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- Bring your exploding jelly babies to the Dalek Poetry Reading as we find out what a Dalek story supervised by Douglas Adams looks like in 'Destiny of the Daleks'.
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"SEEK! LOCATE! DO NOT DEVIATE!
SEEK! LOCATE! EXTERMINATE!"
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Resurrection was a far better story and really grim and gritty, same could be said for Revelations.
Logical? Perfectly!
I got say up to this point, I love that #Dalekcember intro, I think I might draw it on my drawing pad, I love this series, I in America, but I know what the Daleks are, and my favorite Dalek design is the original design: The Skaro Daleks, thank you for this series again, I love it! EX-TER-MI-NATE!
"oH lOoK, RoCkS!"
Why is that one of the few lines I remember from this story (mostly from the Tardis sequence).
Oh look Comment
Has the same energy as a Monty Python skit
@@dalek4463it really does 🤣
All those dreary gravel quarries
In 1979 Douglas Adams rewrote the script for a Dalek story.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Letting Adams rewrite the script was a terrible idea
Honeslty I'd say that Adams rewrite almost saves what would have otherwise been an incredibly dull story. It's still dull, but at least its got some funny lines now.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I was paraphrasing a line from The Restaurant at the End of the Universe. I wasn't trying to say anything against Adams.
@@frankputman7683 I did get that (though feel free not to belive me on that), but there are many who do believe Adams made the story worse when really all he did was make the best of what he had. It's not really his fault how the episode turned out.
Doctor: I’m a very dangerous fellow when I don’t know what I’m doing
Ford Prefect: You go to pieces so fast that people get hit by the shrapnel
Well, I mean, the doctor being jokey with the enemy and being honest about how dangerous they are aren't necessarily contradictory things. I think it's more in the execution than the idea.
Never underestimate the power of The Doctor's exploding Jelly Babies.
Is this the original title for 13’s final story?
At least we got City of Death following this to make up for the shortcomings.
"See our two lines of work dovetail beautifully."
9:58 For crying out loud, The bloody Cybermen had a better excuse why their robots.
If I remember correctly, Michael Wisher wasn’t able to return as Davros due to theatrical work at the time.
Seriously? Surely he would rather be Davros on one of the UKs most loved TV shows. Rather than on a stage in front of a small crowd.
@@HistoryForYouOfficial Work is work, especially if it pays well. I think you’re putting your love of the show before logic. Also, you can’t just leave a commitment to take a role you fancy.
@@HistoryForYouOfficialmaybe, but it was a prior commitment that he couldn't just drop at a moment's notice.
I still like the late Roy Skelton as the Daleks, Even if this story wasn’t great to start with ‘And I even said it before on his first review of Destiny but it bears repeating’ I still take this over Asylum.
I still don't hate Asylum of the Daleks. I get why some people don't like it and I do agree it's flawed as hell, but I enjoy the story, the atmosphere, the usual great chemistry between Matt Smith, Karen Gillan, and Arthur Darvill, and I like how the relationship between the Doctor and the Daleks is explored. I feel like how much one enjoys Asylum is entirely dependent on how much one enjoys the way the Doctor's dynamic with the Daleks is explored.
Man the Daleks are busted as hell in this.
To be fair that works since the war is causing hell for them
There are some models that have been around since 1963. Part of the reason for the darker color schemes is to hide the many, many imperfections acquired over time.
7:19 I'm pretty sure that the production crew found the Davros mask the same way Davros himself gets discovered.
9:17 Also it looks like Tom Baker and Lalla Ward just stole the Davros prop and pushed it through the studios the story was filmed in.
At 7:54 right after Davros bumps into a wall, the Dalek operator on the right also lifts its top half from its bottom very noticeably. The Daleks looked terrible all the way from Planet to when they introduced the white and gold ones and it is a huge shame because the technical shortcomings of the natty old BBC props do not do justice to their actually terrific design.
Terrible as in up until the necros daleks I still think the resurrection daleks looked good
This was the first classic who episode I watched an I bloody love it despite its ridiculousness
Self-sacrifice illogical, therefore impossible!
*Later*
Suicidal Dalek plan activate!
To be fair, the entire point of them resurrecting Davros is to enable him to help them think in ways which aren't necessarily "logical". For Davros to then order them to do something they previously considered illogical isn't a plot hole or character error, it was the plan all along.
Now THIS was special. I remember watching your 'Destiny' review countless times when it came out and since. Seeing all the jokes again was a treat! Thanks again Mr TARDIS!
Tomorrow, we examine a story so infamous that it has been forever nicknamed ‘Saward’s Slaughter’.
Major General Bunk I know it got the name from the incredibly high body count, but when did that nickname come to be used?
13:40 I can convince you that the actual Dalek rays are very good - nice nuanced blue colour and usually accurate as to where the gun is pointing!
I really wouldn't have minded if Davros had never appeared again after Genesis, to be honest.
If only! I maintain that the Daleks lost a lot of their autonomy and mystique after this serial. Undoing the cold-blooded, unflinching murder of their creator severely diminished the ferocity and capability of the Daleks. Now they just keep him around for whenever the writers feel like bringing him back. At best, he's used as a middle-man between our heroes and the Daleks, and at worst, he's the mastermind of the whole operation and the Daleks are demoted to his mindless drones.
Even though this story isn’t incredible, it did introduce the iconic Tussaud’s Dalek skirt design.
It's hard to imagine someone in the production workshop, having put all the skirt panels together in completely the wrong places, standing back to admire his work and saying "perfect", as he gazes around the workshop with half a dozen 'normal' Dalek casings all over the shop...!! 😀
I've watched this story so many time and never made the connection between the jelly babies and the explosion heard afterwards. Haha!
I'll never watch that Jelly Babies scene in the same way again lol
Another great review.
Wow, I didn`t know that Tim Barlow was deaf. This makes his performance all the praiseworthy. For some reason I took an instant liking to him.
Hey dalek!
WHAT?!
have a jelly baby.
WHY?
Because you're bent on exterminating when you're hungry .
*Dalek eats jelly baby*
"Better?"
BETTER!
And then it blows up. 😆
Classic snickers 😂😂
Yeah I know they walk into the room and Davro's is just there, no sinister music to build up tension no shock camera zoom into his face. He's just there and they're like 'Hey look, that Davro's over there.' 'Oh right yeah, I thought he died?'
Revenge of the Cybermen also turns them into "total machine creatures". They call others 'animal organisms" and say "we have enough parts in our ship to built an enteriley new Cyberarmy".
There's a lot of problems with this story, but I still love it. Maybe it's the nostalgia talking, but it's still one of my favorite Dalek stories.
I keep coming back to these reviews, I think I have a DalekCember addiction.
Fun Fact: The Davros head piece was kept, but when they got the new guy to play him, they dusted it off, cut a slit up the back to accommodate the new guy's head, & when production was finished, THEY THREW THE HEAD PIECE AWAY (cries in pain), after all that time, the BBC still hadn't learned it's lesson about not junking important TV/movie stuff!!! T____T. My hope is that someone saw it before it went to the dump & maybe saved it in a private collection....
0:44 Destiny Of The Daleks is the first story to have a Dalek facing backwards, waaay before Nu Who did it.
Perfectly acceptable story, the only bad bits are the roll cage in the Dalek bunker and Michael's mask reused for David. Otherwise EVERYTHING can be easily explained with no continuity issues at all. That includes the Dalek robot references.
I thought I was the only one who thought the roll cages were a bit odd as well as the stage lights. I was confused by that. Like, was I missing something. Glad someone else noticed that.
5:19 "yeah, it's executed a bit poorly-" ... i see what you did there...
5:16-5:19 Nice putting that Simpsons clip.
I still remember watching your previous review of Destiny and laughing at some of the jokes you used. Even though Destiny can be quite confusing it's a pretty interesting story to watch none the less.
Thanks for the reviews! This story may be the best example of why the phrase "Doctor Who Canon" is an oxymoron.
13:41 Seek Orac, Locate Orac!
There he is!
9:16 Thank you! My biggest issue with post-Genesis Davros right here
Came across one of your Dalekcember vids the other day and gotta say I rather look forward to them each day, kudos to you!!!
I watched the old review so I had an idea of what this would be like, both are good in their own way
Wait the jellybabies exploded! Remember! Wait please do remberance!
So that’s why when I watch Destiny of the Daleks, it makes me think of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Next Time: The Daleks Returns once again, Only this time it features Mr Terry Molly himself, The husband of Sarah Jane himself, And at the cost of one of the Firth Doctor’s companions.
JamesTheBrony/JTB I absolutely love Resurrection, despite its flaws
Bassmaster Van so do I.
& one of the best lines of the show “I CANT STAND THE CONFUSION IN MY MIND!!!!!”
Awwww, I wanted MrTardis to recreate his Davros chair scooting from the original review.
My theory is that the Daleks did develop fully into machines, but the drawbacks of pure logic forced them to re-introduce the organic element. The Movellans then take advantage of that by developing a virus to target the organic components of the Daleks.
This is where the Daleks really started to sound like Zippy for me. And once you hear that, it doesn't go away.
The Roy Skelton voiced Daleks just sound like Zippy to me.
I can't wait for the sequel, Density of the Daleks.
Davros: Give me a milk. Chocolate.
I've always felt drawn to defend 'Destiny' ever since the late Craig Hinton wrote a scathing review about the VHS release in the mid-90s...but as much as I love it, it is a big step down from 'Genesis'. I always thought the concept of describing the Daleks as robots was because...in this stage of their history they've numbed the inner mutant to such an extent it's just a passenger in a computer-controlled tank. As for slightly-Scottish Davros, his voice over for the recent boxset trumps anything he did in this story
I just watched the old version of this yesterday. The newer mic is nice
2:20 What are you referring to there?
I wonder what tv series from the 2000s will be still be being watched and talked about in 30 yrs.
Kids in the 70s had the best tv and best toys .i know i was one.
I think the Dalek introducion would've worked much better if the wall they burst through didn't look like it was made out of tape and laminated cardboard... and if the Dalek props didn't looked busted to Hell and back... and if they'd just shut up after the third "DO NOT MOVE"... and if it wasn't in Destiny of the Daleks...
You know what, forget I said anything -_-'
I still like it, sentimental reasons maybe (the first Dalek story I watched properly , aged 9).Supposedly Terry Nation only submitted episode one and a rough outline of episode 2 (nice work if you can get it) and Douglas Adams did the rest, which might account for the fact that it's just assumed that the Daleks are robots.
the camera work looks like bluepeter getting the daleks in the set
Wait a minute...in that "do not move" scene...you can clearly see one of the lights right next to Romana.
One of the exceptionally rare misses from Douglas Adams. At least he redeemed himself with City of Death and Shada.
Good review! You raised some interesting points.
I enjoy this story- I have done since I was very young, but with years of hindsight I feel like I can examine elements of it that may seem more relevant now.
Genesis firmly establishes that the Daleks are an allegory for the spectre of Fascism. Davros represents Fascist Leaders. I suppose one could draw vague parallels from the events of Genesis to the second world war- with ethnic genocide, vile experiments with eugenics, and a regime led by murderous scheming dictators.
I suppose in someways Destiny, in contrast, depicts the Daleks and Davros as how fascism was viewed by the "mainstream" media of the western world for a large part of the latter 20th century and into the 21st. The Daleks appear as quasi-comedic, inefficient, parroting drones; with some tonally dissonant scenes of merciless slaughter of the un-like. This sort of juxtaposition was/is common with some depictions of literal fascists within media, (be it "factual" of fiction.) Fascists, as represented in parts of the media, have often been "played for laughs," even when the same source can allude to the real horror and danger that comes with any form of fascist ideology.
The Daleks as machines remove any need for the "racial purity" aspect of their doctrine. Yet these Robot-Daleks still repeat the same old mantras of their forebearers in increasingly in-articulate ways- removed from the original immediate danger of their original context; The Daleks as machines remove any need for the "racial purity" aspect of their doctrine. Yet these Robot-Daleks still repeat the same old mantras of their forebearers in increasingly in-articulate ways- removed from the original immediate danger of their original context; much like how narratives have portrayed fascists. The Daleks in "Destiny" are mindless drones with no real structure other than catchphrases and the occasional tonally dissonant murder, these drones go to lengths to obtain the figure-head they feel the need to bring them relevance again; digging up the symbolism of arcane past, i.e Davros, now portrayed as just as obsolete and irrelevant as the "Daleks" themselves.
Four years is a long time for a Television audience. Davros, as originally portrayed was as vile and conniving as the real Fascists from history. But time had passed and the depiction of Davros in Destiny is the "Disney-fied" version of Fascists as portrayed in popular western media; he looses that insidious quality that allowed the original Davros to manipulate and control his reign of terror. This Davros is a bumbling old relic of a bygone age, with no real threat or agency. Yet within the story, the Daleks now heel to Davros' every ill-calculated whim, their sense of superiority has been replaced by internalised self-hatred and a lack of any direction or purpose-which these now Robotic-creatures project by relying on the nostalgia of genocide. This bumbling old Davros still can twist his followers into blindly bowing to an ideology that serves against their core principles- the Daleks are so mindless that with a word Davros can order them to die for him. Something the original Daleks of Genesis would *never* consider doing.
This vast misrepresentation of this core threat shouldn't work, but it employs and combines both historic and fictional tropes that have both shed light on, and totally underplayed, the real danger of fascist zeitgeist that can grow within society. it could certainly be argued that this blasé attitude towards fascism has contributed to the rise of a new generation of people being indoctrinated by the ever-emerging culture of the "Alt-Right" (the new face of fascism.) With this new context and in light of the tumultuous times we're living in, this episode seems a bit more resonant to me.
Here's the thing, if Destiny of the Daleks had been before Genesis it would work better. Its tone fits in with the prior Jon Pertwee stories quite well. However because it follows Genesis of the Daleks, it feels more shallow and backwards.
The Daleks pulling a Stone Cold right there
If we ignore what we learn in War of the Daleks; How did the Daleks know Davros was still alive after "leaving him for dead, centuries ago"?
Did they check him after shooting him in Genesis & just say "Sod it, leave him"? Not even a whole minute before that, they had killed the last remaining Kaleds, so why leave Davros alive after a botched attempt at killing kim?
If they had returned to Skaro to try and find Davros' research, but found a freshly revived Davros instead, I could understand & accept that.
But no, they were seeking Davros, specifically.
Nice throwback to one of your original videos with the exploding jelly baby :-)
Small point - the Daleks sent to blow up the Movellan ship would not be self-sacrificing. They would be following orders, which is what they did.
I have a soft spot for this story, I can even defend the "daleks are now robots" plot. The Daleks have become so reliant on logic that they have lost their organic roots and now need their creator to help find themselves again and win the war. Not to mention, the movellans look great, the location work is sweet, Gooderson is giving his all as Davros and the humour does get a laugh out of me. The Daleks however I agree suffer a lot, from a production and writing stand point, they can look tatty and lack a lot of screen presence.
Are you going to rank the episodes after completing Dalekcember?
I’m good at dalek impressions.
A really good review. Loved Romana's regeneration scene, but the show suffers a lot. I agree with the issues you raised.
The massive increase in TH-cam commercials is incredibly annoying. I may have to stop watching the series (it's that bad)
One thing I did like about Destiny was the use of steadycam and absence of music (making the weird looping background effects more prominent) which gave the story a nice atmospheric quality. I think it's a massive misconception that the background effects you hear throughout are recycled from the Hartnell Dalek stories; it's actually the sounds used for the Sea Devils' ship.
I love destiny of the daleks is my favourite tom baker daleks story from his era as the fourth doctor and it is my favourite story from series 17 of classic Dr who
Wasn't this story the last time that original 1963 dalek props were used for the most part? I could be wrong.
They originally built 4 Daleks in 1963 which were repainted and modified in the next few stories. By Day of the Daleks there were only 3 remaining, and for Planet of the Daleks they built a bunch of non-functioning wooden props to use in the background, and those were then used as extras and scrapped for parts to repair the main 3 props for the next few years.
By Destiny they were in horrible condition because of bad storage practises at the BBC but they didn't have the budget to repair them. Then in Resurrection in 1984 they had the money to fix them again and make them look decent. But it wasn't until Revelation in 1985 that they completely built new fully functional Daleks from scratch.
@@Gamer208010 slightly unrelated point, but the Daleks in the new series have a similar history of deteriorating props. If you watch The Stolen Earth carefully you'll see Daleks with slats hastily attached upside down, and my favourite bit, the dalek with the faulty eyestalk which suddenly blinks into life when saying "TORCHWOOD"
@@Gamer208010 Resurrection Daleks are still in Terrible Condition, the Difference is.... it *works* in that Story as their Awful Condition *Sells* them as the Desperate Survivors of a Catastrophic Military Loss!
To be fair, the entire point of the Daleks resurrecting Davros is to enable him to help them think in ways which aren't necessarily "logical". For Davros to then order them to do something they previously considered illogical isn't a plot hole or character error, it was the plan all along.
"Any idiot can make themselves into a robot its not special"
Saying that they’re robots implies that they don’t have a mutant inside of them and instead are just empty shells. They need Davros to get the mutants and put them inside the Daleks’ casings.
EXPLODING JELLY BABIES!
The highest audience ratings for a Dalek story? OMG. I thought the show balanced humour and horror. A problem with the Romana interrogation scene is trying to figure out what those glowing globes are supposed to be. But, for me, its the tatty state of the Dalek Cases and that is more obvious in highly lit rooms. Again, during the interrogation scene, the neck slat on the Dalek in the fore ground has clearly snapped off in storage and then there's the bolt through the head and then there's the climactic Daleks in skirts.
@@sadako24 Hahaha
Awesome Video :) hugs
I actually like this episode
Knowing what I do now about The Chase being an all-out comedy, I do think Genesis muddied the waters. There's the comedic "push the dalek over and cover its eye-stalk with mashed potatoes" style and the Nazi-themed philosophical question style. There's this weird synthesis now that I don't think works. I don't think we could have another Chase unless it was on comic relief. From now on it seems all people want is the adult-themed dalek stories. A bit of a shame.
As a reminder to all MrTardisReviews fans out there, He already talked about Destiny years ago.
Why would romana annoy fans if she was introduced today
Doctor: Shut up or i'll switch you off!!!
This story is so forgettable I clicked on this video thinking I hadn’t seen the story before and interested cause I couldn’t even remember what it was
Great review!
Season 18 was where I dropped off when filling my gaps in the Classic Series (seen most of Davison and all of the rest). Luckily it was City of Death I watched, which was fab, but the Tom Baker era does start to blend together at this point, for me at least.
1st and you have done so many brilliant reviews I think that your my favourite reviewer. So about the story 1 the da- well some of the daleks are still black and the writing is off.2 daleks breaking through walls not my cup of tea.3 davros keeps jittering about and his mask just keeps kinda .. uh.. going all over the place. And when I heard that joke about the 20 take extermination i laugh my head off!👍 so keep up the amazing work and I will do anything for another review. So.. last thoughts:5/10 well the scene with the prisoner I agree brilliant evil and well....just👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 gooderson is meh..
14:10 - 14:39 XD
Try our NEW Jelly babies, they will Blow your mind. ; p
My favorite from season 17
Even though the Movellan's may have been a good in the script, the way the costume designers chose to interpret them is ridiculous.
Sure this story is a mess and it's clear Nation and Adams were at complete odds here but damn it if I don't find it entertaining. It's not GOOD, but it's so stupid I get entertainment from it.
While I love Douglas Adams' work, I honestly think he was the wrong choice to be Script Editor.
I haven't seen Creature from the Pit but with the exception of City of Death I think season 17 as a whole is pretty weak. The comedy gets taken to the point where its difficult to take some bits seriously. JNT made a lot of questionable decisions but I think his initial aim of reigning in the comedy and bringing back credible science fiction in season 18 was a good move.
With as good a thrashing as you gave this story like you did in the old days, it makes me eagerly await the kind of punishment you’re gonna give to Asylum. Especially with how many stories have come after Asylum that made that episode even worse. Now if the Doctor used those exploding jelly babies in the Time War it might have ended sooner instead of dragging out for as long as it did.
I like Destiny of the Daleks
I love ❤️ romona 2
You did repeat a lot of what as said in your original review of this story but overall a nice analysis of the Daleks ultimate low point in the classic series
I like destiny of the daleks.
Obey obey obey obey obey obeyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!
Apart from the movelan war I don’t consider destiny of the daleks canon
I have been interrupted
Although your video was done well. I don't agree The Destiny of the Dalek was a vary good story. It did have many problems. the movement of chair and others. But the story was good
If It had had more money and a few more rewrites i recon it could have been a great story, it's a shame really
I remember watching this story at 8 years old in 1979 and loving it!!! Rather liked Romana then, can't think why!!! Watched it again a few times decades later and it really is mostly crap....time to put my nostalgia goggles on and watch it again maybe!
Well she is pretty cute.
Ss...Spack off!!!
I always guessed that the original line was "back off" but maybe Baker was starting to say something like "stay back" when he remembered the original line; and so it became "sback off!"
Perhaps he was going to say stand off, then realised they could not stand!
NOT a fan of this story.
Such a shame, especially after the awesomeness of 'Genesis of the Daleks'
I'm not a massive fan of Douglas Adams' writing either...