This might be a dumb question but do you ever actually take a shoe to 300+ miles? I see these durability estimates of 400, 500....even 600 miles and I think that's not even close to realistic. Most shoes (regardless of brand) I've ever had felt pretty dead/worn out after 300 miles
Got the new Cloudsurfer 7. First ON shoe. Have always worn Brooks and Nike. Have to say, if these hold up, it’ll be hard to go back to the others. These things are great.
My ranking: 1. Performance (50%)- how well does the shoe perform given its category 2. Comfort (25%)- how comfortable and secure is it 3. Value(20%)- cost taking performance & competitors into account 4. Aesthetics (5%)- how excited does the design make you feel
The only thing I would do is just take the price out of the scoring system. Once you give the final score then list the price and say whether or not you would buy this shoe for that price. If you would not, provide a cheaper alternative that is just as good or better.
QOD: There could be differences in importance of the levels of the ranking system depending on whether the shoe is for racing (and for what distance) or if the shoe is just for training. Speaking for myself, I am more concerned with maximizing performance on race day than comfort and the opposite for just training days. Racing: 1. Fit 2. Ride/Energy 3. Weight 4. Lockdown 5. Price 6. Upper 7. Comfort 8. Midsole 9. Outsole 10. Durability Training: 1. Price 2. Comfort 3. Fit 4. Durability 5. Ride/Energy 6. Weight 7. Upper 8. Midsole 9. Outsole 10. Lockdown
As a wide foot: 1) fit 2) ride 3) midsole 4) comfort 5) lock down 6) weight 7) upper 8) price 9) outsole 10) durability Nike, Adidas, Hoka and many others NEVER make the cut, due to toe box size. New Balance and Saucony will always be my top two choices due to that FACT.
Hi Jon - I’m flat footed and have orthotics… and bought the wide Cloudgo. I was really surprised on how this one fit for me. I had some Hoka’s before but I felt high-center in the shoe. Had some ASICS as well, but they didn’t work well for me either. Saucony or Brooks have been my normal go-to’s and now ON Cloudgo has opened a new door for me.
Most shoes: 1. Midsole overall 2. Comfort 3. Fit 4. Ride/Energy 5. Price 6. Lockdown 7. Upper overall 8. Outsole 9. Durability 10. Weight However for racing shoes this is obviously drastically different. And more specifically I mainly made this list for easy day/daily trainers
Hi Seth & the DGR Crew For me it’s Fit & then Comfort because you can have the best price or great durability or energy return but if there not comfortable or don’t fit properly you can’t use them anyway to take advantage of great energy return or bounce or durability. Thanks for asking
QD (most to least important): 1 - Comfort 2 - Ride/Energy 3 - Lockdown 4 - Weight 5 - Fit 6 - Midsole Overall 7 - Upper Overall 8 - Outsole 9 - Price 10 - Durability Aside from clear defects, I’ve never had a shoe last me less than 200-300 miles. So, durability just doesn’t factor into my considerations so much unless the shoe is clearly defect prone. For me, comfort is absolutely key. If I’m not comfortable in the shoe, why the heck do I have it on my feet? There is a ton of competition and great shoes out there. After that, it’s all about that ride and feeling throughout the run. Each category (in my ranking) impacts this feeling less and less as you go down it.
First priority would be to take the shoes to enough miles to do a proper assessment. Everything else comes after. I say that because I have changed my mind in several shoes between mile 30 and mile 100 for example (for the better and for the worse too).
In order from most important to least: 1. Upper / Midsole Overall (equally important) 2. Fit 3. comfort 4. Ride Energy return 5. weight 6. lockdown (although I would include this with fit as a category) 7. Outsole 8. Durability (while important I feel like its usually a given a shoe will last at least 300 miles) 9. Price (it matters, but the performance of the shoe comes first)
Normalizing shoe evaluation factors to be independent of each other might improve the scoring system. Prioritization effectiveness is currently limited by factor overlap. That said, here is my current prioritization: 1--Comfort (as another commenter said, if it's not comfortable, I won't wear it and none of the other factors will matter); 2--Fit (part of Comfort); 3--Ride/Energy (the shoe must "flow" well given its intended purpose); 4--Lockdown (also part of Fit and Comfort--shoe must not slip around); 5--Upper Overall (includes some of factors 1-4); 6--Midsole Overall (contributes to Comfort and Ride/Energy); 7--Weight (lighter is almost always better); 8--Outsole (rarely a differentiating factor); 9--Durability (only relevant to me if the shoe will not last 400 miles); 10--Price (because price varies over time, it should be stated as MSRP and not qualitatively evaluated. If desired, a separate "Value" factor could be added to the scoring system based on MSRP).
1. Fit 2. Midsole overall 3. Weight 4. Durability 5. Lockdown 6. Outsole 7. Ride/energy 8. Upper overall 9. Price 10. Comfort Fit is high up because I'd rather not get blisters, bruising, or nerve compression from the shoe. Midsole overall is next despite ride/energy falling to 7th. I'd rather run fast because I've strengthened my legs, not because I'm running on trampolines (I do like bounce in some shoes, just not all). Durability is important though, I don't like throwing shoes away.
I just got my first pair. Day 1 they got stinky just walking. I have never had smelly feet in my life. They are also not very comfortable. will be returning them and getting Hoka.
Qd. Durability, Price, Weight, Lockdown, Ride/ energy, Comfort, Outsole, Upper overall, Midsole overall, Fit. If you were somehow able to ask this in a spreadsheet you could get averages and Weight each of these according to your subscribers options.
The Cloudmonster is great, but I did feel like the upper stretched out rather quickly. I didn’t get as many miles out of them as I would have liked. The ride felt “dead” after a little over 100 miles. Did anyone else experience this?
I’m close to 200 on mine. One lateral rear patch the outsole is worn though but it’s not affecting the ride. However, I’m very lightweight. Upper is still like new. Still bouncy for me!
QD: I know you had your comments on the scoring system. I would say: Dont let anybody tell you how to do your scoring system! It's yours, you developed it. And it works well in my opinion.
@@aj8580 Yes , the CloudMonster can do 13+. I’ve ran a half marathon in them but felt like I could go further. I’ve got two pair. That’s how much I like them. Not to soft or to firm. Just right for me. It’s got a nice little spring to them. Just make sure to buy somewhere that has free returns like running warehouse just in case they don’t work for you.
This QOD could be opening up a can of worms! Some categories are subjective and may differ from person to person. (i.e. Fit - depending on the shape of your foot, or Midsole - depending on your weight or footstrike). Others categories are more objective yet may differ from shoe to shoe based on use. (i.e. low weight, low durability & high price may be an acceptable - or even preferable - combination for a race day shoe but the exact opposite should earn higher scores for a daily workhorse.) Which is a long way of saying, how much I care about each category really depends on what I will use the shoe for… sprinkled with a dash of understanding how you and I are different runners.
ON shoe buyers: 1-Rich 2-Rich wannabe 3-Rich look They all have one thing in common, they do not care about midsole/lockdown/energy return etc... I bought only one ON shoes pair and it was a terrible mistake.
On shoes work very well for me and are the only brand of running shoes I will buy. Took awhile for me to find a brand that works for me. Worth the expense for the comfort.
@@aj8580 I have no words if you are satisfied. I have just not come cross much lads who are really like these shoes. To me and for many others are just day light robbery. But enjoy the comfort if they are the only shoes which fit your feet.
Found this a little late - been looking out for Cloudgo reviews too! I've been a big fan of On and worn their shoes almost exclusively for the last four years. I've been a staunch advocate of theirs to pretty much anyone who'll listen, but over the last month or so my enthusiasm has waned for one reason or another. Previously I would have said that the Cloudflow was my favourite as a great all-rounder, but recently I've changed my mind and it's gone from being "very good at everything" to "not quite good enough at anything" - not cushioned enough for long runs, not fast enough for races, not durable enough to make it a good value purchase.
In my opinion if it doesn’t feel good on your foot it doesn’t matter how durable it is cuz you’re not going to want to wear it. Comfort is a must.
100%
Thank you for asking for feedback. Now to see if it will be implemented.
What’s the feedback?
@@SethJamesDeMoor hmmm… I guess that answers that. In one ear out the other.
This might be a dumb question but do you ever actually take a shoe to 300+ miles? I see these durability estimates of 400, 500....even 600 miles and I think that's not even close to realistic. Most shoes (regardless of brand) I've ever had felt pretty dead/worn out after 300 miles
I think the EVO Speedgoat is the only one that’s been over 300 miles
Got the new Cloudsurfer 7. First ON shoe. Have always worn Brooks and Nike. Have to say, if these hold up, it’ll be hard to go back to the others. These things are great.
I agree with this I have always worn adidas and now I'm questioning my options after trying the new cloudsurfer. They feel amazing so far
Not a diehard on fan however the cloudmonster has been my go to daily trainer and is perfect for me
I’ve really enjoyed the Cloudmonster as well--for easy runs, even quite long, but also with fast segments built in.
My ranking:
1. Performance (50%)- how well does the shoe perform given its category
2. Comfort (25%)- how comfortable and secure is it
3. Value(20%)- cost taking performance & competitors into account
4. Aesthetics (5%)- how excited does the design make you feel
The only thing I would do is just take the price out of the scoring system. Once you give the final score then list the price and say whether or not you would buy this shoe for that price. If you would not, provide a cheaper alternative that is just as good or better.
Durability should definitely be last, how can you predict it? Too many variables, surface you run on, weight of the runners, gait etc.
QOD: There could be differences in importance of the levels of the ranking system depending on whether the shoe is for racing (and for what distance) or if the shoe is just for training. Speaking for myself, I am more concerned with maximizing performance on race day than comfort and the opposite for just training days.
Racing:
1. Fit
2. Ride/Energy
3. Weight
4. Lockdown
5. Price
6. Upper
7. Comfort
8. Midsole
9. Outsole
10. Durability
Training:
1. Price
2. Comfort
3. Fit
4. Durability
5. Ride/Energy
6. Weight
7. Upper
8. Midsole
9. Outsole
10. Lockdown
As a wide foot: 1) fit 2) ride 3) midsole 4) comfort 5) lock down 6) weight 7) upper 8) price 9) outsole 10) durability
Nike, Adidas, Hoka and many others NEVER make the cut, due to toe box size. New Balance and Saucony will always be my top two choices due to that FACT.
Hi Jon - I’m flat footed and have orthotics… and bought the wide Cloudgo. I was really surprised on how this one fit for me. I had some Hoka’s before but I felt high-center in the shoe. Had some ASICS as well, but they didn’t work well for me either. Saucony or Brooks have been my normal go-to’s and now ON Cloudgo has opened a new door for me.
Most shoes:
1. Midsole overall
2. Comfort
3. Fit
4. Ride/Energy
5. Price
6. Lockdown
7. Upper overall
8. Outsole
9. Durability
10. Weight
However for racing shoes this is obviously drastically different. And more specifically I mainly made this list for easy day/daily trainers
1. Midsole overall
2. Ride/energy return
3. Price
4. Comfort
5. Upper overall
6. Lockdown
7. Fit
8. Outsole
9. Weight
10. Durability
1. Fit
2. Ride/energy
3. Weight
4. Comfort
5. Midsole
6. Upper
7. Outsole
8. Lockdown
9. Durability
10. Price
Hi Seth & the DGR Crew
For me it’s Fit & then Comfort because you can have the best price or great durability or energy return but if there not comfortable or don’t fit properly you can’t use them anyway to take advantage of great energy return or bounce or durability.
Thanks for asking
QD (most to least important):
1 - Comfort
2 - Ride/Energy
3 - Lockdown
4 - Weight
5 - Fit
6 - Midsole Overall
7 - Upper Overall
8 - Outsole
9 - Price
10 - Durability
Aside from clear defects, I’ve never had a shoe last me less than 200-300 miles. So, durability just doesn’t factor into my considerations so much unless the shoe is clearly defect prone.
For me, comfort is absolutely key. If I’m not comfortable in the shoe, why the heck do I have it on my feet? There is a ton of competition and great shoes out there.
After that, it’s all about that ride and feeling throughout the run. Each category (in my ranking) impacts this feeling less and less as you go down it.
First priority would be to take the shoes to enough miles to do a proper assessment. Everything else comes after. I say that because I have changed my mind in several shoes between mile 30 and mile 100 for example (for the better and for the worse too).
In order from most important to least: 1. Upper / Midsole Overall (equally important) 2. Fit 3. comfort 4. Ride Energy return 5. weight 6. lockdown (although I would include this with fit as a category) 7. Outsole 8. Durability (while important I feel like its usually a given a shoe will last at least 300 miles) 9. Price (it matters, but the performance of the shoe comes first)
Normalizing shoe evaluation factors to be independent of each other might improve the scoring system. Prioritization effectiveness is currently limited by factor overlap. That said, here is my current prioritization: 1--Comfort (as another commenter said, if it's not comfortable, I won't wear it and none of the other factors will matter); 2--Fit (part of Comfort); 3--Ride/Energy (the shoe must "flow" well given its intended purpose); 4--Lockdown (also part of Fit and Comfort--shoe must not slip around); 5--Upper Overall (includes some of factors 1-4); 6--Midsole Overall (contributes to Comfort and Ride/Energy); 7--Weight (lighter is almost always better); 8--Outsole (rarely a differentiating factor); 9--Durability (only relevant to me if the shoe will not last 400 miles); 10--Price (because price varies over time, it should be stated as MSRP and not qualitatively evaluated. If desired, a separate "Value" factor could be added to the scoring system based on MSRP).
1-Comfort/Fit 2-Ride/Energy 3- Midsole 4- outsole (trail shoes). All other categories are somewhat less important to me.
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1. Fit
2. Midsole overall
3. Weight
4. Durability
5. Lockdown
6. Outsole
7. Ride/energy
8. Upper overall
9. Price
10. Comfort
Fit is high up because I'd rather not get blisters, bruising, or nerve compression from the shoe. Midsole overall is next despite ride/energy falling to 7th. I'd rather run fast because I've strengthened my legs, not because I'm running on trampolines (I do like bounce in some shoes, just not all). Durability is important though, I don't like throwing shoes away.
I just got my first pair. Day 1 they got stinky just walking. I have never had smelly feet in my life. They are also not very comfortable. will be returning them and getting Hoka.
Qd. Durability, Price, Weight, Lockdown, Ride/ energy, Comfort, Outsole, Upper overall, Midsole overall, Fit.
If you were somehow able to ask this in a spreadsheet you could get averages and Weight each of these according to your subscribers options.
1) ride/energgy return 2) Midsole overall 3) comfort 4) weight 5) lockdown 6) fit 7) outsole 8) price 9) durability 10) fit
The Cloudmonster is great, but I did feel like the upper stretched out rather quickly. I didn’t get as many miles out of them as I would have liked. The ride felt “dead” after a little over 100 miles. Did anyone else experience this?
I’m close to 200 on mine. One lateral rear patch the outsole is worn though but it’s not affecting the ride. However, I’m very lightweight. Upper is still like new. Still bouncy for me!
big ON fan!!! cloudflow is my favorite one
Good evening
:Qod: My priority list for running shoes
Outsole
Weight
Energy return
Confort
Price
Midsole overall
Lockdown
Upper overall
Durability
Fit
the energy return is awful and the front area under toes has little cushion. of coarse they are horrible in snow and on muddy runs
Cloudsurfer is my fav 100%
Peg turbo nature at sometime in the future? Big fan of the old peg turbos but at skeptical of the new one
QD: I know you had your comments on the scoring system. I would say: Dont let anybody tell you how to do your scoring system! It's yours, you developed it. And it works well in my opinion.
Yep, I love the Cloudgo along with the Cloudmonster. Cloudgo is a great up until 7-10 miles.
Have you taken the cloudmonster on any long runs? If so, how did they feel? I’ve been looking for a shoe for 13+ mile runs
@@aj8580 Yes , the CloudMonster can do 13+. I’ve ran a half marathon in them but felt like I could go further. I’ve got two pair. That’s how much I like them. Not to soft or to firm. Just right for me. It’s got a nice little spring to them. Just make sure to buy somewhere that has free returns like running warehouse just in case they don’t work for you.
@@itsahardmuttlife9263 good to know, thanks! I ordered a pair from Roadrunner sports and just waiting for them to ship
My favorite Cloud shoe is the Surfer 7
QD: 1. ride/energy 2. midsole 3. comfort 4. lockdown 5. price 6. weight 7. fit 8. durability 9. upper 10. outsole
QD: 1. Fit
2. Comfort
3. Lockdown
4. Ride
5. Durability
6. Price
7. Outsole
8. Midsole
9. Upper
10. Weight
QD:
1. Midsole overall
2. Ride/energy return
3. Lockdown
4. Upper overall
5. Fit
6. Outsole
7. Comfort
8. Weight
9. Durability
10. Price
not having rubber where the ball of the foot is makes this a walking shoe only to me, or treadmill shoe ;)
Good morning everyone
for walking ok?
:QD:
1. Midsole
2. Comfort
3. Ride/energy
4. Weight
5. Upper
6. Fit
7. Outsole
8. Ride/energy
9. Price
10. Durability
The cloud ace is the best on shoe of all time. 💯
I really like On stuff, but for the prices, the heel counter durability is terrible.
Would love to see you try revolution race shoes
Please make review on arc racer shoe
This QOD could be opening up a can of worms!
Some categories are subjective and may differ from person to person. (i.e. Fit - depending on the shape of your foot, or Midsole - depending on your weight or footstrike).
Others categories are more objective yet may differ from shoe to shoe based on use. (i.e. low weight, low durability & high price may be an acceptable - or even preferable - combination for a race day shoe but the exact opposite should earn higher scores for a daily workhorse.)
Which is a long way of saying, how much I care about each category really depends on what I will use the shoe for… sprinkled with a dash of understanding how you and I are different runners.
ON shoe buyers:
1-Rich
2-Rich wannabe
3-Rich look
They all have one thing in common, they do not care about midsole/lockdown/energy return etc...
I bought only one ON shoes pair and it was a terrible mistake.
On shoes work very well for me and are the only brand of running shoes I will buy. Took awhile for me to find a brand that works for me. Worth the expense for the comfort.
@@aj8580 I have no words if you are satisfied. I have just not come cross much lads who are really like these shoes. To me and for many others are just day light robbery. But enjoy the comfort if they are the only shoes which fit your feet.
the energy return is awful and the front area under toes has little cushion. of corse they are horrible in snow
On = Off, for me at least. Not a running shoe for me, but okay for walking around at the mall.
Quite comfortable shoe…
Found this a little late - been looking out for Cloudgo reviews too! I've been a big fan of On and worn their shoes almost exclusively for the last four years. I've been a staunch advocate of theirs to pretty much anyone who'll listen, but over the last month or so my enthusiasm has waned for one reason or another.
Previously I would have said that the Cloudflow was my favourite as a great all-rounder, but recently I've changed my mind and it's gone from being "very good at everything" to "not quite good enough at anything" - not cushioned enough for long runs, not fast enough for races, not durable enough to make it a good value purchase.
NO ON 4 me
Hoka
2nd
first
1. Ride 2. Midsole 3. Outsole 4. Fit 5. Comfort 6. Upper 7. Weight 8. Lockdown 9. Price 10. Durability
1. Comfort (Fit is part of comfort