2017 Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere Review
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- 2017 Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere Review : Arguably the bike that kicked off the super-traillie "Adventure" sector, the Yamaha Super Tenere is, in my opinion, a much overlooked and underated bike. Inspired by the early Paris-Dakar racers of the early eighties how does today's bike stand up against the competition? Stick around and stay tuned to find out!
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Probably the most reliable 1200 adventure bike on the planet ,not as hyped as the over priced unreliable BMW/KTM ,this bike is well proved and tested.
Every BMW and Triumph guy is weeping at this comment. #facts
Brilliant bike,go any and you come back on it!
Always liked the Super Tenere, great bike. Solid and very reliable.
NO, PLEASE ! NO MORE BEAKS ! Leave it ALONE ! 😣
Good work, Mr. Flyer !
Originally I owned an XTZ750 S10 and loved it, when these came out I had to have one so waited a few years after launch and got one, I had one of these for two years (2013 model) from 2014 to 2016 and loved it. spent some cash on it though to get it how I wanted it. ACD bashplate, Alt-Rider heal plates and crash bars, Yam touring screen and aux lamps, Holan Panniers, loads of carbon fibre bodywork and finally a full Arrow exhaust system and ECU re-flash by CJS. Being honest it went like stink after the breathing/ECU mods and on FJ/FJR club runs would leave an FJR for dead. The bike rode very light considering its weight and was very easy to man handle in the garage . It was great on fuel and had true all day long comfort and made a mockery of GSADVs and Tiger Exploders. My issues with it where twofold, firstly the finish on the spokes was crap, Yamaha to their credit replaced two sets under warranty, a complete PITA as the bike looks scruffy with dull and rusty spokes. The second issue was the wife hated being on the pillion because of the snatchy instant take up on the throttle. So it had to go and make way for a 2016 FJR-AE. It doesn't need a beak and for Gods sake don't say that on any Tenere forum.....lol The aux lights mount under the headlights. I'd have another tomorrow, even if the wife wouldn't get on the back I'd raise the seat to it's high position and could do 500 mile days no problem. Neveu rode an XT500 and 550, Peterhansel rode the YZE 750 and 850 (TRX motor) and if I remember correctly one French nutcase fitted an FZ750 motor in one although it wasn't that successful. A good revue about a bike that isn't a BMW/KTM or Ducati!
Thanks for watching and for stopping buy! All the best - TMF
Bulletproof !! reviews always put the GS vs KTM adv. ,but the Tenere would be more reliable ,I'd say probably the most reliable 1200 adv.on the market.
Out of interest, on what evidence are you basing this??
I met a french man on the ferry to the isle of man last year, he had a three year old tenere with 110k kms on the clock, he had made his way up from north Africa, aesthetically the bike looked a right mess. The only maintenance he had done in three years was oil and filter changes. I think thats fairly impressive.
Most statistics usually show Japanese bikes require a lot less maintenance and repair than most European manufacturers. I ride a GSA right now, but I'm not impressed with the mechanical stability of it this past year. But it rides great though.
@@shanemcredmond9751 lots of GS bikes with triple the mileage and much much older. I'd say putting 110k kms in three years is much less stressful on a machine than say 30k kms of inner-city commuting and weekend warrior duty. IMHO, all well-kept modern bikes are quite reliable.
@@TheMissendenFlyer I own the R1200 gsa, KTM 1290saT, 1190 adv, R 990 adv , and f800gs and my tenere has required nothing out of routine maint in 50,000 mi. I know several people with over 200,000 miles on the clock with zero issues. but the sad bit is the tenere is abit small for me, the ktms are the most comfortable followed by the gsa.
As a former Triumph Tiger 800 rider I was looking for a shaft drive bike. I always considered the big GS's and Tiger Explorer as being too big. Then saw a ST for sale in a local Honda dealership and didn't think this was the case - now purchased and what a great bike! 😎
Nice review as usual. From what I've read this bike has the best feel for stand up slow crawls over the dirt and rocks, if you really would use for that sort of riding. It doesn't have the flash as the competition, but I've also heard the all day comfort is superior. Not a poser bike, but likely a good one. Cheers!
Finally a decent up to date review of a completely under estimated bike, actually requested a review a few months back of this back :), instead of the beak I recommend the additional fog lights under the head lights instead of a beak
Thank you Con1985 - I think a beak and some lights and the looks would be sorted!
TheMissendenFlyer I have the lights myself nice looking but quiet pricey but make quite a difference at night
Great review, nick sanders as done a zillion miles on super tens,and never had a breakdown, super reliable bikes, hope yamaha gets there new tenere 700 out soon.
Yes good point Kevin - a ringing endorsement if ever there was one...thanks for watching - TMF
Been following the channel for some time now and really glad you reviewed this bike. I got the 2017 model April this year and couldn’t be happier. Agree on the beak and screen hence why I have replaced with aftermarket parts. Reliable and great to ride. Keep those reviews coming.
Cheers Alex - willco...
Went from a 2011 Ducati Multistrada to the 2013 Super Tenere. No regrets, and no more tickets. Great review, well said...
I purchased mine because we have a friend who rides his ST really hard every weekend on the forestry roads in Canada he is a nutter, and he couldn't kill it. Plus, It was sill in good enough shape for him to trade it in for another one.
I have found this bike does it all, and is very comfortable for long hauls.
Great review I own a 2017 Yamaha Super Tenere ES Model, just returned from a 14 day 8,500 Km trip from Dawson Creek British Columbia to Tuktoyaktuk, Alaska , Yukon and Northwest Territories. I rode 3 gravel roads the Dempster Highway 880 Km one way, Top of the World Highway and the Old Denali Highway. About 2000 km of gravel. I used Mitas E07 Dakar Tires and they worked very well for the whole trip ( no Flats ). I saw many Teneres , BMW 1200GS , 800 GS , Kawasaki KLRs , KTMs, Honda African twins on the Dempster. I found the Super Tenere performed very well and easy to ride long distances. I did the trip solo and on the Dempster you may have a vehicle 1/2 hr ahead of you and one 1/2 behind you not much traffic. I am very happy with the Super Tenere but alot of different bikes made the trip it not so much what you ride its that you ride. Keep up the good videos I've Subscribed.
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Hello MissendenFlyer,
Congratulations for your test!
This bike is a joy ...... I would buy it for long trips ... .. it turns out that this bike does not stand out in several sections but everything and absolutely everything does very well ...... many people say that the engine does not have spicy, but for me taste you can see something from the fourth gear ... .. the only thing I hate about this bike is to adjust the windscreen ......... ..
Bought a 2018 ES.....
Love this bike.......
Thanks for the great review.....
Howard Morris Love my 2018.
Enjoyed another of your reviews, and it's nice to hear someone else say "Thank you" out loud even though they can't hear you .. oh, and you contributed to my decision to buy an Africa Twin DCT, and your review was very accurate ...
Glad we concur Graham!
Nice review TMF. A very purposeful looking machine and I really love that blue/black combo.
Another brilliant review by TMF.I can’t wait to demo ride the 2019 ST ES. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Great review Mr flyer, video quality is excellent. Love the pre amble about the history of the super tenere, you always remind me why I ride bikes.! Well done.
That's very kind of you - thanks Andy!
A good & accurate review sir. I have just sold my Super Ten after 6 years of trouble free, comfortable & relaxing touring. It really is a great workhorse & is so badly underrated. It doesn't have the superficial appeal of it's German or Italian competitors, which the motorcycle press love, but it just gets on with the job & does it superbly well. It never let me down once, despite some harsh treatment. Despite it's weight, once it's on the move it feels so nimble & is actually a good fun ride, for a Sunday afternoon blast. I only sold it because it was getting too heavy for me to move around the garage. I miss it.
Yes I must say I thought it was a much under-rated ride....what will you get now?
I've just picked up a Tracer 900. First impressions ? Incredibly light & a bundle of fun. Great engine. I do wish though I'd seen the Multistrada 950 before I opted for the Tracer, it does look a tidy bike. Cheers.
@@cbyam1300 i own a fjr 1300 02 i love it but if i get a newer bike it would be the super tenere because shaft drive or a tracer 900 but its chain
Is the Super Ten buzzy riding on the highway at 80 mph?
@@Dnewman3402-6 It's a while since I had the Super Ten, but I don't remember it being buzzy, at any speed. It it made high speed touring effortless, with it's "turbine" like engine. The only downside for me, was the weight. It's a heavy old beast.
Hello MTV , just watched your video of biking and flying brings back memories as I was a airtrafic controller and a commercial pilot as my side line and owned a piper Archer for many years, now into motorcycling and just put a deposit down for new Yamaha super tenere your review was great , please post some more flying videos nice to see England from the air, cheers
Hi Terry - well this is a motorbike channel but a lot of people have asked for more flying so I probably will post more...stay tuned!
Thank you Sir nice review. After this, I'm probably buy the Raid editon this year. I follow the evolution of this bike since 2011 and now there is no more doubt.
Great review! So many wonderful motorcycles out there right now and they keep getting better! Competition is a good thing!
Thanks for the comment and I completely agree! All the best - TMF
You should do a white van review.
Hahaha 17:20, the place to start!
Lol..
Great review, excellent bike too. I got the chance to ride it once and I really loved it. The only downside about it is the radiator fan that keeps kicking every now and then.
Thanks, Chief! That's another on the test ride list!
On the buffet subject, I cured it on my vstrom 650 with a mirror change, retaining stock screen.
Tried a crosstourer 1200 a few weeks back with givi aftermarket screen and that good ol buffet was back with a vengeance!
How interesting - never occurred to me that mirrors would make a big difference!
Just bought a 2011 model , gorgeous machine very well built and a bargain second hand compared to a GS. Thanks again for the film.
Simon Foster me too, picked up a 2010 last weekend with 4K miles on it 😁, already put a beak on it, wind deflectors, touratech adjustable windscreen, heed crash bars, rear mud guard, givi skid plate and panier system from sw motech, it is a complete diferent bike in looks.
The Super Tenere is bike royalty. Thanks for review.
...thanks for watching once again!
Loved the video! I'm hoping to buy a used Super Tenere in the spring to compliment my TW200.
Again another great review. Look forward to each new one. I test road the 2017 bike and really liked it but a couple of things stood out as a negative. One was the screen gave a serious amount of head shaking and I,m only 5ft 7. An MRA spoiler would probably sort that out. The second thing I noticed was the gear indicator had a sort of delayed reading so you are never sure what gear you are in for several seconds. Totally needs a TFT screen like on the new Tracer 900 GT which looks awesome. It was a very comfortable bike to ride though.
Great review, it was the decider in me selling 2 bikes to try and find the one bike that does it all, early days so far, but so far so good👍
Took a test ride on a Super Ten a few days ago, really nice, comfy bike with a great engine. It has plenty of torque and power, do you really need 150bhp on an adventure bike or any other bike for that matter. I am 6'2" and experienced horrendous wind noise from the screen until I found out how to adjust it and it was night and day. Brilliant bike!
Agreed all round!
Just tell me how did you nail the wind noise.
I sat on this twice at the NEC recently. I'm 5 foot 7' and could almost flat foot on it. Really liked it. The tenere 700 and GS are either too big or too tall. If I had the money I would seriously consider it. Good review.
Thank you Chris!
Did I miss you changing modes between Sport, Touring and Rain...? The fact is, this heavy ADV bike is a thousand times better than a Stelvio or older 1150 series BMW GS from years ago- We (motorcyclists), are so spoiled with what's available- If the Yamaha is cheaper to service and maintain than a newer (r1200GS), and is clearly cheaper out the Dealer's door, yet still offers the ease of shaft drive, it's almost a hands down winner over a GS... (And I'm a GS guy!)
Shaft drive is essential for touring in my opinion and it's just so much easier to maintain, just change the dif oil every year.
Thanks TMF. Glad you finally got access to a S10. I have ridden both the S10 and R1200GS LC extensively and have made my conclusions. But I would like to know your thoughts comparing the two. Barring the wind buffeting (I have zero buffering on my S10), can you please list 3 PROS and 3 CONS comparing it with the R1200GS? Thanks
I think I've got to have one of these. I've always liked the specs of the BMW GS, but not the over complicated design and expensive parts and service. Nor the ribbed tires of other adv bikes. Here, we have Japanese quality and reliability, reasonable parts prices, in something to compete with the GS.
Enjoyed the review, nice job as usual, thanks.
Excellent review, more professional than professional reviews, very enjoyable, thanks. Love the bike. Fun fact - I'm on a 900lbs full dresser Vulcan Voyager and that Yamaha SuperTen with standard factory side bags is actually a bit wider than Voyager...
Thanks very much - love a fun fact!
What I like the most about this particular mount is the engineered rear wheel swing arm opposite the shaft driven side! For me this adds a bit of stability for the more extreme aspects of off road riding. Don't know if this was intentional or designed from engineering to be a more robust riding feature but it does alleviate my concerns for/of the single sided swingers/shaft drive aspects.
Yes agreed - thanks for watching - TMF
I just love the S10. I'm a tall bloke (1,96m) weighing almost 100kgs, so the bike's weight doesn't bother me too much. I have ridden one of these once and was completely blown away by the level of refinement, the excellent engine and the comfortable riding position, even on the back seat. My wife was perfectly happy with it. One day I will definitely buy one, but I already have 2 bikes (a 1992 BMW K75 and a 1983 K100), so I'll have to cope with that first. ;-)
Very good review, BTW...
Thanks :0)
Interesting review and still relevant today as the current model has not really changed.
I bought a low mileage 2014 EZ version a few months ago simply because I wanted to keep my next bike long term and did not want the worry about being out of the manufacturer's warranty with the threat of large repair costs. Many online reviews from owners, over many thousands of miles, coupled with Nick Sanders experience were enough to convince me this was the right bike for me. It is not as dynamic, both performance or handling wise, as the R1200GSA LC I previously owned, but my riding priorities have changed.
A large Puig screen and Yamaha small side winglets have removed 99% of the buffeting allowing me to listen to my music whilst commuting on the motorway at decent speeds! I have not noticed any issues with the brakes.
Having got used to it I can sum it up as a great and thoroughly enjoyable bike, well worth considering if you want to keep it long term.
Nice on Guy - thanks for the feedback....all the best - TMF
Have a 2014, ridden it over 60,000 in two years, mostly touring with some light off road, with no issues at all.
All bikes are subjective, I can only say this is an excellent and honest review in my opinion, thank you kind Sir.
Thank you Maradewy - great to get some real-world long-term feedback and glad we concur!
I love mine, great bike. Also have a need to acquire the FJR 1300.
Excellent review as usual, took the non electrically suspended model out on a test ride back to back with a new 1200GS and no offence but preferred the Yamaha. In fact loved it so much have just ordered the yellow 60th anniversary model with electric suspension and it should arrive latter this week. ☺🙃
Yes lovely machine Scott - congratulations on your new bike!
TheMissendenFlyer PS still got the Ducati Hypermotard for posing, hooning and looking at. ☺
Scott Mitchell
And Yamaha is second only to Honda for world wide service, if needed.
YST and RnineT gonna be my set ;)
I wish Yamaha was still advancing the bike's features. Bravo to them for adding cruise control and electronically adjustable suspension, but it seems like making that suspension semi-active would have been a natural progression. Still a great bike, but it would seem it's moving toward the end production with the lack of any recent upgrades.
Another great review. Always wanted a detailed review on this bike, as I think it’s a little underrated.
Glad to oblige Nick!
your reviews are the best around. where do you film them? if you dont mind me asking. its so so beautiful, properties full of character, roads with trees hugging on the top. its heaven that you drive in. enjoy it
I am so pleased that you finally got round to riding this bike as you say it is always seems to be forgotten. I have a 2013 model and to date not one issue and it has typical Japanese reliability. One thing you never mentioned the engine modes,Touring & Sport which mode was you in? I do agree that the bike is very minimalist but that was one of the reasons I went for it as it has all the everyday functions that you would require in the real world after all once you have the bike dialled in to your preference how often would you change it. Thanks again for a great review
Cheers Smiffter97 and yes my bad leaving out the engine modes (did I not even mention them!? - Oops)....
Good evening TMF thank you for the video and review Take Care and a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family 😎👍🇬🇧.
You too Wayne, thanks for all your support this year!
Could have bought any bike this summer for my 50th, wife was in a really good mood. Chose a 2016 50th anniversary S10, maybe not as fast, or as technologically advanced as others but something about it was just right. That and the fact that it reminded me of why I wanted and adventure bike, the early Dakar rallies. I remember those first super tenere's and how much I loved them and when I saw this one,I had to have it. I love it, suits me perfectly and I am quite sure with Yamaha super reliability and build quality that I could ride this anywhere with no worries at all. I am actually looking at shipping it to the UK to do a tour in the next coming few years.
Sounds like a great plan Lance (and wife!) - glad you like the bike....all the best - TMF
Very nice and informative review. I am trying to soak up as much rider review information as possible as I am quite keen to trade in current motorbike on a Super Tenere.
Glad to be of assistance!
yeah a nice bike, i had forgotten about the super tenere. the 660 is much more common around my way and much more practical for day to day riding and certainly for off road work. cheers.
Good job reviewing the updated version of my bike 2010 super tenere 👍
Thank you Mike - do you concur with my findings? Anything about the bike you'd change??
TheMissendenFlyer No you were spot on ! Its a no frills GS basically, but has not changed much in 7 years .I think Yamaha are slipping behind the opposition with this one - they are more interested in the tracer I don’t think this has many years left before Yamaha drop it.😩
As always a solid review TMF. You compared with many bikes but not the Vstrom 1000, another big twin but slightly cheaper. Any thoughts?
Nice review. I really wish you'd switched to sport mode, it's a completely different acceleration experience. It erupts from low rpm rather than the lethargic and gentle glide of tour mode. I own a 2015 ES.
I’ve always been partial to the Tenere in principle, even the XT660Z (which is now discontinued, and was way too tall for the likes of you or I). The bike clearly competes in the adventure touring category if one were considering buying new, but in the second hand market the decision is less clear, and I can’t see the advantage over a good used R1200GS. However, I am very interested in the new 700 twin that was previewed at EICMA recently, but it’s unlikely to be out to market before I make my next bike change in the spring. Clearly I’m speaking from my own perspective with a potential budget of £8500, and a preference for twins, even though the tiger 800 XCX is tempting as you can pick up a pretty recent example comfortably within my budget. Not sure I could live with the whine, but a test ride will soon sort that out!
...I love that whine....
Very interesting, thanks. Did you prefer the 2018 Africa Twin Adventure Sports to this one? Something appealing about the S10 but no demos available. Really enjoyed the ATAS DCT. Thanks
" and you can adjust this, hello sir ". love it
So pleased that Yamaha has stayed away from those HIDEOUS beaks! Yamaha have served me well over the years and I’ve never had one leave me stranded, something I can’t say about the BMW’s I’ve owned.
Great review..... good all round touring bike that I would be proud to ride off the ferry.... and use the change to buy a street twin.. or buy a GSA.. !
Cheers Dave....
Good review, happy there's no beak here, the only bike that looks okay-ish with it is the GS, the rest of them like the Vstrom look awful, should be removable for those that don't fancy one..
I don't think I've ever seen a review of a Yamaha bike where the reviewer says the bike has amazing brakes... My 07 R1 had "adequate" brakes, and even the all-singing, all-dancing R1M still has nothing special for brakes. Why on earth is Yamaha the only major manufacturer who doesn't use Brembo brakes on their bikes?
Great review as always!
Dunno, odd one that isn't it.....
I know this may not have many takers. But the Yamaha super tenere is a solid alternative to the GS 1250. Long distance Mike munching with a bit of off roading would be great in these two. Would you be able to do a comparison on these two bikes please.
It has been a year since you rode this, but see what you can remember about riding it. How do you feel it compares to the new Tiger 1200 you tested not long after this one. Comfort, handling etc. Not concerned about off road as like you I mainly use them for touring.
Funny you should mention the TARDIS, looks like you’ve gone back in time a few months!😄 Another fantastic bike review. I’ve always liked the Super Tenere.
Well spotted sir - the fabric of the space time continuum is clearly fraying at the edges....
Thanks for the the review, never realised until now that there was a twin cylinder larger engine version or one with a direct drive. Bet it's fairly easy to get it fixed if your in Morocco or somewhere like that! Not too complicated hopefully. Thanks m flyer
Thanks for watching and for stopping buy! All the best - TMF
great vid mate Merry Christmas
Cheers Phillip - you too...
I'd also add a front fender extension and possibly a more robust skid plate that has a space for oil filter replacement process. In the states the Super Tenere has a stellar reputation as the bike with the least troubles/issues from the factory. However the only real concerns I've heard/read about is the panniers system from the factory. At the very least it's terrible and the best, it's something you'd be better off purchasing a set of aftermarket panniers! I do think big bear out of Idaho makes the best set along with overbuilt skid plates!
I hear all sorts of moans about the stock panniers. I've got a set of OEM luggage on my 2010 First Edition XT. Its got 95000 miles on now and my luggage is working brilliantly. I've abused it plenty and its been down several times. Nothing wrong with the luggage whatseover.
great informative nice to listen to review. Thank you!
Very good for the price for sure. I'm surprised that I don't see more of these. I like the Cruise control. Honda missed the mark by not having Cruise Control on the Africa Twin. Thanks for another great review!
You're super welcome James!
Another really nice riding review, I do so like your style of review as well as the broad range of bikes you take on. If there were anything else I might want in your reviews it would simply be comment on fuel economy, especially with the ADV bikes simply because, like any ADV rider will confide, is the occasional stress that goes along with Not being entirely certain on some rides if your going to make it to the next fuel up! I also ride a R1200GS and as example, on my recent nearly 8,000 mile (approx 12,800km) there were a number of times I was unable to keep my chosen paths, forced to go far out of my way, especially in one case where I'm pretty sure I coasted in on fumes to a less than desirable fueling station in the middle of nowhere (I always carry anti-ethynol enzymes and "Sea Foam" fuel conditioner)... So tank size and fule economy are important! I also think that while I have ridden many different makes and models, every time I get back on my R1200GS, it really is like coming home to the BEST, most balanced and essentially capable ride there is! I would like to, as example, add a Ducati Multistrada Enduro or Enduro Pro into my Riding Harem, after a recent test drive on a slightly older Multistrada but I think the R1200GS will likely always be my main ride... Much thanks for all you do!
Thanks for the kind comments - much appreciated! All the best - TMF
I have a '15 S10 and love it. Its really good well rounded bike, sure there are better (more expensive) bikes out there. I've never really understood why the S10 never makes any publishing, its like the bike just does not exist in the adventure world. I don't think it really does any ONE thing extraordinarily well, but it does do all the things well. If you are a super technical rider than you might not like it, but if you are your average joe enjoying riding then this bike is great.
Also from watching the video you never took it out of T. The bike wakes up GREATLY once you put it in sport mode, T is pretty lethargic. However in sport you have to get used to the very snatchy throttle.... Most people say its not ridable in traffic, I personally leave it in Sport and filter in traffic every day with zero issues.
Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF
SD Cruiser I
Proper use of the clutch makes sport mode just fine. In sport mode, the engine is directly hooked to your input. It’s all you at that point. Rolling off the throttle? Slip the clutch with a finger a bit.
I recently bought a 2015 XT1200ZE. I really wish he'd switched to S, it was apparent he did not and the difference in throttle response is HUGE. I also ride in S unless with a pillion.
It doesn't really sound good on this video, but it can be decieving. What did you think? I just bought an Africa Twin, but I got a look at one of these at a motorcycle show. I don't regret my purchase but I think this would have made my purchase more difficult had it been on my radar.
Enjoyed this review, thanks 👍
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching....
did you have chance to see the black matt one in flesh when taking this one out by any chance? looks savage in catalogue, very intimidating haha (love)
Not sure why so many overlook this bike. Great review
Me neither - thanks Jay....
Underrated motorcycle.
I rode one when they first came out, it felt clunky and the engine was rattling and just not very nice.. That put me off.. Might have just been abused?
Thks for the review! This just answer my doubts and end it up buying a 2018 Super ténéré! 😁
What are those crash bars?
Thank you and keep on the good journey
Apparently you can flash the ecu which removes the throttling for EU regs and give the bike a lot more power.
I followed the mod recommendations of a motorcycle magazine that recommended ECU flashing, K&N filter, Yosh can and Arrow headers for a 125hp dyno reading. Very pleased with the power delivery and sound of this alteration
Good review. One thing you did not mention is that the radiator is on the side of the engine. Never going to catch a stone thrown from the front wheel. I have a Super Tenere and really like it although the 18 GSA is tempting me.
Also a good reason to get crash bars because if it falls over on the radiator side it's disaster to at the very least, the radiator fan.
I'd love to see yamaha update this platform. Wonder what they'd do with it...
Me too, don’t understand why Yamaha has not done it already, a bit more power and a little lighter, but please keep the shaft drive.
Great job on your MC reviews, very objective! I am considering Super T vs STD GS for entirely road use, mostly 2up touring, $4K price difference here in Ontario, any preference from your perspective ?
GS
Shaft drive does it for me. Seems better value than the big gs.
Leandro Natale. Me too no more cruddy chain to clean and lubricate. How much power do you lose through a shaft drive compared to a chain?
James Downie think shaft drive bikes are so good now, you'd barely notice the difference between chain or shaft.
@@judownie around 25% i think. It's quite a lot. A chain is only 10%
@@judownie actually chain drive is even more efficient with up to only 6% power loss.
@@carlosandleon please don't talk if you don't know the facts!
Thanks for the review, lovely bike and lovely route. Is there any chance you're going to review more smaller adventure bikes and in particular the Kawasaki Versys x 300? I would love to see your shared personal opinion on this one. Anyway, stay safe and cheers!
Yes I hope too - stay tuned for the BMW G310GS review coming very soon for example - and the Kawa is on the wish list...
Yet another solid bike. Can’t go wrong these days. I’m not a fan of beaks but it needs something at the front.
....agreed....
Getting one in July fingers crossed 🤞
Nice one Nisar!
Good review. Looks like a nice do-all bike.
Awesome Video. Time to ride now.
Agreed!
Run a GS LC myself and enjoyed your impression, Yam need to update this bike it's tired but build quality is the best shame they could do really well if they got their act together.
Truth, Yamaha needs to get on this ASAP. The adventure segment seems to be growing. A company like Yamaha should be making a huge footprint here. They have gone to long between generations.
If you Would choose between versys 1000 and This Xtz Tenere, Wich one Would it be if you drive 99.9% roads as for me.
Once in a while with full packing, tent and all you need for a weekend trip to Explore some old countrysides?
Best regards Ola from sweden.
( borrowed a XTZ for a weekend trip)
( Try out the versys for a test ride this week)
Tenere easily.....
When you pull the front brake lever on its own only one disc and the back work. If you touch the back brake first then the front you get both discs!
Got it - thanks for that....
Really. i didn't know that
Excellent review MTG , nice to get a review of a underrated bike , now how about a review of some HONDAS! eg: CROSSRUNNER CROSSTOURER etc..
and remember if it wasn't for white vans this country would ground to a halt ! 😂
Looking forward to next year's reviews and tours .
All the best to you and your family , have a great CHRISTMAS
BOB
Cheers Bob - Have some more Honda reviews in the can - stay tuned!
Just to let you know the XT 500 did win the first to Paris-Dakar races. Minor but important difference. There is a huge XT 500 fan community around the world, but not that many for the XT 550.
Is this the ES version and is there a fair amount of trouble adjusting the seat?
Sold my Tiger and purchased a low mileage Super10.... Wow what a bike ......🙏🏽 Yamaha 👍
Fascinating bike - and you are 100% right, it is often overlooked and not in the conversation. Find it interesting that it's cable throttle still, seems odd in the age of drive-by-wire.
It is drive by wire - the throttle cables are linked to a servo that actuates the throttle
Then TMF's comment on it in the video is totally on point - it's unnecessarily cumbersome.
Another great review mate, did you manage get hold of an FJR in end. Be interested to see how it fairs against the latest crop of bikes.
Not yet - it's still on the wish list....
TheMissendenFlyer just watched your review of the MT-10 SP again, that look like an amazing bike.
Hi TMF, what are those two pipes coming from the throttle direction.?
Surely should have ride by wire. A way to go to get to the gsa and KTM 1290.
It does - the cables go to an actuator not to a throttle body of any sort.
Braking may require further miles to bed in if the machines mileage is low? Shaft drive pro's and con's you cannot change gearing also the added weight with shaft drive. But generally my overall thought is off road use a shaft makes sense, no grit wearing out chains and at the end of a day, quick to clean?
Agreed....
Absolutely love my shaft drive, had chain drive bikes for 5 years before my current ('12 tiger 1200) and it's so easy. I'm away fairly regularly aswell, and unless you completely clean and lube your chain before you go, and keep t indoors it WILL rust.
I even cleaned and lubed the chain on my old '15 650 vstrom and because it's outside (with a cover on) the chain was STILL rusty when I got back after 6 weeks -.-
Don't think I'll go back to chain on my primary bike now 😊
Good point also you'll know your wheels are inline with shaft, wonder how many machines around have adjusted the chain and the back wheel is askew?
john rocker I agree, I was probably guilty of this with all my previous chain drive bikes, I'd measure it reasonably well first time, the just tighten it on each side by roughly the same amount of turns and that was it. None of that to worry about now
By your review and the walk-around, I'd be quite happy with this bike, but that oil filter !! I'd be permanently nervous riding out there with it. With a bike that's designed for the off road as well, I find it silly that it's positioned right in the wake of the front wheel and fully exposed. Puncture that with an obstacle from the road or trail and the bike becomes just a metal on wheels. Surely they should have fitted a guard over it, or used the bolt - on type of oil filter cartridge. It can happen, as a similar mishap I had once, was when I rode through a forest and the ground was covered with twigs fallen from the trees. The bike picked up one such twig and flung it towards the rear wheel and ripped off the chain tensioner. Fortunately I had the tools to pull the rear wheel back to take up the chain slack and rode on. But to lose the oil filter and the engine oil, I don't know so much.
First couple of Paris-Dakar were won by XT 500, not 550
The first Paris-Dakar race winner Yams were XT500 models. 550s never won the rally. Did he say the Super 10s spoke wheels are optional? That would be wrong, I believe. The beaklessness was not only NOT a buying choice deterrent for me, but exactly the opposite. Contrary to most other big adventure bikes which appear to insist on ugliness as part of the rugged appeal required, the S10 actually pleases the eye, rather than offend it. Optical appeal being more subjective than pretty much any other aspect....