
Exactly. In truth, he would have stopped writing because Olenna being there meant they had important things to discuss. But had he not stopped writing, it would have been cause he had some important things to write down (like he always did) while still giving Olenna full attention... cause they had important things to discuss, lol
You think you can smell it from 5 miles I can smell the bullshit from KL across a screen God is Olenna absolutely amazing she and Varys, Littlefinger and Tyrion and are just beautiful
The quote Olenna told Cersei about Tywin than they should work with each other rather than destroy is right. Cersei was so brutal and evil that it was impossible for her to rule for a long time without being killed at some point, like the mad king was
Every time Tywin wrote something they always made an effort to show how Tywin was genuinely writing. So this is how I know that Cersei is imitating her father lol.
The moment Cersei lost was when at the “As I said” line. It showed she was losing her grip on the conversation and was on the defensive. The tone of voice said it all, how she was trying desperately to project authority.
Cersei thought she was so clever arming the sparrows and setting them on the Tyrells...but its so satisfying watching it all backfire when they start looking into her shit😂
This scene is interesting when you look at it from the perspective of what each Lannister child received from their father Tywin. Jaime got his martial skill, Tyrion his wit and intelligence, and Cersei his ruthlessness. These things together made Tywin an apt politician and player of the game, yet apart? Well it becomes rather clear through Cersei how ruthlessness alone isn’t what made Tywin as successful as he was.
Only Diana Rigg could get away with saying to Natalie Dormer “get some rest dear you look appalling” That said, there are little cues of fatigue in her voice and the way she is carrying herself that were clear choices. Margaery is as sharp as ever but we did have to bring in the ringer for this one. 🥰
@@pyromaniac709Have you seen pictures of Diana Rigg as a young woman? I’d say she was about as good-looking as Natalie Dormer herself. Not only that, her character is particularly gutsy so that statement that could be harsh is not inappropriately harsh coming from her xD. You just take her as “yeah she’s probably right”
@@MalloryNewcomb yes and it's also the familiarity with which a mother/grandmother will speak with a daughter. No male family member could have gotten away with saying that to her.
Cersei was always so inept when it came to the zealouts that she tried to weaponize for her own ends. Useful tip: Never create a weapon that you cannot control or disable.
I understand that season 8 had many dialogue and plot issues. But like.... how did King's Landing become a desert. Look at all the trees around it here. In season 7 the trees weren't there either but at least there was grass when the Unsullied assembled outside the walls. In 8 there were no trees, not even stumps. So you can't even argue they chopped them down for firewood for the Winter or to keep the trees back so enemies can't use then for cover. Very odd.
Look, best I got is that Drogon was chasing butterflies just before Missandei’s beheading, maybe he got carried away? He is a behemoth after all I agree, stupid continuity errors by Dumb and Dumber.
😂 😂 I love this part. When Cersei Try to be charismatic when she writ nothing. that's show us how Tywin was smart and he rely was wraiting somthing imbortant. when cersei just playing.. Tywin was right when he said" you are not smart as you think you are"
@@fatemakadhimahmed576 English is not my mother tongue. I am trying to learn it now. And through your account name, I can say that you are an Arab, just like me😑
Hahahaha! I just realized that Olenna had to know Cersei wasn’t writing anything from the start, because Cersei didn’t have any wax melting to actually seal the letter.
The countryside around King's Landing sure does look different in S5. All we needed for it to make a _little_ sense in S8 was one line from Qyburn; "At your command, we've stripped the ground bare. Lumber for the scorpions, and no army can approach unseen." Even though the landscape is a different shape later on, that would have sold it well enough.
Interestingly, Cersei is quick to accuse Olenna of making underhanded comments, which were actually very blunt, Then she herself does exactly that; "House Lannister has no rivals." What she's actually saying here, is that she doesn't see their house as being challenging enough to consider them as a valid rival. Notice, Olenna picks up on it, doesn't say another word, And instead, almost decides right then and there to plot her revenge on Cersei. Besides, if Cersei doesn't see her as a threat, she will never suspect it. Sure enough, she doesn't.
Although Cersei made this happen olenna is basically telling her 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. Cersei thinks the faith are her allies but olena can smell it 5 mile away that they will eventually betray and sure enough......
1:57 “As for your veiled threats?” “What veil?” Ladies and Gentlemen, I present Lady Olenna of House Tyrell. The Queen of Thorns. Patron saint of the church of “Too old to give a fck” and lobber of nuclear verbal grenades. I would have taken an entire season of nothing but Olenna roasting the shit out of EVERYONE on the show (I think even the Night King wouldn’t want a bar of the new asshole she would tear him) over the abomination that was S8. Unfortunate Dame Dianna Rigg has left us, rest her glorious soul, but what I would have given for her to don the Olenna getup and do a “review/roast” of the final season.
@@looneyburgmusic maybe that was another one of the gates to enter the city, remember the city is huge and has many gates, also I think having crops and trees around the city makes more sense to feed it's habitants
@@carlosg2541 Except you can see the entire city in one shot - it's got water around one side, then all forest. We should have been able to see the desert as well.
Imagine if _Dynasty's_ Joan Collins and Stephanie Beecham joined the show as rival dynastic matriarchs up against Diana Rigg. Olenna even has the shoulder pads.
I wondered the same thing, so looked it up in one of the European history books I have from the late 19th/early 20th Centuries, (gifts from my grandfather a long time ago), and "quill pen", "quill" or "pen" are all correct terms. Since G.R.R.M. based ASoFaI on Euro-history calling it a pen would be ok...
Plot twist: She was actually writing the season 8 script.
Explains season 8 Tyrion
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LMAO! Put this into the Top-Comments!
That explains why it was garbage. 🤣
This comment shows how meme ridden and crap the TH-cam comments sections have become.
"You could smell the shit from 5 miles away"
How Olenna basically sees everyone in a nutshell
She saw the season 8 script
Except Brienne of Tarth 🙌
I didn't even know they used that metric system, 😂
@@thanman6584 "You could smell the shit from 8.047e+3 meters away"
"You could smell the shit from 5 seasons away!"
"I don't distrust you because you're a woman, I distrust you because you're not as smart as you think you are." ~ SAVAGE Tywin Lannister
He was spot on .....about her she want only power power But make enemies with that
I can imagine in afterlife, Tywin make a neverending lecture to Cersei and Jaime as their punishment like:
"I can't believe both of you are responsible for The War of 5 Kings because you two are producing inbreed! Not once, not twice but thrice!"
"So, Ned Stark was right the whole time! I'm so embarrased to see my family legacy ruined because of you two!"
"That dwarf Tyrion is still alive and he's the tallest Lannister now!"
"You, Jaime, is this the reason why you don't marry? Because you're in love with your twin? What is wrong with you?"
"And, Cersei. Where do I even begin? Fine! You are spoiled princess who's been dreaming for a long time and only likes to drink wine! Power is power? No, my dumb daughter! You need knowledge to gain power! That's why I was always studying in every aspect to learn every enemy and their history. All of this happened because of a properchy that haunt you since you were a child that a younger woman will defeat you? And one more thing, you are not a good mother because you were spoiling Joffrey too much and you forgot your 2 other children!"
@@margarethmichelina5146 I'd have expected him to finally realize that Tyrion was literally the smartest of his children.
@@Max_Da_G Tywin's sister told him that but Tywin didn't want to accept it. Tywin wanted to believe his "golden twins" were his true heirs and Tyrion was just a little misshapen monster. He did not want to believe Tyrion was his true heir and the golden twins were a disaster in the making.
@@ComradeSlice To be fair, Jamie wasn't a disaster in the making. He had decency and fairness, which unfortunately were missed due to him being also fairly arrogant regarding his fighting abilities and refusing to disclose reasons for some of the more controversial things he had done. But Cersei indeed was. An arrogant smug woman that learnt some tricks of trade, but had no idea when and how to use them.
Cersei: As for your veiled threats.
Olenna: What veil?
Cersei: 😤
O: "He understood that sometimes we must work with our rivals rather than destroy them."
C: "House Lannister has no rival."
O: 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Flash Back
Tywin: The Tyrells are our only true rival in terms of resources and we need them on our side.
Tywin is rolling in his grave
Lady Olenna gave her the 'that's why I'm the one who killed your son, stupid ass bitch' look at the end when Cersei thought she'd won the argument. Lol.
And Cersei wiped her bloodline out
@@bt3376 Given her own bloodline is all but dead now, who's really laughing?
@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 😂😂😂
And more embarassing, The Tyrells got better deaths than her and Jaime = Died by a fucking brick!
@@bt3376 You say that like Cersei’s bloodline is still alive 😂😂 She hates Tyrion so she wouldn’t even care that he was alive 😂😂 I love how this comment mirrors Cersei’s tunnel vision, thinking she one upped someone
Cersei is so inept. Tywin used this intimidation tactic 1:10 only on people over whom he had full dominance, he never used it on any of his rivals. Tywin himself spoke charismatically to Olenna because he understood full well that she herself is a powerful woman. Lannisters might be stronger than Tyrells, but it's not a house the Lannisters can defeat without a serious cost.
He was really writing something, like that letter to Freys, she just pretending
@@madzerincognito9732 Yes, he was doing it precisely in Tyrion's presence to show how little importance Tyrion has and how Tywin holds all the power. It's a classic intimidation tactic. Very efficient when used correctly but very pathetic when used incorrectly 1:09
Youre really clever
Twin was the backbone of the Lannisters
I always took it as he was drafting the order to put Loras in the Kingsguard - he made the threat of it, then basically picked up the quill again and asked "should I make the appointment" or something to that effect, to which Ollena took the quill, complimented him for actually living up to his reputation, and broke it to signify she was on board
"The famously tart-tongued Queen of Thorns."
"And the famous tart, Queen Cersei."
You're never going to win in a verbal sparring match with Olenna, Cersei. You might throw a decent burn every now and then but she throws back wildfire.
taught-tongued actually lol
The High Sparrow got the better of her.
I'm pretty sure it's "tart" because it (tart) has multiple meanings; in addition to the way that Olenna used it(sexually provocative or "slutty") it can also mean sharp tongued or flamboyant, sarcastic.
Tywin won
@@rohansaji1082 Cersei is not Tywin, no matter how much she might think she is.
She picked up the writing or pretending to write tactic from Tywin. He's shown multiple times writing or do something else to show the person he's speaking to is barely worth his attention as a way of displaying dominance and of course Cersei thinks of herself as "Tywin with teats". Neat little detail.
Even better, olenna knew about that bullshit already. And she was right, cersei had nothing important to write, cersei even stopped when olenna left the room.
Cersei’s mistake was thinking she, the Queen mother, had the same power/importance as the hand of the king. Olenna saw right through that fake display of power.
and Tywin was always right about Cersei -- he didn't disrespect her because she's a woman. In fact, Tywin never showed disrespect to women -- he refused to allow Joffrey to humiliate Sansa, he enjoyed Arya's company and treated her with more respect than any of the other men in the kingdom. He disrespected Cersei because she thinks she's smarter than she is. And right here.. . she is so sure she knows what will happen. She knows nothing.
Yeah and that’s what makes it funny. Tywin legitimately had important things to write down and was drafting/passing legislation because he was actually smart and had responsibilities. All Cersei took way from that was a tactic that Olenna (who also is smart) saw right through. Tywin was right about his daughter, she always thought she was smarter than she really was.
what you talking about? She was writing season 8 script at this very moment lol
"House Lannister has no rival"
*Intellect and wisdom has left the chat*
“Put the pen down, dear, we both know you’re not writing anything.”
🤣🤣🤣
@@Negus1k And she puts the pen back down again immediately after she leaves the room
Cersei is using a quill to write but she never actually dips it in ink apart from the ending. She actually was only pretending to write cause she wants to be like Tywin.
Really? You think??? :D
@@vcarcuro LMAO
That is why Cersei could never outright kill Tyrion. Tyrion was more like Tywin than any of them. Tywin hated Tyrion b/c he saw himself in a drunk whoring dwarf.
@@barbarafordham9185 Tywin was a drunk and a whore himself, he just hid it better
The page is blank lol
The famous Tart.... Queen Cersei lol
yes, we watched it too
@@aurboda The rest of us saw a comment that was six years old and moved on.
@@CornyBum and yet here you are commenting
@@esco819 ...specifically to a very recent comment, and now to one that's a day old. Feeling smart yet?
@@CornyBum under a 6 year old comment so ssshhhh
Cersi: "Ah yes, the famously tart-tounged Queen of Thorns"
Olenna: "And the famous Tart- Cersi"
How to fuck around and find out in two sentences.
Olena smelled the season 8 plot from 5 miles away...
Cersei was a singularly dangerous character in Game of Thrones -- Smart and clever enough to be a serious threat, but shortsighted and foolish enough to see her plans routinely blow up in her own face.
cersei wasnt smart at all. the thing with the cult was probably the dumbest thing anyone did in the whole show.
The stupid ones are more dangerous than the crazy ones
And too emotional to think clearly and grew bored easily
@@everythingeverywhere-r1c she was clever and some what new where she stood. But like her father said she thinks she far smarter than she is. She thinks things will just go her way. At far worse she acts out of emotional impulse for any slight.
Well said.
2:36 Olenna's reaction was spot on! She is so done with Cersei and her stupidity 😂😂
Olenna came here to do some high level politicking/negotiating. She's good at that, but failed to see that she was dealing with a shameless lunatic.
And that's funny cuz that's exactly what she says before she dies. That her failure in seeing the truth about cersei was a lack of imagination.
Cersei was not a ''lunatic'', just a not very smart and narcissistic woman...
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849after what she did to the sept it’s fair to say she was crazy
Funny thing is, that’s exactly how everyone whose faces Cersei has ‘lost’.
Everyone assumes she’s at least smart and politically savvy and they assume that she knows the dangers her plans could cause and how they could spectacularly blow up in her face.
They don’t factor in that she is in fact a short sighted and impulsive idiot who takes the first chance she can get to take down an enemy, and thus don’t assume she’ll make a move that will hurt them but in the end hurt her more.
She basically the physical version of “knowing how to play the game doesn’t mean you’re good at it”.
Tywin...never did _this_ to Olenna, he payed full attention to her and even poured her wine.
Yes. Cersei said that she always listened to him. But she failed to see that he put his feelings aside for the better of his house. Without Tyrells House Lannister would crumble into nothing long ago.
Better yet, Tywin knew who he could screw with and who he couldn’t. Anyone beneath him got the treatment of him doing something else as they tried to get a conversation from him. But Olenna, a fellow equal in the gift of gab and necessary ally, wasn’t one to be put in her place. She was an equal player on the negotiating table, requiring the respect and caution required. It was how Tywin allowed jabs at him during the verbal skirmish and still win. Cersei, on the other hand, didn’t seem to get the memo that she was dealing with a strategic powerhouse….or rather several. The one person she shouldn’t have treated as lesser on the negotiating table and she did it without a second thought, showing her narcissistic view. Of course that was after she started picking a fight with the Tyrells in the open where as Tywin did so with subterfuge.
Yeah. Because Him and Olenna actually had important shit to negotiate.
'You can smell the shit from 5 miles away' - Was she describing the approach of seasons 7 and 8?
“What veil?” Lol I loved Olenna. Just a shame she didn’t get to see Cersei die.
I do like the arc of this scene. Cersei "play acting" Tywin even down to his mannerisms but failing badly in even understanding the short sighted self destructive approach of her actions. Her writing obviously just to show off was the perfect look back to Tywin. With one move she lost close to half of her military support and made an enemy out of her most important ally. Cersei was dangerous like a thug is. Cruel and able to do anything but at the same time too stupid to lead anyone or anything. She would have been a great master of spies with Tyrion as political leader.
Cersei is so blinded by her desperation to somehow "protect Tommen" from Margaery that she thinks House Lannister can somehow stand on its own.
She makes enemies out of allies and has a habit of turning her greatest assets into her enemy's assets.
1:09 Olenna opens the sparring match with brutal uppercut to gain advantage right out of the gates by tricking Cersei into forgetting about the writing charade by calling her a Tart and proving that she was right that Cersei was faking while also delivering a savage burn about Cersei’s well known promiscuity 😂😂
She really wasn't writing anything, she stopped as soon as Olenna's back was turned XD
I love that part
She did it behind her back tho not in her face
1:22 Lady Olenna threw shade so HARD it blew back the skin on Cersei's eyes.
That's why she was the Queen of Thorns.
She said the famous what?
I didn't catch that?
@@sussybakka3120 The famous tart. It means a loose woman in British.
"What veil?"
Incredible.
I like how Kings's Landing looks beautiful and lavish here and a desert in season 7 or 8
0:10 me predicting the fate of season 8 when they announced it was the final season have only 6 episodes and there were still so many major storylines to wrap up
"get some rest, dear, you look appalling" to margaery is so funny because she looks like she always does
"House Lannister has no enemies" I don't think you're watching the same show as I am, Cersei.
Well the only people who hate them are, most of the north, the whole of Dornne, the reach, the Erie, the Dragon Queen, Tyrion, most of the people in Kimgslanding, the faith militen, the high sparrow, and every single pesent in Westoros. So..... I guess a few people dislike them.
She said "House Lannister has no rival" - Much different meaning than no enemies. In Season 1 she even says "Everyone who is not us is our enemy." th-cam.com/video/yXezu8yxEn8/w-d-xo.html
She means it in the sense; We have no equals.
You can’t quote something if it’s not word for word it’s “house Lannister has no rival”
I don't think *you're* watching the same show. Besides, you got burned alive so Stannis wouldn't have to shovel his driveway.
"House Lannister has no rival" I think Tywin might have said the same in that situation. But the difference is that Tywin acted in logic based on reality while Cersei acted with emotions though she can grasp the reality. She did learn her father's skills to handle people perfectly but she missed many things behind that.
She didn't say that. She said "House Lannister has no rival" which has a very different meaning.
@@moonbeeps Thanks I correct it!
"The Tyrells are our only true rivals in terms of resources and we need them at our side"- Tywin Lannister
Tywin wasn't arrogant enough to believe they had no rivals. To assume such a thing would be to lower his guard, something Tywin would never do.
@@TeeAiDee tywin wasnt stupid tyrell was rich in harvest manpower and wealth sure the lanister have the advantage in military power but even tywin admited that the tyrell probally had more money.
Cersei is trying to play at a much higher level than she's capable of. The only thing she has are resources. She doesn't have the skill or strategic understanding to properly deploy them.
The Tyrell family built their city on good taste and the principles of nature.
I loved her pathetic attempt to emulate her father at 1:09. When Tywin did it, it meant something. When she does it, it makes her look childish, petty, and foolish.
The lighting is beautiful in this show and in this scene in particular.
The difference between Cersei and Tywin is that he would’ve kept on working and not faked it until ollenna left because he was confident in his decisions and wasn’t gloating over pulling one on olenna tyrell
Tywin would have never give power to some fanatics in the first place
Exactly.
In truth, he would have stopped writing because Olenna being there meant they had important things to discuss.
But had he not stopped writing, it would have been cause he had some important things to write down (like he always did) while still giving Olenna full attention... cause they had important things to discuss, lol
I love this lady!!!! so sarcastic, so humorous!! Long live Lady Olenna!! muah
Well that comment didn't age well at all :-)
I agree XD
0:05 what happened to all those fields in season 8?
They kind of forgot
😅😅@@MindfulnessGamer
You think you can smell it from 5 miles I can smell the bullshit from KL across a screen
God is Olenna absolutely amazing she and Varys, Littlefinger and Tyrion and are just beautiful
The quote Olenna told Cersei about Tywin than they should work with each other rather than destroy is right. Cersei was so brutal and evil that it was impossible for her to rule for a long time without being killed at some point, like the mad king was
Cersei's atrocities and chaos is nowhere near the level of the ''mad king'', come on.
Every time Tywin wrote something they always made an effort to show how Tywin was genuinely writing.
So this is how I know that Cersei is imitating her father lol.
On top of that, she also stops writing the very moment Olenna leaves the room
@@the_convexx exactly
And people pointed out she only dipped her pen back near the end. Quills don't hold a lot of ink.
The famous tart queen cersei.... OUCH
The moment Cersei lost was when at the “As I said” line. It showed she was losing her grip on the conversation and was on the defensive. The tone of voice said it all, how she was trying desperately to project authority.
"You can smell the shit from 5 miles away" 🤣🤣
Gotta love how King's Landing is a completely different place in season 8.
At the end there you can see that Olenna was right Cersei wasn't actually writing anything lol
“Ah yes, the famous tart-tongued queen of thorns.” - Cersei Lannister
“And the famous tart, Quenn Cersei.” - Olenna Tyrell
Cersei thought she was so clever arming the sparrows and setting them on the Tyrells...but its so satisfying watching it all backfire when they start looking into her shit😂
"What veil?"
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDdd
Every scene with The Queen of Thorns was so great. One of my favorite characters.
This scene is interesting when you look at it from the perspective of what each Lannister child received from their father Tywin. Jaime got his martial skill, Tyrion his wit and intelligence, and Cersei his ruthlessness.
These things together made Tywin an apt politician and player of the game, yet apart? Well it becomes rather clear through Cersei how ruthlessness alone isn’t what made Tywin as successful as he was.
Only Diana Rigg could get away with saying to Natalie Dormer “get some rest dear you look appalling”
That said, there are little cues of fatigue in her voice and the way she is carrying herself that were clear choices. Margaery is as sharp as ever but we did have to bring in the ringer for this one. 🥰
What you mean ?
@@pyromaniac709Have you seen pictures of Diana Rigg as a young woman? I’d say she was about as good-looking as Natalie Dormer herself. Not only that, her character is particularly gutsy so that statement that could be harsh is not inappropriately harsh coming from her xD. You just take her as “yeah she’s probably right”
@@MalloryNewcomb Just looked into it. Wow you're right, she's a stunner!
She was one of The most stunning woman ever.
@@MalloryNewcomb yes and it's also the familiarity with which a mother/grandmother will speak with a daughter. No male family member could have gotten away with saying that to her.
You can see the little respect Olenna had for Cersei dripping away in this scene. Her face tells it all.
“What veil”? LMFAOOO YES!!!
1:12 “Ah yes, the famously tart-tongued Queen of Thorns”
*”And the famous tart, Queen Cersei”*
KILLS ME EVERY TIME
1:10 - Olenna when she saw the script for Season 8
A tradução desta cena ficou impecável!
"Oh sim, a língua da rainha dos espinhos"
"Oh e a rainha sem vergonha, Cersei"
Lady Tyrell drank poison to avoid appearing in season 8. Mic drop.
The writers kinda forgot that Kingslanding was surrounded by lush green landscape and not a desert
"what veil?" That gave me chills❤❤❤❤
If only Cersei was not obsessed with destroying the Tyrell's, Tommen would still be alive.
“Get some rest dear, you look appalling..” great line! 👌
They really look like a grandmother and a granddaughter
"House Lannister has no Rival."
"I guess you don't need the Gold, Wheat and Troops I just mentioned then."
LOL Olenna calling out Cersei's shit is priceless.
Cersei was always so inept when it came to the zealouts that she tried to weaponize for her own ends.
Useful tip: Never create a weapon that you cannot control or disable.
Cersei is the fantasy embodiement of CIA
Yup. Especially with her reputation. She has a longer list of 'sins' that would drive the faith nuts then Loras.
2:33
'House Lannister has no rival.'
The look on Olenna's face was pure: 'This bitch... Why do I even bother?'
such amazing actresses, both of them
I understand that season 8 had many dialogue and plot issues.
But like.... how did King's Landing become a desert. Look at all the trees around it here. In season 7 the trees weren't there either but at least there was grass when the Unsullied assembled outside the walls. In 8 there were no trees, not even stumps. So you can't even argue they chopped them down for firewood for the Winter or to keep the trees back so enemies can't use then for cover.
Very odd.
That was one of my biggest annoyances with season 8. Seeing Kings Landing become a desert made no sense
Look, best I got is that Drogon was chasing butterflies just before Missandei’s beheading, maybe he got carried away? He is a behemoth after all
I agree, stupid continuity errors by Dumb and Dumber.
😂 😂
I love this part. When Cersei
Try to be charismatic when she writ nothing. that's show us how Tywin was smart and he rely was wraiting somthing imbortant. when cersei just playing..
Tywin was right when he said" you are not smart as you think you are"
The amount of mistakes and misspelled words in your comment is just not scientifically possible unless you are under the age of 5
@@fatemakadhimahmed576 English is not my mother tongue. I am trying to learn it now. And through your account name, I can say that you are an Arab, just like me😑
@@أيمن-ظ8ن oh I see-
I'm sorry
@@fatemakadhimahmed576 stop being a jerk
The 'And what?' head tilt after she calls Cersei a tart.
Cersei mastered the technique of digging her own grave like no one else
Olenna is dealing with a child here.
“As for your veiled threats…”
“What veil?___”
“👁️👄👁️”
Hahahaha! I just realized that Olenna had to know Cersei wasn’t writing anything from the start, because Cersei didn’t have any wax melting to actually seal the letter.
I love how in this season kings landing is at the edge of a forest, and in season 8 it is at the edge of a desert.
The way Cersei could not even speak well cause Ollenna keeps cutting off 🤣🤣
Apart from the the pretend writing I think Cersei handled that pretty well
Yes, she did.
No she didn’t lmao
Ironically Cersei here speaks the truth while beliving she is lying. She believed she had control over the sparrows. She was very wrong.
0:51 If that's what "appalling" looks like, it's not fair to anyone else.
Man she really did a great job filling Tywin’s shoes. Remember all those times he asked for a personal apology 3 seconds into the conversation??
"And the famous tart Queen Cersei!"
Go back in the corner, Cersei!
Tywin summed up Cersei in one sentence: "You're not as smart as you think you are"
The countryside around King's Landing sure does look different in S5. All we needed for it to make a _little_ sense in S8 was one line from Qyburn; "At your command, we've stripped the ground bare. Lumber for the scorpions, and no army can approach unseen." Even though the landscape is a different shape later on, that would have sold it well enough.
Interestingly, Cersei is quick to accuse Olenna of making underhanded comments, which were actually very blunt,
Then she herself does exactly that;
"House Lannister has no rivals."
What she's actually saying here, is that she doesn't see their house as being challenging enough to consider them as a valid rival.
Notice, Olenna picks up on it, doesn't say another word,
And instead, almost decides right then and there to plot her revenge on Cersei.
Besides, if Cersei doesn't see her as a threat, she will never suspect it.
Sure enough, she doesn't.
Although Cersei made this happen olenna is basically telling her 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. Cersei thinks the faith are her allies but olena can smell it 5 mile away that they will eventually betray and sure enough......
I like how the title calls Olenna Lady and Cersei is just Cersei lol
Olenna: You can smell season 8 from five miles away!
1:57 “As for your veiled threats?”
“What veil?”
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present Lady Olenna of House Tyrell. The Queen of Thorns. Patron saint of the church of “Too old to give a fck” and lobber of nuclear verbal grenades.
I would have taken an entire season of nothing but Olenna roasting the shit out of EVERYONE on the show (I think even the Night King wouldn’t want a bar of the new asshole she would tear him) over the abomination that was S8.
Unfortunate Dame Dianna Rigg has left us, rest her glorious soul, but what I would have given for her to don the Olenna getup and do a “review/roast” of the final season.
Olenna was so badass even the post-S4 decline didn’t impact her
i told myself "one clip" and here i am 3 hours later
The head wobble she does after ‘the famous tart’ AHHH DIANA RIGG ❤️
Loved the view of King's landing in this episode
Curious they didn't show the desert outside the gates though...
@@looneyburgmusic maybe that was another one of the gates to enter the city, remember the city is huge and has many gates, also I think having crops and trees around the city makes more sense to feed it's habitants
@@carlosg2541 Except you can see the entire city in one shot - it's got water around one side, then all forest. We should have been able to see the desert as well.
@@looneyburgmusic OMG another detail they forgot! 😩 Beautiful view though 🤩
honestly the latest version feels more accurate in terms of size, given the population.
Imagine if _Dynasty's_ Joan Collins and Stephanie Beecham joined the show as rival dynastic matriarchs up against Diana Rigg. Olenna even has the shoulder pads.
1:09 As much as I love this scene, surely Olenna would have called it a quill?
I wondered the same thing, so looked it up in one of the European history books I have from the late 19th/early 20th Centuries, (gifts from my grandfather a long time ago), and "quill pen", "quill" or "pen" are all correct terms. Since G.R.R.M. based ASoFaI on Euro-history calling it a pen would be ok...
@@looneyburgmusic Fascinating, thankyou for the insight :)
@@looneyburgmusic I thought it was based off of the war of the roses period of English history
@@iangallagher5448 last I checked England was a part of Europe...
@@looneyburgmusic Ahem, Brexit
"what vail" my GOD SHE IS A BADASS i love you olenna to think she lost because of cercei is disrespectful
The tart clap back was so strong i was like nahhh thats fucked up 😂
I love how kings landing went from looking like that to being in a fucking desert in season 8
Cersei was just pulling an Amber Heard. "Put the pen down, you're not writing anything."
Cersei really thought she had a chance against Olenna lol. Cersei might use wildfire here and then, but Olenna’s roasts burn hotter than any wildfire.
Little did Cersei know that in her random scribblings she was writing her own future epitaph.