BIG TIRES SUCK! AND HERE'S WHY...
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- Bigger is always better right? Not necessarily when you have a 4WD that needs to be a jack of all trades.
I discuss the pro's and con's of running big wheels on a 4WD built for touring, work and weekend trails.
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I have 37" on my 110 but i have salsberry axles frunt and back plus a 6L Cummings to turn them so she rocks.
Sounds like a beast!
@@HendriMouton yeah its a good one also got a galve chassis on it. So it dosent dissolve over night.
Cummins?
@@donaldbacklund5420 yes sorry thats what i ment.
Not a daily driver..
I was happy doing winch challenge on 33” with standard suspension. The stuff that really makes vehicles go well off road is under body armour and diff locks. If you can Just get on and ‘drive’ it without worry, the off-road performance goes up massively. *also a good hydraulic winch. No point smashing all the drive train if you can pull it through in neutral :o)
I like my 34" tires. Close to a 35 but more ground clearance then a 33. I run narrower tires and wheels to reduce weight and strain on the drive line.
I am on my 5th defender and my 7th Land Rover.
The best tyre size I have found is the 255x85x16,they have great width to height ratio.
I have tried everything over the last 40 years and for me BFG mud terrains have been the best for my uses.
I hunt all year round here in NZ, so even in summer after a strong NW weather pattern,the steep tracks and terraces get super slippery.
I have tried all terrains,but no good.
It would be great if a few more tyre manufacturers made tyre this size.
I agree on more manufacturers need to make this size. I am in the States where the obsession with big huge tires is absurd. I see them for rock crawling and such however I live in wooded heavy snow in winter state. I run BFG MT KM3's in 255/85-17 on my older Jeep Cherokee (04), I had to lift it 3" and trim a bit in front. Running a selectable locker in rear and a Tru Trac up front allows me to go anywhere I need to. I do switch to Nokian's in the winter, R3 SUV's in 245/70-16.
Yep. Agree.
On defender I 100% agree, it's the best compromise I've found. I've had both BFG and Coopers in that size and they have been brilliant, they also fit nicely on wolf rims.
hi, and thanks for sharing - my question is how do they perform on the road, as I'm driving about 90 in my hometown... thanks, Pat
In the snow and mud big tires are essential! E.g in iceland it is a must!
False, skinny tires dug into the snow and ice better
I have a 2004 4Runner and went with 265/70/17 or 31” It is one step up from factory size. Like you I’m on the trails only about 10% of the time. I also went with C load rating which was 10lbs lighter than the E load per tire. My replacement wheels are also lighter than OEM. Therefore I lost just about 1.4mpg and the handling is about the same. I am very happy because I almost went bigger.
Thanks all for the feedback on this controversial video subject! Some good points were made in the comments and some unfortunately completely missed the point.
I'ts a bit of a love-hate relationship I have with big wheels but the next few videos coming out should explain my statement better.
Happy 4WDing and keep safe!
The whole concept of BIG FAT TIRES came about years ago or should I say decades ago (1970's) when Dick Cepek and others (Mickey Thompson, Iron Man etc.) were running in the desert and Baja. They wanted BIG tires for loose deep sand so they could "FLOAT" on top of the sand with enough horsepower. People loved the looks and without much thought believed the big fat tires could work in any situation. NOT SO! Granted, TALLER tires will in fact increase your ground clearance BUT it comes at a huge cost i.e. gearing and huge amounts of STRESS on various components. Taller and taller lift kits came into being and as a result THE LOSS OF A LOW CENTER OF GRAVITY hence increased roll overs. Look, I'm an old guy now but I used to build this crap so I might know a little bit. Do yourself and your pocket book a favor and build your rigs for PRACTICAL USE instead of looks and LEARN TO DRIVE BETTER. You'll be a lot happier, your rig will break down less and life will be good!
That is such a bad ass rig! I'd keep 35s but I can see how for your use 33s work better. I'm on 37s on crawler and 32s on exploring overland rig
I agree.
When you drive in Australia and all that dry climate you need a pissy little tires but when you’re in Willie Swamp of Florida that’s swallow trucks and Barry and I never seen again you need tall tires
Spot on. This is not a one size fits all scenario. The vehicle has to be built according to it's purpose and terrain.
I guess my concern is clearance even when overlanding.
Definitely a valid point when tackling mud or deep ruts. Skinny tall tyres are generally better suited to overlanding for that purpose without adding too much additional strain on the vehicle.
@@HendriMouton What about a 315/75r16 KM3 tyre they are a shorter(34inch), narrower, lighter tyre for it stated size and type with a mild mud terrian tread pattern(the lest likely MT to break something at the stated size of 315/75r16). A 16×8 -25mm offset wheel would be a good pairing. But you know your needs best, just stating an option that you may of not thought about much? Wish there was a 285/85r16 for overlanding(thier is a 35×11.5r17 Nitto Trail Grappler MT in the U.S.A., 34.76×11.4 on a 17x9 or 10.8-11 inches wide on a 7.5 inch wide wheel for a Jeep Wrangler/Gladiator).
Still to big for a defender.... Unfortunately the transmission is super weak :(
The R380 boxes are quite strong. The problem lies with the axles.
@@HendriMouton They are definitely a limiting factor when you start pushing things, though I've been able to keep my Disco1 alive with 37" PitBull Rockers on 15x10 steel beadlocks (137 lbs ea mounted). And that's not 'overlanding', that's hard wheeling. Still, even with all the good parts (Ashcroft 300m rear axles, custom dutchman 30 spines in front, ARB front locker, Ashcroft rear, etc) I usually recommend most people stick to 35". Rovers are just heavy and you can't go bashing away on the skinny peddle and expect to keep the axles alive even at 35". All of which is to say the next build will be on custom tons and for 40s. :)
I still have to buy a bakkie. But im gonna be dune ing alot. So what would work best
Can't go wrong with a V6 Hilux on 32's for duning 🤘🏻
@@HendriMouton thx
Big tires don´t suck, Land Rovers and shallow pockets, that can´t handle big tires, suck.
Anything is possible with enough cash thrown at it.
You went from 35's back down to 33's but your whole sale pitch makes me ask why not 31's or 29's by the same logic?
This feels a lot less like, "Here's why big tires suck" and a lot more like, "Here's why I personally didn't think 35 inch tires were worth it on this specific rig."
It's all relevant to the vehicle in question. In my case yes it's 35 vs 33 but for a Hilux it's 33 vs 31" and a Raptor 37" vs 35". At the end the term "big wheels" can by used for any rig and the points I made still count.
Exactly, smart as hell! And I live in the states!🤣👍🏼
35s are considered scooter sized tires in the states haha
This is why you shouldn't ideally, go bigger than 5% unless you're prepared to modify axles, gear ratios etc.... My off roading tyres are 5.2% bigger for 31" and that's good enough IMO.
I'm still running 31 x 10.5 R15s. Not a very big tire but the best "all rounder" size in my experience.
How do you manage the fuel ⛽️ on those trips?
Work hard and save up I guess😁
Bigger is always better 👍With 35s you can go everywhere ✅
Oh I agree big tyres suck! That's why I will never go bigger than 37's...💪😁
Exactly, 37s are the new 33s
Since when are 35's big tires? In the wheeling I do 37's are small 40's are average and 44's are big!
It's all relative to the terrain you drive and the purpose of the vehicle. If you have to upgrade axles components to safely run a certain size tyre, it can be considered as "big"
@@HendriMouton Then the title of your video should have been "Tires too big for my vehicle suck"
@@mitchhill5603 Applies to most vehicles then
@@HendriMouton Yes, most vehicles in your world, not here!
40’s average lmao. Most people that run Moab run 35’s. Where are you going with those tires? 😂
The riddler....
Bigger is better! Ask her!
The worst part I’ve found with bigger tyres is the braking. The extra inertia is so noticeable.
Especially on a Land Rover! The upgraded brakes I did on a previous episode helped immensely. Definitely worth the cost
Yeah, big tires definitely suck. I put 35s on my electric scooter and it handled like crap. Knocked over an ice cream truck the other day. Much angries everywhere.
Hey, at least it looked good and when cruising, that's what matters.
@@jeffmayers6896 Yep! It was gangsta!
I fully agree, you need to find a balance for your setup to fit its purpose.
Best comment here.couldn't be more dead right.well said👍
& ITS USE FOR WHAT YOU WILL BE IN .
I do agree with you as my needs is similar and I'm running a narrow 32" to get the extra clearance on the diff but with the narrow tread 235 the weight is also down or very similar to 31". Must say I notice the difference straight away on the steering, turning a lot easier now. For me it's all about practicality and not looks
Lourens.....Suid Afrikaans? (That
I just need a tire that's black and round, cuz" black tires matter."
ATM. LOL
..white letters move them farster
Lol😝😝😝
Go Bubba lol
Dont forget about black lines they matter too.
Awesome info
I love my skinny’s 235/85/16 and will never use anything else
Lekker day hier uit Australia
That’s what I run on my Tacoma TRD Offroad
Big versus smaller tires: Depends on ones ego really. Public lands here, while enormous compared to other states of our Union, serious level 5 rugged rocky terrain mandates large tires, but, again, these areas are becoming shortened to even closed down due to so much abuse, trash, fecal matter, dirty diapers, holes as deep as Subaru wagon and lastly, Spray Painting Rock formations.
So many fine attributes as millions take to the outerbanks too family recreation as never before in the History of mankind. Think overpopulation. Even in our pandemic, the multitudes are hitting the campground/trails in droves. Me, at 65 I’ve sold everything off-roady an now, re-evaluating my entire strategy to multi-state travels.
Cheers!
I run 265/75 16 on my Defender 110 and works perfect for overlanding
What rims do you use with which offset? Considering buying this size wheels, but concerned about the wheel offset
Good video Henri! I’ve got 33” on my Hilux and I can’t imagine going bigger. Your truck looked sick with the 35’s though.
Keep up the good work mate!
can you give your tyre spec....also, did you do any other mods to acconodate the 33 inchers....?? i too want 33 inchers on my Everest, just wondering what other aspecta need to be taken care of....
@@PopEye2384 Hey, I have a 2" OME and a 1" front leveling kit. The tires are 285-70-17 Coopers. There was no need for fender trimming on the front because of the TJM bumper. The only adjustment was the camber angle that was set at max for better clearance away from the body. Sorry im not of more help
Popeye The Sailorman Everest will fit 275/65 R18 on the stock rims with no modification. Probably only minor things needed to fit 33’s.
Great video. I wanted to change tyre size from 31inch. Would cost too much. Needed a wheel carrier, lift suspension. Decided to stick to original size. Still takes me on most trails.
I like a solid built off road tyre like the BFG KO2 in a size that is available across the Country (Australia) its never a good idea to modify out reliability for looks if you are a remote traveler
I mean, when you own a defender I suppose everything else in your life would suck
That's what she said
Hendri Mouton 😂😂
"why I think 35s suck, im poor" ahahahah XD
The struggle is real
I bet you the zombie offroad guys will say 40 inch tires suck for rock crawling... Tell that to the jeep and Toyota guys that run king of the hammers with 40 inch tires....
@@meateaterwhitetail7291 If it's a dedicated rig for one purpose and built to run 40s then I don't see any issue. Build the vehicle according to the terrain and use. Use your own discretion
My rig is a 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 TRX4 QC 5.7 Hemi leveled with FOX Factory Race Series coilovers with Eibach springs, 2.0 Performance series in the rear all new MOOG components sitting on a factory lift with just "31.5 tires on the factory offroad rims spaced with 2" adapters. I'm not into heavy crawling, more fast pace trail driving in the desert, open dunes, lake bed ect. And its perfect for how I drive. I built it to replicate a Ford Raptor on a pizza man budget. I feel its about how you use the vehicle. Bigger tires gonna give me clearance but isn't gonna be as stable when I'm left foot braking, getting sideways around the turn. Just depends I guess. I go where my big tire friends go, just different lines. Southern California🇺🇲
I run on 31's, they do just fine on the Mojave Desert, California
I have a 93 toyota truck with a 4cyl engine. 31's are the biggest I'm gonna go. I'm not trying to kill this little 22re engine and it goes anywhere I need it to, mainly on the beach here in Texas. The only thing I want now are lockers.
On a defender you probably use small tires, otherwise you will have more bad luck, than you already have with a defender.......
i HSVE BEEN TOLD TALL SKINNY IS GOOD FOR SNOW. i LIKE WIDE ALL TERAIN IN SANDFOR MY RIDE.
I agree. I am dropping from 285 75 16 down to 265 75 16.
Idk man, once you’ve ran 44s on a truck that can handle them it’s hard to go back.
American?
100% agree with you. Here in the states I run the equivalent of 32x 11.50 on my Tacoma and don’t feel the need to go bigger as the problems just increase. Plus have a closer to stock rig takes more skill on the trails picking the correct line.
Excellent video! Thanks for making it. Showing bigger is not always better. Nice defender! ,😁😁
255/85r16. I dont see the need for anything bigger. 7.50r16 worked well enough for decades...
Some may think 35" tiresarebig but on my full size Bronco with a just 4" cut & turned long suspension /wheel travel lift so I am not too high. With 4.56 gears & lockers Fiberglass fenders & bedsides bulged out to fit them in they work very well & look good to me happy with performance in the whoops & the dirt & sand. Even had a run into stripedbuite Death Valley & just over Mengal Pass it was 2-3 foot oval shape rocks everywhwere for a long ways It was hard to see if I was in the trail just these bug rocks everywhere? HOW DO THEY GET THAT WAY? Happ y when I found a vacent placeto spendthenight . Just me and my nowwife on thistrip. I was happy & surprisedto learn my hubsnot locked& transfer case not shifted to engage I did that long mess of rocks not getting stoped to try again & at a steady pace not fast but not what I have seen on video. In 2 wheel drive ? Yjanksto rear lockers big enough tires& Cut & turned Lift maybe too without a 4" bracket hanging straight down to catck on a rock & break, I was still very surprised I did it in 2wd! I was also surprised when I made a mistake parked with a big rock about chest high a7 in 4x4 low it climbed straight up & I thought I was stuck not even knowing t did that I saw both drivers sidetires a foot off the ground haning way down in the limit straps My Broncos Frame set down slow & gentle on the top of the rock I had to winch the big thing offone tire climbed straight up over it. NICEBUT BETTER BE CAREFUL WGERE i TELL IT TO GO!
Built up a 86 ford ranger, with 33s i could drive it like a sport quad and never broke anything! Added a 3 body lift then went with 35s and later some 40s, broke axles like crazy
Yeah, that's the problem with bigger tires. Welcome to the party 😁
I have a 79 series land cruiser V8 and run 265/75/16. General overlanding type stuff and a serious grade trail every so often. I have never really felt the need for bigger rubber (except for it looking cool). The disadvantages (rotational force, breaking reduction, having to lift the vehicle, general wear and tear, and potentially not going into the garage anymore) outweighs the advantages. It's just not worth it. As I say, a nice chunky tyre does look good through, but that's about it....
you are right !!!! but the look on my 2016 f250 with 37"s look amazing
They suck hard. I actually dropped a mere 5mm on my bakkie to get the proper steering and handling on the farm roads that I require. I hardly understand these modified cars on the road with tyres that stick out 6 meters on the side of a car.
I recently upgraded to 35s and I miss my 33s. My Jeep rode and handle so much better
I have a 03 jeep wj with a 3in long arm front and rear lift and 32's . Before that , I had a 6in lift on it and 35's . I couldn't wait to wear out the tires and lower back to stock. The Jeep road terrible like a dump truck. I kept the long arms and went to 3 in lift. Rides like a dream now.
It's something not many will admit and as you can see in the other comments it's mostly a big ego thing. That being said big wheels have their place offroad and it's very subjective to the vehicle, its use and the terrain.
@@HendriMouton True , recently bought a Jeep TJ that's getting a 1 inch body left and 2 inch coil spring lift . I'm putting in Dana 60's and 40 inch all terrains. Axles are really wide and cutting out the fenders. I came to the conclusion that the older I get ( 52 ) the less I can take a rough ride. The tires will give lots clearance along with the body lift . I chose 2in coils and long arms ; so my control arm geometry is as close to stock as possible.
I lived off a remote dirt track for about 15 years....I was about 40 kms along the track...it was only graded once a year and every time it was I can tell you that I always destroyed the big tyres... best all rounder for my Defender was 235/85 R16....
Intelligent comment!
Basically, tires larger than your stock clearance allows are probably too big to drive on the road. Bigger tyres really help with raising the approach angle, sometimes to 90 degrees, and providing ground clearance. Only good for serious mud bogging and rock crawling where you're traveling about 10kph tops.
Sounds like ya just need a tougher truck. 😂😂😂😂 Love the defenders, but I have a 2.8 patrol, no issues with 35” what so ever. 😎
Ironically I've never broken any parts on the vehicle myself with the 35s but that little voice kept telling me "watch out fool, you've got big treads with a heavy vehicle and 300hp"
Hendri Mouton Fair enough. I’m about to swap a 6bt into it, let’s see if the driveline holds up with the 35”. 😂
Same I have a tb42 patrol a 2inch lift and a set of 4.3 diffs no problem at all
Personally the tax on consumption and power to weight performance is too much. I speak from experience and won't make the same mistake in the future.
Couldnt agree more. Ive gone big on my rigs. Tie rods, axles and belts all explode. Not to mention even with proper clutching I lost major power. I go bigger than stock but within reason and I choose the lightest even if its not the best traction. I save 20 lbs per tire on an atv. Thats a lot for a 40hp motor. Haha. Great video!
Hi, need your expert advice.
I have Prado with stock Highway Terrain tires of 265/65/R16.
Now I have gone for 2 inch suspension lift.
I want to upgrade to All Terrain tires now.
What tire size should I keep so my vehicle remains perfect in all aspects like stock Prado.
I do weekend drives in deserts.
Should I stick with 265/65 or upgrade to 275/70 or 275/65.
After seeing you video I feel A/T 265/65 would be best for me
Thinking about fitting double rims on the rear of my Jeep. Great content. Thank,s
Hmm...have you ever rolled a ball over an object? A ping pong ball doesn't roll up a stair very well but a basketball will..your foot print grows front to back with height..I have offroaded, built race cars and trucks. Lots of varied terrian from deep sand to rocks. I will tell you taller vs wider has more advantages and is easier to drive for most and the handling is better and less spooky. The wider your tire is it does more work pushing material with more steering wheel feedback and torque oversteer when spinning. On that note ..if you like to slide the truck around under power you want big lateral grooves on the side tread..that eats the wall of the material your pushing off to the side of tire. When that wall gets big enough your vehicle will try to roll over the berm you made instead of through it. For me a throttle happy driver it's a must..also, all terrains just starting radiusing the outer edge like a mud terrain. When all terrains have the square edge they dig that edge in under slide it's not a good feeling. I can feel the edge roll over and then the grip and bite dramatically change. Why I like the radiused edges..also think about when your sliding under power what directions are your tires propelling you? what direction are you traveling during the slide? I prefer the tread patterns on a bias to improve my handling while the rear is broke loose under power...
That said I'm running 35x12.5x18's and I'm looking for 37x13.5 for my next tires..if I could find them in 14.50 wide I would put them on the back and run different width front to rear. I have 10's of thousands of off-road miles..just tires on dirt. Not including chasing in Baja. Tall and skinny is better than short and fat by far..if your not airing down to single digits or running full at race speeds I'm not sure you have much to ad other than on road driving. All tires work here..and again the wider ones will put more road feedback into your steering wheel. I also custom groove my tires and have lots of luck improving handling and grip but it's a ton of work..then your the only one with that tread pattern..that's handy when your running. Easy to find your friends when they have one of a kind tread...6 psi front and 4 psi rear on old school mickey Thompson treads and they were growling in the sand..hooked like a beast. Running some studded tires now..what do you know about that? Lol
Where I live now, in fresh snow my tires excel, once the plow comes in town I slide all over. my wider tires suck around town but when I get out in the hills and air down I use all the tire for float..side tread is on the ground when aired down so it is important..in snow any texture will grip so smooth is ok for sidewalls. My tires have micro groove sidewalls which equals a lot of surface area to grip..I'm planning on fishing in the ocean soon with my boat and beach launching. I will take all the height and width I can get..
My 72 blazer is interested in some 42" tires or bigger..oh yeah the truck mentioned above is my 6k pound plus daily driver/ tow vehicle. I have fun let's say.
I'm running 265/65/r17 (or 30,6 tall, if you're using inches) on my Jeep GC WK. It could easily handle bigger tires, but for my use there's no need and I haven't lifted my Jeep (and won't be using spacers). They're big enough for my application (and because Quadra Drive 2 rocks). We don't have big sand dunes or anything like that here in Finland, and our forests are mostly off the limits for off roading, so usually I drive in fairly decent conditions (no rock crawling either... our country is boring and flat). No need for bigger tires at all and certainly wouldn't be doing big+spacers just for the looks (because those wheels way away from the vehicle look just so damn stupid and they're illegal here).
If you need bigger tires and you got the power to run them (sure, WK would have), then by all means. If there's no need for something like 35s or bigger, then no reason to use them. Simple :)
37s in the States can be had for less than 35s and the work you have to do to fit 35s is nearly as much as the work for 37s anyway. I’d skip 35s altogether. 32s for a daily that does occasional camping. 33s for a daily you off road a lot in but still want to get there comfortably. 37+ for a dedicated off road machine. Has always been our mindset anyway. There have been about 1-3 places a year we wished we had 33s instead of 32s. The rest of the time we’ve been able to camp in pretty remote places pretty easily and be happier on the road with 32s on our various Toyotas.
The difference is that those massive tires suck for real overlanding... but the folks that just go weekend warrioring around love them... they’re not crossing borders or running in areas where there is literally no access to them... in Oaxaca I couldn’t find anything bigger than a 265 70 17 in an a/t... huge tires are also a huge heat score in Central America!!
It is all relative to your needs. My overland machine comes stock with 35's. It would be idiotic to go down in size, also because I have a large machine I would drag everywhere. Now mainly in the sand like you, maybe not so much. But when you are climbing boulders or fording mud they make a difference. And I did recently try 40's, then went back to 35's. So I do know exactly what you are talking about, however I will be going to 40's eventually.
Spot on. The term big is relative to the vehicle. Generally one size up won't affect too many things and will keep it reliable. In your case maybe a 37" tire?
Everyone hates independent suspension.... But guess what you can do with independent suspension.... You can get more center clearance without having a bigger tire...
You are peaching the Devil in Gods country where bigger is better. I agree. I run 33's...and no more than 2.5" lift...and it gets me where I want to go.
my Favorited tire size is 255/85/16 this is 33,4 Toyo mud . On a Disco 2. 35 is to big.
I think the title should be proportionally large tires suck. If the vehicle is large to begin with large tires may be the solution to getting the ground pressure desired.
Wish we could she cool vehicles like that here in the US.
They are availables... but the price are kind of silly
When I built my vehicle I chose Nitto 35x12.5r17 terra grappler AT tires and wheels to give extra clearance without having to put on a lift kit. Having said that, I noticed that the front commonly hit the fenders when turning. I still did not want to use a lift kit because in addition to the extra cost for the kits, they also affected the suspension negatively and threw the center of gravity far too high, making roll over a real possibility. As a solution I chose instead to modify the fenders to accommodate the larger tires and to use 17" wheels with a 6" negative offset to push them farther away from the frame. The result was a more stable vehicle when on or off road than the lifted version would have been. Here is a video of the vehicle in various stages of build. th-cam.com/video/wC6Dv6tBao0/w-d-xo.html
Video full of cope.
"Large tires are difficult to get in my country therefor they suck!"
255 85 r16 Toyo Open Country MT on my 110 DCPU ...best size tyre out there.
Broader tyres are better, just dont spin on snow or sand, 1st gear diff lock let her idle through the terrain and you'll be fine.
31 or 32s all the way. less weight, not scarce, less cost, dont need a V8 to run them or change gearing and fule economy to top!
It is a damned shame what has been done to South Africa... It was truly a jewel before it was convinced to destroy itself.
32s (235/85rx16) seem to be the sweet spot for 2017 PX2 Ford Ranger.
Ek like my 265/75/16 op my disco 1 V8 almal se ek moet 33 toe gaan maar like die 31's en petrol verbruik is minder en hulle doen hulle job nog nooit probleem gehad om iets ui te klim nie
But they look cool as fuck
Lower unsprung weight is always a good thing.
Yeah, i agree 33” is just the right size!
X2! 😁
I have 31s on my XJ, I like them and looks great. Also I would never go bigger than 33 on XJ.
Smallest you can get away with.
I run 235/85/16 BFG KO2s on my Tacoma TRD Offroad.
Is it fun to have 35’s? Absolutely. So would some bolt-on portals and 40’s lol. But not at the expense of exploding the drivetrain.
But if we’re being honest, 33’s get us to 95% of the stuff we want… and everywhere we need to go.
Exactly, for off-road touring the cons outweigh the pro with 35s
100% I don't bugger around posing as an off roader, I work in a, or my cruiser, 8 months a year, have for 30 years. Stick with the stock standard Toyota recommendations, or Landy if you're a hobbyist and like tinkering every evening... You'll save money on clown fat takkies and fuel, get less punctures, get stuck less, put less stress on your whole system. Also, big bonus, you won't look like a twit, flathead city dwelling dutchman!! ;)
Very much dependant on your vehicle requirements at the end of the day.
I'm still keeping my touring 80 series on 33s and the other "trail rig" 80 got even bigger rubber this time around to see how that affects offroad performance. Will do a follow up episode on this topic
I run 255/80/17 on my Jeep Wrangler . They work for me.
Awesome video man! Some good tips there 👍🏽👍🏽
Looks like it's a good workout lifting those heavy tires
I use 27.5 on my hardtail. 29ers SUCK
Nice vid, thanks for that. I'm gonna pick up my Subaru Forester this month, and I'm wondering what max size tires will fit under it (when not yet lifted). 😎
Keep an eye out for the future uploads. Safari cars incoming🤘🏻
Lol me watching this with my 40 in rock crawler daily😬😂
Parker Yj haha my GQ is the same Queensland police love it 😂
Tyson that’s the coolest when you got an illegal rig with no fender flairs and such, than a cop just says it’s badass😂🤟🤟
Parker Yj and ya speedo is off and you think your going 50 but your going 65 😂
Heck yeah I'll daily that👊
@@user-wd5mx9ec3p I've gotten out of 2 speeding tickets using that excuse lol
I have 37s in my Suburban with no lift, been like that for several years, never going back to smaller tires.
Your name says it all 😁🤟🏻
Not total BS but so specific to your vehicle and the places where you drive it. Ford Raptor comes standard with 35's, you would immediately downsize those to 33's?
The term big tyres are relative to the vehicle in question. For a Raptor it could be something like 37s or 40s instead of the normal 35s.
What you are saying is that you own a defender with hard to get tyres. "Practicality wise, they look good ?" That hardly seems practical, more, superficial.
2nd language stumble, Should've been "practically wise the 33s work better for me, but these do look good on the rig"
Running 44's on my CJ-5. Am I doing it right?
I ran 42 inch tsl's on my 81 cj7 on Chevy 1 ton axles. 3.5 in lift bds leafs over the axles mounted and tube front fenders and opened and tubed rear fenders 5 inches bigger.
That jeep worked perfectly, couldn't ask for a better rig for running trails here in Ontario Canada. 4.2L amc 6cyl engine with np435/np205 pulled it down the highway just fine.
I also run 37 inch nitto mudgrapplers on my super duty daily driver that I also use off road very often. Again can't ask for a better truck for what I do.
I'd really like to put 35s on my bobtailed Discovery instead of the 33" Insa Turbo Special Tracks I have now but mine is purely an off road toy in England and barely gets used on the road. All really good points though, I currently have a spare inside the back, a 35" spare wouldn't fit, I probably couldn't afford one and lifting the current 16" wheel and 33" spare up that high nearly kills me anyway.
Gearing is already too tall as well, I swapped the old LT77 gearbox out for an R380 from my older Discovery when I got it and I think the LT77 had a Defender transfer box on it, the old 200tdi struggles a bit on hills. I could do the diffs but the rear has a KAM electric locker so it would be a real pain to take that apart. I guess I'll stick to 33" too!
Some sound practical advice there Hendri, tyre you might want to experiment with for expedition/trail now that you have the slower diffs is Michelin XZY 8.5R17.5 or XZL 9.00R 16. Both are really truck tyres but the bigger rims do allow you to fit the bigger brakes. The XZL has deliberately soft sidewalls to keep the heat in the tyre down when running at low pressure, and tread "caterpillar tracks" beautifully at low pressure for great flotation. Tread is also v aggressive for spectacular traction in mud, but rubber is properly compounded to be chip/chunk resistant in sharp rock/gravel conditions.
The 8.5R17.5 XZY as more of a marie biscuit style option carries a lot more weight than an old school 7.50R16 without overheating or at lower pressure for better ride quality, so nice for trips to N Namibia, but also has a v strong casing, so is v puncture resistant, which is nice. Not an awesome sand tyre, but big OD with 100 profile means that it caterpillar tracks quite well if deflated for crossing dry river beds etc. Main attribute for long trips on dirt or gravel is good fuel economy, good handling and tough tyre that isn't going to require you peeling it off the rim or fitting tubes really often.
Look forward to seeing more of your stuff.
bigwheels blacksmoke I run XZL 255/100r16 on a Land Cruiser 80. Have done for 60k overlanding miles. Amazing tyre BUT very, very heavy - 40kg per tyre, very noisy on the road and limited (legally) to 68mph
actually on snowy roads skinnier is better , this was taught in the USMC more p.s.i pushes into the harder surface under the snow
That's a good point. Also less resistance to cut through mud and snow.
It isn't necessarily true that larger tires are harder on your truck. In fact, it could very well be the opposite. Larger tire more easily roll over larger rocks and obstacles and clear larger rocks on the trail. That means you need less throttle, wheel spin, and momentum, to get up a ledge or steep hill, and you are less likely to cave in a diff cover, bend a tie rod, or rip off a shock mount.
The smaller your tires are, the harder your truck has to work to get up and over things. That's when parts break. Not when you are casually driving over an obstacle.
Watch this video and tell me which rig was more likely to break on this obstacle.. The one with 33s banging into the ledge or the ones on 35s and 37s that rolled over it without issue? th-cam.com/video/9GpAzDyr8o4/w-d-xo.html
It's a double edged sword, better grip plus larger wheels equals more torque on the drivetrain as well. Like I said in the end, depends on your use for the vehicle
@@HendriMouton That only comes into play when you are hammering on the throttle. In the sort of slow paced overlanding type driving you are doing, that isn't going to be likely.
nice one hendri
Tires are just tool. You should learn how to use them.
Lol, just bought 40" toyos for the m37/4w73. Welp, I guess I'll have to wait and see. Legacy uses them so I think I should be fine.