Hey Bob, BOTH the "Sad/angry about losing years of personal progress because bad shit happened" And "I shouldn't feel bad because the bad thing hurt others worse" things are NORMAL. I've been dealing with them for over a decade with military-related PTSD. You go ahead and feel those ways.
Funny you should say that. Just recently on a web cast, he said, “Do these people really have nothing to do with their time than signing fucking petitions?”
Its so bizarre that the fact it only took a couple of films to change their opinions about him. I mean seriously these people only live to be miserable.
These fuckers are capital-P pathetic. They're now gushing over The Batman movie as they did with BvS and the Nolan films. Enough, FFS. It's time to kick these losers to the curb and move forward. If only to give us a far more colorful/stylized Batman for once.
The one that stands out to me is, after over a decade of declaring "George Lucas r***ed my childhood" in the wake of the prequels, the Star Wars 'sequel trilogy' comes out, and suddenly they're "masterpieces not appreciated in their time" and "Kathleen Kennedy is ruining Lucas's vision" and blah blah blah.
Especially since the _exact same_ people were like, "Affleck can't be Batman. He was in that shitty Daredevil movie." When: 1) I personally don't think Daredevil was bad as far as my memory serves. And 2) It's been at least 10 years since Daredevil. He's not the same person he was in 2013 when Batman v Superman was announced compared to 2003.
@@christopherb501 I do wonder if some of that comes down to age. Are the people defending the prequels mostly the ones who saw them first as kids? In ~10 years will there be a similar group claiming the latest Star Wars release is trash and the sequel trilogy was the greatest? It's possible, or we can help break the cycle by reminding people it's not a competition and you're allowed to like AND dislike different installments in a franchise AND people will have different opinions to yours AND that's okay.
The Legends pulling a Captain Planet-meets-Ghostbusters to save the timestream from demons by manifesting a kaiju, in-Universe Furby knockoff is a more ridiculously awesome moment than it had any right to be.
“Being more ridiculously awesome than it has any right to be” has been Legends of Tomorrow’s miracle trick since Season 2. I mean we currently have the team running from robot doppelgängers who act like Rob Liefeld knockoffs while they recently survived a demonic reality TV show spell… and somehow we’re still on board with it all.
@@benwasserman8223 I quit the Arrowverse after Oliver died in Crisis and Mia's show got pre-cancelled. From what I've seen and heard in passing, it got more complicated and disappointing after that, with Ruby leaving Batwoman after one season and the majority of the founding shows having run their course. Now we're left with Superman and Lois, a show about one of Superman's Stangirls, and apparently, LOT is still chugging. My soul hurts. I wouldn't be averse to an HBOMAX series based on Mick's erotic novels, though.
@@seanwilkinson7431 Honestly it’s not that bad. S&L is great, Legends is great, Stargirl’s great. Even Batwoman’s shift from Kate to Ryan wasn’t bad, but yeah the behind the scenes drama with Ruby Rose isn’t good. Honestly the only show actually struggling is Flash, but everyone trying to disavow the entire franchise is just generating clickbait. Plus Naomi is only two episodes in. That’s hardly enough to diss it.
@@seanwilkinson7431 I mean, it's okay if it's not your cup of tea or anything, but Superman & Lois is the best DC TV show I've ever seen and it swung for the fences right out of the gate, season 1! I mean, Batwoman and Legends of Tomorrow weren't even half as good in their first seasons...heck, I tuned out of Legends of Tomorrow halfway through the first season. I'm glad I picked it up again later on though, because I love what Legends became when it dropped Vandal Savage and that arc's dreary seriousness like a hot plate. Also, from what I've heard (so take this with a grain of salt) Ruby Rose got seriously hurt working on Batwoman. I can't blame her for a second for leaving because of that.
Entitled fandoms are (a) why I had to stop dealing with other fans of things that I like and (b) are why we can't have nice things. And I don't feel bad about complaining about this when there are worse things going on, because I think the entitled fandoms are a symptom of the worse things going on.
The almost daily Boba Fett is great/Boba Fett is a travesty flipflopping has been especially bad. I honestly wonder how many are doing it just to juice the YT algorithm and maximise ad revenue.
@@AndrewMcColl Yeah, THAT'S kind of the heart of the problem. Online media encourages angry takes. Twitter and TH-cam are particularly bad about it. If you want to be popular on a social platform, especially in the pop culture sphere, you're a lot more likely to pull it off by being an angry hater than by being nice or reasonable. (I mean, seriously, how can people wring so much angst out of a few colorful motorcycles that were onscreen for, like, five minutes? Even if someone disliked them, they really weren't that big a deal. It wasn't even the first time blatantly 50s iconography has been shoehorned into Star Wars. Have we forgotten Dex's diner in Ep 2? The waitress droid was named FL0 for crissake.)
@@jasonblalock4429 and the whole franchise was created by the guy behind American Graffiti. But yes, let's make 20 minute videos about how a specific plot point makes no sense for a bunch of reasons taken from the now defunct Legends stories. Woo.
As I keep saying, NONE of this started with the Internet. Track down Harlan Ellison's essay "Xenogenesis", which chronicled escalating fandom ugliness in the pre-Internet era and see if you don't experience any flashbacks.
Andrew Garfield has been pretty clear on being a big spider-man fan and that getting the role meant a lot to him. He wasn’t the bad part in them and shows time and time again that on his part he got the chops to do Spider-Man justice. Also I don’t think he views making ASM 1-2 a miserable experience. Based on what I recall from the interviews of that time he seemed most upset with the editing room.
Honestly if we get another movie with the affable nerd Spiderman that Garfield played in NWH instead of the weird "The Cooler Peter Parker" energy we got in AS1-2, I'll go see that and be happy about it!
As usually Bob argues from his "Raimi Great, TAS an absolute failure" perspective, which leads him to overlook a few things. For starters, the Garfield was genuinely excited to play the role, and that this excitement shined through his performance, which is why it HAS been a discussion for a long time if he or McGuire were better (usually with a tentative "Garfield was the better Spiderman, McGuire the better Petter Parker agreement" - not that this is my view, mind you), until Holland came along and, to the anger of Raimi hardcore fans basically ended the discussion by a lot of people agreeing that he manages to offer the best of both. Consequently Bob doesn't get that there are people who really wanted Garfield to have the chance to be Spider-man in a better received film, which is basically what happened now, hence the appetite has been wetted. Affleck on the other hand...yeah, I can imagine which subset of the internetspace (I hesitate to say fandom) is now making a fuss around that.
@@swanpride okay, but for real though both of the ASM movies were quite bad. This little stint in NWH, to me, proves that with the right script and directing, Garfield has a shot at doing something close to what is probably the best Peter Parker in media to date, that being Peter in the PS4 Spider-Man game.
@@submortimer Okay, for real though, I quite enjoyed the first ASM, and there are parts of the second one I genuinely like, too. And also for real: I am not the only one who feels this way.
@@swanpride I agree. I enjoyed both of those movies pretty well. If ASM2 had cut the "Peter's parents" plot line, I think it would've been a perfectly fine movie, and I'm always going to give it massive props for being willing to kill off Gwen. That moment was excellently handled.
Jesus fucking Christ, I’ve been saying this for so long, entitled snyder fans are so obsessed with their lord and master they don’t give a shit that Affleck wants out for his own mental health, instead he should just suck it up and continue with their master’s vision which btw is dead at this point, leave the man alone, Jesus!
Arguably they don't give a real shit about Snyder either, despite his personal tragedy. Yes, I've come to despise his style for its mediocrity and plagiarizing of superior source material to be any good. But I can't help but wonder if he got locked in the same cage they're currently trying to throw Affleck in.
@@johnathonhaney8291 this 100%, Snyder is done with Warner, with good reason, his daughter died and they seized the opportunity to take the film completely away from his hands. What a shitty move and I wouldn’t blame Snyder for being done with Warner, even if he loves this universe and wants to continue his vision, I don’t love the man and don’t respect him as a filmmaker but he’s a human being, leave the dude alone, he’s been through enough, he lost his metaphorical baby with the DCEU and his actual baby girl, can’t imagine what the dude’s been through
people forget that the actors we see on screen are... well, they are people too. the Batffleck movement is borderline cyber bullying. so much for "support" if a person doesn't want to do something and people demand him doing it. leave it be, let the man heal.
I have one thing to say about that "Nostalgia Is A Brain-Worm" clip. “Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” ― C.S. Lewis
I DO love that quote, as it's where I am. In many ways, it's the absolute antithesis of these entitled fanboys, who want to make what they love out to be more than it is. Can it truly be called "love" if you're lying to yourself about what it actually was, regardless of what it meant to you?
@@johnathonhaney8291 Or as exemplified by comics in the 90's, what horrors are wrought when we take something meant for an audience of children and twist it into a dark, spiky, "GRIM AND GRITTY" abomination that will only be seen as "FREAKIN' HARDCORE, BRAH!" by a vanishingly-small audience that will abandon all such trifles when they have to decide between buying diapers for the little ones and a complete original run of "Spawn" comics? Indeed, it isn't "love" when you can't accept that the thing you're fixated on is this goofy, whimsical trifle meant for an audience of eight-year-olds. After all, unless your name is Athena or Vainamoinen, you did not spring out of the womb a fully-formed adult. You yourself were once a child with juvenile tastes... and just because the tastes are still juvenile doesn't mean they can't have value or meaning as objets d'art. You just need to get over this knee-jerk aversion to silliness. I REVEL in my own silliness. I wear a goofy-ass wizard-costume well into middle age, and I don't care if that pisses somebody off. In fact, I rather hope it DOES piss off the right people.
@@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 Kudos to you for flying your freak flag high, to quote Hendrix. Where I live, flying it myself is a bit more ill-advised but I split the difference by pissing off people online (probably ALSO ill-advised). I really think a lot of these Gen X folks are freaking out in the same way I'm STILL seeing too many Boomers doing about getting this old. It's like they expected to be dead by this point and have no idea how to cope otherwise. Maybe that's another part of the unresolved immaturity?
@@johnathonhaney8291 Maybe it is. Maybe the reason a lot of folks are bursting a blood-vessel at, say, the changing face of fandom and concessions made toward the marginalized- "Whattaya MEAN, nobody reads Lady Death comics anymore? WHAT? SEXIST? How is it sexist to have the adventures of an alabaster-skinned Swedish bombshell who fights evil in a cape and a bikini? Hey, why is She-Ra less sexy and not interested in boys anymore? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?" What happened is that the world changed. It got better. It got more inclusive. What you liked as a kid still exists, it either had to flex with the times or just isn't as popular as it used to be. But rather than be healthy or mature or introspective about this revelation, some would rather throw a bitch-fit. Clinging to buzzwords like "Get Woke, Go Broke" hoping, say, "Captain Marvel" tanks at the box-office just because Brie Larson would like her MCU press-junkets to smell a little less like Comic Book Guy's flop-sweat and desperation. Lisa Simpson: "I feel VERY uncomfortable being a girl in this store!" *camera pans to a life-sized display of a Frazetta-style pinup in a fur bikini chained to a boulder*
Every once in while I worry about what I’m missing by not being as diehard as I used to be about comic book media\movies\discourse. But if what you’re saying about folks trying to get the studio to “make” Affleck get back into the bad suit is true, I’ll never look back again. The poor bastard basically said in an interview that he was going to drink himself to death if he kept being in the DCEU movies.
Don’t trip at all bro. I’ve seen 22 marvel movies and I’m completely checked out now. I haven’t seen the shows, or any phase 4 movies, or any madolorian Star Wars bullshit. It’s all about 2 hours non connected movies for now on. It’s been amazing just watching a movie and knowing the fucking story is DONE 😆🤙
It's absolutely hilarious I remember that episode of Batman brave and the bold and I remember watching the clip that Bat-Mite was watching and thinking, " this shit looks pretty dope. I'd watch that!" Right before Bat-Mite started crying
I think with Garfield it’s just good to see him get a fair shot at Spidey after two messy films and conclude enough plot threads. Admit it: we all cheered when he saved MJ because of what it symbolized. But still, Emma Stone as Spider-Gwen- I’m game.
Yah. I think a lot of people still think the Amazing movings were bad but Garfield was a decent Spiderman. In my eyes Garfield getting a 3rd movie seems like a nice chance to set the record straight on his corner of the Spiderman role.
Honestly I feel like Holland and Stone wouldn't work, because Gwen and Peter are supposed to be the same age and while Tom Holland does a believable "a kid going through puberty" both in mannerism and in appearance, Emma Stone has the typical "clearly adult actor alleging to be a teenager" thing going on that Maguire and Dunst also kinda had to work against, and if everyone in the cast is on that level it works but if it's Pete and Ned and the lady from The Help it's just gonna be incongruous.
Garfield saving MJ was honestly my favorite part of the movie. Such a nice way to wrap up that character's emotional arc. And I didn't even like the Amazing movies that much!
8:20-8:52 Wow who would’ve thought that Brave and The Bold predicted how many fan would complain about Batgirl replacing Batman even though that’s not entirely a bad thing for the DCEU
It’s weird how the DCEU, despite having a lot more good now, is still such a behind the scene clusterfuck but is revered with jubilation online. Whereas the Arrowverse has actually made the shared universe/crossover work for nearly a decade and it receives all the growing derision.
@Snehil Shrey I think it’s mainly all the PR stemming from Whedon’s treatment of the cast. Plus hurdles Patty Jenkins has to go through with studios. And how this shared universe setup just hasn’t settled in, especially compared to what the CW and DCAU have pulled off seamlessly.
I've been wrestling with the idea you began with: that, because my life continued without any physical scars or deaths, I should be "okay" and move on, but my hopes and dreams were totally screwed over by the plague and how do you deal with that without sounding like an entitled wimp?? Anyway. Thanks for saying into a mic what's been bouncing around my head and troubling my heart. It's reassuring that other grown-ass adults feel this way. And as someone not on twitter, thanks for wading through the bowels to give us your takes, always appreciated.
It's definitely a struggle, knowing it could have been way worse but also knowing that what DID happen to you is in no way good or even okay. Long as you keep perspective (which can be damn hard, depending on how much you have to isolate thanks to COVID), be honest about how you feel, I say. It turns to poison in your veins otherwise.
There is an unfortunate sentiment among people particularly on the left of the political spectrum that, because some people have it (much) worse than we do, it is stupid to talk about our problems and issues. This is not good for people's mental health. We do need to engage with the bigger issues and problems and how that affects a lot of people. But we also need to be able to engage with our own problems, to treat them as real and valid too, even if they're objectively not as bad as other people's issues.
Welcome back, Bob 👍 I can definitely agree. It's been hard. And I feel a little more at ease hearing you state that as well. I know I should probably be talking about Batman but I think I just needed to hear that most right now😅
This kind of bullshit is exactly why WB should have never given these assholes the Snyder Cut. It made those horrible people think they "won" some kind of misguided fight to give their chosen messiah-of-the-moment some kind of redemption after the evil studio ruined what was surely a modern masterpiece. They legitimately believe they successfully bullied WB into doing what they wanted, and since they believe they did it once, they believe they can do it again.
I find it very interesting that when Robert Pattinson used to talk about how he despised working on Twilight, hated playing Edward, and how he'd never do another one if it killed him (though I understand he's walked back to a more "it was fine, I appreciate the opportunity" stance in recent years), people cheered for him, pointed and said, "See!" But when Ben Affleck says the same thing about working on DC movies and hating playing Batman and how he'll never do another one if it kills him, everyone loses their minds or outright tries to write the man's own thoughts and feelings off as nonexistent. Veeeery interesting...
Reason 3629 why I typically agree with our Mr. Chipman when he calls them the most useless human beings on the planet (unless you're Marvel Studios, who know how to use them as marketing tools).
He didn't hate playing Batman, he hated the studio meddling, the stuff happening in his private life and he was also affected by Snyder's daughter killing herself.
As long as we're going back and reappraising actors who turned in great performances with the "meh" scripts they were given can we get some respect for Brandon Routh? He did a fantastic job as the Christopher Reeve version of Superman.
I JUST got why Gary Oldman has replaced Grandpa Simpson on that updated meme. I don’t know who the guy Oldman is yelling at is, but from the context, I assume his name is “Cloud”? 🤔😄
Leslie Grace is an absolute delight and very talented. I'm very much looking forward to her Batgirl and I hope it's as good as the Year One story it seems like they're using as a template.
A Batman Beyond doesn't sound too bad if done right. WB seems scared of trying to do something more than just Batman Superman and friends. Over at Marvel they've tried to adapt as many heroes as possible.Doesn't always work but its certainly different and with more potential than the WB model which seems to be 'we gotta get Batman in there somewhere'.
Yeah, it really exhausts me how wb just cannot stop focusing on batman and Superman so intensely, as if they are the only things that will always certainly make money.
Ironically these same people chomping at the bit for Affleck to return were the same ones lamenting his casting back in 2016. Am I the only one who remembers the discourse from back then? People were literally petitioning WB to fire him.
All good points here, although I find it kind of funny back when everyone hated Batfflick, Bob was the one advocating Afflick was a great pick for Batman. How we come full circle.
The fact that Morbius was the only movie in January that got pushed back does not feel like a coincidence, COVID's a convenient excuse for Sony to delay the film under the guise of being "responsible" while letting them do-reshoots to connect Morbius to the ASM universe(especially since that was the original plan to begin with so it makes too much sense)
They pulled it back to give No Way Home more time to make even more money, and to have something that also makes money in the second quarter of the year. Doing reshoots after the movie has been finished for like two years would be very stupid.
@@jadedheartsz I don't think so. Though we can't really tell without having seen the movie. Anyway, I doubt it would even be logistically possible to add Andrew Garfield in it on such short notice. There are schedules and contracts to be made.
I keep waiting for Sony Pictures to get bought out any day now. Too many mistakes coupled with Activision getting gobbled up by Microsoft...I'm thinking Apple is the most likely buyer at this point.
Your. Pain. Is. NOT. Invalid. I lost my uncle to cancer last Oct. I haven't gotten to see him, really at all, since COVID. That really hurts. Maybe it's a 'worse' thing than your career setbacks. But that doesn't invalidate your pain. It just doesn't. It's also worth noting that the events of the last few years, between the plague and an attempted overthrow of the government also plays havoc on our ability to handle everything. We also find ourselves with fewer tools available that we'd normally use to help make ourselves feel better. You're a movie fan (duh!) you can't go to the theatre and see a movie. Something you do to relax on a lousy day. So, Bob, please please give yourself a break. It's bad enough to feel angry/frustrated and sad at where the events of the last few years have messed up your plans. Don't add to how bad you're feeling by adding guilt over how bad you're feeling. And also know that what you do matters. I've gotten way WAY into comics over the pandemic and it's largely due to your videos. I've been lucky enough that my local comic store is staffed by fantastic humans. So our weekly visit/pick up has been a really bright spot the last few years. I've found amazing writers like Tom Taylor, Kieron Gillen, Tom King. In fact Tom King's Superman Up in the Sky and Heroes in Crisis have been books that have helped me process the trauma of the last few years. And Taylor's Nightwing is slowly helping me come to terms with my uncle's death. I'm reading (and loving!) Far Sector by N.K. Jemesin.I have a pull list. None of which would be true if not for Comics Are Weeiirrrdddd! Your videos have helped me develop my critical eye when watching movies (and read comics) too. Which has made those experiences more fulfilling. So, please give yourself a break. You do more good than you know and your pain isn't invalid.
Hearing our Mr. Chipman confess what has been eating at him made me understand why he's been so sour for the last month and a half. Wanting to be the righteous person but having setbacks and disappointments claw at his guts...that'd piss ANYBODY off. While I suspect we shall never return to where we were (or never were and always wanted to be...see Wandavision), we can make what we have right now work with the tools we still do have. May 2022 be the year we all turn it around!
Remember that usually the people who is angry is just a small percentage of watchers, you make great content, and is a real commentary on the show business and media changes, keep it up.
I'd love for them to try out Martian Manhunter as a solo character rather than a supporting one (even if he has been good as "Uncle J'onn" in Smallville and Supergirl).
In that clip from Brave and the Bold Batmite actually went on to support that new Batgirl cartoon, saying it looked good even if it wasn't exactly what he wanted. So the 5th dimentional imp whose sole purpose was to be an entitled fanboy is STILL more mature than the real life twittersphere
Oh people, 1st they said he'd be the worst Batman, now they want them back. Affleck is way better directing and producing than acting and better at it too.
I never wanted Batfleck, and I still don't, but I suppose it could be said that -- like Andrew Garfield in those awful Spiderman movies -- perhaps he didn't get a fair shake. Coming right after the Nolan trilogy, which I feel really took its time building up and establishing Batman/Bruce as a character with depth and believability (compared to other super hero movies anyhow), in comes Ben Affleck like "Hey, it's me! You know, Batman! You know who I am, so why bother with any set-up or origin story? Let's just jump right in and pretend this is normal!" Like, I know the last thing anyone needed was yet another reboot re-telling of the same character all over again, but jumping right into a "new Batman" without the due diligence of developing how this guy was different and what made him interesting felt cheap and unearned. Plus, we all knew this was only happening because DC just wanted a cash cow movie franchise simply because Marvel had one, and they NEEDED a Batman for that to work.
@@0Fyrebrand0 DC as a business of course wants a cash cow. But Snyder is also to blame for rushing the DCEU. Ard MoS' release, Cavill said in an interview that it wud make more sense to make MoS2 first before getting Batman & other DC heroes involved in that universe. Not long after, Snyder announced BvS at ComiCon. Snyder's 5-movie-arc plan (look it up online if u're unaware) proves that it was Snyder's plan all along. Also, BvS ultimate cut also proves that that cringe JL tease email is also Snyder. The Snydercut is is still shit. He has a lot of blame to shoulder for the mess of the DCEU, apart from the headless studio execs at WB. But the narcissist wont admit it of course.
@Snehil Shrey U're digressing. The argument is abt the state of the DCEU & who's responsible. I nvr mentioned the MCU. But that seems to be the default argument for Snyderverse apologists.
@@kimmycat2977 That's what makes them cultists. Anything different from their ideology must be destroyed. And they wonder why their numbers remain so small and influence so pathetic.
It's ok to feel some bit of sorry for yourself. We've been through a lot. I'm grateful I have what you make to distract me. Thinking about reality too long drives me nuts. Also, I am completely in on seeing Batgirl modelled as the daughter of Gordon. She rocks.
The Affleck situation is just sad. The guy goes from a an internet punchline to a respected director, and when he becomes Batman it all goes off the rails. As for Garfield, I think if Sony did try to make more Spider-Man movies it would ruin what made his appearance in No Way Home so special. It gave him and Toby Maguire closure on their respective runs as the character. In fact is just me or do we as fans have weird relationship with closure?
Not just you...they want it to last forever and nothing does. This quote from Grant Morrison's Sebastian O speaks to their folly: "The vital component of beauty is its mortality."
I can’t believe people haven’t gotten board of DC using Superman and Batman as crutches. We barely tapped into other characters, there’s so much more they can do. Too bad WB suck at DC products
Ah, the thing I come back for every time: self awareness combined with tired rage about people being stupid. Good to have TBP back, seriously. Hope the Patreon picks up.
Dc's Legends of tomorrow, it leans into the more interesting aspects of some of the comic lore and ideas including Gorilla Grodd, time travel, and a bunch of other stuff.
Honestly had no idea Batgirl and Supergirl where getting a show/movie and I'm glad for something that will focus on them in the future. We have so many different takes on Batman and Superman and while we often eventually see these other hero's down the line, if it gets that far, it cool we get something focusing more on them and what they are up to outside the sphere of influence their male counterparts have.
@@Launchpad05 They're not. There is still a male Batman, he's just taking a backseat role. Which is probably the best for now. I love Batman, but it feels like this is the smart move: focus on other characters in the Bat-family for a while, let people get antsy for a new Batman (and let the writers come up with a new idea), then you make a new Bat-movie staring Batman. They're probably doing the same thing with the Supergirl movie, and even if they weren't there's still "Superman and Lois" which is by all accounts really good. I get the fear that the hacks in the boardroom probably ordered this for cynical, self-serving reasons, but that doesn't mean the writers, actors, directors, etc. can't come together and make a good movie out of it.
@@Launchpad05 Fair enough. I won't hunt you down, stick a gun to your head and force you to go see it. I probably will if it looks good (making judgements before a trailer even comes out is, let's admit, kind of pointless), but you don't have to. I sincerely hope you find something you do want to watch. Heaven knows we could use something nice these days.
I never thought the ASM films were terrible, or even worse than okay in a vacuum, and I thought Garfield was pretty good in them. My problems with them were: 1. The shoehorning of the Parker parents and Sinister Six as a franchise hook. 2. The depressingly cynical "rendition" of the Death of Gwen Stacey which they in no way earned and probably at this point should never have even been in the long-term gameplan at all (despite me being very much Pete/MJ OTP) And most importantly 3. That Sony rushed these into production initially as an ultimatum to Sam Raimi to get the Spider-Man 4 we SHOULD have gotten developed faster and then dropped him like a hot plate the second it was clear he was working on his own timetable and not theirs.
@@nuxxism I honestly don't remember "magic blood" ever being a thing having only seen them once each, but my very first point did say "Parker Parents" implying everything to do with them and this big out of character "conspiracy" thing that was clearly meant to set up more sequels and spin-offs
Honestly, I know venting on TH-cam is no substitute for therapy, but I really just want to hear Bob vent. We share the same frustrations, so it's good to hear someone voicing those thoughts.
Get the impression that Mr. Chipman has been keeping a lid on it only to poison his work for about a month and a half now? This is the first video in a while where he sounded like his old self.
Indeed. For the last 3-4 years, I feel like I've gone into the New Year feeling like "Okay, this is the big year, I'm going to X, Y, and Z..." only to find that reality has different plans for me. Health problems, Fucking COVID, the national housing market deciding that everything needs to be ridiculously expensive despite the fact that we are currently dealing with the third year of Fucking COVID....
1) You can definitely say it's been tough. Even if nothing bad happened to you or someone close to you, the existential terror of the past few years is VERY real. I ran the numbers, and during last year's holiday spike the US suffered 45 individual days that saw more deaths from COVID than were suffered on 9/11. Don't let anyone make you feel small for feeling shaken in the face of that. 2) I am genuinely disappointed that Ben Affleck never got a fair shake at being Batman. I think there's a timeline where magic happens there. But it's apparently not this one. The people I know who have Hollywood connections are VERY excited to see Pattinson's outing though, so I'm cautiously hype.
I feel a 3. Movie for Amazing Spiderman would be redundant at this point. Because a big part of what made No way home good was the character closure it gave to all of the Spider people.
Every time Bob props up the the Raimey films as the best Spiderman films I shake my head in disappointment. Not that I think he's wrong, I just disagree, but in the long run these things boil down to subjective taste. His takes on the new MCU Spiderman movies blow my mind, and not in a good way. Anywhoo, I hated the Amazing Spiderman movies too, but Andrew was GREAT, and I loved the good vibes and heart felt praise they gave him in the movie (that "amazing" bit was so good). I felt bad that it felt like he was tossed aside when they had competent people making Spiderman movies. It was like he was finally getting his dues, but fickle fate had other plans. This was a great vid Bob. I had a number of good chuckles at this one, and while there are a few points here and there I don't fully agree with, there's a lot of great food for thought here. One thing I am totally on board with is nerd culture and its evolution into "fandom" is a shitty thing (and probably has been for some time), and is a sad state of affairs when people care more about their precious media than the world around them, or even the people who make them.
@Snehil Shrey The former can still have problems that cannot be hand waved if you're honest with yourself, which Raimi Spiderman films were. Good for their time, nowhere near as good as Mr. Chipman pretends...that's the hill I'll die on.
@Snehil Shrey Whatever, Peter Pan. Say "I won't grow up" as often as you like. Fact is time is moving on regardless...and it is way past time you stopped pretending anything is immortal. Or that your little film cult has any chance of being mainstream like MCU has (which I KNOW is what your kind lust after).
I feel the same way about Henry Cavill as Superman, Ben Affleck as Batman, and Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man. A good actor, well cast for the role, who was unfortunate to be saddled with bad movies. As for Batgirl, I say "FUCK YEAH!!!" I love all the Batgirls. They are amazing heroes. A good Batgirl movie is something I'm totally up for. And I'm just as big a fan of the Supergirls as I am of the Batgirls. So a good Supergirl movie would also be great.
Couldn't care less if Affleck plays Batman again. At the same time pretty sure Supergirl will be garbage. Nothing to do with the girl part, "Super" on the big screen hasn't worked since Donner. Any attempt needs earnest hope and optimism, thatt is a lot of the reason most mcu movies work.
Much as I agree, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised on that one. But like you, I have no faith in the WB/DC powers-that-be to let something like that exist.
The Snyderverse and Garfield people are 2 sides of the same coin. You love the character/actor from other media so much that you demand a good adaptation so it seems like you’re “winning” because your thing went mainstream. When that doesn’t happen, you delude yourself into thinking it’s someone else’s fault and you’ve been dealt an injustice
The worst effect of the multiverse coming into film is going to be films adopting the laziness of comics in bringing back all the popular things and dismissing the things people didn’t like without narrative consequences. Nothing will mean anything. It’ll just be the big film version of a mum jangling her keys to stop a baby crying
Bob, it makes me feel a lot easier about all this knowing that you also have had plans put on delay because of the pandemic. Your point about losing momentum hit it right on the head. Thank you for this
As much as Bob disliked the Amazing duology, Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone were honestly the better part of those films. For all of their other issues (mediocre or just plain bad villans, odd pacing and bad casting ; once again we have Dane Dahan sucking all the air out of the room - so glad Hollywood finally figured out that kid was not the next Leonardo DiCaprio). I always thought Garfield and Stone had Far better chemistry together and Tobey Mcguire and Kirsten Dunst ever did. Sure, it was great to see Garfiled in the newest Spider-film. But he got his big moment of redemption, much like others from the earlier franchises did in that film. All three Spider-men got some excellent closure, and thats a hell of a lot more than many superhero characters get.
2:31 Don't worry Bob. You're not alone. I haven't lost anyone close to me to covid but the Pandemic has still been hard. I finally had a job where I felt like I belonged, was accepted and well-liked at(And it was a retail job of all things) and I was planning on finally getting more people in my social circle beyond my internet friends. But then Covid hit and I not only had to leave my job because of reasons but I had to put my plans to get out more on hold... You shouldn't have to feel bad about feeling sad and angry over all this. And on the subject of the actual video. Yeah. I agree with you. Fans just need to let stuff go. I was actually thinking this earlier today in regards to Star Wars and the fans constant demands to declare the sequel trilogy an alternate timeline and reinstate the post Return of the Jedi Legends continuity. Fans just need to accept that constantly badgering people over stuff isn't gonna magically get them what they want.
For what it's worth and speaking as someone who saw his life fall apart a decade ago, I'm sorry as hell you got boned like that. May this year's plans work far better!
Knocked it out of the park on all counts again, Bob. I'm right there with you on most all of your points, especially the pandemic fatigue and frustration. And yes, the crybabies are that predictable! Loved the 2011 cartoon clip, it was absolutely perfect.
Movie Bob really needs a hug.... It's like watching Howard Beale from 'Network' (1976) talk about pop culture. I find what he says really entertaining, but reading between the lines I am genuinely worried about him.
So do I but never let that feeling just sit there. Doing something useful with it to make this place a little LESS shitty can only be good for everybody.
Good stuff, Bob, hope you’re keeping well. If anyone wants to tell me what that giant blue plush hugging the demon was from, I’d appreciate it because that was legit hilarious.
It always seemed like the Snydercut fans never cared about the feelings of the people involved to me. Like if Snyder didn’t want to come back after his personal tragedy, they would still be doing this hashtag anyway.
Seeing the "BringBackBatfleck" stuff trending on Twitter was just exhausting and seemed like the logical conclusion of the arguable success of rabble rousing about Sonic and the Snyderverse. As someone who felt that Affleck was probably the best thing about Justice League and BvS (Damning with faint praise though that may be) I'd like to see him get a shot at the role in a good movie. But I have to acknowledge that the man just isn't interested and I have to respect that.
My opinions on Ben Affleck in the DCEU: 1. If he wants to abandon this sinking ship, let him go. 2. That said, he was fine as Batman 3. In fact, his performance was the least offensive thing in Batman v, Superman and Justice League. Why I hate it every time a new actor plays Batman? Because I have to watch his parents get gunned down yet again! Say what you will about the MCU Spiderman reboot, Marvel did not force me to watch Uncle Ben die once again.
Think maybe because they saw WB do it too often with the Waynes? For my money, the best depiction of that fabled moment was the pilot of Gotham, which emphasized the sheer horror of that moment.
@Snehil Shrey Yeah, I did not like the death of Aunt May. While I did not find it laughable, I hate that manner in which Mavel simply wrote out the Spiderman's entire supporting cast. I read my first Spiderman comic book about 50-years ago, and even then I knew the importance of friends and family to the story of Peter Parker. Perhaps Marvel does get a pass, bit it would be because even the weakest MCU offerings -- the Spiderman movies for example -- are usually superior to anything we can find in the DCEU. A bad MCU movie is the exception, but bad DCEU movies are the norm.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I hear ya. I’m in a “purple” county in a state that is blue because the metro dominates the overall population. So while leadership is decent there’s plenty of maskless morons about. At least I’m not still in the Midwest. Got a buddy who’s a nurse is the Kansas City area and he’s seen some shit.
I swear it feels that internet was a plot by Cobra Commander to make people really stupid. I did not mind the VO episodes and like them. I like Spider-Man but Oscar NO. Hell, I like the Eternals considering the source material, the Marvel Handbook could not explain what happened. I want to see DCEU to buy some lights it is too dark. Not in tone but it seems that these are lit by a birthday candle. My reaction to Batgirl and Supergirl are they good? Andrew Garfield got stuck in bad written movies. I liked Tick Tick Boom. I swear these comic book guys make appreciate the Live and Let Live attitude of Al Queda. All I care is the story good, I saw Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice for free and wanted to sue for part of mu life I wasted on that Turd. Aquaman and Wonder Woman are the best movies of the DCEU, Aquaman! Keep up the good work Moviebob.
Oh god I have a vague recollection of one Cobra plot that involved Zartan’s goons becoming a rock group called “Cold Slither” and hypnotizing everyone via the music or music videos or something.
Yeah Bob, you're allowed to say the last two years have been hard, 'cause they have been. There's no "high water mark" for that, no "You must be at least this miserable to speak up" quotient. Last couple years've been a complete shitshow and cost quite a few people quite a lot. Hopefully we'll all see the other side, sooner or later.
A lot of people still arguing in favor of another Andrew Garfield Spider-Man film are coming at this like "Well he enjoyed being Spider-Man! Why not give him another chance to be Spider-Man in a movie of his own that's good?" One, because it's Sony. Sony will fuck it up. Even Venom is only loved by people in a sort of ironic way in that it's so terrible they actually find it charming. (I didn't, but whatever) Trying to make this shit work again because the actor is a fanboy is forgetting that's he's not the director! He's an actor and he's gotta work with the material he's given and Sony's material, frankly, sucks. Two, just because Andrew got a raw deal is not an excuse to try again. Lots of actors get raw deals over roles they were excited for. It's sad, but it happens. Garfield got to come back and be Spider-Man in a good movie apparently now, and ger closure apparently. You've gotten your third movie regardless. Anymore would just be redundant and he's not exactly crying over the fact he didn't get to be in a good Spider-Man movie either. He's moved on, why don't you? This isn't really about which Spider-Man is better, it's just silly at this point. I know you all think you're doing Andrew a favor, but I don't think he cares nearly as much as all of you do. And frankly, saddling him with any of Sony's frankly garbage ideas for their sad remnants of a Spider-Man Cinematic Universe is just doing him a disservice. Let NWH be his swan song and way to resolve what was left hanging. You don't need a third movie in a failed series to prove to everyone Andrew wasn't the reason they failed, mainly because no one seems to think he was!
At this point I couldn't give less of a crap about anything in the "DCEU" series of movies and I hope they let The Batman be its own thing. If they throw Garfield into Morbius and whatever else then fine. That's probably what they're doing since they delayed the thing yet again; probably to add him in a post-credit scene. At this point I just want Multiverse of Madness to be good and to see who the hell they're putting in the Fantastic Four so I can figure out whether it will be worth investing another decade of attention to this stuff.
@@grandpagohan1 The Suicide Squad was great. I did also enjoy Aquaman so I’ll check out that sequel. But I definitely don’t have the energy to pay attention to them anymore. They’re about to get more confusing than some of the Marvel stuff.
I really dislike this new wave of fanboy entitlement that has come about, as far as I can tell, from the DC fanboys who couldn't let go of the belief that DC would release a great film that would 'win' against Marvel and the MCU somehow managing to complain the Snyder Cut into being made. It's led to a level of entitlement not just to media made to their tastes, not just to the success of that media, but an entitlement to relitigate failed projects into successes It was bad enough when a film came out bad and fanboys insisted on 'proving' that it was good actually and you disliked it for bad-people reasons. Now, they don't just fantasise about the theoretical perfect version of a failed film, but demand that it somehow be dragged into reality, secret Sherlock episode style. Why admit your expectations have been thwarted and let go, when you can insist that films that fail your own unrealistic expectations go back and try again and again until they pass?
I blame auteur theory a bit for this one. They saw all these old films that failed later become revered classics, so they decide that's what their faves HAVE to be. There's just one small problem: it's not actually up to their little cult to decide that. The larger audience has to get there on their own. Nor do they understand that constantly bringing up their faves is making people LESS inclined to hear them out. It's the worst excesses of drug pushing mixed those with evangelism.
1:54 I KNEW something was off with you, Mr. Chipman, and frankly I can sympathize, as that's been my situation more or less for those same two years. "One gets the terrible impression that war settles nothing, that to win a war is every bit as disastrous as to lose one."--Agatha Christie
I’m reminded of Jennifer Lawrence wanting out if her role as Mystique and how it was speculated that her workmates helped her out by killing off the character in Dark Phoenix.
Is that why she kinda phoned in her performances there? Which was weird, because she co-starred with Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy, (IMO) 2 acting powerhouses who both brought their A-games.
Honestly I'd rather see Andrew Garfield stick to films like Tick Tick Boom or his theatre work than come back as a Peter Parker in his forties for a bunch of films. Cameos, sure, but nobody needs that.
New cartoon, two new LA Batman stuff including the nostalgia double-tap of having an old Batman to the next gen that actually had served as Batman before. Fans: "there is nothing for me but my entitlement"
People forget about Star Trek actors. Glad you didn't. Feel sorry for Brent Spiner in particular who can be versatile when given a chance but somehow mostly gets stuck playing Data to the point where despite saying 20 years ago he wouldn't do it anymore, they had the audacity to convince him to swim in the gold paint again, which he regrets. Let actors move on, please. Let them try other things. They're actors who already bend to our will for the roles they play - let them at least play the roles they want.
Adds a bit more bite to the subtext of Galaxy Quest, doesn't it? Star Trek TOS actors had a real uphill battle on that front. Leonard Nimoy, when given the chance, could turn in a first-rate villain performance. Hell, just look up him hosting "In Search Of.." and he gives off intimidating vibes (which is probably why Kirby made him the basis of Metron of The New Gods). Yet, he had to retreat behind the camera to have a post-Star Trek career.
This is my first Moviebob video in years and I have to say the first half of the video was completely pointless to the topic you had advertised. This video could’ve been half the length and nothing would’ve been lost
Hey Bob, BOTH the "Sad/angry about losing years of personal progress because bad shit happened" And "I shouldn't feel bad because the bad thing hurt others worse" things are NORMAL. I've been dealing with them for over a decade with military-related PTSD. You go ahead and feel those ways.
You just know these were the same people starting petitions to stop Affleck from being Batman in the first place.
Of course...such is the predictable behavior of entitled addicts.
We really did enter Bizarro-World in 2016. Maybe someday we'll find a way out.
Funny you should say that. Just recently on a web cast, he said, “Do these people really have nothing to do with their time than signing fucking petitions?”
I remember, i was there.
Also the same types who were pissed at ledger's initial casting before they saw his performance
The level whiplash from "Ben affleck can't be Batman" to "make him be Batman again, I want it" is unreal
Its so bizarre that the fact it only took a couple of films to change their opinions about him.
I mean seriously these people only live to be miserable.
These fuckers are capital-P pathetic. They're now gushing over The Batman movie as they did with BvS and the Nolan films. Enough, FFS. It's time to kick these losers to the curb and move forward. If only to give us a far more colorful/stylized Batman for once.
The one that stands out to me is, after over a decade of declaring "George Lucas r***ed my childhood" in the wake of the prequels, the Star Wars 'sequel trilogy' comes out, and suddenly they're "masterpieces not appreciated in their time" and "Kathleen Kennedy is ruining Lucas's vision" and blah blah blah.
Especially since the _exact same_ people were like, "Affleck can't be Batman. He was in that shitty Daredevil movie."
When: 1) I personally don't think Daredevil was bad as far as my memory serves. And 2) It's been at least 10 years since Daredevil. He's not the same person he was in 2013 when Batman v Superman was announced compared to 2003.
@@christopherb501 I do wonder if some of that comes down to age. Are the people defending the prequels mostly the ones who saw them first as kids? In ~10 years will there be a similar group claiming the latest Star Wars release is trash and the sequel trilogy was the greatest? It's possible, or we can help break the cycle by reminding people it's not a competition and you're allowed to like AND dislike different installments in a franchise AND people will have different opinions to yours AND that's okay.
The Legends pulling a Captain Planet-meets-Ghostbusters to save the timestream from demons by manifesting a kaiju, in-Universe Furby knockoff is a more ridiculously awesome moment than it had any right to be.
“Being more ridiculously awesome than it has any right to be” has been Legends of Tomorrow’s miracle trick since Season 2. I mean we currently have the team running from robot doppelgängers who act like Rob Liefeld knockoffs while they recently survived a demonic reality TV show spell… and somehow we’re still on board with it all.
@@benwasserman8223 I quit the Arrowverse after Oliver died in Crisis and Mia's show got pre-cancelled. From what I've seen and heard in passing, it got more complicated and disappointing after that, with Ruby leaving Batwoman after one season and the majority of the founding shows having run their course. Now we're left with Superman and Lois, a show about one of Superman's Stangirls, and apparently, LOT is still chugging. My soul hurts. I wouldn't be averse to an HBOMAX series based on Mick's erotic novels, though.
@@seanwilkinson7431 Honestly it’s not that bad. S&L is great, Legends is great, Stargirl’s great. Even Batwoman’s shift from Kate to Ryan wasn’t bad, but yeah the behind the scenes drama with Ruby Rose isn’t good. Honestly the only show actually struggling is Flash, but everyone trying to disavow the entire franchise is just generating clickbait.
Plus Naomi is only two episodes in. That’s hardly enough to diss it.
@@seanwilkinson7431 I mean, it's okay if it's not your cup of tea or anything, but Superman & Lois is the best DC TV show I've ever seen and it swung for the fences right out of the gate, season 1! I mean, Batwoman and Legends of Tomorrow weren't even half as good in their first seasons...heck, I tuned out of Legends of Tomorrow halfway through the first season. I'm glad I picked it up again later on though, because I love what Legends became when it dropped Vandal Savage and that arc's dreary seriousness like a hot plate.
Also, from what I've heard (so take this with a grain of salt) Ruby Rose got seriously hurt working on Batwoman. I can't blame her for a second for leaving because of that.
Entitled fandoms are (a) why I had to stop dealing with other fans of things that I like and (b) are why we can't have nice things.
And I don't feel bad about complaining about this when there are worse things going on, because I think the entitled fandoms are a symptom of the worse things going on.
The almost daily Boba Fett is great/Boba Fett is a travesty flipflopping has been especially bad. I honestly wonder how many are doing it just to juice the YT algorithm and maximise ad revenue.
@@AndrewMcColl Yeah, THAT'S kind of the heart of the problem. Online media encourages angry takes. Twitter and TH-cam are particularly bad about it. If you want to be popular on a social platform, especially in the pop culture sphere, you're a lot more likely to pull it off by being an angry hater than by being nice or reasonable.
(I mean, seriously, how can people wring so much angst out of a few colorful motorcycles that were onscreen for, like, five minutes? Even if someone disliked them, they really weren't that big a deal. It wasn't even the first time blatantly 50s iconography has been shoehorned into Star Wars. Have we forgotten Dex's diner in Ep 2? The waitress droid was named FL0 for crissake.)
@@jasonblalock4429 and the whole franchise was created by the guy behind American Graffiti. But yes, let's make 20 minute videos about how a specific plot point makes no sense for a bunch of reasons taken from the now defunct Legends stories. Woo.
Same.
As I keep saying, NONE of this started with the Internet. Track down Harlan Ellison's essay "Xenogenesis", which chronicled escalating fandom ugliness in the pre-Internet era and see if you don't experience any flashbacks.
Wow… and it feels like it was only yesterday that people were complaining that Ben Affleck would be playing Batman. sheesh.
The thousand yard stare that Ben Affleck gave when he was first told about the BvS reviews, will remain with me to the grave.
Andrew Garfield has been pretty clear on being a big spider-man fan and that getting the role meant a lot to him. He wasn’t the bad part in them and shows time and time again that on his part he got the chops to do Spider-Man justice.
Also I don’t think he views making ASM 1-2 a miserable experience. Based on what I recall from the interviews of that time he seemed most upset with the editing room.
Honestly if we get another movie with the affable nerd Spiderman that Garfield played in NWH instead of the weird "The Cooler Peter Parker" energy we got in AS1-2, I'll go see that and be happy about it!
As usually Bob argues from his "Raimi Great, TAS an absolute failure" perspective, which leads him to overlook a few things. For starters, the Garfield was genuinely excited to play the role, and that this excitement shined through his performance, which is why it HAS been a discussion for a long time if he or McGuire were better (usually with a tentative "Garfield was the better Spiderman, McGuire the better Petter Parker agreement" - not that this is my view, mind you), until Holland came along and, to the anger of Raimi hardcore fans basically ended the discussion by a lot of people agreeing that he manages to offer the best of both.
Consequently Bob doesn't get that there are people who really wanted Garfield to have the chance to be Spider-man in a better received film, which is basically what happened now, hence the appetite has been wetted.
Affleck on the other hand...yeah, I can imagine which subset of the internetspace (I hesitate to say fandom) is now making a fuss around that.
@@swanpride okay, but for real though both of the ASM movies were quite bad.
This little stint in NWH, to me, proves that with the right script and directing, Garfield has a shot at doing something close to what is probably the best Peter Parker in media to date, that being Peter in the PS4 Spider-Man game.
@@submortimer Okay, for real though, I quite enjoyed the first ASM, and there are parts of the second one I genuinely like, too. And also for real: I am not the only one who feels this way.
@@swanpride I agree. I enjoyed both of those movies pretty well. If ASM2 had cut the "Peter's parents" plot line, I think it would've been a perfectly fine movie, and I'm always going to give it massive props for being willing to kill off Gwen. That moment was excellently handled.
Jesus fucking Christ, I’ve been saying this for so long, entitled snyder fans are so obsessed with their lord and master they don’t give a shit that Affleck wants out for his own mental health, instead he should just suck it up and continue with their master’s vision which btw is dead at this point, leave the man alone, Jesus!
We'll see.
Arguably they don't give a real shit about Snyder either, despite his personal tragedy. Yes, I've come to despise his style for its mediocrity and plagiarizing of superior source material to be any good. But I can't help but wonder if he got locked in the same cage they're currently trying to throw Affleck in.
@@johnathonhaney8291 this 100%, Snyder is done with Warner, with good reason, his daughter died and they seized the opportunity to take the film completely away from his hands. What a shitty move and I wouldn’t blame Snyder for being done with Warner, even if he loves this universe and wants to continue his vision, I don’t love the man and don’t respect him as a filmmaker but he’s a human being, leave the dude alone, he’s been through enough, he lost his metaphorical baby with the DCEU and his actual baby girl, can’t imagine what the dude’s been through
@@legendlalo Brother...that was the humane thing I've ever heard ANYBODY say about Snyder and it's all true. Bravo.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I fail to see how Snyder is "plagiarizing" anything, utter nonsense and I don't believe he has "mediocrity" in the least.
Garfield literally headed “Angels in America” a while ago. He’ll be fine.
Didnt he get a Tony from that?
@@WillTheGreatest Yes. I really wanted to get to New York to see that.
@@irishkcguy same.
people forget that the actors we see on screen are... well, they are people too. the Batffleck movement is borderline cyber bullying. so much for "support" if a person doesn't want to do something and people demand him doing it.
leave it be, let the man heal.
I have one thing to say about that "Nostalgia Is A Brain-Worm" clip.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
― C.S. Lewis
I DO love that quote, as it's where I am. In many ways, it's the absolute antithesis of these entitled fanboys, who want to make what they love out to be more than it is. Can it truly be called "love" if you're lying to yourself about what it actually was, regardless of what it meant to you?
Well said.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Or as exemplified by comics in the 90's, what horrors are wrought when we take something meant for an audience of children and twist it into a dark, spiky, "GRIM AND GRITTY" abomination that will only be seen as "FREAKIN' HARDCORE, BRAH!" by a vanishingly-small audience that will abandon all such trifles when they have to decide between buying diapers for the little ones and a complete original run of "Spawn" comics?
Indeed, it isn't "love" when you can't accept that the thing you're fixated on is this goofy, whimsical trifle meant for an audience of eight-year-olds. After all, unless your name is Athena or Vainamoinen, you did not spring out of the womb a fully-formed adult. You yourself were once a child with juvenile tastes... and just because the tastes are still juvenile doesn't mean they can't have value or meaning as objets d'art. You just need to get over this knee-jerk aversion to silliness.
I REVEL in my own silliness. I wear a goofy-ass wizard-costume well into middle age, and I don't care if that pisses somebody off. In fact, I rather hope it DOES piss off the right people.
@@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 Kudos to you for flying your freak flag high, to quote Hendrix. Where I live, flying it myself is a bit more ill-advised but I split the difference by pissing off people online (probably ALSO ill-advised). I really think a lot of these Gen X folks are freaking out in the same way I'm STILL seeing too many Boomers doing about getting this old. It's like they expected to be dead by this point and have no idea how to cope otherwise. Maybe that's another part of the unresolved immaturity?
@@johnathonhaney8291 Maybe it is. Maybe the reason a lot of folks are bursting a blood-vessel at, say, the changing face of fandom and concessions made toward the marginalized- "Whattaya MEAN, nobody reads Lady Death comics anymore? WHAT? SEXIST? How is it sexist to have the adventures of an alabaster-skinned Swedish bombshell who fights evil in a cape and a bikini? Hey, why is She-Ra less sexy and not interested in boys anymore? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?"
What happened is that the world changed. It got better. It got more inclusive. What you liked as a kid still exists, it either had to flex with the times or just isn't as popular as it used to be. But rather than be healthy or mature or introspective about this revelation, some would rather throw a bitch-fit. Clinging to buzzwords like "Get Woke, Go Broke" hoping, say, "Captain Marvel" tanks at the box-office just because Brie Larson would like her MCU press-junkets to smell a little less like Comic Book Guy's flop-sweat and desperation.
Lisa Simpson: "I feel VERY uncomfortable being a girl in this store!" *camera pans to a life-sized display of a Frazetta-style pinup in a fur bikini chained to a boulder*
Every once in while I worry about what I’m missing by not being as diehard as I used to be about comic book media\movies\discourse. But if what you’re saying about folks trying to get the studio to “make” Affleck get back into the bad suit is true, I’ll never look back again. The poor bastard basically said in an interview that he was going to drink himself to death if he kept being in the DCEU movies.
Don’t trip at all bro. I’ve seen 22 marvel movies and I’m completely checked out now. I haven’t seen the shows, or any phase 4 movies, or any madolorian Star Wars bullshit. It’s all about 2 hours non connected movies for now on. It’s been amazing just watching a movie and knowing the fucking story is DONE 😆🤙
It's absolutely hilarious I remember that episode of Batman brave and the bold and I remember watching the clip that Bat-Mite was watching and thinking, " this shit looks pretty dope. I'd watch that!" Right before Bat-Mite started crying
I think with Garfield it’s just good to see him get a fair shot at Spidey after two messy films and conclude enough plot threads. Admit it: we all cheered when he saved MJ because of what it symbolized.
But still, Emma Stone as Spider-Gwen- I’m game.
Yah. I think a lot of people still think the Amazing movings were bad but Garfield was a decent Spiderman. In my eyes Garfield getting a 3rd movie seems like a nice chance to set the record straight on his corner of the Spiderman role.
Honestly I feel like Holland and Stone wouldn't work, because Gwen and Peter are supposed to be the same age and while Tom Holland does a believable "a kid going through puberty" both in mannerism and in appearance, Emma Stone has the typical "clearly adult actor alleging to be a teenager" thing going on that Maguire and Dunst also kinda had to work against, and if everyone in the cast is on that level it works but if it's Pete and Ned and the lady from The Help it's just gonna be incongruous.
@@ProjectXa3-1 Is that your honest opinion though? I know you SAID honestly, but are you really literally honestly? Fr? Ngl?
Garfield saving MJ was honestly my favorite part of the movie. Such a nice way to wrap up that character's emotional arc.
And I didn't even like the Amazing movies that much!
Isn't Spider-Gwen supposed to be a teenager?
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Wow who would’ve thought that Brave and The Bold predicted how many fan would complain about Batgirl replacing Batman even though that’s not entirely a bad thing for the DCEU
See also - not letting professional wrestlers retire in peace for "one more match" when their bodies can't perform like they used to.
It’s weird how the DCEU, despite having a lot more good now, is still such a behind the scene clusterfuck but is revered with jubilation online. Whereas the Arrowverse has actually made the shared universe/crossover work for nearly a decade and it receives all the growing derision.
@Snehil Shrey I think it’s mainly all the PR stemming from Whedon’s treatment of the cast. Plus hurdles Patty Jenkins has to go through with studios. And how this shared universe setup just hasn’t settled in, especially compared to what the CW and DCAU have pulled off seamlessly.
@Snehil Shrey You know she also directed Monster with Charlize Theron? Mediocre Patty is not.
@@benwasserman8223 Also The Hurt Locker...Jenkins knows her business. But even the best are not immune to bad films, right?
@Snehil Shrey since when has "studio interference" been the only way movies could go wrong?
@@johnathonhaney8291 That wasn’t her, that was Kathryn Bigelow.
I've been wrestling with the idea you began with: that, because my life continued without any physical scars or deaths, I should be "okay" and move on, but my hopes and dreams were totally screwed over by the plague and how do you deal with that without sounding like an entitled wimp??
Anyway. Thanks for saying into a mic what's been bouncing around my head and troubling my heart. It's reassuring that other grown-ass adults feel this way.
And as someone not on twitter, thanks for wading through the bowels to give us your takes, always appreciated.
It's definitely a struggle, knowing it could have been way worse but also knowing that what DID happen to you is in no way good or even okay. Long as you keep perspective (which can be damn hard, depending on how much you have to isolate thanks to COVID), be honest about how you feel, I say. It turns to poison in your veins otherwise.
There is an unfortunate sentiment among people particularly on the left of the political spectrum that, because some people have it (much) worse than we do, it is stupid to talk about our problems and issues. This is not good for people's mental health.
We do need to engage with the bigger issues and problems and how that affects a lot of people. But we also need to be able to engage with our own problems, to treat them as real and valid too, even if they're objectively not as bad as other people's issues.
@@GeneralBolas CORRECT...otherwise, you are useless to both yourself and your cause.
Welcome back, Bob 👍 I can definitely agree. It's been hard. And I feel a little more at ease hearing you state that as well. I know I should probably be talking about Batman but I think I just needed to hear that most right now😅
This kind of bullshit is exactly why WB should have never given these assholes the Snyder Cut. It made those horrible people think they "won" some kind of misguided fight to give their chosen messiah-of-the-moment some kind of redemption after the evil studio ruined what was surely a modern masterpiece. They legitimately believe they successfully bullied WB into doing what they wanted, and since they believe they did it once, they believe they can do it again.
@Snehil Shrey Warners own HBO...
I find it very interesting that when Robert Pattinson used to talk about how he despised working on Twilight, hated playing Edward, and how he'd never do another one if it killed him (though I understand he's walked back to a more "it was fine, I appreciate the opportunity" stance in recent years), people cheered for him, pointed and said, "See!" But when Ben Affleck says the same thing about working on DC movies and hating playing Batman and how he'll never do another one if it kills him, everyone loses their minds or outright tries to write the man's own thoughts and feelings off as nonexistent.
Veeeery interesting...
Those were the same people right?
I e boys that hate Twilight and like Snyderverse DC Batman.
@@vincentmuyo Probably not the exact same people, but there's probably a good amount of demographic overlap, like you said.
Can't say you're wrong.
Reason 3629 why I typically agree with our Mr. Chipman when he calls them the most useless human beings on the planet (unless you're Marvel Studios, who know how to use them as marketing tools).
He didn't hate playing Batman, he hated the studio meddling, the stuff happening in his private life and he was also affected by Snyder's daughter killing herself.
I am so glad you're back, Bob - and you keep being you. You made me actually cheer out loud twice during this episode.
As long as we're going back and reappraising actors who turned in great performances with the "meh" scripts they were given can we get some respect for Brandon Routh? He did a fantastic job as the Christopher Reeve version of Superman.
Hey, the man got the role of Ray Palmer in the Arrowverse for a reason, right?
I JUST got why Gary Oldman has replaced Grandpa Simpson on that updated meme. I don’t know who the guy Oldman is yelling at is, but from the context, I assume his name is “Cloud”? 🤔😄
Yup, dats right.
Glad to have you back.
Man I miss Brave and the Bold. Bring that back!
Does Harley Quinn sort of count? They’ve got Diedrich Bader back as Batman and he’s even funnier in an R-rated setting.
@@benwasserman8223That's great too! Love them both
Leslie Grace is an absolute delight and very talented. I'm very much looking forward to her Batgirl and I hope it's as good as the Year One story it seems like they're using as a template.
I am ridiculously excited about Batgirl.
So… about that
A Batman Beyond doesn't sound too bad if done right. WB seems scared of trying to do something more than just Batman Superman and friends. Over at Marvel they've tried to adapt as many heroes as possible.Doesn't always work but its certainly different and with more potential than the WB model which seems to be 'we gotta get Batman in there somewhere'.
Yeah, it really exhausts me how wb just cannot stop focusing on batman and Superman so intensely, as if they are the only things that will always certainly make money.
@Snehil Shrey sorry, I guess I'm just grumbling about past issues, you make a good point.
Ironically these same people chomping at the bit for Affleck to return were the same ones lamenting his casting back in 2016. Am I the only one who remembers the discourse from back then? People were literally petitioning WB to fire him.
Like Bucky in Civil War, I remember all of them just like you.
All good points here, although I find it kind of funny back when everyone hated Batfflick, Bob was the one advocating Afflick was a great pick for Batman. How we come full circle.
The fact that Morbius was the only movie in January that got pushed back does not feel like a coincidence, COVID's a convenient excuse for Sony to delay the film under the guise of being "responsible" while letting them do-reshoots to connect Morbius to the ASM universe(especially since that was the original plan to begin with so it makes too much sense)
They pulled it back to give No Way Home more time to make even more money, and to have something that also makes money in the second quarter of the year.
Doing reshoots after the movie has been finished for like two years would be very stupid.
@@arvidp.247 Which is why it sounds like exactly the move Sony would make.
@@arvidp.247 not really no, it would make perfect sense.
@@jadedheartsz I don't think so. Though we can't really tell without having seen the movie. Anyway, I doubt it would even be logistically possible to add Andrew Garfield in it on such short notice. There are schedules and contracts to be made.
I keep waiting for Sony Pictures to get bought out any day now. Too many mistakes coupled with Activision getting gobbled up by Microsoft...I'm thinking Apple is the most likely buyer at this point.
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Delicious neckbeard, alt-right, comic book snob tears. Mmmmm.
Your.
Pain.
Is.
NOT.
Invalid.
I lost my uncle to cancer last Oct. I haven't gotten to see him, really at all, since COVID. That really hurts. Maybe it's a 'worse' thing than your career setbacks. But that doesn't invalidate your pain. It just doesn't.
It's also worth noting that the events of the last few years, between the plague and an attempted overthrow of the government also plays havoc on our ability to handle everything. We also find ourselves with fewer tools available that we'd normally use to help make ourselves feel better. You're a movie fan (duh!) you can't go to the theatre and see a movie. Something you do to relax on a lousy day.
So, Bob, please please give yourself a break. It's bad enough to feel angry/frustrated and sad at where the events of the last few years have messed up your plans. Don't add to how bad you're feeling by adding guilt over how bad you're feeling.
And also know that what you do matters. I've gotten way WAY into comics over the pandemic and it's largely due to your videos. I've been lucky enough that my local comic store is staffed by fantastic humans. So our weekly visit/pick up has been a really bright spot the last few years. I've found amazing writers like Tom Taylor, Kieron Gillen, Tom King. In fact Tom King's Superman Up in the Sky and Heroes in Crisis have been books that have helped me process the trauma of the last few years. And Taylor's Nightwing is slowly helping me come to terms with my uncle's death.
I'm reading (and loving!) Far Sector by N.K. Jemesin.I have a pull list. None of which would be true if not for Comics Are Weeiirrrdddd!
Your videos have helped me develop my critical eye when watching movies (and read comics) too. Which has made those experiences more fulfilling.
So, please give yourself a break. You do more good than you know and your pain isn't invalid.
Hearing our Mr. Chipman confess what has been eating at him made me understand why he's been so sour for the last month and a half. Wanting to be the righteous person but having setbacks and disappointments claw at his guts...that'd piss ANYBODY off. While I suspect we shall never return to where we were (or never were and always wanted to be...see Wandavision), we can make what we have right now work with the tools we still do have. May 2022 be the year we all turn it around!
Remember that usually the people who is angry is just a small percentage of watchers, you make great content, and is a real commentary on the show business and media changes, keep it up.
Here's a thought: how about people stop obsessing over fucking Batman and let DC focus on some other heroes for a change?!
I'd love for them to try out Martian Manhunter as a solo character rather than a supporting one (even if he has been good as "Uncle J'onn" in Smallville and Supergirl).
Telling Snyder Cultists not to do something is a lost cause
In that clip from Brave and the Bold Batmite actually went on to support that new Batgirl cartoon, saying it looked good even if it wasn't exactly what he wanted. So the 5th dimentional imp whose sole purpose was to be an entitled fanboy is STILL more mature than the real life twittersphere
Ain't THAT a sad comment?
Oh people, 1st they said he'd be the worst Batman, now they want them back.
Affleck is way better directing and producing than acting and better at it too.
I never wanted Batfleck, and I still don't, but I suppose it could be said that -- like Andrew Garfield in those awful Spiderman movies -- perhaps he didn't get a fair shake. Coming right after the Nolan trilogy, which I feel really took its time building up and establishing Batman/Bruce as a character with depth and believability (compared to other super hero movies anyhow), in comes Ben Affleck like "Hey, it's me! You know, Batman! You know who I am, so why bother with any set-up or origin story? Let's just jump right in and pretend this is normal!"
Like, I know the last thing anyone needed was yet another reboot re-telling of the same character all over again, but jumping right into a "new Batman" without the due diligence of developing how this guy was different and what made him interesting felt cheap and unearned. Plus, we all knew this was only happening because DC just wanted a cash cow movie franchise simply because Marvel had one, and they NEEDED a Batman for that to work.
@@0Fyrebrand0 DC as a business of course wants a cash cow. But Snyder is also to blame for rushing the DCEU. Ard MoS' release, Cavill said in an interview that it wud make more sense to make MoS2 first before getting Batman & other DC heroes involved in that universe. Not long after, Snyder announced BvS at ComiCon. Snyder's 5-movie-arc plan (look it up online if u're unaware) proves that it was Snyder's plan all along. Also, BvS ultimate cut also proves that that cringe JL tease email is also Snyder. The Snydercut is is still shit. He has a lot of blame to shoulder for the mess of the DCEU, apart from the headless studio execs at WB. But the narcissist wont admit it of course.
@Snehil Shrey U're digressing. The argument is abt the state of the DCEU & who's responsible. I nvr mentioned the MCU. But that seems to be the default argument for Snyderverse apologists.
I want a follow up to the Accountant myself.
@@kimmycat2977 That's what makes them cultists. Anything different from their ideology must be destroyed. And they wonder why their numbers remain so small and influence so pathetic.
It's ok to feel some bit of sorry for yourself. We've been through a lot. I'm grateful I have what you make to distract me. Thinking about reality too long drives me nuts.
Also, I am completely in on seeing Batgirl modelled as the daughter of Gordon. She rocks.
The Affleck situation is just sad. The guy goes from a an internet punchline to a respected director, and when he becomes Batman it all goes off the rails.
As for Garfield, I think if Sony did try to make more Spider-Man movies it would ruin what made his appearance in No Way Home so special. It gave him and Toby Maguire closure on their respective runs as the character.
In fact is just me or do we as fans have weird relationship with closure?
Not just you...they want it to last forever and nothing does. This quote from Grant Morrison's Sebastian O speaks to their folly: "The vital component of beauty is its mortality."
That Batmite clip is going to get used a lot. It has been applicable for too many years.
I can’t believe people haven’t gotten board of DC using Superman and Batman as crutches. We barely tapped into other characters, there’s so much more they can do. Too bad WB suck at DC products
Still waiting on a Martian Manhunter film myself...so, yeah.
Ah, the thing I come back for every time: self awareness combined with tired rage about people being stupid.
Good to have TBP back, seriously. Hope the Patreon picks up.
Hell, aren't we ALL tired of the stupid people by now?
"Bebo want cuddles!"
... the [censored] [censored] [very VERY censored] did I just see?!?
Dc's Legends of tomorrow, it leans into the more interesting aspects of some of the comic lore and ideas including Gorilla Grodd, time travel, and a bunch of other stuff.
Honestly had no idea Batgirl and Supergirl where getting a show/movie and I'm glad for something that will focus on them in the future. We have so many different takes on Batman and Superman and while we often eventually see these other hero's down the line, if it gets that far, it cool we get something focusing more on them and what they are up to outside the sphere of influence their male counterparts have.
True, but that doesn't mean they should ditch the original male chacaters so they could 'virtue signal', and avoid paying royalties.
@@Launchpad05 They're not. There is still a male Batman, he's just taking a backseat role. Which is probably the best for now. I love Batman, but it feels like this is the smart move: focus on other characters in the Bat-family for a while, let people get antsy for a new Batman (and let the writers come up with a new idea), then you make a new Bat-movie staring Batman.
They're probably doing the same thing with the Supergirl movie, and even if they weren't there's still "Superman and Lois" which is by all accounts really good. I get the fear that the hacks in the boardroom probably ordered this for cynical, self-serving reasons, but that doesn't mean the writers, actors, directors, etc. can't come together and make a good movie out of it.
@@jamesadamsfl As much as I'm done with Batman, it's still a bad idea.
@@Launchpad05 Fair enough. I won't hunt you down, stick a gun to your head and force you to go see it. I probably will if it looks good (making judgements before a trailer even comes out is, let's admit, kind of pointless), but you don't have to. I sincerely hope you find something you do want to watch. Heaven knows we could use something nice these days.
I never thought the ASM films were terrible, or even worse than okay in a vacuum, and I thought Garfield was pretty good in them. My problems with them were:
1. The shoehorning of the Parker parents and Sinister Six as a franchise hook.
2. The depressingly cynical "rendition" of the Death of Gwen Stacey which they in no way earned and probably at this point should never have even been in the long-term gameplan at all (despite me being very much Pete/MJ OTP)
And most importantly
3. That Sony rushed these into production initially as an ultimatum to Sam Raimi to get the Spider-Man 4 we SHOULD have gotten developed faster and then dropped him like a hot plate the second it was clear he was working on his own timetable and not theirs.
What about the "magic Spider-blood spy-parents thing" that absolutely kills one of Spider-Man's core concepts, that anyone can be Spider-man?
@@nuxxism I honestly don't remember "magic blood" ever being a thing having only seen them once each, but my very first point did say "Parker Parents" implying everything to do with them and this big out of character "conspiracy" thing that was clearly meant to set up more sequels and spin-offs
Honestly, I know venting on TH-cam is no substitute for therapy, but I really just want to hear Bob vent. We share the same frustrations, so it's good to hear someone voicing those thoughts.
Get the impression that Mr. Chipman has been keeping a lid on it only to poison his work for about a month and a half now? This is the first video in a while where he sounded like his old self.
Indeed. For the last 3-4 years, I feel like I've gone into the New Year feeling like "Okay, this is the big year, I'm going to X, Y, and Z..." only to find that reality has different plans for me. Health problems, Fucking COVID, the national housing market deciding that everything needs to be ridiculously expensive despite the fact that we are currently dealing with the third year of Fucking COVID....
1) You can definitely say it's been tough. Even if nothing bad happened to you or someone close to you, the existential terror of the past few years is VERY real. I ran the numbers, and during last year's holiday spike the US suffered 45 individual days that saw more deaths from COVID than were suffered on 9/11. Don't let anyone make you feel small for feeling shaken in the face of that.
2) I am genuinely disappointed that Ben Affleck never got a fair shake at being Batman. I think there's a timeline where magic happens there. But it's apparently not this one. The people I know who have Hollywood connections are VERY excited to see Pattinson's outing though, so I'm cautiously hype.
“The stupider version of a Resident Evil prologue” is the best way to sum up the past two years that I’ve heard in awhile.
I feel a 3. Movie for Amazing Spiderman would be redundant at this point. Because a big part of what made No way home good was the character closure it gave to all of the Spider people.
Every time Bob props up the the Raimey films as the best Spiderman films I shake my head in disappointment. Not that I think he's wrong, I just disagree, but in the long run these things boil down to subjective taste. His takes on the new MCU Spiderman movies blow my mind, and not in a good way.
Anywhoo, I hated the Amazing Spiderman movies too, but Andrew was GREAT, and I loved the good vibes and heart felt praise they gave him in the movie (that "amazing" bit was so good). I felt bad that it felt like he was tossed aside when they had competent people making Spiderman movies. It was like he was finally getting his dues, but fickle fate had other plans.
This was a great vid Bob. I had a number of good chuckles at this one, and while there are a few points here and there I don't fully agree with, there's a lot of great food for thought here. One thing I am totally on board with is nerd culture and its evolution into "fandom" is a shitty thing (and probably has been for some time), and is a sad state of affairs when people care more about their precious media than the world around them, or even the people who make them.
@Snehil Shrey The former can still have problems that cannot be hand waved if you're honest with yourself, which Raimi Spiderman films were. Good for their time, nowhere near as good as Mr. Chipman pretends...that's the hill I'll die on.
@Snehil Shrey Whatever, Peter Pan. Say "I won't grow up" as often as you like. Fact is time is moving on regardless...and it is way past time you stopped pretending anything is immortal. Or that your little film cult has any chance of being mainstream like MCU has (which I KNOW is what your kind lust after).
I feel the same way about Henry Cavill as Superman, Ben Affleck as Batman, and Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man. A good actor, well cast for the role, who was unfortunate to be saddled with bad movies.
As for Batgirl, I say "FUCK YEAH!!!" I love all the Batgirls. They are amazing heroes. A good Batgirl movie is something I'm totally up for.
And I'm just as big a fan of the Supergirls as I am of the Batgirls. So a good Supergirl movie would also be great.
I thought those were all damn good movies.
When did Henry Cavill announce he's out as Superman? I thought I heard he WANTS to play him again with a better script. And so do I.
@@louisduarte8763 same
i feel the same way, i really like these characters, but they can have a batgirl and supergirl without having them replace Batman and Superman
@@jxlennn For that matter, who said Batgirl & Supergirl will straight up REPLACE Batman & Superman?
Couldn't care less if Affleck plays Batman again. At the same time pretty sure Supergirl will be garbage. Nothing to do with the girl part, "Super" on the big screen hasn't worked since Donner. Any attempt needs earnest hope and optimism, thatt is a lot of the reason most mcu movies work.
Much as I agree, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised on that one. But like you, I have no faith in the WB/DC powers-that-be to let something like that exist.
The Snyderverse and Garfield people are 2 sides of the same coin. You love the character/actor from other media so much that you demand a good adaptation so it seems like you’re “winning” because your thing went mainstream. When that doesn’t happen, you delude yourself into thinking it’s someone else’s fault and you’ve been dealt an injustice
"Brand loyalty": down there with party loyalty as the *DUMBEST* forms of tribalism.
I'd actually argue they're on the same side of that coin but your point stands.
The worst effect of the multiverse coming into film is going to be films adopting the laziness of comics in bringing back all the popular things and dismissing the things people didn’t like without narrative consequences. Nothing will mean anything. It’ll just be the big film version of a mum jangling her keys to stop a baby crying
Batman and Spiderman fans have it so good. Try being a Green Lantern fan and then talk about Injustice to me lol
Or Black Widow/Hawkeye Fans lol. We're Still Waiting for a Hawkeye Solo/Duo Movie at this point lol.
Bob, it makes me feel a lot easier about all this knowing that you also have had plans put on delay because of the pandemic. Your point about losing momentum hit it right on the head. Thank you for this
Being stuck in neutral for two years is no fun, amirite?
"We are living in a stupider version of a Resident Evil prologue" is now my personal favourite tagline.
Actually, we're living in a stupider, more sinister version of '1984'.
@@Launchpad05 No, that story wrapped up already...back in the 2000s.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Sorry, but that story is alive, and well. Go to New York sometime.
@@Launchpad05 Don't have to...you obviously lived poor in TN or you'd know better.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I live in Pennsylvania, and I get my news from independent media.
As much as Bob disliked the Amazing duology, Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone were honestly the better part of those films. For all of their other issues (mediocre or just plain bad villans, odd pacing and bad casting ; once again we have Dane Dahan sucking all the air out of the room - so glad Hollywood finally figured out that kid was not the next Leonardo DiCaprio). I always thought Garfield and Stone had Far better chemistry together and Tobey Mcguire and Kirsten Dunst ever did. Sure, it was great to see Garfiled in the newest Spider-film. But he got his big moment of redemption, much like others from the earlier franchises did in that film. All three Spider-men got some excellent closure, and thats a hell of a lot more than many superhero characters get.
>duology
Just say "movies"
2:31 Don't worry Bob. You're not alone. I haven't lost anyone close to me to covid but the Pandemic has still been hard. I finally had a job where I felt like I belonged, was accepted and well-liked at(And it was a retail job of all things) and I was planning on finally getting more people in my social circle beyond my internet friends. But then Covid hit and I not only had to leave my job because of reasons but I had to put my plans to get out more on hold... You shouldn't have to feel bad about feeling sad and angry over all this.
And on the subject of the actual video. Yeah. I agree with you. Fans just need to let stuff go. I was actually thinking this earlier today in regards to Star Wars and the fans constant demands to declare the sequel trilogy an alternate timeline and reinstate the post Return of the Jedi Legends continuity. Fans just need to accept that constantly badgering people over stuff isn't gonna magically get them what they want.
For what it's worth and speaking as someone who saw his life fall apart a decade ago, I'm sorry as hell you got boned like that. May this year's plans work far better!
Video title: Batman
80% of video: Spider-Man
Knocked it out of the park on all counts again, Bob. I'm right there with you on most all of your points, especially the pandemic fatigue and frustration.
And yes, the crybabies are that predictable! Loved the 2011 cartoon clip, it was absolutely perfect.
Movie Bob really needs a hug....
It's like watching Howard Beale from 'Network' (1976) talk about pop culture.
I find what he says really entertaining, but reading between the lines I am genuinely worried about him.
I'm less worried after this video. He finally came out and said it, which allowed him to relax. He'll be okay now, I think.
I get the growing feeling of fully justified anger and bitterness over watching the world go to shit
So do I but never let that feeling just sit there. Doing something useful with it to make this place a little LESS shitty can only be good for everybody.
@@johnathonhaney8291 totally agree, I just got diagnosed with Covid two days ago and I’m trying to fight off this crap, not fun
@@KingCarna My man, I hate to hear that. Do everything you can to take care of yourself and get better soon as possible!
Good stuff, Bob, hope you’re keeping well. If anyone wants to tell me what that giant blue plush hugging the demon was from, I’d appreciate it because that was legit hilarious.
That would be Legends Of Tomorrow, Season 3, unless I'm mistaken.
@@johnathonhaney8291 That's correct. The Legends of Tomorrow battled a time demon by forming a fuzzy blue Voltron and it was AMAZING
@@dangibbins5435 yeah season 3 of Legends of Tomorrow was my favorite season.
I would love Ambush Bug to be in live action.
It always seemed like the Snydercut fans never cared about the feelings of the people involved to me. Like if Snyder didn’t want to come back after his personal tragedy, they would still be doing this hashtag anyway.
Seeing the "BringBackBatfleck" stuff trending on Twitter was just exhausting and seemed like the logical conclusion of the arguable success of rabble rousing about Sonic and the Snyderverse. As someone who felt that Affleck was probably the best thing about Justice League and BvS (Damning with faint praise though that may be) I'd like to see him get a shot at the role in a good movie. But I have to acknowledge that the man just isn't interested and I have to respect that.
My opinions on Ben Affleck in the DCEU:
1. If he wants to abandon this sinking ship, let him go.
2. That said, he was fine as Batman
3. In fact, his performance was the least offensive thing in Batman v, Superman and Justice League.
Why I hate it every time a new actor plays Batman? Because I have to watch his parents get gunned down yet again! Say what you will about the MCU Spiderman reboot, Marvel did not force me to watch Uncle Ben die once again.
Think maybe because they saw WB do it too often with the Waynes? For my money, the best depiction of that fabled moment was the pilot of Gotham, which emphasized the sheer horror of that moment.
@Snehil Shrey Yeah, I did not like the death of Aunt May. While I did not find it laughable, I hate that manner in which Mavel simply wrote out the Spiderman's entire supporting cast. I read my first Spiderman comic book about 50-years ago, and even then I knew the importance of friends and family to the story of Peter Parker.
Perhaps Marvel does get a pass, bit it would be because even the weakest MCU offerings -- the Spiderman movies for example -- are usually superior to anything we can find in the DCEU. A bad MCU movie is the exception, but bad DCEU movies are the norm.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I've never seen it. I will have to look it up.
I come for the movie/pop culture stuff, I stay for the ranting. Even if it’s in the reverse order or all mashed together.
Better than how too many people have treated COVID: came for the party, stayed for the funeral.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Whoa - dark. But not inaccurate.
@@TrueYellowDart Call it a consequence from hiding out from COVID for nearly two years now in my lovely red state.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I hear ya. I’m in a “purple” county in a state that is blue because the metro dominates the overall population. So while leadership is decent there’s plenty of maskless morons about.
At least I’m not still in the Midwest. Got a buddy who’s a nurse is the Kansas City area and he’s seen some shit.
I would love to see an Emma Stone Spider-Gwen. Uh, as long as Sony has fuck nothing to do with it, that is.
Yeah, Sony still holds the license so it'll be their baby unless Disney buys Sony Pictures
Every time a person is upset about female superheroes, I feel sooooo good.
And every time the ones that are pushing an agenda fails, I feel sooooo good.
Its okay to be Angry Bob, even if you are relatively lucky.
I swear it feels that internet was a plot by Cobra Commander to make people really stupid. I did not mind the VO episodes and like them. I like Spider-Man but Oscar NO. Hell, I like the Eternals considering the source material, the Marvel Handbook could not explain what happened. I want to see DCEU to buy some lights it is too dark. Not in tone but it seems that these are lit by a birthday candle. My reaction to Batgirl and Supergirl are they good? Andrew Garfield got stuck in bad written movies. I liked Tick Tick Boom.
I swear these comic book guys make appreciate the Live and Let Live attitude of Al Queda. All I care is the story good, I saw Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice for free and wanted to sue for part of mu life I wasted on that Turd. Aquaman and Wonder Woman are the best movies of the DCEU, Aquaman!
Keep up the good work Moviebob.
I think that this is more a Lex Luthor/Brainiac scheme myself.
Oh god I have a vague recollection of one Cobra plot that involved Zartan’s goons becoming a rock group called “Cold Slither” and hypnotizing everyone via the music or music videos or something.
@@TrueYellowDart Nothing vague in my recollection on that one...or the Cobra TV scheme later. Things that outrageous, you just don't forget.
@@johnathonhaney8291 “We’re Cold Slither! You’ll be joining us soon!”
I *refuse* to believe that people want No Way Home nominated for Best Picture.
Have you not yet seen enough evidence that, yes, people actually ARE capable of being that level of stupid/entitled/thoughtless?
@@johnathonhaney8291 I think when I wrote that comment yesterday I briefly inhabited a better world, accessible only within the confines of my mind.
@@BlargleWargle Nothing wrong with such...just recognize which world we actually live in.
I'm just hoping this means I'll never have to see #Snyderwhatever ever again, I've been sickened with Snyder's vision for years now.
What the actual fuck was that blue stuffed bear clip?
Beebo from Legends of Tomorrow
Yeah Bob, you're allowed to say the last two years have been hard, 'cause they have been.
There's no "high water mark" for that, no "You must be at least this miserable to speak up" quotient.
Last couple years've been a complete shitshow and cost quite a few people quite a lot.
Hopefully we'll all see the other side, sooner or later.
NOTHING is forever, not even bad times. The other side is ahead of us. We just don't know how far out is all.
A lot of people still arguing in favor of another Andrew Garfield Spider-Man film are coming at this like "Well he enjoyed being Spider-Man! Why not give him another chance to be Spider-Man in a movie of his own that's good?" One, because it's Sony. Sony will fuck it up. Even Venom is only loved by people in a sort of ironic way in that it's so terrible they actually find it charming. (I didn't, but whatever) Trying to make this shit work again because the actor is a fanboy is forgetting that's he's not the director! He's an actor and he's gotta work with the material he's given and Sony's material, frankly, sucks.
Two, just because Andrew got a raw deal is not an excuse to try again. Lots of actors get raw deals over roles they were excited for. It's sad, but it happens. Garfield got to come back and be Spider-Man in a good movie apparently now, and ger closure apparently. You've gotten your third movie regardless. Anymore would just be redundant and he's not exactly crying over the fact he didn't get to be in a good Spider-Man movie either. He's moved on, why don't you?
This isn't really about which Spider-Man is better, it's just silly at this point. I know you all think you're doing Andrew a favor, but I don't think he cares nearly as much as all of you do. And frankly, saddling him with any of Sony's frankly garbage ideas for their sad remnants of a Spider-Man Cinematic Universe is just doing him a disservice. Let NWH be his swan song and way to resolve what was left hanging. You don't need a third movie in a failed series to prove to everyone Andrew wasn't the reason they failed, mainly because no one seems to think he was!
At this point I couldn't give less of a crap about anything in the "DCEU" series of movies and I hope they let The Batman be its own thing. If they throw Garfield into Morbius and whatever else then fine. That's probably what they're doing since they delayed the thing yet again; probably to add him in a post-credit scene. At this point I just want Multiverse of Madness to be good and to see who the hell they're putting in the Fantastic Four so I can figure out whether it will be worth investing another decade of attention to this stuff.
Only DCEU thing that I care about anymore is Aquaman. Although yes, The Suicide Squad looks good.
@@grandpagohan1 The Suicide Squad was great. I did also enjoy Aquaman so I’ll check out that sequel. But I definitely don’t have the energy to pay attention to them anymore. They’re about to get more confusing than some of the Marvel stuff.
Take whatever time you need, Bob. We've all been thrown for a loop for the last 2 years.
I really dislike this new wave of fanboy entitlement that has come about, as far as I can tell, from the DC fanboys who couldn't let go of the belief that DC would release a great film that would 'win' against Marvel and the MCU somehow managing to complain the Snyder Cut into being made. It's led to a level of entitlement not just to media made to their tastes, not just to the success of that media, but an entitlement to relitigate failed projects into successes It was bad enough when a film came out bad and fanboys insisted on 'proving' that it was good actually and you disliked it for bad-people reasons. Now, they don't just fantasise about the theoretical perfect version of a failed film, but demand that it somehow be dragged into reality, secret Sherlock episode style.
Why admit your expectations have been thwarted and let go, when you can insist that films that fail your own unrealistic expectations go back and try again and again until they pass?
I blame auteur theory a bit for this one. They saw all these old films that failed later become revered classics, so they decide that's what their faves HAVE to be. There's just one small problem: it's not actually up to their little cult to decide that. The larger audience has to get there on their own. Nor do they understand that constantly bringing up their faves is making people LESS inclined to hear them out. It's the worst excesses of drug pushing mixed those with evangelism.
1:54 I KNEW something was off with you, Mr. Chipman, and frankly I can sympathize, as that's been my situation more or less for those same two years. "One gets the terrible impression that war settles nothing, that to win a war is every bit as disastrous as to lose one."--Agatha Christie
I’m reminded of Jennifer Lawrence wanting out if her role as Mystique and how it was speculated that her workmates helped her out by killing off the character in Dark Phoenix.
Is that why she kinda phoned in her performances there? Which was weird, because she co-starred with Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy, (IMO) 2 acting powerhouses who both brought their A-games.
@@louisduarte8763 you know I can't actually tell so I can't say
"...if only they listened to you... they are not gonna listen to you anyway"
Remember when everyone was throwing a fit when Affleck was cast as Batman? Good times...
so who wants to bet bat girl is going to be called a mary sue?
Honestly I'd rather see Andrew Garfield stick to films like Tick Tick Boom or his theatre work than come back as a Peter Parker in his forties for a bunch of films. Cameos, sure, but nobody needs that.
It's my comment I can say whatever I want. Rubber baby buggy bumpers.
If Sony actually does go ahead and make ASM3, maybe they can also convince Disney to renew Spectacular Spider-Man?
Maybe? Please?
Dude... The first 3 minutes perfectly describe my head over the past few years...
May this year be the end of that for you, friend.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Really appreciate that man!
New cartoon, two new LA Batman stuff including the nostalgia double-tap of having an old Batman to the next gen that actually had served as Batman before.
Fans: "there is nothing for me but my entitlement"
I was not ready for that lowered expectations clip.
Now I'm cleaning up my spittake.
BEEBO WANT CUDDLES!!!
People forget about Star Trek actors. Glad you didn't. Feel sorry for Brent Spiner in particular who can be versatile when given a chance but somehow mostly gets stuck playing Data to the point where despite saying 20 years ago he wouldn't do it anymore, they had the audacity to convince him to swim in the gold paint again, which he regrets.
Let actors move on, please. Let them try other things. They're actors who already bend to our will for the roles they play - let them at least play the roles they want.
Adds a bit more bite to the subtext of Galaxy Quest, doesn't it? Star Trek TOS actors had a real uphill battle on that front. Leonard Nimoy, when given the chance, could turn in a first-rate villain performance. Hell, just look up him hosting "In Search Of.." and he gives off intimidating vibes (which is probably why Kirby made him the basis of Metron of The New Gods). Yet, he had to retreat behind the camera to have a post-Star Trek career.
This is my first Moviebob video in years and I have to say the first half of the video was completely pointless to the topic you had advertised. This video could’ve been half the length and nothing would’ve been lost
0:50 to 2:57 If that's not a perfect summary of the times, it will suffice till a better one comes along.
I wish you well on your journey Bob.
3:32 quick question, is this series any good? I’ve been meaning to check out Inside Job but it got lost in the shuffle.
AKA "Crisis on Infinite Batmans" 😁
They still did Kevin Conroy dirty.