BMW GS vs YAMAHA SUPER TENERE - Which One Should YOU Buy?
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- So why would I choose a Yamaha super tenere over a BMW? Well that all depends on what year ranges we are talking about. The short answer is YES, but let me explain. if I was choosing between the Yamaha ST's and BMW GS made between 2015-2017 ST COME TO DADDY. Anything after that….well you will have to watch the video and see.
over the years I have tried many bikes and the Yamaha super tenere 1200ze is one that always stuck out to me as one of the best adventure motorcycles. of course my favorite of all time is the BMW R1250GS.
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00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Weight
02:16 - Power/grunt
02:31 - Riding 2 up
02:50 - Cornering
03:20 - Compatible Features
03:48 - Riding Modes
04:18 - 2017 R1250GS
05:00 -Off Road
05:25 - ABS not traction control
06:15 - Wind Protection
06:55 - Dependability
07:25 - GS Killer?
08:10 - Throttle
09:45 - R1250GS Cornering
10:25 - Final Decision
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Just a heads up. The section I spoke about Traction Control I was actually meaning ABS.
I got that right away. I am an ST rider (2012 model year). The traction control in level one allows me to get some slide in the rear on dirt roads. When traction control is off, I find it actually a little too squirely. As for ABS, yes, it's sometime a pain that you can't lock the rear. All this said, I ride my ST year round in Minnesota (I don't have a car) and typically run about 3000 miles a month, mostly on commuting for work to central MN, but also have taken cross country trips and other long trips. I once thought about trading the ST for a KTM 1190 or a GS, but have kept it because it is stupid reliable, parts are available everywhere, and it just never quits. Since the motor tends to be very understressed (as compared to a KTM, in particular), it goes without fail. The KTM 1190 and 1290 run at much higher revs and, although faster, are also working harder. The "happy place" for the 1190/1290, in my riding experience, is about 6-8K; whereas the ST happily trundles along at 2500 to 4k, and is running at about 4k at 75 to 80 mph. As for BMW, they are generally reliable, but my average repair costs (for the couple of things I can't do myself) are much less than for BMW, and by comparison with my friends on Beemers, I think the ST is just more reliable, particularly the early model, and parts, if needed, are easy to obtain and cheap. Since I value faultless reliability and ease of repair above all else, I prefer the ST, although it does give up some performance to KTM/BMW. Finally, as for turn in, absolutely, it falls easily into turns, and with the right tires, can be ridden aggressively. In the winter, I run a mix of Shinko/Metzler winter tires for better grip, and watch my turns on ice. As for cold, dress for it and go.
@@guit156 great to see people loving these bikes. Yes you are looking at a higher running cost on the KTM or BMW.
I also love the looks of a blacked out ST. I’m also interested to ride the new T7
@@guit156 ,, thanks for your reply.
I wired a bypass switch in the ABS circuit(fused) just incase I want it off.
You can research it if you're really interested 👌. Cheers 🍻, G.
@@guit156 Terrific summary to add on to the video.
Just got a 2013 ST with only 10k miles (+new tires and plenty of addons) and the reliability, along with comfort and tank size, was the highest priority.
Planning trips through the bulk of Canada and back in the next 24months and need something bulletproof. Couldn't be happier with this find!
Great video. I bought a brand new GS 1250 in 2020. It was my dream bike. I loved everything about it except that I quickly ran into reliability issues. I had fork problems and then issues where the bike would not start leaving me stranded at the gas station or store or whatever. I completely lost confidence in that bike and ended up trading it for an FJR1300. I rode that one for a little over a year and enjoyed it but I was missing the adventure bike feeling. I traded the FJR for a Super Tenere 1200 2023 and man I am happy. What a bike. Having ridden both the GS and the ST, I will say the GS is a more refined ride with more power. If you get one that gives you no issue and are ready to go at least once a year to the dealership for the check up and to get that warming light off of your display, then go with the GS. But know that the ST is pretty much just as good, more reliable and is cheaper to buy and to maintain. There is nowhere the GS can take you that the ST cannot. But ultimately, had I not run into issues with my GS, I would still be riding that bike.
I'm a 2021 Yamaha ST ES owner and I agree GS is in another level, BUT.... Not all bikers there want so much electronic stuff more systems equals to more points of failure, along with the costs of maintaining and repairing a BMW I. The middle of nowhere, Yamaha offers a simple (not that much now with heated grips, electronic suspension, etc) I mean Yamaha is super reliable, simply and I rather like that I don't really need so much electronic assistance, so I think Yamaha is for rare guys like me that love a simple and though bike
Totally agree! ST really is a beast of a motorcycle and may be the most reliable out there.
I’m really excited about the T7 world raid. That engine (stated by some German engineers) is the most reliable engine on the market.
I would LOVE to own one of those as a second bike.
@@AmericanAbroad1 yup t700 is a great option for off, keep the sT1200 for touring with pillion
I’m a current gs owner and the S10 is my next bike. I love my current gs but the amount of tech on the newer bmws is getting ridiculous.
In addition ST much much much more comfortable than GS
@@alexanderdolotovsky1101 are you saying this from personal experience? I can ride my GS literally from sun up to sundown without issue albeit taking brakes here and there. It’s known and accepted as one of the most comfortable motorcycles in existence. Looking at the S10 cockpit it looks just as comfortable but not WAY more comfortable.
I own 2015 Super Tenere - I can vouch for the points in your comparison - spot on. It is the small small things that really count - and value for money is what XT1200Z is a testament for
The running cost,if you go for a second hand bike will be much cheapper with the ST than the GS. Yamaha is just more reliable. Had a GSA, but the dealership through me off completly from BMW's. I think BMW internaly, are too much focus on the rich customers, and the way they conduct their business with their dealers and customers is wrong. Gone back to japanese bike.
Not always the better bike, but they don't let you down.
Ride safe.
Yamaha vs bmw... the bmw, ducati, ktm are high performance machines! They have high maintenance costs like any other high performance machine. You don't buy a porche and worry about the mechanic bill or how often it breaks down. The yamaha is for the average Joe that wants a dependable bike, not having to worry about it breaking down,huge service costs, that just runs, has plenty of power, for a enduro touring motorcycle,comfort,good fuel consumption, etc etc.
Average Joe? 😅😅 your definition of high performance requires revisiting my friend...
When we say adventure bike...it means going to remote places, May be in the middle of nowhere, etc...so the priority is not having a breakdown there because if it happens you will be eating a lot of sh*** just to get the bike back to the mechanic or the dealer...look at the Australians who buy often the basic Toyota LC....their priority is reliability not comfort or unnecessary accessories (and of course the ability of modifying it substantially without compromising the reliability)
Amen. I’m not average Joe. Just a practical guy. The Tenere has suited me perfectly. Far more than my BMwobbleU ever had.
love my bmw gs 140000km on the clock and still going strong they definately built to last
@@jamesmcgrath5822 Built to last until the recall is issued.
I really get your point. With blandness usually comes more reliability. As you squeeze more and more performance from an engine you compromise on reliability. s10 seems to be a good compromise of performance and reliability. There’s also other variables like QC and using quality components. I love my Gs and have been hard on it. No recalls to date. Sometimes bmw will try and reinvent the wheel and it comes back to bite them. Think servo brakes on the 05 and 06 gs and now their fiasco with Haynes calipers on the 2022 models. That’s what they get for not using brembos anymore and trying to save a buck. My 2018 gsa is sublime and has everything I want and nothing more but I would never buy a new one. The amount of tech on these bikes once you get past 2021 model is too much. Adaptive cruise control? Cornering headlights? Crap I don’t want that you have to pay someone to fix once it goes bad and it will go bad! No thanks bmw.
The BMW may be better featured, but it also has a lot of reliability issues that are expensive to fix. Their driveshaft problems are legendary. I have a 2014 ST, while it doesn’t have all those nice features, the bike is very reliable and very responsive especially after an ECU flash. There’s no doubt the ST is the best bang for the buck.
For sure. Honestly the new ST seems to be super awesome. Enjoy the ride!
I have a 2005 BMW r1200gs with 120.000 km on the clock. Never had issues with the bike.
Super Tenere is the best Motorcycle I ever owned. Most reliable motorcycle I ever owned.
So awesome. Everyone should love their bike. Also great to see so many people loving the ST
I have a 2010 Supertenere I'm happy, no issues. Great bike.
2015 Super Tenere ES owner. I purchased when it was 6 years old with 27k miles for $8,649. That extra $11,000 buys a lot of Rotella which I can change myself without devaluing my bike.
I can honestly afford whatever but I most appreciate reliability and second to that, value. I rode both models before I purchased. One year and 16,000 miles later and I'm certain I made the right choice for me.
So awesome! Yes and the ES model really helps so much. Great value add. Glad you are loving your bike. Ride safe!
I love my super tenere, it always gets the job done, and never disappoints ❤❤
I agree. Such a stallion of a bike
Ran my 2012 Super Tenere from the Oourey CO start of Poughkeepsie Gulch up to Engineer Pass in June. The low end power and balance the thing has made those tracts doable, popping the front end to get onto some rock shelving was pretty easy, placing wheels and mass was second nature, and it ate up the softball sized shattered rocks solidly as long as you keep a little momentum thanks to the weight just sinking you in and cutting through them. Weight was DEFINITELY felt when it went down on graded areas of trail but as long as you're moving it feels 300lbs lighter. Mine went over the edge of the trail twice and i had to recover it with ratchet straps and dumb muscle, since it was my first run there it also fell over a dozen times or so because I was stopping at obstacles to scout lines more than i needed to for safety reasons. By the time i had made it to the top i had 2 blown fork seals, no rear brakes (I wisely separated the front and rear brakes since they come junctioned from the factory), a blown pumpkin oil seal, blown shaft seal, and bashed skid plate. But all the adventure armor did it's job beautifully and i made it down the mountain in one piece as well as almost 150 miles more on fire roads and streets. (Total repair cost was about a $200 all done at home).
Is the Super Tenere built for badge of honor Jeep trails? Probably not. Can it run them hard and fast and get you home safely? Hell yes it can, and it can tank all that damage and still be ready for the road trip home. Am I going to run those trails again with it? Maybe after I snag a winch and a better life insurance policy lol.
Superten belongs to the set of time enjoyment tools that maximizes your overall quality of life minimizing your budget for it.
An ECU flash transforms the Super Tenere's motor, adding loads of grunt and smoothing it out.
I put a Booster Plug on mine and it really helped the lean mixture and snatching down low. Just plug and play with no tuning and no down time.
@@leegraves101 I put a booster plug on my 2016 Africa Twin because no flash was available. It reduced pinging and made it a little peppier, but it's no comparison to what a good flash will do for the Tenere.
What flash?
@@shawzall404 I used a flash sold by a UK company. If you're in the US, people seem happy with a flash made by Super Tenere forum member Anthony. Search there and you'll find it.
Good video. I was shopping for an adventure bike when I retired. I could afford either a 3-4 year old used Yamaha or a 10-12 year old used BMW. I chose the Super Ténéré, proceeded to ride it to Canada, Alaska, across the USA and back. Not disappointed with my decision. 50k+ miles and it’s only been to the dealership for a recall.
Thank you. Yes they are great bikes and hold up so well. Triumph is also under rated as a reliable adventure bike. The tiger lineup has been a proven work horse.
The Yamaha all blacked out looks mean also. Defiantly a great choice!
@@AmericanAbroad1 I had a Tiger 955i prior to the Ténéré, put 100k miles on the Triumph. It’s really hard to go wrong these days, just get out and enjoy the ride!
10 year ST owner here. I can't argue against the awesomeness of the GS. Excellent bike...performance...and features. I also own a 2023 BMW S1000XR. However the two things I love about the ST is the ease of maintenance and the rock solid reliability.
Both bikes have strong PROs.
Thanks for stopping by! Yeah ST really is a tank of a bike. I’d love to try a newer one and see how it compares.
The way with the centerstand is to turn off abs not tcs. TCS just hold the button and it will switch off.
I've never ridden a Super Tenere but I have a 2021 BMW GS R1250 Adventure and I love it. I'e done long touring trips on it across northern Spain ( in high winds and its planted ). It'll corner around a tight roundabout like a butterfly ( its so well balanced ) and I've done track days on it in the rain and given it the gas. If things go pear shaped in iffy conditions at high speeds you want to be on a BMW GSA ( seven days a week and twice on Sunday ). Haven't taken her off road, I have a KTM 350 exc-f for that
Thanks for the review, and especially comparing and contrasting the different year models.
I’m leaning hard toward the 2019 or newer BMW R-1250 GSA.
Still trying to figure how to pay for it, though.
Happy Trails
I love my '14 S10. A $225 flash at my local speed shop took care of any lack of low and midrange grunt while making the fueling wayyyy smoother at low speeds.
I really appreciated your insight on buying a used adv bike. Thank you.
Love my 2018 ST- ES. Very comfortable bike. Very dependable 👍
Great vid!
I have an 18 ST and chose it over the rest because of A. Great 2 up bike B. Electronic cruise C. Wind protection D. Local dealer E. Price. I didn't look at the GS because the closest dealer was an hour and a half away. I agree with you on the ST sport mode even on the 18. But several of the complaints you mentioned were fixed/added in the newer models. My only real complaint is that it is top heavy a idle or low speed.
Very fair comparison... nice job.
Thanks heaps. Both great bikes
I have gs1200 in the past maintenance is so expensive. I sell it and i brought xt1200 i was so happy with yamaha
Thus far my GS has been great and here in portugal it’s the same price to maintain.
Now I haven’t had any major issues, but it’s a dream to ride. I’m sure if something breaks it’s more expensive, but the price is worth it
Traction control on the Super Tenere is so good and unobtrusive that it rarely needs to be turned off. Rocky and slippery water crossings, power lines, deep sand and mud and I never needed to turn it off and never felt it held me back.The traction control modulates the speed of the rear wheel wheel which makes for perfect and effortless power slides trough corners. It never cuts power of (like some bikes do and will get you stuck), just perfectly modulates it for you and the degree of that "modulation" is selected by you on the dash. 2 levels; TCS1 (street) and TCS2 (Dirt). AND...for those rare occasions, PRESS and HOLD TCS for 2 seconds or longer and guess what? Traction control now is OFF.....
Totally agree. I was actually meaning to say ABS. Not TC.
I’ve been obsessing with my research for both of these machines. I’ve spent hours on forums receiving feedback and information. Your video sums up the bottom line very concisely. I wish I would have found it a few days ago. I can afford a 2014 to 16 GS or a 2018 to 21 Super 10. My journey started looking at a new Vstrom800. There happen to be a new Super10 parked a few feet away that caught my attention. I took both bikes off the stands and practiced moving them around in the dealership. To my surprise the Super 10 was actually easier to move around, even though it was a heavier bike.
I’m glad it was helpful. Yeah the super 10 is an incredible bike
Great review BTW
Thank you my friend
I just bought st1200 2012, and it's amazing. In this model it's easy to turn the traction control off. . Thanks for the compression, great video
Yes I kept saying TC but I was actually talking about turning off ABS
@@AmericanAbroad1 you can turn off abs when bike on center stand and push( think,bcs i never put off abs) killswitch or ?
It has been 10 years, two STs and no issues so far, I am allways relaxed when riding cause I am sure that I will go and will return with no troubles at all and if anything happens I am confident it will probably be fixable with an Swiss arm jackknife and ductape!😂
Nice video. What’s your thoughts on the Pan America.
I actually did a ride review on the Pan America. You can find it on my Channel. I think it’s a great bike. It doesn’t necessarily stand out in any major points, but a great first go from HD in the adventure segment.
Also, many people love the pan America
Interesting perspective. I do like the choosing by price point vs year comparison. Oddly enough my Favorite GS is a 1150 - that now has 234k miles on it. But I did just get a Tenere 700, a great bike, used for more dirt riding .. than road.
I have heard great things about the T7. Also about the 1150. I spoke to a guy that still has his 1150 today from when he bought it new. Now that’s impressive.
Agree about the 1150. I have a friend with the 1150. I like that bike, in part because it's less complicated in various ways, and seems lighter and less "bulbous" for me. Would love a T7, but for dirt really like the XR400 for its incredibly light weight and nimble trail handling.
@@guit156 Unfortunately Dirt/trails are an hour away for me. A small 250-400 on the highway - an hour each way would not work.. Hence the T7.. If I had trials closer - I agree 100% Id be on a smaller cc bike.
Never heard about the Tenere’s until last years T7. Nice to know they have been around a long time. Have a GS now but it is super heavy for anything solo off road. It also doesn’t inspire confidence in corners with it being so wide down low. I have slid on my cage once, coming from narrower sport bikes.
Im on my 4th GS and it will be my last. Over-engineered to the point of system(s) breaking down, micro switches corroding and failing and many other small system failures to be reliable. I'm buying a Tenere. Japanese bikes are waaaay more reliable.
Bought a new 2019 Super Tenere ES in 2020 for $16,500 with a 5yr warranty.
Great bike, put 40,000km on it last season.
The BMW 1250 was $33,500
So the Tenere was literally 1/2 the cost of the BMW.
The Tenere will do everything the GS will for 1/2 the money.
80% of riders who buy these bikes stay on the paved roads and aren't good enough to turn off ABS or traction control when riding off road.
If you can afford over $30k for an adventure bike then get the BMW, if your on a budget the Tenere is an amazing bang for the buck
I own a 21 model ST. A little bit noisy but feels like it'll go a million miles. Do wish it had a 7+ gallon tank.
As other mentioned to shut down the Traction control just hold a button in the dash, what you where trying is to shut down the ABS which is not option in ST, I know there is a hack, but to be honest unless you are a super off road master you won't need it, the ABS on the ST is very well tunned not very intrusive unless you really squish the lever
Super tenere traction control can be turned off just keep the TC button pushed until it turns off, the ABS turns off by putting the bike on center stand and run it in 2nd gear for 30 seconds or so. It will turn on when you cycle the key.
A fork brace may solve the tendency of the S-Tenere to dive into turns. I sort of noticed the same tendency on my FJR1300a, but then after the installation of my fork brace it was gone.
For clarity, did you install a fork brace on your FJR? I'm really considering getting one. Just test rode one and that dive was the only slight con for me. Coming from a Suzuki S750 that has no dive whatsoever, it caught me off caught a bit
@@c4t-tp238 thanks for the insight! I'm lookin at a 2013 at $7995
Very fair review of the S10 by a GS owner. Well done. Off road capabilities are understated. Turn off TC by stopping and holding the button down. GS is a great bike as long as you have the money and patience to support it. I don't. Germans, Austrians, Brits, Americans, etc., can't beat Japanese commitment to quality and value by a long shot. My S10 is a 2014 with 30k+ miles.
So true. I love the feeling of the GS, but my next bike may very well be a S10. Just love the reliability and Yamaha has done some incredible updates.
I own S10 , my friend had gs. And s10 is better for me overall. I can buy bmw gs, but constant problems turn me off. My friend sold gs and bought honda afrika. With constant problems my friend goes mad, and sold gs after 1,5 year. I still have S10. Tmax and vespa
I've been on both GS and S10.... The GS is a fun bike, but for me Its the S10 in my garage.... I have a few bikes and my ADV is my interstate tourer and bad weather commuter. In that purpose the S10 was the better choice for me, its reliable and a huge dealer network everywhere. Sure the S10 needs some work, ecu reflash, better panniers, better seat & screens for interstate touring.... But it ends up a pretty great reliable machine thatll rip twisties, no sweat touring, great commuter, and ability to explore those States you just rode 3 days to get to.... For alot less then what you'd of spent on the GS.
For sure! Also, you could totally do all those upgrades you mentioned on the S10 and still sit far less than a GS.
It’s also hard to really want to do some off-road on a 20k bike. But I do enjoy both bikes.
@@AmericanAbroad1
Yes, thats what I meant also (ahead on $$ with purchase and mods). My S10 is fully farkled with all those mods and then some more... I can honestly say from a daily So Cal rider with a few bikes (2 HDs, 2 Suzukis, KTM & the S10) if I had a garage fire I'd be at the Yamaha dealer same day with insurance check to replace the S10 first. It just does everything well and no hassle.
Enjoyed your review and trip. 👍
@@highwayman1218 Now that’s saying something. “Same day at the dealer”.
I’d like to try a new S10 and see how it stands up.
Thank you and I enjoyed the banter. Ride safe!
Had a 2009 GSA. Loved the bike but had many problems with it.. the costs goes sky high to maintain the bike. I couldn’t trust the GS anymore so i turned it in on a 2012 S10. Had to adjust in the beginning but the S10 rides like a tank. Really happy with the change and i am planning to make a lot of kilometers on the S10.
Great review and you got a sub!
Thanks you so much Sean!
Yeah I think you will be very happy with the S10. It’s a great bike for the money and easy to do lots of riding on. Ride safe and enjoy
I am looking at a used 2009 gs. What kind of problems did you encounter ?
Hi AmericanAbroad, i like your comparison video and appreciate the views you provide. But I have one question about these bikes. If you found a used yamaha st10 and used bmw r1200gs both from 2010 and with similar mileage, which one would you pick? I'm a Japanese bike fan at heart but I feel like if the prices of these 2 bike were the same I should go for the bmw.
oooooo Great question! With that age I don't like the transmission on the GS in those years. I would take the tenere.
Even though you have about 100 years of the boxer engine, I still love a Japanese bike.
@AmericanAbroad thanks for the quick reply! Yeah, I've heard that those older models were pretty clunky. Now my next question is should I save up over the next riding season and get an africa twin? Or go for an old super tenere before the start of this season? I just bought a crf450rl and love the bike but I want an adventure bike to replace my honda vtx. I'm between saving up for the at or going for the st10 earlier.
@@zeezeerhydon7083 of course man. Always love to chat here.
Iv never riden the África twin but if u love the CRF my guess is that you would love the twin. I prefer a 19” front wheel to corner a bit more on road, but I hardly ever go off road.
I would get the newest possible bike you can. So many updates over the years make for much safer bikes.
There is only one answer to this question. Do your research on the pros and cons of each and then TEST RIDE both bikes. Which one makes your heart flutter?
Simplified, BMW purchase and repair $$$$$$$$ VS Yamaha purchase and repair $$$$. I think my assessment is spot on as I own both.
Why do you own both?
good video
The profile of a Super Tenere owner is a discreet person who wants a simple and functional motorcycle; he is more than an owner, he is a motorcycle lover!
I owned a 15’ GS1200Adventure that I rode through Marrocos, south Europe e many other trips. It’s a very enjoyable and common bike that suits the purpose. I had some issues, nothing major, with the start button, the battery, the switch gear (which is really no good). Before that I had owned two tank…SuperTenere 1200, a 14’ Z and a 18’ ZE. I m so happy now because I sold my GS and bought my third SuperTenere, a 19’ 17000kms 60th anniversary Z. I missed this bike so much it’s really emotional to me. I did thousands of miles in my previous SuperTeneres with no issue whatsoever and always feeling confident in the bike, no need for more power, no need for anything else. It’s my bike and hope I can keep it for a long time and repeat all the Kms I rode in my previous S10s. For me it’s THE bike. No absurd electronics, no malfunction on the TFT (it’s LCD), no stupid unnecessary gimmicks, just an old reliable machine I can trust to be alone with in Africa and not worry. I’ve been riding for 40 years and I had hundreds of very different bikes. I sure can recognize when a machine is well build, to be reliable and dependable, and the SuperTenere is the most tank like motorcycle I’ve owned by far. I keep coming back to then! Ride safe and rubber side up. Ps: and the 2023 GS is ugly.
Man I love the ST.
I know the GS is a season for me. As I write this my bike sits alone at an ALDI because it came up with that stupid “brake light faulty. Go to your nearest dealer “ crap. 💩
It started fine this morning but someone at BMW decided this would be a great malfunction to have. Why not tell me the battery is low? Why talk vaguely about a faulty brake light.
I guess I gotta keep it charged more. I haven’t ridden in a week so there is that.
A bit frustrating that it started fine this morning, rode all around town and then it won’t start. So dumb. Missing the ST right now
@@AmericanAbroad1 I experienced lots of "WT.." in my GSA, specifically regarding low battery issues. Mostly i kept it in the BMW battery maintenance charger but nevertheless it managed to ruin two batteries in my two years of ownership. I cant say i didn't like the bike because i did and i enjoyed it a lot, but its just not the same. The ST is a tank. You never have any of that sort of issues whatsoever. Nothing is perfect but for me its important to be able to trust the bike, and even more when far away and in some locations where I know its very hard and expensive to tow the bike or difficult to repair (Africa for ex.) in a way that is enough for the bike to be ridable. Hope you can get yours running!
Currently I own an 05 GS1200 that dropped in my lap. It does not have Cruze control or riding modes.
I like big bikes and Super Tenere' interest me. Most of my riding is on pavement and some well maintained dirt roads. Im not getting rid if my GS but I may get a S10, we'll see.
Thanks for the video
Both great bikes. If I didn’t ride as much I would have an ST in the garage cause it will just run and they are way cheaper.
Thanks for your words.
You can turn traction control off only need to put it on centre stand to trick abs to turn off
The ST has a lot of bottom end torque and doesn't matter how much weight you add.
hai avvertito molto calore dal lato sinistro della ST ? Io ho un GS 2009 e sto pensando di acquistare un ST 2015'S. Grazie del tuo ottimo video
Hi there! There’s a bit of heat on the left side, but honestly I feel heat on almost every bike if you ride it long enough. KTM definitely is the hottest. BMW just a bit of heat. Triumph Tigers produces quite a bit of heat also. I would ST is one of the lesser heats.. It’s honestly a great bike and a workhorse. Great value for money.
Thanks for the comment!
2015 ES S10 owner here. Start engine and hit lower left button on screen. It will toggle between TC1, TC2 and TC Off.
Yes I was meaning ABS
Every thing you say about the T12 is spot on apart from the T C , it has 2 settings as well as off , the button is by the speedo , it’s the ABS you have to put on the stand to disable, which is a pain in the buttocks , brilliant job 👍🏼
Yeah if you see my pinned comment you can see after posting I realized I kept saying TC when I meant ABS hahahah.
Also, this was a 2015 model. Looks like you have the newer model.
I had a first generation, it was so good I got a newer one and it’s brilliant, I’ve never had a car just bikes and the T12 is my favourite bike I’ve owned , brilliant channel.. you have a new sub who’s looking forward to seeing your
Next video ( video hahaha I’m old forgive me ) 👍🏼
@@occasionalvillain7676 welcome to the fam
@AmericanAbroad1 just a FYI, you can install an on/off switch that mimics pulling the fuse to kill the ABS. To turn it back on you just turn the switch back on and cycle the key off and on again.
Bought a new 2016 Super T because of price. All of my mods- exhaust,ecu flash,suspension,crash bar etc and i was still 5k less than the bmw. I have 42,ooo miles on it and only issue ive ever had was with the cruise control.
The Tenere 700 is on my list of bikes I want to ride
I have owned a Super Tenere 2017 model since new and I have never experienced it "diving down" in cornering..? It is a very easy handling motorcycle and it handles well on tarmac (asphalt) road riding. I have owned a BMW GS 1250 Rallye as well and that is a superb bike, but mainly because of all of it's tech on board, although the 1250 engine is a peach and better than the 1200 Yam' but the Yam' always has enough performance in it for everything and the reliability of the Yam' is amazing. I've never had to put much more than fuel into it and service it.
Honestly, I feel one day if I ever turn into a weekend rider I may go to the ST1200. Just because it’s zero hassle. It’s just runs.
I completely agree with you.
You mentioned that the traction control had to be tricked to turn it off. I think you mean the anti-lock brakes. The traction control has a switch on the dash for two levels or off.
Haha yes. I changed the title to show but yes I’m meaning to say ABS.
2024 gytr tenere to the bone ❤❤
Not to top heavy?
And! There are a couple of simple upgrades that make the ST ES much more satisfying. An ECU flash is THE value in rideability and minor performance gains. Michelins (Road 6s for majority street riding, Anakees for some off-road), EBC sintered pads, lower wind deflectors. A exhaust can and K&N filter if you're so inclined (some additional power and louder). You can banish thoughts of ANY BMW. I've had too many problems with BMWs and left them for dead. The ST is an exceptional long-term, ride-anywhere bike that can easily crest 200K miles if taken care of.
Great tips here. I’m in a GS season right now and loving the bike, but some time in the future I wouldn’t mind getting a ST. Excellent bike. And Yamaha has really got that quick shifter down.
If you own or are looking at owning a 2013 to 2017 BMW GS be 100% sure the thing had the recall fix issued to fix a serious flaw involving failing front stanchion in front fork/suspension breaking. Ive owned 2 BMWs and probably never again. Currently own a Yamaha ST 1200 and love it.
Honestly I love my 2019GS and it’s been my favorite motorcycle ever!!!
Having said that. If I moved to the US again where service costs are crazy I may revert back to the ST1200. It’s a great bike and super capable
There are lots of Yamaha Super Teneres with over 200k~300K miles on it. And its owners actually use them for "Around the World" trips. BMW GS can do over 200k as well - but needs more work (but its work of love...and money). Both are good bikes, and will serve you well beyond your expectations.
Completely agree. If I wanted a completely stress free bike Tenere for sure. Although, my GS has been a great bike and been zero stress so far.
About the BMW claiming, that their bikes are lighter than others.... I looked at the data in car licence of my friends GS 1250 (2022) and guess what? The BMW has 4 kg more than my ST1200 (2012) :)
Yes you are correct.
The 1250 has added some weight. The 1200gs although was about 20lbs lighter than the ST1200.
I will say even with the added weight to the 1250 it still Carrie’s it’s weight in a way that when riding it still feels like a lighter bike.
Thanks for the connect. Ride safe!
For me it's the Yamaha because of its reliability, I just love the feeling of having number 1 reliability, I've has plenty of mates with bmw and they are a great machine but the maintenance costs and every month there was a new warning light on in the dash now that would just drive me crazy
I hear you on that! I’m even considering for a ST next time around. What year GS are your mates on?
For instance I take mine all over and only ever had a battery issue.
@AmericanAbroad1 one gs was 2009 and the other was a 2013
@@derrickmurphy9859 yeah really depends on the bike. My 2019 has been great. I have a lot of friends with GS’s and they have very little issues. In Europe it’s also very cost effective to work on the BMW.
I have a friend with a 2009 GS and he says it’s bullet proof.
I still would say the ST is far more reliable, but preformance wise I would give it to the GS
you can’t turn off the ABS… ( correction on the Traction control 😉)
Ah yes thanks for that
You can with a 40 dollar 1 hr mod.
@@guygalster4563 What's the mod?
@@PointsOnly to turn off the ABS I used a light switch mounted to the handle bars. Powered from the 3 amp circuit for the dash power source. Then switch and power source is used to trigger a relay to open a normally closed relay. Relay main power= remove a 30 amp fuse on right side of bike for abs. Solder or crimp a spade fitting on a fuse holder and put it in the hot side of the original fuse slot. Other end of the fuse holder connects to the input of the relay and the other end of the relay you route back to the downstream side of the original fuse holder and crimp or solder a spade bit the plug it in. So when you energize the switch circuit by closing the switch it energizes the relay and opens the ABS circuit so it doesn't work. To reset it open switch and it closes the ABS circuit. Now you have to turn the bike off and then back on to reset the ABS circuit.
Explained and pictures in this thread.
yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?threads/what-tenereguy-has-been-up-too.33208/
Con il bmw avevo solo problemi a volte dopo una sosta non ripartiva, ho dovuto cambiare con super tenere meno gadget elettronici ma sostanza e affidabilità
Yamaha is better, its practical, the maintenance cost is less and proven to be a reliable machine with a reasonable price. High performance bikes like BMW sure are much more faster but the expense you need to keep them that way demands that its owners should spend more money, but if you're rich and able to pay the bills then by all means, BMW will keep you satisfied.
Triumph is also a great bike. Tons of power and has the reliability of a Japanese bike. Also, very affordable on the used market.
I'm going for the 2023 BMW R1250 GSA
Go get it bro! RIGHT NOW!
As one looking at a first ADV bike and not wanting to plunk down 17-24K, the first gen. Super10's seem like an incredible value. I'd take the 2013/14 Yamaha any day over the same year KTM/BMW. They are ranging from 8-10k which is a great price point. The next gen. jumps up to 13-15K which slightly closes in on the KTM/BMW prices. (used prices)
I'm really considering about a 2013 Yamaha S10, that way I'm not too deep into one and most of the depreciation is already done.
Yeah, I really enjoyed the ST1200.
So much fun at a fraction of the price
I just located a 2015 ST ES with only 7k miles - taking the plunge!!
I just located a 2015 ST ES with only 7k miles - taking the plunge!!
I just located a 2015 ST ES with only 7k miles - taking the plunge!!
@@thebigempty_5792 ahhhhhhh yeahhhhhhh!!! Get after it!
The S10 is the bike to own and ride if you dont want hassle and breakdowns especially in the middle of long holiday trips,BMW,DUCATI and KTM all have well documented issues ,have been stranded by the road side with my friends bikes nut nothing with my 46,000 mile 2011 Superten,they aint plush just a great no hassle motorcycle,I have the funds to buy anything but choose this.
Yeah, it’s so crazy how the mindset changes from Europe to U.S.
I’m From Texas originally and all european brands have a reputation for breaking and being expensive to fix. Now the expensive pet doesn’t change, but in Europe BMW and Mercedes, for example, are considered the best as far as reliability.
I have a ton of friend with BMW motorcycles (GS in particular) who swear by the bike. Some having them for 20+ years.
My GS has had zero issues and been a great bike. Just need to maintain it and know you bike. Time will tell.
Ride safe and thanks for the comment
Yamaha super Tenere 1200 😍❤️💪🤙✊👌👌👍 THE BEST
So, BMW's break down alot? None of mine have. They are expensive to purchase? Not really , if you keep them a few years, and then resell them, your real capital cost is depreciation only. But the big GS's are a joy to ride, unlike any of the 22 other bikes I've owned.
Completely agree. I think people give it a bad name because they hate the price tag. Everyone I have known loves their GS.
Dude, best bike is that which bring you to the end of the trip and back - tenere will, GS not necessary.
Thanks for your feedback. I love both bikes. Both have taken me tons of miles and both have preformed exceptional.
@@AmericanAbroad1 well, wait until your rear shock or drive shaft fail on your GS - they always do, sooner or later.
@@robsonenduro3316 well, let’s see. Time will tell. I have many friends who have done 100k on the GS and still no issues.
I hope it doesn’t, but let’s see. Always fun experiment to try new bikes.
Tenere u can turn the tcs off
Bike has to be stopped. The abs is turned off by putting bike on center stand and running in 2nd gear.....
Yes… for some reason I kept saying TC. If you look at the chapter title I corrected it.
The Tenere all day long
I love the GS, but BMW has gone too far with the electronics. Many of the electronics should be options for the buyer...especially the keyless ignition. Unfortunately, BMW just piles the electronics on and the customer pays the price with failures that are sure to occur in the future. I have owned multiple BMW cars and while I love so much about them, the electronics are not up to the standards of the Japanese made cars, as the vehicles always seem to experience some form of electronic issues. I know you love your GS, but when you have your first issue and are faced with that extreme repair bill, your enthusiasm over the bike will diminish somewhat and reliability will become a far more valuable quality than it is for you currently. That being said, my 2013 BMW S1000rr has been fantastic and hasn't had any problems...
Well I think you nailed it on the head in the end of your statement here. Of course if people have massive repair bills on anything they own; car, motorcycle, house, their enthusiasm wanes.
But like you said your s1000rr has been great with no issues. So you, of course, love it!
I have many friends here with GS’s that swear by them. They are all over Europe and actually seen as one of the most reliable bikes around.
Of course I still think the ST1200 (with electronic suspension) will be my next bike. Bullet proof and I do hate how BMW chews through batteries
I ride local but will buy the ST... WHY?
Read RTW ride reports at ADV Rider GS vs ST.
GS guys have to carry spare rear drive bearings, ST riders carry rear drive oil for basic mantanence.
Read Radioman's RTW ride report.
BMW m/c and car are run by bean counters just like Boeing. 😅
Man I love my GS with a passion. It’s the best most incredible bike. I trust it on long trips. Here in Europe people have a deeper trust in the GS lineup and use them for many years.
BUT, I love the ST and the peace of mind is unmatched. Also they really have built a tank that just runs. I hate the BMW GS eats batteries. Never had a bike do that before. My next bike will probly be a ST. The new quick shifter from Yamaha is awesome!
I Like my 2017 tenere far better than my 2011 gs 1200...
Just couldn’t get on with the GS, or the people it attracts, so it was a Tenéré all the way.
I work a blue collar job and make 65k a year and ride a GS. It cost a arm and a leg and a arm but I have zero regrets. It puts a smile on my face every ride. Are there some snobbish gs riders ? Yeah sure. But a lot of us buy our gs used at a good deal. Love the S10 though! Looking to get one for my dad to ride with me some. Planning a trip to prudoe bay. It’s a trip for a S10. I think GS’s are reliable. Iv had 30k trouble free miles and been hard on it. But they aren’t bulletproof like a S10. The S10 is a brick shit house.
I agree. I don’t feel like I’m a douche and I love my GS.
The only bikes I don’t wave to on the road are scooters. 😂
ST is simply for motorcyclists, and GS is for gadget lovers. Share with us the costs of GS service
So in my 20k Km review of the GS I share service costs.
Honestly, they aren’t much more than service costs of any other bike of its class. Honestly it’s way cheaper if you do some yourself and on the GS it’s so easy because of the boxer engine.
@AmericanAbroad1
I'm more concerned about reviews of costs after 100,000 km. This year I did 20k km on my 20-year-old TDM 900 without any faults or breakdowns. 20k is not much
@@pawelwis7215 Fair enough. Im probly not your guy in that case. I never keep a bike that long. I always try and resell long before 100K. I want to keep current and also I want the most out of my bike as I can.
I believe at 80K a drive shaft replacement comes about and its quite expensive. If you wanna do over 100K on a bike.. Super tenere for sure.
Fair enough. I ride a motorcycle until the pistons and connecting rods come out sideways :) Which is not easy because I ride for tourism rather than sports.@@AmericanAbroad1
gs is cool but japanese like the cars are super reliable
Totally. I loved riding the new tracer. I’d like to ride a new tenere and see how it rides. Although I prefer the look of the older ST.
If you thing that gs is clunky try riding an oilhead or an airhead lmao, pulls like a tractor and shifts like one too 😁
Hahaha I bet
Ямаха конечно
Only $20K huh? Sounds like a drop in the tank for modern American street riders. lol
Haha. Yeah it’s not the cheapest bike out there for sure.
What are you riding?
12 hours ride in one day = long day 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes it was a full day of riding. Left at 3am to try and beat AUGUST heat in Texas. We were dumping 1lt bottles of cold water on ourselves and before we got on the bikes we would be dry again.
Did you know the 1300gs has the shaft replaced every 80000km and costs to the customer . No thanks.
Yeah the older GS’s get a free replacement, but not on the new ones
@@AmericanAbroad1 Madness £23000 for a bike that needs this done.
@@TheZanshen Totally agree! Of course I am a bit MAD
Pan am might be heavier.
It’s actually still 2kg lighter than a 2015 ST.
You’re MAD riding without Gloves. What part of your body do you put down 1st ?? Er Hands…….
I'm a happy 012 S10 owner. It is a very capable, reliable and comfortable machine considering its a basic model. There are a few things I wish this bike had.
1) A lower first gear.
2) A gear position indicator(dash).
3) 🤷♂️ SMH, Thats about it..
Wait,, switchable ABS👍
I've had BMW Bikes in the past,, the obscene cost of maintaining/and parts killed it for me.👎
Agree with it all. When on dirt/gravel, I sometimes wish first was lower and that 6th was just a bit taller. I also have a '12, and am a daily commuter on the T (among a couple of others, but mostly on the T), and the T is stupid reliable, easy and cheap to maintain, and the motor is generally understressed. It just goes.
The GS was obscene to maintain? Did you take it to the dealer for for everything? Parts are more expensive but maintenance for me has been the same as any other bike.
@@Dirtpoorhomesteader,, I do all my own maintenance,,
up to the point where either I don't have a specific tool, or the necessary skills for that project 🤷♂️.
The price for specific BMW parts is obscene,, and my local Euro dealer charges $149 per hr. shop labor rates.
The Yamaha is far more reliable and inexpensive to maintain imho.
@@PaydayGabeBCNV I eat my words and stand corrected. I had forgotten but many years ago I did have to buy a gs-911 which was about 450$. Without it I cant diagnose fault codes or flush my ABS pump. It has more than paid for itself several times over but yeah another 450 on top of a already expensive bike. I think BMWs gs’s are reliable give or take a few models but they are NOT bulletproof like most yamaha bikes. I can put many bikes alongside Yamaha and it will give the appearance of being more junk and or unreliable. I love my GS and have abused it at times but eventually the abuse will start to show. I will be adding a S10 to my stable at some point. They are pretty cheap used. There is also a mod to cut off abs with a switch. Low mile 2017s for 10,500ish. 😳! Also, BMW can’t seem to make a driveshaft that will last the life of the bike! The s10 driveshaft will last forever. My current GS has all the tech I want and nothing I don’t ( newer S10s have the same features minus a ride more or two) but the new BMWs have cruise control with radar, headlight that flexes left and right with turns, tft display instead of analog. A bunch of crap I don’t want that I have to pay for them you have to pay someone to fix once it breaks. No thanks!
@@Dirtpoorhomesteader,, Yup, I agree with you points.
The Beemer I had,
(01; R1100s) was a 😍Gorgeous machine. Not a lot of tech 👍. Loved it, , but it did have ABS.
Which was its Achilles heal. The pump was starting to fail and having the dealer do the replacement service was obscenely expensive 🤦♂️. More than the bike was worth.
Sadly I traded it.
💖💖💖👍👍👍👍👍 233
I got one for my wife because she said there more of a girls bike
Which one?
Video clearly made by a man who never had a BMW shit itself leaving you stranded 200 miles from the nearest BMW dealer. There is a reason that people myself included bitch about that final drive. Because if you ever had it happen to you, you will never trust a BMW again. It doesn’t matter if if it’s under warranty if you lose days of your vacation.
You are correct. If the bike wasn’t reliable for me I wouldn’t talk about how reliable it was.
So far I’ve loved the bike and it’s been solid for me. If I was in the U.S. I think I would not choose a BMW just because the lack of dealers around.
What bike are you currently on?
Update on my last comment. I spoke to some other GS owners about the comments that sometimes come up about the drive shaft crapping out. There is no service plan from BMW about lubing the drive shaft. So after 20k Km’s it’s basically metal on metal.
I would suggest every so often having your dealer lube your drive shaft or doing it yourself.
Just a bit of a tip I got and thought I would share.
ST are the best!! sorry
BMW is over rated and to expensive
Bad review. Your speaking from memory or from poorly recorded notes. You can’t state how many ride modes the Ténéré has or what they’re called. Stop watching after 5 minutes when you said the TCS can only be disabled when using the center stand trick; that’s for disabling ABS. TCS is turned off via button….
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate your point of view. Also, please see my pinned comment on the ABS TC issue. I realized I had said it wrong but already had it uploaded.
Hope u find what your looking for
Riding without gloves = CRETIN
Yes yes. I don’t ever ride without gloves. This day it was over 100degrees and we were dying. In the end my hands got really burnt. So you will all be glad to know I learned a valuable lesson.
I love my suzuko v strom. Biggest gripe is the on/off feeling throttle. A little jerky
If you want value for money you cant beat a ST. No matter how many miles or klms on it, it will still be going strong many years ahead. Its reliability, load carrying capacity and long day comfort in the saddle are all you need to make good travel memories. If youre planning on taking it on gravel roads then put offroad tires on it.
I agree. I mean I love the quality of the GS but my opinion… if you have a big shaft drive replace at 80k miles then you have to constantly been trading in to keep low miles.
With the new quick shifter on Yamahas being so great and it just being such an awesome motorcycle I might just have to get one.
Although I do love me a triumph tiger
Im waiting yamaha to put on market new adv bike in few years, till that ill stay with my S10
Yes! Yamaha is overdo for a new Big Adv bike.