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Do you know if it is possible to see the connection between the old track from the Higher level and the current track that goes to/from Central to Brunswick?
This video is much more recent than 1990, being in the post privatisation era as the unit seen at 12:25 carries Arriva logos. Arriva gained the Merseyrail Electrics contract in 2000 when they took over MTL Holdings Ltd who were also the main bus operator in the area. They lost the franchise in 2003 so the video dates between 2000-2003 rather than 1990 as stated in the title.
I always thought I’d dreamed this film, particularly around 23:00. I used to go from Lime Street up to Birkdale every week when I was a student at Liverpool.
Amazing. Never knew this rabbit warren existed but if you go to the basement in M&S you can hear the trains passing underfoot. Apparently the floor is built virtually on top of the arch!
It's the same in woolwich near where I used to live in the 60's. There there's a supermarket built right over the tunnel from woolwich arsenal and I used to hear to the trains passing under the floor when in there with my mum way back then. And it's third rail electrics there too and I can remember when they had the old slam door units in green before they repainted them in the dreadful blue shade which always looked filthy even when they were clean!
Well I never! I've travelled those tunnels in liverpool loads of times and I never knew there was a reversing siding down there, I suppose they must've needed one as the old central underground used to be a terminus. And I know about paradise junction which is the old pre 1970's connection from james street which was used before the rebuilding of the system. I've got a leaflet about that somewhere with some pictures taken down there and I once met the photographer who took them as he had a camera shop in liverpool. And why was that train running on the wrong line? Was the other line out of use at that point for work being done, or is that normal operating method on certain services? And at last I can see inside the old connection between levels which is now out of bounds for passengers. And I wouldn't like to work down there in those tunnels in the darkness with all those deadly live rails, I suppose that's something you'd have to get used to and keep watching where you step!
@027 At 22:48, the current track to and from Brunswick used to run into the old Central street level station, but that line never connected to the Central low level underground which was a terminus for the Wirral lines, it was only after the redevelopment of the underground that the lines from Brunswick were connected to the underground after the old Central street level station was closed and it's tracks removed, though the site is still used for other purposes and there's now a wall across where the tracks used to enter the station because the track level was lowered so there has to be a wall there now to protect anyone from falling onto the live tracks below. And at 23:52 you can see the down line to Brunswick which was put in a new tunnel because of the reversing siding. You can also see the view better at 14:55 on this vid: th-cam.com/video/cr_CilBhGv8/w-d-xo.html "Merseyrail Hunts Cross to Southport Cab View".
Yeah that is the header that was cut to give access to the Waterloo Tunnel. There is another at 24:02 that would have given access to the Wapping Tunnel.
@@GG-kp4gy No, if you watch the video the old Mersey Railway tunnel is shown starting 9:29 . At 13:19 you can see the aditional tunnel that was cut and heads up to Moorfields station on the right side, the Mersey Railway tunnel didnt have that bit back in the day it continued left into James street station along what is now called the Stock Interchange Line. It was orignally a double track tunnel. at 14:41 you can see the end of the new Loop tunnel that joins the Wirral line city center stations up together. When travelling in the opposite direction the other end, the start, of that tunnel can be seen at 17:22 . From 16:29 until 23:20 is kind of the route the Mersey Railway trains took from the Wirral into Central Low level station, apart from the fact they would have used the left hand track in the Stock Interchange line, and they would have come out onto the line called Up Southport and went into Central station platform 1 then reversed in the reversing siding and go back to the Wirral from platform 2
Hold on a minute, the train passed a red light at 22:04, that's not supposed to happen, and how come the automatic stop device didn't work? That's a bit suspicious.
The two white lights underneath are position lights, and both being white mean the train can pass for "shunting" movements, usually when trains going into sidings (like it does after passing the position lights). You can also see the train is routed to the Central Reversing Siding thanks to the "SG" theatre lights just above the red. If you look around TH-cam for "Merseyrail route learner" you'll see all the footage from this video including the original tuition commentary, explaining what's going on :)
A wonderfully engineered subterranean world. I am fascinated with these tunnels. One of the interesting features that I can't readily understand is why build the complex high vaulted tunnels (for example like in the Reversing Siding) when smaller tunnels just big enough to pass through, achieved the same result?
I think this is because Liverpool Central used to have the track bed at a higher level, although still in tunnel. When the new underground layout was built in the 1970s they used part of the original Liverpool Central approach tunnel but with a new line at a lower level, into a new underground station, so that's why that tunnel roof is so high now.
@@martin-mi3cg Hi. It's certainly a plausible explanation and I would expect that if this is the case we'd be able to determine where the older upper half and the newer lower cutting begins. Different phases of construction are usually easy to spot, so with the right images we should be able to test your 'lowered track's theory?
Plenty of cubbyholes to step into, which always makes me wonder if you’re not allowed to be working when the trains are running why are they there, don’t think there’s any on new tunnel projects so must have been when the workers had to work when the trains were operating
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Do you know if it is possible to see the connection between the old track from the Higher level and the current track that goes to/from Central to Brunswick?
This video is much more recent than 1990, being in the post privatisation era as the unit seen at 12:25 carries Arriva logos. Arriva gained the Merseyrail Electrics contract in 2000 when they took over MTL Holdings Ltd who were also the main bus operator in the area. They lost the franchise in 2003 so the video dates between 2000-2003 rather than 1990 as stated in the title.
Thanks Ian.
Good work that man. Facts matter.
The music turns this vid into a surrealist dream.
I always thought I’d dreamed this film, particularly around 23:00. I used to go from Lime Street up to Birkdale every week when I was a student at Liverpool.
1:10...
This looks like a pretty awesome junction layout.
Amazing. Never knew this rabbit warren existed but if you go to the basement in M&S you can hear the trains passing underfoot. Apparently the floor is built virtually on top of the arch!
Very true 👍
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It's the same in woolwich near where I used to live in the 60's. There there's a supermarket built right over the tunnel from woolwich arsenal and I used to hear to the trains passing under the floor when in there with my mum way back then. And it's third rail electrics there too and I can remember when they had the old slam door units in green before they repainted them in the dreadful blue shade which always looked filthy even when they were clean!
Super impressive, and amazing to see the lines I've travelled all my life in a different way
This very interesting video was filmed quite some time ago as central station etc were extensively modernised a number of years ago
Thank you so much for this thought I would never get to see it
Why are the trains running right hand on the Southport line?
Well I never! I've travelled those tunnels in liverpool loads of times and I never knew there was a reversing siding down there, I suppose they must've needed one as the old central underground used to be a terminus. And I know about paradise junction which is the old pre 1970's connection from james street which was used before the rebuilding of the system. I've got a leaflet about that somewhere with some pictures taken down there and I once met the photographer who took them as he had a camera shop in liverpool. And why was that train running on the wrong line? Was the other line out of use at that point for work being done, or is that normal operating method on certain services? And at last I can see inside the old connection between levels which is now out of bounds for passengers. And I wouldn't like to work down there in those tunnels in the darkness with all those deadly live rails, I suppose that's something you'd have to get used to and keep watching where you step!
Where can you see the connection between the current track that goes to/from Brunswick and the old Central Higher level?
@027 At 22:48, the current track to and from Brunswick used to run into the old Central street level station, but that line never connected to the Central low level underground which was a terminus for the Wirral lines, it was only after the redevelopment of the underground that the lines from Brunswick were connected to the underground after the old Central street level station was closed and it's tracks removed, though the site is still used for other purposes and there's now a wall across where the tracks used to enter the station because the track level was lowered so there has to be a wall there now to protect anyone from falling onto the live tracks below. And at 23:52 you can see the down line to Brunswick which was put in a new tunnel because of the reversing siding. You can also see the view better at 14:55 on this vid: th-cam.com/video/cr_CilBhGv8/w-d-xo.html "Merseyrail Hunts Cross to Southport Cab View".
Amazing! Thank you 😊
Great video Great song undertow by Scott Buckley!
The music is so peaceful 😊
Has anyone made any videos of the "flying junction" at birkenhead hamilton square?
Is this from a driver training video perchance ?
Filmed from the rear cab and played in reverse ?
Train appears to be running in the wrong direction.
No, it's from the Merseyrail Route Learner: th-cam.com/video/brPh3yr_wf0/w-d-xo.html
At 7:27 is was that tunnelled for future expansion?
Yeah back in 1892
I always thought it was an old link tunnel to James street
Yeah that is the header that was cut to give access to the Waterloo Tunnel. There is another at 24:02 that would have given access to the Wapping Tunnel.
@@theoriginalcarterfamily Finished in 1977
@@GG-kp4gy No, if you watch the video the old Mersey Railway tunnel is shown starting 9:29 . At 13:19 you can see the aditional tunnel that was cut and heads up to Moorfields station on the right side, the Mersey Railway tunnel didnt have that bit back in the day it continued left into James street station along what is now called the Stock Interchange Line. It was orignally a double track tunnel. at 14:41 you can see the end of the new Loop tunnel that joins the Wirral line city center stations up together. When travelling in the opposite direction the other end, the start, of that tunnel can be seen at 17:22 . From 16:29 until 23:20 is kind of the route the Mersey Railway trains took from the Wirral into Central Low level station, apart from the fact they would have used the left hand track in the Stock Interchange line, and they would have come out onto the line called Up Southport and went into Central station platform 1 then reversed in the reversing siding and go back to the Wirral from platform 2
Hold on a minute, the train passed a red light at 22:04, that's not supposed to happen, and how come the automatic stop device didn't work? That's a bit suspicious.
The two white lights underneath are position lights, and both being white mean the train can pass for "shunting" movements, usually when trains going into sidings (like it does after passing the position lights). You can also see the train is routed to the Central Reversing Siding thanks to the "SG" theatre lights just above the red. If you look around TH-cam for "Merseyrail route learner" you'll see all the footage from this video including the original tuition commentary, explaining what's going on :)
Man i fell asleep during this vid and had a dream of 12+ hours tf
Haha I few have said this to me about this music.
A wonderfully engineered subterranean world. I am fascinated with these tunnels. One of the interesting features that I can't readily understand is why build the complex high vaulted tunnels (for example like in the Reversing Siding) when smaller tunnels just big enough to pass through, achieved the same result?
I think this is because Liverpool Central used to have the track bed at a higher level, although still in tunnel. When the new underground layout was built in the 1970s they used part of the original Liverpool Central approach tunnel but with a new line at a lower level, into a new underground station, so that's why that tunnel roof is so high now.
@@martin-mi3cg Hi. It's certainly a plausible explanation and I would expect that if this is the case we'd be able to determine where the older upper half and the newer lower cutting begins. Different phases of construction are usually easy to spot, so with the right images we should be able to test your 'lowered track's theory?
Why are the trains travelling in the wrong direction. I was a signalman on Merseyrail. I know what I am talking about. Or are these filmed in reverse?
Footage is from a route learner course. Search “Route Learner - Merseyrail Driver” on TH-cam, the video is about an hour and a half long.
Plenty of cubbyholes to step into, which always makes me wonder if you’re not allowed to be working when the trains are running why are they there, don’t think there’s any on new tunnel projects so must have been when the workers had to work when the trains were operating