I loved seeing Wong in this movie, mainly just as confirmation that Wong has a life and hobbies outside of whatever random nonsense he's forced to deal with thanks to Dr. Strange...
@@peggyliepmann5248 I think what I love about that scene is that for heroes there’s no gravitas anymore. “Oh some new guy showed up with powers? Well time to get him a gift basket and put him on the team.” Because that’s just what happens now.
@@KazeAizen Exactly. I really loved that feeling of "Hey there, new kids, welcome to the club. Here's my Twitter handle and my cell number, feel free to call" Much appreciated after the whole debacle last time.
Honestly wouldn't mind if Awkwafina's Katy teamed up with Kate Bishop in the future. "Hey we're both Kates and we both have bows. We should totally team up. But first... (hard cut to singing karaoke)."
That would be fun. Honestly, if they hadn't announced Hawkeye, my first thought would have been about that. Like them sneaking a little teaser in about her white last name being Bishop etc
If they retcon the Netflix stuff into the greater MCU, I'd want them to do kinda like how they did the new Suicide Squad: keep the stuff people liked, imply that they happened without making people who never watched those shows feel left out, make improvements to existing characters/plotlines that still feel in line with the originals, don't make any drastic changes like reviving dead characters out of nowhere, ignore everything else. That being said, I'm down for them rebooting Iron Fist. And maybe give Elektra a second chance.
Honestly, as for who Shang-Chi killed, I think it's a very simple answer: it doesn't actually matter WHO it was, just that he went through with it, then found out that the man was a father. Suddenly, he's at the other end of the knife that killed his mom, and CRISIS!!!! Simple answer, yes, but it would be fitting character-wise, because he sounds pretty broken up about it, and so ashamed of it all that he can't bring himself to finish the story.
Okay, but if they're going to go for something big and dramatic that leads to fights? (And these are still Marvel movies, so of course they'll go for that angle.) I know this might be kind of weird, and would definitely involve officially rebooting Daredevil (so who cares, really?), but: Jack. Murdock.
Honestly I didn't even think of who he killed, just that he had killed someone. The question of who, and why it matters never crossed my mind. This gets lost in film land a little but killing anyone is a pretty big deal cause IRL that shit fucks you up if you aren't a literal psycho.
@@azamonra Agreed. This fourteen year old kid spent years preparing to kill this person, and when he does...it doesn't change anything. His mother's still dead, his family's still shattered, he's a child alone in a foreign country, and killing the man responsible didn't make that go away. Just that would be enough to drive Shang-Chi to run away from that which made this whole thing happen in the first place, away from the person he was, what his father made him into.
Yeah, who he killed is something they could come back to and use as a hook for future developments, but it's also something that doesn't actually matter until and unless they do make something of it. What's important is not that he killed some specific person, but that he killed a man, albeit one who provided him with a good reason to want to.
The Abomination being friends with or at least doing some long con with Wong in the area of illegal underground dark web fights, because why wouldn't a monk sorcerer librarian be involved in illegal underground dark web fights?, is just the kind of weird tangent to stick in my head for the rest of this phase.
My headcanon is that at some point Luis and maybe one of his family members helped Shang-chi hide and integrate into America. That'd be a fun Luis Recap, don't you think? Maybe he's the reason why his American name is Shaun!
That could be fun. I love Luis and his recaps are some of the funniest things in the franchise. Can't wait for him to recap being snapped and unsnapped in AntMan 3.
TREVOR SLATTERY IS BACK. AND HE GAVE MORRIS HIS NAME. It's always the little things in Marvel movies that make me smile... like in "Captain Marvel," when Goose hacks up the Tesseract like a hairball. Or Howard The Duck's cameo in that "Guardians Of The Galaxy" stinger.
This is why Marvel wins.over the other guys. (I loved Shazam! And The Suicide Squad too,relax) They will mention the b-list and goofy stuff and don't feel the need to exert their superiority about it. They know this stuff is fun and don't feel bad making sure we have fun with it. No more black leather and snarking about cheesy costumes. Thank you Marvel for getting it right.
@@jordansweet8054 EXACTLY. They're up-front about how goofy and "Comics Are Weird" this stuff is. After all... comic-books are for kids. That's not to say adult audiences can't enjoy them or that all geek-entertainment needs to be "Blue's Clues," It's just to say that what is... is.
Wong's "literal" Death experience in Dr. Strange seems to have transformed him...remember when he said "don't stop now"? after being resurrected by the time stone?THat's the first time he cracked a joke. (Though he seemed to loosen up just by listening to Beyonce earlier in movie...so there were hints)
Re: Xialing as Ten Rings boss... The MCU now has two tertiary female characters with secret crime empires (Agent Carter as Power Broker being the other one).
Three if we’re counting Yelena managing what’s left of the Red Room and the girls from the Black Widow program. Four if we’re also counting whatever Contessa Valentina is setting up.
@@Woynich Oh yeah, they're absolutely teaming up. Maybe not Yelena who will probably end up on Young Avengers, but I bet whatever Madame Hydra is doing involves Xialing sooner than later.
So I just thought the Dweller in Darkness was supposed to be Fin Fang Foom, but they didn't want to call him that. Also Trevor has to meet Luis at some point.
I would love it if they had a movie or Disney Plus series just called "Marvel Team-up" where they just picked out two (or more) characters and plunked them down in a weird situation and had them deal with it. The comic version starred mainly Spider-man, but the movie/TV version could be anyone. Kind of like an MCU Mad-Libs. Writer 1: Okay, "Exotic locale" Writer 2: (draws card) Madripoor Writer 1: Okay, "Character 1" Writer 2: Human Torch Writer 1: "Magic Item" Writer 2: The Crimson Gem Of Cyttorak Writer 1: and "character 2" Writer 2: Beta Ray Bill Tell me you wouldn't watch that.
One more reason to like the Xialing story is its implications for the espionage/underworld part of the MCU, which is rapidly filling up with morally grey characters with very different motives. There are probably still many Black Widows running around the world trying to free each other, often from places of power. Agent 13 is back in DC and still has operatives in Madripoor. Then there is whatever the Contessa is up to. Either Wolverine or X-23 is coming to the MCU soon. The Ghost is still out there somewhere. Has Hank Pym been cleared yet, or is he still considered a criminal? Gambit might be coming to the MCU. Moon Knight is definitely coming to the MCU. Blade is coming, which means so are various secret societies of vampires and an entire nation of vampires ruled by a vampire king. Then on top of all that, there is a space ship full of ostensibly good Skrulls near Earth somewhere, which means it's only a matter of time before bad Skrulls show up and start infiltrating things. I'm surprised they haven't added Grey Hulk to complicate things even further.
If Shang Chi gets a sequel I think it would be cool if he teams up with a recast Iron First to fight a rebooted Hand. Even though the Hand did not work out in the Defenders I do think it is worth giving them a second chance simply for seeing kung fu superheroes' fighting undead ninjas. Also out of all the Netflix heroes Iron First definitely needs a reboot.
@@benwasserman8223 Danny always worked better as a supporting character anyway. The worst part is the actor was pretty good but IF show was so poorly written he did not have much if anything to work with.
If they make The Hand one of the other organizations under Wen Wus control (like a loose grip, let them work it out deal) that could explain some of the connections. Maybe that's how Signounery Weaver and all them stayed immortal as long as they did.
Sequel pitch: I love Bob's 'go small scale, brutal hand-to-hand' idea; have the villain be someone massively tall (ideally an athlete), and do a blow for blow retread of the Bruce Lee vs. Kareem Abdul-Jabar fight. I know it won't happen, but I can dream.
Really loved how Shang-Chi just opened a whole big world of possibilities for the MCU. Just when we thought we'd seen everything we get whole new paradigms in the mix
2:00 - Kung-fu darth Vader? Treats his son like trash, creates an empire so he get his dead wife back but destroy the world in the process? He’s Kung Fu Gendo Ikari.
@@changhyon92 Or you could just answer the query instead of being a gatekeeping douchebag. Gendo Ikari is a character from the anime "Neon Genesis Evangelion," the director of the anti-Angel organization NERV and father of main character Shinji Ikari.
When you have Sir Ben Kingsley you use Sir Ben Kingsley. I don't care what he wants to do with the character you let him do it. He brings gravitas to a comedic role. He makes the movie worth seeing by himself. Him and Harrison Ford are the only reason Ender's Game is bearable.
@@paulsardinasify Actually you might say that Trevor is a damn *good* actor. His "Mandarin" was pretty damn convincing and he pulled a Scheherazade on the real 1000-plus-year-old superhuman warlord to let him live for entertainment.
Marvel Netflix: First Season of Daredevil? Pretty good. First Season of Jessica Jones? AWESOME. First Season of Luke Cage? Pretty good. The rest of it...Sigh. I have to assume a mix of budget cuts and being told "you guys AREN'T canon" took the wind out of everyone's sails. If I were to assume why? VERY easy to assume Feige operates the film division under two edicts: 1. No Edgelords or Association with Edgelords. 2. NOTHING Can De-Legitimize Movie Plot-Points. The only show out of Marvel Television that violates neither of those two rules would be Agent Carter.
To be fair I feel like no edgelords would be a good idea, unless it's like a joke I'm really tired of edgelord characters and stories. I got enough to be depressed about I don't need fiction adding on to it. Though I think the reason for the MCU ignoring tv and making it non-canon is that feige vs perlmutter fued had something to do with it. As much as people complain about the marvel tone in movies many people still go to see them and for the most part they're quality movies and fiege knows how to produce a quality movie. He's been in the industry a long time. With perlmutter he's cheap, racist, sexist, and is more interested in the bottom line than in the movies. Perlmutter was over the marvel Netflix stuff(daredevil, Jessica jones,Luke cage, iron fist, defenders) and the marvel TV stuff(agents of sheild, agent carter, the inhumans, the runaways.) I think from those selection of shows you can see the issue. The tv shows also pretty much only got the scraps the movies didn't really want or need. Perlmutter also was heavily against women led movies cause he felt they didn't sell well and thought all black people looked the same (so he was probably against non-white leads for similar reasons). I think that's why your seeing character characters like shang-chi and black panther and Captain marvel now as opposed to much earlier.
Luke Cage was good, but it died with Cottonmouth. Daredevil was good, until it tried to juggle legal procedural, scrappy startup company drama, undead ninjas, corrupt cops, and a love story, plus a crazy ex girlfriend, a wise old master searching for a mystical weapon, an evil twin (sorta), and I’m probably forgetting something. It was just too many short narrative threads. Plus, it’s hard to have a combat hero be on his heels, getting his butt kicked, but just barely managed to survive and beat the baddie … in almost every single episode.
I loved the movie, loved revisiting Trevor Slattery, I also thought the big reveal of who Shang-Chi killed was Katy's grandfather, I'm glad they didn't go there. Loved Dweller in the Dark even if they changed his appearance. I am now curious that since there was a cameo of the Kumiho in Ta-Lo, is this a way of introducing in a future film White Fox? She's a fairly new and little known character overall. But she would be an interesting choice in bringing another diverse character into the MCU.
My favorite part was when the anti-sjw content creators keep crying and moving the goal posts, then cry when the star of the film claps back at the grifters
And the fact they all had to play victim “WAAH THE ACTOR IS BEING MEAN TO US FANS!” Especially one guy in particular who hasn’t been the same since Zack Snyder called him out directly.
I feel we’re a) giving these grifting c**ts more attention than they deserve and b) making the conversation about them. Again. But you’re on the right path calling them out as charlatans who don’t even believe the crap they spout.
@@TheFreshcorn1 has that tactic ever worked? I’m in the Star Wars fandom and every time I see anyone saying that, I just go “Grow up. Just…get a life.” I have zero sympathy now.
@@katherinealvarez9216 agreed there. I feel like I can't even watch American star wars fans anymore because 90% of them start crying about a "civil war within Lucas films" whenever any star wars news comes up. It's ridiculous how franchises about good vs evil turn people into the worst versions of themselves
Katie should have driven the dragon at the end of the film! They set her up as an expert driver the WHOLE FILM and all the do is give her a bow at random at the end?!?!? Why did they set up amazing Dragon Riding Girl just to turn her into a generic bow girl last second?!?!? XD
@@azamonra He's also a talking Dragon, so a piece of dialogue about his name could go like this "Really --- you're calling me a dragon? Astute assumption, human... I've got a Fin, Fangs and whenever I set off my blowtorch of a mouth it goes FOOOOOM!"
Just seen Shang-Chi and loved it :) In terms of a 2nd film looking for a more martial arts nemesis, I would just brick it if it was "Mad Dog" from The Raid (Yayan Ruhian)
Thanks for the point at 0:20. im going to put off watching this one for a while because spoilers but honestly it's frustrating as hell to live in somewhere like texas where we literally have some of the highest overhospitalization, mortality rates in the world from covid and people are still refusing to mask, social distance or respect the most common sense behaviors. I can't go to a theater when i literally live in the hardest hit city in the country by the delta variant as much as i want to. I honestly don't get why the fuck companies are not doing digital releases, i'd pay for it happily. im sure most would.
My suspicion concerning Banner appearing human in the post-credits: Ruffalo might be getting tired of being Banner and Marvel might be considering passing the mantle of the Hulk to Amadeus Cho, the son of Dr. Helen Cho, last seen in Age of Ultron. This suspicion is slightly bolstered by the casting of Korean heartthrob Park Seo Joon being cast for an as-of-now unknown role in The Marvels.
@@lovecraftianleviathan8918 fo worry lol the real reason is because Mark Ruffalo wants to be in the She Hulk show and Marvel wants to save on their Hulk budget
At this point, it's an MCU tradition that Bruce/Hulk has his/their character development happen entirely offscreen, with only hints and exposition happening onscreen. I have heard that it's due to rights issues with Universal, though there are mixed reports whether all rights have finally reverted to Marvel, or Universal still holds some. My research suggests that there was a rumour early last year that Marvel had got them back, which got widely reported as fact, before corrections came out months later. It seems that Universal (still) has distribution rights to any Hulk movies (which would presumably also include any where Hulk/Bruce has a major enough role). If that's the case, then there aren't going to be any Hulk solo movies, and only limited focus on the Hulk in team-ups, until the rights revert to Marvel.
I think the Ten Rings beacon is going to be much more simple and tie in with Eternals. The Ten Rings could be Celestial/Eternal artifacts (or even Deviant artifacts), and the monsters from the Eternals trailers share some similar aesthetic choices to the Dweller-in-Darkness and Soulsuckers. Perhaps the Dweller-in-Darkness is the first Deviant to die on Earth in that long and that's why the Deviants are appearing again?
Prediction time! Iron gang is the street level front for Kun-Lun and everyone who doesn't get to be the iron fist. I think that there was enough good in JJ and the parts of DD and LC that didn't suck, to justify shoehorning in at least a little wiggle room to have some kind of continuity from the Netflix shows to the MCU. The Marvel Studios machinery has shown time and time again that they are masters at making most of us forget the less good stuff and inflate the value of the really good stuff.
I mean, Abomination just came back, and there's rumors of Betty Ross too. If they're gonna reincorporate The Incredible Hulk, why not do the Netflix stuff too. Finn Jones will probably be recast, which is a shame imo, but the other 3 will probably be able to keep their roles.
Can I just say that I really didn't like that we didn't get to see Katy shoot her bow on screen. Her entire character development was leading up to that, and it happened off screen.
The one problem I had with the movie was that Shang-Chi and Xialing spend too much time in Ta Lo and not enough with their father. It kind of mangles the whole 'youth standing up against their parents' theme the story was going with when it later says 'honour your mother's legacy'.
The fact I had to check to see if Ben Kingsley really won an Oscar... I know, I knew it's Ghandi... just proves how good he is both as an actor and NOT an actor. I still don't like Iron Man 3 as they were the ones throwing around the Mandarin name like it meant something, I just wanted the space dragons that come with the guy. Come on Marvel, you've done everything else, time for a kaiju movie...
I disagree about "some of daredevil being good" Imo, daredevil and punisher(the show that spun out of it) were good. And he stole the scene everytime he was on screen in defenders. The electra arc in season 2 admittedly wasn't great, but when compared to 95% of the superhero stuff on tv then or anytime up to the launch of Disney plus.. even that arc blows them out of the water.
I didn't like Punisher in his own show. I thought he was much much better as a foil character to Daredevil. I still haven't gotten to Daredevil season 3 but everyone says it's excellent?
The fact that he did carry out the assassination was, in isolation, a good plot twist. The problem is, we already saw in early fight scenes, that he didn’t really have a problem with killing people, and that he was ready to straight up murder a defeated enemy (He tried to kill the guy who trained him, and was stopped by the surprise entrance of his father. They even show that it’s not in the heat of the moment, and that he actually stops to think about it first).
I’m intrigued at the idea that Wanda was being called by the dweller in the darkness, but I can’t quite make it work in my head. The dweller was destroyed at the end of the movie. Even if it could somehow reincarnate, it wouldn’t be locked up anywhere so wouldn’t need Wanda to rescue it. 🤷
I still think that they missed a opportunity with Wenwu. I mean that guy lived through 1000 years of imperial China and then had front row seats for the Opium War and the Cultur revolution, their should be a story in there even if it just boils down to "...and thats why I neither like the west nor modern China, they know what they did."
I think they WANT to get this shown in China. Which means you don't talk about the bad shit China did. Tony would kill his career if he did that, veteran Hong Kong star or not. China took down Jack Ma, they don't care who you are.
@@0osaka You could pull it off if you are subtle about it. Making the Mandarin appear to be an oldtime burgoise type, who is mad at modern China for taking away his wealth and influence, but also sympathetic becausse he too suffered under the western imperialist while still keeping some hints that it was actually the brutallity of the cultur revolution which he hated.
So of Shang-Chi's 10 villains that are mentioned on his wikipedia page, 5 are dealt with in this film I guess he's going to be getting other characters bad guys. edit Midnight Sun has to be it, strong enough to fight Silver Surfer and saved from being killed by Shang-Chi by Kang the Conqueror.
Wong had Shang-Chi meet up with Banner so it has to be another go at Defenders right? they can't just abandon the name after the god awful Netflix version right? Ooh if they do they can use the new Protectors name they have been using since 2017.
I did see some people worry that since the Shang-Chi actor has said stuff against the Chinese's government and that is why China has banned Shang-Chi that there is a chance he will never show up in an Avenger's movie because Disney will want/need that movie to play in China and they will not take the risk. I hope that isn't the case but I could see it happening easily enough.
Genuinely a brilliant, exciting, heartfelt movie with a fantastic villain at it's heart. Felt like the best of a phase one movie. The third act does get a bit over the top but was still good. Strong 9 out of 10 for this one.
Ok, so, weird, out there idea. The guy Shang-Chi killed... is a previous Iron Fist. The guy Danny Rand was looking for in the series finale. Only he didn't really kill him, he got faked out with that technique the Iron Fists use in the comics to pretend to be dead. This gives them an opening to re-integrate the Netflix stuff and a martial arts based villain for Shang-Chi to fight, as well as retro-actively absolving the main character for murder, like they did in Black Widow. Hero can do no wrong is not my favorite trope, but Disney sure does seem to love it. I really don't see them doing the Netflix Iron Fist part, but they might do the last bit in some way. Plenty of Martial arts villains to choose from for that.
I would have really liked if that in the flash backs the subtitles were in traditional characters and simplified characters during modern times. That would have been a nice touch.
I desperately want the second Shang-Chi movie to be an Enter the Dragon, Mortal Kombat style fighting tournament. Blow that Macau scene from the first movie up into a whole movie of its own. Have the Ten Rings be running it. Easy way to cameo a whole slew of martial artist characters that you can spin off later. Bring Daredevil into it. Recast and retcon Iron Fist in there. It'd be a great place to work in a real Taskmaster.
I don't think Marvel can use the Dire Wraiths anymore. I think they're bundled with ROM over at Hasbro, since they were a MAJOR bad guy faction in IDW's post-Revolution era continuity (before the reboot of the Transformers comics post-Unicron).
Regarding the Netflix stuff. I loved the actors, but the stories felt kinda *meh* for the most part. Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, Mike Colter, John Bernthal, and Vincent D’Onofrio we’re perfect. Oh, and Scott Glen. Stick was the only thing that made Defenders somewhat watchable. They just needed better told stories to inhabit. As for all that cosmic stuff… that could be the next big “Thanos” type overarching villain. Or next next, after Kang, maybe. There could be some ancient Cthulhu monster that controls the kaiju from Shang Chi, and whatever’s calling to Wanda, and maybe something calls out to Peter in No Way Home.
I haven't watched the movie and no one has spoiled the "who did Shang kill ?" plot line but I'm going to throw Dare Devil's teacher, "Stick" in the possible people he killed.
Re: Banner looking human. This has to do with WHEN this movie happens. I had assumed Shang-Chi happened after Endgame, and there was a reference to half the population disappearing, so...I thought that confirmed it. But my wife asked at the end 'when does this happen?' and Bruce made me question...then we noticed; We never see any characters who were snapped, the earlier comment only mentioned disappearing not reappearing, Captain Marvel is rushing off to an emergency, and seeing Bruce not Hulk fits...this is BETWEEN Infinity War and Endgame.
The only thing I didn’t like about the movie was that you get no impression of how Shang Chi Functions as a superhero outside of his own movie. Like what’s his personal mission now? He and his sister parted ways on good terms and he defeated his father. That was kind of it, what does he do as a Superhero going forward?
Honestly when I saw Banner in the end credits I was like "ok then Shang-Chi took place during the time skip and that's why nobody bothered talking about other heroes because half of them were dead or quit" but I'm willing to let that go if we get more Hulk variants in She-Hulk. That being said, I was kind of expecting them to announce that we'd be getting Katy instead of Kate in the Hawkeye series as a way to further tie in Shang-Chi to the Avengers and I'm kind of disappointed they didn't do that...
The Luke Cage series wasn't as good as Black Lightning but I thought it was good. I wouldn't mind the characters returning to the MCU proper though. I mean Iron Fist was getting good too.
Bruce clearly had some sort of device on his hand (the one not in a sling), which I would assume is what allows him to now turn Hulk on and off, and which may save Marvel a bit of cash should they want to not splash out on She-Hulk always being She-Hulk.
Am I only one hoping Shang Chi shows up in future spiderman movie to teach him how to fight like he did in the Dan Slott run when Peter lost his spider sense?
This is a movie that's grown on me - I liked it in theatres but I've come to realise this is one of the MCU movies I will be happy to rewatch a bunch of times. And not just because of Leung and Morris. As for the Netflix series they tended to get the characters more right than the story. Daredevil S1 and 3, Jessica Jones S1 and Punisher S1 were really good. The season 2 of all these lost the plot or tried to have too much plot. Luke Cage was great up until the criminally stupid idea to kill off Mahershala Ali's character. I've ignored Iron Fist but I hear good things about Jessica Henwick. Kingpin and Madame Gao were absolutely brilliant and I would love to see them included in the MCU.
Presumably, that beacon is signaling to Kakaranathara, Fin Fang Foom's home world from which the rings also originate. Going to be really disappointed if that isn't the case.
So wait, did the real “Ten Rings” featured in Shang Chi ever connect to the original Ten Rings in Iron Man (2008)? Are they one and the same? Do they mention it at all in this film?
They're not. It's explained that the Ten Rings in Iron Man were just a front using the actual Ten Rings, which had gone inactive at that time, name so they'd have basically brand recognition.
Point of order: I liked Season 1 of Luke Cage. Never saw Season 2, and I admit I am mainly focused on the first half of Season 1, but Luke Cage was fun show. Luke himself is a charismatic character, Cottonmouth was awesome, the series was very different from a traditional superhero show, and overall, I think it was flawed but good.
Wait, we do know who Chang-Shi killed. For me it was pretty clear that it was the head of the iron gang. He had to kill the one who killed his mother in order to lead with his father. I thought it was pretty clear in the movie…
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I loved seeing Wong in this movie, mainly just as confirmation that Wong has a life and hobbies outside of whatever random nonsense he's forced to deal with thanks to Dr. Strange...
I need a comic tie in on how Wong and Abomination became sparring partners
@@benwasserman8223 will probably be explored in She-Hulk and or the Dark Avengers
@@benwasserman8223 A Day In The Life of Wong would be a fun one-shot.
@@peggyliepmann5248 Better yet: "Wong's day off"
@@rickrollerdude Wong just trying really hard to have a normal day where he doesn't have kooky adventures or solve everything with magic
I really feel like Wong is going to be the Phil Coulson of the mystical side of the MCU and I’m here for it
If there's a magic-specialist team in Marvel, it might be the Midnight Sons, but I'm not entirely sure.
As long as he doesn't die I'm in.
In that case, I want a Marvel One-Shot starring Wong.
Xialing and Hope Van Dyne share the "goddammit, dad, take me seriously" haircut.
Xialing rocked it big time though. Reminded me or Quorra in Tron Legacy
@@ZachBobBob Yeah, not a contest but... she definitely wins.
@@dominomasked Yeah I like Hope's hair better long.
@@ZachBobBob She reminded me of Mako from Pacific Rim. Also a badass "Dad, take me serious" type.
Benedict Wong is quietly becoming the secret weapon in the MCU. Both in his behind the scenes work ethic and his excellent screen presence.
Wong was also N00bMaster!
him and Michael Peña
Dude is fantastically funny, too. That last scene was perfect.
@@peggyliepmann5248 I think what I love about that scene is that for heroes there’s no gravitas anymore. “Oh some new guy showed up with powers? Well time to get him a gift basket and put him on the team.” Because that’s just what happens now.
@@KazeAizen Exactly. I really loved that feeling of "Hey there, new kids, welcome to the club. Here's my Twitter handle and my cell number, feel free to call" Much appreciated after the whole debacle last time.
Honestly wouldn't mind if Awkwafina's Katy teamed up with Kate Bishop in the future.
"Hey we're both Kates and we both have bows. We should totally team up. But first... (hard cut to singing karaoke)."
Given Hailee Steinfeld’s time on Pitch Perfect, that works perfectly.
100 000x this
The next Avengers HQ needs a built-in karaoke room.
@@benwasserman8223 Also her two EPs and dozen-plus pop singles.
That would be fun. Honestly, if they hadn't announced Hawkeye, my first thought would have been about that. Like them sneaking a little teaser in about her white last name being Bishop etc
If they retcon the Netflix stuff into the greater MCU, I'd want them to do kinda like how they did the new Suicide Squad: keep the stuff people liked, imply that they happened without making people who never watched those shows feel left out, make improvements to existing characters/plotlines that still feel in line with the originals, don't make any drastic changes like reviving dead characters out of nowhere, ignore everything else.
That being said, I'm down for them rebooting Iron Fist. And maybe give Elektra a second chance.
Or they could say that that particular timeline was not the sacred timeline and so you can keep what worked and boot what didn't that way.
Same, heck, I feel Ironfist could be the Next character in line if a Shang-Chi 2 film hits and we gets some more badass fight scenes!
Trevor and Morris can start doing the Stan Lee cameos. I would accept this update to the MCU
One of the things I love about the Marvel movies is I've never had to say "Bob has put more thought into this than Kevin Feige".
Honestly, as for who Shang-Chi killed, I think it's a very simple answer: it doesn't actually matter WHO it was, just that he went through with it, then found out that the man was a father. Suddenly, he's at the other end of the knife that killed his mom, and CRISIS!!!!
Simple answer, yes, but it would be fitting character-wise, because he sounds pretty broken up about it, and so ashamed of it all that he can't bring himself to finish the story.
Okay, but if they're going to go for something big and dramatic that leads to fights? (And these are still Marvel movies, so of course they'll go for that angle.) I know this might be kind of weird, and would definitely involve officially rebooting Daredevil (so who cares, really?), but: Jack. Murdock.
Honestly I didn't even think of who he killed, just that he had killed someone. The question of who, and why it matters never crossed my mind. This gets lost in film land a little but killing anyone is a pretty big deal cause IRL that shit fucks you up if you aren't a literal psycho.
@@azamonra Agreed. This fourteen year old kid spent years preparing to kill this person, and when he does...it doesn't change anything. His mother's still dead, his family's still shattered, he's a child alone in a foreign country, and killing the man responsible didn't make that go away. Just that would be enough to drive Shang-Chi to run away from that which made this whole thing happen in the first place, away from the person he was, what his father made him into.
Yeah, who he killed is something they could come back to and use as a hook for future developments, but it's also something that doesn't actually matter until and unless they do make something of it.
What's important is not that he killed some specific person, but that he killed a man, albeit one who provided him with a good reason to want to.
They WILL tie it up in a bow. Because they can't help themselves. Personally, I hope Shang-Chi killed his universe's Ike Perlmutter.
The Abomination being friends with or at least doing some long con with Wong in the area of illegal underground dark web fights, because why wouldn't a monk sorcerer librarian be involved in illegal underground dark web fights?, is just the kind of weird tangent to stick in my head for the rest of this phase.
He got to have money to pay for the deli somehow.
He lives in Manhattan do you know how much it costs to live there? Even a wizard can't do it without a side hustle anymore.
My headcanon is that at some point Luis and maybe one of his family members helped Shang-chi hide and integrate into America. That'd be a fun Luis Recap, don't you think? Maybe he's the reason why his American name is Shaun!
That could be fun. I love Luis and his recaps are some of the funniest things in the franchise. Can't wait for him to recap being snapped and unsnapped in AntMan 3.
TREVOR SLATTERY IS BACK. AND HE GAVE MORRIS HIS NAME.
It's always the little things in Marvel movies that make me smile... like in "Captain Marvel," when Goose hacks up the Tesseract like a hairball. Or Howard The Duck's cameo in that "Guardians Of The Galaxy" stinger.
Same. I laughed and clapped while my nieces looked at me like I was crazy.
@@Thessalin "Ladies And Gentlemen... HOWARD THE DUCK!"
This is why Marvel wins.over the other guys. (I loved Shazam! And The Suicide Squad too,relax) They will mention the b-list and goofy stuff and don't feel the need to exert their superiority about it. They know this stuff is fun and don't feel bad making sure we have fun with it. No more black leather and snarking about cheesy costumes. Thank you Marvel for getting it right.
@@jordansweet8054 EXACTLY. They're up-front about how goofy and "Comics Are Weird" this stuff is. After all... comic-books are for kids. That's not to say adult audiences can't enjoy them or that all geek-entertainment needs to be "Blue's Clues," It's just to say that what is... is.
Wong's "literal" Death experience in Dr. Strange seems to have transformed him...remember when he said "don't stop now"? after being resurrected by the time stone?THat's the first time he cracked a joke. (Though he seemed to loosen up just by listening to Beyonce earlier in movie...so there were hints)
Re: Xialing as Ten Rings boss... The MCU now has two tertiary female characters with secret crime empires (Agent Carter as Power Broker being the other one).
Both based in Asia too. Hell, I always figured Madripoor was supposed to be Macau in the first place
Three if we’re counting Yelena managing what’s left of the Red Room and the girls from the Black Widow program. Four if we’re also counting whatever Contessa Valentina is setting up.
I kinda dig that.
@@Woynich Oh yeah, they're absolutely teaming up. Maybe not Yelena who will probably end up on Young Avengers, but I bet whatever Madame Hydra is doing involves Xialing sooner than later.
@@shadebug I think Madripoor is supposed to be Singapore.
So I just thought the Dweller in Darkness was supposed to be Fin Fang Foom, but they didn't want to call him that.
Also Trevor has to meet Luis at some point.
I would love it if they had a movie or Disney Plus series just called "Marvel Team-up" where they just picked out two (or more) characters and plunked them down in a weird situation and had them deal with it. The comic version starred mainly Spider-man, but the movie/TV version could be anyone.
Kind of like an MCU Mad-Libs.
Writer 1: Okay, "Exotic locale"
Writer 2: (draws card) Madripoor
Writer 1: Okay, "Character 1"
Writer 2: Human Torch
Writer 1: "Magic Item"
Writer 2: The Crimson Gem Of Cyttorak
Writer 1: and "character 2"
Writer 2: Beta Ray Bill
Tell me you wouldn't watch that.
Ken.
I’d watch that.
One more reason to like the Xialing story is its implications for the espionage/underworld part of the MCU, which is rapidly filling up with morally grey characters with very different motives.
There are probably still many Black Widows running around the world trying to free each other, often from places of power. Agent 13 is back in DC and still has operatives in Madripoor. Then there is whatever the Contessa is up to. Either Wolverine or X-23 is coming to the MCU soon. The Ghost is still out there somewhere. Has Hank Pym been cleared yet, or is he still considered a criminal? Gambit might be coming to the MCU. Moon Knight is definitely coming to the MCU. Blade is coming, which means so are various secret societies of vampires and an entire nation of vampires ruled by a vampire king. Then on top of all that, there is a space ship full of ostensibly good Skrulls near Earth somewhere, which means it's only a matter of time before bad Skrulls show up and start infiltrating things.
I'm surprised they haven't added Grey Hulk to complicate things even further.
If Shang Chi gets a sequel I think it would be cool if he teams up with a recast Iron First to fight a rebooted Hand. Even though the Hand did not work out in the Defenders I do think it is worth giving them a second chance simply for seeing kung fu superheroes' fighting undead ninjas. Also out of all the Netflix heroes Iron First definitely needs a reboot.
To be fair they did get Danny right in that one episode of Luke Cage. But idk if it transferred to IF S2.
Ta-Lo defender vs K'un-Lun defender Iron Fist. I am assuming that Ta-Lo is one of the Capital Cities of Heaven.
Iron Fist absolutely does not need a reboot. The only USP of the brand is incredibly outdated.
@@benwasserman8223 Danny always worked better as a supporting character anyway. The worst part is the actor was pretty good but IF show was so poorly written he did not have much if anything to work with.
If they make The Hand one of the other organizations under Wen Wus control (like a loose grip, let them work it out deal) that could explain some of the connections. Maybe that's how Signounery Weaver and all them stayed immortal as long as they did.
Sequel pitch: I love Bob's 'go small scale, brutal hand-to-hand' idea; have the villain be someone massively tall (ideally an athlete), and do a blow for blow retread of the Bruce Lee vs. Kareem Abdul-Jabar fight. I know it won't happen, but I can dream.
I loved all the stuff they did with the Rings in the movie, it made it feel like a live action Bayonetta/God of War style video game.
when Shang returns to his old training grounds, the first thing that popped up in my head was, "Oh, punching post, you were my only friend.".
Really loved how Shang-Chi just opened a whole big world of possibilities for the MCU. Just when we thought we'd seen everything we get whole new paradigms in the mix
2:00 - Kung-fu darth Vader? Treats his son like trash, creates an empire so he get his dead wife back but destroy the world in the process? He’s Kung Fu Gendo Ikari.
Yeah, Gendo's probably a more accurate comparison.
Yeah, but that's a deeper cut. Not everyone's an anime-dork like us.
Have no idea who that is.
@@AdamYJ watch Evengelion
@@changhyon92 Or you could just answer the query instead of being a gatekeeping douchebag.
Gendo Ikari is a character from the anime "Neon Genesis Evangelion," the director of the anti-Angel organization NERV and father of main character Shinji Ikari.
The Dweller in the Darkness look exactly as Dr Strange look like when he bring back Christine.
When you have Sir Ben Kingsley you use Sir Ben Kingsley. I don't care what he wants to do with the character you let him do it. He brings gravitas to a comedic role. He makes the movie worth seeing by himself. Him and Harrison Ford are the only reason Ender's Game is bearable.
One of the Greatest actors in the world playing a bad actor who is so method he doesn't know what is real. There is a meta joke in there somewhere.
Well said.
@@paulsardinasify Actually you might say that Trevor is a damn *good* actor. His "Mandarin" was pretty damn convincing and he pulled a Scheherazade on the real 1000-plus-year-old superhuman warlord to let him live for entertainment.
All this stuff about The Dweller in Darkness makes me wonder how Kang is going to tie into this.
Would love to see the MCU's take on a Lovecraftian threat. I think it is being set up.
7:15 And it was accurate to Chinese lore too (with it breathing water and generally being associated with water rather them fire)!
No love for Razorfist?
He was ridiculous in the comics and... actually alright here
"Dwellers in Darkness" by August Derleth 1976.
More and more Cthulhu Mythos is creeping inn the MCU in 2021.......
Marvel Netflix: First Season of Daredevil? Pretty good. First Season of Jessica Jones? AWESOME. First Season of Luke Cage? Pretty good. The rest of it...Sigh. I have to assume a mix of budget cuts and being told "you guys AREN'T canon" took the wind out of everyone's sails. If I were to assume why? VERY easy to assume Feige operates the film division under two edicts: 1. No Edgelords or Association with Edgelords. 2. NOTHING Can De-Legitimize Movie Plot-Points. The only show out of Marvel Television that violates neither of those two rules would be Agent Carter.
Punisher was good too
To be fair I feel like no edgelords would be a good idea, unless it's like a joke I'm really tired of edgelord characters and stories. I got enough to be depressed about I don't need fiction adding on to it. Though I think the reason for the MCU ignoring tv and making it non-canon is that feige vs perlmutter fued had something to do with it. As much as people complain about the marvel tone in movies many people still go to see them and for the most part they're quality movies and fiege knows how to produce a quality movie. He's been in the industry a long time. With perlmutter he's cheap, racist, sexist, and is more interested in the bottom line than in the movies. Perlmutter was over the marvel Netflix stuff(daredevil, Jessica jones,Luke cage, iron fist, defenders) and the marvel TV stuff(agents of sheild, agent carter, the inhumans, the runaways.) I think from those selection of shows you can see the issue. The tv shows also pretty much only got the scraps the movies didn't really want or need. Perlmutter also was heavily against women led movies cause he felt they didn't sell well and thought all black people looked the same (so he was probably against non-white leads for similar reasons). I think that's why your seeing character characters like shang-chi and black panther and Captain marvel now as opposed to much earlier.
Luke Cage was my favorite of the Netflix shows by far. If anything, season two was an improvement.
i thought the third season of daredevil was amazing
Luke Cage was good, but it died with Cottonmouth.
Daredevil was good, until it tried to juggle legal procedural, scrappy startup company drama, undead ninjas, corrupt cops, and a love story, plus a crazy ex girlfriend, a wise old master searching for a mystical weapon, an evil twin (sorta), and I’m probably forgetting something. It was just too many short narrative threads.
Plus, it’s hard to have a combat hero be on his heels, getting his butt kicked, but just barely managed to survive and beat the baddie … in almost every single episode.
Luke Cage was fantastic, and Cottonmouth, Bushmaster, and Mariah Dillard were all great villains.
I loved the movie, loved revisiting Trevor Slattery, I also thought the big reveal of who Shang-Chi killed was Katy's grandfather, I'm glad they didn't go there. Loved Dweller in the Dark even if they changed his appearance.
I am now curious that since there was a cameo of the Kumiho in Ta-Lo, is this a way of introducing in a future film White Fox? She's a fairly new and little known character overall. But she would be an interesting choice in bringing another diverse character into the MCU.
If Shang-Chi becomes an Avenger, he better get a weekly karaoke night set up for the new team.
Yes! Have it be the new "shawarma" scene!
Hope the sequel is called shang chi and the masters of kung fu and we get some cool cameos from other obscure fighters. Maybe chi shenanigans
Maybe we can also get some more homages to more Kung Fu films. I loved all the callbacks to Kung Fu Hustle!
Do you mean Chi-nanigans?
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I'll see myself out.
@@bodybagbilly ohoHO jokes like that will fit right into the mcu
I would want it to be called "The Hands of Shang-Chi", that way they could use the advertising tagline "Catch These Hands!"
My favorite part was when the anti-sjw content creators keep crying and moving the goal posts, then cry when the star of the film claps back at the grifters
And the fact they all had to play victim “WAAH THE ACTOR IS BEING MEAN TO US FANS!”
Especially one guy in particular who hasn’t been the same since Zack Snyder called him out directly.
I feel we’re a) giving these grifting c**ts more attention than they deserve and b) making the conversation about them. Again.
But you’re on the right path calling them out as charlatans who don’t even believe the crap they spout.
@@TheFreshcorn1 has that tactic ever worked? I’m in the Star Wars fandom and every time I see anyone saying that, I just go “Grow up. Just…get a life.” I have zero sympathy now.
I tend not to go looking for this stuff, but y'all got me curious. Who said what about the movie, and what did Simu Liu say in response?
@@katherinealvarez9216 agreed there. I feel like I can't even watch American star wars fans anymore because 90% of them start crying about a "civil war within Lucas films" whenever any star wars news comes up. It's ridiculous how franchises about good vs evil turn people into the worst versions of themselves
Katie should have driven the dragon at the end of the film! They set her up as an expert driver the WHOLE FILM and all the do is give her a bow at random at the end?!?!?
Why did they set up amazing Dragon Riding Girl just to turn her into a generic bow girl last second?!?!? XD
8:00 - I just realised that a sober rendition of the Dr Strange theme is playing while Wanda looks through the book... Nice bit of reference.
"Kung -Fu Darth Vader" is the whole movie lol.
I guess they can call Fin Fang Foom just "Foom" if he ever comes into the picture.
Meh, I don't see why his name would matter, he's a space dragon not a Chinese guy.
@@azamonra He's also a talking Dragon, so a piece of dialogue about his name could go like this "Really --- you're calling me a dragon? Astute assumption, human... I've got a Fin, Fangs and whenever I set off my blowtorch of a mouth it goes FOOOOOM!"
Just seen Shang-Chi and loved it :) In terms of a 2nd film looking for a more martial arts nemesis, I would just brick it if it was "Mad Dog" from The Raid (Yayan Ruhian)
Thanks for the point at 0:20. im going to put off watching this one for a while because spoilers but honestly it's frustrating as hell to live in somewhere like texas where we literally have some of the highest overhospitalization, mortality rates in the world from covid and people are still refusing to mask, social distance or respect the most common sense behaviors. I can't go to a theater when i literally live in the hardest hit city in the country by the delta variant as much as i want to. I honestly don't get why the fuck companies are not doing digital releases, i'd pay for it happily. im sure most would.
It's frustrating, to be sure. Stay safe down there!
My suspicion concerning Banner appearing human in the post-credits:
Ruffalo might be getting tired of being Banner and Marvel might be considering passing the mantle of the Hulk to Amadeus Cho, the son of Dr. Helen Cho, last seen in Age of Ultron. This suspicion is slightly bolstered by the casting of Korean heartthrob Park Seo Joon being cast for an as-of-now unknown role in The Marvels.
I hope not. There’s so much more that can be done with the Hulk (the _real_ Hulk). I mean, the haven’t even scratched the surface!
@@lovecraftianleviathan8918 fo worry lol the real reason is because Mark Ruffalo wants to be in the She Hulk show and Marvel wants to save on their Hulk budget
I do want Cho Hulk, but first we need Grey Hulk
@@troyjardine5850
Yes! Mr Fixit!
At this point, it's an MCU tradition that Bruce/Hulk has his/their character development happen entirely offscreen, with only hints and exposition happening onscreen.
I have heard that it's due to rights issues with Universal, though there are mixed reports whether all rights have finally reverted to Marvel, or Universal still holds some. My research suggests that there was a rumour early last year that Marvel had got them back, which got widely reported as fact, before corrections came out months later. It seems that Universal (still) has distribution rights to any Hulk movies (which would presumably also include any where Hulk/Bruce has a major enough role).
If that's the case, then there aren't going to be any Hulk solo movies, and only limited focus on the Hulk in team-ups, until the rights revert to Marvel.
I think the Ten Rings beacon is going to be much more simple and tie in with Eternals. The Ten Rings could be Celestial/Eternal artifacts (or even Deviant artifacts), and the monsters from the Eternals trailers share some similar aesthetic choices to the Dweller-in-Darkness and Soulsuckers. Perhaps the Dweller-in-Darkness is the first Deviant to die on Earth in that long and that's why the Deviants are appearing again?
The Dire-wraiths?! It better include my boy *ROM, The Space Knight!*
Holy shit!!! Conan is part of the Cthulu mythos!? How did I not know that??? I have some reading to do...
Prediction time! Iron gang is the street level front for Kun-Lun and everyone who doesn't get to be the iron fist. I think that there was enough good in JJ and the parts of DD and LC that didn't suck, to justify shoehorning in at least a little wiggle room to have some kind of continuity from the Netflix shows to the MCU. The Marvel Studios machinery has shown time and time again that they are masters at making most of us forget the less good stuff and inflate the value of the really good stuff.
I mean, Abomination just came back, and there's rumors of Betty Ross too. If they're gonna reincorporate The Incredible Hulk, why not do the Netflix stuff too. Finn Jones will probably be recast, which is a shame imo, but the other 3 will probably be able to keep their roles.
They also make the less good stuff more interesting. I went back to Thor The Dark World after Endgame before Loki and it's much more interesting now.
@@jordansweet8054 or how with Ross and Abomination returning the Incredible Hulk is retroactively made important.
@@kidanarchy2105 Very true. I never got the hate for it.
@@jordansweet8054 Iron Fist or Incredible Hulk?
Can I just say that I really didn't like that we didn't get to see Katy shoot her bow on screen. Her entire character development was leading up to that, and it happened off screen.
The one problem I had with the movie was that Shang-Chi and Xialing spend too much time in Ta Lo and not enough with their father. It kind of mangles the whole 'youth standing up against their parents' theme the story was going with when it later says 'honour your mother's legacy'.
The fact I had to check to see if Ben Kingsley really won an Oscar... I know, I knew it's Ghandi... just proves how good he is both as an actor and NOT an actor.
I still don't like Iron Man 3 as they were the ones throwing around the Mandarin name like it meant something, I just wanted the space dragons that come with the guy.
Come on Marvel, you've done everything else, time for a kaiju movie...
Kung Fu Darth Vader...
Never have I wanted to see a movie THIS MUCH BEFORE!!!
The Punisher was great, and Jon Bernthal is a great Punisher
I always need to catch my breath when done watching your vids
I disagree about "some of daredevil being good"
Imo, daredevil and punisher(the show that spun out of it) were good. And he stole the scene everytime he was on screen in defenders. The electra arc in season 2 admittedly wasn't great, but when compared to 95% of the superhero stuff on tv then or anytime up to the launch of Disney plus.. even that arc blows them out of the water.
This.
Also, I thought most of Luke Cage season 1 was really good. They didn't stick the landing though, and that's where it counts.
I didn't like Punisher in his own show. I thought he was much much better as a foil character to Daredevil. I still haven't gotten to Daredevil season 3 but everyone says it's excellent?
Even if you didn’t like Season 2, Season 3 of Daredevil swings back in a big way. It would be criminal not to put these people in the movies
The fact that he did carry out the assassination was, in isolation, a good plot twist. The problem is, we already saw in early fight scenes, that he didn’t really have a problem with killing people, and that he was ready to straight up murder a defeated enemy (He tried to kill the guy who trained him, and was stopped by the surprise entrance of his father. They even show that it’s not in the heat of the moment, and that he actually stops to think about it first).
I’m intrigued at the idea that Wanda was being called by the dweller in the darkness, but I can’t quite make it work in my head. The dweller was destroyed at the end of the movie. Even if it could somehow reincarnate, it wouldn’t be locked up anywhere so wouldn’t need Wanda to rescue it. 🤷
Who to says that one of his allies that Bob mention can't do the same trick, or he try to do it with her but she didn't show up in time.
I just realized how much the villains arc in this Mirrors Uldren Sovs arc in Destiny 2 : Forsaken
3:37 Mr. Chipman really wants Joe Fixit.
I COMPLETELY forgot about whoever Shang killed lol
I still think that they missed a opportunity with Wenwu. I mean that guy lived through 1000 years of imperial China and then had front row seats for the Opium War and the Cultur revolution, their should be a story in there even if it just boils down to "...and thats why I neither like the west nor modern China, they know what they did."
I think they WANT to get this shown in China. Which means you don't talk about the bad shit China did. Tony would kill his career if he did that, veteran Hong Kong star or not. China took down Jack Ma, they don't care who you are.
@@0osaka You could pull it off if you are subtle about it. Making the Mandarin appear to be an oldtime burgoise type, who is mad at modern China for taking away his wealth and influence, but also sympathetic becausse he too suffered under the western imperialist while still keeping some hints that it was actually the brutallity of the cultur revolution which he hated.
I just watched this tonight and it was awesome. Now that I've seen it this video will be a viable watch.
Surprised MovieBob didn't blow up about the Awkwafina arrow scene. That was straight up laughable lol
Fun Outside Bet for who did he killed: Jack Murdoch
So of Shang-Chi's 10 villains that are mentioned on his wikipedia page, 5 are dealt with in this film I guess he's going to be getting other characters bad guys.
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Midnight Sun has to be it, strong enough to fight Silver Surfer and saved from being killed by Shang-Chi by Kang the Conqueror.
Wong had Shang-Chi meet up with Banner so it has to be another go at Defenders right? they can't just abandon the name after the god awful Netflix version right?
Ooh if they do they can use the new Protectors name they have been using since 2017.
Engagement for the engagement god!
I did see some people worry that since the Shang-Chi actor has said stuff against the Chinese's government and that is why China has banned Shang-Chi that there is a chance he will never show up in an Avenger's movie because Disney will want/need that movie to play in China and they will not take the risk. I hope that isn't the case but I could see it happening easily enough.
There's been talk that this has been based on an inaccurate translation of what he said
Genuinely a brilliant, exciting, heartfelt movie with a fantastic villain at it's heart. Felt like the best of a phase one movie. The third act does get a bit over the top but was still good. Strong 9 out of 10 for this one.
Huh, neat info!
Ok, so, weird, out there idea. The guy Shang-Chi killed... is a previous Iron Fist. The guy Danny Rand was looking for in the series finale. Only he didn't really kill him, he got faked out with that technique the Iron Fists use in the comics to pretend to be dead. This gives them an opening to re-integrate the Netflix stuff and a martial arts based villain for Shang-Chi to fight, as well as retro-actively absolving the main character for murder, like they did in Black Widow. Hero can do no wrong is not my favorite trope, but Disney sure does seem to love it. I really don't see them doing the Netflix Iron Fist part, but they might do the last bit in some way. Plenty of Martial arts villains to choose from for that.
Now it's been confirmed they're doing Secret Wars, I have a hunch that the Ten Rings are calling out to the Beyonder.
I would have really liked if that in the flash backs the subtitles were in traditional characters and simplified characters during modern times. That would have been a nice touch.
Hey Bob?! Sorry to comment something unrelated, but please PLEASE tell me you’re gonna do some kind of video on Malignant?
"Retrofitted in backwards".... *Twitch*
I desperately want the second Shang-Chi movie to be an Enter the Dragon, Mortal Kombat style fighting tournament. Blow that Macau scene from the first movie up into a whole movie of its own. Have the Ten Rings be running it. Easy way to cameo a whole slew of martial artist characters that you can spin off later. Bring Daredevil into it. Recast and retcon Iron Fist in there. It'd be a great place to work in a real Taskmaster.
Actually having Taskmaster and Shang chi fight could work, since it be like he fighting almost every hero in the MCU sans aliens and iron man
@@cameronheaton9900 It would be awesome.
It’s also interesting that the end card says “The Ten Rings will return”
I don't think Marvel can use the Dire Wraiths anymore. I think they're bundled with ROM over at Hasbro, since they were a MAJOR bad guy faction in IDW's post-Revolution era continuity (before the reboot of the Transformers comics post-Unicron).
Regarding the Netflix stuff. I loved the actors, but the stories felt kinda *meh* for the most part. Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, Mike Colter, John Bernthal, and Vincent D’Onofrio we’re perfect. Oh, and Scott Glen. Stick was the only thing that made Defenders somewhat watchable. They just needed better told stories to inhabit.
As for all that cosmic stuff… that could be the next big “Thanos” type overarching villain. Or next next, after Kang, maybe.
There could be some ancient Cthulhu monster that controls the kaiju from Shang Chi, and whatever’s calling to Wanda, and maybe something calls out to Peter in No Way Home.
I haven't watched the movie and no one has spoiled the "who did Shang kill ?" plot line but I'm going to throw Dare Devil's teacher, "Stick" in the possible people he killed.
So a Chinese Dragon vs. A Dark Souls Dragon in the final battle. So fun.
Re: Banner looking human. This has to do with WHEN this movie happens. I had assumed Shang-Chi happened after Endgame, and there was a reference to half the population disappearing, so...I thought that confirmed it.
But my wife asked at the end 'when does this happen?' and Bruce made me question...then we noticed; We never see any characters who were snapped, the earlier comment only mentioned disappearing not reappearing, Captain Marvel is rushing off to an emergency, and seeing Bruce not Hulk fits...this is BETWEEN Infinity War and Endgame.
Watching this a month later because I finally saw Shaun Chi
This is what Iron Fist SHOULD'VE been
The only thing I didn’t like about the movie was that you get no impression of how Shang Chi Functions as a superhero outside of his own movie. Like what’s his personal mission now? He and his sister parted ways on good terms and he defeated his father. That was kind of it, what does he do as a Superhero going forward?
Honestly when I saw Banner in the end credits I was like "ok then Shang-Chi took place during the time skip and that's why nobody bothered talking about other heroes because half of them were dead or quit" but I'm willing to let that go if we get more Hulk variants in She-Hulk.
That being said, I was kind of expecting them to announce that we'd be getting Katy instead of Kate in the Hawkeye series as a way to further tie in Shang-Chi to the Avengers and I'm kind of disappointed they didn't do that...
Nope. Banner's snapping arm was in a sling just like Hulk's at the end of endgame.
The Luke Cage series wasn't as good as Black Lightning but I thought it was good. I wouldn't mind the characters returning to the MCU proper though. I mean Iron Fist was getting good too.
12:34 did anyone else hear the bottle clink or is that just me....
Bruce clearly had some sort of device on his hand (the one not in a sling), which I would assume is what allows him to now turn Hulk on and off, and which may save Marvel a bit of cash should they want to not splash out on She-Hulk always being She-Hulk.
I feel like I could've phrased "splash out on She-Hulk" better...
Watching this after watching the movie.
Am I only one hoping Shang Chi shows up in future spiderman movie to teach him how to fight like he did in the Dan Slott run when Peter lost his spider sense?
This is a movie that's grown on me - I liked it in theatres but I've come to realise this is one of the MCU movies I will be happy to rewatch a bunch of times. And not just because of Leung and Morris. As for the Netflix series they tended to get the characters more right than the story. Daredevil S1 and 3, Jessica Jones S1 and Punisher S1 were really good. The season 2 of all these lost the plot or tried to have too much plot. Luke Cage was great up until the criminally stupid idea to kill off Mahershala Ali's character. I've ignored Iron Fist but I hear good things about Jessica Henwick. Kingpin and Madame Gao were absolutely brilliant and I would love to see them included in the MCU.
and that's how you do a spoiler review you don't just talk about the things you speculate a little bit cause it is a fun thing to do
No. I didn't forget who he killed, but it's pretty obvious it's Katie's dad.
Shang Chi killed lots of guys. This movie had so many straight up murders by the hero I thought he was the Punisher.
Thanks Bob
Presumably, that beacon is signaling to Kakaranathara, Fin Fang Foom's home world from which the rings also originate. Going to be really disappointed if that isn't the case.
So wait, did the real “Ten Rings” featured in Shang Chi ever connect to the original Ten Rings in Iron Man (2008)?
Are they one and the same? Do they mention it at all in this film?
It's never said outright, but I believe it's implied in that montage of Ten Rings attacks and that the group in Iron Man is shown briefly
They're not. It's explained that the Ten Rings in Iron Man were just a front using the actual Ten Rings, which had gone inactive at that time, name so they'd have basically brand recognition.
@@azamonra Which suggests that the Ten Rings in Iron Man were really A.I.M., because that was Killian’s organization.
@@AdamYJ More or less yes it was, which is yet another reason I hate that film.
Point of order: I liked Season 1 of Luke Cage. Never saw Season 2, and I admit I am mainly focused on the first half of Season 1, but Luke Cage was fun show. Luke himself is a charismatic character, Cottonmouth was awesome, the series was very different from a traditional superhero show, and overall, I think it was flawed but good.
Is it even worth having the Dire Wraiths if you can’t also have Rom, spaceknight!?
Wait, we do know who Chang-Shi killed. For me it was pretty clear that it was the head of the iron gang. He had to kill the one who killed his mother in order to lead with his father. I thought it was pretty clear in the movie…